How do we deal with the alcoholism problem?

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>>140451894

have a little will power you weakling faggot
ween yourself gradually if you're this far gone

disgusting!

how tf is alcoholism even real like damn nigga just close your mouf like nigga pls

You learn chemistry and suicide. Its simple.
Nobody who love alchool, escaped from that.

>>140451894
legalize weed

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>>140452249
Underrated lol

Accept Allah and Sharia Law which prohibits alcohol.

>>140451894
stop marketing it like some cure all or social necessity.

I drink way more than I should and it definitely has it's hooks in me. I'm not that bad, but it's not a friendly drug. Alcohol withdrawal can kill you, not even heroin does that.

Head over to al/ck/ if you ever wanna see it first hand.

cbd helped me

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>>140451894
drink to death of course

>>140451894
Video games I guess. Life is shit for many so they turn to things to escape it such as Vidya, alcohol, drugs or a variety of things.

>>140451894
Try AA or one of the many non-faith based alternatives

Legalize ketamine

>>140452224
not me, but a family member unfortunately... i've tried this method of chastising but it only makes shit worse

>>140453080
many drink because of stress, AA won't help and it's religiously biased

Legalize magic mushrooms, it's the only way. speaking of being in the position of marijuana being lethal towards my sanity, i go into paranoid fits smoking pot, mushrooms will probably be the wave of the future in treating the fear of death and ptsd.

>>140452320
it's already legal where I am

Paranoia and schizophrenia included.

Literally nothing wrong with alcoholism. Many of the greatest men throughout history were alcoholics.

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>>140451894
I have pretty severe insomnia and every male in my family has it too. I have tried every prescription sleeping drug there is, and I have found that having 2-3 shots of vodka in the hour before I go to bed is the best sleeping concoction I've ever used. I might wake up with a dry mouth but I'm never hungover and I no longer have the side effects from taking prescription drugs that do Christ knows what to your brain and body. That is my normal amount of consumption but I also enjoy getting shitfaced and stupid with my friends every now and then.

Alcohol is a drug and you can use it responsibly.
Alcohol isn't the problem, responsibility is.

>>140453529
>We found that lower results on IQ tests are associated with higher consumption of alcohol measured in terms of both total alcohol intake and binge drinking in adolescent men.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4368388/

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>>140451894
If you can't hold your liquor, stay away from the liquid jew. You only make the ((((Bronfman's))) richer.

http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/reststory/bronfmanscrime.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g34dHGMyz9c

>>140453753
>Kanazawa found that kids who scored higher on IQ tests grew up to drink larger quantities of alcohol on a more regular basis than their less intelligent peers. He evaluated other factors, including religion, frequency of church attendance, social class, parents’ education and self-reported satisfaction with life, and found that intelligence before age 16 was second only to gender in predicting alcohol consumption at age 23.

https://newrepublic.com/article/115802/intelligence-and-drinking-studies-say-theres-correlation

>>140451894
I don't have a problem faggot

>>140451894
just one more and you'll be good

>>140454120
link to the actual study not some blogger bending the results to suit him.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16185206
>Irrespective of socio-economic position, a high IQ was associated with preference for wine to other beverages, but IQ was not related similarly to alcohol consumption

>>140454601
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23443272

Another study saying the non drinkers are the dumbest of the bunch

As a redpilled alcoholic. You don't.

>>140451894
Unless you genetically engineer everyone to be born a certain way you aren't getting rid of any sort of substance abuse issues.

I know nature vs nurture and all that fun stuff, but a lot of this is just how our brains are wired

I'm just a social drinker. I only drink when I have to talk to other people.

>>140455994
That's really interesting anon.

>>140451894
Uncuck the population and give them pride in something better than
>muh individualism

>>140451894
Stop letting women in bars

>tfw swallow the redpill
>work out, try and redpill others, focus on bettering myself, make gains
>trump gets elected, hell yea
>wait a sec, what's going on here, bombs syria, realize gf is a degenerate druggie, dump her, quit job for a better job, realize I got scammed and get laid off 1.5 months in, all the while watching america continue to go down the shitter and eat more kike lies.
>tfw made a scene and got a severance package because they lied, but that gravy train is about to run out ina few weeks and I live in florida that is about to get hit by a fucking huge hurricane.

people probably wouldn't drink so much if america wasn't a wasteland of degeneracy, race mixing and just general kikery.

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>>140453197
Same here. Being stuck with a paranoid alcoholic is living in a hell of delusion and lies. Alcohol should be banned from the planet.

>>140453197
You ain't fixing anyone. Worry about your own life. Have a frank conversation about their drinking problem once and leave it there.

I have a drinking problem please help guys.

>>140458904
same anon. Wanna vent?

>>140451894
>hang out with friends
>"lets go to the bar"

>hang out with coworkers
>"lets go to the bar"

>hang out with girls
>"lets go to the bar"

>meeting new people
>"lets go to the bar"

>hanging out with friends
>"i dont want to go to the bar"
>"lets go to the club"

i fucking hate these people

>>140455994
The best type

>>140459224
Yeah I'm just so fucking bored with my life. I thought I would have more by now but I hated my job for the longest time but after taking the red pill I dont see it getting better.

>>140460802
IKTF

got a masters in biomed, only can get jobs in sales. drinking seems preferable.

>>140460893
Hey atleast you went to college! I was going to work in a warehouse for a year to help pay for it. Now its been 7 year since then. Atleast I can say I run it.

>>140461183
ehh college is a joke. Wish I worked with my hands.

Got a freelance writing job on the side. Always wanted to be a writer but it's funny how writing for money ceases to be fun. It's all seo crap on repetative topics. Makes me feel like I write for buzzfeed.

I dunno why people are so anti AA. I have been going to the last 14 months and my life has got better. Simple as that.
If anyone has concerns about whether they have a problem and want to ask serious questions I am happy to try and help.

>>140461924
Ever relapse since you started, if so when?

>>140462211
yes i did. After about 6 months for stupid reasons. But I have been dry again for 6 months. Relapses happen. You don't get thrown out of AA or chastised for relapsing. In fact it was worth relapsing because it proved to me that nothing changes after a period of abstinence.

>>140462501
How many meetings you go to a week?

>>140461924
Not OP, but, AA is good and I didn't take it seriously enough. Moved to another city and fell of the wagon after 4 months.

Something about the 90/90 (which I did) made me uncomfortable. I kinda miss it now though. It was good having people who understood what it felt like to be a drunk and not be happy after a few beers and need to get more.

I've gotten minor wd symptoms lately and I miss them more. GF doesn't know anything about what I was like and afraid she'll leave me if I ever go back or finds out how I am.

sorry for the blog post bros. ya'll get it though.

>>140462577
Depends, when i started i went everyday for 90 days.
Now i go 3-4 times a week.
I live where there are lots of meetings.

>>140451894
>we
what the fuck are you talking about

what am I supposed to do about retards with no self-control? they run everything into shit, pretend they dindu nuffin, stagger around and say they are on 'meds', and quietly drink all fucking day long secretly, driving drunk to get more
shall we deport them, kill them, imprison them, give them more alcohol hoping they'll od, or what

I don't drink at all.

>>140462884
Shit I've been a week but screwed up today

>how do we deal with alcholism

Deu 21:18-21

"18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid."

>>140452496
Fuck off, Achmed
A little alcohol now again is great.
Being an alcoholic, however, is being a degenerate.
Your men go pure degenerate after any sight of a woman's hair and after any alcohol... I know some who drink.
No tolerance or self control whatsoever. Animals.
Thank god these subhuman scum DON'T drink. Imagine what they'd be like? They'd probably rape one of their acid victims and fuck a dead child after.

>>140462991
Don't be hard on yourself, pick yourself up, dust yourself off and try again.

>>140463208
Thanks everytime I drink now it sucks anyway because it's not even fun and I get sick as a fucking dog afterward, never even got hungover in the past. Maybe it's a blessing, hoping I can go to my second day of work tomorrow and not drink or get sick

>>140459372
Yes exactly!
It's all we know how to do nowadays, that and eat fast food.
We need to instill old ettiquette, socialize in person more.
Learn how to actually dance and play cards and discuss adult conversations.
We need to make our culture great again.

I have an alcohol problem

I ran out and the alcohol sale only starts in an hour

>>140463141
>2017
>families breaking up
>no elders
>most people would pat him on the back for being brave

also, I feel like as a deus vult larper, you can't just quote the OT without referencing the NT. OT makes no sense without NT. It's just a bunch of jewish laws that set the stage for christ.

Drug called naltrexone gave me my life back. Used to be unspeakably alcoholic. I tell everyone I can about it.

>>140463736
How'd you get it

AA has helped many thousands of seemingly helpless alcoholics find long term sobriety.
The "steps" only mention alcohol in the first step. The rest are just a good plan for living a better life.

If not religious in biblical sense. The word God is used for want of a label, but you can use another word if you want to. It's just about accepting that you are not the centre of the universe and that there is something somewhere in the Universe that is greater than you.

It's not a cult, no one makes you go, no one makes you do the steps. I think following a sports team religiously could be defined as being in a cult.

I think about 10/15% "get it" and keep coming back. I have seen a lot of people come through the doors, complain about how bad their life is and then never come back.

Give it 3-6 months of regular attendance. If it's not for you, then go back to the bar. What have you lost? The bar will still be there in 6 months, the "drinking friends" will still be there.

Alcohol has been around for a very long time, it's mentioned in the bible. The whole water into wine shit. It's not going anywhere.

There are different types of alcoholics, 24/7, morning drinkers, binge drinkers, those that can stop, but not stay stopped.

It's not about what or how much you drink, it's about the problems that are caused when you do drink.

If you find that once you start drinking, you can't stop, then you are most likely an alcoholic. 1 is to many, 1000 is not enough.

You will find that you start to move away from old social circles and find new friends in AA. But ask yourself, are the people you spend time with really your friends or are they "drinking buddies"?

Benefits of not drinking
No hangovers
No checking your phone the next day wondering who you have been messaging in blackout.
More money
More self respect
If AA's a cult, I'm happy to be in it.

>>140451894
they tried to once and it just made a lot of rich people just look into the JFK family that is how they got big.

>>140463765
you gotta get a prescripton

>>140463832
Thanks anon

>>140463433

what a ignorant degenerate.
indeed is your luck it is 2017.
such heresy would have been met with the stake.
the degeneration of this world is your luck, wicked man. but he overcome the world.

>>140451894
teach people to know how to abstain, it isn't hard and most people just get hooked because they've got nothing else going for them

>>140464206
No problem, don't give up before you give it a chance.

>>140464280
yea you didn't debate my point. good talk, dork.

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>>140451894
>How do we deal with the alcoholism problem?
Well, you stop drinking! Duh!
*applause*

>>140452356
You know what? This picture changed my mind. If I found that in the men's room I don't think I would be able to stop myself from shoving it's head in the toilet.

>>140454120
You never heard that alcohol makes you smarter? It kills the slow brain cells. Makes the rest run better.

>>140451894
The real question is how do we deal with these unjust laws targeting alcoholics?

We have high tolerances so the standard blood alcohol measuring system doesn't work.

>>140464280
debate what point?
>the "Jewish laws" are not important
they were so not important that Christ followed those, attacking the jews who didn't, and eventually they got him to the cross for it?
>"you can't just quote the OT without the NT"
what the actual fk?!Are you pope Francis and can tell me what i can or cannot read of the word or of the law?
"OT makes no sense wihout NT"
How can someone be this retard?

>families breaking up

they don't follow the law nor the word what do you expect.
check the divorce rates of practicant families both catholics, protestant.
check the divorce rates of the jewish too.

> no elders
there are, but the degenerated Countries will punish em to speak the Law of God

>most people
ye most people are degenerates like you, who had never read the law the Christ himself followed.

>you didn't debate my point

you had no point.
what i did now was not a debate but a sin.
as i gave a dog what is sacred, and throwed a pearl to a pig.

>>140465368
Nice Cheers quote Cliffy.

>>140451894
With beer anon with beer

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>>140451894

I will continue the millennia long struggle that every one of my forefathers before me has faced. It will either beat me or I will beat it, this is the only way to deal with it.

As a side note, alcohol should have warnings like tobacco does. Our cigarette packs have pictures of tarry lungs and those people with holes in their necks. Alcohol should have the same thing, pictures of fucked up livers on the bottle or little broken families on beer cans.

>>140451894
>>140453197
>>140453309
>>140453753
>>140454601
>>140452252
>>140452496
>>140454128
>>140463141
>>140464280
>>140465518
This is your daily reminder that fake flags are cancer and only pussies and paid shills hide behind them.

>>140451894
>How do we deal with the alcoholism problem?

Buzz maintenance.

Find your best level of buzzed, and learn to stay at it, instead of drinking to excess.

It's tricky, but it can be done.

>>140464206

I can also vouch for AA, except I was on the NA side with a drug abuse problem. Definitely check it out dude, there's no reason not to, and they have meetings fuckin everywhere all the time, even in little shithole towns.
I met some solid dudes in that program. And yeah, there's a lot of shitty people there too, but it's easy to tell the people who actually want to stay clean from the people who are just court ordered to be there. NA and AA are as much about the stuff that happens outside of meetings as they are about the meetings. You'll meet good people, who are likeminded, many of them are redpilled as fuck too. And then you become friends and you call each other and check in, go and do fun shit together without drinking or drugs.

People who talk shit about NA or AA are seriously only two types of people: either they couldn't stay clean and want to blame everyone else in the program, or they've never even had a substance abuse problem and are wannabe experts.

The steps are a much bigger deal than they look. I know when I first looked at the steps I was like oh that's easy I can do that in a week. But there's books in NA called step-work books that really have you do some soul searching and answer some tough questions about your life. Honestly I think anyone who has an addiction, even if it's just to food, or sex or porn or whatever, should do that workbook, it's a good way to learn about yourself.

Good luck anon, there's legit good people out there who want to help you if you want the help, don't be embarrassed and don't let some non-addict fags talk shit about it and convince you not to. You might be degenerate now but you can turn that around man.

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>>140451894
its only a problem when you run out

>>140451894
I don't have problem with alcohol, I have problem with people saying I have problem with alcohol.

>>140451894
he's drinking out of a glass, not the bottle. I'd say he's good.

>>140465859
> Speak BS
> get called out for it
> muh not a debate, Debate me!
> get schooled
> tag other 4 people in a daily reminder
> people needs your pussy reminders
> what could they do without those.

Apologetic pussie.

drunk right fucking now, honestly a good way to tell genetic mistakes from real aryans is whether they drink

>>140465975
Good post.
I agree that not everyone you meet in rooms are good people. But that is like life. But there are good people that go.

All the programs Narc anon, Cocaine anon, Gamblers anon, Overeaters anon all based on the 12 step AA program.

Also agree that people that shit mouth AA are people that never went or never stayed long enough to get it. They expected a miracle on day one.

Am I the only one who cringes visibly when I see females drink?
I can sort of understand sipping a glass of red wine, but when it's shots of stomach-rot vodka, I lament the continual degradation of gender rolls and society as a whole.

>>140451894
>How do we deal with the alcoholism problem?
go to meetings.

t: 2 years clean

>>140466368
I just posted in the thread for the first time retard. Obviously you don't want us to see your leaf or third world you little faggot.

>>140465518
you sound like a boomer. jeez.

Jewish laws are important insomuchas they were important to christ. Beyond that I don't care.

OT only makes sense in their fulfillment with Jesus christ in the NT. If you're hung up on the OT, you're a jew.

>divorce rates
yea they're terrible all over the western world because of jewish media indoctrination.

>never read the law christ himself followed
christ was the law. Jeez you really are dumb.You cling to all this OT stuff when, christ himself clearly fulfilled them.

also

>you had no point.
>what i did now was not a debate but a sin.
>as i gave a dog what is sacred, and throwed a pearl to a pig.

imagine being this big of a self-aggrandizing loser. You can stop larping now.

>>140455994
I heartily kek'd
t. Alcoholic

I began drinking at age 14. And not that pussy drinking. I have almost no memory of any weekend between then and my 24th birthday. Every weekend I would be blackout drunk. I havent stopped drinking altogether, but I dont go for more than a slight buzz anymore. I can share stories if you want. But Ill at least share how to stop.

Just stop, like seriously. Take a look at yourself, admit you have a problem and stop. And then, before you take a drink, realise it is not the alcohol you want. But the ability to socialize, the ability to talk to people, it is a million other things. You DO NOT want to be drunk. I stopped drinking altogether for a few months and am glad I can drink socially in small doses, but even that is pretty degenerate to be honest. I just really like the taste of alcohol and I completely stopped the liquorjew. But yah....its that easy.

more alcohol lol
remember alcoholics know the secret
if you have a bad acid trip just drink more and then you'll feel better
alcohol is the cure for everything

>>140466368
you didn't school anybody

you're deus vult larping and making a fool of yourself. Nu-pol is terrible.

We all know there's a brazil flag there.

>>140463832
Look if it works for you, I'm pleased for you.
Here is my main gripe with AA dogma:
- we have no power over it
- we will never get better

I drank alcoholically for literally years. Every day, 8+ strong cans of beer a night. When I went to seek out help to try and keep my failing relationship together, I was told I needed to be detoxed medically. I went later and lied about the amount I was drinking and they still said the same thing.

Here's the deal: You NEED to want to quit. I knew I had a problem and wanted to quit on some level for years before I actually did. I went through multiple arrests and hospitalisations in this time - the kind of thing that really should be a wake up call but wasn't. I'm not sure what, if anything, tipped me over the edge in the end but I made a concious decision to quit and did.

There were a few false starts. I had little (read: no) success tapering off, I ended up using benzodiazepenes for a medical withdrawal. I went to a couple of AA meetings in the beginning and was put off hugely. I found the anecdotes and stories useful as I could relate, but I found the dogma and atmosphere very claustraphobic. I can see how if you literally have nobody else in your life, or you're 20-30 years further down the road than I was (not sure I'd have made it that long t bh but you get the idea) then it has it's place. And whatever helps people quit is ultimately good..

BUT here I am around 2 years after starting my sobriety journey and I am able to have drinks socially. I'm still inclined to drink too much and make a tit of myself, but the key is to not buy any more booze the next day no matter how shitty you feel. It's totally do-able and I don't think I'm messing with my health by doing so, but first you need to shed the dogma that 'you'll never be ok again', actually fix the circumstances in your life that cause you to drink too much, AND spend a prolonged period of time sober so you can learn to cope without.

Just my opinion.

Baclofen works for me. Read 'The end of my addiction' by Dr. Olivier Ameisen. The general thesis is that many alcoholics have a natural GHB deficiency. Baclofen is a GABAb agonist, just like GHB and alcohol. That shit saved my life, I was on the 2 liters of wodka/day train for years before I started taking baclofen. I can honestly say I'm a social drinker now.

>>140451894
GO to meetings brother.

>>140453309
And where's that?

>>140453583
I dunno. 35 years as a doctor, now retired. There is a controversy even in the medical community. I do believe there are a few people who literally cannot drink (or do drugs). Something about their brain is different. Now that I am retired I can admit it, in my youth I did everything, coke, heroin, lots of LSD and I have been a "moderate drinker" all my life. Never had a problem with any of it. Heroin scared the shit out of me and I realized if I wanted to do something else with my life I needed to stay the hell away from that.

That said, I have known people for whom "one is too many and a thousand ain't enough". They can't stop at just "feel good". Most of us can. For them it is not a choice, I don't think. I rally don't think it is quite fair for the rest of us to tell them platitudes like "just be responsible".

At the same time we can't change the whole fucking world to accommodate them. It sucks but if you are one of the few who can't you are literally gambling your life with that first drink. The ONLY way to recovery for those few once they start is hit bottom. Any one who enables them on the way down is just prolonging the agony. Help them by getting them to the bottom as fast as you can.

>>140451894
Lock them up in a prison-like community centre so they can't get their hands on any?

>>140466900
Great post, thanks for sharing.

>>140463206
The reality is this. Only white people can drink. EVERY other demographic has a total lack of the enzyme needed to metabolize it, ethanol dehydrogenase. This is why no whites act like they are on LSD with ONE drink.

DESU I was a painkiller addict and then started doing heroin. I'm glad I never really cared for drinking because it's obviously much more accessible and cheap.

When you meet someone for the first time you don't usually say "hey wanna go snort some H?" But saying "want to grab a drink?" Is totally acceptable. And then when you don't drink (I quit everything for 18 months when I first got clean) people look at you like there's something wrong with you.
It's also pretty easy to avoid my dealers, but every time you go to the grocery store you've got aisles of booze there.
Man, that sucks for alcoholics.
I mean, the /pol/ answer is "just man the fuck up you degenerate pussy. Just stop being a weak faggot."
But the realistic answer is, go online and find an AA/NA meeting in your area. Don't bother with the $10,000 a month celebrity rehabs. Just go to meetings, meet other people that want to stay clean, and listen to how they do it. One addict helping another. And you'll hear all kinds of armchair experts saying "well AA only works like 10% of the time so it's obviously bullshit blah blah blah" but those 10% of people wouldn't be clean if it wasn't for AA. And it's not like it's government funded, it's completely run by its own members, so what the fuck do they care?

>>140466900
Basically what I'm trying to say is AA PISSES me off because:

- It is a fucking cult
- People including some medical professionals still treat their dogma like it's "omg the ONLY way to stop drinking"

Ironically, I have worked quite a few of the 12 steps into my sobriety but I've done this naturally and unconciously. I don't think pushing the AA meme as THE ONLY WAY to stop drinking is helpful at all. It reinforces a sense of helplessness, and ultimately, if you're powerless over it, how did you quit?!

But I was never an alcoholic in the first place, right guize :D

>>140466900
Well done to you.

I just think that trying balance/manage the amount you drink is more hassle, effort, stressful and more dangerous than just surrendering and accepting no more drinking.

>>140451894
i was chugging bottle after bottle 2 years ago ..i started smoking weed , now I dont smoke ciggs and dont drink much anymore.

im not very good at stopping at an appropriate time when i am in one of the moods. I'm probably an alcoholic, though I am not compelled to drink all the time. But i have a very unhealthy relationships with alcohol. Oh well.

>>140453263
>AA won't help and it's religiously biased
Obviously you have never been to one, and have no clue. Really. What you hear from your buddy who fell off the wagon again anyway is certainly not true.

It is not religious at all. It is spiritual. Drinking because of X is not the actual deal. The concept is that a real deal alcoholic will drink as a first resort. A little bit of stress, a tough ride home, a poor phone call after dinner etc.

It has worked 100% for every alcoholic who has given it 100%. Really. If you go, and take into consideration what the concepts are, you have no reason to drink. You don't want to.

>>140453529
>Many of the greatest men throughout history were alcoholics.
Most didn't die in a pretty way either.

>>140455888
>a lot of this is just how our brains are wired
This is the absolute truth. Addictive "types" is a real thing. Type "A" personality etc. There are plenty of backup signs to just drinking...

>>140453197
>not me, but a family member unfortunately
You cannot help a real deal alcoholic. You cannot make them go to rehab. You cannot make them go to meetings. You can tell them that they will eventually end up in Jails, hospitals, infirmaries and commonly dead. The only thing that stops a real deal drunk from drinking is if they want to and are getting help. You must get help, or you will drink again. There is no magical fix it. It is a condition that needs upkeep, and gets better but never gone.

For me, I just drank. Non-stop. Started in the mornings, and ended when I passed out after work...if I worked. I got sick of feeling like shit and spending $35-50 any given day....my last binge lasted almost 4 years. Every day. Non-stop. I only drank beer. cases/day. Got sick of it. Got sick of myself, and what I had become.

You got to want help. Get on your local AA website, and find the number. Call and ask questions. Honest to god's truth, these people only give advice.

t: 2 years clean

>>140467334
Ok great, you have found a solution that doesn't involve AA, Good for you.
But, don't shit on AA because it's helped 1000's of people sort their lives out.

>>140467093
Np mate. I might have gone a little OTT with >>140467334 but I do have a problem with the dogma mainly lol.

The group side of it (which is what it's mainly about) is hugely helpful. I used /r/stopdrinking as my 'AA meetings' in the beginning. A lot of steppers there, but a lot of individuals as well. Sharing definetely does help in the beginning when you're getting back in touch with your emotions. I also used SMART a few times which is a more CBT based approach, but I never really got into any groups.

>>140467340
No I absolutely had to be 100% sober for a year or so before I could reach this point. It still scares the fuck out of me (the idea of going back there) and I stay vigilant. I'm not going to lie, I will always struggle with it, but in terms of actually living life (especially in our society) I find the opposite. Whatever works for you dude, and I wasn't trying to be so hard on AA, I do see a lot of merits too. Sober is better than drunk, after all.

>>140467334
It is definitely cultlike depending on where you go. But those people are addicts to everything, most alcoholics or drug addicts also have addictive and hugely codependent personalities. So you have a bunch of people who previously filled their time and effort with getting high or drunk, and are now putting that much effort into staying clean, so of course they are clingy and cultlike.
I'd say the main difference between 12 step programs and cults though is that you're free to leave whenever you want. People come and go all the time. I mean if you've been around for a while and you disappear, people will probably call to check up on you, but if you're out drinking or whatever, they will leave you alone. It's not like they are call your employer or come to your house and kidnap you etc.
there are some frustrating things about the programs, like you've said, but someone who doesn't have any resources can still go and just only take the good stuff and leave the bad. If you don't want to get too involved, then don't make friends there, that's fine. It's not like you have to do EVERYTHING they say. A lot of times I went to meetings, 56 minutes of it was a waste of time, but 4 minutes of it was what I needed to hear or it helped me in some way.

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>>140451894
It's simple lads, if we drink it all, then there won't be a problem any more.

Drink but never get drunk.

>>140467686
>>140467736
I hear you dudes, I was just offering my perspective for balance. Stay at it.

>>140467886
>if we drink it all, then there won't be a problem any more
I'm with the aussie on this one

>>140468279
DELET

>>140466368
Fuck off with your meme flag.
There is no reason to post with a meme flag.

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>>140458253
I know you probably won't see my post anon and I read yours and I wish you better times and fortune in the coming weeks-keep your energy high

>>140451894
I don't have a problem since I never drink but a couple shots of 99 proof sent me to the hospital the other night. Gotta love it

>>140467673
I might give it another try senpai, thanks for posting.

I did go for a couple of weeks once (after quitting by myself with baclofen) but got pissed because
>feel like trash for letting those close to me down time and time again
>they try to tell me I can't blame myself, it's just how I am
I WANT to be held responsible, do you know what I mean? Maybe I'm just too self loathing idk

>>140462646
>afraid she'll leave me if I ever go back
She will if you are a real deal drunk. How many times did you lose everything? God I lost count myself. If you value it more than your sobriety, you are guaranteed to lose it.
>>140463832
>The word God is used for want of a label
I come from the agnostic camp, and really prefer the "god of your understanding" camp. I feel that as a basic pickled human, IF god is real how could I comprehend it? I barely grasp basic electrical. I still pray, and am happy with how I operate. I do lots of service....lots. It helps keep me sober.
>>140463832
>If AA's a cult
Its not, and it can be proven. Cults REQUIRE you to do things to be involved. The only "Requirement" is a desire to stop drinking. Show me one cult with so low an entrance requirement.

AA Gives SUGGESTIONS. Thus far, every suggestion I have followed has resulted in a better me, and an easier life. Imagine that.

>>140464667
>Well, you stop drinking! Duh!
If I had a dollar for every time I herd that. I still laugh every time someone says it to an alcoholic.....Its ironic, but funny as fuck.

>>140466900
>- we have no power over it
>- we will never get better
You have selective hearing loss in addition to being a drunk. They say: You are powerless over alcohol. You will always be an alcoholic. You can be spiritually fit, and go anywhere and even serve alcohol, but you don't dare consume. Ever see a diabetic? Ever wonder how often they serve food they can't eat....because it would KILL THEM? I can be around booze. I don't give 2 fucks. I don't dare drink it again. I have never been arrested...just had a good 2 decade run. My body is pickled permanent.

Have you ever quit? What happened when you got near it again? Its like you never took a break. IF you are a real deal alcoholic, the concept is that you won't ever be a casual "normal" drinker. Read the "big book"...for fuck sake, just the Doctors opinion.

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>>140467886
Some true wisdom here. Thanks, mate.

Let me crack open a beer and tell you about alcoholism my friend.

>>140468517

I understand where you're coming from. I never really bought into the whole "addiction is a DISEASE! We can't help it!" bullshit. Especially because my mom had cancer while I was in NA and people were saying that shit. You can will yourself out of an addiction, you can't will yourself out of an actual disease. I never liked that saying, pissed me off while watching my mom die and having shithead junkies (just like I was) talking about how it's a disease and they can't stop and it's not their fault.
To be honest, if you can hold yourself responsible you're already several steps ahead of most addicts dude.

>>140468517
>I WANT to be held responsible, do you know what I mean? Maybe I'm just too self loathing idk
Yes, I do lol.

I hated looking at myself in the mirror EVERY night....a total failure. I couldn't go one day. Not for my kids, not for my wife, not for my job. I stopped looking in the mirror. I just stopped it all.

I won't get too specific, but either god talked to me one day at work, or I was really suffering from bad alcohol poison....it said shit.

I left work early and went directly to a meeting. I don't hate myself. I have become a dependable person in my family. they respect me for who I am, not because I am dry.

The goofiest shit about being an alcoholic, is that I basically am designed to go against the grain on everything. I need help to quit drinking, so what do I do...constantly fight it. Constantly. Do the work, get a sponsor and a home group. Life gets better.

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>>140463832
See, I am on and off binge drinking daily. Right now I am not because I don't feel like it, but even when I was it wasn't causing any problems in my life. I never did anything stupid while fucking plastered, and I was always in control. Aside from a few hang overs it's been fine.

I thought it was a problem, but when I read about AA it seems like I am not in the same boat.

I also drink with sober friends lol

>>140468904
>I thought it was a problem, but when I read about AA it seems like I am not in the same boat.
The beauty of an alcoholic is that it must be self diagnosed. No other diagnosis works.

I am a total drunk. I would get into fits for it...it was like there was never enough.....I still don't judge someone for drinking beer at 7 am. Hell, it sounds good. I don't judge someone for drinking like a fish. My mom does. If your life never falls apart, you probably aren't in the same boat as us. Booze exasperated every negative emotion I had. It took years of abuse to really warp my brain....and the funnier part is that it is still fucked up. I still want to do shit the wrong way (my way). Shit...

>>140451894
People just need to go off of it slowly. Some handle it better than others. I went from drinking whiskey and beer to just beer then none at all. Stick with instant coffee and juice bros.

>>140468632
>5 24hr chips have been deposited
Read the rest of my posts. I will never be a casual normal drinker again. When I first relapsed it led to a serious bender desu. I don't know what 'clicked' but for me I find it easier to control my drinking (never alone is the main rule and not more than once a week, also weaker drinks than I would've drunk previously) than cut it out 100%, but I absolutely had to spend a long time completely sober to learn to process stress better to be able to get there.

Maybe I went a little hard on AA, but don't knock my personal experiences either. I've provided resources that helped me, and honestly going to AA the two times I did helped me immensely, it just wasn't for me.

>>140468904

>it's not a problem
Yet.

I mean if you can drink with no negative consequences then good for you. But what have you gained from drinking? Has being super fucked up ever resulted in good things happening that otherwise wouldn't have happened? What about all the money you spend?
I mean yeah I get it, a night out drinking with friends can be fun, personally I've never liked alcohol that much, I drink and maintain a steady buzz when I go out but I don't usually get so drunk I can't drive or walk etc.
Yes, maybe you banged that one chick that one time when you were drunk and you wouldn't have had the courage to do it sober, sure. But I'm talking about on the whole, all of your drinking combined, has if had a net positive or negative effect on your life? If it's not negative, and you can keep it that way, then good for you.

>>140451894
>How do we deal with the alcoholism problem?
Stop drinking.

Then deal with the underlining reasons of said alcoholism.

Are you:

18-24?

In decent shape?

Not a criminal?

Joint the military. You'll learn a trade, get college and housing paid for, and after basic any alcohol issues will be gone (they may re-surface after basic, but probably not)

>>140469485
Hi Uncle Sam.

And No.

I have seriously considered getting myself incarcerated for a few months so I wouldn't be able to get booze, that was before trying baclofen.

But I think I'll just do this >>140469261 instead

>>140451894
admit you're one.

>>140469183
>Maybe I went a little hard on AA, but don't knock my personal experiences either. I've provided resources that helped me, and honestly going to AA the two times I did helped me immensely, it just wasn't for me.
All apologies if I got wild. No harm was intended and If I read my quotes correctly I agree with you 100% that it is not a bad thing. There is a common misconception that it is cultish...it could be construed that way, but the wording keeps it honest. 1 simple requirement.

My personal experiences have luckily left me with a single 24hour coin. I don't plan on living long enough to get another.

>>140469485
i see the military recruiters cant convince high school kids to die in some shithole desert anymore so they prey on lonely beta virgins on 4chan now

>>140468632
>If I had a dollar for every time I herd that. I still laugh every time someone says it to an alcoholic.....Its ironic, but funny as fuck.
Yeah m80 I wasn't being srs I was having a crack at Dr Phil

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>>140469197
drinking lets me be a lot more social, and it has helped me in a lot of social situations where I otherwise would have given zero fucks. I am a monk so I don't care about getting laid. But I do give a fuck about talking to people, and I want to talk to people. When I am buzzed I am pretty sure I gain 10 IQ points, and when the buzz turns to drunk it drops lol. I am really happy and friendly when I am drunk, and I enjoy being around others.

Getting too drunk and struggling to work the next day, too hungover to move... seems like all the negativity comes from the day after.

I also use to bartend in a town with a lot of alcoholics. I have golden rules for myself, such as no driving evne if I had just one beer.

Also, most of the times I go out I am the DD, I like it that way cause I get to be mommy babby sitter for the drunk idiots.

>>140469129
I use to live in a native town... and lemme tell ya it was fucking brutal. I never judged anyone... but... some people's entire lives were thrown away for boos... and it never was enough for them; it never is. Their lives in complete shambles and they still say, "oh no a little boos is fine"... like they dont even recognize it despite losing everything.

>>140451894
Only smoke wax 24/7 like me

>>140470240
A drunken monk?
Sorry but what religion demands that its monks stay celebate yet allows them to get hammered on the weekend?

>>140470927
was a joke, as in I just never went with the getting laid route while drunk

>>140451894
quit drinking, that's it. It gets easier after the first week, avoid to see your friends in situations where they drink

>>140453136
this

>>140467673
>It is not religious at all. It is spiritual.

This is why they call it a cult. Knock off the mental gymnastics. Go on redefine the words cult, religious, and spiritual then tell me how it isn't a cult or religious but just spiritual. It's bullshit to get the government to be able to legally require your attendance without running in to separation of church and state issues.

I went to a ton of AA/NA meetings. I benefited greatly. The main benefit came after I realized that for every dude with a 1 year chip there are 100 out there dying because they thought checking off boxes in step working would allow them to say no. AA taught me what doesn't work and the consequences if I get it wrong.

I never worked the steps. I got my shot straight then noticed the steps took care of themselves. I went sober for at least 18 months. Now I drink about every other week. NA kool-aid drinkers will tell you I'm in active addiction because of that but I haven't put a needle in my arm in 5 years. Keep your dogma and the associated relapse cycle and death. Keep your statistically insignificant difference in relapse rates(when you even bother to look). Listening to how people screwed up last time saved my life.

Using AA as a support group and a place to learn from others mistakes will save your life. Splitting hairs over religious and spiritual with sophistry while turning your free will over to a rock or some literature written by someone who knows as much as you WILL KILL YOU.

that said the big book is definitely worth your time to read. Just don't forget your critical thinking. The big book itself calls the 12 steps a suggestion. NA literature is annoyingly shallow and I have yet to find value in it. Searching and fearless moral inventory is applying critical thinking to figuring out what you're doing wrong and what you should be doing instead not writing crap on a step work sheet. If you haven't started a moral inventory how do you admit you have a problem?

>>140451894
Make people happier

>>140472696
the "you're always addicted" thing is appealing to the lowest person there. They say that because they will just start again if they have a few. The idea is to stop until death, and the only way to achieve that is to stick with it. If these people stick with it they will keep coming to AA meetings and help others.

It is obviously not a one size fits all, but it's the equivalent of common core.

>>140451894
Go to AA, find a sponsor, work the steps

>>140473780
>AA

Enjoy your jesus cult

>>140452249
It's not that simple...
I'm a recovering alcoholic sober 2 years now. Everyday is still a struggle to not want a drink.

>>140474001
yeah and everyday is a struggle to not want some fucking cinnamon rolls
get fucking real

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>>140452078
fpbp