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Why is gerrymandering allowed?

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Why is gerrymandering allowed?
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>>42717605
Because America's election system is a joke and will never be fixed because "muh constitution".
Enjoy your slow decline into madness.
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Because there is no way to stop it. Someone has to draw lines through areas of diverse geography and population density.
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>>42717605

because population centers are not in rectangles like your retarded picture implies
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you have to split the ridingS in some way so that the population is more or less equal but the extent to whigh policy makers go out of their way to make sure they win ridings is borderline treason.
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Don't worry guys. With mandatory voting come up this will all be fixed!
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>>42717605
because formulating a district involves more than just political affiliations and voting which can change over time. there are also utility reasons, public interest, police, school, tax, and road reasons.
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So I don't have to pay taxes to niggers or hispanics and be put in a better district
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>>42717686

what exactly is up with that anyway?
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>>42717664
You're right, this makes a lot more sense.
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>>42717750
It does you just don't know about Texas very well. It isn't new york
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Better question: why does America still votes in district?

How can many thousands of people living in a "district" be represented by a single person?
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Because you can win an election with it. Hungary also had some excessive gerrymandering going on even though they would've won anyway. It helped Fidesz get 2/3s and the ability to alter the constitution, and also lots of critique for that. They went all out.
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>>42717605

Yeah because only republicans do it, give me a fucking break.
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>>42717992
because that's how a republic works

how are you represented?
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>>42717655
Google maps, census data, open source program - auto generated. Problem solved.

Oh, they don't WANT the problem solved.

Well then yer fucked.
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>>42717750

looks like this democrat drawn one
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>>42718044

im represented by your mom with my dick in her mouth
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>>42718044
>because that's how a republic works
Doesn't have to.
In fact most republics don't work like that at all.

>how are you represented?
By political view, rather than geographic locations.

I have a lot more in common with someone who shares my views but lives in the other side of my country than with my neighbor.
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>>42717605
The only people who can solve this stupidity are the same people put in power by it. So it's never gonna get solved.

Same as with about 90% of our other problems.
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if districting were fixed, 'red' areas would get even more votes.

just look at commiefornia. 40%+ of the state is still republican, yet the entire state goes communist every time. just fixing that one state would ensure no democrat ever won the WH again. new york state is much the same way. lots of conservatives in that state have to put up with their state forever going commie.

the fact of the matter is, there are still far more conservatives in the US, than commies. so go ahead, fix districting. please.
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>>42717655
Kinda like the Mafia deciding who can sell what where.
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>>42718177
>Netherlands
>16.8 million people
>41k km^2
Just New York is 3x your size m8, with only a little more people. (19.8mil)

If America was ran like the EU it'd be terrible.
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>>42718200
So wait, the state is majority non-Republican, and "100%" of the time votes non-Republican. Yet you see this as a problem. Are you a dumb goy or what?
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>>42717750
<3 Austin
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>>42718177

the president is elected by the political view of all the states

the senators are elected by the political view of one state

the house of representatives are elected by the political view of one district of a state
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Could the US system work with anything but FPTP? I don't know enough about where the states come into it or if the popular vote actually counts at all.

Would it be possible to use STV or MMP? Anything's better than first past the post
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>>42718357
"Not Republican" is not the same as "Democrat".
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>>42718307
>New York is 3x your size

And has 27 districts.

We have just one, which works perfectly.
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>>42718177
Netherlands is a lot smaller (size and population-wise) than the US though.

Imagine if you voted liberal and you got a liberal from Turkey representing you. That's what it'd be like if somebody from Massachusetts elected a liberal from California.

Sure there would be some overlap, but there would still be huge differences in what that elected official would prioritize
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>>42718426
You are bad at logic. He said 40%+ of the state was Republican, which implies 60%- is non Republican. He then got butthurt the state supports non-Republican over Republican views.

Never did anyone say Democrat, not sure where you're trying to push your autism from.
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>>42717605
>Why is gerrymandering allowed?

why is the electoral college allowed?
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>>42718407
>political view of all the states

So 100% of Americans share Obama's political views?

And everybody feels represented by their two senators, even if they are both Democrats and they voted Republican?
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>>42718177

As I understand it the US voting system isn't designed to represent to view of the people. Rather it's there so all the states feel happy and don't want to secede.

The US is wildy disproportionate in almost all areas of their voting system, and a lot of their institutions like the electoral college don't belong in a democratic country
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>>42717605
because democracy is bullshit
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>>42718436
Literally wealth distribution predicts social cohesion. America is bogged down with psychopaths at the top and brown people at the bottom, neither of which are allowed to happen in the Netherlands. If the NL ever starts going into recession, you'll see redistricting
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>>42718467
>Imagine if you voted liberal and you got a liberal from Turkey representing you.

Rather a liberal from Turkey than a conservative from my home village.
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>>42718200
If districting (and the electoral college) was fixed, there would never have been a George W Bush as president.

We'd be in a much better place. Even though Al Gore was an idiot, Bush was even worse.
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>>42718571
Then why doesn't your country join with the Turkish government
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>>42718200

It just seems like theres more conservatives because baby boomers (old white people) vote in droves. They are also the majority in the flyover states so they are disproportionally represented. They hate gays, brown people, marijuana, and abortion. Republicans latched on to these hates and got them to vote against their own financial interests because who people fuck and people getting high is somehow more important than a stable retirement or healthcare.
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>>42718467
>>42718571

Also : I never said abolish your states.
States are alright I guess.
(btw: when are they going to gerrymander the states? clearly Florida shouldn't be that shape)


But voting districts are retarded.
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>>42717605
Because regional populations change.
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>>42718527
Unless you're going to elect Christopher Walken, or some shit, you're never going to find someone who everyone is content to be represented by. Best you can hope for is a majority.

Gerrymandering just prevents an honest majority, and manufactures them where they don't exist.
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>>42718650
Except our districts aren't based on regional populations - their drawn based on who votes for team red or team blue.
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This is all because of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The Democrats used the Act to create artificially black heavy districts. In an attempt to get blacks into Congress. The Act also made all the other districts really fucking white. Though most blacks don't bother voting unless it is a Presidential election year. So everyone in Congress stays white. Both the parties keep reshaping districts to keep their seats.

Look at California, they supposedly "fixed" gerrymandering. Republicans went from a realistic minority that can some times get power, to complete insignificance. The Democrats suddenly had super majority in the California state legislature and state senate.
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>>42718119
Good thing guns are illegal there. More of them will die.
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>>42718552
>If the NL ever starts going into recession, you'll see redistricting

We've just been through a terrible recession.
We still don't have districts, all votes are counted equally.
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>>42718552
We just went through several years of recession.
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>>42718624
Well then imagine you're in Haarlem and you vote for a liberal, but get a liberal from Amsterdam.

While your priorities may be schools and roads in Haarlem, but that politician is focused on his home constituency, Amsterdam
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>indirect voting
>representative
All hail America, the beacon of democracy.
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>>42718765
We have provincial and municipal elections too.
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the federal government needs to be abolished and the US should split up into at least 9-13 differnet subregions.

it's going to happen, they might as well get started now. I mean, just look at how things are now. I, as a conservative, absolutely do not consider any obama-supporter as an actual constitution honoring American. I see them as usurpers and agents of 'change'. they literally want to change the US from a freedom loving republic, into some sort of socialist shit hole akin to Sweden, or worse.

There will come a time when this change/conflict turns massively bloody. If these politicians were adults, they would immediately begin the process of balkanizing the US. It's the only way to keep the US from completely imploding into a civil war torn, 3rd world shitpile.
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>implying the majority of Americans didn't vote red in the 2014 midterms
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>>42718713
Odd, given that the redistricting here was a republican led plan.

If you wanna see the opposite effect - look at Texas, Montana, or Wyoming.
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>>42718765

Isn't this what state legislature is for
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>>42717746
Americans barely vote anymore despite claims that they are the land of freedom and democracy
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>>42718794
Some things can only happen on the federal level, since that's where a lot of infrastructure money comes from.

And districts are used for state elections as well.
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>>42718723
>Because gun laws will ever work.
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>>42718653
>you're never going to find someone who everyone is content to be represented by.

Exactly.

Which is why FPTP is dumb to begin with.
Proportional representation is the only true representation.

We have more than 10 parties in parliament with new ones springing up almost every election.
Pretty much everybody is content with their representation.
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>>42718824
Even taking that into account, the faith in the vote is much higher here than it has any reason to be.

The fact that anyone goes out to vote at all is kind of mind boggling, when you look at how the game is rigged from every direction.
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>>42718734
>we've just been through a terrible recession
Going from 10% growth to 5% is not a recession. In one year over here like 50% of the wealth in retirement funds was wiped out by defaults. 29 Trilllion dollars (with a T) was exchanged for how much banks were fucking everything.
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>>42718765
Which is why national issues are dealt with on a national level, and local issues on a local level.
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>>42718723
At least we don't die to fucking niggers
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>>42718837
First past the post is pretty undemocratic on its own. Representative voting would work a lot better, the only problem is barely anything gets done when you have to pander to the wants of 5 different parties with similar numbers of seats.
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>>42718839
Can't do that with just two parties, that are in reality, just one party. The game's so rigged that isn't going to change in any of our lifetime's nor our children's lifetimes, or their children's lifetimes, barring "THE HAPPENING".
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>>42717605
Because it's near impossible to prove it's been done with deliberate intent in a court of law. If it could it'd be electoral fraud. But it can't.
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>>42717605
>howthelabourpartywinseveryelection.png
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>>42718919
>barely anything gets done when you have to pander to the wants of 5 different parties

As opposed to how much gets done in America or Britain?

Coalitions are actually more powerful because they usually control the government, the parliament and the senate.
So any deal they do make can't be blocked by the opposition.
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>>42718604

>should just go along with whatever some asshole says because he lives in your country

Then choose the liberal bitch over Arnold Schwarzenegger you fucking retarded nazi.
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>>42718932
>Can't do that with just two parties

Which is the REAL reason America still has districts.

Abolishing the districts means the Republicrats will get real competition from smaller parties.
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>>42719141
Which is why they won't do it.

You see the issue here? You're asking the people in power, to give up the thing that put them and their buddies in power. This does not work.
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>>42717605
Gerrymandering exist because it benefits both parties. Even in states where there is a majority it pretty much insurers the other's job security. Why would either party give up a sure thing?
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>>42718919

Give me an example of this, parties form coalitions in countries like mine

This is the makeup of the 2011 parliament, there's a lot of parties but all it means is that there's give and take. Now obviously I don't know how this system would work in the US but everyone's views were fairly represented and National had to form a coalition with UF and Act to form a government, and had to form a supply and demand agreement with Maori to secure it.

More parties doesn't mean less shit gets done, just look at the US for proof that the two party system doesn't make a decisive goverment. What it did mean however is that people can vote for what they believe in, not for what is the lesser of two evils
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>>42718499
This. The electoral college is cancer on the democratic process
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>>42718896

why went from 10% to 5%. china?

surely you're not talking about the US.
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>>42719223

It can still happen, we changed from FPTP to MMP because of an uproar when National won the election twice in a row despite have less than half the popular vote, the Labour party got in with the promise it would have a binding referendum to decide our political system where MMP won by 54%
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>>42718824
>implying it would be the land of freedom if we didn't have the freedom to abstain from voting
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>>42718824

93% of elections are determined by which side spends the most money.
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