I'm done I'm absolutely 100% fucking done

>soydemons

he's right about that though

Soy is like Satan incarnate.

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>>61067100
Yeah, nice one, "resisting capitalism"...

With that expensive brand new Iphone 6... Wearing designer clothing and sharing your disdain for Capitalism on a website privately owned by Capitalists.

>>61067203
it's not as if one has any other choice but to participate in capitalist society.

Nothing wrong with art, dude. I don't see why someone's opinion makes you mad. Do what you enjoy for a living and leave others to do what they want. Simple as that.

>>61067138
Soy is fucking delicious. I am not a vegan or some shit, but I love edamame and tofu, and eat it often with steak.

Yeah it contains estrogen or whatever, but I have enough testosterone to overpower that.

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>getting upset over the opinion of a literal who
Do you realise Twitter is the official platform for unpopular opinions?

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>ALSO MUSICIANS ARE HIGHLY IMPORTANT FOR THINGS LIKE MENTAL HEALTH ETC

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>>61067100

> arts-based careers

>>61067305
>"Importance" is subjective

Can you fucking make this shit up?

>>61067100
>OH SNAP SON, LEMME ME CURE YOUR LYMPHOMA BY WITH THIS FINGER PAINTING SENPAI

>>61067264
>>61067279
>People telling people not to get mad
There's something which I kinda just hate about this kind of logic. Sure, you know, hugs and kisses, but the kid who tweeted this is literal spread degenerative thought.

Degenerative thought must be destroyed.

>>61067335

"We are building a dictatorship of relativism", you declared in your homily at the opening of the conclave [in 2005], "that does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate standard consists solely of one's own ego and desires."

Pope Benedict XVI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY
>art

>>61067253
>i dont have a choice
>guess i'll just indulge

>>61067253
Right, fucking oppressor parents forcing allowance on you. You have no choice but to indulge in consumerism.

art is more than just paintings and pictures. read about the romantics period. art is philosophy and a way of life.

art is definitely as important as science. don't let jewish degenerate art confuse you on what art is

>>61067100
You have cancer but I won't just tell you

Il express it through the medium of DANCE!!!

>>61067314
you study art for years then come up with that..

art is the future

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I paint paintings for a living and I want to strangle these fags

It's not the health of society or any of that shit, we just want to entertain rich people so we can eat, it's not that fucking complicated

Anybody who believes art is more important than science should be shot in the head

>>61067479
>Arts based careers
One can easily practice philosophy and teach successor generations, but is seriously an entire career dedicated to producing products which produces no material value worth it?

>>61067100
Art is fine.
DUDE WEED modern art students are not.

>>61067100
Let's send a painting to ISIS to make them stop

>>61067100
>be an artist
>hate capitalism

pick one

>>61067305
Reminder:
In a STEM world there is no "Mental" "issues".

Why is it always upper middle class people supporting socialism/communism

I knew a guy who lived in a 3 story house in an allwhite, upper middleclass neighbourhood who identifyed himself as a communist

I've never kekked harder

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You need a background in science to make great art.

A sculptor knows bits of geology. A CGI illustrator knows bits of computer science.

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>>61067305
How can you say musicians aren't important? It's 2016, man.

>>61067100
As a historian I can't agree with this idiot.

>>61067479
That is why the market provides supplies so cheaply that anyone can engage in creating art. You don't need to fund that shit with tax money or have subsidies for arts-based careers.

>>61067551
>art produces no material of value

what is architecture. what is philosophy. what is literature

art has literally the bread and butter of the white man. without art and immagination we would no better than niggers. jewish art has ruined art so you have people like the kid in the op who probably paints 90 pictures 2d pictures of a penis in different angles and calls it art. but real art goes hand in hand with science see leonardo davinci etc etc etc

>>61067100
>#resistcapitalism
What in the blueberry fuck is this retard going on about? Entertainment is a fuckhuge industry.

>>61067314
Speed bumps in a hallway, someone is looking for a lawsuit not art.

>>61067138
he's a soy demon

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>>61067423
>huh?

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>>61067100
Yeah, sure, you making drawings of humans transforming into diapers or statues sucking themselves off is just as important as jobs of people who dedicated their whole lives to studying so they could contribute to the overall progress of the humanity.

Bыcтaвкa - гoвнo, хyдoжники - пидopacы.

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It's funny because mediocre talentless hack musicians make millions of dollars on concerts, CDs and sponsors, whilst doctors make $200k a year if they're lucky

>>61067100

Art requires standards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc

>>61067314
So when do the floor turds sprout rockets and fly us to Mars?

>>61067673
>you dont need formal education to make art
>see look at this dick i drew
>look at this cool guitar song i just wrote
>look at this poem i wrote for my tumblr

thats jewish art you're talking about.

the great white artists throughout history dedicated their life to the arts ,formally educated.

>>61067739
Everything worth thinking of has been thought by Romans and Greeks a couple of thousand years ago.

>>61067739
>leonardo davinci
Well, Leo wasn't necessarily an artist, he also was a scientist, doctor, geologist, astronomer, engineer and much much more. His art came from his logic, one can't just pursue art as a career, that provides no material gain for yourself or for man around you.

I'm not bemoaning art at all, I'm just saying that pursuing an "artist career" is naive and doomed to fail.

Though the tweet is stupid, he's right, scientific careers are much more important that artistic careers, because through science we actually achieve and innovate... What's to stop a scientist from becoming an artist?

>>61067100

>reading twitter, ever

That's where you fucked up, right there.

>>61067834

stfu ya rusk. you guys were the first ones to build that Marxist philosophy bs. thats y most uni people are socialist scums

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>modern """""art"""""

>>61067100

What do you care? Let them believe what they want to.

That delusion will come in very handy when they're serving you fries.

>>61067423
white people why

someone should tell this hippy to fuck off to some shithole island that doesn't even have electricity. if art is just as important as science then he should be able to make do with just art, right?

art is fucking worthless without science. it is what people who can't do shit do. like a critic or an internet commenter. science stands on it's own merit and a society without emotion would have use for science, but not for art.

>art
Not relevant to the survival of Humanity. Easily replaceable. Any idiot can do it. All required for art to exist is for one bored Human to exist.

>science
Relevant to the survival of Humanity. Not easily replaceable as the conditions for achieving expertise are harsh. Only people with high willpower, intelligence, and thirst for knowledge can get into it. High amounts of resources, laboratories, specialized manufacture, libraries of books and knowledge, and peer support, are required for science to advance.

The only idiots who wish for art to be equal in standing to science are the copyright alliance. As that would put the value of digital entertainment products and information in the form of digital data, on the same level as material goods and resources. When in fact, digital information has even less value than general forms of information (such as education, economic metrics, libraries, financial accounts, etc.).

Ironically, his statement undermines the value system and gives support to the same capitalism (when it goes to cancerous levels) that he is criticizing in the same statement.
A dumb simple-minded naive child.

Without good engineers you would never even have gotten to play music except for drumming on your knees and doing a whistle. Science & Technology is always the foundation.

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>>61067203

>>61067268
>eating tofu
>with a steak

Wat?

>>61067992
the jew has peverted you. you're confused about what art is. art is an expression of your imagination. you literally cannot innovate without art.

art and science go hand in hand. read about some of the great artistic periods throughout history. literally the pinnacle of human idea and innovation. without great art we are nothing

>>61067934
>it all haults here

nice one kike

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Who cares about furthering anything other than himself, let alone humanity. Why even argue about it with some bug-eyed subhuman on twitter?

>>61067909
This,

you don't need a formal education to play piano. But i'd rather listen to a classically trained pianist then your retarded cousin hammering out "mary had a little lamb" with great furore after being enabled too much by her close relatives.

>>61067246
the twatter in the OP is a complete moron, but 'new year new meme' is a pure fucking philistine.

Art is not comparable to science, and neither is more important than the other.

>>61067877
>implying you need rockets when you have the power of imagination

Who cares what a 13 year old thinks?
>>61068244
ShoeOnHead is only pretending to be retarded in that picture.

>>61067100
>muh STEM meme
Art is important for cultural identity

Why does he think a planned econmy will would let him do arts.

People getting paidnalot for artistic endeavours is a product of capitalism.

>>61067100

Bet he is like that faggot in American Beauty who thinks a plastic bag blowing in the wind is art.

>>61067100
Does he not realize that you can only make a living off art in a capitalist market?

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>that twitter

>>61068453
Oh so that who the image is from, didn't recognize it as the wannabe boxxy

>>61068589
I think that she goes out with some gayman-gater. I only really know her from a stream she did with Sargon of Akkad.

>>61067305
>>ALSO MUSICIANS ARE HIGHLY IMPORTANT FOR THINGS LIKE MENTAL HEALTH ETC

Wasn't there a study that said %60 of touring musicians have mental health problems?

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>>61068467
While I agree with that, I refuse to acknowledge that people who fart paint at white sheets from their vaginas should be payed the same as a engineer or scientist.
If we had art that actually demands skill I'd be more likely to agree.

>>61068348
that depends on what you think art is. clearly you have some be-all-end-all everything definition of art. art isn't innovation, art is expression and whether or not innovation occurs is irrelevant. how do you think sculpture started? do you think they began by making art or fashioning a tool from stone? modern art is fucking degenerate even by your definition, what scientific insights are to be gained from watching some femicunt take a shit on butcher paper while drinking her own crusty menstruation? art is a statement and a reflection of society. what you are talking about is not artistic innovation but scientific innovation. the difference between an engineer and a sculptor. the difference between an architect and a cartoonist.

Remember that one kid in high school who was awkward, slightly-hyperactive and who was 'really into art'? Remember how everyone suspected that he was a raging homosexual and made fun of him behind his back?

That kid exists at every school in the nation and there are tens of thousands of them and they all have twitter accounts, which is why you should get off twitter and tumbr and reddit if you hate hearing them.

>>61068348
In terms of philosophy, pretty much perfected it. You can't tell me that if we all followed the new idea of "don't offend me" and "everyone is equal" we would be better off. Nice try shlomo.

>>61068072
>Goldschmied
...

>>61068072
>goldschmeid
You can't make this up

I can understand earlier art and how it intertwined with science in a way. Look at the statues or paintings so lifelike, impossible to do without knowing anatomy, refractions/reflections and principles like the golden ratio and how to utilize it.

Arts in the now sjw-infested schools are basically "paint a blob with your feces, menstrual blood and the ejaculate of the man who stare raped you" and everyone thinks this is the biggest achievement in arts because of its "social comment".

(I'm painting in broad strokes here huehuehue, there are some good artists left but those aren't the popular ones)

Arts used to be amazing, it was used to visualize knowledge or fantasy so that it was pleasing to the eye and mind, it could be thought-provoking or challenging in many ways if one wanted it to be so, but to do that it required something special.

Mindless obscenity and randomness is not art, but I guess thinking is a bit too hard on the frail minds of the artists of the past few generations

>>61067100
If you strip away all science of the last 20 years, life would suck a little more.
If you strip away all art of the last 20 years, life would suck a little more.

That being said, as these are two very broad subjects, there's a lot of irrelevant science and art. Therefore, a science-based career will not be automatically more important than art-based one.

>>61068740
you obviously don't even know your own history. art, science and philosophy go hand in hand. with out these things we are niggers. nothing more. you talk about art the same way a jew does

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Renaissance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classicism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannerism

there's more, do your homework

>>61068244
Not even written on a iphone, it's on paper up against an iphone.

>>61067100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0LHC6F6n_s

What does this even have to do with Capitalism?

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>>61068184

You really read a lot

These threads always remind me of the Mona Lisa Curse documentary.

>>61067100
Also, people's vision on the concept of science is "people improving and prolonging life", while the vision on the concept of art is "muh conceptual art people shitting on paper".

If you compare a man who influences a lot of people with his music, video or paintings and make them feel better, with a a man who studies a pretty unknown historical figure all his life which a handful people read upon. Who is more important?

theres alot of white people in this thread who arent aware of their history

if you consider yourself a white nationalist you really need to take the time to learn about the great artistic movements and ideologies our race conceived . that stuff is important

>>61069254
They're blaming their failures on the something which provides for them believing they deserve better and taking a contrarian opinion solely for the purpose of being contrarian.

>>61068072
> arousing great interest
> annoy people
I doubt the cleaner was aroused or annoyed. They just took and threw it in the rubbish like they do every day

>>61069501
History isn't considered a science, discount germany.

BUT CAN YOU RISIST MY SUPERIOR ARYAN PENIS

U3HAGSGD

>>61067100
there is no undervaluable jobs, he's right on that point.
just let people do their best to aim for a job they want, there is nothing wrong with it

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>>61069814

>>61067305
Something that is more important to more people will be more valued, depending on the level of importance across people.

>>61067253
They can get the fuck out.

Of course then they couldn't leech off of society.

>>61068740
art is not a statement or a reflection of society, art is making something great.
A feminist shitting on a piece of paper is consider art today, and does look like a reflection of society today, but it will never be and cannot be art. There is only one truth.

>>61069814
The science of art is all well and good but there's a ton of shit that's considered "art" now days that completely ignores the science.
HalfFinishedDragonNextToSculptureOfManSuckingHimselfOff.jpg
Hipsters that don't know shit that praise "art" that doesn't deserve praise is what causes art to get such a bad name. Well, that and the fact it's pretty worthless in general.
Personally, I blame Picasso. I'm not particularly knowledgeable on art but his art could make you think anyone could be famous.

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>>61069976
>scientists
>valuable and productive members of society

>scientists+artists
>geniuses

>main job "artists"
>leeches

Does that make sense? I know most good and important artists learned some trade or have proper degrees which are often unrelated.

>>61067504
Go girl!

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>>61067100
You fucking retards should bow before me and beg me to continue wasting my precious life, studying physics so I can help push this failed race into a better future.

>>61067653
but how does magnets work ?

>>61070420
>main job artists
>leaches

you could say the same about the millions of science graduates who go on to do nothing of importance throughout their whole entire career.
only a small percentage of men will be great men.

but i do agree that a lot of people who do art as their job are degenerates. that's only because art has been perverted and destroyed. real art is the building block of humanity. its literally the bread and butter of white innovation. idea and imagination is what has separated us from the rest of the world time and time again throughout history

>>61067100
Without people who careered in science he would still live in a cave

>science
Esoteric, by itself does nothing to further humanity

>art
Esoteric, by itself does nothing to further humanity

>science+art=engineering
Furthers humanity

>>61070362
art has been completely perverted to the point that people dont even take it seriously anymore. they think it means kids drawings and period blood. or an entertainment based activity only

people dont understand the importance art has had in shaping our world

>>61070913
>>science+art=engineering
Top shitpost australia, you never let me down

>>61067100
>muh money laundering

>>61070736
>millions of science graduates who go on to do nothing of importance throughout their whole entire career

The fuck are you on about you dumb nigger?
Every STEM graduate is qualified to maintain the infrastructure of society in at least one aspect throughout their studies. Every single fucking one can repair or maintain something at the very least as a job. Because that's the minimum requirement of the education system in STEM fields.
Say the same about artists you faggot, you can't.
Even the shittiest STEM graduate will contribute more to society on a tangible level than an art graduate.

>>61070913
>science+art=engineering
as an engineer i want to punch you

>>61071079
yeah dude all those dick size and gender disphoria study's that get churned out by every fresh science grad really improved our day to day life

so innovative. we need more great minds who can teach us the importance of mixing our genetics and sucking the estrognozied cum out of the dick of shemales. theyre doing gods work

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'You're so ugly you could pass for a modern art masterpiece!'

>>61070972
B-but the period blood finger painting represents the plight of the syrian refugees when they encounter their first welfare check: do they choose the iphone or android?

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>>61070913
>science+art

>>61067100
Just in general, unless you're a traditional artist creating marble sculptures and oil paintings which will last hundreds of years, you are wasting your existence. Nobody is going to remember some fatball shitting out bloody eggs onto canvas, because feminism. Nobody is going to remember someone who took a photo of a pile of trash and blew it up. Nobody is going to remember the dude who made weird "art" videos consisting of a German man's balls flapping in the wind.

Everyone will remember Rembrandt, da Vinci, Raphael, etc, not just because they created something amazing, but they created using mediums which were known for their lasting longevity.

So 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of "art students" are a fucking waste of oxygen. But every once in a while, there will be an absolute gem who achieves immortality.

Meanwhile, 25% of all scientists are flatly useless, while the rest contribute steadily to humanity.

Being an art student is therefore like rolling thief in an MMO: You're dogshit and pointless unless you hit max-level and get that OP attack.

>>61071244
reading tables isn't engineering. Very few engineers actually do any engineering, Most are some combination of lawyer 'does this meet standard', accountant 'what will it cost' and manager 'how long will it take".

The art comes in design.

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>>61069789
I challenge these chucklefucks to find a single human being, no matter how ignorant with regards to all things art, who if employed as a janitor would mistake the Mona Lisa or a Van Gogh painting for trash and throw it away.

The cool thing about (real) art is that anyone, from lifetime art critic to complete ignoramus, can look at it and see that it is, in fact, art. Garbage is not art. Garbage is garbage.

>>61071583
I'm a programmer, ie. software engineer.

>>61071351
>yeah dude all those dick size and gender disphoria study's that get churned out by every fresh science grad really improved our day to day life

It's not my problem your shitty country mixes science and liberal arts into the same fucking university, and doesn't have them separated because
>muh field based cultural diversity must be mixed in a pot to produce an enriched educational environment

Most parts of the world segregate educational fields properly.
Besides, women and faggots can't contend with poo in the loo male Indians for the same affirmative action spots, because Indians and Chinks tend to have disproportionate male to female ratios where males abandon the hope of relationships in return for studying and working 18 hours a fucking day.
The irony of the situation that this makes men still prevail in the end, except they can't criticize the ethnicity of this gender in this situation else "muh racism".

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>>61067253
>it's not as if one has any other choice but to participate in capitalist society
>mfw
>>61067264
My guess is the heavy implications that """""artist""""" should receive pay for anything they do through government subsidization muh living wage and such.

If you actually make really good art in a capitalist system you will become very wealthy. If you don't tough tits you're a shitty artist and the fact that no one wants to buy your shit shows as such.

This is why you don't give out trophies to everyone

>>61067643
This is correct
Artistic studies outside of a bullshit normal bfa require extensive knowledge in computer technologies recently or mathematics especially, the early masters were on average all brilliant mathematicians.
t. Animation major

>>61071634
m8 just because you use visual studio or eclipse to shit out the latest candy crush doesn't mean you're a fucking engineer.
Kill yourself.

>>61071634
And?

the truth is both science and art have been perverted to near death. the system has actively pushed mediocrity on the people

to the point that scientists dont even seek truth anymore. we live in a world where people walk around pretending that racial groups have no differences and its all backed by scientists. artists draw a picture of a 2d penis and get knighted and given a 2 month exhibit in the sydney museum of art

read your history. this shit were living in is garbage. no one from this generation will be great the way things are going. people don't even understand the purposes of art and science anymore

>>61067100
you can just have arts-based careers when you have a well functioning capitaism

LIQUIDATE THE INTELLIGENTSIA!

>>61071639
>implying a shitskin serbian can do good science anyway

your country has 0 achievements

>>61071865
>artists draw a picture of a 2d penis and get knighted and given a 2 month exhibit in the sydney museum of art
Wait what?

>>61070362
Bang on. He accelerated a thing called post modernism which basically means a new Era of art work. Now artists are trying to find the next big thing to circlejerk so they become relevant to the community.

>>61071777
>having a degree in software engineering and doing it professionally doesn't mean you're a software engineer
)))))))))

>>61071810
and there's literally nothing artistic about it

>>61067100
Fuckin lol

>>61067314
liberal arts include science,philosophy, history, mathematics, psychology... but I think that spoiled teenage turd meant just art, music and literature by ''arts''.

>>61067423
If MichaelAngelo was alive he'd kick in the heads of a few people.

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>>61067100
>wants careers
>resists capitalism

>>61071865
Feels good living in Rome, no 2d penises.
Shit is beautiful.

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>>61071978
Even a fucking gypsy here can do more than an art student. At least they can fix up a broken car and create mutant vehicles from various car parts in junkyards. They can naturally do car repair.
You know you have it bad when even fucking gypsies can contribute more to society than art students.

>>61072107
>and doing it professionally
Oh, so you make compilers, drivers, operating systems and other low level shit?
I'd be surprised if you weren't a web dev.

>>61072247
the average liberal arts transexual will do more for the world than your whole country has done through out the whole of history shit skin

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>>61068072
women making art. You know how hard women had to fight to get to make some art peaces, they had to pactise and study the human anatomy twice as hard and dedicate their life for it and now some biches make trash and call it art. fuck this shit.

>>61072107
Then you're not doing any engineering you're just writing code.

Just because a sculptor occasionally makes some fence posts doesn't mean there is no art in sculpture. If a writer makes a text book it doesn't mean there is no art in literature.

>>61071757
>If you actually make really good art in a capitalist system you will become very wealthy. If you don't tough tits you're a shitty artist and the fact that no one wants to buy your shit shows as such.
You don't even need to be that good, just convince enough people to support your art. Just look at pathenon to see shitty comics makers earn a livable wage. Difference between them and these faggots? These actually work, creating content and pandering to certain people.
I mean, fuck, it has literally never been easier to make a living doing art and entertainment than today and these faggots are still complaining.

>>61068683
she dates the armoured sceptic and I think she's funny for a girl

>>61068184
art is important beacuse artists criticize the establishment and other things a normal person can't fuck with, like Charlie hebdo does

>>61067100
she might have a point, if art these days couldnt be created by stuffing paint up your minge, and piss-sprayed haphazardly onto the corner of a canvas

>>61070362
Picasso made crazy works of 'war' not wors of 'art'. It was a fucked up time so he made fucked up art. Then people who are not mentally insane try to do it and we get tadys ''art''.

>>61072254
No dear, I'm not a web dev. Can't stand any kind of markup syntax, not to mention debugging for 15 different browsers including IE... I work in a small ~15 man company, we build stuff per order, whatever the user spec is. There's ocassional web stuff in there, but we've got 2 guys who do that, my job is backend. Most of the work are business management systems - database for employee data, finances etc + some kind of an interface, either desktop or web based

>>61072438
>you're just writing code
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. The most important part of my job is designing a good system in the first place, and we often spend more time on that + documentation, testing, maintenance etc then we do actually writing code, and even then you're still very actively "desinging" algorithms and optimizing stuff. This "codemonkey" thing you're implying simply doesn't exist in the current industry anymore. It did some 20 years ago..

>>61067100


I would even agree with his original statement if modern art wasn't degenerate.
Before (((THE JEWS))) art was the discipline of trith and beauty. In the renassaince the best artists were also architects/engineers types.
Modern art is essentially a money making scheme for jews.

>>61072357
yeah right, like liberal arst students could ever make a war or remove kebab

>>61073036
You're a software developer not a software engineer.

>>61073036
You're the one who said you're not doing anything artistic. Now you say you're designing things.

Which is it?

>>61073036
>This "codemonkey" thing you're implying simply doesn't exist in the current industry anymore. It did some 20 years ago..

Isn't web programming like that? I'm just asking

>>61067100
People don't understand the arts has always been dependant on the so called rich elites and they always will. Shit you 70 years of soviet control on Russia you can't name a single artist that regime produced with out googling it. Capitalism creates artists.

Someone's about to get fisted by the invisible hand...

>>61067531
Pretty cool, got any more?

>>61067314
I call this one
"Designated shitting piles"

>>61067253
I love capitalism, and I'm not wasting my money like he is.

>>61067305
Musicians are important. At least classical composers are. They're one of the very foundation of our culture as the western world.

>>61073248
A code monkey is more the guy you go to to code the design you've already drawn up and done the hard parts of, he has little to no input.

as a guy doing env art for games: don't think we are all like those fucking idiots. many people call themselves artists just for the label. they have no skills or talent whatsoever. they just try to force their agenda onto people. making AAA quality art is incredibly hard and time consuming, it's a lifestyle not just a job. if any 'artist' spends half their time spouting political nonsense on his/her twitter then you know they're shit artists.

the professional artists that i know that are really good at what they do are all very non-political, in fact it angers them when you try to bring up politics in an unrelated discussion.

>>61073176
Im designing systems with the focus on optimization, readability, reusability and extendability. Theres nothing in there that holds any kind of social/political message, nor is it an expression of my views. Its not art.

>>61073248
Hmmm. Youre kinda right. Theres stilli some stuff in there that needs some thought and expertise but the majority is mindless writing, yeah.

btw im >>61073036
just on phone now so new id

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The difference is if you do an Arts degree you actually have to be really good at it and have some drive. It's not a job on a platter like a STEM degree is, you have to work for it.

Got my Bachelor's degree. Took a year off school to work and save money for a Master's. In that time I led a school trip educational panel for kids on Dublin Cathedral because I'd written my dissertation on Irish church architecture and did some work experience in the National Museum of Ireland.

After I completed my Master's I was able to walk back into the Museum as a tour guide, helped the head of medieval studies out with a research project, and by next year I'm going to be looking at a managerial position paying 60 grand a year.

It's hard, sure, but you get out what you put in. It's easy to have a career in the Humanities if you work for it.

>>61067100
done with what, nancy?

>>61068900
Where did you read that? Are you retarded or just plain fucking stupid?

>implying capitalism doesn't encourage degenerate """""""""artists"""""""""

Commie blocks aren't known for their style

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>>61067100
Science is literally the opposite of capitalism, it's at this point 100% necessary for the survival of over two thirds of the species.

Arts are 100% unnecessary, people will entertain themselves with whatever and only because of capitalism comes the need for more constant flow of new artists.

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>modern art

>>61073765
Now I understand. You just don't know what art is.

Art isn't going to get us off this planet when the sun expands.

>>61069027
But the likelihood of that "irrelevant" science one day providing value is far higher than a stronk womyns ephemeral facepainting with menstrual blood and xir's semen

>>61072357
Just checked their brief history.
They used to kick roach ass, until Austria kek'd them over.

>>61070972
Dude, know your surroundings. This image board is full of dumb kids, there's literally no point in arguing with them.
I say this for you, save your time!

>>61073765
>Hmmm. Youre kinda right. Theres stilli some stuff in there that needs some thought and expertise but the majority is mindless writing, yeah.

I wanted to build a website from scratch a few years ago. I got the distinct impression that CSS is a mess and that developers code in a hacky/ad-hoc unmantainable way.

>>61074189
If we haven't achieved space travel and colonized other planets by then we've already been wiped out by something else. According to google that's >5 billion years away.

>>61067335
well he is kinda right.

Retard will give more importance to retarded things.

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>>61067641

>toxic
Shitty buzzword. Everything is toxic to these stupid libtards.

>>61067100
>written from my new Iphone

>>61067423
Is this an Indian cult?

You know, it wasn't by pure coincidence that scientific careers began to be considered more important than artistic ones.

Is this too hard to understand?

>>61067643
Also anatomy

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>>61067100
Is it realistically possible to have an art-based career without capitalism created wealthy upper class? Who will invest in art? How does art retain it's exclusivity with socialism?

>>61071632

I want to pinch that cat's snout gently.

>>61067335

I wonder if he'll still feel that importance is subjective the next time he's in an emergency room.

>>61070736
You have to be shitposting.

>>61067100
>I'm le done, I'm so le fucking done, le wow, just le fucking wow, am I right tumblr? How fucking dare anyone express an opinion somewhere then have the FUCKING AUDACITY to make me read it then make a fucking thread about it
Just
Don't
Look

>>61068356
>neither is more important than the other.

Which would you rather live in, a society without artists or a society without medicine and engineering?

>>61067314

That looks like one comfy hammock

>>61074904
Liberals

>>61067314
>giant poo right in the middle of the floor
>India as art

who the fug is "soydemon" anyway :D:D:D

>>61067138
Soyim pls

>>61067100
He's right though. Art based careers may not pay as much but they are just as important if not more important than sciences. Social sciences even more so.

>>61067100
the thing is: an arts-based career can yield the same or even more money than a science-based one.

Modern pop music is not my cup of tea, and a lot of stuff that looks like a 5-year-old drew is considered modern art.

But I have to face facts: Justin Bieber made millions, and is gonna make more millions.

Nobody forced these people into their careers.

What this faggot is complaining about is his lack of talent and ambition.

If he worked hard and had anything to show for his art career he could make money.

But he didn't want to work hard.
That's why he choose an arts career. Because he thought having a guitar and playing wonderwall is enough to succeed in the world.

Now that I think about it there are so many jobs - especially in the US - that are suited for these creative types. Just think about all US tv shows that are on the market. They all need writers, artists and what not.

But he didn't WANT to work a creative job - because it's hard. He just wanted to party for 4 years.

>>61067641
>Why is it always upper middle class people supporting socialism/communism

Hard hitting journalist,
Says he's a communist
Says he believes in world war III
Lives in a high-rent
Luxury apartment,
He ain't fooling me

https://youtu.be/P3o8cBSdBmE

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Why are progressives seen as promoting peace, when all they ever do is foster hatred and divisiveness?

>BLACKS VS WHITES
>MUSLIMS VS CHRISTIANS
>WOMEN VS MEN
>UPPER CLASS VS MIDDLE CLASS
>ARTISTS VS SCIENTISTS

The biggest threat to Western society is progressives themselves. Yes, bigger than immigrants, because they'd all be on the other side of the planet if progressives didn't run our governments.

>>61067343
Kekked out loud

>>61067314
I'm actually digging the wheel on the right.
With a few additions, I'd make a pretty cool Chaos Portal for 40k.

>>61067100
As obnoxious as he sounds, he's right, art isn't inherently less important than science.

>>61069050
you cant damage your precious iphone

>>61067531
Do anything /pol/ inspired? I could use a new wall hanger.

>>61068244
people still dont know who misandryqueen is holy shoot guys you were bamboozled

>>61067100
Im a doctor of dental medicine.
Have responsibility and if any surgery goes wrong im fucked and directly responsible.
There is no one to blaim one.
Have to always be very focused on work, treatments should be fast, adequate and of high quality.
Have to go to conferences few times a years to continute to follow the scientific development taking place in order not to fall behind.
New techniques, now medicies, new concepts, and implement this in daily clinical practice.
We are taking thousnads of dollars a year for all this "keeping up to date".

Hey here is a leftist liberal girl 21 years old who just finish a 18 month course in "art" and is trowing paint at some piece of paper, with no education or qualification, and she gets paid by government to do it.
Hey I guess we are on the same level right?
Fuck em

>>61067423
The jew at 5:51 says it all

>>61067100

why does this little faggot keep appearing in new threads OP? this is the third thread I've seen a tweet from him or a retweet form him as the thread starter

>>61075842
so i can either live amongst a bunch of autists who cant make anything worthwhile, or die?

>>61067246
>le everything is important and special in its own unique way
>everything is relative!

>>61068720
Art is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. There is no "fair" amount of money that equals a certain sized painting or something.


This can be 0$ or it can be 42 million.

So many people fall in the art-degree trap, because they think it's easy and requires no work.

Guess what: ACTUALLY producing art is ridiculously difficult.
In college you get your toolset - you know how to write a verse, you know about color combination or whatever.

In STEM noone will refuse to hire you if your grades are good but your voice sucks.

Good luck getting a job as a singer if your voice sucks / is generic but your arts-degree shows perfect scores.

This is completely natural.

The problem that's becoming apparent is saturation.

There are enough people on the market producing songs, paintings, tv shows or even statues.

In order to succeed as an artist you need to stand out.

But a lot of people assume art degrees will get them a nice cozy 9-5 job as an artist of some kind.

>>61067423
What is this shit and why are those people watching so seriously?

>>61075465
it's cool, it will cost the tax payers less money to pay some local band a gig fee to play him music

ambulance cost of transporting their instruments could get expensive, better we just send over a singer and not the full band

>>61077525
Wow. Fixing dem sandniggers teeth. You're a very important. The world will truly miss you when you're gone.

>>61070736
>you have to have your name on a formula and/or be famous to have contributed meaningfully to science

why are people so focused on science as a collection of facts? we stand on the shoulders of giants, the great breakthroughs are important, but so is all the research done decades before hand that made the breakthrough possible. People treat science like the process of digging a tunnel, only caring about the miner whose pick broke through to the light and ignoring the hundreds that dug the rest of the way for them.

>>61067253
You have no choice but to participate in ANY government.

>>61077206
except when it obviously fucking is.
>Mona Lisa was never made
World is basically the same
>penicillin was never discovered
No, wait you are right, wouldn't make a fucking difference. Besides, I'm pretty sure all the old artists had other jobs that actually contributed something.

>>61067100

Both Science-based "careers" and Arts-based "careers" are equally retarded concepts. Fundamentally, Science and Art are both creative processes (yes, you need to be creative to come up with something as genius as general relativity for example) and the idea that you can have creativity to order does not make sense. Creativity comes when you are deeply inspired and you work towards something, money or not.

The arts world is polluted with degenerate shite right now. But so is the world of science; crack open any journal that isn't Nature and you'll see such incompetent shit, you wonder how it got published. They both suffer from the same problem, people constantly need to be churning out work in order to get paid. I say let people only get creative when there is something worth creating.

>>61071757
>If you actually make really good art in a capitalist system you will become very wealthy
Wrong, this only works if you make art that is easily digestable, really accessable and targeted towards the average consumer. Just because something is popular does not mean that it is good.
There are tons of amazing artists who could never live off their craft, simply because their art does not fall into those categories.

>>61080399
no one thing is more important than another. that's sort of how a civilization works. it's all interconnected. what's the point curing disease, exploring space and creating a renewable energy source if in our off time we can't go appreciate some art or catch a movie? what's the fucking point of anything if we can't enjoy ourselves? if we didn't develop penicillin and vaccines we would all be dead sure, but what life is worth living without entertainment and pastimes?

>>61078156
this shit is what truly fucked this generation, the insulting thought that copper can pass as gold, that the immigrants that built our countries are worth the same as the illegal rapists and thieves that daily cross our borders

Actual art is of enormous importance. If you're a talented artist or musician, you can make a living easily.

The problem is that most of these people are hacks, trying to pass of their menstrual fluids as modern art, or screaming as avant-garde music.

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>>61068356
>Art is not comparable to science, and neither is more important than the other.
U 'avin a giggle there, m8?

>>61081121
Underrated post

>>61067246
musicians are well payed, wtf, fuking retarded scum

>>61076312

There are plenty of lucrative art carriers. Don't expect make a living selling canvas art, but going into graphic design or Photoshop manipulation is just as lucrative as many science fields.

>>61080875
>tons of amazing artists who could never live off their craft
wrong. if you're talented, and actually understand the fundamentals, you can make a living.

>>61067100
>49likes
It's literally nothing.

>>61067305
it's kind of hard to imagine a world without music.

i suppose a good comparison might be, would you rather live in the woods with a non stop stream of music
or
would you rather live a much longer life, where most of the sounds you hear are unpleasant?
are we assuming no artistic speech, poetry, or literature?

but it's not like any of the music i listen to came from an art school anyway.

in my life music has been tied with pleasure quite alot.
but you could thank science for most of the mediums in which i enjoy my music in the first place.

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>>61068184

>any idiot can do it

Why don't you whip up one of these this afternoon, then

First of all, I am an animation major, and I've been animating since middle school. That's a real job. We help do advertising for businesses, we work in the film industry (90% of that star wars movie was animated), we make animations for medical demonstrations that get used in med schools and hospitals, NASA always needs us, and we work at least 50 hours a week. The average wage in the US for animators is $60,000. I'm also skilled in the fine arts. Plus, I love animating more than I love jacking off.
I'm not complaining at all. Trust me, if you hear an artist complain that's because they're shitty at fine arts. if they think that poorly scribbling a drawn vagina with red paint on the face of their garage door is worthy of fame and praise for their aptitude, they're not an artist, they're a narcissist.

>>61067100
good thing we have science so that we can eat genetically modified food that gives us cancer, eat out of plastic containers that give us cancer, use aerosol sprays that give us cancer, eat food with fillers, eat food loaded with antibiotics and estrogens, drive cars that make us fat and lethargic, work in factories that dehumanize us, work desk jobs that make us depressed, and then take a magic pill antidepressant at the end of the day that chemically castrates us and attempts to numb us completely to our "technological utopia." thanks science!!!!

>>61082369
I can whip a 3D printer that can whip up one of those. And i can improve the model via 3D modeling program. Come at me nigga. YEEEEE BITCHES, SCIENCE REPLACING ARTISTS. GO GET JOBLESS MOTHAFUCKAS.

>>61072144
>liberal arts
>includes science and mathematics
>the S&M in STEM must be sociology & medicine

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I'm in the final year of my STEM degree and just started my honours project.

I like to draw. I could have become an art student but instead I decided to pursue it as a hobby since the work and income tends to be irregular unless you're willing to suck dick for it in most cases. Also, a lot of """artists""" I've come across have been conceited, whiny obnoxious faggots and drama queens.

>>61082448
If you hate technology so much, get out from behind your computer and go die of exposure in the woods.

>>61082579
can you create the model via your 3d modeling program?
didn't think so, talentless child.

>>61067423

see this is the problem with art, when a scientist performs shit science, other scientists call them out of it. When an artist does shit art, it's subjectively good somehow

>>61081651
Van Gogh died penniless.

>>61083073
way to go to an extreme, dipshit.
at least art isn't polluting the world and destroying it. thanks to science, the Yellow River and Yangtze are polluted cesspools.
art is neutral.
science is destroying as much as it embellishes. deal with it, fag.

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>>61067100
Fuck capitalism!!! (whatever that is lol) #blacklivesmatter
#whiteguilt #cuckpride

>>61083213
Why is a hippy on /pol/? Why is a Luddite using a computer?

>>61083158
his art wasn't about the fundamentals. it was abstract.
if you are actually skilled in the fundamentals you can work in concept art AND illustration. the video game industry now rakes in 3x as much as Hollywood.

>>61083363
I don't think you know what abstract means.

>>61071351

>social science
>stem

>>61067100
>shit artist want to earn as much as a biomedical doctor engineer of nuclear medicine cuz he makes shitty "arrrt"

>>61067531
Wright Flyers shooting laser beams. Love it.

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>>61067100
>>61067138
>>61067203
Communist fool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYu6qhd88_M

>>61067423
I love how the filmer here recorded mostly the crowd. They themselves are the spectacle by how utterly fucking beyond savable they are.

the whole art thing is a bit stupid. i'd rather say soft science is just as important as hard science. that would be a better comparison than fucking art.

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In reality most engineers and scientist never ever accomplish anything big, at least artists have some fun.

Hey /pol/ how come as a STEM grad student I have to:

>know my particular field of study (or more often than note know aspects of multi fields and take a multi-disciplinary approach)
>Know how to write papers as this is how I present my research to scientific journals
>know how to construct concise and digestible presentations using various graphic design/scripts to showcase my results in figures/tables
>know how to use various statistical analyses and in some cases calculus and more advanced modelling (depending on my research)

Meanwhile arts/social science majors need to know only 1-2 of those things.

My friend and I both went to the same University but he went for English, I went for Bio.

>He read books and wrote papers
>I read books and wrote papers
>I learned how to handle lab equipment/chemicals (both in lab and in the field)
>learned how to use R and other stats programs


anyways..I think it was black science man who said something like "you go to Art parties, and people will say "oh you know, I was never any good with math"" but in a room full of scientists know one says "well, I was never very good at reading"

Why are STEM majors more well rounded?

>>61084213

and probably have more sex.

>>61084213

Depends what you mean by "big." Yes, most scientists won't get publications in Science or Nature, but getting anything published is always handy to other people researching similar things. The community builds on itself.

>>61067531
Holy shit, this art is amazing. Biplanes and lasers.

The contrast of the dreams of the future combined with the romanticism of the past. The contrast of destruction of the burning city below and the blue sky above. Some queer art style I am sure someone who actually knew art would understand.

Would hang on wall.

>>61084213
>I'll take b8 for 600, Alex

>>61067100
I think we have enough art. Adding more doesn't help anybody. There are plenty of paintings to look at, musical compositions to listen to, and works of literature to read.

On the other hand, scientific advances always go beyond what already exists and do add to the quality of our lives.

>>61084447
add to the quality of our lives... like when it created a giant hole in the ozone layer? lol.

>>61084644

Tell us how that has personally affected you.

>>61067100
Poetry doesn't build bridges or cure diseases you spoiled little faggot.

>>61076723
A few weeks ago Justin Bieber litteraly said he had zero control over his music career until very recently... Lyrics, melody, image.. All forced on him..

Its kinda implied pop culture is respons to said culture..

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>>61084213

Even if they contribute something minuscule to a bigger project, conduct research, and/or collaborate with an organization that creates or realizes something big, you have already achieved more for the advancement of mankind than any artist no matter how talented.

I am a Systems Analyst monkey who makes good money but doing what I do because I am essentially not smart enough to do more and even I facilitate scientific innovation at a research university due to facilitating equipment and saving time when things go badly so that that the researchers can get back to their work.

My retarded self contributes more than anyone in the arts and I spend over half my work week shit posting on a Taiwanese animu board.

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>all these classc u c k s on /pol/

You fags do understand that capitalism is in decay, right?

>>61067100
Don't get me wrong, art is great and life would be pointless without it, but art isn't gonna treat physical ailments.

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>>61083868
https://www.academia.edu/10149049/The_Origins_and_Ideological_Function_of_Cultural_Marxism

>>61081651
this only works if you make art that is easily digestable, really accessable and targeted towards the average consumer

>>61083363
>abstract
You have no clue what you're talking

>>61083363
>video games
>art
>not just meaningless entertainment to keep the masses occupied

literally capitalism rewards art. Socialism does not. At the core of both economic ideologies this is extremely clear

Does anyone have proof wage gap doesn't exist?

>>61067343
kek

>>61085348

so is art.

Art wouldn't exist if people didn't have their other needs satisfied first.

>>61067100
Who the fuck cares.

Saged and reported

Both need each other. Science inspires art, art inspires science.

They've been intermingled for centuries, if not longer. Anyone who denies this is deluded.

>>61086341

I think that is true to an extent. I don't think rolling shit balls on a floor, putting trash together to make a stick man, and making a gay male centipede sculpture exactly applies.

The same way junk science doesn't apply.

>>61067653
>Dr. Faygo
I've lived in the Metro Detroit area my entire life and I've NEVER seen that flavor. What the fuck.

>>61071447
Sauce on those non-madeup statistics?

>>61084213
>artists have some fun
You cant into STEM if you don't think its fun, you have a point, artists actually get more sexual sort of fun but that's it.

>>61067531
All I can see is happy merchant
what have you done to me /pol/

>>61081635
Maybe in progressive scandinavia, around here even famous musicians and artists have dayjobs.

>>61086545
The problem i find with modern art is that half of the work is in the essay. And usually the essay portion isn't on display. Not unless you buy the guide book anyway.

Then again even if you know the background and essay, it can still be rather rubbish.

>>61067253
so, you finally understand that capitalism is the best choice we got despite all the models available? welcome to the kool kids klub, kid

>>61067100
I see this attitude among artists who aren't successful. They can't conceive that they are not producing work that people want to buy. Rather than try to change what they do to satisfy the market they just get resentful and assume society is full of morons who "just don't get it."

>>61067100

>mfw went to school for business, ended up running a successful graphic design business

Art isn't the problem. If you're an artist and you're not a dufus and a fucking faggot you can actually make a good living. "Arts" attract lazy people.

I meet "art" people who complain to me my work is too commercial. Well fucking yeah and that's why I make a middle class income and you live at home with mom and dad eating reheated mac n cheese.

>>61086092
The statistics that the "77ct for every dollar" myth came from was interpreted terribly.
You have to realize that women earn less statistically because they tend to go into fields that pay less (Men often go into STEM, women often go into Social Sciences or Humanities).
Even if a women decides to go into a STEM-field, let's say engineering, they tend to go into fields that pay less; men often go into Aircraft Engineering (or something similar), while women tend to go into fields like Enviomental Engineering.

Women have the opportunity to earn as much as men, they simply choose not to.

>>61067100
It's perfectly right, art is everyone's heritage. How boring do you think the world would be without the arts?

>>61067100

>Contributing nothing to the advancement of society
>Creating shit art when you have no talent or vision because you have wealthy parents that probably did work hard so you can live at home and fail at a career until you are 35
>You are an artist because you don't want to get a real job that actually builds character and helps others and would rather be vain think you are cool and unique, even though you look and act exactly like everyone else to be "trendy"
>Not realizing science takes complicated things and simplifies them and tries to include everyone, while art complicates simple things like common sense and alienates people

>Somehow this isn't toxic

Faggots.

>>61067305
respond:

>you wouldn't be able to make this shitty argument without science, you wouldn't have plumbing or clean, running water without science, you wouldn't be sleeping indoors without science. None of those statements is true if you replace science with art.

>>61087303
No, you make a middle-class income because you do not make Art for Art's sake. You produce a commodity to be bought.
Nothing wrong with that, it's just not "Art" in that sense. As in "depicts values", "makes statements about the human condition" ect

>>61067837
there are only a handful of "musicians" making that much money though.
As a classical musician it's pretty painful to see. I'm easily the most talented musician in the room at any given time but I don't compare to the principal horn player of New York Phil. This man is prolific and he makes maybe 90k

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>>61083363

AMERICAAAAAAA

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>>61085302
>advancement of mankind
>understanding light swiftly gives birth to atomic weapons

b8/10

>>61068058
Actually in USSR a scientist or an engineer was of much greater value than an artist.

>>61067100
Funny eh?

Saying this with twitter using the web and the internet.

Maybe he should understand that, yes, scientific are clearly more useful than some stupid self-called """artist""

>>61087639

Oh look Hans here gets to define what art is or isn't. So much power for a cuckold to handle.

>>61087955
Go suck a nigger dick, faggot

>>61085767
Entertainment is never meaningless. That said, video games are a product more so than they are art.

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>>61088012

Go suck a faggot dick, nigger

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>>61084410
>Some queer art style I am sure someone who actually knew art would understand.
It's fascist art, the future that your forefathers crushed under a wave of moroccan rapists.

>>61078140
>can't make anything worthwhile

Gee I didn't know that eradicating polio for pretty much the rest of eternity wasn't worth while.

This has to be the biggest shitpost of the morning.

I'm have an English literature degree. Just accepted a job from a healthcare communications company. I'll be writing not only advertisements for drugs, but information for doctors and patients.

STEM does the heavy lifting, obviously, but "arts" people like myself can still play a good supporting role.

>>61071079
i know a number of biologists who fuck of into a microscope everyday doing "research" on some specific bacteria that might help slow the damage to some worm that lives in one reef outside of New Guinea or whatever. Many scientists waste their time discovering nothing.
My one friend spend two entire summers collecting samples of air from a prairie in Florida.
Tell me again how useful everyone in STEM is...

>>61067531
Really nice, turn of the century vibe
>>61084410
Great interpretation too anon

>>61067423
uh oh Spaghettios

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Spaghettios

>>61088328
i could keep going.

>be my scientist friend
>spend days measuring ground up seal teeth with a tiny spoon and putting it into tiny cups
why? definitely not to benefit humans or our society.

>>61067100
posted from my Iphone on a publicly traded website. resist the hash tag

I have a bachelor degree in engineering.
So let me tell you guys some facts.
There is not enough jobs for everyone because they now use robots, software to perform tasks that humans used to do.
Now there will soon be no need for drivers and even more people will loose their jobs.
I dont know what will happen, but there is definetly not more than half of the work force that is needed.
This is why there is so many useless jobs in public sector.
Maybe art is as a good thing. There is not need for everyone, but we need to feed everyone for our own protection.

>>61067423
more art
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s0_QKL3O8s

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Ann_Liv_Young

>>61067100
Exceptionally outstanding artists get sponsors and patrons...

legislating government support for anyone who desires to call themselves an "artist" is an absurdity..

Hopefully we're not this stupid to give a living to any faggot who wants to sit around a sulk all day scribbling 'poetry' or doodling..

again when your art reaches the level of excellence that it moves the ineffable sense of those so inclined you will succeed.. Until then you're not going to make it and should find yourself a regular job.

>>61071757
>woman doing hard work
wut

>>61072385

From the thumbnail it looks like she's about to sodomize him with a giant penis

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>>61074088
Their fucking body language tells it all.

>>61067314
Great chance to teach your kids about the degeneracy rampant in the art world.