AUS: Should we really let the poofs get married?

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>>140491523

When will the fag marriage vote be held?

>>140491996
Thursday the court decides if it will even happen at all.

The benefits of gay marriage:


https://www.liveabout.com/the-benefits-of-gay-marriage-1411846

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/gay-marriage-boosts-happiness-health-study-article-1.3053017

http://archive.is/dmO9e

http://theconversation.com/evidence-is-clear-on-the-benefits-of-legalising-same-sex-marriage-82428

http://archive.is/kezfR

>>140492158

Genetic Evidence of Homosexuality:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/06/04/the-science-of-sexuality-how-our-genes-make-us-gay-or-straight/

http://archive.is/y64OH

https://www.advocate.com/health/2015/10/09/study-dna-identical-twins-can-reveal-whos-gay

http://archive.is/GuptB

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/17/science/gay-men-in-twin-study.html

http://archive.is/PSmzQ

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/research.points.to.genetic.element.in.homosexuality/35856.htm

Straight males carry gay genes:

http://chaladze.com/files/publications/Chaladze2016ASB.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xq28

Fecundity increases in female relatives of male homosexuals:

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0051088

https://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html

http://archive.is/32sQz

Scientists find DNA differences between gay men and their straight twin brothers:

http://archive.is/g3lal

http://www.nature.com/news/epigenetic-tags-linked-to-homosexuality-in-men-1.18530

http://www.tim-taylor.com/papers/twin_studies/studies.html

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/identical-twins-genes-are-not-identical/

http://archive.is/MALR3

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1993-homosexual-orientation-in-twins.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xq28

Female relatives of gay men have 1.3x as many children:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2012.02785.x/abstract

Androgen receptor gene linked to XQ28

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAGEA11

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/11/study-gay-brothers-may-confirm-x-chromosome-link-homosexuality

http://archive.is/E3my1

>>140492177


7% of millennials are gay:

https://www.prri.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/PRRI-Millennials-Web-FINAL.pdf

Millennials draw no distinctions between discrimination protections that should be afforded gay and lesbian people, on the one hand, and transgender people on the other. More than seven in ten (73%) millennials support legal protections against discrimination in jobs, public accommoda- tions, and housing for gay and lesbian people. A nearly identical number (72%) of millennials say they favor these same protections for transgender people.

While no significant racial or gender differences exist on either question, there are large religious divides in support for expanding nondiscrimination legislation. Roughly eight in ten black Protestant (80%), white Catholic (82%), Hispanic Catholic (81%), religiously unaffiliated (83%), and white mainline Protestant millennials (78%) favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against discrimination in jobs, public accommodations, and housing. About two-thirds (66%) of Hispanic Protestant millennials also favor such laws. White evangelical Protestants are closely divided on this issue, with a slim majority (51%) favoring laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against discrimination, and 47% opposing them. Among religious groups, the pattern of opinion about non-discrimination legislation protecting transgender individuals is nearly identical.

http://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/Facts_for_Families_Pages/Children_with_Lesbian_Gay_Bisexual_and_Transgender_Parents_92.aspx

http://www.ibtimes.com/study-having-gay-parents-does-not-affect-childs-gender-identity-2579343

>>140492201

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/26/same-sex-marriage/

http://archive.is/g0kHt

http://www.gallup.com/poll/212702/lgbt-adults-married-sex-spouse.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

http://archive.is/MlP5k

https://www.quora.com/What-percent-of-gay-men-in-the-US-are-in-a-long-term-relationship-and-how-does-this-compare-to-the-general-population

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201731/lgbt-identification-rises.aspx

>>140492213

Science on gays as parents:

http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdfs/12-144_307_Amicus_%20(C_%20Gottlieb)_ASA_Same-Sex_Marriage.pdf

Farr, R. H. (2017). Does parental sexual orientation matter? A longitudinal follow-up of adoptive families with school-age children. Developmental Psychology, 53(2), 252-264.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/dev0000228

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Patterson-Farr-Forssell-AppliedDevScience-Jul-2010.pdf

How Does the Gender of Parents Matter?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2009.00678.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=userIsAuthenticated=false

>>140491996
12th of September I think was the scheduled date, I believe they're going to be doing an envelope vote to gauge the response.

>>140492158
>>140492177

Please. Refer point two.

>>140492247

Civil marriage.

>>140491523
All of your questions are easily answered!

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THIS SOCIETY ANYMORE.
But stay invested pal. The left needs it cuckservatives who will 'lose with grace'.

>>140492328
Marriage is and always will be a Christian ideal in Western nations. What good is getting married if it's not in the traditional sense?

>>140492415
>But stay invested pal. The left needs it cuckservatives who will 'lose with grace'.

Who says I'm on the left?

>>140491658
Go away bot

>>140492526
Civil marriage is not religious. Are you denying it even exists?

>>140492526
Typical right wing cuckservative who assumes anyone opposing his views is a lefty.
>You can't just walk away from this country!
Watch me.
>But someone has to lose to the leftists!
I'm not legitimizing them anymore with my participation.

>>140492632
>Are you denying it even exists?

No, I'm stating, what is the fucking point?

They can already adopt in Australia. Htf does this misinformation continue to be raised.

>>140492948
Are you fucking insane?

>>140492971
You are stating that there are no civil marriages? So I cannot go to a courthouse and get married without a belief in God?

>>140493052
>You are stating that there are no civil marriages?

No I did not, get the cock out of your fucking mouth and focus on what you're reading.

First point is retarded. A "minority" can already block laws with the power they're given in the Senate. It's why Lib/Lab need the okay of Greens/Independent sometimes.

>>140493183
So you admit that marriage can be a contract between two adults and the state, having nothing to do with religion?

>>140493262
Of course it fucking can, but what's the fucking point. It's like buying a Toyota and slapping a fucking Bentley emblem on the bonnet. It's not a fucking Bentley.

>>140493426
To get legal rights.

>>140493048
Nope. Just don't buy into the current paradigm anymore. I would die for a christian, predominantly white ethnostate if one emerges but I don't give a shit about Australia.

May I ask why you are still invested in multiculturalism and multicultural societies?

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>>140493610
>Gays on the cusp of gaining equal marriage rights
>Thinks a White nationalist state is going to emerge

How out of touch can you be?

>>140493451
Such as? That is the point of this thread after all.

>>140493610
>May I ask why you are still invested in multiculturalism and multicultural societies?

Because I live here and I'd rather not see it descend into a worse state of degeneracy and children dressed like fucking hookers. I'm just hanging on in the hopes that National Socialism will emerge and we can get this party started.

>>140493764
>How out of touch can you be?

The thing is, gay equality does not concern people now, but when your groups start sucking dick in the street and waving your degeneracy in front of families, hatred will come your way.

I think gay marriage is a good idea. This way we will have a ready made register of poofters complete with addresses to use when the time comes.

POOFTER PURGE NOW

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>>140491523
I would suggest no. As soon as they did it here, the left used it to personally attack christians via lawsuits. There is a high amount of conservative/libertarian gayfags on 4chan but the majority of LGBT despise christians and any thing else that is western establishment. They will use the new laws to go after those pillars of western society.

>>140493843
The right to have your marriage recognized out of country. Consistency across the rules of various states if you move. The dignity of being able to legally call yourself married and say your kids are not bastards.

>>140494027
Gay equality does concern people now, just not you.

>>140493764
I don't care if I'm 'out of touch' or not; your opinion of me dose not matter to me.
I am following my own moral code, not yours.
>>140493843
The only chance of national socialism (or something similar) emerging is if society falls apart.

>>140494250
You are nowhere near consensus and when a majority of people agree on something, and every poll in AU has showed majority support for same sex marriage in the past 10 years, it tends to become the rule of law.

>>140494027
Don't forget the inevitable hate speech laws so that they can't be insulted for sucking dick on the street

>>140494416
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/08/02/australia-lgbt-and-intersex-anti-discrimination-laws-come-into-effect/

http://archive.is/dgdqR

>>140494336
I. DON'T. CARE.
You can have Australia and make whatever faggy laws you want. Go nuts.

>>140493610

Nationalism should only be used as a means to protect a racial people. The moment it develops policies that are against the original founders of the nation, the state becomes void in my mind and anything necessary should be done to preserve the original inhabitants.

If Western Nationalism celebrates the destruction of ourselves to absorb non-whites, even for economic gains, then it is void. It's short term profiteering at the expense of demographics.

This is why all through the 19th and early 20th century immigration from non-white countries was barred. At that time we still had a sense of ourselves.

The greatest trick the Jews ever played on us was convincing us we never existed as a people, and that our culture is non-existent and should be subjugated by non-whites and jews.

>>140494063
>They will use the new laws to go after those pillars of western society.

These are the concerns of myself and a few close friends, it seems to be just the beginning of the end. I'm not Christian but I can appreciate the strength it can give a society.

>>140494130
>The right to have your marriage recognized out of country.

This is fucking retarded, this would require gay marriage to be legalised throughout the world for it to be worth anything.

>The dignity of being able to legally call yourself married and say your kids are not bastards.

But you can't biologically have children, consider yourselves lucky they're referred to as bastards rather than orphans. At least bastard implies that the child is yours.

>>140494416
>Don't forget the inevitable hate speech laws so that they can't be insulted for sucking dick on the street

I doubt this would ever happen here, ragging on poofters is a pass time for the average Australian.

>>140494756
You can have kids through surrogacy, adoption, or from prior heterosexual relationships. Why should those kids not be allowed to be raised by married parents?

>>140492127

This, the whole thing falls apart because of the based High Court.

>>140494809
>Why should those kids not be allowed to be raised by married parents?

Why should children be raised in a household without a mother and father being present? You're literally arguing against the natural order of humanity and the biological system set in place to ensure our survival.

>>140494250

>The only chance of national socialism (or something similar) emerging is if society falls apart.

Australia was practically National Socialist before Hitler ever came to power. The White Australia policy was a rebuke against the free market-movement of people that categorized the British Empire of the 19th century.

Once this housing crash happens, and it WILL happen, whatever party is in power will be discredited. A period of turmoil will ensue and whoever can blame rightly the Chinks and foreigners for pushing up prices will do well at the polls.

Think Coalition government with One Nation.

>>140494968
Science on gays as parents:

http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdfs/12-144_307_Amicus_%20(C_%20Gottlieb)_ASA_Same-Sex_Marriage.pdf

Farr, R. H. (2017). Does parental sexual orientation matter? A longitudinal follow-up of adoptive families with school-age children. Developmental Psychology, 53(2), 252-264.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/dev0000228

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Patterson-Farr-Forssell-AppliedDevScience-Jul-2010.pdf

How Does the Gender of Parents Matter?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2009.00678.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=userIsAuthenticated=false

>>140491523
you should vote no for two reasons:

1) Imagine the butthurt and salt from the leftists
2) Learn this fucking thing already. When you give SJWs a hand they'll take a entire arm. It won't stop with just gay marriage.

>>140494743
>the state becomes void in my mind
Exactly. I'm just explaining to the leftists & faggots trying to shove 'laws' and 'government' down my throat that I don't give a shit anymore.

They can make all the fucking laws they want. None of them nullify my free will or the free will of other family minded, heterosexual, anti-degeneracy, racially aware, white christian males.
And the liberals wonder why we want an ethnostate....

>>140495218
Nobody wonders why you are trying to stack the deck when you are losing the game given fair odds.

>>140495218
>They can make all the fucking laws they want. None of them nullify my free will or the free will of other family minded, heterosexual, anti-degeneracy, racially aware, white christian males.
>And the liberals wonder why we want an ethnostate....

All good and well until they throw you in fucking jail.

>>140495018
>Science on gays as parents:

Fuck off with your bullshit cherry-picked biased as fuck articles.

>>140495376
So you won't even try to engage with the overwhelming majority of science?

>>140495405
>So you won't even try to engage with the overwhelming majority of science?

Science, homosexuality is a mental disorder. Why should I entertain it further? You enjoy the sight of dick and taking dick in the ass, that's your business. But don't infringe on others when you're a minority.

Would you accept the idea of Christianity being banned in Australia because it offends the Muslim minority?

>>140494130
2 Man cant have kids
Or 2 woman
So, theres no bastard problem!
And no, no adoptions
Just keep your sex inside bedroom as anyone else, and all is Fine for everyone

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>>140495680
Muslims are not the ones opposing gays though in Westernized countries.

>>140495747
Surrogacy, adoption, children from prior relationships. Gays will have kids whether you "let them" or not.

>>140491523
when are you cunts getting western oz liberated

i want to move there it could be like mid 90s south africa

>>140491523
. Most of the pizza celebs are straight.
Stop embarrassing yourself.

/THREAD

>>140491523
No, because this is just another thing they are saying they want do it for one reason, while the real reason is just the further deconstruction of traditional society.

Once gay marriage is legalized they will further be able to ask, "what is marriage anyway?"

The same way they no say what is an Australian or what is Art, the prior forms have been deconstructed by totally alien immigrants and post-modernism respectively.

>>140495307
I don't care what you think.
>>140495376
I would consider myself a political prisoner.

Look I don't hate you liberals, I certainly don't hate other races. I just want to live in a christian predominantly white, non-degenerate society.
I wish you all the best in whatever kind of society you are trying to build, good luck. But I won't help you with your project and will support an predominantly white ethno-state wherever it crops up.
So we will be parting ways now, ok? Will you shake my hand and wish me good luck in the type of society I wish to establish and live in?
*Extends hand*

>>140491523

Only in Islamistan do we get the your beliefs affect mine bs.

>>140495861
>i want to move there it could be like mid 90s south africa

Fuck mid 90's South Africa, you'd witness the beginning of the great decline, I'm from SA.

>>140495810
>Muslims are not the ones opposing gays though in Westernized countries.

Nah, Muslims will just stone you to death.

>>140495949
>Once gay marriage is legalized they will further be able to ask, "what is marriage anyway?"
>The same way they no say what is an Australian or what is Art, the prior forms have been deconstructed by totally alien immigrants and post-modernism respectively.

I agree with all of the above, it's a stepping stone to complete and utter Communist rule.

>>140495998
>Look I don't hate you liberals, I certainly don't hate other races. I just want to live in a christian predominantly white, non-degenerate society.
>I wish you all the best in whatever kind of society you are trying to build, good luck. But I won't help you with your project and will support an predominantly white ethno-state wherever it crops up.
>So we will be parting ways now, ok? Will you shake my hand and wish me good luck in the type of society I wish to establish and live in?
>*Extends hand*

I'll send you a come home card when we've established a great nation.

>>140495949
Stop confusing all gays with bolsheviks.

That's literally your only argument.

>>140494130
>The dignity of being able to legally call yourself married and say your kids are not bastards.
They will still be bastards.

>>140496115
should have said mid 20th century, i actually though i typed 80s

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We just need to begin killing homosexuals. Degeneracy is a metastasising cancer. The only way to save the patient is to cut out and destroy the mutated cells.

>>140491523
>When legislation is passed for the benefit of a minority whilst infringing on the belief structure and values of the majority, how can we call ourselves a democratic nation?
So your argument is:
>You can't get married because you are offending my belief system
>also muh democracy
That is literally a leftist argument. That is how their reasoning works.
This shithole board becomes worse every day, and you don't realize just how much you sound like the very people you complain about.

Faggots getting married is not a problem. Nobody cares what your 'beliefs' are, just like you don't care what theirs are.

Trannies forcing their shit down childrens throats (sometimes literally) is a problem.
Mudslimes forcing their ideology on a brainwashed population is a problem.
Gays performing acts of blatant degeneracy in the streets in front of children is a problem.
Who cares if they can get married? why pick the smallest non-issue and blow it up?
Focus on something worthwhile anon.

>>140496761
So because I'm not calling for the mass genocide of fags, I'm a leftist? Fucking settle down cunt.

>Focus on something worthwhile anon.

This will be a worthwhile topic in six to twelve months if the legislation passes in their favour.

>>140496201
gay rights movements have always historically been anti-western and jewish styled utopian movements; including the current one that is closely linked with the feminist movement and cultural marxism.

>>140496761
You have a much better grasp of what is occurring. Whats happening 'on the ground' & 'in the streets' has completely overshadowed any irrelevant law they might implement.

>>140496966
>So because I'm not calling for the mass genocide of fags, I'm a leftist? Fucking settle down cunt.
And now reading comprehension is gone as well.

You are not a leftist, you are using leftist logic though in your argument. You are letting your personal beliefs and feelings dictate what others can and cannot do.

Marriage is a right that everyone should have.
Shaking your arse in the street in front of kids is a right that nobody should have, regardless of gay or straight.
And forcing others to pander to your beliefs (which is exactly what mudslimes are doing by the way) is unenforceable and morally wrong.

>>140497598
>Marriage is a right that everyone should have.
but redefining "marriage" is not; that is violating several hundreds of years of western tradition.

>>140491523
>>140492201
I dont think people who want to set up these protections realize they're digging their own grave. No such discrimination protections exist for classes like "straight white males," so when they're the minority they're totally fucked. Fags, niggers, spics and bulldykes are not going to be gracious to us in the same way we have to them.

>>140491523
>Not religious, nor do I give a fuck
Stop right there cunt, you're the main problem. Without widespread nihilism and complacency, fags, trannies and other degenerates could've never gained so much influence in the first place.

>>140497598
Please see below.
>>140497790
>but redefining "marriage" is not; that is violating several hundreds of years of western tradition.

>>140498174
>Not religious, nor do I give a fuck

Don't take me out of context fuckwit, pull your bloody head in. I support Christianity, I just don't believe in it myself.

What I actually said:

>nor do I give a fuck about what some dick munching beta does in his spare time.

>>140498222
>Please see below.
>>but redefining "marriage" is not; that is violating several hundreds of years of western tradition.
Traditionally, 7% of a generation wasn't openly gay. If you're going to argue from tradition, you'd need to advocate a crackdown on minority rights, which no one is going to go for. No, what Australia needs is many, many more black people, like in California when they tried to pass Prop 8.

>>140498129
Christians are protected, sex is protected, race is protected. So out of all of those, being straight is the only thing not protected. I cannot refuse you service for being White, or a male, but I could say I am refusing you service for being straight.

>>140494756
>I doubt this would ever happen here, ragging on poofters is a pass time for the average Australian.
Yeah and calling people niggers used to be a pastime in the U.S., if you want to continue being able to rag on pooftas you need to vote no on anything involving gay rights. Even if there isn't a law against it, they'll become so ingratiated in your society as to be unassailable.

>>140498446
>Traditionally, 7% of a generation wasn't openly gay.

I call fucking bullshit on 7% mate, I know some poofters, but they certainly don't make up 7% of my acquaintances.

>>140498573
>Christians are protected, sex is protected, race is protected. So out of all of those, being straight is the only thing not protected. I cannot refuse you service for being White, or a male, but I could say I am refusing you service for being straight.

This argument is absurd, and it's really quite simple. Take your business and jam it up your arse if that's your standing, I'll go elsewhere. Not very difficult is it?

>>140492201
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>>140498848
>Yeah and calling people niggers used to be a pastime in the U.S.

This is true, I already know that I'm voting no for marriage equality. I'm trying to find some good points to either change my standing, or further my standing so that I can inform friends and family of the potential outcomes that other countries have faced.

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>>140498856
https://www.prri.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/PRRI-Millennials-Web-FINAL.pdf

>>140498446
>7% of a generation wasn't openly gay
that is a false number. gays rarely break 1-2%. LGBT in total rarely breaks 5%. You'd need to include all the weirdo non binary crap in a specially selected sample group to even approach that number.

>>140497790
>>140498222
>hundreds of years of western tradition.
You realize Christianity (which is the specific definition I presume you are referring to) did not begin in the west right?

But let's ignore that anyway.

Civil partnership in UK is not religious, and it allows the gays the same rights as us without compromising on "muh church".

But your problem is specifically involving the church right?

Does the church serve the people or do the people serve the church? If the former, then the people have the right to redifine whatever they want. If the latter, then your church sold you out, not the gays.

>>140499166
1% lesbian, 2% male homosexuals, 4% bisexual. No meme sexualities. PRRI quality data.

Look around you. Look at every other nation that has legalised it. Look how quickly their society nosedived down that slippery slope. Look how quickly the queers started to openly try to corrupt the youth in America. Look how quickly they tried to legalise grown men showering with little girls. Look how quickly they tried to normalise cutting the genitals off of children and block their natural hormones. Do not make this mistake. You have a chance to stop it. Take it.

>>140499097
Carefully picked test group, this does not prove anything other than you being an idiot for taking it as gospel.

>>140499180
>Civil partnership in UK is not religious, and it allows the gays the same rights as us without compromising on "muh church".

And look how completely fucked your once glorious country is now. T. Poofter.

>POOFTAHS FUCK OFF

>>140499476
>Carefully picked

How exactly?

>>140499535

he American Values Atlas (AVA) is a project of PRRI. All demographic, religious affiliation, and political affiliation data are based on approximately 50,000 bilingual telephone interviews conducted over a period of 52 weeks across a single calendar year. Beginning in 2014 and moving forward, the AVA will also include a set of issue questions comprising a subset of the total sample (roughly 40,000 interviews) covering a variety of topics.

Roughly 1,000 interviews are completed each week, with at least half the interviews conducted among respondents on their cell phones. In each week, interviewing occurs over a five-day period, from Wednesday through Sunday. The selection of respondents within households is accomplished by randomly requesting to speak with the youngest adult male or female currently living in the household. Interviewing is conducted by professional interviewers under the direction of SSRS.

Data collection for the AVA is based on stratified, single-stage, random-digit-dialing (RDD) sample of landline telephone households and randomly generated cell phone numbers. The sample is designed to represent the total U.S. adult population (age 18+) from all 50 states, including Hawaii and Alaska. The landline and cell phone samples are provided by Marketing Systems Group.

>>140499684

The weighting for AVA is accomplished in two separate stages. The first stage of weighting corrects for different probabilities of selection associated with the number of adults in each household and each respondent’s telephone usage patterns—telephone usage refers to whether respondents have only a landline telephone, only a cell phone or both types. In the second stage, sample demographics are balanced to match target population parameters for gender, age, education, race and Hispanic ethnicity, region (U.S. Census definitions), population density, and telephone usage. The population density parameter was derived from the latest available Census data. The telephone usage parameter comes from an analysis of the most recent National Health Interview Survey. All other weighting parameters are derived from an analysis of the most recent version of the U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey.

The sample weighting is accomplished using an iterative proportional fitting (IPF) process that simultaneously balances the distributions of all variables. Weights are trimmed to prevent individual interviews from having too much influence on the final results. The use of these weights in statistical analysis ensures that the demographic characteristics of the sample closely approximate the demographic characteristics of the target populations.

>>140499066
Just show them the salon dot com article about how "Im a pedophile baby-sitter, but i would mever touch a kid!"
Works like a charn for me, especially with women. Even the most leftist of women want to protect kids.
You can also cite American Bureau of Justice stats about homosexiality and pedophilia if you want to. Sam Hyde has a really good video about it from a twitter comedy festival where he gets up and just reads facts and articles by gay men until everyone walks out. They did the math, and according to the crime stats, fifty-fucking-five percent of gay men are child molesters.

>>140499535
How many people in the UK are gay, lesbian or bisexual? The Office for National Statistics reckons it's 1.5% while the Kinsey report says it's 10%. Who's right?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/oct/03/gay-britain-what-do-statistics-say

It's all fucking bullocks you dipshit, go outside and talk to people, if you talk to one hundred of them and not one is a homo, it's likely they don't make up 7% of your population.

>>140499166
yes in the general population. but for millenials, the article posted earlier in this very thread cites 7 percent.

>>140499781
https://unvis.it/theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/oct/03/gay-britain-what-do-statistics-say

>>140499180
even before the church, the west never fell for the false notion that there could be a same sex union equal to that of a traditional union upon which a society could be based

>>140499781
I think survey data is ideally collected a bit more carefully. Young people are less likely to lie about not being gay because they fear judgement.

>>140499476
>And look how completely fucked your once glorious country is now. T. Poofter.
And you think that a few faggots getting married caused this?

You are highlighting my original point. Everyone is too concerned with shit that DOES NOT MATTER.

The reasons my country is going to shit are:
>mass surveillance
>politicians more interested in self-image than doing their jobs
>mudslime invasion, the those who pander to it
>low-energy politics
>complete disarmament of the people
>complete empowerment of the state
>gibs, gibs everywhere
>police doing the security work of private corporations (TV licence, on buses checking tickets etc.)
>whenever people get passionate, it is over non-issues
>(((them)))
To name but a few.
Some dick gobblers getting married hasn't affected anything, and it won't there either.

>>140499781
>https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/oct/03/gay-britain-what-do-statistics-say

Even with that data, young people are still far more likely to say they are gay or bisexual:

Those aged between 16 and 24 were by far the most likely to say they were gay, lesbian or bisexual - 2.7% of them did - a proportion that steadily declines as you inch up the age scale.

>>140499849
and this will change in the future as confused millenials age and are less concerned with virtue signalizing

>>140499743
>They did the math, and according to the crime stats, fifty-fucking-five percent of gay men are child molesters.

This is my biggest concern, I don't know if I'd agree with 55%, that would mean that more than half of my queer mates would fuck kids. But, I'd be quite rope-able if legislation passed that could potentially increase child molestation stats. The risk is too high.

>>140499902
>I think survey data is ideally collected a bit more carefully. Young people are less likely to lie about not being gay because they fear judgement.

It's all fucking selected carefully you fool, unless you survey every single person within the nation, you'll never get an accurate findings. I'll go to a fag bar tomorrow and come back with 98% of Australians are gay as a statistic.

>>140500033
>Even with that data, young people are still far more likely to say they are gay or bisexual:

Your point exactly?

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Fuck the queers.

I'm in Toronto and the last time I went to the mall to buy some racist new balance shoes I saw 2 fags with their noses in the air pushing strollers like "whatchu finna do, Christian"

ruined my whole day tbqh. The homos are bold in my country. The average hetersosexual canadian will white night for fags and call you a bigot for speaking out

>>140500088
>and this will change in the future as confused millenials age and are less concerned with virtue signalizing
digits of truth. all we can do is hope you are right, anon.

>>140500249
That young people are far more likely to accept being gay and not live in the closet. As such, this means more gay people who want rights to marry and adopt and such.

>>140499713
tldr

Conclusions and reference. Let those doubters check methods. This is the internet not "Sociology for Graduate Students.;"

>>140500371
Just pointing out they list their methodology and it is very careful.

>>140500354
>That young people are far more likely to accept being gay and not live in the closet. As such, this means more gay people who want rights to marry and adopt and such.

Well, when the statistic reaches a verified majority in the country, then perhaps we should pander to such a group. Until then, suck a dick in private, don't like it, move to California.

>>140500249
To be fair, that 55% is probably mostly comprised of older guys, but remember any time we are talking about a group, we're talking about the whole group. A victory for your cool gay friends is also a boost in morale/political legitimacy for the old homo pedos who want to suck a kid off.

>>140500616
Blacks got rights at 12.5% of the population over 50 years ago. Gays are 7% of our young people and now we have rights. Makes perfect logical sense. Minority groups often have rights conferred less than voluntarily against opposition by fringe elements of the majority.

>>140500908
>>140500354
So keep in mind, once the old gay pedos can get married, they'll want to adopt. If you give a mouse a cookie, he is going to want some milk.

>>140501092
Pedophilia is prohibited and I assume adoption agencies screen for that. Legalizing gay doesn't mean pedophilia is any less prohibited legally.

>>140500317
they don't call them "hasbians" for nothing. Girls in their 20s will identify as lesbian or bisexual but then start seeking out traditional heterosexual relationships when their biological clock starts ticking

>>140501171
You dont know what youre fighting for. The stats prove that 55% of gays are pedophiles. Best case scenario. You only see/fight for the 45%, but luckily the numbers tell the rest of the story. Sorry pal.

>>140501377
No they don't.

>mfw we let poofs marry then some gay muslim couple get stabbed by leb cunts when they try to get married

>>140501171
maybe but most likely not. Adoption agencies will also have to screen for the extremely high amounts of antisocial behavior present in the LGBT: high amounts of sexual partners, high amounts of drug and alcohol abuse, high amounts of unstable relationships, high amounts of mental disorders and suicide, etc. As a sample set, LGBT compared to normal people shows just how problematic LGBT are and requires much more invasive methods to make sure they would be fit to be around children.

>>140501959
Good that we are reducing stigma around being gay then as to make us better parents!

>>140500354
>Gays more likely
Gays are more likely to be the thrill seeking, novelty pushing, pot-stirrers they've always been through out history. Fag rights were light years before the States in places like Europe and the UK, and they've done nothing but continued to spiral downward further into more deranged practices like puppy play, cottaging and chem sex. The Gay agenda has always been about larping as sympathetic hetro married couples, when really it's always been about consolidating power and promoting deviant behaviours for a larger sexual selection pool. People might have forgot that gay protests gladly accepted the likes of NAMBLA into their ranks in the 70s, even had abolition of the age of consent in their original charter demands, but not all of us have drunk your POZZED Coolaid.

>>140501086
>Blacks got rights at 12.5% of the population over 50 years ago.

Dickhead, the majority were in favour of them being given rights.

>Gays are 7% of our young people and now we have rights.

It's not 7%, fuck your carefully chosen study group.

>>140501215
>they don't call them "hasbians" for nothing. Girls in their 20s will identify as lesbian or bisexual but then start seeking out traditional heterosexual relationships when their biological clock starts ticking

This. It's either a fad throughout the youthful stages of life, or it's a mental illness.

>>140501959
>maybe but most likely not. Adoption agencies will also have to screen for the extremely high amounts of antisocial behavior present in the LGBT: high amounts of sexual partners, high amounts of drug and alcohol abuse, high amounts of unstable relationships, high amounts of mental disorders and suicide, etc. As a sample set, LGBT compared to normal people shows just how problematic LGBT are and requires much more invasive methods to make sure they would be fit to be around children.

Gays make such good parental figures don't they? Child is adopted, one 'parent' wins custody, child then witnesses a new man come home to plow daddy each night.

>>140502260
Would help if you had some evidence to support your conclusions.

>>140502311

The majority are in favor of giving gays rights as well.

>>140502327
>Would help if you had some evidence to support your conclusions.

As opposed to your evidence? Please, it's all a matter of opinion.

>The majority are in favor of giving gays rights as well.

Yeah, we'll see about that. Or, we'll see how quickly perception changes when the children of our communities are being raped by foster parents.

>>140501421
Here you go man.
Reminder that the first AIDS death... was a minor
>96% of all child molesters are male
>1 in 3 molestation victims is a boy
>1-3% of the U.S. population is homosexual
>1-3% of the general population commits 33% of child molestation
Using the most lenient interpretation of those statistics, 55% of gays are pedophiles.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv10.pdf
>>140500249
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjPQ_jVlEnQ&t=633s
here you go man, this has everything you need.

>>140502056
>Good that we are reducing stigma
you've got a very very long way to go. The only way your group has been able to make yourselves look decent in recent history is to remove the out and proud (non-closeted) pedophiles from your group in the late 70s and by degrading modern society to your level.

>>140502354
>At first I was quite surprised when I realized how little time was necessary for this dangerous Great Power within the State to produce a certain belief among the public; and in doing so the genuine will and convictions of the public were often completely misconstrued. It took the Press only a few days to transform some ridiculously trivial matter into an issue of national importance, while vital problems were completely ignored or filched and hidden away from public attention.

The Day is coming up, Poof.

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>>140502354
Remember this?

>>140502605
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjPQ_jVlEnQ&t=633s [Embed]
>here you go man, this has everything you need.

Lol, I actually watched this earlier today, what he said was interesting but fuck me, this cunt is cringe.

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>>140502512

Science on gays as parents:

http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdfs/12-144_307_Amicus_%20(C_%20Gottlieb)_ASA_Same-Sex_Marriage.pdf

Farr, R. H. (2017). Does parental sexual orientation matter? A longitudinal follow-up of adoptive families with school-age children. Developmental Psychology, 53(2), 252-264.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/dev0000228

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Patterson-Farr-Forssell-AppliedDevScience-Jul-2010.pdf

How Does the Gender of Parents Matter?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2009.00678.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=userIsAuthenticated=false

>>140502605
I don't think we can know for certain who the first AIDS death was because it likely occurred in Africa. Even knowing FOR CERTAIN who was American patient zero is hard.

>>140502605
That's just nonsense.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts%5Fmolestation.html

http://www.pandys.org/articles/abuseandhomosexuality.html

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2010/09/18/903178/-Gays-are-pedophiles-No-Here-s-the-proof

http://archive.is/ztjf2

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads/attachments/Anti-gayActivismandtheMisuseofScience_1.pdf

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2009/06/05/a-major-study-of-child-abuse-and-homosexuality-revisited/

>>140502610
I think repressed homosexuals are the biggest issue. Pedophilia was never as big an issue as it was played up to be by Christian interests. I don't think they are tolerate as much as you think either.

>>140502748
see image

>>140502979
t. Jew.

>>140502748

Someone should poster this picture all over Sydney and Melbourne.

>>140503311
>Someone should poster this picture all over Sydney and Melbourne.

Will never happen, Sydney is full of cunts that don't give a shit, and Melbourne is full of fag hipsters.

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>>140503378
>Gaeton Dugas

Nonsense

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-37767179

"We can place the most precise dates on the origins of the US epidemic at about 1970 or 1971."

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>>140502979

You shut the fuck up you diseased parasite fucking perverted freak. If I ever catch you in public pushing your perverted fetishes onto minors I cam going to split you head in half with a fire hydrant.

Now go fuck off and die of AIDS you disgusting freak.

>>140503715
I'm not into kids.

>>140502327
http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/onetime/bl_platform1972.htm


>The 1972 Gay Rights Platform
>Platform created at the National Coalition of Gay Organizations Convention held in Chicago in 1972
>STATE LEVEL(half way down the page)
> 7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.

And here's info on NAMBLA.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association

Funny. Before the 1990s they stopped all meetings, but the gay rights movement never disavowed them. Just kinda let them dissolve into their collective consciousness, then larped as victims of Christian hetros who had "no reason" to be repulsed by them.

>>140502979
First AIDS death was a 16-year-old kid named Robert Rayford.

>>140503763

>1972

really now

Sexual consent laws OFTEN put homosexual sex allowances at a later age than heterosexual ages of consent.

>>140503818
Simply not true. HIV started around 1970.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-37767179

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v539/n7627/full/nature19827.html?foxtrotcallback=true

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>>140503855
>Sexual consent laws OFTEN put homosexual sex allowances at a later age than heterosexual ages of consent.

Maybe, but what the (((LGBT))) community appears to be pushing for something a little more degenerate.

>>140503977
Ok that's a mysterious one:

A study published in 1988 found the presence of antibodies against HIV.[6] Results of testing for HIV genetic material have been reported; however, the data have never published in a peer-reviewed medical or scientific journal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Rayford

>>140503977
Kek
>An autopsy of Rayford, led by Dr. William Drake, uncovered several abnormalities. Small purplish lesions were discovered on Rayford's left thigh and his soft tissue. Drake concluded that the lesions were Kaposi's sarcoma, a rare type of cancer that then mostly affected elderly men of Mediterranean or Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry.[7] Kaposi's sarcoma was later determined to be an AIDS-defining illness.

>>140504100
Results of testing for HIV genetic material have been reported; however, the data have never published in a peer-reviewed medical or scientific journal.

>Rule 1: No poofs

>>140491523
Chicks getting pied in the face is my fetish

>>140504149
This early, full-genome ‘snapshot’ reveals that the US HIV-1 epidemic exhibited extensive genetic diversity in the 1970s but also provides strong evidence for its emergence from a pre-existing Caribbean epidemic. Bayesian phylogenetic analyses estimate the jump to the US at around 1970 and place the ancestral US virus in New York City with 0.99 posterior probability support, strongly suggesting this was the crucial hub of early US HIV/AIDS diversification. Logistic growth coalescent models reveal epidemic doubling times of 0.86 and 1.12 years for the US and Caribbean, respectively, suggesting rapid early expansion in each location3.

>>140504149
t. (((homosexual lawyer)))

>>140504264
HIV isn't really an issue anyway, there are so many hot, positive guys you're missing out on!
https://www.advocate.com/politics/commentary/2011/09/27/oped-live-world-where-everyone-has-hiv

>>140502979
>I think repressed homosexuals are the biggest issue. Pedophilia was never as big an issue as it was played up to be by Christian interests. I don't think they are tolerate as much as you think either.
the LGBT movement had in it's very foundation men who thought they should be able to fuck minors. They had to kick them out only because of the bad press.

>"If the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world", highlighting his own relationship with an adult man when he was 14
t. founder of the the first sustained gay rights group in the United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hay

Your movement was rotten to the core from the very start. You wanting to blame christians just shows how anti-chrisitian you people are. I genuinely feel bad for the very small minority of homosexual conservatives that have to grouped with the likes of you but we can not turn a blind eye to the majority, like you that want to destroy western society.

>>140491523
It's just virtue signalling mate. Once you let this sort of shit slide people begin to realise the actual stats. Look at America, after the legalised it half of gay couples broke up because they became "real" and sweet fuck all married. Everyone is super unsatisfied with the government at the moment and this will just further annoy them, gays just want this to happen and most people who are impartial are actually annoyed that their elected officials cannot actually act on anyone's behalf.

This isn't America and we don't like it when these guys don't do their jobs or reach an agreement. The government could have easily recognised basic issues with gay couples and allowed them to be recognised without even relating it to marriage. Then when all the gays got pissy that they weren't married everyone would have noticed they are loud cunts who will just always complain.

The average person is starting to get sick of this shit and you can notice the tide turning. You can also see it in America with the Alt-Left being recognised and the momentum behind Trump getting recognition. The slippery slope won't happen and once people recognise that non-essentialism is anti-factual they will just completely stop this crap. The main issue will end up being how many rights will get infringed upon during this back and forth. They're already talking about biometrics and forcing people to only allow one national digital fiat currency.

Immigrants won't give a fuck because anything is better than the wartorn shithole they came from. The only way people will get convinced is by using sneaky tactics against them like:
>Look how terribly they are integrating these poor immigrants they need more services.
>Why are we focusing on immigration & growth when that is bad for the environment?
>Why does a new poor generation have to pay for the most financially successful generation ever?
>Gender confusion needs to stop. We need better counselling in schools.
>etc.

That is how you win.

>>140503855
>Really now

That's not a argument. When Catholic parents offloaded their gay children into the church system through out the last century, is it any wonder it has a "boy" problem?

Gays are not turning into hetro couples like they said they would after they got their "rights", and infact continue to follow the path as perdicited they would. Self-destruction and continued increasing perverse practices... Only now they can, more and more, increasingly recruit new young flocks into their actual death cult.

And a bunch of University propaganda or appeals to corrupt authority, isn't going to change any of that.

>>140495810
>Givjng children to faggots
How many mentally ill and molested children do there need to be before you admit it isn't a good idea?
All of them?

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>>140504943
>The average person is starting to get sick of this shit and you can notice the tide turning.

I could not agree more, the tide is most definitely turning and it's going to be fucking beautiful.

>>140505369
>How many mentally ill and molested children do there need to be before you admit it isn't a good idea?
>All of them?

Half? It never ceases to amaze just how little people genuinely care, unless of course they can publicly signal their virtues.

>>140505597
The average person also isn't going to be for this nazi larping either. Our government is useless and everyone who works for government is terrible at their jobs. The idea that we can create a functional totalitarian government is actually fucking retarded.

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Where did the gay lawyer from Israel go?

>>140493843
Your partner is on their death bed, but 'family only' so fuck off. How would you feel?

>>140491523
I'm voting no. I don't even give a fuck about gays but we all know it won't end there, it's a viscous cycle. Give in to the left and they'll go straight on to their next demand. They will keep pushing ahead with every step of their insanity until they get their"utopia" and everything has gone to Hell.

>>140506241
The only arguments these people have are emotional ones. Disgusting.

>>140505873
>nazi

NSDAP, don't call them (((nazi's))), the term hurts.

Read some books mate, it's coming back, society is pushing people back to their primordial roots. National Socialism, the reaction to a declining society, we're not at 1933 just yet, but it's coming.

>>140506148
>You expect Shareblue employees to clock overtime? Please.

Lol, I fucking hate those Shareblue cunts.

>>140506241
>Your partner is on their death bed, but 'family only' so fuck off. How would you feel?

Are you delusional?

>>140506148
>shareblue employees
he's not a shareblue employee, he's a uni student or labor/greens shill. he's been doing this shit ever since the postal vote was announced.

POOFTAS FUCK OFF!

>>140506374
You need to read some books mate. We aren't even remotely close to 1919 yet so we aren't going to be close to 1933.

>>140506508
>You need to read some books mate. We aren't even remotely close to 1919 yet so we aren't going to be close to 1933.

Implying that we need a world war before National Socialism will take place, please. You can't suppress the natural way of life, the longer you attempt to do so, the larger the reaction.

>>140506358
The fucking stupidity of this comment astounds me.
>>140506374
>GLBTI people sometimes experience difficulty in visiting their same-sex partner in times of medical emergencies or illness. This may be because hospital policy generally restricts access to ‘close family’ and this is often determined on the basis of marital or blood ties.

In the Inquiry, the Commission heard from a woman who told a story about a lesbian friend woman being denied the right to farewell her dying partner:

One of our lesbian friends lay ill and dying in her hospital bed. When it came time for her to die the hospital staff prevented her partner from entering her hospital room and sitting with her at the end of her life because she was not the ‘spouse’. Our friend died, alone. Her partner sat outside in the corridor prevented from being with her. She continues to suffer great distress that her life-time partner died without her comfort and without knowing she was there with her.

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/stories-discrimination

No, but I can read.

>>140507238
Civil unions brah.

>>140506786
You are the dumbest fucking nazi I've ever seen on these boards if you think I am referring to WW1 as 1919. I am clearly referring to the communist revolution in Germany which was a catalyst of over a decade of political violence in which the nazi party rose the victor. Primarily through merger of right paramilitary and groups, while also presenting themselves on an ideological high ground distanced from the violence of those past years.

Essentially people saw 10 years of stupid bullshit and a party rose saying they would bring order. People were happy to give away freedom in exchange for totalitarianism just to stop the chaos.

Learn some history you stupid cunt. You don't even know why they hated the Jews in Germany you fucking retard.

>>140507238
It's not stupid, you bring up situations that happen to 0.0001 percent of people ever, that has little to nothing to do with the actual issue, gay marriage, and then go, "What if it was your partner?" You're deliberately muddying the waters by dragging emotion into it. This is why so many women are leftists as well.
Girlfriends get turned away from the ER too - they're not family. You can always adjust the rules to include boyfriends and girlfriends without demanding marriage rights. You can always lobby for tax reform to include gay couples. But no. You just want to whine and bitch like a woman.

>>140504726
Wait so gay people decades ago had outdated attitudes towards sex? So did straight people.

You can try to smear gays with the pedophile brush all you want it is an old tactic and has never worked because it simply isn't true.

Christians have spent so much money, effort, and time locked with us in this battle to deny our fundamental rights I'm not sure why they should be able to expect positive publicity from our end.

>>140505139
Do you have any proof of this assertion?

>>140505369
I don't believe that gays abuse children at a higher rate than straight people and the vast majority of scientific endeavor has borne this out.

>>140505956
Making homemade pizza with these heirloom tomatoes I got.

>>140507823
>homemade pizza
You're a funny one. Did you adopt that pizza, or was it a surrogate?

>>140507823
35 minute lunch break, how bold of you to take an extra 5 minutes. Boss on holiday?

>>140507623
>Learn some history you stupid cunt. You don't even know why they hated the Jews in Germany you fucking retard.

Communism. No shit, we've all watched TGSNT cunt.

>>140507823
>You can try to smear gays with the pedophile brush all you want it is an old tactic and has never worked because it simply isn't true.
say that to all of the children that have been, and are going to be raped by poofs thanks to you

Better idea, a legal binding union of two people due to their feefees and sanctioned by the government should be abolished altogether. We already know the many tales of woe when a married couple gets divorced.. but what benefits does it bring??

>>140507238
Add a box to insurance forms

"Who can come in the room if I'm dying: tick- anyone who wants".

There's that problem solved.

>>140508083
>Communism. No shit, we've all watched TGSNT cunt.

Fuck you are so dumb it is unbearable. Your understanding of things is so simplistic and your smug persona makes you exactly like those radical marxists you hate so much.

>>140507715
If you'd read the article, it's only one of a host of bureaucratic fuck ups regarding same sex couples, including not being able to register as a family for medicare and not having a dependent child of a parent a dependant child of the other because 'not a spouse.' A few years ago a married couple from Britain visited South Australia and one of them died here, while the other couldn't confirm the body. They had to fly in the father, who was like, wtf he has a husband.

It's more like, I can give an example for 0.0001% of the population getting fucked over by needless bureaucratic fine print. Can you give an example of gay people getting married fucking up society irreparably?

Emotions are a legitimate part of the human experience. If you're going to use that word to hand wave away any argument put forth then I've got to say this really isn't an argument worth having.

>>140507416
Yeah this is an actual good point. I still don't see any real arguments against just making it marriage other than MUH DEGENERACY and CHRISTIAN VALUES. I'm open to being persuaded, but fear mongering bullshit won't really do that.

>>140508355
That's true, isn't the only benefit to do with taxes and inheritance? Why not relegate it to religious institutions, who can decide who can and cannot get married independent of the state? Tax benefits can come from civil unions, which can include marriage.

>>140491523
It would be very painful.

>>140508808
Marriage is our institution, and it always has been.
You are free to do whatever you please but once you try to corrupt one of our institutions I'll be here to tell you to fuck off.

>>140508808
I don't think that homosexual couples not being able to have a dependent child is a fuckup, though.

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The real question you should ask:
>Should you really let poofs exist?

>>140509147
Why is the government involved with marriage at all?
People get married in a church, temple or mosque. It's a religious institution and has nothing to do with the government.

>>140509147
>>140509147
Marriage is regulated by the state, which is secular. You're just straight up wrong here bro I hate to tell you.

>>140509505
Government handles taxes and inheritances and child custody. Church doesn't decide who gets to take care of your kids so why do they get a say in marriage?

>>140509376
It is if that child is the biological son/daughter of one man/woman and their partner can't properly help look after that child because of the bureaucratic 'fuck up'.

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>>140509835
>gays
>raising children

Mandatory viewing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiqtFAKQHlk

>>140491658
KYS FAGGOT

>>140509505
>>140509637
When I say "our" I mean straight people.

You said "We want the right to live and love without persecution".
So we stopped persecuting you.
You said "We want the right to be proud of who we are".
So we let you be proud.
You said "We want you to change your definition of marriage to include us".
We said fuck off you've got civil unions cunt.

>>140509856
the child should be immediately taken from the parents and put in the care of the state

no i am not joking

>>140510183
>The first 15 seconds

Wow okay he's gonna have to make one hell of an argument.

>>140502605
The 55% claim would imply that its one child per molester which is likely not the case. That said, these are troubling statistics either way

>>140507823
>Wait so gay people decades ago had outdated attitudes towards sex? So did straight people.
having a traditionalist attitude toward sex is not outdated. It is necessary for a stable society. That is why it is traditional. As for as the pedophilic tendencies within the gay community, those are far from "outdated" for gays. They still exist today: in their erotica, vernacular and in their behavior. It is ingrained in their culture. It's not an "old tactic;" it's only "old" b/c it has been prevalent among homosexuals before the term "homosexual" even existed. Stating the truth is the only tactic being used here. At least you finally admitted you are anti-christian.

>>140510346
Dude, forget that we're on /pol/ for a second. I'm a straight dude. There's no 'our' here. Fuck off. It's not 'straight people vs gays', that's so plainly reductive and childish a view to have. Why not take that false 'feeling' of kinship and build yourself an island with it?

the issue is if it refers to 'marriage equality" rather than "same-sex marriage"; then this includes all so called genders (250 atm) and may even relate to pedophilia and beastialiry.

>>140510360
Have you ever met someone that was under the care of the state? Do you honestly think the state is a better 'family unit' than an actual family? What evidence do you have to support this? Why would you think 'the state', especially our federal government, or worse, our state government, are equipped to properly raise a child? Why should I have to pay for that out of my pocket?

>>140510716
We're talking about government policy here matie, a collective point of view is the correct angle to tackle questions regarding societal regulation.

Now that we've got that out of the way you really haven't addressed the point at all - before you were fighting for rights, now you're stepping on toes.

>>140510969
>Have you ever met someone that was under the care of the state?
i was one.

>Do you honestly think the state is a better 'family unit' than an actual family?
single families and poof families, yes.

>What evidence do you have to support this?
personal experience. i've seen what these people are like. i was raised by them. i was /pol/ before /pol/ even existed.

>Why would you think 'the state', especially our federal government, or worse, our state government, are equipped to properly raise a child?
literally any random person you picked up off the street could do a better job at raising a child than your average dysfunctional family.

>Why should I have to pay for that out of my pocket?
you're going to pay for it anyway. if not out of your pocket, out of your culture.

The government shouldn't be legislating marriage at all. Marriage should be passed off entirely to churches and the state should stick to civil unions.

>B-B-But muh tax breaks
>B-B-But muh partners life insurance
Change the thing that has never had any connection to religion.

>I'm not religious though, so why can't I get a civil marraige?
Why does it matter what it's called to you if you could get the same benefits under a civil union? How pathetic are you that you want the state to further force it's way into religion for your own benefit?

>>140507823
>I don't believe gays abuse children at a higher rate, and science agrees
The science of virtue signalling?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19610497
Abstract:
>Extrapolating results from studies of lesbians' children to gays' children and assertions of "no risk to children as a result of growing up in a family with 1 or more gay parents" are questioned. A review of 9 studies gave evidence that gays' children were (a) more apt to adopt homosexual interests and activities, (b) more apt to report sexual confusion, (c) more apt to be socially disturbed, (d) more apt to abuse substances, (e) less apt to get married, (f) more apt to have difficulty in attachment and loving relationships, (g) less religious and more unconventionally religious, (h) more apt to have emotional difficulties, (i) more frequently exposed to parental molestation, and (j) prone to more frequent sexual acting out.

>>140511527
I have no problem with this.

>>140511301
Collective as a people. Not as a fucking sexual orientation, that is besides the point.

Now if we're talking about how gay marriage will harm the collective, I'm all for hearing exactly how, with research included. At the top of this thread are multiple articles about how gay marriage will help at least part of the collective, and you can argue against that and I'm open to being swayed.

But I don't really give a fuck about your toes.

>>140511527
Yeah, best argument all thread. Everyone's happy.

Not really the reality we've got to work with, but hey, it's a nice thought.

>>140491523
>1. When legislation is passed for the benefit of a minority whilst infringing on the belief structure and values of the majority, how can we call ourselves a democratic nation?
If this passes then clearly you're not in the majority. Retard.
>2. What self respecting homo would want to be acknowledged and married in an institution and before they eyes of a god that despise them and wish them ill will?
Marriage is secular.
>3. Where the fuck does it all end? We let them adopt children, child molestation statistics potentially go through the roof? Domestic abuse against children in dyke households?
Slippery slope fallacy.
>4. When are (((they))) just going to come out and advocate for cheese pizza and children to have intercourse providing it's consensual? Do these (((cunts))) ever stop with the degeneracy?
Jewish conspiracies are not real.

>>140512520
>Not really the reality we've got to work with
Why not though? You don't have to go with one of the two choices presented by the masses if they're both fucking retarded. I realize that my suggestion won't happen just because people either stuck in "nah, poofs" or "I love love", but that doesn't mean I'm going to shut-up about it. Even after the vote, even if SSM becomes legal, I see no reason to stop.

>>140511621
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19610497
That guy is NOTORIOUS for misrepresenting science to suit his anti-gay agenda.

http://interstateq.com/archives/924/

>>140513356
You're doing God's work, anon.

>>140513356
>I see you published case study and raise you a random website
touche

>>140513356
>the commentary and opinion blog of civic journalist and progressive, LGBT activist Matt Comer.
you're bringing up anti-gay agendas? really?

>>140511621
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EksFdY9ereo

>>140512928
I don't disagree with you.

But the state isn't going to relinquish control on marriage. No way in hell.

Good luck fighting the good fight though, sounds good to me.

>>140513356
>I didn't get the answer I wanted, therefore the study is flawed
Good methodology there, bru, Better back it up with an op-ed, that'll show them

>>140512308
Collective in whatever way that pertains to whatever policy is being discussed. People divide themselves up into all sorts of different groups and those groups push for select issues which interest them. In most cases the Government will weigh groups against each other - they'll look at group X and their policies and they'll theories how those policies will effect group Y and so on and so forth.
This is democracy - you may not like it, you may not think it's a perfect system, but it's the best system we have!

Now on the question of marriage people can be divided up into two main groups:
>those who accept the current definition (man + woman) and see no need to change it
>those who want to change it (pooftas)
The people who want to change the definition of marriage have organized themselves up into a group and they are vehemently pressuring the government to make those changes.

Now what of the other group? While many don't seem to have a problem with changing the definition of one of the principle founding blocks of our very civilization... There are those among us who say "No, we like it this way, bugger off".

>>140514462
It isn't an OP-Ed. There's pages and pages of stuff on the internet to show how he used flawed methodology.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_survey.html

You really think a guy who claims he was gay as a kid because he got sexually abused couldn't have an agenda and distort social science research to establish a narrative suiting his viewpoint that he feels less bad about being a repressed homosexual "knowing" that he was only gay, in his mind, because he was abused.

>>140515261
The guy PUBLISHED during his survey that he was trying to collect data to pass laws against gays:

Contrary to this well-established norm, Paul Cameron publicly disclosed the survey's goals and his own political agenda in the local newspaper of at least one surveyed city (Omaha) while data collection was in process. In that front-page interview, he was reported to have characterized the survey as providing "ammunition for those who want laws adopted banning homosexual acts throughout the United States" and he was quoted as saying that the survey's sponsors were "betting that (the survey results will show) that the kinds of sexual patterns suggested in the Judeo-Christian philosophy are more valid than the Playboy philosophy" ("Lincoln man: Poll will help oppose gays." Omaha World Herald, May 23, 1983, p. 1).

>>140515370
For example, he cited the Groth and Birnbaum (1978) study mentioned previously as evidencing a 3:2 ratio of "heterosexual" (i.e., female victim) to "homosexual" (i.e., male victim) molestations, and he noted that "54% of all the molestations in this study were performed by bisexual or homosexual practitioners" (p. 1231). However, Groth and Birnbaum reported that none of the men in their sample had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation, and that none of the 22 bisexual men were more attracted to adult males than to adult females. The "54%" statistic reported by Cameron doesn't appear anywhere in the Groth and Birnbaum (1978) article, nor does Cameron explain its derivation.

>>140515468
Guess what, only 1% of people are exclusively homosexual, so that means nothing. Read Kinsey.