>>140559099 Glad he's making deals and getting things done, republicans can learn a thing or two from what he's accomplishing with the democrats. Negotiating to raise the debt ceiling, secure funding for hurricane victims and pushing forward a congressional solution to DACA is impressive.
>>140560008 This. It's great optics making DACA permanent, not to mention how many hispanics will be lining up to vote for Trump after this. Great political move and I wish he would have done it a lot sooner.
>>140560108 It depends on what your parameters for good president are. If slowing down debt, decreasing illegal immigration or being the better option are part of what you believe is a good government, then yes.
>>140561402 Congress can always just vote to deport them. I'm sure ole Ben will be shilling for muh conservative values and muh rule of law right up until he's pogromed by illiterate amerindian savages.
>>140559099 Oh man another person talking about literally everything Trump does. Wheres the twitter account that lets me know whenever Trump farts. Can I get up to date tweets about whenever he takes a shit? Just think that the president of the United States with shit upon the most executive toilet around at least 600 times going by 1 poop every 2 days
>>140561763 He's asshurt that Trump isn't a budget hawk and is returning the business of making laws to our congress. If Ben had a shred of decency in his body he'd be "calling balls and strikes" but he's judging Trump against Ben's own superior plan that he outlined.
Ben embodies every inch of the culture of critique. Guy has all the greatest ideas and instead of spending his time actually trying to affect policy he just whines into a microphone that others are unprincipled. He deserves every antisemetic cartoon that's ever been sent his way.
>>140559099 Silly Ben! Pol is like a Warhammer game of Orks and Goblins and friends vs. the world.
You would think it was Slaneesh or something Chaos but you would be wrong. The real life equivalent of those types are the Black Ops G-Men or the Fag who joined ISIS and shot up the Orlando Fag Club. Now that's some Slaneesh weirdness.
Pol is more like: "You see a horde of techno marines coming towards you that are really trolls dressed as techno marines. Some of their weapons still function and it looks like some sinister hooknosed fellows are directing them from above. Also present are several Giants and a bunch of angry, rough looking humans with random weapons (including one or two sci fi looking guns and a bunch of normie guns) who said "Fuck it, lets go kill some normies." You have a pack of lies and a 40 oz of malt liquor. What is your next move?
That's why pol can't be "beaten." Pol is the symptom of the chaos of modern society, not the cause. When pol dies, another form takes its place. The problems that have caused pol are not just going to disappear.
Not a fan of Ben Shapiro he was a Cruz Cuck all the sudden 4chaners panic and side with the (((guy))) Take it easy folks. Trump's already decreased 100 billion dollars worth of government spending and in just six months. Brought back tens of billions in investment and he's already slowing illegal immigration just by ICE arrests and the mere threat of illegal arrest. He's letting DACA expire. Stay the fucking course pussies he can't do everything you want in just a few months. will take years.
>>140561539 you're definitely some shitskin beaner living somewhere in the south probably california. amnesty for you subhumans is the biggest mistake possible for america. you people have subhuman iq only 1 or 2 points above niggers. you're totally worthless outside of picking fruits and living off welfare. you don't need to exist or live in america. begone fruit picking goblin spawn.
>>140561735 >Bout to get necklaced by natural conservatives. >pogromed by illiterate amerindian savage one of the best bantz i ever saw posted on /pol/. you got talent
>>140561588 He also wrote articles on how the expulsion of Germans from Eastern Europe (which probably killed as many if not more people than the Shoax ever did) was a good thing and Israel should do the same to any and all Arabs.
If you really want to wind him up ask him who he would support if the USA and Israel fought a war.
It's pretty clear they're all out to get him. He is putting the ball in their court because they know they couldn't make a basket if their life depended on it. He is handing the rope they wanted to hang him with to them and saying, have at it.
>>140563065 >Get a grip asshole. Sounds like you're the one who needs to get a grip, faggot. I don't know how the end game is going to shape up, but the fact that he's making deals with Pelosi and Schumer is not good. Plus the congressional Republicans always cave into the Democrats' demands, so they very well could pass something bad in the near future.
>>140563980 I don't give a fuck about Republicans or how they look. They already look fucking terrible. Can't pass any of Trump's agenda. The Republicans do not share my beliefs. They are all moderate cucks.
>>140563989 Never voted for McCain and never would vote for that fuck.
>>140559099 >not realizing how Trump took the carrot away from the Republicans
The debt ceiling and Harvey aid was going to be attached to a Republican bill that was going to fund the federal government for a year, without Repeal and Replace, without tax reform and without southern border wall funding...
Trump has set 2 pieces on the chessboard. In 3 months, the issues of the debt ceiling will come up again, and Trump will not be at McConnell's and Ryan's mercy with Harvey aid...and the second chess piece will be time released in ,6 months, when DACA will officially expire.
This deal may look like Trump caved, when he sought the Democrats to cut this deal, and to cut the legs out from underneath the RINOs.
Trump is about to play some parliamentary poker with McConnel and Ryan 3-6 months from now.
>>140559099 >Trump sided with Schumer and Pelosi on debt ceiling increase As opposed to siding with Paul Ryan who wanted a larger increase over a more extended period of time.
We've got the Texas disaster plus the imminent Florida disaster plus trying to reform taxes. Look, I'd rather they just crashed the system completely, but extending debt for a mere three months when two major disasters are happening seems about as innocuous as possible.
>Congress to enshrine DACA BAKA @ anyone thinking Congress will be able to pass anything. BAKA BAKA BAKA
If Trump wanted DACA to persist, he wouldn't've even opened his damn mouth about it in the first place.
I'll never get why people think Shapiro "works with facts, not feelings". If Cruz won the primaries and the election he would be twisting and spinning shit in his favour more than the worst T_D fanboy or CNN journalist.
>>140560184 >It's great optics making DACA permanent nope. if he does he can go fuck himself. some of us remember that DACA is more about China, India, and several african countries more than fucking "mexico".
>>140566202 They think the funding for programs will come from magical unicorns and pixie dust. When Trump tried to slash a fuckton of programs every 'MUH TRUE CONSERVATIVE' lined up around the block to start crying about it https://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Trump-Budget-Right-GOP/2017/03/13/id/778323/
19 entire departments were to be slashed, over $3.6 trillion in debt reduced over 10 years due to the deficit alone Not anymore thanks to conservacucks that ben shapiro worships
>>140560184 I don't care about the Hispanic vote. He already got a decent amount of votes from Hispanics while running an anti-immigrant campaign during the election. The only way to get even more Hispanics is by becoming pro-immigrant, in which case he can fuck off.
>>140562842 Good fuck the Germans faggot. The best Germans died faggot or got raped bitch. Are you feeling feels for Palestinian dogs? Fuck you zionism is best ally to white people. Walls for all of nationalism you commie Kraus
>>140567019 That's really the worst of (((Shapiro))). He is a total hypocrite (which his religion forbids, not that he cares). Watch his youtube primer on how to argue against the left some time. Everything he accuses them of doing, he does as soon as you bring up Israel.
>>140559099 He gave Congress the opportunity to show their hand before the midterms...if they pass DACA, all the Rhinos will be spotted and he'll veto the bill and laugh while doing it - as they lose in the midterm to the likes of Kid Rock. Further asserting his dominence over the Republican party.
>>140567639 nobody here cares which party he supports, go back to your discord and pick a new talking point you stupid shill maybe 1%, at best, of the entirety of /pol/ actually sides with either party. They're both fucking worthless.
President Trump is exposing these Republicans of not doing as they said they were going to do. Jeff Flake will be gone by the end of this year, and is the example of what Republicans do not want to become.
At first I did not like this deal, but I understand Trump's motives for the big picture. Establishment RINOs got BTFO today, and that's a good thing! But don't allow media to misconstrue what happened today...Trump did not cave, he sought out the Democrats to cut this deal that cut the throat of this do-nothing Republican House.
And Democrats are desperate for any kind of momentum to gain seats in 2018 and 2020, so of course they have their motives too...but even if Dems pick up seats, that means career RINOs are removed.
lets hope that the DREAM act does not make it through congress. otherwise i have no doubt Trump will sign it. he'll be forced to. but that's a big fucking if.
and he's siding with the democrats on debt ceiling b/c the republicans are scared about 2018, you see they wanted to pass a bill that pushed the debt ceiling back until after the elections so none of their constituents would remember that they all sided with the democrats to kick the can down the road.
a little payback from the trumpster. seeing paul ryan get buttmad over it was well worth it
>>140568369 >lets hope that the DREAM act does not make it through congress. otherwise i have no doubt Trump will sign it. he'll be forced to. but that's a big fucking if. He'd veto it knowing it would never get the override needed from the house. Something like half of all GOP representatives would have to vote for it to get overruled in the house. Representatives tend to be far more conservative than senators due to having to answer more directly to their constituents.
>>140569840 Stupid religious rules are well stupid. What was amusing recently was people going nuts at Charlie Hebdo for suggesting the neo Nazi marches might have brought god's wrath on Texas via the hurricane or something. Basically Je Suis Charlie to them was just a fad.
>>140570178 >Basically Je Suis Charlie to them was just a fad. No, it was people saying it was in bad taste. Like when they made fun of Italy after the earthquake or Russia after the plane crash. Nobody went and shot them up, we told them they're dickbags. Freedom of speech is not freedom of being called a dickbag.
All Trump wants is to get shit done. He literally sat at his desk and was like "Okay, Ryan and McConnel, I'm ready to go. I listened to you guys for years talk about all the shit you'd do if Obama wasn't around; on Obamacare, on taxes, on immigration, you name it. Send them to me." And this made sense because Trump isn't a politician, and he assumed the politicians knew how to do those things, so he could execute them as President. Then they literally did fucking NOTHING, they fucked up endlessly in increasingly embarrassing ways (like McConnell saying over and over the Obamacare bailout wasn't dead). They didn't even back Trump up during the fake as fuck Russia nonsense. They're literally all cowards and phonies. Nancy Pelosi fucking condemned Antifa before Paul Ryan did, and that was only after Paul Ryan jumped in to call Trump a LITERUL NAZI when he did first!
If the GOP wants to have Trump's ear, they'd better get in fucking shape. Trump owes them fucking nothing and he's been given zero reason to put his faith in them. Trump agreed to a 3 month increase instead of an 18 month increase, wisely, because he wanted the event to be a warning shot against the GOP.
>>140571417 Trump has to play a game where he has zero allies. He doesn't get the luxury of ideological purity. If he just made laws himself and bypassed Congress the way Obama did, the Republicans would stop him, even as they jump to action to pass the laws Obama made up in the first place.
>>140567160 I don't care about the Palestinians it's just another example of his hypocrisy. But of course the mongrel has to come and talk about his rape fantasies because he is upset his country can't beat some third world shitholes.
I'm not going to rationalize shit, but no actual decisions has been made regarding DACA. I can't tell what Trump is trying to do, but I'll pass judgement in 6 months when I see what happens. If he passes that shit I'll be asking for his head along side you.
>>140559099 (((ben cuckpiro))) >"lol trump is a retard thats why i dont like him" >"actually nvm he's too right-wing thats why i dont like him" >"actually nvm he's not right wing enough thats why i dont like him" Typical tricks
It's weird how people try drawing an equivalence between thinking it's in bad taste to suggest people deserved to have their homes destroyed because some racists may live in the region and thinking people should be killed for drawing pictures.
>>140559099 I like listening to Ben because I like to hear reasonable criticism of Trump, but he is just way out in front of the facts on this one. He literally jumped from "Trump isn't going to take down DACA right away" to "Trump wants to see DACA enshrined in law" with zero evidence to support it. Trump is being very vague about what exactly he's going to do, and at this point the people who have accused him of abandoning his base have always been wrong.
>>140570257 >everyone has a freedom of speech, we're just exercising ours when we tell you you're a nazi >whoops, we censored right-wingers on youtube, but that's their business, right? >bake the cake faggot (but it's okay because the faggot protected class is more important than the christian protected class) >demands west boro to be declared terrorist organization
>>140574085 Ben and Ann Coulter are very into the whole idea of just accepting anything the media says as fact, especially when it's just the emotional framing.
As soon as it was announced that DACA would be winding down, Republicans started making statements with most just going on about "yeah we should be doing something to try and fix immigration". Where things get manipulative is that the media focused on promoting the comments of those like McCain or just taking things out of context to make it sound like everyone was behind making DACA law. Not even Paul Ryan seems that interested in it.
This is why those two seem so fucking useless, all they're good for is acting as props for in the liberal media so that they can feel like they're getting viewpoints from the other side. When in reality they're just regurgitating the same bullshit that is espoused from liberal media outlets.
>>140574714 In some ways I expect that from Ann because she is so emotional about everything, but Ben has really been showing his true colors lately. You could tell after the Charlottesville debacle that he had been waiting so long to do a week long tirade against "muh alt right". It's amazing to see him mirroring the exact same narratives of every run of the mill leftist news host. Something about Trump has just made him absolutely lose it, probably still butthurt that Cruz didn't win.
>>140575499 It was an eye opening experience for me when I just went and looked at what articles these two have written over the past year.
They're all terrible. They're poorly written and target issues in just idiotic ways.
Like the recent article from Ann about how the left always tries looking for right wing violence, so she goes back nearly a decade to look at Tea Party guys that got framed wrongfully as violent. Why would she need to go that far back? The only reason I can think of is because she hasn't paid that much attention to what's even gone on over the past couple years, all their talking points are based on shit from years ago rather than anything closer to the present.
>>140575499 Its always about market issues. He flips for a week if Trump does anything anti globalist.
Shapiro, much like many republicans in Congress want Trump out after the first term. They'd rather have a democrat. To punish voters, they are dragging their feet collectively to make it seem like Trump can't get anything done. These are the never trumpers and democrats.
Pelosi is getting ousted by her party, they are ushering her out. It's clear nobody anticipated she'd go rogue and cross lines to work with Trump.
This is all about congress purposely dragging their feet while seemingly making noise as if they are trying to do something, when in reality this is all to make Trump ineffective in the eyes of the voters.
Trump lobbed a hot potato right back at congress, fucking their entire plan to make it seem like Trump was the one not getting things done. Now the spotlight is on congress. It's hilarious.
>>140567806 Siding with a party is better than blind idolatry of Trump. Either one is stupid, but the latter is far more pathetic.
Policy matters, Trump about-facing on policy and becoming Obama-lite is depressing. Everyone got played, and the cowards that follow Trump because of his personality over his policy are the first to go when IT happens.
>>140576962 >Trump lobbed a hot potato right back at congress, fucking their entire plan to make it seem like Trump was the one not getting things done. Now the spotlight is on congress. It's hilarious. Exactly this. And when you bring this up to never trumpers and "muh principles" conservatives, their only response is "LOL underwater 8D Backgammon right?" as if that's an actual argument. All they care about is fracturing Trump's base.
>>140576962 Paul Ryan has honestly not been that bad. Main criticisms against him have been for comments he's made that were taken out of context to make it look like he was attacking Trump in general.
Ryan looks to be better about playing politics and jumping on issues that are LOOKING popular with voters. Which is still shitty because it's why he seemed a basic bitch conservative for years, but it also means that because Trump is popular that Ryan wants to work with him or at least make it look like he is.
>>140577286 >Policy matters, Trump about-facing on policy and becoming Obama-lite is depressing.
Because he's wanting to pass a relief package and budget bill to help people in Texas? What the fuck are you on?
>>140581321 What happens if the results are bullshit? Besides, you have to hold politicians to their words. If Trump thinks his base will support him no matter what then he may feel more liberal with his policies. It's called holding their feet to the fire. It's how constituencies have gotten their politicians to work for them for a long time now.
>>140581792 It's not. New voters feel like policy is a team sport and you must cheer your guy no matter what. If there's amnesty, no wall, more Obamacare, and no tax reform by 2020 then Trump will have to go back.
>>140559099 I've never been a "85D intergalactic dark souls" kind of guy.
But I think if republicunts enshrine Daca they are going to have a rough fucking time in 2018 when they come up for reelection, and I don't think Ben understands that Trump is still 'not one of them'. Ben is so faithful to party lines that Paul Ryan, John Kasich, Lyndsey Graham, and John McCain still sit favorably enough with him and I can't ever get passed when he said 'yeah Trump totally sexually assaulted that lady's and 'theres no way Trump will win' he's pretty smart on policy, but for a super smart lawyer type who's been involved in politics seemingly forever, he is very stupid on political strategy.
This week he said Trump had all this political capital because he handled Harvey so well and now everybody loves him because of it, so he should use that to do something controversial, and for the first time since the election I thought "wow Ben you aren't very smart" Trump is still very much fighting an uphill battle against the psychotic left that still think he's Hitler 2, maybe it would be smarter if he took the first year to do a lot of measured responses that are easy, things that while they look weak will exemplify that the dude is not a fascist, and is all about getting things done the legal way. Idk if this is the way Trump is intentionally doing it, but I think if he continues like this into year 2 and then changes it up depending on how likely it is he will win another term he can really shake the foundation, but I think Trump supporters still need to be very active and we need to meme up a better Congress to make substantial change.
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