What was your biggest red pill?

>liberate Eastern Europe from communism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

Damn, what went wrong then?

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>>140485737
This is now a turbovirgin nazi larp thread

>>140485737
Those fags managed to lose Prussia for-fucking-ever to the Russians.

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>>140485737
Learning that Most Americans have German blood.
This means that the when the muricans firebombed Dresden they probably burned their 3th cousin to death in her crib.

>>140485737
Than how come that the only significant advance of Communism happened specifically because of Adi, and no subsequent wars between the Communists and the Libereals were fought as soon as he bate the bullet?

>>140489247
*the only significant advance in Europe

>>140488502
White americans dont really care about family, they are closer to niggers than their actual cousins in Europe

>>140485737
Pol Pot and Lenin were funded by western "intellectuals", anglo to be more precise.

>>140489823
We used to, at least my family does. Even then it's only a matter of time until we die out. I'm 26 with no gf and no chance, it's not enough to be decent looking, German blue eyes, playing guitar and having a kind personality.

I hate nigger music and being degenerate. I'm fucked unless I can meet a friend who goes to a non cucked church to help me go again and meet people.

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Fuck france

>>140485737
>OMG NAZIS WERE THE GOOD OUYS: the thread
Not everything is as black and white as you want it to be.

>>140490255

I'm not saying Nazis are the good giys fuck the Nazis. I'm talking normal German soldiers. The shades of gray are obvious I know that.

finding that deiviant art has become a blatant loli site on the normie web, but not a single kike reporter , or sjw or feminazi has the slightest issue with it, yet if we mention it here we get perma banned.

>>140490089
Self-advertising belongs in >>>/soc/
/pol/ is for politics.

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The German soldiers treated Eastern Europeans with decency up to 1942. After that they were just almost as bad as the Soviets. Understandable because they started losing the war and tough measures had to be taken (scorched earth policy).

>>140490378
Excuse my assumption of it being so then. Most of these kind of threads are usually nothing more than wehraboo memehistory circlejerks.

>>140485737
That picture really makes me feel, I hope she had a good life

>>140490398
i think it the pakis, jews and police (pimps ) showing off their 'wares' to their clientbase ( mongers ) under the guise of 'female art'. child prostitution in the west in broad daylight.

>>140485737
>video not available in your country
sigh... for fucks sake

>>140485737
Heil Hitler, England should be punished for its treachery.

>>140485737
Hearing ABC radio news report something that wasn't happening while I was there

>>140485737
If I have singl , hitler is in hell, if du he dwells in paradise

Gnosticism.

If you haven't taken it yet its because your a Coward choking on a Bluepill

>>140487432
Well, we were given a chance to join the right side.

>>140485737
edgy

>>140489823
Ahh, finally! Someone who gets it

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>>140485737
flat earth

>>140490552

Absolutely not and I do realize some Wehrmacht did fight for the Nazi ideology but most truly believed in stopping the communists.

>>140491372
W r o n g

>>140492053
are you stupid? he asked for personal pills

my opinion cant be wrong :^

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>>140491372
Flat Earth is for religious zealots of the Demiurge

Are you a Saturn worshiper?

>>140491165
You had 3 options:

1. Fight both against the USSR and Germany.
Lose inevitably, get conquered, lose your country and become domesticated pets for your overlords ( in this case the USSR until 1991)

2. Join Germany against the USSR, while giving up some land of the West to Germany.
Install your own fascist anti-communist catholic autocracy. Your future would be an economic vassal state of the German Empire, but you would retain some sovereignty.

3. Join the Soviet Union against Germany but this would never happen because you were religious.

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>>140485737
Hitler did no wrong

>>140489247
Because he was a kike puppet urging the German "people" to fight against other whites. If he really wanted to overthrow the commies he would just send fucking spies like any sane person would.

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>>140494417
You are ignorant son. Hitler never wanted to fight Britain or France. They declared war on him, not the other way around. What was he supposed to do? Not conquer BeNeLux and France and wait till the French and English troops are at the German border ready to get rid of him? The Western Front was forced on him, he never wanted it, he said it was a stupid European civil war, which every day robbed him of his real goal; expansion to the east and destruction of the USSR, and enlightening the world and all other nations on the Jewish problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ra-ChcOiuU&t=4s

>>140485737

Those soldiers aren't the front didn't know exactly what was happening after they pushed forward. The death squads were a real thing but the men of the Wermacht didn't start finding out about them until well into Operation Barbarossa, and they were horrified by it

>>140494417
They send tons of spies to kill Stalin. And the allies sent tons of spies to kill Hitler. It didn't happen. Killing heads of state is not as easy as you think you stupid retard.

>>140490089
I share every single one of those. Attributes.

>>140494765
Nice excuse for killing 20 million Europeans there, faggot.

>>140494695
Yeah, right. Destruction of the USSR... and ethnic Russians in it. He wasn't exactly an enemy to kikes when he cut a deal with them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

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>>140485737
>throw millions of poles/eastern europeans into concentration camps
>destroy polish capital
>destroy polish cities
>rob polish museums
>rob polish art galleries
>destroy patriotic polish monuments
M-muh hitler wanted to liberate Eastern Europe

>lead to the deaths of millions of whites
M-muh hitler wanted to protect Western Europe

you are so full of shit

>>140498949
Blame your government for sanctioning the mistreatment of ethnic Germans living on Polish soil.

>>140498949

I don't support hitler I said Wehrmacht not nazis

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>>140499114
>implying that was a bad thing
>implying we were not trying to save europe back then

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>>140498949
you can throw in starvation in the Netherlands, too. I've never met a wehraboo that can justify trying to starve to death hundreds of thousands of their fellow racial kinsmen who were non-combatants.

>>140485737
For me it was realizing, during history channels nazi era, that Hitler was a complete faggot. He didn't protect Europe from shit and instead led a war of aggression that lead to Europe's destruction and the deaths of millions of whites. The effects of which are still seen today. Hitler was also too much of a coward to face his enemies himself, instead hiding out in a bunker and killing himself like a true beta.

If he had stuck to fixing Germany then began to diplomatically take over Europe and bring them the same success he wouldn't be demonized today. But like any low IQ tard he sperged out.

>>140490089
You sound uninteresting

>>140500590
Food shortages happen. Given the choice do you feed your immediate family or your extended cousins twice removed?

>>140485737
Moved to Berkeley, CA for college/work. Thought I was going to be surrounded by culture and intelligent people. I was very wrong. I'm old though, didn't always be like this here. Can't wait to leave.

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>>140504093
>Be neutral country
>Desperately try to stay in good graces of belligerent kraut-niggers next door
>Get invaded anyways, and be threatened with mass fire-bombings of cities and executions if the country doesn't capitulate
>Get starved to death by "liberators of Europe" to save their kraut-nigger asses from Bomber Harris and friends.

And, of course, it's a fucking American defending this.

>>140506771
Fuck, what happened to his eyes?

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>>140504093
Here some more of the handiwork of these fine, upstanding "champions" of Western civilization. I'm sure they felt particularly heroic holding millions of civilians hostage to save themselves from Allied bombs.

Fuck Germany. Those Eternal Autists have done more harm to Europeans than anything the Jews have done.

>>140505611
I don't know how you stand it. I was asked to give some talks at a local State U a few years back. I could NOT believe it. 90% female less than 5% white male. I remember thinking at the time, "Why couldn't it have been like this when I went to College? I would have absolutely fucked myself to DEATH."

In the intervening years I have realized just what a culture killer that is.

>>140507059
Where he's going, they don't need eyes to see.

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>>140507059
his eyes are still there, but closed. they've become recessed into his sockets from being starved to death by the Germans, that's all.

>>140491165
I would like to read "Kryptonim POSEN" of Piotr Bojarski. Alternative history where we do join Germany. The author quite realisticly shows what would happen then.

>>140485737
Good bait, mate.

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>>140485737
>Nazis tried to save Europe from communism
>Meanwhile following and enforcing the belife that slavs and many others are subhuman
>"Saving" Europe while creating and ecualy bad state where you can't even speak freely without Gestapo "interrogating" you to death

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>>140507712
>>140507419
>only the evil germans di....

you can go fuck off, every side had starving people and funnily enough, the german one isn't the one with the most or even the most horrendous. millions of germans starved right after the war was over, in american camps, nobody cares, to this day.

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>>140507487
It didn't used to be like that. I got to go to UC Berkeley for a summer school program many years ago in high school because I did well on some test. It was fucking great back then. Now it is trash. Pic related is mfw going outside now. Fuck this gay earth, I'm moving somewhere rural.

>>140509423
I'm part jap and all american. Don't even care about that shit or the nukes. War is hell. Kikes can fuck off with muh 6 gorillion or whatever they've changed it to now. Whiney bastards.

>>140485737
Being in the Marines. Realized early on anyone can be a good man or a bad man regardless of skin color.

But it's not about individuals, it's about ratios. And niggers have problems with authority.

>>140509423
that's not from american internment camps. those are jap POW's.

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>>140510704
Niggers are just a problem in general.

>>140509423
>>140509423
Did I say only Germans did it? No, I didn't.

Faggots that love the Wehrmacht and suck hitler's cock go on and on and on about being the great saviours of Europe, of its culture, as they torched its cities to the ground and slaughtered innocent Europeans. Go on then, the floor's all yours. Justify to us Christiansen's order to starve the Dutch in '44 when the war was lost. Let's hear the logic of how starving European men, women and children to death somehow defends European civilization from the threat of Jewish Bolshevism.

You'll want to find a better shoop as well, kraut. A pic of starved Japanese soldiers in New Guinea because we won the seas surrounding the islands isn't going to impress anyone when you can't point out a single Jap in the USA that died of starvation from his detention.

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>>140485737
>liberate Eastern Europe from communism

pic related
greatest liberators of eastern europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger

I read that in order to thank him for his good deeds, the residents of Lublin have built more than a dozen statues in his honor.

Oscar had a beautiful soul, and was determined to make Poland a better place.

tl;dr

Fuck you, and your mother, and your sweet fag daddy.

>>140511342
>Let's hear the logic

There is no logic.
You can't reason with people that believe fairytales are real.
It's surreal that even to this day, there are people who worship hitler and his lackeys, especially in countries that suffered the most from these cunts.
What's funny to me is that not even one has the balls to outright admit it in public (only on anonymous boards and forums).
I believe that deep down they know they are wrong.

>>140490037
Bingo.

Anglo is the jew. I am ashamed of my heritage, we've sold the world to the devil.

>>140485737
Learnings Germany should have won

>>140499904
they followed shitler's orders you dumb cunt

>>140490117
Use Tor or tubeunlock, you maybe don't realize how much of yourube is censored in the Israeli colony of Francistan.

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>Invade and sack Poland.
>Invade and sack most of Western Russia
>Start exterminating local slavic populations of annexed eastern Europe
>All part of general plan ost.

"B-b-but we were protecting western Europe from dem commies."

Fuck off OP

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>>140515894
hitler was a good boy
he dindu nuffins

>>140489247
>no subsequent wars between the Communists and the Libereals were fought as soon as he bate the bullet
>what is the Cold War
It's like your kike government purposely didn't teach you about the following 45 years of history.

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>>140496351
A third of Hitler's armies were Russians.

>It is estimated that nearly one million former Soviet citizens took up arms against the Red Army in the Wehrmacht, Waffen SS, and various Axis sponsored units (this includes other national groups such as the Ukrainians, Belarusians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Chechens, Kazakhs, Georgians, Armenians, and other non Russian groups).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Movement

>Secret archive reveals how Russia showed huge support for 'Christian crusader' Nazi invaders who had come to fight 'godless communists'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003413/Soviets-supported-Christian-crusader-Nazis-World-War-II.html

>Russians who fought for National Socialist Germany - Russian Liberation Army
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofgLFvFDjKg

>>140498949
War was a complex cause of growing anger from the post-war treaty, not "dude Poles suck lmao". Also, you're conflating what occurred during the war with what caused the war to begin with.

>>140517080
Russia didn't show support towards the Wehrmacht. It was people who hated stalin because he was a cunt like hitler.

Now post the links who explain how hitler decided to starve and kill the Ukrainians despite the fact that they offered to help him fight against stalin.

Didn't hitler believe all slavs were subhuman filth?

>>140511342
Wartime destruction is not unique to Germans and acting as if it is is historically ignorant.
>>140506771
Yes, and the Middle Eastern nations were also innocent. They were still invaded AND the USSR didn't leave some, even after the war ended.
War has no rules, sorry to tell you.

>>140485737
It was 100% un-ironically realizing Hitler was the good guy.

>>140517831
What caused the war is that Hitler wanted "living space" for the German people and so he thought that the rest of Europe should be Germany's bread basket and proceeded to exterminate the local population in eastern Europe or send them to labor camps in order to send Germans to colonize it.

>>140517943
>Now post the links who explain how hitler decided to starve and kill the Ukrainians despite the fact that they offered to help him fight against stalin.
Isn't that your job if you make the claim? I don't think they would refuse manpower because "dude you're Ukrainian lol". Near the end, anything went.
>Didn't hitler believe all slavs were subhuman filth?
Circumstantially, for adopting Marxist nonsense. Had the French had their Lenin, you would have rhetoric denouncing the French menace. They were a reaction to the Marxist forces and the Jewish influence within foreign governments.

Classical Liberalism is a western creation, a defining part of Western civilization.

THe Wehrmacht fought a war driven by an ideology that conceptualized Western Euroepans as being part of the same race as Indians (lol Aryans) so i hope you poo in your loo OP.

Nationalism Socialism is anti-Western.

>>140489247
> no subsequent wars between the Communists and the Libereals
> what is korea
> what is vietnam
> what is south america
> what are proxy wars
> what are nukes

>>140518296
Wow I bet no British ever thought to do that to the whole fucking planet

>>140496351
>He wasn't exactly an enemy to kikes
I often laugh at idiots who link stuff that they didn't even read.

>The agreement was controversial at the time, and was criticised by many Jewish leaders both within the Zionist movement (such as the Revisionist Zionist leader Ze'ev Jabotinsky) and outside it.

>>140485737

Yeah, that's why they shot my all Polish family. Liberation German style.

>>140518296
>Hitler wanted "living space" for the German people
Correct.
>he thought that the rest of Europe should be Germany's bread basket
Not correct. Never invaded "Europe", the initial war was against Poland for the whole territorial disputes.
The subsequent war declaration is what caused the entire shitstorm to ensue. Hess' peace offer, as poor as it may have been, demonstrated the true intention: an unrestricted assault on the USSR.
>proceeded to exterminate the local population in eastern Europe
Perhaps the local population should have been wise to follow traditional "war rules" many love to appeal to and not resisted the oncoming forces. Then, they would not have to execute groups for being paramilitary or some resistant forces. Kind of like gooks in the Vietnam war. You reap what you sow.
Again, that wasn't the cause OF the war. They did not attack to do just that, that was a byproduct: the ensure German lands. They did not want to invade the USSR "just because". Again, it was always primarily about Marxism and its destruction.

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>>140501098
>history channels nazi era
You're not redpilled. You're bluepilled. Lurk more.

History Channel is owned by A&E Networks:

>President & CEO
>Nancy Dubuc (jewish)
http://www.aenetworks.com/about/executives

A&E Networks is a joint venture between Hearst Communications:

>President & CEO
>Steve Swartz (jewish)
http://www.hearst.com/bios

and Disney-ABC Corporations:

>President & CEO
>Ben Sherwood (jewish)
http://www.disneyabcpress.com/disneyabctv/disney-abc-senior-executives/

>>140519104
>>140518314
>Isn't that your job if you make the claim?

It should have been YOUR job.

Here you go:

http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/07/26/understanding-the-ukrainians-in-wwii-part-3-of-german-plans-and-german-collaborators/

https://ww2db.com/country/Ukraine

>>140518561
Proxy wars and the cold war were not direct wars like ww2.

>>140518934
>Perhaps the local population should have been wise

Eat shit. You invade my country - I will fight you with everything I've got.
Are you some kind of pussy by any chance?

>>140494695
Good post and great video
>All those mentions to Finland :')

My most memorable red pill this year was when someone posted the statistics of in reeding in the Middle East. That information really blew my mind

>>140518914
Your hook-nosed grandpa was shot at the ripe age of 10 too? My condolences.

>>140494695
>invade someone that has allies
>the country's allies declare war
>he dindu nuffin!

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>>140507419
Yeah, fuck those Germans!

>>140518934
>Germany never invaded anyone
retard.
You.

>>140519323
nuclear weapons prevent direct wars from happening though, proxy wars/cold war the only options

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>>140517943
>Didn't hitler believe all slavs were subhuman filth?
If Hitler believed that, then why was over a third of his army slavs, including the Axis powers of Serbia, Croatia and Slovakia and over a million Russians?

>It is estimated that nearly one million former Soviet citizens took up arms against the Red Army in the Wehrmacht, Waffen SS, and various Axis sponsored units (this includes other national groups such as the Ukrainians, Belarusians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Chechens, Kazakhs, Georgians, Armenians, and other non Russian groups).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Movement

>Secret archive reveals how Russia showed huge support for 'Christian crusader' Nazi invaders who had come to fight 'godless communists'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003413/Soviets-supported-Christian-crusader-Nazis-World-War-II.html

>Russians who fought for National Socialist Germany - Russian Liberation Army
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofgLFvFDjKg

Why did he induct an entire division of Ukrainians into the racially elite SS?

>14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)

>14th Waffen Grenadier Ukrainian Division of the SS 1st Galician
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR6xLnngCmg

Why was every non-communist slav male of fighting age in Hitler's army if he thought they were subhuman filth?

>>140519323
>Proxy wars were not direct wars like ww2.
Maybe one of the dumbest statements we've read on /pol/ this year. Did you pull 'direct war' out your ass just now or was it a memo?

>>140518934
Maybe the citizens of Berlin should of been wise to follow "war rules" and not have resi- Oh wait that's a retarded argument justifying a war crime.

>>140518914
>terrorize germans on illegaly "owned" land
>surprised when they face justice
It's not the Germans' fault that p*les are incapable of behaving

>>140518296
>>140518934
To add, the pact with the USSR was always meant to be temporary. However, the cause of the war was not targeted to the Soviets initially. I do think they would have declared war on them

>>140519983
>If Hitler believed that, then why was over a third of his army slavs

You understand that you pic is misleading as fuck?
There were collaborator minorities in each nation (flag) that is posted. But they were in no way representative of the nation as a whole.

The 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician) was formed in May 1943.
That was after the Soviets had finally turned the tide of the war i.e. after the total, absolute, and utterly destructive defeat the Germans suffered in Stalingrad in February 1943.

In short, hitler the absolute cunt, who believed all slavs were subhumans - finally decided to accept them in his loving embrace AFTER his had lost about 3 million of his best men, and was shitting his pantaloons in his bunker.

Hence, your links actually support, the statement that hitler despised the slavs.

>>140520017
total war is the right expression

>>140520734
That would of been highly unlikely.
The Soviet Union was in no state of declaring war against Germany and Stalin knew that. To add to that, it was never within Stalins interest to spread communism across Europe, that was Trotsky's approach.

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>>140485737
Biggest redpill?
God exist,and he's very disappointed with all of us
Just like my father
Huh...

>>140519323
"It was to be headed by Erich Koch, a man who is on record as having stated, “If I meet a Ukrainian worthy of being seated at my table, I must have him shot.”"
And this is what we call poisoning the well.
>Under the Generalplan Ost, the German master-plan for colonisation of the East of Europe, 65% of the inhabitants of western Ukraine would either be starved to death or scheduled to be deported to Siberia
Lots of misinterpretation of the subsequent events. GO was not as you describe, it is the same argument as "the Germans totally wanted to invade Norway, they wanted to execute them all!"
For wartime purposes, it was necessary. That was not the root cause.

>>140519323
>Eat shit. You invade my country - I will fight you with everything I've got.
Then don't be surprised when civilian combatants are treated ruthlessly. That's war- what are you, some kind of pussy?

>>140519837
Germans never invaded "Europe". Various nations, for various causes, were invaded. But the whole continent was not conquered.
>>140520246
Sorry, war crimes don't exist. In times of war, the law is silent. That's why the US and the USSR can do things: no superior force can hold you accountable. For the first years of the war, that was the Germans.
>>140521459
That's not what I said. I said that the Germans would invade to kill the Soviets.

>>140521636
>what are you, some kind of pussy?
Yet you'd probably sequel the moment someone mentions the rape of Berlin or Dresden.

>>140522411
Nope, that's war. War is hell, it has no rules. Nice job making my assessments of historical events for me. Want me to put words in your mouth, too?

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>>140521584
>>140521636
>>140521857
>GO was not as you describe
>Then don't be surprised when civilian combatants are treated ruthlessly
>civilian combatants
>Germans never invaded "Europe"
>war crimes don't exist. In times of war, the law is silent

holy shit
just stop posting you dumb fuck
pic related

>>140522411
according to the butt-pirate, Dresden was completely justified

>>140522511
>War is hell

said the basement dweller

>>140493735
So, Lose Lose or Lose

>>140522776
I'm serious, though. Ost is greatly overhyped, as are more euphemistic German documents are weak and interpreted by the same well-poisoning you demonstrate.
Nice ad hominem attacks, btw. I can easily dismiss your argument as being "this group I dislike". That would make be intellectually dishonest, like you have demonstrated yourself to be.
War is still hell. Doesn't matter if I have fought in one or not: it is still amoral. It's a struggle for survival. Geneva convention means bullshit if the US and NATO decide to wage war on some measly nation. Nobody to enforce rules during war (which is about enforcing your national rules on the opposition) means law is irrelevant.

>>140485737
>and liberate Eastern Europe from communism.
>by making it his colonial empire on the same level as British Raj but make all slavs serfs
Im all ok with Germany taking back the corridor, but taking most of native slavic lands for "muh lebensraum" was utterly autistic.

>So much slavs eager to fight for you to destroy bolshevism and liberate themselves... and you waste it...
No wonder the faggots lost...

>>140523707
I agree, even during the disputed last will, Hitler cedes the point that the Czech campaign is when international opinion shifted against them. Until then, isolationists and unbiased onlookers didn't care enough to risk world war over Poland. Lindbergh made the most convincing arguments.
I don't think they invaded the USSR for solely racial reasons, to just "kill Slavs". That's a really reductionist approach. It was to eliminate the Marxists Hitler wrote of in Mein Kampf. He didn't invade Poland "just because he hated those darn Slavs". Barbarossa wasn't just "we need more living space, Germans need Russian land". That was a symptom and subsequent wartime justification for propaganda, but not the main cause(s).

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>>140490117
Why isn't this allowed in France?
Legal reasons?

>>140523707
>slavs eager to fight for you to destroy bolshevism and liberate themselves

this is the ultimate proof that hitler was autistic as fuck, and he actually DID want to destroy much of europe and its people.
Ukrainians offered their help early at the war, and in response, hitler had them killed by the thousands.
It wasn't until after the germans lost everything on the eastern front that hitler realized he acted like a stupid bitch, and desperately sought allies even among the untermensch.

which makes him a double bitch because by doing so, he not only admitted his stupidity and defeat, but also betrayed his ideology and morals.

>>140523615
>yeah, they were planning to genocide 65% of Western Europe, but they lost so that is completely irrelevant

Basically, they are not monsters because they failed at what they were explicitly trying to do? Give me a break.

>>140524537
It is very likely that 14HESST88 just hates French people.

>>140524324
Any proof for this speculation of yours? How do you know that Hitler did not really believe in those concepts? As far as I know there is no documented istance in which he showed skepticism, and his downright irrational conduct at the end of the War seems to imply that racial purity and living space were actually the whole point of his campaigns.

>>140485737
That Hitler did nothing wrong. To overcome that amount of brainwashing took a lot of reading and effort.

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>>140524929
hitlerboos will rationalize anything and everything in order to defend their emo pop-idol
pic related

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>>140524324
Oh yeah, that absolutely true. It wasn't from the start intentions, they just grew amidst the war.
Soviets were undoubtable planning to attack germans and were getting ready for it, the attack was preemptive attacks, that's for sure.
But with this war, the ambitions grew and grew until "consequences had to be paid payed".
>>140524651
Even fucking Manstein wrote in "Lost Victories" that most autistic and absolutely retarded thing higher ups did, was not tring to liberate ukrainians and other slavs.

Just fucking imagine if Hitler wasn't autistic and from the start tried to liberate the slavs... Entire fucking timeline lost due to autistic ambitions...

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>>140485737
Poland and Czechoslovakia were commies, i knew that poland has been plotting something bad.

>>140524929
>Basically, they are not monsters because they failed at what they were explicitly trying to do?
The entire issue is that it was not 'explicit': it was euphemistic and the post-war analysis relies on well-poisoning to substantiate the claims. Many died, no doubt. The cause was not "let's kill them just because they are Slavs". A lot of it has to do with the response to the invasion.
>>140525355
The last will and testament of Hitler does state the position on the Czech campaign. Its origins are disputed, with some believing it was truthful. Most of the witnesses were killed or died, so that's why it's hard to trace.
>>140525716
Let me know when you make an argument beyond ridicule.

>>140526097
I've made several itt
and you haven't addressed even one
check out my posts and the links i've posted

>>140524929
For example, within the same link the anon cited above.
>At the infamous Wannsee Conference on January 20 1942
The contents of which are disputed, it isn't as orthodox as you are lead to believe. For example: https://www.reddit.com/r/holocaust/comments/366mry/how_do_you_explain_the_wansee_conference/.
Again, none of this actually demonstrates the claims within, considering that it is already admitted that the entirety of the claims are unfalsifiable on the grounds that all the physical evidence was destroyed. Only paper trails discovered decades after exist.
>>140526321
Already have, it relies on euphemistic documents as being self-fulfilling and evidence in and of themselves. No corroborating sources examining the contents within the documents to examine the legitimacy. You can misconstrue the contents to describe deportations or pressures against civilian combatants, similar to the whole Heydrich affair.

>>140526321
>it was agreed by all those present to step up the already ongoing extermination of all the Jews of Europe in line with Hitler’s wishes by means of “evacuation” (a favourite Nazi euphemism for genocide), i.e. forced deportation to the German concentration and extermination camps along with ghettoisation and liquidation
That leap of logic without corroborating physical evidence tho.
Interesting how no post-war agencies were ever established to actually examine the mass graves in order to corroborate the death tolls alleged. Odd, how most other fatalities were estimated to a certain point as a result of investigations and field examinations of these agencies. They don't write legislation on the findings and their validity, though...

German civil war of 1918.

Actual Jewish communists launched civil war right on ending of WW1. No history book ever mentioned this. Backstab theory was real, Jew Bolshevik conspiracy was real. Both sneered as Hitler's delusions in school books.

Flat Earth

>>140526321
>By far and away the most infamous atrocity of the Holocaust on Ukrainian soil is the Babyn-Yar massacre. On September 19 1941 the Germans captured Kyiv. Here as elsewhere on the eastern front, the retreating NKVD put into practice their scorched earth policy by dynamiting and setting fire to buildings deemed useful to the enemy. The Germans made no attempt to put these fires out. Instead they were used as the pretext to round up Kyiv’s Jews.
No source, no citation. How do you know they just let it burn? Doesn't matter, poison the well enough and anything goes. Not very honest if you ask me. Sure, Jews died. Ukrainian nationalists worked with Nazis. I don't understand how killing people during war is bad. You are extending your arbitrary moral framework to wartime. Kind of useless, first thing about war is that it is amoral.

>>140518027
and, once again, another wehraboo appears trying to obsfucate the matter. Since before the start of the war and to this day, apologists like the faggot OP, yourself, and that kraut have tried to to recast the Germans' conniving to subjugate Europe as a glorious crusade when every action they undertook goes against their self-professed cassus belli, and as soon as kraut-lovers like yourself are called out on your bullshit you fall back on retarded Prussian militarist logic, smugly declaring that military necessity justifies all the unnecessary murders, and massacres the Wehrmacht did while complaining about the rank injustice of Dresden and the Air Campaign, the rape of Berlin, or the Soviet treatment of prisoners without losing a single breath.

In short, get fucked. There was nothing noble about Hitler, or his goons. He destroyed Europe, and our collective futures because of his ambitions. there's your real red pill.

>>140529504
Glossing over the substance-less insults, the main premise is flawed from the get-go.
>you fall back on retarded Prussian militarist logic
None of this is unique to Prussians, or Germans, or Soviets. The quote is from Cicero, you mong. He literally said: Silent enim leges inter arma.
Translates into "Laws are silent in time of war."
>smugly declaring that military necessity justifies all the unnecessary murders
All murder is necessary, your peacetime interpretation is without context of amorality and is summarily dismissed. I'm sorry anon, but your sheltered 'human rights' are a social construction not worth the paper they are printed on.
>and massacres the Wehrmacht did while complaining about the rank injustice of Dresden and the Air Campaign, the rape of Berlin
All justified during war, just as the "Soviet treatment of prisoners" was.
>In short, get fucked
Getting a little emotional, I see. That's usually the default position when you address a topic of this nature, with people like you who have an agenda you think is beyond the scope of propaganda.
>He destroyed Europe, and our collective futures because of his ambitions
Another post-war analysis. I'd expect the French to fight for a war of conquest and defend their will to power just the same... oh wait.

>>140485737
For me was when I realized that my mom is 53 yrs old and im just 21. And we are poor. And live in Brazil.
Jesus

>>140485737
In undergrad. Watching scholarship coons act like wild animals in the university library, and discovering that most of them dropout before the 2nd semester and it's all debt free for them.

Earliest redpill was probably the recycling episode of Penn and Teller bullshit

>>140529504
From a fellow leaf: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfJG1vlAfAk.
Sorry, m8. Human rights are a meme and killing your enemy is only expected, be it Germans, Soviets, or Israelis. The natural order is disorder and chaos.

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>>140485737

> get job for tax agency
> 13,000 mail pieces opened a day
> 90% are benefit applications for new non-european immigrants
> "hulo me name abdul i am write to tel you my income before move to canada was $0

8 hours a day 5 days a week
I cant take it anymore

muslims, how they act as a collective and are disingenuous etc, made me realize jews could do the same thing

>>140485737
privately owned and operated central banks who create a rift in the economic fabric of humanity and makes evil profitable.

My biggest red pill was realising we need a moment of pinochet style dictatorship to be able to proceed into an ancap society.
I know many people already know this but it's still my biggest red pill.

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>>140536991
Ancap society is utopia. In the end you'll end up having 2 large companies controlling 90% of the market.