Is equality unjust?

Yes. It assumes people are the same or act in similar ways, which is untrue.

>>41028665
That image makes a nice point, but ignores that SJWs and such would rather chop off the tall kids legs and give them to the midget, rather than just helping the midget.

>>41028665
Affirmative action is discrimination

>>41028665
The irony of this image is that in the real world height discrimination is treated as a joke by everyone.
>Inb4 manlets, when will they learn

>>41028665
Why should i give my box to a lazy manlet?

>>41028665
Depends on your definition of Justice.

If you are talking about process based justice then probably not. Equality involves infringement of individuals liberties such as property rights, and usually involves unequal treatment of individuals.

If you are concerned with outcome based justice then it is probably just. Infringement of liberties and unequal treatment of individuals are justified in the pursuit of equality of outcome.

You aren't going to have the answers to these questions without defining your terms OP, and any discussion will just be people talking past each other.

>>41028665
Justice is the guard that comes by and makes those kids pay for tickets or leave.

>>41028904
why you want something you don't need its just a fucking box

Any photoshop fags want to edit a cross burning into the background, or maybe a nazi march?

The baseball game is stupid.

Also, justice != equality of outcome. Justice means equality of opportunity. This image presumes there are only three boxes in the world. I see no reason to take the tall guy's box when the little faggot could easily just go grab another.

>>41028821


some photoshop fag make this happen


and put a big fat hair dyed feminazi with a chainsaw by the limbs

>>41028665
>Is equality unjust?
>implying justice = social justice.

No, and fuck off with your wrongheaded, critical-theory derived definitions.

>>41028665
Yes. This picture assumes that the smaller people have absolutely no means to make themselves "taller". In reality those who have the best usually deserve it for what they've done with their life. Video games and laziness? Sorry, you don't get as much money as someone who built a company from scratch.

>>41031577
The picture tries to confuse things when it applies concepts which pertain to humans in the wrong way and to the wrong things; the boxes, and the height of the fence.

>>41028665
Picture assumes unlimited boxes

>>41028665
>>Modern equality began by dismissing the importance of biology. Ultimately, it leads to the removal of all biological factors from the equation of life until the achievement of death. The logic of equality leads towards the elimination of all forms of hierarchy that separate life or biological priorities from the larger physical world. Self-consistent egalitarianism leads to self-consistent materialism: humans and other life forms have no inherent basis for viewing themselves as chunks of “superior matter”, with special rights above all other material things. The idea that biology has any special privilege whatsoever over non-biology is in its very conception anti-egalitarian, and to fulfill and achieve the enlightenment project is to engage in rational biological self-destruction.

M Heisman

www.suicidenote.info/ebook/suicide_note.pdf

>>41028821
look up the Procrustean bed story

>>41028665
bad b8 m8

I think everyone can agree that the situation on the right is the most desirable. The problem is achieving it. The free market is not an end in itself, it is simply the most efficient system that we know of for distributing wealth - and even then, it's not really. We can all think of examples of necessary regulation that increase the efficiency of the market. Where the market is less efficient than central planning it is inarguable that central planning should take over. OPic is one such situation.

>>41032018
this.

also see how justice has been turned from "harmony" with the greeks in to "equal power" in modernity (read Heidegger's Nietzsche lectures)

>>41031960
No it doesn't. It assumes 3 boxes. If it assumed unlimited boxes, they'd all be chillin in a box fort on top of a big mountain of boxes watching the game in comfort.

>>41032420

"Free market fixes everything."

>>41028665

Feminists have given up on the "equality" bullshit as they have been thoroughly called out on it. Now they don't even pretend that they want preferential treatment.

Of course this also demonstrates quite clearly that not all parties are equal. The taller boy is worth far more as an employee in a job that requires getting things off the top shelf-- something that the femicunts still refuse to accept. They would thusly never be able to equally perform the same job.

They will ignore this, of course, because muh patriarchy.

>>41032624
10 points for gryffindor

somebody made those boxes, if they want more they can trade for them or make their own. fuggen lazy shits.

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>>41028821
>implying that the SJW wouldn't just chop off the tall kid's legs then lecture how they should walk a mile in the short kids shoes

SJWs aren't interested in helping the midget. They just want everyone to know that the midget has a disadvantage.

>>41028665
Define "equality" and "justice".

>>41032420

This is such shitty bait. But okay, I'll bite.

The assumption of OP's example is that nobody is born equal, which is true.

Your picture can still be twisted.

All of the chairs are the same, so they're equal, but what if a short person sits behind a tall person, and the tall person doesn't want to switch seats?

You gonna argue over that? Go ahead.

>>41032420
people that paid to see the game.

>>41028665
People doing things to help people is nice. The state mandating that all outcomes be equal is a sure way to short-circuit a society's growth and positive evolution.

>>41032880
>but what if a short person sits behind a tall person
get a box, how hard is this? even the fucking kids figured it out...

Let me give you another fine example.

Let's say that everyone gets government money for some stupid reason. Everyone gets the same amount. Equality.

But the amount of money that they get doesn't help some of the poorer people. And the rich don't really care, nor need it, but they still quietly accept it. Injustice.

>>41032975
If they gave a shit about not being poor they would've made better life decisions. They'd get a job, NOT fuck everything that moved or at least practiced safe sex when they did it, and then NOT have over three kids that they could obviously never afford to raise.

Or you can laze around getting free money and then spending it on frivolous shit instead of making actual use of yourself.

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>>41031577
>In reality those who have the best usually >deserve it for what they've done with their life.
citation needed.
Also, google 'Entrenched welfare' and basic marxist principles (which everyone sane needs to move beyond, but generally stand for rudimentary scenario analysis, baser upon predictions made panning out to future events)

OP picture states that equality is not justice, but then goes on to say that justice means equality.

>>41028665
>>41028665
I know I probably sound like a commie for saying this, but just to clarify the picture you labelled as "justice" could also be seen a equality because they are all of equal height and get to see the game.

>>41034282
You're right. . . you are a commie

>>41028665
There is something called just inequality.

That is to say simply if someone works harder or smarter he will succeed and be better than his peers for a just reason.

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>>41034363
What a response.

Thanks for your input.

>>41034390
But what about the effects of this on later generations.

If one man works hard and becomes successful, his son may be able to succeed with a small amount of effort.

Another man is lazy, dependent on others for help, and decidedly unsuccessful, however, his son is also harmed by this, and might not be able to overcome the disadvantages he suffers from because of his father.

How can this be helped? Can it be helped at all? Short of banning inheritance or instating complete wealth distribution, both of which are demonstrably bad ideas, I don't think this can change.

>>41035413
What exactly is the problem here? Besides jealousy.

>>41029168
This.

>>41035463
The son of the rightfully successful man doesn't need to do much to succeed.

The son of the rightfully unsuccessful man has to do a lot more to succeed, and in some cases, may not be able to succeed at all.

>>41035497
If the latter fails, it means he made some bad decisions.
If the former succeed regardless, it made some good decisions.
What exactly is the problem here? No jealousy again.

>>41028665
I never noticed that the brown above the fence wasn't fence but dirt on the field, so I assumed the message was that on the right, nobody got to see the game instead of only the tall person.

>>41028821
>That image makes a nice point
no it doesnt
because in white first world countries none of this is true

>>41034403
>le ebin pol maymay
he didnt even say jidf you stupid cunt
>IF YOURE LOSING THE ARGUMENT SCREAM /POL/
how about you just dont come to this board if we're so narrow minded?

>tfw a girl in my poli class used this picture to explain a point in a class discussion.
>She couldn't verbalize the idea behind the picture, she just had to explain the picture.
>Everyone in the class visibly cringed.
>That was the day I realized I was an idiot for going into the faculty of arts.

>>41032809
>They just want everyone to know that the midget has a disadvantage.
He has cis-white straight male priviledge, he is the opressor.

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>>41028821
and your idea of justice would be the tallest kid standing on all 3 boxes?

isn't the question why they didn't just pay for some damn tickets in the first place?

>>41028821
well said

>>41028665
I think the question isn't whether giving the box to the midget is right (most people would agree it is) it's whether there should be a box police taking the box from the tall guy by force.

>>41029344
It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

>manlet detected

>>41033475
Those are a lot of generalizations you're making. What about the people who had a shitty educational system? What if they never learned how to properly learn? What if cunts around them instilled wrong values into them--i.e. degenerative practices above virtues?

Poor people aren't all poor because they choose to be so. People don't want to have a shitty life--if they knew better they'd maybe make a change.

>>41035413
What's the problem with banning inheritance? I actually don't know--I always thought it was a good idea.

>>41032420
PS4 games buy tickets to watch their favorite team lose at baseball.

>>41028665
They are really desperate to get you into believing equality is a real thing. But where is the proof we are all the same?
Do they really expect people to believe in this unscientific rubbish? Where are the scientific studies?

>>41037105
Well it's kind of like banning gifts. If a person leaves a will they're basically gifting someone post mortem.

>>41037121
Well, I don't think those who want to ban inheritance want to ban gifts. It's more of a cap, say $10,000-50,000. I think gifting more than that is a bit absurd--it should be even lower, maybe. Entire inheritances aren't really a gift; rather it's a redistribution of wealth based on familial ties, and wealth and power being designated by lineage, were, as I thought, a thing of the past.

>>41028665
What they meant by equality is that everyone be treated fairly and with respect. Something people rarely know how to do.

>>41037224
Idk, I just think that if a person wants to give there wealth to someone they should be able to. It would just cause so many problems to ban it, like things under the table and such. Also, the weakening of familial ties was from people not wanting to have ties that strong, not from bans. Someone's always going to be more well off, be it direct inheritance or indirect (such as better schooling, housing, job opportunities, wealth management, etc.), so there's no real point in banning something for no reason, it just creates another victimless crime.

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>>41028665

Universal egalitarianism is shit.

Nationalist meritocratic socialism is best.

That's not justice, that's equity

>>41037342
Eh, I think the main point of it is to prevent a disparity of wealth at the top. The ol' "the top fifth of the wealthiest own 60% of the wealth." An argument is that it's partly because of inheritance--wealth is just passed down and not actually earned by the children.

>>41037448
It would be nice if people didn't give most of their wealth to specific people upon death, but I don't think it's right to ban someone from doing it.

>>41037490
Well, I think it's okay to ban things that are wrong, and generating disparity is in most cases wrong. It's the kind of thing that would likely make things better of if people did it, but people won't, so a ban would have to be in place.

>>41028665
yes

>>41028665
The last picture should not be boxes given to the midgets to gain height but rather holes dug under the tall one and the middle one so they reach the same length.

>>41028665
Justice is all those free loaders who didn't buy a ticket getting kicked to the curb.

>>41028665
these niggers didnt even buy tickets

>>41028665
Whoever made that image really should be shot.

>>41028665
Are you guys actually so fucking retarded that you cant see the practical point being made in this image?

If you craft a one-size-fits-all policy, it is only useful for the size it was crafted for. Its the entire fucking small government argument, and you jackass libertarians are getting butthurt about it because you think this is about SJW shit and socialism.

Fucking die already.

>>41028665
Equality of opportunity is justice. Equality of outcome is communism.

>>41037063
two people having what they need is better than one person having more than they need

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>>41041880
So, from each according their ability, to each according their need?