Catalog and Generals ruined 4chan

>>601167
I live off the catalog tho, I havn't used the index option in ages


Anyways, someone will just make a plugin to give people a catalog view anyways so it wont go away

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Way to fill the "OP is a faggot" stereotype, op. You faggot.

Pretty sure Moot loved the catalog seeing how it doesn't make retards bump their threads as soon as it hits page 2 or 3.

>This site was never meant to be a forum but we are getting closer and closer to this reality.
Generals at chatrooms. It's disgusting.

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>>601175
It would help against the new users/posters coming to this site or mobile users.

>>601191
moot was very against the catalog being implemented but most of the 4chan community was for it and pressured him into adding it.

Catalog really isn't a bad feature, but it destroys what this site stands for and leads away to board culture such as generals, etc.

>>601167
Whatever, faggot.

>>601277
>it destroys what this site stands
How is that exactly?

>>601191
>>601277
There's a simple solution to both of those issues.

Remove the catalog, and replace it with a "board watcher" which shows only new threads made on a board since you last checked.
Then people don't need to bump their thread from page 2 to get attention because everyone who regularly browses the board will already be aware that you've made that thread.

The first time you refresh the board watcher after a long period of time has passed it would essentially be like viewing the catalog since it'll contain everything. Then you either choose to watch those threads or not. Other than that to see what current activity is going on you would just have to use the front page.

>>601324
If you must ask this, then you have not been using this site long enough.

Catalog allowed users to view all threads at once which enforces favoritism and selective choice. This lead to generals being created.

So fast-forward to today, instead of decent content being posted we are left with general threads that usually lack any quality and are bumped with porn or memes. Many generals run out of decent commentary or interesting topics since everything that can be commentated on is run into the ground endless amounts of times.

Like I mentioned, the idea of catalog isn't bad, but for this site it is damaging. This site was created for the purpose of posting whatever you like as anonymous. Forums were the exact opposite to this idea but with the decline of forums as a whole everything has become very gray. It doesn't help that more people are using the internet without a clue of 4chan culture, let alone internet culture.

As said, moot really was not for generals as he knew this was not what 4chan was about and could easily foresee what it would lead to: mini forum-like threads being created in each board. Take any general you can find on 4chan and you will see why it is so bad.

Examples:

>>>/jp/15588831
>>>/a/144709272
>>>/co/84836553
>>>/pol/82791155
>>>/lgbt/6619894
>>>/vg/149630824
>>>/c/2711789

>>601191
>Pretty sure Moot loved the catalog
Pretty sure m00t is a massive faggot who sold this site to a criminal known for selling user data to political parties for incrimination that was used as a fulcrum for blackmail.

His opinion is fucking irrelevant.

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>>601167
>(x) ruined 4chan waaaah! :(
You can fill in the x with anything.

>reddit ruined 4chan
>/pol/ ruined 4chan
>normies ruined 4chan
>adblock ruined 4chan
>4chan ruined 4chan
And so on.

>>601390
Damn son look at that time stamp

>>601428
>fredposting ruined 4chan

>>601428
but normies did ruine 4chan, they're the reasona dblock, reddit and 4chan exhist

>>601191
>Moot
>M
>>601391
>m00t

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i wish [Archvie] would have a catalog.

>>601471
I just wish the archive had the search feature

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>>601390
>general on /c/
Makes no sense but alright.

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>>601167
Catalog is easier to navigate. On the left you have default view, on the right, catalog.

>This site was never meant to be a forum but we are getting closer and closer to this reality.
Go look at posts from as far back as 2004 and you'll see a lot of namefagging, tripfagging, and actual discussion that resembles forum posting. And to the faggots that say make a board watcher, we already have F5 + the built-in thread watcher.

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>>601390
>complains about generals on /vg/ and /c/

what cognitive dissorder do you suffer from exactly?

>>601167
It's turtles all the way down. Every feature requires another feature. You might as well say "English" ruined 4chan.

>>601613
/vg/ itself is literal garbage. There is no reason not to dislike it. /v/ would probably be better without it.

If people want a forum they should go to one instead of 4chan. Or they can use Leddit.

>>601496
>>601613
It was linked because it's one example of what most generals become on this site i.e. lewd waifu posting when there is nothing else to contribute. It makes sense since it is /c/, but any other board does not need this at all. Shitposting, non-4chan memes and rehashed garbage are also crap that comes with generals.

>>601437
>m00t
Lurk moar, newfag.

>>601428
This is a stupid comment. Changing the actual structure of a site can ruin it. Having all threads be viewable at once and implementing generals changed 4chan culture for the worse.

>>601505
Yes we all know tripfags were cancer in the past. Thank god it's simmered down. I'm not saying there wasn't ever issues with posters and content in the past but generals have taken over some boards, if not the entire site.

>Catalog is easier to navigate.

No shit, dude. This is why it was implemented, but the repercussions are the issue at hand. Being able to see every thread on one page lead to favoritism and the creation of generals. The concept of posting an individual food-for-thought thread that isn't entirely tied down to one thing is becoming rarer. The index allows for the random nature of what 4chan is known for but the catalog destroyed this. 4chan culture was changed.

>>601685
answer the question

what cognitive dissorder do you suffer from exactly?

shove your sikrit klub elitism up your arse you fucking newfag.

>>601277
>moot was very against the catalog being implemented but most of the 4chan community was for it and pressured him into adding it.

History is easy when you get to just make shit up

>>601689
Why is it that spelling being used so much lately?
and why do I also see people accusing them of being newfags for it? What about that spelling makes you think they're newfags?

>>601390
If you don't like something then just ignore it. If you want to post something on-topic then just do it.
Stop creating imaginary problems. Nobody forces you to participate in threads you don't like. Don't force your retarded views of "I just want to F5 the front page all day long to catch random threads where I can potentially drop a random shitpost and forget about it".

If it's off-topic, then let mods handle it. You don't need to tell people how they should post or browse this site, because just like you said "This site was created for the purpose of posting whatever you like as anonymous." (except it's not really "whatever you like", you know that right?).

The catalog helps me to report threads easily. It's an invaluable tool on fast boards. I don't even like generals.

>>601428
>Internet ruined 4chan!

I wouldn't be surprised if OP turns out to be a fa/tg/uy. I say this because the no-fun-allowed variety of anons in there always sperg about the quests, and every time they get btfo when someone talks about the catalogue and disolves their imaginary problems about having too many quest threads on the front page.

It was just a question of time, honestly.

>>601167
>remove catalog
>mods and jannies now loss 50% of their accuracy
I support this change

>no catalog
>BUMP
>BUMP
>BBBBUMP
>BUMPARINOO
total fucking cancer

>>601167
You seem to forget that we live in an age where threads go of the front page on the fast boards in second. People would constantly be bumping their threads in hopes of discussion. And you complain about boards like /c/ and /vg/ destroying 4chan culture when they're containment boards in first place. If you want less generals, either ban them completly(bad idea, people will just make them anyway) or add more board like /vg/ for generals.

>>601167
Actually he said something interesting in his final Q&A; basically, it's become incredibly easy to post on 4chan. Almost too easy, since people can fire off a crummy chatroom-tier post.

What needs to happen is that reply timers need to be significantly increased on faster boards, possibly the rest too. No one really needs to reply once every minute. A longer timer means people have more time to think about and write out what they're going to post.

Unfortunately, this would work, so it probably will never be implemented.

>>601175
Most of the plugins run off the json api, they're already set up to ignore removing the catalogue.

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>Complaining about the catalog
What's next?
>Themes ruined 4chan
>Webms ruined 4chan
>GIFs ruined 4chan
>Images ruined 4chan
>Quoting ruined 4chan
>Greentexting ruined 4chan

>>601167
Fuck off.
Removing the catalog will be the death of slower threads.

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>>601692
>Being able to see every thread on one page lead to favoritism and the creation of generals.
I would rather have that instead of the mindless BUMP BUMP BUMP or bump girl posting to get back to page 1 of the board. On fast boards like /v/ generals are rare and usually based on the flavor of the month, while on /pol/ generals and regular threads somehow manage to balance themselves out. If you want threads to stick around longer simply increase the thread creation limit so they don't get archived so quickly. You're complaining about a whole lot of nothing.

This is probably the worst thread I've ever seen on /qa/. Never have I seen a more retarded idea than this.

>>601880
memes ruined 4chan

>>602139
Well, I mean that one's kind of true. Just look at /tv/

>>601277
> mobile users.
Overchan on Android can display all threads at once too. The function is called catalog, but it's like a regular thread list, only longer. Search function is included too, so you can find every /general/.

When the catalog was added, I was so fucking glad. It was like all my prayers were answered. What's not to love? The majority of good threads can be distinguished by looking at just the OP anyway, it's not like the last few posts ever really make or break a thread. Catalog is much more efficient.

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>>601390
>Catalog allowed users to view all threads at once which enforces favoritism and selective choice. This lead to generals being created.
On the other hand you might see a thread in the catalog that got only little replies but actually deserves more.

What happens when there's no catalog? The more replies a thread gets per minute, the likelier it is that it is on page 1. And also the more people see the thread on page 1 the more lurkers this thread gets. The more lurkers, the more postings. The thread that deserves more replies has not much chance.

>>601745
At least on Overchan you can hide threads automatically. Go to preferences/advanced/autohide to create a new rule. Pic related is an example. You have to use a regular expression:
^\/(general1|general2)\/
The whole thing does this: If on 4chan.org on board /qa/ a message is posted with a subject or a text that starts with /general1/ or with /general2/ the message will be hidden.

>>602134
Then you're probably relatively new, or have been living under a rock or something.

I'm not saying that because you don't like the idea. I'm saying that because you imply this idea is new to you. Generals have always been hated by a fairly large percentage of the users. I remember quickly figuring that out when I first used the site in 2008 or so, so it's hardly new.

As for removing the catalog, that idea has also been suggested tons of times long before /qa/ even existed.

>>602218
>On the other hand you might see a thread in the catalog that got only little replies but actually deserves more.

No thread deserves replies. A thread gets replies if anons are interested. If there is no interest, you can't force people to post in it. Simple as that.

>>601390
>Catalog allowed users to view all threads at once which enforces favoritism and selective choice.

Huh, I never really thought of that. Might explain the lack of randomness on /b/ i've noticed over the last few years. now its just the same shit over and over

>>602431
That's a strawman. With deserve replies I mean that it is interesting to some anons. I mostly use the catalog because too often nothing interesting is among the first threads. Sometimes I "revive" an old thread; I post a reply and lots of other replies follow.

>>602433
I think its value depends on the board. Before the catalog, /v/ was infested by generals and other high-bumping threads about flavor-of-the-month games. Having a catalog let you see something else for a change.

>>601167

>It has been said that the generals found on 4chan are the cancer of this site. This is true, however this would never have occurred if the catalog option wasn't created in the first place.
The catalog feature has nothing to do whith generals being created, futaba has a catalog option and they dont have generals.

>The only solution at this point is to remove the catalog option from 4chan. Generals will naturally fade due to this change.
Generals move fast i see lots of generals in the first page of the boards i visit, the catalog makes easy to ignore these threads.

>>601692
>Being able to see every thread on one page lead to favoritism and the creation of generals.
In text boards you can see all threads in one page and yet these never had generals.

>>602433
What is random actually? To me random means I go to random.org, get random characters and post them. As soon as it isn't something like
>WPEOYBDMLIFNUCJFJHBVKJZLHOLOFDYNBSSYBTFADLCOEIGVLVLCKBLVDBSCRRFODJVBRZBWWGIVCPYGQCREXLZHPNJNXKGXKIOC
then it isn't random. Since I've never seen this on /b/ to me /b/ is not random.

>>601167
>I want to shitpost in random threads rather than being able to find something interesting for me
>>>/b/

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>>601167
I've seen a lot of stupid shit on /q/, but this is by far the stupidest.
It's like you want people to be angry little bitches again instead of contributing to things they actually like. Next you'll ask to remove auto noko.

>>603352
>It's like you want people to be angry little bitches again instead of contributing to things they actually like
What do you mean by this? That people will just comment in every thread they see on the front page like "this is shit" because there's no catalog to help them find things they would actually like instead?

That's a valid concern, but I think more interestingly a lot of people will just stop browsing certain boards altogether.

Take /a/ for example. The catalog makes it extremely accessible for anyone to just pick up 1 anime for the first time and then start frequenting threads about that anime and call themselves an /a/ user after a few weeks or so.
Without a catalog those people would be seeing tons of threads they know nothing about and would be naturally driven to lurking a lot more or just not using the board altogether.

You CAN'T remove generals, because they're frustrating but the most effective solution to singular topics approaching mass saturation.

A general is a recurring thread. Generals reliably hit bump limit, and then spawn a new thread continuously because the particular topic is simply so popular the thread is constantly maintaining the maximum amount of traffic at all times of the day.

Forbidding generals won't just arbitrarily make those same topics go away or slow down their traffic. Without generals, those same specific topics, which have a disproportionately huge amount of traffic compared to the rest of the topics on the board, would instead have upwards of 10-20 threads on the board and some of them would hit bump limit and spawn new recurring threads anyway.

The alternative to generals is a popular topic having four or five generals instead, they just aren't named generals. It's literally an unsolvable problem, it's one game or movie or anime etc being so popular in contrast to all the others that it hogs the board and chokes out smaller threads. Generals are merely forcing duplicate threads to be condensed into one for the sake of board space.

>>603464
But if a topic had two threads instead of one you've split each individual thread's traffic in half.

>>603352
>rwby tumblr art faggotry
You shouldn't even have a say in this topic, fucking cancer.

Ahem, pretty sure generals popped first and then the catalog came, there were 3rd party catalogs before 4chan had one. I think that it made generals more accessible but what truly made generals stronger what really feed them was the increase of image limit and bump limit this made it more easy for a thread to survive for long even when the userbase increased.

I think both changes made 4chan browsing comfier, I mean, if they had kept the original limit popular boards would feel like "/b/ fast" with threads not lasting more than 30 secs making discussion hard.

I understand your point OP these changes to fit the new userbase made 4chan culture and style of posting change maybe in the wrong direction, afterall, some general if not most can end up with its own community and feel separated from the board is in, even making anonymity fade away as users that frequent it become more familiar with each other, often creating unncessary drama the likes you will find on twitter or youtube which is pretty toxic. Futhermore, Generals should've been restricted ealier forcing them to just spawning a day or two in a week, not sure if these changes can still be forced without a possible shitstorm, but I think is a better step than trying to completely eliminate them.

>>601390
>linking /vg/
So do you want that board deleting altogether or...?