Give me what is truly wrong with socialism pol, I need the redpill

Nothing.
Can you swallow it?

>>140496565
the fact that white people would have to live with niggers who suck up everything good about socialism

It depend on many factors, the place the race and technology.

I don't trust in a totally socialised society, but some sector must be socialised for being more efficient. If you like your people and nation of course.

>>140496565
The economic calculation problem

>>140496565
Sharing done by threat of force is theft

>>140496565
>sharing
>forced distribution
I fucking hate socialists

>>140496565
Some people don't feel like sharing, and forcing them to is tyranny, not utopia.

>>140496565
It's literally just another form of oligarchy

>Sharing
>Government with force of a gun takes your income from you
sure jogs the ol noggin

>>140496565
Socialism rewards people for nothing, so someone can easily get by without producing anything. Capitalism has many pitfalls, especially since it needs careful balanced regulations in place to keep it working, but it does force people to produce things at least.

>>140496565
>taking away anything you have by force, gunpoint, jail time, fine or taxes
>sharing

no

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>>140496565
Socialism
The radical idea of forcing someone to share at gun point.

FIXED

>>140496565
taking power from the strong and capable to give to the weak makes the society weaker overall

It's essentially fully devolved to just another identity movement.

>>140496565
As Maggie Thatcher said, it works great until you run out of other people's money. Reprimanding merit and rewarding sloth is a one way ticket to starvation until the population is small enough to make bread lines work.

>>140496565

Yeah, sharing of hunger

>>140496565
mandatory sharing is not something i approve.

more like

>Socialism: the radical idea of "sharing" your stuff with me.

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>sharing
You can't make this shit up.

PS: I share all the time. Willingly.

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>>140496565
It's based on these false assumptions about human nature, which psychology has consistently debunked:
>we aren't violent
>we naturally want to share
>greed is a product of society
>we don't have parental instincts
>we don't have a preference for our group
>all people are equal (tabula rasa)
>people are motivated without compensation

>>140496565
Socialism isn't "sharing", it's the government taking your stuff by force and distributing how they see fit, no matter how wrong they are.

>>140496565
Socialism is very good when you share with the people you have racial, cultural bonds with. It is called National Socialism.

>>140496565
>Everyone gets the same amount of money
>Do less work than everyone else
>Still get the same amount of money
>Everyone else catches on and does the same
>Becomes a nation of idle and hedonism

It's that easy to exploit

>>140497721
National Socialism respects private property

>>140496565
Socialism: the radical idea that the government should manage all of our lives because some people are still poor

>>140496565
Its not sharing if you have nothing to contribute.

>>140497752
sounds like Cuba tbqh

socialism is sharing with people without discrimination
every communist ive ever met hated more people than most nazis here
i dont see why theyed willingly have their money spent on bettering them
now in a perfect country with no crime and communist faggots you might have an argument

corrupt government

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Socialism rewards weak and stupid people who don't contribute much to society. It's good for well-being of people but bad for the country overall - weakens the military and economic potential in the long run.
Japan, Korea, China, all these countries started blooming then they introduced capitalist reforms. China hasn't much business regulations and now they're worlds 2nd superpower.
Western Europe, eg. Sweden, UK, are becoming more and more socialist and bureaucratic. Now EU is riddled with different crises.
Socialism is not the answer.

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>>140496565

>the radical idea of no refunds
thanks for the free beach house senpai

>>140497752
>Becomes a nation of idle and hedonism

Oh I see, your flag is the cause you have so much semen inside your brain.
Let a third worlder educated you "first" worlder:

>everyone stops working
>the ones who work or own a business go bankrupt
>bread lines
>Becomes a nation of poverty, hunger and death

tldr, venezuela

>>140497721
Nope. I'll take Fascism over Nazism every time.

>>140496565
>Work hard
>So others benefit

Check my country history, especially around our second republic. Once you know about what happened to us when we tried socialism you wouldn't want to touch it even with a stick from afar, like water to a rabid animal.

Sharing is charity.
Forced redistribution is socialism.

Why can't you socialists get that through your thick fucking skulls? Oh let me guess, it's justified because consensual trade is 'exploitation', right?

Fuck off.

>>140496565

why tho. why should I give my stuff to you? and what if I refuse?

>>140497612
> people are motivated without compensation

Add 'in a population greater than a Dunbar number' and you've got it.

>>140497615
do not forget and the mass killings and oppression

>>140496565
*forcing people who work for a living to give half their earnings to people who don't, and who don't deserve any

It's easy to be generous with someone else's money

>>140497721
like Hitlers Germany, that was National Socialism

>>140497420
Excellent! "You get more of what you subsidize (the poor) and you get less of what you punish (criminals)" G Gordon Liddy.

>>140496565
Socialist Critique of Capitalism:
> Organizing power in the hands of a small number of people is bad
Socialist Solution:
> Organize all the power in the hands of a small number of people via the government.

Its the idea of Force or Coerced "Sharing"

aka: Altruism.

>>140497948
>t. civic cuck
Fascism is right about a lot of things, but it doesn't go far enough. Blood and soil is how you ensure the survival of a nation.

>>140496565

Everything.

Do your own fucking work. Don't expect anyone beyond your immediate family to give a fuck about you or help you out in a jam for free.

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>>140496565
I have everything you need right here friend.

Here is the Gulag Archipelago on audiobook explaining how Socialism's final resolution defacto leads to authoritarian power that punishes success for the action of equality of results (rather than equality of opportunity) and gets violent to make independant individuals not be "greedy"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccASsjhhgP8&list=PLwt9OUJ1gdC8wPFUW4qcYdKv4q3G6CEmk

But surely the Kulaks deserve it, right?

>>140496565

fuck you

sharing is a dumb idea

why the fuck should i share what i have with you

>b-b-because it's nice

fuck you

"nice" is code for "submissive"

why the fuck should i be submissive

sure, i'll share with my blood

but sharing with some faggot strangers just because you think being submissive is a virtue?

fuck you

>b-b-but sharing makes the world better

you're fucking retarded

how the fuck is the world going to turn into the gay orgy that you want if i decide to share and be a huge submissive cuck

go tell the motherfucking heart-eating child-killing african warlord to share

see how he feels about your bullshit

you can only peddle this submissive shit among other submissive faggots like yoga instructors and broke-ass single mothers

wanton sharing is abject weakness

you want to prostrate yourself before random people because you think debasing yourself like that is a substitute for actually having good character

fuck that

i don't need to share my shit with random assholes to know that i have strong character

>if everyone had stuff, t-t-then there'd be no violence

what a gay pipe dream

you can share material goods, but you can't share the birthright of strength

the world boils down to strong vs weak

if you're weak, you're fucked

if you're strong, you fuck

giving up anything that makes you strong is stupid and counterproductive

why the fuck would i willingly give up assets to voluntarily get fucked

this is the problem with communist shitheads

they truly believe that getting fucked is virtuous behavior

they think that if everyone gets fucked, we'll all be better off

you're all fucking insane

fuck you

get the fuck off my lawn

>>140496565
>mr coconut man collects coconuts all day long
>he gets really really good at it while others suck at it
>he creates a machine or employs people to pick coconut in exchange for coconut
>lazy people who collect no coconut get hungry and starve
>ask coconut man for coconuts and he says no
>they get upset and steal coconut mans coconuts and kill him
>deplete supply of coconuts and everyone starves again
>But this time no coconut man to save the day

Thats whats wrong, alot more take than what they give.

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>>140496565
>I need the redpill
Road to Serfdom by Hayek. No one put arguments against socialism into words better than him.

The only real crime is theft.
Murder is theft of life. Rape is theft of sexual sovereignty.
Socialism is theft. Ever heard of the 80/20 rule? If you take most of the wealth/income of the top percent you are taking money away from the most productive people. Removing their incentive to be productive.
Our whole species, our whole civilisation is hanging on a knife edge. We need huge amounts of technological innovation to happen FAST. And you want to remove incentive from innovation?
Not only is socialism theft from the wealthy. It's theft from all of us.

>>140498303
/thread

>>140498367
I love reddit spacing yes

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>>140496565
Just watch some JP. He dismantles it quite handedly.

>>140498497
Is there a reason they do that? It honestly just looks like shit.

>>140496565
People forget the context in which soicalism was originally founded. During the industrial revolution, workers had virtually no rights and probably lived more miserable lives than hunters and gatherers tens of thousands years ago.

Vacations and week-ends are seen today as a given, but it had to be earned by socialists. With that said, socialism solves all problems of life with more state power. In many cases, it ended up with a totalitarian state that butchered its own people to the tune of millions.

Anacho capitalists I would say, are the opposite of socialists. They believe that government only makes thigns worse. Sure, free markets, on the long term, do igve better goods and services. But the downside is that it allows for the existence of pointless suffering. Say a service provider is acting irrational (humans are known to do that), and discriminates against a certain group, or does some sort of unethical behaviour. Certes, under a free market, that service provider would eventually be replaced by a competitor or realize that their behaviour is costing them money. But still, during that period of adjustment, during this period where an actor in the free market is acting subparly, there is undue suffering happening.

My point is, the role of goverment is to have social policies sufficient to alleviate its people's from preventable or easily defendable natural or economical distress. And ideally, provide tools for its citizens to reach their potential in the market.

TL;DR: The free market's priority is making money. Making money can sometimes be done on detriment of the population. The role of goverment is to prioritize the well being of its people and limit the market when it is detrimental

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>>140496999
I'll czech em.

its a ponzi scheme

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>>140498012
this guy gets it

>>140498654
It very

annoying

to read

that's why

I stopped

midway

>>140497930
you literally made the same point as he did

>>140496565
Nothing so long as it's coupled with nationalism.

>>140498497

bro i'm actually from myspace

i'm even typing this on a blackberry

>>140498654

great argument bro

cool memes

>>140498243
Soil, yes, blood, makes no sense in the USA. We're a nation of mongrels including "white" people who have blood of slavs, germanic, aryans, etc. I still hold on to the melting pot theory. Assimilate or GTFO. Helicopter Libertarianism is the way to go.

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>>140496565
Someone who's never been able to maintain wealth in a free society will squander it once it's been redistributed from the more competent. They will continue this trend until everyone is left destitute.

>>140498989
I love phone posters

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>>140496565
>muh sharing
Sharing other peoples stuff isn't sharing. It's stealing.

>>140496565
Sharing is great if you're a useless poor person but not so great if you're the guy with his shit together. I have some faggit neighbir that wastes his money on all kinds of dumb shit but never has a fuckin wrench. He's always trying to borrow mine and gets all pissy when I tell him no. This is the problem with socialism. Some people just suck at managing themselves and now it's everybody else's problem that my fuckface neighbor never has a wrench but has two jetskis he's used twice in four years. It's my fault he doesn't have a wrench according to socialists. Fuck them.

>>140497923
Man I forgot all about this shit. I knew a dude at work who donated like $2000 to Bernie and had like 7 bumper stickers on his car. Too funny.

>>140499081

try to contain your enthusiasm

i already have a main girl

you can be my side bitch tho

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>>140499051
The USA was segregated until not too long ago and it flourished like that. What's wrong with segregation?

>>140496565
Socialism: the radical idea of sharing other people's stuff because you're ineptitude prevents you from earning it yourself

>>140496565
Marxism. Marxism is the aspect of socialism that divides the population, encourages theft over altruism, and eventually leads to communism. Remove the oppression lens that encourages the (((international workers))) to overthrow all government based on the fact that there are wealthy people, and replace it with the fascist desires of self improvement and national pride, also with a homogenous society. Socialism can work when there is a high degree of trust and a ubiquitous ethic of hard work and self improvement. Marxism encourages acceptance of everyone for who they are, faults and all. Marxism denies you the ability to criticize other cultures. (((Marxism))) is a cancer that leads to communism no matter the government.

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>>140498367

>>140498367
Could not have put it more eloquently myself

>>140499431
Shut your ass up tyrone.

>>140496565
Sharing at gunpoint*

>>140496565
>Take from the nation and reditribute it to whomever

It's incomplete. It rejects national protectionist concepts. Therefore it's nothing but a drain on the people.

>>140499450
We need to legitimately help the nigs, and by that I mean not just exchange gibs for votes. I'm not arguing for widespread miscegenation, but we can't continue to maintain a class of unproductive people for purely political reasons. We need a cultural change that values skills and jobs, and the blacks need to be included. They have to have a stake in society, otherwise they have no reason to not be niggers.

>>140499706

haha cool meme dude

you had it saved on ur PC and everything

had no idea a meme champ was in this thread

>socializing the production of the West and the poverty of the 3rd world
We have to jump ship, this shit isn't going to end well

>>140500200
>Getting this asshurt
Reddit is bad for your brain

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>>140496565
Socialist want to enjoy sharing fruits, not the labor needed to grow them. End of story.

>>140496565
Communist can work on a local scale, where you know people.
But as soon as it gets to a level where unknown people have to make decisions about how things are shared is where you get your usual tyrant leader.
It will never work for nations.

>>140496565

Venezuela. that's all you need to know.

>>140497196

Lol totally false, a socialism work is EVERIBODY do their job, and share the time necessary.

No one values things they don't own.

>>140500417
same with democracy tbqh
the failed gods of the 20th century

The radical idea of saying yes to everything because too beta to state your ideas.

>>140498400
Came here to post this.

>>140500630
It's time for the dead God of the 20th century to reawaken...

Also, an overpowered state such as communist Russia represents a cruel inversion of how power is usually shared in humans societies.

The norm is that the patriarch of a family of humans holds power within its family. Then, the leader of a small town still has power over that town, but much less so than the way a father has power over its children.

In deeply socialist societies, the state has more power over children than their own parents.

I think that the defacto hierachy of who rules over a person, in an ideal world should be something like:
The person itself > its family > its community >its city/region > its country > aligned countries > the world at large

The problem with the EU for example, is that the supranational level is having more power over people than it should, as a result many see it as illegitimate (because it is) and oppose it.

I think the UN is a better model as it really does not hold much power, it is just some sort of fingerwagging at whatever state is behaving badly. Beware of anyone willing to relinquish power to a higher level of goverment. Power should always be relinquished to a smaller/more local level, not the other way arround.

>>140496565
>>140496565
Socialism precludes sharing because it is done at the point of a gun.

>>140500537
But that's not REAL socialism :^))))))

>>140500299

great analysis freud

whered you get your psychoanalytics degree

PS: im from AOL startpage breh, don't get it twisted

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>>140500801
indeed

>>140499113
>Bottom left
We used to laugh this off

>>140500156
Why need them at all? What exactly do they provide?

>>140498090
>forcing ppl

lol

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>>140497930
"Fuck you, what really happens is the exact same thing but re-worded.
I sure showed that guy."

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"Socialism" is a way of saying "communism." It's used to imply that any kind of public program funded by tax dollars is equivalent to Stalinist Russia.

Example: "You think infrastructure should be funded with taxes? What are you, a socialist?"

>>140496565
fuck off I hate shareting

>>140496565
>Share with someone
>They don't share back
>Die of starvation

>>140501005
Where the fuck would you buy a Nazi flag anyway?
Is it fucking available on Amazon or some shit?

>>140496565
Nothing, it's literally the only positive purpose of a society.

>>140496565
It's not sharing when you hold a gun to my head and take my shit away. Then it's just theft.

>>140496565
>socialism: the radical idea of stealing someone's property and giving it to someone else.

>>140497900
This guy knows it

>>140501464
silk road :^)

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>>140496565

>>140496967
would you be fine with it if there were no niggers?

>>140497900
>It's good for well-being of people but bad for the country
So it's good for actual real live human beings, and bad for an abstract concept (that really represents the rulers, be honest about it).

>>140496565
No one has a problem with sharing, it's the stealing that we have a problem with.

>>140497612
That's a general problem with "intellectuals". They come up with some shitty idea, wallow around a bit in it in their academic circlejerk till they are convinced that they just solved all of humanity's problems - and then when it fails the reality check they refuse to accept that they have been wrong and instead try to change humans according to their ideology rather than just adjusting their ideology to take into account how humans work.

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Sharing is caring, and I don't fucking care.

>>140501741
You forgot mexicans

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>>140496565
Nothing wrong with Socialism, it's never been tried yet.

>>140496565
Share? You want strangers to "share" with you? I'm sorry, if you want to share then share with your family. Take care of yourself. The instant other people start giving free shit, it creates a class of people who take and become dependent. Learn how people actually operate, not regurgitate shit you tell a 3 year old.

>>140496565
>is there anything truly wrong with forcibly "sharing" other people's wealth at gunpoint?

Gee, I don't know, OP, let me think about this for a while.

>>140501149
Currently, they largely provide much, much less than they're capable of because our current socialist policies subsidizes them to do nothing besides picking up welfare checks. OP suggests that the whole country should be like that because that's somehow more "fair."

>>140502233
>You want strangers to "share" with you?
It's not even just that, it's also other people telling you to share you wealth with a third party (because they are left in the delusion that the same policies wouldn't affect them).

Just heard one radio interview this morning where a woman went
>I think we should help all those refugees still stuck in other countries. We are rich, we can just cut costs somewhere else.
Fuck you you retarded cunt. If you truly mean that, cut your own expenses and donate money. Not a single fucking person on this planet will stop you from doing so (as naturally she was single and had no children).
Put your money where your moth is.

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What are socialists sharing?

See, Contributionists actually share stuff between themselves. What are socialists sharing of their own?

>at gunpoint

>>140496565
The radical idea of sharing, or else!

>>140502555
>listening to women's feefees

Yeah I stopped doing that awhile ago

>>140496565
there is nothing wrong with sharing.
it's called CHARITY.
Forcing people to be charitable, at gun point or threat of jail, isn't charity, it's taxation.

If you want to share your hard earned money (assuming you actually work) with others, you're more than welcome to.

>>140500156
This. Blacks were doing just fine until we started handing them shit for free. Suddenly they start being thugs and gangsters. Coincidence?

>>140502319
>>140502233
to be honest, my experience with USA (Im from Austria) is that its pretty social country overall, more social than post commie countries during the regime even, your big cities are build around a center where the things, the business the banking and the government (and local too) happens, you have everything divided and labeled, your streets are from north to south and east to west, McDonalts on ever major corner, you can literally go to new city and know where the popular restourants and venues are. And the waiting in line culture is really strong. This is rare in europe, and the stupid ruskies had the chance to rebuild most of the cities and build new ones, but they failed.

All I am saying is you have nice and well structured culture, its kinda what USSR imagined and dreamed of, but the mongoloids was never able to achieve it.

But you also have all the benefits from capitalism, free speech and freedom overall.

Great place to live in, you all gotta be thankful and try to protect it.

>>140500391
This is the general idea, the fact that they had to be send to work camps to find work is telling enough.
>>140502233
This is literally just the plot of Animal Farm.

>>140503020
I mostly do it to enjoy my anger. Every time they interview someone and introduce them with a female name you know that everything that follows will be retarded as fuck and bereft of any logic.

>>140496565
if we truly had socialism the bootlickers wouldn't have and boots to lick

>>140503254
Yeah, I do it as a reminder.

>>140496565
The radial idea of complete taxation, enforced with violence.

>>140499450
>>140500156
>>140501149
America was at its peak when it was a mixture of white mainly Western European nations all speaking English, segregated from Blacks, and loyal to the Constitution.

We've tried for 60 or so years to integrate blacks and it has been an abject failure. We never should have tried, especially when the states with the most blacks were screaming that it was impossible. They saw the reality.

America can restore much of its greatness if we deport most of the illegal and segregate blacks again. This is in progress. The end goal would be the limitation of the franchise to men.

>>140503476
why do meth addicts collecting welfare care?

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>>140496565

The govt takes my money and gives it illegal border crossers (who, by the way, are given more than the average canadian makes in a year) and I can't even get the oh-so-fucking-wonderful health care I am fucking paying for.

>>140504304
survival of the fittest, dipshit

>>140496565
Capitalism = the radical idea of not sharing, not even with your wife.
Socialism = the normal idea of not sharing your means of production with foreigner investor who doesn't works and only piles up money for himself.
There is no sharing in Socialism, but there is forceful sharing with boss in capitalism.

I can't wait to see the results from the first year of righteous wingnut policies.
it's only been 6-7 month

>>140504556
Except when the government arbitrarily decides you're not fit because you are a legal citizen of your own country.

>>140504737
>but there is forceful sharing with boss in capitalism
lmao
I guess you ignore the part where he shares his machinery with you so you can produce something worthy

maybe if the righteous weren't such class traitors porky wouldn't be able to buy the politicians and get the rules he wants

>>140505327
You ignore that part where he shouldn't be owning machines, since he's a useless leech who inherited money from monarchy and allied with other ex-monarchy useless leeches who wrote privatization laws that allows foreigners to invest. When i am born i instantly own everything where i am born, anything not in my possession from nature, women and machinery is simply stealing from me. You don't own my land, never will, it's only your struggle where you stealing from me, but at end of day, if not this day, maybe in 1000 years foreigners will all be exterminated, either by government, people or simply because people will want to own the birthland and will simply blow-up whole planet. I deserve to live here, you deserve nothing, not even a cent of your billions or trillions of international dollars. Dollars is illegal, anti-human currency, should be banned.

Socialism doesn't belong in America, its not exactly wrong though. If someone wants to be a socialist country let them, but not here. We are individualist nation with the core idea of working your ass off and getting what you desire. Now everyone gets what they desire without paying for it (welfare, health insurance in general) Everyone wants the new iphone, everyone wants dental care, but not everyone can afford these things. Yes some have struggled and are trying to get better, and they usually recieve help from people in their lives that recognize this. Then we have the bulk of the people who just don't want to work. They want to spend all their time working on their "art" or playing vidya or shit. So many people just don't want to do anything. Their goal is to do nothing. As a citizen I refuse to support them. That's what families are for, but socialism is all about dissolving the family structure and sucking the teat of the state. Now we are all children to the gracious government. Leftists are subservient little bitches who are begging to be thralls

>>140504556
survival of whoever votes left to leech more only to incur in either a system collapse or a civil war am i right

>>140496565

Look at the evidence. Socialism either reduces wealth when implemented partially and slows down economic growth. Or when full blown collapses economies and reduces everyone to poverty.

Socialism as an economic system does not work. If it did I would honestly say so but it does not.

>>140506035
>he's a useless leech who inherited money from monarchy and allied with other ex-monarchy useless leeches who wrote privatization laws that allows foreigners to inves
that's a huge assumption to make
besides there's nothing wrong with inheritance

>>140506338
pretending we have options. pretending everything is not already owned. pretending all you have to do is start your own car manufacturing business

>>140496565
Socialism: the radical idea of stealing someone else's money

>>140506515
Oh really, then why is poverty, crime, non-native births on the rise in every ex-Socialistic country? You are full of shit Christian than shouldn't have any rights, lying maggots like you belong in mental institution. Capitalism hasn't improved anything in not even one ex-Socialistic country, not 1 thing has improved. Divorces are higher, pollution is higher, crime is higher in capitalism. Socialism didn't had homeless. You have 50 million living in poverty and homeless in every city.

>>140506803
why not they bought the politicians and stole it from everyone else

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>>140496565

The entire foundation of socialism is based on theft

The entire foundation of capitalism is based on forced altruism. Capitalism is a vehicle that turns mans selfish nature into a way to serve others first. I make the car for you first then I get paid. I make the food first then I get paid. I make the house first then I get paid. The service comes first.

Socialist have to steal the means of production and then force everyone to work at gun point.

socialism looks at the worst parts of capitalism and tries to change it.

capitalism sees it's worst part not as a feature of capitalism but a feature of humanity, becoming a catalyst to mitigate the damage of those human flaws while maximizing the best parts.

capitalism looks at humans as inherently selfish so it incentivizes them to produce as much value for society by allowing them to reap the results

Equality does not exist in nature nor does it exist in capitalism, however, losing in nature means death, losing in capitalism at it's worst means homelessness.

capitalism cant survive if the inequality gap is too wide, hence why it relies on government to create regulation that fight some of the natural 80/20 laws where the top 20% of any kind of living system end up with 80% of the spoils.

Socialism tries to close the gap by attempting to regulate human nature, assuming the best of our intentions. Socialism assumes people will work 90 hours a week creating new medicines for limited amount of income only because it benefits mankind, whereas capitalism knows people will only do that if there is the possibilities of making infinite income as a result

>>140506909
If capitalism is so bad, why did the American worker have more wealth and better working conditions than the soviet worker?
>>140506763
>t. lazy leech

>>140504737
wth is that definition of capitalism?

Yea, we've been living in a capitalist world for hundreds of years, never shared nothing, until socialism came hahahahhaha

its just like saying individualism means rejecting to help others...

On the other hand, socialism is based on forced share, instead of equality of oportunity, it's equality of results. So a person that is more qualified, does more, does not earn more.

You build a factory, with your years of hard work and savings, and its not your property...

Capitalism is based on free market and private property . These are it's pillars... stop being autistic. You are selling your talent for the hour, not the product, so your boss, that invested millions to make the company, does not need to give you its profit >.>

>>140496565
Socialism: The radical idea of being forced to work for those who refuse.

>>140496906
how about norway?

>>140503617
>the limitation of the franchise to men
History tells us Rome will have to burn, the Empire will have to fall into barbarism, and the Church will have to restore order by burning adulterous women alive at the stake.

>>140496565
>Give me what is truly wrong with socialism
It only works in a homogeneous society made up of people dedicated to make it work.
If you force socialism onto any group against there will it has to fail, only if everyone truly works together to create a better society for everyone it can work.
Examples where it has worked: Nazi Germany
Examples were it didn't work: Venezuela, USSR

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>>140506657
That's not assumption, that's a fact. What inheritance? Oh you mean that imaginary money you printed yourself or the gold you stolen from past? In Socialism you had to prove how you made that money. Every one, without exception who is rich stolen 100%, you can't get rich without stealing, it's impossible. You can't logically produce more without removing native production, bribing, destroying native people or nature, it's simply not possible. You have to destroy something to sell more of something, like for example native production and when that's destroyed you are now destroying native people for Africans are cheaper. Capitalism is a no brainer self-ass wiping system of connected leeches, then never produced a thing on their own, all they do is exploit and circulate money. Why do i fucking need a boss? Because Christian maggots need some higher fucker who fucks them. First lesson: boss isn't needed everywhere. Second lesson: boss should be voted by workers, nobody else.

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>>140496565

>Sharing

AKA take from ME, that works and only earns 62K a year after getting a technical job straight out of community college, to give to the lazy, the poor and the immigrants. Fuck you. Fuck you to high hell with a cactus dripping in acid.

>>140496565
There's nothing wrong with socialism. Capitalists just want to take everything they can and never give anything in return, the fact of life is that you can't get anywhere or so anything without sharing or relying on someone else's good graces.

How many Americans can call themselves Christians without realising their hypocrisy I will never understand. I guess they too have to be able to sleep at night.

>>140507524
Just be your own boss if it bothers you so much. I know several people who got rich without stealing. I'm not rich myself, but I'll soon be a STEM grad and have more of a chance.

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>>140507144
Capitalism is bad because like i already said, in every ex-Socialistic country:
- crime is higher
- pollution is higher
- divorces are higher
- healthcare is worse and more expensive
- degeneracy is more widespread
- poverty is higher
- homeless exist
- people don't own so much
than in Socialism. All capitalism do is pretend things are great when people can't afford to form families any longer and are constantly exploited at work, when everybody is in debt, ehhh smile says the Christian fucktard capitalist, smile he says because you going to work like a slave for nothing and then you can happily enter imaginary land heaven when maggots eat you in dirt. Capitalism didn't invent anything, it just transferred inventions to own account, because capitalism gave money for investment to foreigners and leeches, instead of own people. This world works on money, so you can't invent or own your invention without external leeching help.

>>140496565
A system where the person with the least wins the most and the person with the most to offer is penalized more than anyone else is the destruction of mankind.

If you want to give up that bad just lay down and die.

>>140507901
>There's nothing wrong with socialism. Capitalists just want to take everything they can and never give anything in return, the fact of life is that you can't get anywhere or so anything without sharing or relying on someone else's good graces.
Wow, so because you'd give nothing if you weren't coerced into doing it.
>How many Americans can call themselves Christians without realising their hypocrisy I will never understand. I guess they too have to be able to sleep at night.
Christ never endorsed taking what belongs to others. And Christians give to church, which does a much more efficient job of helping the poor. Just look at Caritas.

>>140507078
hahahahaha, yea the worst parts of 200 years ago. Capitalism changes itself, it is not fixed on certain things as features...

Socialism will lead to no developments, as it tries too hard to obtain equality of outcome, and not of oportunity. It is unfair to the talented, and privaleges the useless, lazy cunts.

Why do you think when capitalism came, tecnology evolved at the rate which it did? Vacines, internet, cars, planes, every single thing, in such a short period.

Socialism does not reform capitalism, it completely removes it, and saying other wise, shows you only know what you've heard of it, and not what it actually is.

>Capitalism cant survive if the inequality gap is too wide

Who told you this? That's completely stupid and false. Understand this, socialism, like in venezuela, leads to poverty, because it cant sustain itself.

Equality can be of oportunity, and even equality to those who are equal, and non to does who arent. You are too tied up to ideology.

The government doesnt need to do nothing for there to be a 80/20. Capitalism is individualistic, it runs it self, the fact yo mentioned goverment is blasfemy.

You must first know what capitalism is before you shit on it.

>>140496565
>Sharing

Nice understanding of economics you cum gargling fuckwit

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cheer for your betters wingnuts
the banks are gonna make a killing no matter what

>>140507493
>socialism is the extraordinary belief that extraordinary people will be willing to be extraordinary for no incentive as they won't be able to reap any benefits for the advancements they bestow among their fellow men

i don't believe in either pure socialism or pure capitalism, but that quote is fucking retarded. fuck keynes.

>>140508136
Dude, the USSR had a literal economic collapse and was then plundered by Yeltsin and his cronies. It's not capitalism to blame for that. It's corruption. The best countries to live in the world have the highest economic liberty, that's a fact.

>>140507938
Oh really, do i compete with my 10000 euro with multibillion dollar companies? Do i compete with my 10000 euro by rating with global media? Why pretend? You are wasting time, only smart move is to kill them, not swim with them. Are you going to get fucked like a faggot just to prove you are competing? There's nothing to understand, no point in figuring out if i don't have same starting possibilities like the richest man on planet. Competition is retardation. This is why everything is failing, because people don't want to compete in babies with some retarded money niggers from Africa, what's the point? You are creating their world, not your own.

>>140507901
>>140508208
>There's nothing wrong with socialism. Capitalists just want to take everything they can and never give anything in return, the fact of life is that you can't get anywhere or so anything without sharing or relying on someone else's good graces.

Wow, so because you'd give nothing if you weren't coerced into doing it you assume nobody else would. Takes one to know one, I guess. Leftism is a projection of one's own selfishness. Most socialists I know are tax evaders.

>>140507469
nazi germany was not socialist. This is a myth, they used the name nacional socialism because it was popular at the time(socialism).

Thats why when they lost, the ones that helped them get to power was companies that supported hitler and the group.

Nazism is a form of facism, the confusion is only by name, but in nazi germany it was still a form of capitalism, as private property, free market(of course, under an autoritarian goverment, but lets not forget about keynesianism, which is capitalist), and other fundamental things were still in play

>>140508422
We are living every day in economic collapse my boy, we don't own anything, can't buy houses, don't own companies, don't own women, don't even own our race. Are you retarded or something? What does collapse mean, what they make it out to mean. Go and make 6 white daughters so they can be raped and thrown under the slave machinery if you that stupid.

In nutshell you get bunch of people with no expertise or possibility of personal failure deciding on things in arbitrary ethical basis.

Just ask yourself why Noam Chomsky who has criticized corporations for decades not running his own very successful industry business if he knows so damn well as he implies he knows. He really has no clue about anything and same applies to all the other slimes of left.

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>>140508382
if hard work made people prosperous the women of the third world be rich

>>140508136
do you know why the left socialism? economic collapse, what happens after economic collapse? read your comment.

Ever loaned someone something?

How did it work out?

Socialism.

Propertarianism or bust, chumps

>>140508477
Why do you need to compete with multimillion dollar companies? You can't possibly be this daft.
You can be self employed and progress, don't expect to become rich overnight.

>>140508663
You can thank socialism for that.

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>>140508720
nice infograph leaf

thank god we built a world around the needs of a few greedy people instead of the needs of the rest

>>140508772
Economic collapse in Socialism meant million times less collapse we have now when we aren't collapsing. Who the fuck cares in Socialism if economy collapses? We didn't buy much, we owned land, you got own produce, why would i care if 5 universities and 5 supermarkets collapse? Because that's how many existed. Collapse is a human made construct when you enter international financial system. People don't collapse one day out of nowhere, every financial crisis is created by phone call you stupid monkey, you don't simply start collapsing one morning, you collapse because they want you to collapse so they can own your ass.

Capitalism: The radical Idea of Working

>>140508871
There's not one person in capitalism that is self-employed, you wipe ass of English, you wipe ass of Microsoft, you wipe ass of dollar, you wipe ass of world media trends, all you do whole day is try your best to lick the anus of elites who wiggle with their butts and trying to catch some of their shit that is dropping out. They decide even what type of corn you have to plant, else no merchant will ever buy from you, they decide what chemicals you need to use to spray, everything is decided, you are just nerding out for fat capitalistic anuses.

>>140508663
just because you don't understand it, doesnt make it false.

I dont think you understand capitalism, so i'll make this simple for you to understand, a guy makes nice shoes, he get money for the shoes. Since he is the best in the town, he can make only so many, so he makes the price higher.

After 10 years, he has enough money to buy a factory, and he pays others to make shoes with him. Now the money that he made in 10, he now makes in 1 year. But he had to invest 10 years to get there.

After 10 more years, his company is national, he does not need to make any shoes, because he has thousands working for him.

So it took him that long for him to get to where he is, it is wrong that he has a big company, or a lot of money?

This is capitalism, you work hard, save up, invest wisely, and you can become rich. Did you know, if you had 1000 dolars, and invested perfectly, in one year, you could become the richest man by a mile away.

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>>140496565
>stealing property at gunpoint and massively expanding state power is sharing
wew

>>140509118
>we owned land
you owned nothing, the state did

>>140504945

if wingnuts keep winning one day they will only be costumers in their own country

>>140497612
>>people are motivated without compensation
they are though

>>140508208
>Wow, so because you'd give nothing if you weren't coerced into doing it.

I would, because wealth isn't the most important thing in the world. For people to come into their own they have to atleast have decent living standards. Do you really think some hot shot banker with a yacht is that much different from John Q living paycheck to paycheck? The thing with capitalism is that it strips humanity of everything it touches, you look at people as exploitable goods. And if you're not a 'rich' wanker, you're probably the majority of victims. It's useful idiots like you that they're counting on to defend the very system that strips you of a life of dignity. Because lest you be associated with those poor people right? Good job retard, keep perpetuating the problem.

>>140500554
>hur dur im retarded: the post

>>140496565
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp

>>140496565
>add nationalism

Get no argument

>>140496565
>Sharing your stuff
Fixed it for hou

>>140509821
I'm poor, but at least not Cuban poor, Venezuelan poor or North Korean poor and with stomach cancer.

>>140509928
but that's who the godly look up to

>>140509928
And this is why Keynesians are a blight upon humanity.

>>140509118
no, thats not the problem. the economic collapse leads to products being scarse in the market. Lets just look a venezuela for a second.

Their stores did not have toilet paper, food was lacking, you would have an incredicably hard time surving a good life there. If the stores and universities collapse, there is no good future for the country

No tecnological evolution, no vacines, its regressive, and in the end, you won't even have internet, if eletricity stops working(eventually). The only reason youd have internet, was because of a capitalist country. I am not refering to a financial crysis, a collapse happens when it cannot hold it self.

You can see this in any socialist country, it cannot hold it self. There will be no progress, the only one who could hold the country would be the government, turning autoritarian, and bam, its another stalin/mao tse tung/castro.

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>>140509928
>for the greatest good of everyone
that's not how it works, they do things that benefit themselves and the benefit of others is just a subproduct

>>140509474
Governments of countries in international system don't have native shit, they are only paper boys for big bangs and international elites. They can't even prevent paying NATO or refugees they don't want. Capitalism surely isn't hard work, it's miserable work for nothing and yes the harder you work, more they see they can exploit you and pay you less money, since you shown yourself to be a retarded Christian who thinks boss needs more money than you worker. Will you give your wife also to your boss? Sure you would, it's very popular in USA. They give boss money and their wives, so stupid they are and then they dance like monkeys with their forced migrants from Mexico, le based Mexicans, le based Muslims, le based niggers, le based Jews, they take like prostitutes whatever their free democracy stuffs into them forcefully. When day is done they say thank you master for giving me opportunity to show myself useful to your lord, hallelujah, now i need a buttplug, because i am used to mental fucking already.

>>140496565
it's not WILLINGLY sharing, it's forced sharing. disincentivizes achievement because everything you achieve will be appropriated to people who don't

you're held back by your weakest link

>>140510188
the morally superior ladies and gentlemen
just don't look at the evil

>>140510116
Economic collapse is man-made by phone call like the whole man-made economic banking system. People don't collapse out of blue sky all at once, especially not now when they say borders and countries don't exist. Then those same biggots claim we can collectively collapse with economy, how can we do that if we don't exist as country and everybody is human legal of planet? Then by this logic whole planet should collapse in instant.

>>140509928
but funny enough keynesianism is capitalist. after the crisis in 1929, the state semi-intervening, and putting money into the market, to help other companies grow and stay alive while helping individuals with social benefits is a really good strategy.

>>140496967
it should read
>the idea of radical sharing

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>>140510341
dude ... lmao dude
you LITERALLY posted a quote calling business people "the wickedest"...
you call your opponents selfish evil men... my god the left is made up entirely of morons

>>140510039
>I'm poor, but at least not Cuban poor, Venezuelan poor or North Korean poor and with stomach cancer.

And I bet all those people lead a much happier life than the shitposting larper on an imageboard.

>>140510722
that's what it looks like to the idiot bootlickers I guess

why do you love capitalism so much?
aren't you a welfare bum that wants to cut your only way to eat?

>>140510260
no, my wife is mine and my property is mine. but i sell my hours, not my product, if you cant understand this, then you will never understand capitalism, and just stay in a bubble.

When you have money, you use money to make money, the more you have the more you can make. When you have enough, you can sustain yourself without working. It's simple, if you cant understand that...

You keep saying giving your wife to your boss, you know that actually never happens? Right??? This is hilarious, how are you so out of touch with reality hahahahaha

>>140510722
who's the moron?

>>140496565
it has never worked in the history of mankind
it always either fails and resets to violence
or it moves into communism killing more people than anything else in history

>>140511188
Says the namefriend

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>>140511119
I love capitalism because it does not require violating people's rights to operate. It also produces the highest quality of life for those at all levels of society when allowed to function and is not interfered with by moralist cocksuckers like you and Keynes. The irony of someone calling pro-liberty types bootlickers while advocating a system that requires totalitarian control over society is enough to choke a starving Soviet.

>>140511188
still you, fag

>>140496565
Forced sharing.

>>140511242
if it doesn't work how do you explain n korea china ect?

>>140511579
tell that to the people of iraq

>>140510459
>economic collapse is man-made by phone
clearly has a deep understanding of economics
economic collapse has nothing to do with literal collapse... economy isnt a physical thing, it has value that can change over time. A company is worth a certain value, a dolar is worth a value, all in relation to another thing. Even debt.

Just look at germany, the made their money so worthless, you'd need a backpack of money, just to buy one bread. Because its all relative to how much is in the market vs how much people look for it.

If you are interested in understanding economy, I cant be bothered to write a book in a thread, you should really do some research before claiming its false. Its not simple, but it works by itself.

This is just like rejecting the earth as a planet, because you dont understand physics.

>>140511754
Held in place by acts of violence. Not the same as "working".

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>>140511754
oh you fucking faggot i fell for it
don't overplay your hand next time and you can continue exttacting (you)s longer

>>140509811
could we get an example Anon?

>>140511967
unlike capitalism eh?

>>140511185
Economic growth doesn't exists in capitalism, man-made construct.
Economic growth can only exist in system where people collectively own the economy. Capitalistic economy is owned by international elite, so if something goes wrong it's only blamed on people, but people didn't cause it, because people don't own skyscrapers and banks, they can't possibly responsible for crisis. If i owned all banks and companies of my country i couldn't possibly collapse, since i own it all, what's there to collapse if everybody uses my buildings and services. I might force myself to collapse so that people who use my resources could have less rights/power to my ownership. The key here is to have power over people, that's the final thing, not money. Wars can achieve ownership, money can achieve ownership, stealing can achieve ownership, but it's all about ownership. Capitalism is just a system where you run in hamster wheel chasing ownership until end of your life, the ownership that should belong to you from day 1, since it's your birth land for crying out loud. A deer owns his forest, his bitches, his food and water. Humans buy water in bottles and don't own anything, not even own food production, now with GMO not even own planted plants. You own your wife, how? She can leave you any day, jump niggers, she's not even native to your land, she was imported for you, your whole country is a rape mix from conquistadors, religion you cherish so dearly forced upon you, your nature corrupted, you language forced on you. You own what they provided for you, you are a dancing monkey inside system.

>>140512104
Yeah, basically.

>>140511967
he's trolling. how did that post not make it obvious?

>>140512211
Oh I know he is, but I'm bored.

>>140496565
Not possible in a non-homogeneous, low trust society. I would have no issue helping my fellow white American, but it pisses me off when my tax dollars go to illegal Mexican citizens and lazy shitskins.

>>140512000
the entire linux community

>>140512210
delusional

>>140511824
well, you are refering to neoimperialism, which can be excerted a long side capitalism. dont treat it as one specific ideology, it has many branches and ways of being put into action. Just compare old england capitalism with todays one(neoliberalism).

Liberalism in capitalism failed, then came keynesism(another capitalism that worked to get back the economy, by investing large sums in the market), then came neoliberalism. But we see sustainable ones, countries that keep old systems, and some new ones.

capitalism leads to progress in tecnology, there is pressure to be your best, so you can be rewarded as such.

North Korea vs. South Korea

>>140496565
Wtf I love forced sharing now!

>>140511899
Your dilemma between you and me is that you don't understand that i don't want to be conquered by capitalistic conquistadors, don't want to use their language or bottled water, don't want their refugee provided wives, but you do, you like people telling you what to do. Our country seen in 100 years ban and forceful learning of following languages: German, English, Russian, Hungarian, Serbian. So you see i don't want to become Merkel's conquered land. I don't want to be told what technology from USA i should learn, what language i should know from foreigners, i don't want to buy their shit, no matter how good, i don't want to use their money, i don't need their Arabic/Serbian wives, i don't need to buy nature from myself.

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>>140512893
Then the world will just keep going and you will die, its evolution

>>140512504
You're welcome to point to evidence of capitalism being nearly as bad as communism.

>>140512893
>you like people telling you what to do
he says as he advocates for the state telling him what he can do with his property.

>>140496709
Is there something to swallow in socialism?

>>140513000
No, you will die, mr. mestizo melting pot Christian, we will survive, since we have own opinion. People without own opinion sit in corner and get fucked, that's how it is, this is why North Korea is a threat, so small and yet so powerful, you will never be. Your economy will never rise, since why should international elites gives you more of pie if they don't need to? White people will die if they don't start killing niggers, since niggers also got rights after they fought for it. Nothing is given to you for free.

>>140513206
Sure thing mr. we always send money to Israel and boss firing me without a reason any minute. Keep on slurping that billionaire cum.

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>>140496565
fixed that pic for you OP

>>140496565
>sharing
>at gunpoint

>>140512132
>Economic growth does not exist in capitalism
how can one be so out of touch with society... so who controls it? the government?

Your argument is: they cant possibly be responsible... well you just havent ever looked the subject up, so of course you wouldnt understand it.

Try to explain someone quantum physics, and they won't, because they never studied. I've never spoken to someone, so out of touch...

What is the capitalistic economy? What are you refering to? The market share?

A crysis isnt caused by one person, its caused by the collective.


Okay okay, i've got a historical case, which will make you understand.

In 1920-1929 the world was in debt to the US, thanks to the war, the US was on the rise, and turned into the biggest country in the world. But
europe was trying to reconstruct its economy, so they made it hard for outside countries to enter their market(With high as fuck taxes).

And companies in the US, didnt get money from banks, because at the time, they werent as rich as today, and werent as fast. So they sold part of their companies.

So when they wanted to invest, they sold part of their companies. And to enter the market of europe, they started MASS PRODUCTION, and just made so many products, that they were so cheap, that even after the taxes they were cheaper than the competition in europe.

But how did they get the money to do this? Well they sold so many parts, that each one, was becoming worthless, you bough 10000 for 1 cent. And people stopped buying it, because they couldnt buy so many worthless papers, the companies couldnt get money, people started to sell those worthless things, the companies went bankrupt, no one could get the money, bam 1929 crysis.

If everyone tryes to take out their money from a bank, the bank will go bankrupt because most of it is virtual money.

So now you understand how something can collapse, right?

So ownership. Yes, money can buy things, things are good. your point?

>>140513352
>we will survive, since we have own opinion

Nah your opinion doesnt matter if your technology falls behind. Here in Chile we will keep surviving as good goys. NK can be edgy only because China supports it, its not powerful at all. Isolationism will make you lose

>>140496565
Socialism isn't sharing, sharing requires both parties to consent, the giver and reciever.

Socialism is when you point a gun at someone and take their shit because you don't have what they have regardless of the fact that you're a lazy leech piece of shit and they do literally all the work.

>>140512989
dammit, nice bait dou

>>140514016
Are you deliberately pretending to be stupid? I told you already, people of countries don't own economy, because they don't own banks, they don't own government buildings, they don't own companies. People in capitalism are workers, they don't even own houses, they rent them. So how can workers cause financial crisis if elites pull all the strings who to employ and so on? I sure hell don't vote for bosses and taxes. Same elites own multiple countries, they fail because they want to fail, they want you to be more enslaved, so you don't ever reach them. They can also import refugees, to dumb you down further, create Brazilian mulattos, it worked there, you kill each other, roll in dirt in favelas, blame god and government, instead of owners of banks or companies. That's your goal too you shill. This fake Communist vs. Nazi bullshit. There are no Nazis or Communists in power, just capitalists, they own multiple countries, so why are workers responsible? Because your government is in the pockets of them, they are dogs for banks and money. I will never feel responsibility for something i don't own/control, no matter how hard you shill.

>>140512893
i hate merkel too, but she is not the only capitalist country in the world. Money is for quality of life, some need alot, some need a little. I live in a beatiful place, with a great family, have everything i'd want. No muslims, no shit heads. Capitalism is not something that you get conquered by, but just something the market uses to develop it self. Don't demonize it, you can reject it, but if you keep seeing it in one dimention, you cant help but start creating misconceptions of it.

>>140512385
They benefit from what they create, retard, just because they don't stick a price on it doesn't mean they don't.

>>140501827
> instead try to change humans according to their ideology rather than just adjusting their ideology to take into account how humans work.

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>>140512385
Linux is just a more advanced marketing strategy, give the product for free but charge for services and support to companies

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>>140515016
Nah let me call you stupid again and tell you some more things you don't own xD

>>140497196
meme tier
voluntary unemployment was illegal in the USSR as social parasitism.

(which is naturally abhorrently totalitarian, but y'know.)

>>140514958
who control banks? computers??? haahaha. Who creates a company? If you make a company, of course you are going to hire those to work for you. And those who you hire can in the future create another company.

Oh, here in brazil we dont really import many refugees, actually people protest against it, this is your problems. I dont blame the goverment for nothing, nor do I blame god, thats stupid

How many misconceptions can you make of me? Corruption is a problem, banks can be abusive, companies can do harm. Government isnt one person, nor is a bank one person, nor is a company one person.

The government is resposible for a making a system that protects those so they are not abused by the system.
If companies do wrong, they are to be punished. That's why competition and free market is so important.

If monopoly exists, companies can abuse, but if it doesnt, then these companies will die out, because of its consumers. Ever heard of boycott?

>>140513830
Satanist do nothing really, we are a peaceful people

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You misspelled stealing.

>>140498012
>Oh let me guess, it's justified because consensual trade is 'exploitation', right?

It's because you have all these retarded 20 year old entitled millenials who always have it their way thanks to their parents, then they come to the real world and see that other people also have a fair playing field when it comes to their interests, they fail at dealing and compromising with other people, so they feel exploited by the fact others won't bend for them, so they result into using brute force and guns to enforce their demands and call it Socialism.

The whole ideology is based off of Marx's sociopathy, they guy never worked a day in his life and lived by taking other's money, Marx didn't respect the fact that others were as human as him and had the same right, so he felt entitled to what other's have.

>>140506338
Social Democracy, when the 51% percent votes to use guns to take the 49% percent's money for themselves.

But no, socialism is not greedy!

>>140515728
Who created Brazil? Who decided you will breed with niggers? Who gave you language? Who decided your money? You jerk around with your stocks, pumping up companies you don't own, giving them power, when they fuck your land, enslave you. It doesn't matters how much banks and companies loose money in financial crisis, since they are still owners, they still control, they still fuck bitches, that's how it is. Government doesn't listens to people, we vote for their media provided candidates, we decide nothing what those candidates do. Government can't even say no to nigger migrants or have own military, that's hostage situation, no money control, no army control, no population control. Your freedom is a prison of international government of any little shit price with money, not less government.

>>140507493
Capitalism ultimately makes everyone to specialize for maximum efficiency, forcing people to trade for what they got and don't want, for what they don't have but want.

> Socialism is the extraordinary belief that people will work for you, think about you, and care about you because you're special and nobody else is human, so they just want to please you.

Some kids share their crayons, some kids will take some of your crayons, and some kids punch you in the face and take all your crayons. The last group are socialists.

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>>140507979
Amen brother!

>>140496565
Socialism provides equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity, meaning the best and brightest have to fail so the least able can succeed. Any system set up with this in mind is doomed to failure
See- Venezuela

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How bout you sher sum of dat computer you small white boi?
pussy ass bitch

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>>140496565
Human nature. There will always be people looking out for an advantage and unless you can get 100% co-operation in socialism it will never work as idealized. Period. Capitalism actually works with these human failings. Even the most viscous, greedy bastard needs his grass cut, his house built, his boat maintained and he will naturally seek the best person for each job and pay what he has to.

Absolutely nothing. Just stay away from authoritarian tendencies.

>>140496565
Holding a gun to someones head and taking their property by force isn't sharing.
The only thing socialists should share is a mass grave.

>>140496565
There's nothing wrong with sharing what's yours.
When you decide to share what's someone else's there's a potential for all kinds of problems.

>>140496565
Ain't nothing wrong with socialism as long as its national socialism.

>>140496565
>Socialism: the radical idea of TAKING

>>140518786
Great, now remove the plurals

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"small government"

>>140496565
It's a trust issue. Lots of problems with it.
Race: SJWs taking everything from "privileged whites" unfairly.
Ability: The people who need resources probably need them precisely because they're not good at managing resources.
Corruption: The "sharing" just ends up being an excuse to take people's money and give it to government cronies, as usual.

>>140496565
Every version of socialism except for national socialism is proven to fail. The only form that works, everyone's against

>>140515383
most of the linux community is willing to solve problems for you for free.

>>140496565
Gets you a lot of parasites

>>140496565
It goes against the axiom of ownership of personal property. Therefore it is incongruent not only with macroeconomic models, but also manifests itself as totalitarian at the individual's treatment.

Also I've never met a socialist with good posture.

>>140496565
Without profit and loss signals, government can never be efficient. Profit communicates that a product or service is more valuable to people than the cost to manufacture or provide it. Competitors devise efficient alternatives to attempt to divert profits. The only way to keep up is to lower prices and make production or provision more efficient.

What socialists are saying is that if government becomes the single provider in entire industries, it will be more cost-effective and efficient than competing businesses without profit and loss signals, but instead heavily delayed election signals.

This is patently, provably false. In addition, services for which the cost is shunted off to tax bills see a ridiculous increase in demand while they become less efficient. This new demand plateau creates a massive supply shortage at the same (and decreasing due to inefficiency) level of supply as before the government takeover. These services, instead of being rationed by prices, instead become rationed by wait times and drops in quality, as we see across Western nationalized industries.

Basically, socialists are completely ignorant of how the real world responds to their utopian policies. The politicians don't care though, people repeatedly vote for broken utopian promises over and over.

>>140519943
>no evidence provided

Please show me these people who work for free.

>>140496565

Socialism means big government, which means high taxes, thus welfare and ultimately native genocide through immigration.

>>140496565
Socialism: the idea that you can force other people the pay other people just because they don't have exactly the same amount of wealth.

>>140496565
"Sharing" is a voluntary act, while wealth redistribution is theft.

>>140496565
haha I misread "sharing" as "starving"

>>140521169
go on the archlinux wikipedia, stackexchange, google any linux distribution and it is always free to download

The radical idea of STEALING

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>>140496565
The only context in which socialism truly works is a nuclear family, because that is the only scenario in which the top earners care as much or more about the well being of every other member of the group than they do for themselves.
Any attempt to extend socialism beyond that will be diminished. Even in a small tribe of people that agree to live and work together, some will contribute more than others, leaving those less contributing members with less status in the group, even if they get the same resources.
Trying to extend socialism by threat of violence out to a whole country is retarded, and trying to do it to multi-ethnic countries is beyond retarded, as the individual groups residing within not only do not care about the other groups, but in many cases consider them as enemy competition for resources.

>>140527339
Properly functioning systems have an appropriate scale. For the commune, it's a village. For socialism, it's the family. Any larger, and things get out of hand.

>>140527339
couldn't have said it better

+1

I don't like sharing.

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>>140515880
obviously satanists don't do anything, they are cowards. they get the police to defend their covens and gathering houses. dogs will follow orders because mom and dad never loved them.

your day of the rope will come, filth.

>>140496565
sharing at gunpoint

why it is incomplete?

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central bankers and bureaucrats who refuse to allow currencies to compete shall be impaled for display.

DEATH to ALL pedophiles.