Atheists fear this

Christian
>live a life of modesty be happy
>healthy weight because gluttony is a sin
>marry a virgin wife and have a half dozen kids and grow old and die happy
>live for eternity in Heaven

Atheist
>fat and ugly because women cut their hair short and men grow their hair long, get tattoos and piercings
>fat because you watch degenerate porn like game of thrones on Netflix all day and eat junk food
>Catch an STD because you have sex with niggers
>never happy always depressed have to do drugs and alcohol to be happy
>die and burn in Hell

>>140432781
What god?

Sometimes I wonder what it's like to have faith in anything.

>>140433778
There is only one God
>>140433785
It feels good, I used to be an atheist but I started reading the bible and realized it's the truth

>>140432781
If you're wrong about god then you wasted your life and possibly your eternity. What if the mudshits are right? Or what if you die and you're confronted with an angry god screaming at you in babylonian

Which god are you talking about? The Muslim god where you also go to hell if you don't believe.

Because your only .00000000001% more likely to choose the right one and it's quite odd how the right God just happens to be the main religion in the country and regional area you were raised in

>>140434038
>t. mentally weak person
>>140432781
Wew lad, as if I have to be afraid of some sky fairy.

>>140434240
There is only one God, Muslims don't worship God they worship Satan
>>140434284
I'm not an atheist

>>140432781
I don't consider being wrong about god as having wasted my life. I'm still happy about the decisions I have made that were aided by my beliefs.

I don't want to be a good person just to suck up to god or hope that I get into heaven. I want to be a good person because I find many things in this world to be objectionable and I don't want to partake in them.

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Also reminder agnosticism is the only intellectual position

>>140433785
You can beat atheism. Strong real faith is possible .
t. Former Atheist

>>140434513
You'll look back on your atheist years as absolutely wasted.

Insurance Christians get only the coziest brimstones in hell.

>>140432781
>wasted my life
So you waste the one you know for sure is real?

>>140434384
No there are hundreds if not thousands of Gods and all their believers at one point believed there's was the correct one.

You say it's the christian God and another person say it's the Muslim God. If you don't follow the Muslim god you burn forever, if you don't follow the christian god you burn forever if you don't get the proper ancient Greek religion you'll rot in the river styx forever, if you don't follow the Hindu gods you'll be stuck forever here

You went from 100% hellfire to 99.9% hellfire if we're accounting for all the religions

I feel like God would care less about whether or not you worried about him existing and more about whether or not you were actually bothering to be a good person.

>>140434112
Fucking choked on my tea on the imagery

>>140434384
Shouldn't /pol/acks worship Satan though?
I mean if the Jews named a supernatural force their enemy why would we not want to support that thing instead of a rebranded Jew God?

I'll deal with it once the time comes, and AFAIK you won't be around be to brag about being right.

>>140435103
that's not what the bible says bud. If you don't explicitly allow Jesus into your heart your burning in hell forever.

>>140434038
>There is only one God
Aten?

>>140432781
>if I'm wrong about God I've wasted my life
This is such bullshit. Regardless of whether or not God exists holding yourself to a respectable standard is never going to be a detriment to your quality of life

>>140435215
Wouldn't wanna help the guy anyway in that case.

Heaven sounds gay as fuck, what does one do in heaven? The only things I find fun are generally frowned upon by Christians. I'd hate an eternity of living life like some Ned Flanders faggot

>>140432781
Atheist fear and major triggering when you mention as such too

IF you pretend to believe just incase you might be wrong, that doesn't count as believing and you still burn in HELL.
You cant just go along with the motions and LARP as a believer.

>>140435488
Yeah I'm sure a lake of fire is way less gay dipshit

>be me
>go to heaven
>spend an eternity around cucks and the king Jew himself
Would rather burn in hell than submit to your kikery

>>140432781
>christcucks think they're insightful for posting this

>>140432781

No, we don't, anymore than you fear Allah.

>>140435299
who?

>>140435683
It is less gay. Jesus is a faggot and Satan loves the pucci

>>140435096
There's one God retard
>>140435175
The enemy of the Jews is Jesus and God, the Jews killed Jesus Gods only begotten son. They're of the synagogue of Satan!
>>140435299
You need to go back Yuri

>>140432781
I'll take hell over the void any day. Too bad there is no evidence it exists. >>140434529

>>140435658
No you just need to go through the motions, it doesn't matter what you think only what you do.
Even if you daydream about dissecting kids all day as long as you do as the bible says your cool with god

>>140435748
Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

How is this kikery?

>>140435018
A life not lived as a slave to your dopamine response is wasted?

>>140435908
>faggots wanting to go to hell
L O N D O N

Oh yes, Pascal's wager. The problem with this argument is that there is an infinite number of possible Gods, and you're only asserting one of them to be the one true God to worship.

The way you look at things is, I reject God A, while you don't, and thus you are hedging your bets.
The way I look at things, you're rejecting Gods B-Z, while I reject Gods A-Z, and somehow you feel the need to hedge your bets just in case it's God A.

>>140435958
God is you. Of course God knows what you think about.

>>140436095
I'm not English nor do I live in England.

>>140432781
>die and burn in Hell

I'm not too worried about the death part. Its the burning in Hell for Eternity that worries me.

>>140432781
I attended a Catholic Primary School for 7 years, and a Catholic Secondary School for 5 years, both schools made Religion classes compulsory

I still find it easier to believe in the Greek gods

>>140436188
but you are a faggot

>>140432781
Pascal's wager is a ticket to hell. there are few things more vile than insincere faith

>>140435922
>There's one God retard
No there are hundreds of gods and maybe one correct one out of all of them.

However it's the choosing the right one God which is the tricky part since if you forget it's actually the 8th century Babylonian god your kind of screwed to suffer in hell fire or whatever Babylonian religion punishment was. Your equally as likely to be wrong then the Muslims or the Hindu's are right.

Enjoy Hades river of styx when no one buries you with a coin in your mouth

Why would God be a vanity driven dick? And if he was, he doesn't deserve my praise anyway, he won't bully it from me.

>>140436289
Nah

>>140436445
>he gives away his son so people can be saved from a eternity of suffering
>vanity driven dick

>>140436176
You're assuming equal weight to all religions.
>>140436184
All Atheists worship a god: themselves
>>140436283
Unless you're Abo that's sad.

>>140436421
No... there's one God

>>140432781

That's a pretty good reason for you to become Muslim. If you're wrong about Islam...

>>140436640
Well he didn't have to, he's omnipotent right.

>>140434240
Faith requires some uncertainty but you can have good reasons for choosing the faith you've chosen.

>>140436937
there are laws that need to be followed

>>140437085
Why?

What makes christfags so sure that their god is the correct god? What if you die and its the Muslim god who then condemns you to hell? Seems like a fucking roulette spin at this point.

>>140435096
bruh thats because 200 fallen angels came to the earth and started all those rituals and religions. To fool people like you Jesus will come back in your life time so you might be able to repent last minute who knows

>>140436676
I don't think the Bible was meant to be taken literally. Jesus is a metaphor not a person.
The church teaches an interpretation of the Bible to use fear as a means of control.

>>140437199
who knows, God likes laws

>>140432781
allows a meme to provide comfort. kys

>>140435922
>There's one God retard

I'll bet your god doesn't appreciate you calling him a retard.

>>140437200
Because the bible was proven true
What's happening in Europe now with niggers and Muhammedans taking over was predicted in Leviticus

>>140436905
Christian God only threatens your afterlife, Islam threatens both, therefore Islam is the better option.

>>140437267
But he's just doing what he wants then.

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>>140434284
Why do you resort to making the OP's position seem stupid? Just interact with ideas objectively instead of being so superior with it. Plenty of people smarter than you or I have chosen atheism and christianity/theism for millenia, and they will continue to do so.

>>140437331
What are you a liberal? Some people are retards

>>140436676
sad how?
that I couldn't be converted?
i learned from a young age that I've been given one shot at life, i just decided that devoting it to some sociopath in the sky would be a waste

>>140436820
No there's thousands of gods. There may however be one single real God who happens to be your very specific christian god or it could be the Mormon god or the Hindu gods or the Roman Gods.

In which case your equally as likely to burn in hell for not following Muhammad as you are to be stuck roaming the world as a ghost if your Vietnamese burial doesn't go right

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>>140434529
>being this lazy

>>140437363
Quote the part that was proven true. Seems like you're just grasping at straws, and I'm sure any raghead could say the quran is proven by some vague happening too but I'm curious.

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>>140437454
>Some people are retards

As you keep amply demonstrating. I meant you calling your GOD a retard, retard.

>>140437392
why dont you start doing the things you know you need to do, and ask those question to God

>>140437498
There's one God, just accept the facts
>>140437671
Okay let me find it for you
>>140437718
I didn't call God a retard...

>>140437200
how are you saved in islam?

>>140434539
Then you were never a real atheist. You were always looking for something to worship.

>>140432781
If I really did fear that then I would be a theist.

>>140437865
What?

>>140437770
I'm doing that. I don't think God cares about my praise. I still exist after all.

>>140437085
>there are laws that need to be followed

Apparently omnipotence ain't all it's cracked up to be.

>>140432781
Hahahahahahahaha fag

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>>140437085
>omnipotent being
>must follow laws

>>140437853
>I didn't call God a retard...

But you are. And you were created in his image. Extrapolate.

>>140437435
OP's position is not logical. Belief isn't something you get to choose, either you believe or you don't.
If you change your stance because the outcome of not believing is worse, you are allowing fear to influence your decision. That doesn't save you from Hell since you are just pretending.

>>140433560

/thread.

>>140435488
>forming life decisions on rhetoric you found funny/quotable
>never giving it another thought because you singularly mastered the question of faith.
>also having this basic of a concept of theology

>>140437940
i mean what islams do to get to their heaven?

>>140437951
the only thing you need to do is save your soul, if you think you are better than God and are unable to worship him, burn in hell

>>140434684
I'm not an atheist. I'm a devout Christian. I should have made that more clear.

If it gives you comfort to believe in a good and you don't harm others for it then that's fine, but I've never found a reason to think there actually is a god

>>140438164
Reality is bound by laws. God is reality.

>>140437671
Legiticus 26

But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant
ce against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.
And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of mycovenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.
And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.
And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.
And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

All this is happening in Europe now

>>140438355
I don't think I'm better than Him. You otoh are interpreting/assuming to know his Will.

>>140438170
Show me when I did

>>140432781
If the christian god is in fact real and demands to be worshipped than that god is a piece of shit and a tyrant.
I welcome judgement and rather burn for eternity than be a sheep in a cruel dictators flock

>>140437853
It's spelt G-d stupid sinner.

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>>140432781
>he thinks he heaven is the final realm of existence
There is only one escape from Samsara. The Buddha taught us that even Gods will die eventually. Go to your 'heaven', you won't escape your suffering.

Only the path to enlightenment can free you from Samsara

Fuck off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcw1YEtTQCw

I can't believe even if I want to and try to. Still, I try to be the best I can be.

What kind of God creates a being like me? If he exists as Christianity describes him he is not worth my devotion. He may be all-powerful but if he is he is the very definition of cruel. Send me to hell, you bastard. I won't worship you out of fear of what happens after death, like many of your followers do. According to your rules most will join me down there anyhow.

>>140438164
i don't know so much about the metaphysical side, but there are laws

but if you don't even pass the physical easy step in this life, why do you care about anything else?

>>140438525
he literally came down to earth to tell you what you need to do, and people still dont do it

>>140433560
>A 2006 Purdue study found that the fundamental Christians are by far the heaviest of all religious groups led by the Baptists with a 30% obesity rate compared with Jews at 1%, Buddhists and Hindus at 0.7%.

>Similarly, a 2011 Northwestern University study tracking 3,433 men and women for 18 years found that young adults who attend church or a bible study once a week are 50% more likely to be obese.

>Finally, a 2001 Pulpit and Pew study of 2,500 clergy found that 76% were overweight or obese compare to 61% of the general population at the time of the study.

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>>140438219
That's fair. Belief for the sake of insurance is not real faith. One might argue that the fear that surrounds our day to day lives is a form of hell in and of itself. I myself believe that faith is the only true path to the happiness we all seem to crave.

Also,
I'm a theology student at a bible college, AMA

>>140438769
it's common sense, you have two options, burn in hell or live in heaven forever, it's your choice, dont blame God for it

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>>140438594
I'm not a talmudist, the bible spells it God >>140438581

>>140438921
We'll then they're committing a huge sin, sloth and gluttony are a sin

>>140438802

I'm living my life the way God wants, there's no other way: if that wasn't the case, I wouldn't exist. Existance is necessarily the manifestation of an omnipotent God's will. If people claim otherwise, they're the ones who should worry about hell, because they're falsifying God's will.

It's simple, anon.

>>140432781
Keep beating the horse.

>>140433560
fpbp

Eternity?
Thats the part im not buying
Who the hell would want to live forever?
Even with 72 virgin they would all be pretty much used up before the first million year. What the fuck am I suppose to do after that?
Do it again a million time?
Then what, try my mom for a couple million years?
Then what? Try your mom for another million year?

In fact, it would be the only reason a powerful God would create us with free will is that one of us find a way to kill it and end his agony.

But hey, if its your thing go for it.
Im taking my chance with the fire.

>>140436184
Of course God knows he just doesn't give a shit

>>140438974
He made it a choice, so of course I will blame him. He had the option to not make this world the way it is, he had the option to make sure all people lived good, honest lives and went to heaven, yet he chose not to.

>>140435299
Ra

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>>140439267
Lurk more pls thx

huh

>>140439196
it's pretty simple yeah, you accept you are a sinner, accept that Christ is the only one that can save you from a dommed eternity

if you dont, you arent living as God want, you have time to do it, but how much tho

>>140437222
There is no other way to interpret the Bible than literal.
>control
Isnt that what youre handing over for free to a jew when you attack the foundation of the west - Christianity?
>>140437475
You think self-worship hedonism and materialism will be able to sustain you?

>>140439709

But those are just your words claiming to know something which you clearly don't, anon, as I have a much vivid and irrefutable proof of God's will: I exist.

>>140439921
that's not my word, that's God's word:

25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me will live, even though they die. 26 Everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

you exist cause God want you to be saved, but you want to be saved? he will not interfere with your free will

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>>140439921
You can't prove jack shit, pharisee

What if you dont believe in life after death

>you waste this life, the only time you have, planning for eternity
>it never happens

OR

>you make the best of this life, which you have for sure

>>140440149
But mine is also God's word, isn't it? I mean I'm posting it after all.

>>140440371
your word have no back up with what God said

>>140440355
I'm not trying to prove anything to you. You are the ones trying to prove I should act in a certain, different way.

>>140440149
Pretty dumb/evil move to give man free will when he, as he is all-knowing, knew that most would not believe in him and therefore would not want to be saved (by him).

>>140440512
It does though? I mean, here it is.

>>140440642
Looks like god's a dick

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If God is real, why is there still monkeys?

>>140434038

You "realized" it was true because you want it to be true and your simple mind accepts it.

>>140432781
I am your lord Jesus Christ.
I have a plan to save all of your souls, but I'll need everyone here to donate $10 monthly to my patreon.

>>140434240

>it's quite odd how the right God just happens to be the main religion in the country and regional area you were raised in

BTFO retards

>>140440642
he send prophets, he send his son, he reased a civilisation under his religion and still people dont want to believe and want to keep sining or doing what they want, you have your life to live like you want, or live like God's want

>>140440652
what?

>>140432781
Pascal's Wager has been largely discredited.

>>140441106
>>140439196

>>140439196

Taking a shit every day is not a manifestation of God's omnipotent will.

>>140432781
>Anyone who browses 4chan
>Going to heaven
You guys are in for a rude awekening

>>140441186
you being born is a manifestation of an omnipotent God's will, but you have control over your life, God doesnt control you, that's the thing with free will

>>140441106
If you happened to, by chance, pick up any other religious book, you would have believed that instead and you would think that god is the right one, not the one you believe in now

>>140441506
maybe or maybe not, i have seen how the other religions are fake, even Jesus says jews are fake so you have one less, islam is just a cult for the moon godess, like catholics or orthodox

>>140441327
Think about what you said, anon. It necessarily is.

>>140441456
I'm talking about the true, omnipotent, unlimited God. Not just an accidental bully in a probably infinite series of them.

>>140441697
what?

>>140441768
That I'm necessarily living my life in accordance to the True God's will. And my word is His gospel.

>>140441506
Conversions happen all the time. Furthermore god doesn't punish righteous non believers. If you live a moral life without faith you're spared hellfire.

The high percentage play is to just live a normal decent life. Atheists seem unable to do this for unknown reasons.

>>140441881
if you believe in Christ and follow him you do, if you dont you dont, it's easy as that, if you want to create a fake religion you can do it, doesnt mean it's true tho

>>140432781
If you are wrong about god,
then you wasted your life,
and there is no eternity.

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>If I'm wrong about God then I wasted my life.
This implies that your "righteousness" is extrinsically motivated, i.e., you want a reward. This is how dogs behave: they obey for a treat.

If you really believed in your way of life, you would say that it would be worthwhile even if there were no God. OP's meme is shallow.

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>>140432781
You are wasting your life.

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I want to become a Christian but I noticed that all preachers are boring cucks. I would follow pic related in a heartbeat if I ever saw one.

>>140432781
It's basically a concession that religion destroyed his life...

>>140441106
>he send prophets, he send his son, he reased a civilisation under his religion and still people dont want to believe and want to keep sining or doing what they want, you have your life to live like you want, or live like God's want
Well if he wanted us to live like he wanted us to then maybe he should have done a better job creating us and given us something more to go by than a carpenter born 2000 years ago. You yourself can barely spell. Why did he, in all of his glory, make you dyslexic? The guy's all-powerful, knows everything past, present, and future. Dude fucked up is all I'm saying, or more likely he is a sadist.

>>140442051
You follow a false idol, as any who postulates the divorce of reality from itself.

>>140442073
>>140442107
what do you mean with wasting yourlife?

>>140433785
everyone has faith in something anon

even if you dont think about it, you still have faith in some idea or another

>>140442423
a false idol that creates everything that we believe in, cant be false, false things get destroyed easily, Christianity have been here since the beginning and is still kicking

>>140442595
So are other religions, anon. Your point?

>thousands of religions around the world for thousands of years
>no scientific proof of a deity or so much as a youtube video of God throwing an empty soda can at a duck have ever been found
>my religion is more likely to be true though, because....reasons

>>140442410
maybe he wanted us to discover the truth during our life, and not give it to us just like that spoiling the fun

also if my english is bad it's my own fault

>>140442752
That's not true

>>140442752
what other religions? what other religions did what Christianity did? jews get kicked from every country, islam is hated by everyone, hindus cant even poo in loo, budist got nucked twise by Christians

??

>>140442878
How so?

>>140442961
There's only one religion

>>140442950
Well you said "here from the beginning", and there are religions older than it. And also "still kicking", I mean what about Islam right.

>>140443074
I can count at least two: your and mine.

>>140432781
The only way to not waste your eternity is to be a transhumanist.

>>140432781
So they indulge in all the sins imaginable and waste their life as well

Seems like Christianity is a good thing

>>140442831
I think everyone would be happy knowing the meaning of life since the moment they were created. He is definitely spoiling our fun by sending most of us to hell to burn for eternity.

>>140443186
No, there's only one you can call cults a religion but that's like calling a man who cut off his penis a woman

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>>140432781
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>140443136
you have to see what they do, islams says their fundation is abrahamic, but they dont follow anything that God says in the OT, they throw their own religion out

>>140443280
it would be boring af, you don't want that, misteries is what maintain us alive

>>140433778
The one who made you

>>140442806
And yet belief in the divine comes naturally to humans. Even Athiests have a god they just call him by another name.

>>140443404
We'll just have to agree to disagree I guess then.

>>140443446
Ok but that doesn't refute what I said about older origin or factual existance.

>>140442595
The beginning of what ?
The world is actually a bit bigger than the stuff happend in the bible and the middle east.

>>140437879
We're all looking for something to worship. For example, I worship God and you worship cum and science.

>>140432781
it was more funny when kyle said this about jews being wrong about Christianity to his mom

>>140433785
You should listen to the anons replying to you. You have faith in something, no matter what. Atheists just have faith in the idea that there is no higher authority and life is meaningless. It's not a provable hypothesis. It's not even a "most likely" hypothesis. It's a matter of faith.

>>140432781
How do you know yours is the right religion?

Also Christianity is not white religion. Its a kike lie used to bury real white religion

>>140443628
i really dont know what other religions are as strong, beside abrahamic

>>140443446
>it would be boring af, you don't want that, misteries is what maintain us alive
God created us and thus made us think that perfection and knowledge of everything is boring. If he wanted to he could have made us all live in bliss and made us all be perfectly happy with it for eternity.

>>140443801
>kikes created a religion that calls its cult the synagogue of Satan
Yeah nah, atheists are the Kikea dogs they created Bolshevism

>>140434112

Exactly. Pascal's wager applies to the other religions, the Christians don't even think logically enough to realize this. The atheist at least realizes he only realisitically has one life in the this world and tries to make the most of it.

The Christian will be an asshole and say "well God will forgive me later" and if they're wrong and this is no God, they just lived life as an asshole.

>>140434112
>Wasted your life by living a noble and decent existence dedicated to being the best possible version of yourself
I don't get it

>>140442148
Look up Steven Anderson

>>140443837
"Strong" is such a relative thing fren. Most Christians nowadays are not sincere about their belief. Followers of Islam seem alot more, uhm, compromised with their doctrine.

>>140432781
Valhalla sure looks temptative but i don't want to die in a stupid war.

Even if God is fake Christianity still has good morals and churches are a great way to make friends for life and give community service to others.

>>140444022
and that's why the things happening in the world are happening, it's not just a coincidence or bad luck

>>140443955
>tries to make the most of it.


>Most likely demographic to have a mental illness and commit suicide

I was atheist for 6 years anon, and it was the most miserable time of my life.

>>140444127
That's the thing: maybe we should stop wanting different. At least, not from the perspective of God's Will.

>>140443955
>lived life according to a moral code is living like an asshole

Without external morality you're lost. Adopting Christian morality as the default and then shitting on Christians doesn't mean you lived some higher life. In fact it's way more likely you lived a sad empty life.

>>140444241
what?

Theres no 100% evidence of gods existence and theres equally no 100% evidence he doesnt exist

Both hardcore Atheists and hardcore religious people are equally as delusional because they defend a position they have no evidence of and yet claim it's the absolute truth. The most honest position to take on religion is to be a fencesitter

>>140444099
If you need religion to teach you wrong from right you are subhuman. It's a great way to make stupid but mostly nice friends, though.

>>140443611
>belief in the divine comes naturally to humans

Which should have given you a pretty big clue that religions are fake.

>Even Athiests have a god they just call him by another name.

No. Atheism is a lack of a belief system at all.

>>140444385
>but muh positive belief

Take this stupid bullshit to >>>/x/

>>140444325
True belief in God implies acceptance: wanting anything is diabolic, because you're trying to override God's Will with your own.

>>140443474

So my dad is god?

>>140444389
>t. makes up his ethics as he goes

Filthy utilitarians need to die desu

>>140444389
Most people are subhuman which is exactly why religion is needed. Things definitely won't get better if religion dies and nothing replaces it.

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>>140432781
One of the biggest problems I have with christians arises from how they like to think of their god as a person.That creates so many unnecesary problems, like why God cares about some people and not others. Once you stop thinking a man with a white beard is literally watching you masturbate from the sky, that problem disappears.

>>140444472
>Atheism is the lack of any belief system

So how do they explain the unexplainable?

>>140435299
Izanagi

Atheists don't get eternity
Hell doesn't exist, non saved people just get their souls destroyed after Sheol

>>140432781

Keep one thing in mind christcucks. 90% of jews are atheists. And you believe in their "god". Guess who gets to inherit the earth long after you're dead.

Hint: it ain't Christians.

>>140444552
the thing is people need to go back to Christ or things are going to get worst

at least if you cant prevent everything going to shit, save your own soul

>>140432781
Exactly this, one of the most enlightening theories I've read was Pascal's Wager.
>Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas they stand to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell).
I am agnostic, but I am willing to hedge my bets on that either God exists or no gods exist. If the former, I chose correctly. If the later, my choice wouldn't matter and I would've only lost very little. Most religions are a definite you have to renounce all false gods and believe in their god, so there is no benefit to staying neutral.

>>140432781
I feel abandoned.

>>140444385
A 100% hardcore atheist is 1% wrong, for failing to acknowledge that Godzilla technically could have created Earth and we wouldn't know because we weren't there. They are also 99% right for rejecting all religions an the basis that there is no proof for any of them.

A 100% hardcore theist on the other hand is 99% wrong and 1% right.

>>140444775
>Jesus calls jews son of satan
>coincidence
you are just proving Christ point

>>140444794
Ok, but that is still wanting something, anon.

Just accept and celebrate God's creation as it is, for better and for worse: in fact, there's no good outside it. It is what true believers do and should do.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. Peace.

>>140444821
Basically
>you better believe in god just in case it comes back after death and bites ya in the ass.
Thats not real fate and does not translates to anything but fear.

>>140444614
There are no such thing as right and wrong, therefor one's moral code must constantly be updated in order to adapt to new insights and the changing world, yes.

It's the difference between people telling you what's right and what's not, and you figuring it out for yourself.

>>140444821
That's not real faith and it lands you a nice and warm spot in hell, reserved just for you.

But what if I am a man living somewhere in the bush bush, never made contact with the outside world, never heard of God. Will I burn in hell?

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>>140432781

If god exists, he wouldn't damn people to eternal suffering simply for not believing in him. He would judge you on your actions, not on why you do them, so just live a moral life. Morality isn't complicated either, basically just do unto others you'd have them do unto you, and try to be the best version of you that you can be.

>>140445326
Nah you'd get to chill outside heaven and play frolf with all the others until the rapture. Then you'd be given the choice.

>>140445347
>atheists
>Da Science club! yay science!
fuck off

>>140444821
Bad argument for Christianity because it's based on pure cowardice and fear. It's Stockholm Syndrome of the spirit.

im hurting over here, where is Gods help

>>140444701
>So how do they explain the unexplainable?

We have some damn humility and admit that we don't (yet,) know all the answers. We admit we can't explain it yet. And we don't assume things we have absolutely no evidence for.

If something is unexplained, and you literally just make some shit up to explain it, then it's still unexplained.

>>140445513

>you're either a richard dawkins god is a lie atheist or praise jesus hallelujah christcuck there are literally no other possible beliefs a person can hold

>>140432781
who's really going to hell if your behavior is determined by what rewards you're getting?

just gotta get a perfect gold star every day to get a prize from the cabnet you good goy you?

I want you to look in the mirror before you go to bed, i want you to get up close and look that fucking guy in the eyes.

that's your judge, op. Talk to him. See if there's anything you need to clear up, any regrets, anything you need to make right.

you think life is about rewards? really? who the fuck are you kidding?

>>140436820

Is he the one called god with a capital g?

>>140440541
You should. Life is objectively better for everyone, including yourself, when you do. The western Christian era was everything before degenerates abandoned they're ever-so-effective faith.

>>140445188
>>140445588
Fear is what keeps us alive, fear is what keeps us healthy. One who has no fear has no life, for they are the ones you see walking across busy highways and putting their heads in the jaws of alligators. The only time it is harmful is when it is irrational.
You lose very little for believing in God, just as you lose very little by avoiding pointless danger.

>>140445309
Nowhere in Pascal's Wager does it say to fake belief. In fact, it argues the opposite.
>and seek to believe in God
>seek
>verb
>:attempt to find (something).
>attempt or desire to obtain or achieve (something).
He encourages those who do not believe in God, but are rational, to attempt to find belief in God.

>>140443785
>this is how retarded christniggers actually are
No wonder christcucks dominated exclusively the most degenerate, least productive years of mankind.

>>140445347
>Morality isn't complicated either, basically just do unto others you'd have them do unto you,
you are mroe than a fool who forsoke God, but one who considered yourself to be his equal despite the belief that he doesn't exist. How would letting people beileve in the golden rule help create civilzation?

>>140445691
that is gods help, now whip yourself as proof of your thanks to him

i need Gods help

>>140445278
>There are no such thing as right and wrong

Kant would call you a subhuman and call for you to be physically removed from society.

To you, what's right is what's good for you, and what's wrong is what's bad for you. The consequences of your actions only matter if they negatively affect you. Since you don't believe in right and wrong, how else do you determine what to do?

>>140445992
this life is about strife and work
next life is reward, if you did the right things

>>140445751
Amusing since my experience with athiests is that they're anything but humble. In fact they have faith in a great number of things that they cannot personally explain. An explanation might even exist but if they cannot personally understand the explanation they might just have to take it on faith.

It's a totally disingenuous position. Faith in something is required.

>>140432781
I don't really understand this argument. It's acknowledging that the only amount of faith you have in your own religion is that you're afraid you'd be wrong if you weren't a part of it. That's no way to live your life.

>>140446403
>next life is reward, if you did the right things
or maybe people who are better than you have to lie to your materialistic and stupid ass so you don't fuck up their property.

>>140446106
Your missing my point anon.
Beliving in something because its "safe" isnt real faith. You seriously dont understand this basic statement ?
If i were to choose to go the right way and have faith and all that jazz it would be purely out of fear. And thats not real. God is all powerful so he should be able to spot a faker like me no ?

>>140444294
Christian morality is a farce that gave way to what we have now, which is hardly moral at all. Besides, all sin is forgiven for believers.

is he real

>>140446674
materialistic?? you are the one talking about material things in this world

>>140446852
blame the atheist and socialist heathens, USA was Christian in the best years

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>>140444720
Geat taste.

>>140446106
Fear is a mind killer, there is nothing wrong in feeling fear but overcoming it is a greater priority than succumbing to it. Christianity is conceptualized to free you of fear from authority, superstition, group pressure, pain and death. Pascal Wager is anti-christian because it's born out of these types of fear.

whats the point

>>140446952
>gotta do a good job picking potatos for the lord and wallowing in shit and dirt so i can get into heaven! I'm a good boy!

>>140447282
but im the materialistic right

>>140447282
>gotta do a good for shlomo so I can make enough money to buy weed and porn

if we actually feared this, we'd believe in god. instead we laugh at you weaklings who need some sort of afterlife to justify their meaningless toil through life.

>>140447420
>buying weed or porn
>doing anything with weed but selling it

>>140433560
>the virgin atheist
>the chad Christian

Make it happen people.

i just want him to end it all

>>140447840
man being an atheist sucks, you think you are going to die and disappear, rest for eternity, and then you find out you were wrong and burn in hell all eternity, it must suck

>>140446691
The fear does not directly translate to belief, the fear inspires and motivates you to find belief. If you keep at it, there will be a point where it is no longer fear that pushes you forward. It may take longer than normal, but that is merely a trial.

>>140447208
Pascal's Wager is intrinsically anti-christian because it is appealing to those who are not christian. While it may seem heretical to those that are naturally susceptible to religion, those of us it is speaking to aren't and won't be influenced by the normal methods of becoming religious.

The journey is different but the destination is the same.

>>140446395
>To you, what's right is what's good for you, and what's wrong is what's bad for you. The consequences of your actions only matter if they negatively affect you.

Wrong. There you go again, assuming things about the people and the world around you.

I am a million times more righteous and moral and good than you, BECAUSE I know there is no right and wrong. I know this, and yet I still choose to act charitable and good and virtuous. Why? Because that's what I THINK is right, and because I CHOOSE to do what I THINK is right. Not because it feels good. Not because someone lied to me and told me I'd go to Hell if I acted a certain way. But because that's just how I am.

Because guess what? >>140446544 Faith ISN'T required.

I don't know why the hell you people think I need an excuse or a reason to act kindly, but you're wrong.

>>140435488
The wages of sin is death, anon. Whatever it is you think would be "banned in heaven" won't be worth it in a few years. Whether it's sex with whores, drugs, whatever, it all has a cost equal to the benefit. You think you're enjoying it, you're going nowhere.
Big mistake thinking the rules in the Bible are arbitrary or designed to control you. You think it's that easy to create a religion that takes over most of mankind?

>>140448311
I can't imagine the levels of autism it takes to actually think there is a heaven and hell. the moral high ground you must feel off of condemning sinners to eternal hell must be a great feeling though. it's kind of reminds me of SJW's thoughtlessly labeling people as nazis since they are too dumb to comprehend things.

>>140432781
JDIMSA

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>>140432781

cool now I just need to guess the right religion to be at random

>>140448311

better than living in fear that you're going to burn in hell for eternity because you might have sinned in some minute manner or been born into the wrong religion at random and then nothing happens lmao

>>140448596
the thing is you can be saved by Christ if you want, but some people wont do it, knowing it's all their eternity

dumb

>>140447899
>smoking weed is morally wrong
>oh but selling it to other people is mighty fine

You are 12 aren't you

>>140432781
Congrats. You just discovered what is called "Pascal's Wager". Now look it up and find out why it's retarded.

>>140448730
>better than living in fear that you're going to burn in hell for eternity because you might have sinned in some minute manner or been born into the wrong religion at random and then nothing happens lmao
on the contrary, im living free knowing im saved forever by God's grace. that's why catholics are scared

>>140448765
if your christ was half as tolerant and all-knowing as you claim, he would understand why people would doubt him and wouldn't feel the need to condemn people to an eternity of torture/hell. god sounds like a totalitarian faggot to me.

>>140446145
You think that the Christian year's were the darkest? Lol, you have no idea how deep the depths of mankind actually go. You're like a little child. I can't even be upset at your profound ignorance.

>>140438921
Science prooves Christianity inferior once again!

>>140448413
>I am a million times more righteous and moral and good than you, BECAUSE I know there is no right and wrong.


> Because that's what I THINK is right, and because I CHOOSE to do what I THINK is right

>there is no such thing as right and wrong

>I do things because I know think they are right.


And why do you think certain things are right? What is your basis for thinking that something is right? Like I already said, for you and your ilk it comes down to convenience ie what's good for you is right, what's bad for you is wrong. What else can you possibly believe?

>Not because it feels good.

kek. You have no reason to do anything that isn't in your own self interest then. Ultimately when you do things for others you do it for yourself.

>>140448347
It's not heretical to have difficulties believing, even Thomas had to touch Jesus' wounds to believe. It's first and foremost credere (which means trust, not belief, a mistranslation from greek). Trust in the rules, practices and traditions is more important than a misleading pseudorational wager. Better stay home if Christianity is nothing but a lesser evil.

>>140449001
>god sounds like a totalitarian faggot to me.


>T. I HATE YOU DAD DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO


> he would understand why people would doubt him and wouldn't feel the need to condemn people to an eternity of torture/hell.

You've heard the gospel, if you still doubt then you've condemned yourself.

>>140449719
actually my father's dad was a strict Catholic and made him go to Catholic schools growing up and despite this, my dad is an atheist who sees straight through the thinly-veiled lies that you retards believe and I admire the fact that he never told me a damn thing about religion and let me make my mind up on my own through logic and reasoning. enjoy your delusions. I really wish I could believe in fairy tales and never ever lands like you, but reality is just there. You can obfuscate with religion if you want. it doesn't really matter to me. we'll both be six feet under in the long run. enjoy getting off on your moral high ground while we're both alive though. I'd rather not waste my life with such grandiose delusions though.

>>140449297
>for you and your ilk it comes down to convenience ie what's good for you is right, what's bad for you is wrong.

I already told you you're wrong for believing that. I'm not explaining it twice.

You are a sociopath who, if you did not believe in a religion, would evidently not act nicely to anyone in anyway unless you gained something from it. I'm not like that. Good-bye.

>>140450285
ya, it's pretty ironic how most christians are so anti-Christ and don't live by or even comprehend the Golden Rule of life. If you need religion to guide your moral compass, you're basically no better than some insectoid gook who skins dogs alive.

>>140435299
Kek obviously

>>140438170
This insult is illogical. It boils down to the following.

OP is retarded
OP, a person, is created in God's image.
God is retarded

This follows the structure below.

A is B
A is C
--------
C is B

This constructs a formal invalid argument as there is no middle term binding the C and B together.

If a world-creating deity exists, they almost certainly had no hand in creating or guiding humans.

The universe is beautiful. Humans are a mess.

>>140450104
>let me make my mind up on my own through logic and reasoning.
Have you ever read ONE book about apologetics? You realize that for 2000 years philosophers both christian and muslim have thought the same thoughts you and every atheist in existence has thought, and they've come up with a counter argument to almost all of it.

>getting off on your moral high ground while we're both alive though. I'd rather not waste my life with such grandiose delusions though.

Pontificate more faggot

>>140450285
>Skips the entire first part of my post

>>140446214

where did I say that the golden rule alone would create civilization? obviously you need ambitious and smart people as well, but the golden rule is a good basis on how to treat others. having respect for others and for yourself is one of the things that seperates most whites from most africans who will steal from and kill eachother at the drop of a hat.

>>140451413
>what is original sin

>what is free will

>>140451440
>they've come up with a counter argument to almost all of it.


KEK, my sides

Well learned and logical people typically don't believe in God.. not because they 'hate' god or have any ill will toward Christianity in the 21st century.. they believe in empirical evidence.. I would think, that when they die.. God would know that person had good intentions. Send them to purgatory for a chance to get into Heaven.. Honestly, you cannot blame people for not believing in a God without absolute concrete proof. The Bible isn't proof.. Saying Jesus existed isn't proof.

>>140451619
That's not an argument

>>140451701
but saying they have all the counters definitely is. are you trolling?

>>140451660
>they believe in empirical evidence
How do you believe in evolution

How do you believe in the big bang

How do you believe in thoughts

How do you believe in consciousness

>>140451619
You cannot prove God exists, and you cannot prove he doesn't exist.. This is where philosophy as gotten us, and honestly, thats fine. Avicenna, St. Augustine, Aquinas, all brilliant men.. yet they have yet to come up with a proof to give credence to the existence of a higher power.

>>140432781
No I don't. I'd rather be in hell with the the rebels than in heaven ruled by a kike.

>>140451821
niggerr im not St Thomas Aquinas or Soren Kierkegaard. Do you think I have the intellect or the time to write a dissertation to some anime watching pot smoking porn addicted weeb on a cambodian basket weaving forum?

>>140434038
How far did you have to get before you started believing it? I'm at the part where Noah cursed Canaan because Ham saw his dick while he was drunk and I still don't get it.

>>140451881
Consciousness and thoughts are REAL because I think, therefore I am.. That was something KANT got right.. I don't know if you exist, or the world exists, but I know my thoughts exist. But because I feel ground under my feet, and feel the wind, I take the most logical next step to say a world outside my mind exists.

>>140451881
see the problem with this is science has no issues with trashing bad beliefs/bad science. religion protects bad beliefs, science disproves them.

>>140432781

Wait this is backwards... Eternity and Life should be switched lol This is pro-religion

>>140433560
nice post

>>140434038

If you actually read the Bible you'd understand it on a deeper meaning that what's on the cover.

>>140451585
the golden rule is opposed directly to western civilization and supports the nigger hordes who beileve than they should spend all day raiding each other for food

>>140450622
Nigger you're living in a Christian paradigm and you don't even know it. Like wtf nigga just wake up and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior already. You're already following all the rules.

>>140451881
strict empiricists lack the ability to have a meaningful life. note that i say strict. i like kants attempt to bridge empiricism and rationalism.

>>140432781
LMAO eternity/permanence literally doesn't exist anywhere in the universe.. it's actually very freeing when u come to this realization

>>140432781
Are you underage? That shit is baby first religious "argument"
That will only make sense if there was 1 religion and 1 God, but they are literally millions of them.
Believing in God not because you sincerely have faith, but only because of some wager or fear of hell will get you in hell anyway
If God will send good man to hell just because he didn't believe in him, but will save evil rapist, murderer, thief just because he is christian and felt sorry (like Jesus forgave some thief during crucifixion) then that God is a tyrant and literally worse than Hitler from any morale standpoint

>>140452200
I actually think Christians are generally good people.. The fall of religion, specifically western christian cultural values.. is the reason society is going to shit and why you get SJWs, because they want to deconstruct the world.. I say christianity falling out of style is a bad thing... and I'm an atheist.. We need a way to hold on to the cultural positives that western christian culture gave us.. without have the belief in a good necessary.. although.. maybe both go hand in hand.

>>140432781
This argument proves Christcucks are capitulating cuckolds. They never once try to argue the morality of the idea of an all powerful invisible dictator. They think if one exists, you should bow down no matter the terms. Fuck that, heaven sounds terrible.
You have to give up your friends, family, wife, and children over God. If you don't do that, you're not worthy of heaven. Sounds like it'll be full of cunts.

>>140452125
> I think, therefore I am.
It was Descartes, not Kant

>>140452136
Science cannot explain religion and vice versa. The Bible is not a scientific textbook.

>>140452268
You do know... that the Gospels were not written by the people who they are named after? They were written by men a couple hundred years after Jesus died.. Its the same with most of the books in the bible.. They were authored by largely unknown people after the fact.

>>140433560
>game of thrones on Netflix
why can't i live in this timeline

>>140452357
this. the mark twain quote which goes something to the effect "I've been dead for billions and billions of years and suffered not the slightest inconvenience from it" is probably too real for most of the Christcucks on here. I would wager that once we die we go back to the state of nothingness we were in before we were ever born and that shit scares people too much so they need to believe in eternal life instead.

>>140432781
i cant really miss what i cant perceive now can I?

by wasting my eternity does that mean i just die, or what?

it works the other way as well the christcuck wasted his life but it doesnt matter because they cant perceive anything either

either way i dont give a fuck, enjoy your eternity being bored out of your mind, im already sick of this shit and its only just begun

what is it with living forever?

>>140452125
just because our thoughts are real does not mean they accurately perceive the physical world if it even exists.

>>140452776
I never said it did

A further reality is that all the Gospels were written anonymously, and none of the writers claims to be an eyewitness. Names are attached to the titles of the Gospels ("the Gospel according to Matthew"), but these titles are later additions to the Gospels, provided by editors and scribes to inform readers who the editors thought were the authorities behind the different versions. That the titles are not original to the Gospels themselves should be clear upon some simple reflection. Whoever wrote Matthew did not call it "The Gospel according to Matthew." The persons who gave it that title are telling you who, in their opinion, wrote it. Authors never title their books "according to."

>>140434038
How the fuck do you read that shit and go "Oh yeah this makes sense I guess I follow the truth now"

>>140452806
well you came to the conclusion that the world outside of consciousness exists because of your physical senses, so you kinda did.

>>140452959
To make life easier and more livable.. I take that next step for myself.. but its true that we cannot know FOR SURE.. if everyone went around thinking the world didn't exist.. what would be the point anyway? You cant KNOW the sun will rise tomorrow, but you expect it to anyways.. Check David Hume's talk on the sun.

>>140452279

>>140452279

the golden rule is to try to treat others as you would have them treat you. are you a refugee who wants gibs form white countries? are you a member of the nigger hordes who wants to rape and murder whitey? the golden rule doesn't mean that you should bend over and let niggers rape your anus it just means to treat people with respect when possible. obviously if someone shows disrespect and contempt towards you you aren't obligated to respect and care about them back.

>>140452628
>what is it with living forever?

People are continually drawn to the idea they can have infinite time, so that they can do all the things.... When in reality, they have time right now in the present, and are already choosing not to do all the things, therefor living a long time will not help them.

It's just a security thing mostly. It makes you feel secure and not on a time limit. I find it to be more effective you admit your limitations, however. Otherwise you tend to end up being ungrateful and not appreciating things like you should.

our belief that the sun will rise tomorrow. Clearly, this is a matter of fact; it rests on our conviction that each sunrise is an effect caused by the rotation of the earth. But our belief in that causal relation is based on past observations, and our confidence that it will continue tomorrow cannot be justified by reference to the past. So we have no rational basis for believing that the sun will rise tomorrow. Yet we do believe it!

>>140453161
ya, this is a big flaw in religion. instead of doing things to better yourself in the here and now, you do things to better your chances of some eternal afterlife that logically probably doesn't exist. you're a slave to a god and you don't even realize it. religion is just a tool to conquer masses of idiots without needing to shed blood.

>>140453116
i know it seems blackpill and i took that same stance as well, but what difference does it make? read giovanni gentile. preserving the collective consciousness is the best option for our reality. the definition of "real" is also confined to our knowledge of reality. also its more of a gradient; just because you dont believe we are living in a "real" physical world does not mean it doesnt exist. it could be anywhere between slightly different from how we perceive it to non-existant. the purpose of the philosophy is to turn that inevitable doubt into something constructive.

>>140432781

Kid fucking pedos run the world and his talking about god.