Ask a guy who just went to church voluntarily because of you

Was it the bastard Satanic ELCA or the true Lutheran church LCMS?

The LCMS SSPX and Orthodox churches need to stand together against the modernists before it destroys us all.

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>>59960219

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>>59960219
How do I get out of this chicken shit outfit?

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>>59960324
http://stjamespdx.org

That's the one I went to it was pretty traditional there was like things were I would go to some water or something and eat bread and with wine or something like that

There's a pretty good German influence here though, it's pretty cool. Next Sunday they are going to do some singing with Bach music or something like that all in German

>>59960219
How was it?

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>>59960518

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>2016
>not being a Jew

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>>59960219
hey lutheran bro LCMS here went to church as well this morning

>>59960219
Why do you go to a church that perpetuates the flood of Somalians and Muslim into the heartland? A piece of every tithe you give goes to Lutheran Social Services.

Also why do you believe in a heretical concept like the rapture?

>>59960219
Join a Christian Identity Church

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

>>59960544
Is there was a lot of singing lol. I dunno, there was a big snow day today, so there wasn't a lot of people here. The main pastor guy wasn't here either, so I don't know how different it was from the usual service. It was pretty bad though, me and the people that were there were talking a lot about northern European heritage, and Scandinavian Americans and German Americans and just talking about European culture and also Christianity

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Good choice

>>59960679
I left the Lutheran church in 2003 because of their support of Lutheran Social Services. Before that point I asked why "On the Jews and Their Lies" was not included in the official Luther bibliography in the church library. They told me they had no idea what that was and basically that the Missouri Synod did not acknowledge its existence.

>cucked

>>59960740
>>59960679
This is the one I went to:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._James_Lutheran_Church_(Portland,_Oregon)

Is it a blue pill or a red pill one? I don't know how these things work

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Honestly the real red pillers don't attend church.

They are a money grabbing scheme.

Besides if you took the redpill you would realize that religion is absolutely rediculous.

>>59960518
http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Kierkegaard-S%C3%B8ren/dp/0691019401/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1451851718&sr=8-2&keywords=kierkegaard+books

Seems pretty decent for ELCA.

I recommend reading some theology by yourself now that you are one of us. The church lately has become very feminine and I find individual study to be more useful. Though Its important to be a part of a church I lately tend to read and study on my own.


http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Kierkegaard-S%C3%B8ren/dp/0691019401/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1451851718&sr=8-2&keywords=kierkegaard+books

>>59960219
>be christian
>can't follow your bible
>can't follow the alleged words of your god
I honestly wonder how can you deal with this.

>>59960854
>Portland
Take a guess

>>59960869
Thanks bro

Why do you give in to peer pressure so easily?

>>59960219
What did the jew worshipping judeo-christian heretic tell you?

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>>59960854
have no idea i only know that
Wels church = Super Conservative in a weird way
LCMS = Conservative
ELCA = Bunch of the damned who replaced god with satan

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>>59961035
I hope you're not an atheist because atheism is way more reliant on peer pressure than christianity.

how do you respond to the fact that all the "prophecies" quoted in the gospels about Jesus actually make no fucking sense if you read them in context.

Matthew especially takes the most random shit sections of OT scripture and warps them to make it sound like it's predicting the birth of Jesus, when in reality it could be nothing further from that.

>>59961035
I'm honoring my European heritage by participating in something that shaped European and Western civilization.

Let's face it, every white male should be culturally question. Especially in this day and age.

But realistically whatever your race is, I say you should be culturally Christian.

Then again, can Christianity coexist with the post-enlightenment?

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>>59960864
>tfw Jesuit educated at Georgetown
>tfw I minored in Theological Studies because my Jesuit professors were so based
>mfw I am not religious at all
>mfw I drank whiskey with my based Jesuit professors

>>59960854
Seems like a red pilled organization of the Blue pilled denomination.

The LCMS is traditional and the ELCA is the modernist one.

But it sounds like yours is actually traditional.


>>59960826
actually LCMS doesn't even condemn it they just point to anther quote. Some of the other branches do condemn the book.
"We in The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod " condemn any and all discrimination against others on account of race or religion or any coercion on that account and pledge ourselves to work and witness against such sins." We join Luther who in his last sermon said of the proper Christian attitude toward the Jewish people, " We want to treat them in Christian love and pray for them..."

Why Lutheran?

>>59961159
But God doesn't exist though.

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>>59961307
You are sure ?

>>59960972
Elaborate, and don't bring up the Old Testament unless it's moses' laws

>>59960740
>trusting wikipedia on things that are true

>>59960854
No, no hyphenated Christianity churches are "red pilled".

>>59961165
???
>when in reality it could be nothing further from that.
Explain.

>>59961264
Because Catholics are heretics praying to Marry and the other Saints telling you not to read the bible and shit

>>59961218
>>59961123
Got it bros, thanks a lot. Yeah this one seems pretty traditional, but I will ask questions about that traditional vs modern stuff. I do want to attend a traditional thing so, so far so good... but yeah I will ask about that stuff

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>>59961264
Because he's a heretic, obviously.

>>59960679
>jew wants to convert and not be jewish anymore
>gets killed by some fat jerk

Luther really was a fucking asshole.

>>59961370
Yeah, pretty sure.

>>59961423
Why not? If you throw out the Old Testament (which is also not jewish, but White, mind you) you're throwing out 2/3 of the Word of God.
>>59961500
>worshipping idols
Why? Why would you do this?

>>59961370
If he does, he'd understand the reasons why we couldn't believe.

>>59961264
Lutheran heritage, German relatives and grandparents.

I grew up in a secular home, but after coming here I realized that I should go to church to help retain my Western values.

Secularism is of course a Western value, and fax secularism is health which separates the west from the Middle East and shit like that, but at the same time I think it is good to help identify with your Christian heritage and one way or the other

>>59961441
Don't you think you should of done some research before making the most important decision in your life?

>>59961434
Thomas Paine painstakingly goes through each so called prophecy about Jesus in the 4 gospels and shows how obviously bullshit they are.
http://www.deism.com/paine_essay_false_prophecies_of_jesus_1.htm

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>>59961174
Christianity must lead a counter revolution.
There was a growing movement but obviously the leftists literally killed all party members after the war so the only people left are people who rediscover it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rexist_Party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integralism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Maurras

Follow the links for more info and obviously if you are interested search amazon for the source material and go deeper.

>>59961443
The LCMS and ECLA divide is a lot like the Vatican II divide in the Roman Catholic church. The modernists took over and changed everything. Then some based pastors basically left and created the LCMS and SSPX in protest waiting for the church to return to form. But their are plenty of people with in both Roman Catholic mainline and ELCA who support traditional teachings and practice. The difference is that its not official position of the institution.

>>59961307
We don't have any factual data to make that claim, just like we can't tell that w/e God is real but people are free to believe what they want.
>>59961423
Distancing yourself from the OT is part of the problem and even in the NT there is a lot of stuff incompatible with the hypocritical modern "Christian" lifestyle (divorce, materialism, women's rights, etc).

I'm not a christian expert just friend with a christian.

>>59961506
jews are fucking assholes they killed jesus they even got to see 1st hand jesus signs and still denied him.

Even though it was necessary for him to die. still..

>>59961533
The worship of statues of statues is forbidden, but it is not forbidden to have a religious use of statues.

You proddies just don't seem to have any grasp over comprehension.

>>59961533
Christians don't follow it, and the entire basis of Christianity is the disavowing of the Old Testament.

But please, rev up those quotes and select passages from it to criticize the Jews

>>59961562
That's near pointless. Your kids will go through the same fedora phase as anyone in puberty and if you then can't answer why you believe what you believe you'll lose them

>>59960219
Good for you man, I hope you learnt something

>>59961680
>and even in the NT there is a lot of stuff incompatible with the hypocritical modern "Christian"
Positive Christianity was rejected in traditional societies, of which we now very few.

>istancing yourself from the OT is part of the problem
I do not follow the Hebrew Bible, but I will take the ten laws of Moses from it, the Jews can keep everything else in their nullified pretend religion of the Talmud.

Apparently the super cucked Lutheran churches in Scandinavia do actually have a lot of Swedish nationalists attending. Too bad the youth is totally corrupted there.

>>59961590
i also disagree with pennants and other stuff.
Their is no action you can do to redeem you of sin because it has already been paid for by christ.
That doesn't mean you can run around being a Asshole and committing sins though because it can damage your faith

>>59961722
When I converted to Orthodox Christianity my Lutheran relatives freaked out over this.

They can't understand the notion of Saints and relics enhancing the worship of God rather than detracting from it.

>joining a religion because a bunch of autists on /pol/ told you to

How weak-willed do you have to be to do this? Jesus fucking christ.

>>59961506
>jew
>convert and not be jewish anymore
Jews are a race of people. They have dna. There are atheist jews.
>>59961590
?
>>59961722
Don't you bow to statues?
>>59961733
No, it's not. The Old Testament is not jewish.

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>>59960219
>Lutheran
Do you live in Minnesota by chance?

Also, I have been wanting to attend church because of /pol/ as well. Did you research the church first to make sure it wasn't Spanish/Black people church?

Why should a person want to believe?

>>59961909
>pennants
What does that mean? Sorry don't know that word

>Their is no action you can do to redeem you of sin because it has already been paid for by christ.
For real. Read the fucking catholic stance before condeming solely based on memes

>>59961899
The Jews didn't write the Old Testament, Israelites are White people. Hebrews are not Jews, Hebrews are thus White people.

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>>59962050
The Old Testament is not jewish.
>>59962156
>Israelites are White people. Hebrews are not Jews

>>59961205
Mfw jesuits were only recently allowed into the kingdom of norway

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>>59962026
>not joining a religion because a bumble bee meme scientist told you not to or you are a dummy.

How weak-willed do you have to be to do this?

>>59960726
Pretty sure Lutherans don't believe the rapture bull shit

>>59962050
>Don't you bow to statues?
Bowing != worship

Ask any Japanese when they say hello to you.

Again, wilful ignorance.

>>59962117
penance. He misspelled it.

Its when you say 5 hail maries to atone for a sin or stuff like that.

>>59962082
Anon if you want to see what the Lutheran Church is doing to Minnesota go to St. Cloud for a weekend.

>>59962386
I was raised in a Lutheran church and was taught the rapture since Sunday school classes.

>>59962385
I've never read a word the man's written mate. I'm not a Christian because I don't believe in miracles, simple as. Doesn't mean I don't live by broadly Christian values.

>>59962264
I love how people never actually respond to this, they just post a reaction image with the quote.

Josephus' Antiquities 12.5.1 says the Israelites appeared no different from Greeks.
King David was called ruddy, which means "to show blood in the face, i.e. flush or turn rosy".
Esau, the grandson of Abraham and the brother of Jacob, the progenitor of the Israelites had red hair.
There are Egyptian depictions of Israelites with red and blonde hair, and blue eyes.

Israelites are Hebrews, and if Israelites are White, Hebrews are White.

>>59962437
"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;" Exodus 20:5

It doesn't matter what else you say about it, if you so much as bow to them, you are breaking a commandment. And, according to that verse, those who bow to idols hate God.

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>Lutheran "Church"

>>59962472
What do you mean by this post?

So Lutheran Church = bad/jew/blue pill? I'm only halfway through this thread.

Also I'm living in South Minneapolis

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>>59962453
thank you
also what's with the lighting of candles for marry and other saints??

>>59960324
Half of LCMS wants to suck a liturgical dancer's dick just like ELCA.

The other half of LCMS should join with WELS/ELS/CLC but only after they all figure out why they mistake universal atonement for justification.

>>59962671
>It doesn't matter what else you say about it, if you so much as bow to them, you are breaking a commandment.
No this refers to worship other Gods. Respecting the believers of the same God as you is a totally different thing

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>>59960219
>It was a Lutheran Church

So you want to go to hell then?

>>59960324
>One of the few Lutherans in Australia
>Tfw Lutheran Church of Australia was heavily influenced by LCMS and opposes all forms of degeneracy

Feels good man.

>>59962386

They dont. Evangelicals are the nutjobs who push that crap.

Anyway OP good choice. Try to attend an LCMS church but if you are at a very traditional ELCA church you should be ok, as long as you make sure to have a very thorough conversation with the Pastor to ensure the chirch is really traditional.

Besides studying Luther's small catechism and the Bible, I also recommend that you and any other Lutherans here read 'The Fire and the Staff'. It is an excellent book written by a Lutheran pastor who listed the differences between the word of God and what evangelicals teach in their kangaroo churches. It is essential reading imo because it gives a great analysis of the faults of the evangelical churches, which you will run into alot in this country.

>>59962671
Put this in context, it refers to the worship of different Gods. God condemned the carving of statues for the sake of worshipping them as idols

>>59962671
Levantese aren't H'white, they're Arab not Caucasoid. You could say they're "Aryan" or honorary Aryan in certain instances. But with the Hebrews and their forays into Canaanite and Phoenician culture I would not consider them so. Persians however would be Aryan but not white for instance.

>>59962774
St. Cloud has a huge, parasitic population of Somalian "refugees". They've destroyed the city and are currently doing the same to Fargo. All of them are brought in by Lutheran Social Services. A non-profit supported largely by the Lutheran churches in our area.

Read "The Orthodox Way" by Bishop Ware if you're interested in red-pilled Christianity.

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>>59963017
How did a Nordic religion spread to so many non whites?

>>59960219
>Protestant church
waste of time 2bh

>>59962872
Exodus 20:3-6 :
"3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them (any graven image), nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Thus:
Thou shalt not bow to any graven image, for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

"If ye love Me, keep My commandments." - John 14:15.

>>59963345
Didn't mean to quote

>>59962810
Its a form of prayer. They light a candle a way of asking a Saint to pray to Christ on their behalf.

Its more to aid in meditation than to have some sort of power. They aren't praying to saints (they aren't supposed to). They ask them to pray on their behalf as a way of showing humility before god.

But i'm not catholic so maybe one will show up to explain it better.

"The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart."

- Martin Luther, Sermon - September 1, 1522

It makes for good bants tho.

>>59962944
well played dude. Glad you were able to rise above your peers and realize what is going on in society.

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>>59963399
>>59963345
It pisses me off too that the church in Europe and the US will let countries like Sweden and Denmark go full blown atheist and refuse to try to convert it back.

They send people to Africa though no problem.

>>59963060
>Levantese
I'm saying the Israelites who were there were not Levantine, they were Aryans. Not "arabs". Aryan means White. Hebrews are White. Read the post again.

People are talking "LCMS" and ELCA but they're both american things?? Does anybody outside America know what they are? Which is more "traditional" ?

>>59961692
>jews are fucking assholes
Oh are you a judge now?

You'd deny the people who need saving the most, the opportunity to be saved by throwing them off a bridge to their death?

I think /pol/ is starting to become satire at this point.

>>59963168
Thanks I'll check it out.

And ah I see. Yeah it's crazy to think that they're all "refugees" brought in. There's just so fucking many of them.

Do you happen to know of any good churches in minneapolis? I'm looking on google maps now

>>59960219


Why worship a dead kike on a stick and not glorious Neo-Paganism?

>>59963356
We don't worship the idols we respect the saints depicted for their service to God

>>59964062
Christianity is the one that unified Europe m8

It is what it is

>>59963701
ELCA is the unification of the Swedish Lutheran Church, Finnish and Danish as well as some other smaller groups.

So basically this group is more likely to be impressed with the lesbian bishop of Stockholm turning the church into a mosque.

The LCMS left this group in the 50s after women priests and gay marriage stuff became prominent issues.

The LCMS is THE traditional church similar to the SSPX in Catholicism. The ELCA is the modernist , bless gay marriages, church more inline and more extreme than pope Francis.

I'm sure countries like Sweden and Germany have small traditional luthern churchs but I'm not familiar enoughto name them.

>>59963633
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." John 14:15

"But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matt. 15:14

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matt. 10:5-6

"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you." John 20:21

>>59963711
>deny the people who need saving the most
The jews are not Israel. Read my above reply.

>>59964062
Read my post: >>59962671
>>59964062
Jesus was a White Aryan. If you want your ancestors' religion, you should be a Christian.

>>59964098
Nope, even so much as "bowing" to graven images is a sin. It says "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them NOR serve them" as in, it is still a sin with the first option. So, you can read the next sentence going off of "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them". Even if the next sentence didn't somehow apply, it still says "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them OR".

>>59964278
>Christianity is the one that unified Europe


Into eternal cuckdom.


Also how's the EU doing nowadays?

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>>59960614
>2016
>Not being mehmet

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>>59963648
In further findings the Hebrews were considered Caucasoid and thus white. However the term Aryan isn't a racial classification but a term meaning "noble". And in the case of the Hebrews this doesn't seem applicable, rather the opposite with their adoption of repugnant and horrific Canaanite culture.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2236-ba-al-and-ba-al-worship
>It would appear that the Hebrews first learned Ba'al-Worship from the agricultural Canaanites. Their life before the conquest of Canaan, whether lived in or outside of Palestine, was nomadic, and therefore kept them beyond the circle of religious associations promoted by the cultivation of the soil. After their settlement the Israelites began to live as did the people of the land, and with the new mode of industrial and domestic life came the example and the incitement of the religious use and wont that were inseparable from the soil. The stated festivals, in which the Ba'als of the land had drawn to themselves all the enthusiasm and devotion of an intensely religious people, were a part of the fixed order of things in Palestine, and were necessarily appropriated by the religion of Yhwh. With them came the danger of mixing the rites of the false gods and the true God; and, as a matter of fact, the syncretism did take place and contributed more than anything else to the religious and moral decline of Israel.

Now, did the Hebrews all become unanimously Jewish after some time. As the Romans expelled every Jew from Israel so did that encompass all of the Hebrews as well?

>>59960219

Are Americans this maniputable that they can't even think for themselves?

>>59964489
It's not a graven image it's an image of a christian. Why would God have a problem with that?

>>59962082
>make sure it wasn't spanish/black people church
The fuck is wrong with you? God doesn't give a shit what your skin tone is.

>researching churches
Do you think people just plop their ass at the nearest pew in town and say 'im this religion now'?

Anyone that gives a shit will go to several different churches in their area and stick with the one that preaches in line with how they interpret the text.

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>>59960219
last tine I went to a Catholic service was a funerl for my cousin.
The priest was effeminate and his openly homosexual son gave the eulogy which was like a gay pride rally speech.

The mass itself and bible translation used neutered sjw terminology the whole thing was off-putting.

I felt like I needed to apologize to God for attending in case I gave anyone the impression my attendance was approval .

catholic Church has been compromised

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windswept_House:_A_Vatican_Novel

>>59964657
R A R E
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>>59964811
Why do you need a church just to read a book? It's not even very good. The book that is, some of the churches are masterpieces of architecture and should be turned into museums for the enjoyment of all, not gathering points for extremists and radicals.

>>59963701
>>59964325
What he said
Heres the story
>The LCMS joined with the ELCA when it was still somewhat conservative or they lied to us to encourage us to join them
>ELCA became increasingly liberal
>LCMS had some liberal parasites due to ELCA influence
>LCMS cuts off from ELCA
>LCMS liberals want to make LCMS like ELCA
>LCMS have a protest and we kick them out
>They join the ELCA
>LCMS wants to join WELS church
>WELS Church don't want anything to do with us because we were affiliated with the ELCA
thats kinda the story

>>59961506
They never actually convert. The Spaniards created the inquisition to stamp out the fake converts that stayed behind after the Jewish expulsions.

>>59964811

Yes he does. The blacks don't have souls.

>>59964594
>jewishencyclopedia
Here's a tip, don't trust jews. Hebrews aren't just "White" they are White Aryans. It is a racial classification, here's my response I made to another post saying "Aryan isn't a racial classification".

>They hate the word "Aryan" because Hitler said it. Obviously the Indo-Europeans were White and blue-eyed as well, given the current Europeans are supposed to be their descendants, aren't they? And if they're not, why should they make Aryan suddenly not mean what it originally meant? Why do they think they were Iranians? Scythians were blonde haired, and blue eyed. What makes you think Aryans or Indo Europeans weren't White, if Europeans are descended from them? Or are they not? If so, why not just keep the term Aryan? I'm pretty sure Indo European means Europeans descended from them.

>>59964594
>adoption of reugnant and horrific Canaanite culture.
When was this? They never adopted Canaanite culture.. Or, when did they ever worship ba'al?

>Now, did the Hebrews all become unanimously Jewish after some time.

Hebrews are the descendants of Eber, a White man. "Jewish" and "jew" in the Bible should read Judean. If by "Jewish religion" you would mean "talmudism", then no, they never became talmudic. Jews, as the word refers to today are really Canaanite-Edomites. At the time of Christ, Judea was populated mostly by Edomites, and then a remnant of Israelites that came back after the Babylonian captivity.

>>59964666
It's idol worship. I didn't make it up. I'm pretty sure "graven image" includes a statue.

>>59965409
The Slavs also have blond hair and blue eyes, as can the Persians. The Slavs are sometimes considered Aryan and sometimes not, it's not a racial classification but a term denoting nobility and excellence.

>>59965409
It's not worship. This commandment is to stop you from worshipping anything else but God. Respecting someone because he was a good christian doesn't take away from that

>>59962846
>liturgical dancer's

Welp, I shouldn't have searched that on YouTube...

Is this really a thing or just some fringe stuff?

>>59965637
Well, whatever it is, it is a sin, according to God. I have proven this. Ignore what I said, just look at the verse:
"Thou shalt not bow to any graven image, for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"

>>59965618
aryanism isn't totally about being blonde hair blue eyes that's just liberal talk trying to divide and conquer. Yes a goal was set for blonde hair blue eyes because it would distinguish our people from the rest but you should also take the smartest and the strongest of the brunets and just try and mask the brunets whilst keeping the good genes in the pool

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>>59960679

Luther - fucking based. Hes one of the boys. The good team.

>>59965618
The word Aryan was ""changed"" to mean Indo-European, when in fact Indo-Europeans were, I believe, descendants of Israelites and ancestors of modern Europeans. By "Aryan" I mean "Indo-European". The Israelites don't just "have blonde hair and blue eyes" they're White Aryans. Why shouldn't Aryan just mean White?

>>59965883
>for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God; of them that hate me
You have it right there. We don't worship the saints we worship God by admiring good christians

>>59960679


How can catholics even compare?

>>59960219
"hurr durr prayin 2 mary"
Statues of St. Joseph and St. Mary right there on the left.

>>59966279
idk they kinda got the history and more money to build beautiful structures

>>59966209
Man, you're avoiding just what it says. Like I said, even if the next sentence were to somehow not apply to the first option, which it does I'm pretty sure, the first option would STILL be breaking the Ten Commandments.

Not the second sentence, the second part I mean, but "for <punishment> goes to those who hate me, is "the reason"(not *the* reason) to not commit either of the options. One being "do not bow to any graven image".

It is saying "[Thou shalt not bow to any graven image] for <...> goes to them that hate me."
"Them that hate me" is obviously in reference to those disobeying either option. And I say again, even if the second part did not apply, it would still be a sin in the Ten Commandments.

>>59966398

fuck the money. I mean, the thins Lutherans originally stood for were beyond based. When did a pope ever said anything against the jews so much like Luther?
Lutherism preached law, order, education, self-improvement, anti-semitism, anti materialism, anti usery, even eugenics!
why doesn't the catholic church preach such things? or why didn't they at least preach those things before?

>>59966209
Oh, also, do you read your bible in German? Because that's saying "Thou shalt not bow down to any graven image, for <punishment> goes to those that hate me." The punishment is for bowing to the graven image, and the punishment is also for those that hate Him.

It is saying "those that hate me" in reference to those who bow to graven images.

>>59966805
dude you forgot gospel.
The the Catholics were teaching that you could get your sins forgiven if you did actions for God and stuff that's like the biggest reason luther separated he didn't even want to separate tho he just wanted reform

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i know being a christian is the hottest and lowkey meme of /pol/ entering 2016.

i know this board is satire but my family is historically catholic.

I do however want to get in touch with my roots and follow the church, to belong to or maybe find a nice girl to settle down with one day.

what can i expect on my first day inside a catholic church as someone who has never been baptized?

>>59966899
>>59966743
In german it says you shall not make you a graven image (the word used for graven image means a thing you worship)
I explaned you trice why it's not idol worship. Repeating no you're wrong again won't prove anything.

>>59967071

i know. he still gets shit and hate from catholics as if he wanted that all these degenerate sects of today exist, and who call themselves ''protestants'' - The only protestants are the Lutherans, the others, Calvinists, Anglicans, Baptists etc. those are actually real heretics. They misused and bastardized Luthers ideas in order to create their ''Churches''.

>>59967225
>what can i expect on my first day inside a catholic church as someone who has never been baptized?
Boring sermons.

>>59967303
agreed they just took advantage of the chaos that luther started and they just wanted to be their own little pope

>>59960219
How does it feel to be literally influenced by contrarian groupthink?

>>59960219
where did they touch you?

>>59967287
>>59967287
Uh, do you know what "graven image" means? I'm pretty sure it means an image, that is graven. Which would include a statue, would it not?

If so, if it includes a statue, God said "Thou shalt not bow to a statue". Is a statue not a graven image? A statue is surely considered a graven image, because it is an image that is graven.

Also, I didn't say it needed to be "idol worship" I just said that out of my mouth. What's important is what Exodus 20 says. Exodus 20, as I have demonstrated says not to bow to a graven image. Statues are graven images, are they not?

I'm not saying "no you're wrong" I'm quoting Exodus 20.

>>59967578
Do you always misuse the word literally when you're trying to sound smart, or only during internet arguments?

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>>59967829
Do you always use ad hominem attacks when you're trying to dodge an argument?

>>59967828
>Uh, do you know what "graven image" means
I literally translated the german word used for you

>Which would include a statue, would it not?
NO. It means an objext you worship.

>What's important is what Exodus 20 says
I TOLD YOU WHAT IT SAYS

>I'm not saying "no you're wrong" I'm quoting Exodus 20
Except that Exodus 20 agrees with me

>I'm pretty sure it means
>Is a statue not a graven image? A statue is surely considered a graven image, because it is an image that is graven.
Never mind you smug condescending autist. It's not like you're willing to overthink your position anyway.

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>>59960219
Modern churches looks like shit.

What the hell happened to good taste for fuck's sake

>>59968445
its because all of the good churches were built to last...
the shitty ones got tore down

>>59960219
If not troll...

How were the people? How was the singing? Did you like/agree with what the priest was preaching?

LCMS isn't traditional, just conservative. There are a lot of evangelical Lutheran churches that are more traditional.

>>59960219
enjoy bending over for a middle eastern jew

>>59968445
shut up messi fagg

How does it feel knowing that neo-Nazis and racist trolls on the internet are capable of influencing your life decisions?

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>>59968975
You are a gentleman and a scholar

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>Protestant church

>>59966078
Luther was horribly misguided. He lead Christians into heresy and atheism and was a hateful anti-semite. God have mercy on his soul.

>>59960219
Still going to hell Protestant filth.

I dont think Ive been to church in damn near 4 years

>>59960219
>It was a Lutheran Church
>Lutheran
>Church
You shall burn in hell heretic! Repent and return to the Holy Mother Church!

> tfw an alcoholic going to confession
"Lower your voice, son!"

Such is life as a sinner

>>59969273
Luther understood the Bible and Christianity better than every other so-called Christian during that period, you heretic.

>>59960324
>Was it the bastard Satanic ELCA

Looks like it
>As a congregation of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, St. James welcomes people of all races, cultures, ethnicities and, as a Reconciling in Christ congregation, people of all sexual orientations and gender identities.

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>>59964325
>>59965117

>The LCMS left this group in the 50s
That's not accurate. LCMS never was part of the ELCA. The LCMS doesn't want to join WELS so much as it would like WELS to return to fellowship with the LCMS as they were before the 1950s.

Also the ELCA only formed in 1987 after decades of mergers among various churches, mostly differentiated along ethnic/language lines but also with some differences in terms of how they related to the state churches of the countries they left.

>>59960219
I go to church every sunday and i don't even believe in god.
It's just nice to be surrounded by good people.

>>59960219
>not Orthodox

>>59960219
Whats the main difference between an Lutheran church and a Catholic church?

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Denomination doesn't matter, christian is christian.

Look in the kitchen to see who is handing out coffee and donuts.

Those ladies who work the kitchen in the back is why men have to be assholes. Keeping those ladies safe is what being white is about. Its feeling the blood rush to your face when you read a story about one of those little old ladies getting punched or robbed.

Its about freedom too, but the end goal is to keep those saint who give everyone the benefit of the doubt safe thats it.