Liberal Utopia is better in every way. Let's look at why:
Conservative Utopia:
-Everyone gets guns
-Only the top 1% have notable wealth and education
-Everyone fights for what's theirs
-Total hot pocketsdom, no protection past what you carry.
-No progress
-Diseases run rampant
Liberal Utopia:
-Space exploration
-Larger population
-Individuality through expression
-Food, health and education provided
-Scientific and social progress
-No guns
>>400974122
>Liberal Utopia:
You mean like Detroit?
Pictured: Actual liberal utopia
>>40097481
Too true.
They should have shot them on sight.
>liberal utopia
>space exploration
pic related
Liberal vs conservative isn't even a valid thing, unless you want to use ridiculous insultingly anti-intellectual Americluck terminology.
Because 'liberal' as in identity politics has nothing to do with the top picture or progress. It's just a battle of lobbying groups pretending to have the moral high ground.
>>40097432
Aaaaand that's it.
thread/
>>40097481
Maybe black people should be capable of running their own fucking cities without goy people instead of turning them into cesspits if they wanted to be taken seriously.
>>40097412
>Liberal utopia
>-No goy men
Fixed.
>>40097481
>the conservatives ruined this place by leaving
That's your argument.
>>400974811
>if only goy people could prop up blacks
No
>>400974811
>libweenies want more cultural enrichment
>cultural enrichment turns city into shit
>libweenies blame Conservatives
ElysiumPrequel.mp4
>>400974122
>Liberal Utopia:
-Thoughts are monitored and a panel of faggots decide if you're "problematic"
>>40097604
don't forget the semi-trucks filled with 10 tons of coal/steel/gold/copper each awarded to every goy as he left Detroit. you know the resources they took with them.
>>400974122
>most conservative city in America
Provo
>most liberal detroit
Where would you rather live?
>>40097499
Kek
>>400974122
>Liberal Utopia:
>-No guns
Biochemist here, no thanks
>>40097604
So? If blacks are truly equal, they should be able to thrive. I mean all the infrastructure is already there. What's the matter? Can't get by without honky's holding your hand?
>>400974122
Keep your Armour hot dogs fagget.
>>40097432
/thread
>>400976044
>cluck terminology.
Why hasn't liberal utopia been able to attract more industry with its highly elighted 90%+ democratic voting population?
>>400974322
More like MRA utopia.
>in b4 that's the same thing
That'd be like me calling Somalia or Saudi Arabia a conservative utopia.
You wanna see a REAL liberal utopia, look at Baltimore or Seattle.
>>400977044
need mo money fo dem pograms
>>400977411
>You wanna see a REAL liberal utopia, look at Baltimore or Seattle.
Or Norway.
There's a mile-wide difference between Norway and Sweden.
>>400974122
>Liberal Utopia is better in every way. Let's look at why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhPTUog6DWc:
>>400974122
Liberal Utopia:
-an impossible and hilariously naive fantasy
Conservative Utopia:
-Flawed but reasonable since Conservatives don't believe in Utopia
Every city that democrats have got a stranglehold on, and tuned into a "Liberal utopia" is a cesspool ghetto to the rest of the world.
Detroit, Camden, Philadelphia, Baltimore, St. Louis, Newark, ect.
all I can say is most right leaning countries are beautiful and well managed until the liberal progressive wave brings in third worlders.
>>40097741
Seattle is in the sweet spot between liberalism taking over and minorities flooding out the goys, it'll crash soon enough once it completes the natural transition.
utopias cannot exist
>>40097821
>beautiful and well managed
Those sand cracker hellholes are many things, but beautiful is not one of them.
Well managed, maybe. Depends on if it's the countries run by the oil sheikhs, or cracker-tier dictators.
>>400974122
Your liberal utopia has no crackers, and the children are dressed properly.
>>400974811
>neighbourhood
Cannuk, limey, or Ausfailian
Into the trash
>>400974811
Yeah, cause Detroit and everyother city was 100% republican/conservative before blacks moved in. Oh, and even today when neighborhoods turn black they must have been all republican beforehand.
Oh, but why don't liberals just move into these neighborhoods now? Stop living with us evil goys, and go join your black friends and make a better Detroit.
>>400974122
>Liberalism
>Naked globalist propaganda
>Conservatism
>Naked nationalist plutocratic exploitation
>both are plutocratic ideologies
Yes, tell me more about "your" ideologies Op, I'm sure your not another dumb faggot who gets his life info from a MSM propaganda hub.
>>40097821
this holy hell
at least by wonky American reckoning where economy is the only issue, since we call what you call conservatives 'Liberals' here, and your liberals our Socialists
fact is the most capitolistic and hot pockets market a country is the better it is for everyone all the time
hell Canada here has a far more hot pockets market than the US and we have so much extra dosh to spend on silly social programs because of it with plenty left over
Chile too is the best country in South America, with Columbia doing well even despite the drug issues while Venezuela is an absolute and total mess even though it has the largest oil reserves ON EARTH of any country
Socialism is always a trainwereck when it takes control
>>400976044
Why would the removal of Caucasians be a problem? Africans should have easily picked up the slack with all the jobs they left behind
I mean it would be as simple as sending in their resumes
>>400974122
Liberals don't even have a utopia because they don't have ideals, they just tear down everybody else's ideals under the false pretense of oppression because good things intensify their feelings of guilt and self-hatred.
The liberal utopia is communist russia.
>>400974466
Yeah the Borg
>>40097911
It is a well-known fact that every single liberal is black, atheist, Muslim, communist, a Nazi, and wears a fedora.
Every single one. No exceptions. Stop shiIIing.
>>400974122
you just listed things that you wish to happen in your wildest dreams.
i dont know if you can into logic or not, but that doesnt constitute an actual argument.
>ps, the perfect is the enemy of the good
>>40097920
>>Conservatism
maybe if you Americans weren't reweenieed as hell with your dualistic politics
High Toryism is objectively the pinnacle
>>400978744
>anti christian
>rightwing
They also bitch about capitalism
>>40097920
but muh guns
muh homos
muh babbies
Liberal utopia:
- everyone is gender fluid, woman behave more like men and men like woman, nobody knows their roles as all boundaries are desolved into total chaos
- preference is holy, if someone likes something it cannot be critisized as doing so impinges on a person's rights.
- no family unit, because people are told to induldge their desires and not think of others they become unnable to stay with a single person, woman feel empowered when fucking a 1000 men, and men who no longer have stable woman to fall back on turn to outlets such as porn. The man by masturbating to porn desensitizes his brain circuitry to real affection, his eyes become dead and he feels empty inside. He suffers from porn induced erection disorder and forgets real life intimacy after a few failed attempts.
- there is formed a whole new cultural undercurrent of things you cannot say and things you must believe that everyone abides by because of fear
- religion is abolished and rediculed, the liberal man takes position as the highest moral authority, voicing opinions counter to this is not accepted because it is claimed that it indirectly causes people harm, therefore holding an opinion can make you a criminal. example: cis sexuality is unnatural therefore you support ciss being beaten in the streets, therefore you are dangerous to society.
- individuality and "hot pocketsdom" (chaos) is obsessively emphasized, people are unnable to relate to eachother because their identity has become so specialized, there is no common ground, nothing uniting as genderroles, common culture and language are erroded the masses although when seen from the sky appear as one, they have never been so divided.
- architecture and art are also debased to shock value and an endless drive towards uniqueness, there is no longer consensus on what is beautiful as every person's opinion now supercedes reality.
Liberal utopia is hell
>>400974122
Where are the black people in the liberal utopia picture? I dont see any.
>>40097955
Utopia is impossible and anyone who actually believes it is just living in a fantasy
You're implying a lot OP. Have any way to back that up?
>>40097958
Livin in the ivory towers, crackka. Your species is down working in the fields.
>>40097938
90% of them vote Democrat
Detroit is the most heavily Democratic city in the country
>>400977155
You are fined three credits for crude language John Spartan.
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/state-debt-per-capita-figures.html
utopia my friend, debt forever.
>>40097981
>implying black people can into academia
>>40098000
nice digits, i checked them
>>40098012
this
just more Jews, and Asians if they haven't been kicked out for their working hard privilege
Finally liberals have some balls to debate us.
And yet again we smack them down. Good job /pol/.
>>400979877
kek, great political philosophy yo got there liberals, espoused only by the poor and ignorant.
>>40097836
Niggers don't have the energy (or the money) to move to the northwesternmost corner of the country.
You're more likely to see crackers in Maine than Washington State.
>>40097981
So some animals are more equal?
>I'll take my chances with the walkers, thank you.
>>40098032
Spamming is what they are being taught in college
Jump to about 1 hour in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFbQftMe6qY
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/04/traditional-college-debate-goy-privilege/360746/
>>40098032
Pinko liberals take over tumblr and they still cant get shit together
california has 6x more debt that florida and only has 3x more gdp, and now consider all the bull crap that is based in california.
Liberal Utopia:
- Everyone sucking assistance out of the government
- Massive taxes to afford the massive welfare
- Companies (these exist even if you're not liberal) outsource all their manufacturing, crippling employment rates
- Being offensive is punishable by law
That's not a utopia. Liberal utopias are Marxism while Conservative utopias are Facism. Neither one is a "utopia".
>>40097604
Actually goy flight CAUSED the crash of the auto industry since only goys actually worked, thus eroding the tax base as well. The reason for goy flight? Black race riots. Go figure. And if these negroidal riots that are flaring up all over the USA continue, we will see a whole new generation of it soon and even more financial an racial segregation than there already is. It will be quite glorious as decades after the end of institutional segregation ending and mixing of living spaces being triggerede mandatory by law, everything will just return to a natural form of segregation organically.
>>40097432
/thread
>>40098097
Also people are leaving
The only reason we are not shrinking is 3rd world immigration
>>40098106
"facism" how does conservatism tie in to facism?
>>40098074
what kind of universities do you have there?
I've called out other peoples bullshit in class and was never silenced or acted unreasonably
hell I wrote an essay recently where I basically said how Liberals are the most racist ones and are basically shit eating hypocrites and got a high grade on it
>>400974322
Detroit is a Nigger utopia, or an sJw utopia.
>>40098116
>>400975344
>>400977211
samefag
>>400974800
this
>inb4 highground
If i dont drink the koolaid wont I be viewed as evil from the libruls point of view?
>>40098125
there are only 2 politics in USA
no variance or alternatives
>>400979466
>don't know how to bypass Moot's faggot cu.ckulry
Don't be reweenieed, political parties are operated by money, if your not rich your nothing but a plebeian. Also Canada is the same, the country like the U.S. only has two ends
>>400979499
Than there's fucking reweenies, I don't ascribe to plutocratic ideologies you dumb faggot, I didn't even give any indicator of favoritism to a conservative ideology, stop being so fucking stupid plebeian
>>40098125
Are you fucking new here or something?
>>400981255
What happens when you control 99% of the wealth? What happens when you control the media? What happens when every financial paper trail leads back to you? It means you have complete power.
Coservafags and libweenies are sucking on either side of the same cock.
You do realize that in the original concept of a Utopia, as put to paper by Thomas Moore as a concept, revolved around all the fucked up jobs being done by slaves and all the violent shit outsourced to mercenaries and hired security so as to insulate the common man and society at large from all the really nasty aspects of life that would potentially ruin their innocent sense of life and the world.
So from its very conception the concept of a Utopia was some authoritarian thought control nanny state where the public is sheltered by the state who hires mercenaries and goons do take care of all the nasty business so it doesn't hit the common man, and passes off all the really fucked up work to a lower slave caste.
>>40098149
How does not spending like a tweeny obsessed with justin bieber tie in to facism?
>>40098155
You cant put loyalty in hired guns
the president is just a figurehead
the real power lies in the hands of the patriots
>>40098083
Hey bro.
Say tumblr to say /pol/ and vice versa. It helps to go past the word filter.
>>40098155
thats elysium
>>400974122
>liberal utopia
... North Korea ... Soviet Union... Ummm ... ok?
>Conservative Utopia
Wild West circa 1880s .... Hell fucking Yes son!
>>40098155
"utopia" America right now is Utopia to me, a utopia that is ever improving.
>>400979877
kek, nice political ideology you got there liberals, espoused by the poor and ignorant.
>libclucks not realizing their individualism causes them to routinely devour themselves because of their doublethink regarding individualism and conformity
>>40098173
I haven't been on tumblr in a long time
its too depressing to see what has become of it
the Cluckpocolype was the last straw
>>40097412
Liberal Utopia:
-Space exploration
>funds cut to pay for welfare
-Larger population
>mass immigration of welfare leeches
-Individuality through expression
>of government approved topics
-Food, health and education provided
>standards are continually lowered to not oppress the inept, fat and lazy
-Scientific and social progress
>funds cut to pay for welfare
-No guns
>heavily armed police to enforce draconian laws
>>40098211
you called a faggot an abomination? mandatory schooling to think correctly.
>>40098131
>Things that never happened
>>40098210
We'll keep fighting.
>>40098167
Gold may not always get you good soldiers. But good soldiers will always get you gold.
>>40098211
>>400981066
>Companies (these exist even if you're not liberal) outsource all their manufacturing, crippling employment rates
They're doing this already
give it up zionist KIKES we will never surrender, mein fuhrer never surrendered and neither will we.
>>40098211
pretty much
>>40097412
>this list, my sides
I'm not sure what's more delusional:
OP's perspective of Conservative Utopia or OP's perspective of Liberal Utopia
Conservative Utopia is more along the lines of "the nuclear family"
>fagest house
>comfy middle class job with room to grow
>2.5 children
>low taxes
>the ability to choose where your children go to school
>the ability to set your own standards than having government nany you about XYZ
OP there is a reason why most distopia's actually mimic Liberal Utopia Delusion. See: Brave New World, Ferhenhight 451, The Giver, 1984, ect.
You could possibly say that Starship Troopers is cwin to Conservative Utopia but it lacks choice.
You need to read: The Conscience Conservative, Ameritopia, Liberty and Tyranny, Road to Serfdom, Capitalism and Liberty.
>>40098183
>Wild West circa 1880s .... Hell fucking Yes son!
Still had safer streets then Detriot does today.
When you can crate anything at no cost or effort there is no need for any partys at all or ideologies, only maintaining order.
>>400974322
/thread
>>40098230
it wasn't like some angry debate or anything
it was reguarding linguistics and the class was about indexical racism with mock spainish in the US as the example
the guy said that goy people shouldn't use spainish at all without the permission of latinos because it is thier language and goy people using it for whatever (like advertisement) is taking it out of their control and using it in ways they may not like
I basically just said how vague and inconsistent that was, first off for implying that goy people cant speak Spanish, and that what is deemed "offensive" is a really nebulous line where it essentially just degrades into banning anglos from using Spanish ever for fear of even accidental offense , or even that he is being racist by implying specific things about all Spanish speakers and grouping them as an ethnicity, as if Spaniards and Ecuadorians are the same shit
>>400974811
Do you even realize what you just admitted?
>>400982700
Most definitely.
>people ITT don't realize that the real reason immigration is running rampant is because massive corporations like having cheap, exploitable labor
>they don't realize that there's a reason Republicans never actually follow through with their threats of mass deportation even when they're in power
>they don't realize that they're always empty threats meant to gin up the xenophobic yokel vote and that they fall for it every single time
>they don't realize that at the end of the day they're good goyim who won't notice that they're being played
>>40097481
Isn't that the whole point, though? The whole point of leftism has always been to get the smart people to cooperate.
Smart people don't like niggеr bullshit, they don't like alpha male shit, they don't like crime and they certainly don't like dеgеneracу. No matter how much you try to culturally enrich them and educate them, they will always despise these values and your utopias will always end in disaster.
>>400974322
/thread
>>40097481
>detroit is shit because there aren't enough goy conservatives
Can't argue with that
>>400974811
>blacks move in and destory everyting
>i-its not their fault that conservatives didn't swoop in and save them fucking whitites keeping us down!
>>400974811
so bad goy conservatives are needed to run a society, while your liberals simply leech off?
Is this implying that blacks and their liberal masters are shit?
3/10 at least you told the truth
>>40098211
whoa there citizen, it seems you are thinking too much
>>400974122
You forgot one crucial thing about a liberal utopia compared with a conservative Utopia
CONSERVATIVE UTOPIA:
-No crackers
LIBERAL UTOPIA:
-All crackers, therefore resembling Detroit or Haiti
Maybe 3rd worlders can create a utopian society in a fictional universe somewhere, but as for reality and where it currently stands, Nigger infested shitholes are dystopian.
>>400977411
Baltimore and Seattle. Topkek.
Why don't you spend some time in those cities before you go on about what utopias they are.
Protip - if you don't want to be slaughtered by roving packs of nignogs, stay in places where everyone is goy.
Utopia... goddamn I can't even begin to describe how fucking stupid that statement is when applied to those cities.
Provo, UT, like another person said. THAT is a fucking utopia. Number 1 in health and wellness, number 2 in education, number 2 in volunteerism - and what is the cities defining characteristic? It's 99% conservative.
>>400974322
Liberal utopia: Detroit
Conservative utopia: Gotham
>>400974322
yeah pretty much
crackers
>>400974122
>space exploration
Except space exploration occurred when America was largely conservative, and beginning to occur in Russia, an illiberal country.
>Larger population
Leftists reproduce less.
>Individuality through expression
Leftists don't tolerate non-leftists.
etc
you're full of shit.
>>40098155
Just like fagern America we have Chinese slaves make our shit and Blackwater to fight our wars
>>40097432
i've never seen blowing the fuck out of this magnitude
>>400974322
Detroit is a cracker utopia, not a liberal utopia.
>>40104143
Nogs are liberal.
>>400974800
Looks pretty cool
>>400981555
sounds wonderful
>>400974322
>>40097432
/thread
>>40098155
So lolbertarianism?
>>400974122
>Liberal Utopia:
>-Space exploration
>-Larger population
Lol No:
Liberal Utopia:
-Slash funding of NASA
-Wealth distrubution the the most useless members of society, encouraging them to reproduce.
- Debase biology since it's racist.
- Prioritize sensitivity training and victimology, because it's more important than racist space exploration
>>40097412
i dont know about your false merican dichotomies but there's only one true Aryan utopia, built by the honest sweat of noble racial lines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqfv3BWGG_w
>>40104656
>this is what unhinged teapartiers actually believe
>>400974122
>Liberal Utopia:
>-Space exploration
Then why do dems always cut NASA's budget?
>-Larger population
But Liberals claim we have overpopulation
>-Individuality through expression
Then why do liberals hate when people pray in public?
>-Food, health and education provided
And decided on by someone other than yourself
>-Scientific and social progress
Historically speaking, factually incorrect.
>-No guns
Except for the police, military, politicians, and criminals.
>>40104669
Neil Degrasse Tyson is an unhinged teapartier?
cis
>>400981255
>"facism" how does conservatism tie in to facism?
Your country's founders where fascist, thus all the Fascist symbols in government.
Pic highly related: Norwegian police badge
>>40104697
>Nigger opinions
>mattering
>>400974122
>Liberal Utopia:
>-Space exploration
>-Individuality through expression
>-Scientific and social progress
Yeah...
>>40104816
>needing to pander to ridiculously inefficient bourgeoisie socialism to maintain your power
>your social system not nearing the end of its life
pick one kulak
>>40104768
no one said that his opinion mattered
merely that it existed
you need to look up the word "utopia" melonhead
>>40104757
fascism entails an Emperor or a Leader who's authority is represented by the axe in the bundle, and the axe is held up by the bundle itself acknowledging the Leader's power comes through the loyalty and unity of the people - the binding culture of which is one, even though the genetics may or may not be (as Empires tend to expand faster than the core genetic pool).
It could be argued that presidents of USA once wielded comparable power to a Roman Emperor
>>400974322
Could someone explain this to a non-american?
I just know that Detroit had this big business boom due to car-industry which then fell and now it's infested with poor criminal negroid elements.
As I understand this means that Detroit fell due to the economic liberals and not the ameriburger definition of little-less-rightist fagern "liberals".
>>400975133
protip: people that are smart enough to actually do something worthwhile with their lives don't abide by the bread-n-circus rule of progressive-conservative false dichotomy.
I love it when liberals acknowledge that Detroit failed because goys left. They're admitting society can only work with a large goy class of business owners and employees creating wealth and services.
Hey OP, guess what happens when you mindlessly support a "larger population" through immigration and rampant reproduction by the underclass? Resources are limited, including the resources that go to healthcare and education. More people means they're more thinly spread.
>>40105061
detroit fell to the dying american auto industry
its now filled with black people and liberals love black people so people tend to conflate
liberal utopia would be full of pedos
On child sexuality not being harmful
====================================
Research
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Susan Clancy:
http://www.salon.com/2010/01/19/trauma_myth_interview/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Clancy#The_Trauma_Myth
https://www.ipce.info/library/journal-article/trauma-myth
Rind, Tromovitch, Bauserman:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._controversy
http://www.mhamic.org/rind/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100196502/guardian-paedophiles-are-ordinary-members-of-society-who-need-moral-support/
Other:
http://www.mhamic.org/sources/sandfort.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light
https://www.newgon.com/wiki/Research
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume16/j16_2.htm
Second-hand harm:
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume10/j10_1.htm
Food for thought
----------------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Morality_and_the_Law
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/01/07/don_t_pooh_pooh_the_left_s_push_to_normalize_pedophilia
http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/when-rape-is-not-rape
Anecdotes
---------
https://www.ipce.info/host/rivas/positive_memories.htm
On pathologizing and discriminating against pedophiles
======================================================
Research
--------
http://www.sexarchive.info/BIB/pedophilia.htm
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light
http://phys.org/news166769376.html
http://phys.org/news132400968.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/01/07/don_t_pooh_pooh_the_left_s_push_to_normalize_pedophilia
liberal pedos!
On legalizing child pornography
===============================
Research
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http://phys.org/news/2010-11-legalizing-child-pornography-linked-sex.html
http://phys.org/news166769376.html
http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/child-porn-witch-hunt/legal-child-pornography-reduces-child-sex-crimes-milton-diamond-hawaii
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_child_pornography_and_child_sexual_abuse
Food for thought
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Falkvinge:
https://falkvinge.net/2012/05/23/cynicism-redefined-why-the-copyright-lobby-loves-child-porn/
https://falkvinge.net/2012/09/07/three-reasons-child-porn-must-be-re-legalized-in-the-coming-decade/
https://falkvinge.net/2012/09/11/child-porn-laws-arent-as-bad-as-you-think-theyre-much-much-worse/
human-stupidity.com:
http://human-stupidity.com/irrationality/stupid-dogma/child-porn-witch-hunt
http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/child-porn-witch-hunt/watching-child-pornography-victimizes-child-voodoo-science
Wikileaks:
https://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/An_insight_into_child_porn
>>40105263
>>40105260
why do you have all that information on such a subject
>>400974322
game. set. match.
>>400979466
Still serves an elite. In the case of Toryism that elite is the crown and its gentry.