Ayylien Politics

>>61017789
>why the fuck hasn't SETI or SETI@home found anything

Because we are the first, anon, the pioneers.

>>61018030
Are we the Precursors, the old ones, the Celestials, the Ancients?

>>61017789
>And why the fuck hasn't SETI or SETI@home found anything?

There are only 6 planets in the entire galaxy(?) that are suitable to carbon based life including our own. Our planet is the only planet that is likely to have any form of intelligent life and the other 5 planets would be the only planets likely to use radio signals (as we are carbon based life and we developed them, also we would have no idea what form of communication other forms of life would use).

Basically we are extremely likely to be the only species to use radio signals.

>>61017789

Aliens are an emotion crutch. It is terrifying to assume that we are the only living, intelligent beings in the entire universe and that if humanity should die out the universe would go on existing without ever knowing pain, pleasure, logic or anything at all, ever again.

>>61017789
>And why the fuck hasn't SETI or SETI@home found anything?

There are only 6 planets in the entire galaxy(?) that are suitable to carbon based life including our own. Our planet is the only planet that is likely to have any form of intelligent life and the other 5 planets would be the only planets likely to use radio signals (as we are carbon based life and we developed them, also we would have no idea what form of communication other forms of life would use).

Basically we are extremely likely to be the only species to use radio signals, as well as the fact that we are likely alone.

>>61018030
If we're the first then wouldn't probability suggest we're also the last?

>tfw no ayylien gf

>>61017789
Probably because we are too primitive.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal
>In 2012, on the 35th anniversary of the Wow! signal, Arecibo Observatory beamed a response from humanity, containing 10,000 Twitter messages, in the direction from which the signal originated.
gay

>>61018311
>It is terrifying to assume

Look up the video God is in control. Intelligent design is very obvious, and although we do not know if the LORD has made others, I assume that he has not.

The LORD God provides enough.

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>>61018424
thats so fucking dumb. of all the shit to broadcast they broadcast literal shit

>>61017789
Who knows what tech aliens use for communication.

We've only had radio tech for what, 70 years? I'm not entirely sure. What I am sure of radio and tv signals travel out into space from Earth.

Who knows, maybe aliens are parked in the band we sent out during the 70's and 80's listening to some sweet ass tunes.

>>61017789
If they ever are able to reach another planet they are natsoc

>>61017789
Depends what specie.

Greys are technocrats as fuck. Always focused on science.

Reptilians are ruled by army with a militarist culture. Always trying to make others their vassals.

Pleiadians are monarchists eugrnists(not in the bad sense). They monarchs reborn inside the next generations, letting only the most advanced.spiritualy to rule

>>61018667

It is terrifying for people to assume that they are alone in the universe, so people created the idea of a God. They twist observations to their own desire to claim to prove something that is literally unprovable.

People who believe in aliens and people who believe in Gods are all cowards too afraid to face reality as it exists.

Because we're probably the only intelligent life in the galaxy, maybe the universe.

Also because you can't really expect radio waves to be detectable as actually intelligible signals after hundreds of light years.

>>61018667
So what the fuck is the point of the literally unimaginable amount of space out there? The universe is literally so big that the idea of there only being one life sustaining planet, even one god, is ridiculous.

>>61018915
Dont having god/aliens don't make you less coward than them

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>>61018424
>>61018731
>message with no response
>waiting for years
>mfw friendzoned by aliens

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>>61018734
>we've only had radio tech for what, 70 years?

>>61018176
>There are only 6 planets in the entire galaxy(?) that are suitable to carbon based life including our own
That's wring though.

>>61018424
they send the fucking thing that would make aliens want to nuke us

>>61019027

There doesn't have to be a point. Even if there were aliens out there, we cannot travel faster than the speed of light, so it would take many an incredibly long time to get anywhere.

>>61019047

I don't need the belief in any other entities to make it through my life. I don't need the assurance of some imaginary god that I will go to heaven to live a good life. I don't imagine the existence of aliens and spent my days hoping they will come to Earth and improve my life. I need no emotional crutch.

Maybe the aliens are waiting for humans to have a hugely destructive world war and then they might come in afterwards to harvest the rest.

If you can watch a planet from afar and monitor their behavior it would be much easier to conquer a planet after they have been weakened fighting each other.

Or there are benevolent extra terrestrial civilizations awaiting this immature world to join the galactic community.

There are many possibilities.

>>61017789
>pls respond

>>61018363
>There are only 6 planets in the entire galaxy(?)

10,000 capable of supporting life as we know it

> Our planet is the only planet that is likely to have any form of intelligent life

cant remember exactly, probably around 50 at this moment in time

>Our planet is the only planet that is likely to have any form of intelligent life

also 50, since when u plug in numbers into the drake equation, you have to say 100% of intelligent life has tech, since thats the only thing we can base it on.


i thought austrialia had better schools than america?

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>>61019027

>So what the fuck is the point of the literally unimaginable amount of space out there?

To inspire humility.

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>>61018311
>>61018915
>>61019379

>>61019687
>implying anything has a purpose beyond self survival

>>61019591

The Drake equation is absurd. If you know anything about statistics you know that you cannot assume anything based on a single occurrence. Humanity is the only intelligent life that we know of. Imagining that others exist out there is nothing more than wishful thinking.

>>61019591

The drake equation is bullshit and based on completely baseless assumptions.

>>61019797
Must suck to be you.

>>61019591
>Drake equation

Uncertainties around this equation is our understanding of the evolution of life, intelligence, and civilization, not physics. No statistical estimates are possible for some of the parameters, where only one example is known. The net result is that the equation cannot be used to draw firm conclusions of any kind, and the resulting margin of error is huge, far beyond what some consider acceptable or meaningful.

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earth's age
>4,540,002,016 years
humanity's age
>3,000,000 years
time needed to have enough mass extinctions to build up enough bio mass underground in order to create enough fossil fuel to have sufficient energy to power a industrial revolution devised by a healthy, stable society aided by science and technology
>4,540,001,820 years

chances are, we have been visited, photographed and cataloged, but we weren't here to see anything

>>61021905
>chances are

Based on what?

>>61017789
Any successful life forms have probably formed a swarm consciousness guided by an overmind.

If you're in space, possibly in warfare with other species, you need to group up and fight for survival. A trillion individuals with their own interests won't survive against a trillion individuals fighting for one cause.

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>>61018030
We're not the first, anon. We're the last.

There are ruined remnants of the great empires strewn about all over the place. Even on our own moon.

>>61022700

If that were true we'd have more than just vague photographs.

>>61018363
>There are only 6 planets in the entire galaxy
The Kepler mission has revealed about 30 planets that are quite likely to have both an atmosphere and liquid water on them. Calculations based on the Kepler mission data have shown that there might be 10-40 billion habitable planets in our galaxy alone.

Even the Jupiter moon Europa might harbor basic life in the deep sea.

Why would aliens use radio?

>>61022998

>that are quite likely to have both an atmosphere and liquid water on them

Whoopdi fucking doo.

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>>61022168
think about it
based on the exponential growth and development of science and technology
space faring is right around the corner
and we only mastered the skies a century ago


>>61022375
wat iz islamophobia xD

>>61023057
yeah
why not some subspace instant travel quantum singularity internet?

>>61023057

Seems kind of fundamental, like electricity.

>>61023827
>based on the exponential growth and development of science and technology space faring is right around the corner

How does this in any way provide any sort of proof of other intelligent life?

>>61023057

They would use light or something we haven't conceived of yet.

>>61023827
>Space faring

Yeah right. To get anywhere would take many, many years.. even with much greater technology.

In an infinite universe there are an infinite number of possibilities.

>>61024903

Incorrect.

Also, we don't live in an infinite universe.

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>>61024175
dude this is just an exercise to infer the true underlying nature of our cosmos
and until now, though alone, we're not handicapped
maybe you should ask, why do you want to find other intelligent lifeforms


>>61024311
space probes much?

>>61025514

It isn't an exercise, it is wild speculation and wishful thinking.

>>61019145
meant suitable for intelligent carbon based life

also it might be universe instead of galaxy

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what if everybody else in the universe is dead

>>61017789
I may not know much about ayylien politics, but one thing is for sure is that they have massive inter-species breeding grounds, probably what makes them advanced civilizations.

>>61025107
If the universe is expanding, who is to say it won't expand infinitely? Or will we slingshot back like a reverse big bang eventually?

This stuff boggles my fucking mind and makes me sad because I know I'll be long dead before the next happening, whatever it may be.

Why is everyone so stupid to assume aliens would be communicating through radio waves?

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>>61025663
just like a nuclear reactor, airplane, modern medicine...
all new age mumbo jumbo for the destitute of mind
I have a masters degree in mechanical engineering and the only wishful thinking I ever came across is if i were Hitler...

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>>61018176
>There are only 6 planets in the entire galaxy(?) that are suitable to carbon based life including our own

>>61026382

One of the going theories is that it will indeed expand infinitely. That does not mean that there are infinite possibilities. The more it expands, the less dense it becomes which actually dramatically reduces the number of possibilities. Also, there is a finite amount of mass in the universe, so even the possible combinations of all possible orientations of molecules is finite. Fuck off with your pseudo-science wishful thinking bullshit.

>>61017789
>And why the fuck hasn't SETI or SETI@home found anything?

Modern (human) communications are all encrypted. If you look at them without the key, they look like noise. There was only a very short period of human history where we broadcast unencrypted signals out into space, so expecting to find another civilisation going thru the same brief window like SETI does is pretty futile.

tl;dr- Law of Big Numbers.

>>61026762
>just like a nuclear reactor, airplane, modern medicine

These are not wishful thinking. These are developed based on known theories. Aliens are just wishful thinking based on nothing.

>>61027429
Fight me kid.

>>61028034

Any time.

>People still respond to Australians

Like if you cry every tiem :^)

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>>61027745
ayyy
either a troll or the cognitive dissonance is strong in this one
those were all the wildest dreams of the most insane of minds...

that "wishful" and "speculative" proprieties are nothing but a matter of perspective
fueled by ignorance...

>>61028915
>those were all the wildest dreams of the most insane of minds

You're beyond hope.

>>61017789
Communications Blackout established

Prime directives exists for them not to answer back, until proof of our advancement and capability to no freak out.

Ayy Lmaooo named Steb accidentally hit the reply button and Caused the WoW! incident.
He was promptly demoted and now works in waste disposal.

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>>61018152
Hopefully the Ancients.

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>>61017789

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>>61018667

>>61021905
>>4,540,001,820 years

Time it takes to pull this number out of your ass?

>4,206,980,085

>>61025514

Do you realize how big the universe is? We measure distance in light years, this is because light is the fastest thing out there, and cannot be matched. The nearest galaxy to us is 2.9 million light-years away...........................

>>61018424
>send simple message hoping for a return
>literal flood of shitposting in response

No wonder the they won't talk to us.

>>61017789
Monarchy.

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>>61019107
>mfw friendzoned by aliens

>>61025663
>>61027745
We don't have to travel outside of our fucking universe to be space faring. We have many planets that we can visit and fuck around on to build massive earth like cities and shit on. I'm sure its going to take some time but still more realistic than traveling lightyears.

>>61031434

Why are you quoting me and then providing a response to nothing I said?

>>61018731
It doesn't matter radio signals degrade over time. Thats why those fucking retards at SETI won't ever get anything.

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>>61031801
What

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>>61029942

My God, we have become Australians!

>>61031875
wat are you talking about

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>>61018176
>There are only 6 planets in the entire galaxy(?) that are suitable to carbon based life including our own.

>>61027429

>there is a finite amount of mass in the universe, so even the possible combinations of all possible orientations of molecules is finite

The same was once said about musical notes.

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>>61018667
Why turn this into a theological debate? Nobody wants to hear you preach. Thousands of religions since the dawn of man and all are story and myth but not yours no yours is true nobody else's is . Fuck off faggot

>>61033778

That makes no sense.

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what kind of satellite do we need to flood space with shitposting, and how much could /pol/ acquire to fund this project?

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>>61019797
>fattening up in a first world country chugging on mountain jew and staining your hands with doritos
>"Survival"
Fucking hell you silly bloody yank

>>61023543
>>that are quite likely to have both an atmosphere and liquid water on them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

this is why it's important

>>61027429
What is space expanding into?

What's on the edge of the universe? It's okay to debate, but fuck off if you think you can talk like you know everything. jesus.

>>61034032
The possible outcome of any combinations of molecules becomes infinite by increasing the amount of molecules

>>61036766

Space doesn't expand in to anything, because there isn't anything for it to expand in to.

>>61037436

There is a finite number of molecules.

>>61018857
Greys a best

Reptilians a shit

Ayy lmao

>>61019379
you're a fucking idiot. Believing in aliens and a higher power doesn't make it the only meaningful thing in your life you dolt.

I believe in aliens and the possibility of a higher power, if someone came out with evidence showing without a shadow of a doubt that god and aliens do not exist I wouldn't be "oh no what do I do with my life now!" they're just a part of life, not life itself you linear thinking mongoloid.

>>61038486
>I believe in aliens

Why.

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What if we are really alone in the universe, or that we're the only planet with anything more complex than amino acids and mud?

I know it would be hard to prove, because you can never have evidence of absence in a constantly expanding space, but how would people react to this? Would it be an epiphany, making people realize that we have to cherish our planet and our time here, or would it make people freak out that nothing bigger than themselves was 'out there' to guide them or take them in after they die?

>>61038649
I feel the possibility of them existing out weighs the possibility that they don't. Obviously that doesn't mean they do, But like I said if it were absolutely obvious they did not exist I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

In fact I'd find it interesting to find out for sure regardless of the conclusion.

>>61039058

Or it would galvanize the human race to forge a path into the unknown.

>>61039427
>I feel the possibility of them existing out weighs the possibility that they don't

Based on what?

>>61039692
I have a feeling there would be 3 factions

>intellectuals who would want to forge a new path into space
>religious people who don't believe it and try to stop technology at any cost
>people who feel lost and helpless

>>61039820
that we exist, I think the sole fact we exist proves it's possible for other sentient life to exist within an ever expanding universe.

does that mean they've been here? Possibly, I look at it as if we as humans found a planet with life we'd go check it out too and probably keep out of their affairs as best we could.

Now obviously there's a possibility we might be the furthest advanced race currently but that doesn't mean there isn't life out there.

Either way I just can't see us being the only living things in the entire universe.

>>61040597

The fact that we exist proves absolutely nothing about anything except that we exist.

>>61040054

Religious people may see it different than what you say, they could see it as a way to spread the word of god to more worlds. If they don't go to keep up religious attendance, who will believe any more?

I have a feeling that how it would actually turn out is poor people would eventually be left on this rock, while the rich and intelligent enter the unknown.

>>61040864
Nor does it disprove anything.

>>61037723
>One of the going theories is that it will indeed expand infinitely.

Ergo an infinite number of molecules.

The argument still stands
"In an infinite universe there are an infinite number of possibilities"

I not arguing that the universe is infinite.

>>61041040
I am not....

>>61040995

I'm not trying to disprove anything. I'm pointing out you are foolish for basing your belief on such a thing.

>>61041040
>Ergo an infinite number of molecules.

That is not what expansion is.

>>61018176
there are of course more than 6 planets in the galaxy capable of life, just by the statistics. but that isn't the dumb statement.

radio waves are given off by everything. it is one of the 4 forces. it is one of the most fundamental parts of science. if an alien civilization does pretty much anything it is going to start giving off radio waves. yea they probably won't be able to pick up our FM broadcasts, or NTSC TV broadcasts. but if they are listening they would be able to tell it isn't back ground noise. and the same with us.

>>61041565
What would increase then within the expansion?
What would be created within this new expanse?

>>61042388

Emptiness of space

>>61042388
Expansion is just the idea that the space between massive objects is expanding. It has nothing to do with creating new particles.

>>61025912
This can actually be one of the reason we seem to be the only one in the universe. Look at the Fermi paradox.

>>61039058
We would probably end creating life at some point and being the aliens.

Or maybe we're the first intelligent species to appear and other species will find ruins and shit from "that old misterious civilization that nobody knows what ended it"

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>>61017789

Hey OP here's the actual answer.

You the see the attached map? Okay, our current radio telescope tech could pick up a hugely powerful beacon deliberately directed right towards the sun from a pretty good ways across that disk. Assuming somebody 30,000 light years away miraculously knows where to point it.

But the real question here is, across what distance could we pick up another planet's radio emissions, assuming they were generally about as strong as the Earth's?

You see the tiny little blue dot that represents 200 light years? The answer, right now, is about one-two hundredth of that dot.

That's how far away SETI at home is seeing, in the absence of huge directed beacons being pointed at us.

If they build the square kilometer array, it will be able to pick up Earth-level radio from about one tenth the width of that dot.

>>61042836
Photons, quarks, gravity waves etc. occupy space.

>>61043080
Then particles and matter would gather on the inner surface of the universe and stop.

>>61044089

Well another theory is that the universe will collapse back in on itself due to gravity.

>>61044089
>>61044364

Adding, according to the law of conservation of mass, no matter is created or destroyed.

>>61022921

If it were true we, the general population, would not.

>>61044780
Doesn't quantum mechanics theorise the creation of matter from nothingness?

>>61045311

Quantum mechanics, in absence of other circumstances, does not allow for matter to appear. It only gives rise to virtual particles. In order to generate real particles we need real energy. That energy has to come from somewhere, even with QM being at work. One can, pro forma, account for the positive energy of matter with a negative energy term assigned to the background to make a zero balance, but that's just an accounting trick to make the current cosmological model work. It is by no means clear where this energy term comes from or what physical meaning it has.

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>>61017789

They would be Ancap master race. Only system that can feasibly scale to a type III

>>61018030
>we're the pioneers
>humans being pioneers of anything

Don't mean to burst your bubble but for the time the universe has been around, humans missed out on 99.9999 percent of time. We're way late to the party.

>>61017789
There's no such thing as ayy liens, anon. That's why nobody has ever found them. We are alone in the universe.

>>61045697
You cheated. You copy and paste.

>>61022921
lolno.jpg
Time hides everything. If there was a civilization in our solar system, all of its traces have been lost millions of years ago. Watch this documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUqHECc5rPo
All it takes is a couple of thousand years and all traces of humans are lost forever...
Exept the ones on the moon of course. Wich will be there for millions of years.

>>61046415

Late to what party? There's no plan. We could be the first, the last, or the only intelligent life.

>>61046479
Couldn't they be very far away?

>>61046600

I felt you deserved an actual answer, not something I would have muddled through.

>>61046872
Beyond ~14 billion light years away? I suppose, but then why aren't there any in the ~30 billion cubic light years we can see?

>aliens
>real
Aww, cute. Maybe stay from movies and games for a while :-)

>>61046872
Indeed, but having checked carefully under my desk chair I'm confident there's no such thing as icebergs.

>>61029063
airplanes were yeah

>>61018667
>God is in control.
All the video options are about a song by some cunt named Twila Paris.
That can't be what you're referring to

>>61047163
Russell's teapot is ironclad proof, and you cannot show otherwise.

>>61046841
Stop. Just stop.

There are trillions upon trillions of starsome with rocks floating around them. Even if it was a .01 percent chance they had life, the universe is teeming with it. Life finds a way.

Also don't forget the age of the universe. Or the fact that there is the universe and then the observable universe. Who knows what could be out there.

>>61046919
kek
The point that was being made wasn't proven.

At the end of the day it's all theory, and nobody knows for certain.
Thanks for the chat. I've enjoyed it.
It's about time I got some sleep. I've work in a few hours.
Goodnight anon.

>>61018176

Six... Where the hell are you getting six planets from?

The possible number of planets in something as large as our galaxy is in the tens to hundreds of millions. Google it.

>>61047405

I try not to base my thoughts about the universe on faith and what ifs.

>>61018667
>intelligent design

Out of trillions of star systems and billions of years, considering how long it took for us to come about, God fucking sucks at making us.

Human history is but an instant of time compared to how much has passed, there's no excuse it took this long.

>>61047405
There can't be life in a very young universe.

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>>61041448

This is probably a troll, but it's hard not to bite.

Based upon the universal prevalence of the molecules that form the basis of life. Based on the number of planets likely to exist in the habitable zone. Based upon the Copernican principle that our circumstances and placement are not unique.

The circumstances of early Earth are colossally unlikely to have been unique. Positing that they are requires many more assumptions and Occam's Razor cuts against it. What happened here is probably typical when conditions are right.

It's not proof, duh. But it's more than enough to suggest taking a look is worthwhile.

>>61047560
There are 8 million unique examples of life on this planet right now

There are more than 100 quadrillion stars. There are 50 life capable planets detected so far and we havent even looked at 1/10000 of the stars in THIS galaxy yet.

Good thing to know is that we can only detect planets when they orbit directly in front of their star from our point of view. Life existing elsewhere is an inevitability.

>>61047921

Anon, please see

>>61019847

>>61047399
>Russell's teapot

A teapot is indeed unlikely. But we have a clear instance of life arising on a single planet around a typical sun. That's not a teapot, it's an instance of self-perpetuating chemistry with clearly understood energetics and a reasonable framework for understanding the conditions under which it came about. It's a consequence of clear processes, the antecedents of which we observe universally.

Burden of proof is indeed upon those who would search, but I think Russell would have a hard time classing his teapot with a phenomenon for which there is in fact a precedent and a hypothesis of causation.

>>61048282
Cool. Show an example of artificial life created in a laboratory. Show an example of natural life having evolved independently from the process theorized to have given rise to life on earth.

After that, you can clarify just how typical the sun is, since it's pretty apparent that it's anything but. Then you can talk about how typical the Earth is, since I'm pretty sure Kepler showed it to be unique.

>>61017789
Aliens would probably be run by super intelligent ai's.