Is water a human right /pol/?

You don't have a right to the labor of others. Water infrastructure isn't free, people have to be paid to maintain it.
(If you're getting yours out of a well, or something, then it's your labor maintaining it.)

I wouldn't privatize it, though. Utilities don't compete in the market like soda vs pepsi.
eg. In my country we can "choose" our electricity provider but all of them charge us magnitudes more than what the power costs them.

Nothing is a right.

The only right is the right to make money without something trying to take it from you.

Money is a measure of your contribution to society.

No contribution = no money

Why does some loser have the right to steal from someone's stream that they worked hard to pay for?

>>140372426
What about inherited money?

>>140371842
Why people like Nestlé chairmen, after what they did, are not shot like animals by leftists, those people that love to pretend to care about third world's kids, is beyond me.

In the sense that wherever I am, a government official should be there with a pitcher of ice water? No.

In the sense that no rich fuck can buy all water reserves and charge me 100€/l for it? Yes.

>>140372426
A few things are. Here we have a guarantee to be able to vote. To expect the gummint to protect us and our property. Of course the gummint does it's best to fuck it up constantly.

>>140371842
Stop making this fucking thread

>>140372885
No one is telling them to be upset about it. They don't really have any principles or a sense of justice.

Human rights are a misused term. Not everything is a human right. But if your government doesn't provide you water your government fucking sucks.
But if he meant that in the sense bodies of water could be bought by private individuals or organizations, no, that's not allowed, and shouldn't be allowed, and goes against 2500 years of legal tradition Europe is built upon.

>>140371842
I damn know that it's not up to this faggot to decide on it.

Food is not a human right.
Are people starving?

>>140371842
Only kikes and niggers (agents of kikedom) think everything should be (((free))).

>>140371842
Uhh... Yes it is?

Holy shit nu/pol/ is full of goybertarian's.

*galactic brain*

rights aren't real, only the power to create and enforce them is real. so if Ethiopia, for example, is unable to procure its own water supply, its inhabitants are not entitled to anyone else's water

Yes.

>>140373672
No, concept of human rights should be reserved for the most important things, like life, freedom and so on.
Saying that water is a human right would mean a government that can't provide water to some remote region is a human rights abuser. Some dude living in a bumfuck mountain village could sue his government for it. That's just silly.

>>140373062
Voting is a detriment to your livelihood.

You know what people vote for?
They vote to take YOUR money away.

I agree government fucks up all the time, that's why we have guns.

People also vote to take your gun away

>>140373529
No. They buy shit processed food that give them cancers instead.

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>>140371842
There is no such thing as a human right.

>>140371842
Lol just drink from a public water fountain

>>140371842
The creature is a Jew.
Need I say more?

>this thread again
Please stop giving this attentionwhore replies
Ignore and sage this bait thread

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>>140372533
>“Only the man who does not need it, is fit to inherit wealth–the man who would make his own fortune no matter where he started. If an heir is equal to his money, it serves him; if not, it destroys him. But you look on and you cry that money corrupted him. Did it? Or did he corrupt his money? Do not envy a worthless heir; his wealth is not yours and you would have done no better with it. Do not think that it should have been distributed among you; loading the world with fifty parasites instead of one, would not bring back the dead virtue which was the fortune. Money is a living power that dies without its root. Money will not serve the mind that cannot match it. Is this the reason why you call it evil?
t. Ayndy Randy

>>140371842
Water is literally free. The only people who are thirsty are dumb niggers in Africa who are to lazy to settle near water. Also a place where they could grow their own crops.

>>140371842
>ITS A HUMAN RIGHT THAT SOMEONE FIND, PURIFY, PACKAGE AND DELIVER WATER TO ME

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>>140371842
Is air a human right?

Excess water, beyond the required levels to live, is not a right.

Is sex a human right? Is air a human right? We allow children to breath air. You don't want to open the rights can of worms. It ruins everything.

Human rights are a social construct

>>140371842
>Is water a human right /pol/?
Nah.
But it can't be privatized either, really.
You sell a guy a lake and it dries up.
What do?
Sue the evaporation process?

>>140371842
The only "human rights" are things you can do yourself without using the labor of others. Basically just breathing, sleeping, and fucking.

>>140371842
Rights are a myth. You're entitled to the air you're involuntarily breathing and that's about it.

>>140371842
Yes. You should absolutely have the right to water. If you want to collect lake, pond, or river water on public land, you should be free to do so.
You DON'T have the right to clean and filtered water pumped into your home for free though.

>>140379897
See >>140379483

>>140372212
Water infrastructure isn't free that's true, but water itself is a natural resource. Having water available is part of the social contract in living in a functioning state

>>140380175
This too, these people want to "privatize" water but make it illegal to collect rainwater

>>140379365
Reducto ad absurdum, but I'll bat for it anyway.

Scarcity is the foundation of any economy, the value of an item is determined by its scarcity and how easy it is to procure. Within our environment, breathable air is not scarce enough to commoditize, nor is it feasible to limit peoples ability to consume it.

However, if you were on, say, a space station, where air was not only scarce, but labor and energy were required to produce it, an air usage fee would not be out of the question.

>>140380844
Earth is 75% water, where is the scarcity?

>>140371842
Here are the only human rights as far as Im concerned: Life, Liberty PURSUIT of Happiness.
No kill, no steb, everything else is up to you to go out and obtain for yourself. I hate the fucking idea that shit like healthcare is a "human right"; you should have the right to access it, but you don't get anything for free. Lazy fucking niggers are the only ones who think that way.

>>140371842
>>water should be privatized
>Privatizing a chemical compound
Nigger what? Say what you mean

>>140380565
>Social contract
Kek, you actually believe that?

>>140371842
The statement doesn't make an ounce of sense, so I'm guessing some commie didn't understand what he was talking about and took shit out of context.

>>140372533
You have the right to pass your livelihood along to your children when you die.

>>140371842
uhh, isn't it already privatized? at least in large part?

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>>140381093
>Earth is 75% water, where is the scarcity?

It's implied to only cover potable water.

The strange thing is that water rights are a very old privatized commodity. I own water rights, fishing rights and well rights on my property in socialist Sweden.

So what Megacorp One Chairman is talking about here is rather that there shouldn't exist a base service that provides water which is part of basic government function, that all water resources should be private and thus leave it open to monopolization, which is what Megacorp One (Nestlé) thrives on.

They don't want tap water as competition. Absurdly enough he states this even though bottled water is growing to rival soda sales. Again, if you don't get that he's talking about the ability to completely own and control all drinking water you're retarded.

There are about 10 companies that own nearly all food you buy at your supermarket. Good fucking luck trying to use consumer choice here. Most people have no idea which Megacorp owns which sub-division brand either.

>>140373062
>To expect the gummint to protect us and our property.
>Here we have a guarantee to be able to vote.
Yes that is true, but is not what they do. In many places government has made septic systems illegal, and force you into the municipal systems. If you try to sink your own well you can be fines, jailed, or have your property taken through foreclosure.
In the area I am living now the water company is a private entity that is partnered with the government, and it sucks. The people in Congress will no doubt give Nestle the rights to waters on public lands, because that is who they represent, much like your local government does the same with local businesses.
The NWO is what we are looking at where every last necessity is meted out to you as the elite see fit. Just look at the UNs Agenda 21, and see how many of your local governments are adhering to it in their new zoning laws. Also being called a conspiracy theroy by the power brokers. Gee what a surprise there.
https://www.jbs.org/action-projects/stop-agenda-21

You have a right to water. Go down to a creek and drink some. You do not have a right to clean, treated water delivered on demand to your house. That is a limited resource that must be produced at a cost.

>>140371842
>big if true
WTF I love Nestle now

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>>140381871
no bra. he was straight up talking about privatizing all water. well water and rain

>>140372212
Australia enforces strict laws on the collection of rainwater. They force you to use the tax system.

That's paying for water, full stop.

Yes, disgusting lake and river water is a human right.

Clean purified and treated water is not.

>>140371842
Whether or not it's a right, if clean water becomes too expensive and free water isn't made available in certain places, then there would be a lot of unnecessary problems developing.

People would start drilling wells with every single residential home, just like how people are installing solar energy panels on their homes in areas where electricity is becoming too expensive. Whether or not people can set up effective water filtration systems in their houses, the problem arises when people realize that the water table is not as universally distributed as sunlight.

Certain properties previously highly valued would devalue overnight, and other properties previously undesirable would become overpriced as people realize where they can have access to the water table. Then, you have the question of whether a local water table can sustain all the residential drilling, and who has more rights to the water (which is a hard enough legal topic as it is).

>>140382825
You're an idiot.

>>140371842
Yes I have a human right to scoop it out of a river and sanitize it myself or pay someone else who did it for me.

>>140383227
Yeah some state in the US south west are the same about rainwater. Colorado being one of them claiming having rain barrels is stealing water from the collective.

>>140383363
Bullshit. When companies began polluting and ruining lakes and rivers it changed the dynamic. Their pollution means water is now a human right. Sorry it just is.

Also I love how it's nestle saying this. Nestle water tastes like ass. The only bottle water that tastes like it should is Aquafina and Dasani. Although I haven't tried the expensive brands like fiji

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>>140371842
No.
There is no such thing as "human rights"
Get rich or get fucked

>>140381598
What do you believe in then? NAP? Divine right of kings? The Führerprinzip? From each according to his ability, to each according to his need? Everything is spooks?

>>140384321
Or wait until collapse and just steal someone else's resources.

>>140372533
Someone worked for that money to pass it onto his progeny. now fuck off

>>140384681
>just steal someone else's resources.
Thats also called getting rich.
You're thinking in circles.
Besides nobody is gonna let you steal anything just like that.

>>140383425
It is illegal in many areas to drill a well.
>Then, you have the question of whether a local water table can sustain all the residential drilling, and who has more rights to the water (which is a hard enough legal topic as it is).
Depends on if your land has full mineral rights. If you do then are the one who holds the right to it. This little fact is how the Natural Gas companies are drilling under peoples land horizontally to access the gas, because they bought the rights to the minerals.
I am fortunate here in Arizona in that I have fully have all water, and mineral rights to my land. But then with the oppressive governing we are moving towards, that may mean nothing soon enough.

>>140371842
It isn't so much a "right" as it is a "requirement". Not that we should pander to the requirements of others, its just that society wouldn't exist without nearly-free water. Without society, wealthy people have no underclass to support their status. Think being on a ranch out in the middle of nowhere means you can live an independent, wealthy life? That works until an angry mob swarms your property for resources, killing you and your family. You need society, so you need to ensure all members thereof are fed and hydrated.

A similar argument can be made for medicine. It isn't that we must ensure everyone has perfect health, its that is becomes hazardous to venture into public areas when the majority who can't afford health care are growing sick with yet unknown diseases.

Clean water is not a right, but please, drink all the untreated water you want, granted it is on public lands and you are a citizen of that country.

>>140379126
I agree with the idea but Ayn is extremely cringey

>>140371842
Does people knows this quote is extracted from a speech?
The point of the speech was: "some community can't afford to pay the infrastructure to provide potable water. In this case, private company can be useful to furnish the initial investment and then be able to distrubute potable water to a good part of the population".

What the point of saying "water is a human right" if you know that a lot of community can't afford it? Isn't just a hypocrite moral posture?

>>140384903
Everybody gets sleepy some time. The FCC might take months to respond to the use of a radio jammer, so kiss goodbye to tactical squad communication. Security will be limited to visible hand signals, ergo easy to spot and snipe. After a collapse, of course, there is no FCC, no police, and countless angry, starving and parched townsfolk wandering the countryside.

>>140384982
Yes, that was my point.

The more I encounter communists IRL, I've come to realize that they are the modern day equivalents of the weakest people in the "tribe". Instead of begging for scraps, the weak would come up with bullshit reasons like "the Gods punishing the greedy" for why the strongest men in the tribe should give them the best pieces of meat from the hunt. In an ideal world, these people should have gone extinct.

Communism is weak people begging for care from the strong by other means.

>>140371842

if that's really true and he said that then NESTLE should be branded ANTI-HUMAN organization and dismantled

>>140371842
It's not a human right to have it delivered to your house, no. But water sources shouldn't be owned by anyone. You should be free to go to any lake you want and drink from it.

>>140372426
What if you make money by promiting immigration to North-America and Europe, is that "right"?

>>140372885
Modern left is more concerned about genociding Europeans today.

>>140385888
trips of truth

>>140371842
Water at it's source is a human right. If you want to walk to a river and take that and drink it then it's all yours my friend

Water after being filtered and piped to your house is not a human right

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>>140371842
TANSTAAFL

>>140372426
>Nothing is a right.

that is where you're wrong! Everything on Earth is a God's given right to HUMAN! I have the right to do as I please (as long as I don't hurt others), I have the right to move around the planet and hunt for my food as I please (as long as I don't hurt anyone else), I have the right to a piece of land that I can live on self-sufficiently and I have the right to live free of IMF traps!!

Your birth certificate is issued by IMF! Why is that? Don't believe me, look it up for yourself, stupid.

>>140373529
food IS a human right, retard! Everyone can go to a PUBLIC land and hunt for their own food, YOU MORON!

>>140371842
Water is a human right. So is healthcare. Rich little piggies like him are to be slaughtered.

>>140386779
Except nobody wants to hunt. They want preloaded debit card so they can go to the nearest shartmart and buy carb loaded snack and easily liquidated products that can be traded for alcohol and cigarettes.

99% of people who argue "muh rights" are people who would die in a week if they were forced to source food for themselves.

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>>140371842
if you've paid for it, yeah, sure
else, fuck off, hippie scum

>>140372426
>>140372426
Imagine being this retarded

>>140386779
I'm gonna hunt on a national reserve, cya nerds!

>>140371842
water would be cheaper and better if privatized. no more shortages.

>>140371842
>finite resource necessary for life
>brainlet thinks it should be free

KYS brainlets

>>140373965

>like life

Guess what's needed to stay alive.

>>140371842
You can have a water recipient above your terrain you own, but otherwise, yeah, it's not yours, you socialist thief.

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You can make fresh tap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQIyYN0ZsSs

>>140371842
>if you are by bodies of water, nobody should stop you from drinking
>not a right for sand-niggers to have whitey bring them water just because they want to live in an area without water

No and by "privatized" he means Fed syndicate bought out and eternally monopolized by fuck pig jews

>>140371842
If water is ever made free, i swear I will run all the faucets on max all day long.

>>140382497
>potable water
Exactly, it's not the water that it privatized but the filtration, bottling and distribution. Water is a human secondary right because without it you die and life is a human right.

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>>140371842
>Waters it not a human right. It should be privatized.

Hooooly fucking Kikery, Fuhrerman!

>>140389516
you will have to give up control of rain and ground water if you want to privatize the filtration, bottling and distribution of water under the assumption that water is both a right and a commodity.

>>140389516
You're stupid. You don't have a right to live forever. You don't have a right to be taken care of.
If you fail to get water for yourself, you'll die. It's nobody's responsibility that you be kept alive but your own. Fucking baby.

>>140380844
If you built the station, sure, you could charge for air under the premise that they agreed to it in the contract to move there, but what if someone managed to build a device that slowly stripped all the oxygen from earths atmosphere, and after a certain time only people who purchased their product could continue to survive.
due to the fact that no one holds right to ambient oxygen, it is OBJECTIVELY not stealing, but is it wrong anyway?

>>140389896
>live forever
you have the right to be alive, not to be taken care of.

is nesle pronounced ne-sell or ness-ell?

>>140390084
Right. As in, nobody can take your life. That doesn't have anything to do with you failing to acquire water for yourself.
It is, of course, your right to be so lazy that you die of thirst.

>>140389896
Nigga if you're gonna be stealing 30% of my paycheck every fucking month I better get affordable water as part of the package

>>140371842
Fuck no! Tax the Air too!! Its gonna be spaceballs if we ration the oxygen!!

Here's a story if water was privatised
>be me, hard working worker
>feel thirsty halfway through work
>you don't have money
>go to bathroom tap
>you must pay $0.50 for 8 drops
>die of thirst

shieet

>>140390473
nigga you stealing my paycheck mufugga. Don't flimflam me nigguh mup dadoo didda

>>140390330
You can sell all the water you want but you cannot block someones ability to acquire water because you would be infringing on their rights.

>>140389896
are you actually retarded
last time we did that we ended up with the free for all nigger shitshow that is now Africa

Sure as soon as Nestle Chairman starts paying me to breath my air
I decided its mine and he has no right to it

>>140390553
dumb fuck

>>140379273

Settle what, you moron?!?! Most of the land is already private for many millennia, just look at the map of the world vs where everyone is stuffed into cities! Quit being an ignorant retard and make statements like that unless you're really sure, that's why we're having a LEFT/RIGHT conflict right now, because of morons like you who have to give their "sound" opinion on the subject!

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>>140382497
>Willy Wonka has to answer to corporate overlords
whoa...

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>>140390553
This seems like a good plan to kill off all the niggers

What about oxygen? Is oxygen a human right?
Fucking jews.

>>140380773

In COLORADO and many other states it is already illegal to collect rain water and you will go to jail if you do so

>>140371842
Water is a human right, it should be privatized.

I also want to own all water and have people crawl beneath my feet.
I don't like seeing that privilege given to someone else though and protected from me by the government.

do any of the basement dwelling faggots in this thread realise that as human beings we must provide for one another in a society to keep our race from going full nigger?

Life isn't just a free for all. Someone being murdered isn't fucking "natural selection", you edgy bastards, it's murder. How is this any different for resources that you need to survive, such as food and water? jesus fuck is this another "egoists disguised as humans" thread? because it's starting to smell like one.

I have enough spare free time as it is, and I'm going to waste it arguing on the internet instead of socialising and being a normal fucking human being? What am I even doing at the computer? I'm going outside.

>>140381093

The earth is not 75% water you retard. Its mostly rock. Its like 1% water.

>>140386779
With tags, in season, with legal gear, at a legal age.

You RETARRRRRRDDDDDDDDLOOOOOL

>>140390707
>comparing literal nigger society to whites
nice try schlomo. It's really not a hard principle to understand.


>>140390673
>You can sell all the water you want but you cannot block someones ability to acquire water because you would be infringing on their rights.

No, you don't have a right to steal, nigger.
I don't care how hungry or thirsty you are.

>>140390473
I will say that it's good if water is cheap. Everybody thinks that's good. And if there's a monopoly on the water, that's bad.

Governments should break up monopolies and break up trusts. -- That way the free market can correctly determine the true value of water.

If it's expensive in that case, it means there isn't enough to go around.

>>140391117
But why must we kill off our own race and peoples for the sake of greed?

>>140381312
>Lazy fucking niggers are the only ones who think that way.

I feel sad for people like you! Gov't if they issue you birth certificates are responsible for you and your well being, so yes, social securities such as healthcare and education become a right in a SOVEREIGN NATION! retard! If I can relinquish my "birth certificate" and no longer be under the umbrella of local gov't then sure.. I'll play by your rules, but when I am forced to obey laws, then yes, you stupid cunt, gov't owes me a residence, food supply, education and healthcare.

>>140371842
>pay for that fluoride that comes from your tap

>>140391477
>steal
Am I stealing your air?
I'm not taking your bottled and filtered water, I am drinking from the same source as you, you can sell all the bottles you want but you can't block access to the lake. How is this hard to understand, you own the bottling plant, not the lake.

>>140391477
Water is a basic human right. It's plentiful and easy to aquire.
If you privatise it, you're just giving companies more and more power over you. Sure, this isn't bad if you're a ceo, but if you're a hardworking Joe, this is a pain in the ass, and an unneeded one.

>>140371842
Pay the Jew now or pay the Jew later.

>>140391371
If you want to be moral and spread morality, do so. I support it.

The thing is, some people deserve to be helped, and some don't. And if you're talking about MY resources, I'm the one who gets to determine who they go to.

Is Life a right?
I mean, if people don't consider food, water and a shelter a basic human right, why should life be a right?
Why should I want to contribute to a society if the society does not even benefit me in the first place?
I could get my food, my water and my shelter by killing someone
I could enter into an house, maybe with a group of people with my same problem, kill him, rape his family and take everything he has
If not even water, if i don't have a right to be fed, why should life be a right?

>>140382497

hehe, experienced that with my little brother just the other week after I showed him how much sugar is in one of his "coke zero" can, after he saw and freaked out he said from now he only drinks bottled water such as Evian :D :D :D (I showed him the chart that you have in your post) Kids today have no idea how the world operates and that freaks me the fuck out, especially with all the access to the internet that they've been growing up with, most of them only know common sites like FB/Plebbit and shit that is peddled by the news such as BBC.com but have no idea how to use google/youtube for diy projects.

>>140371842
Yes he can own the water, but I'll own air and light. I'll own hydrogen. Get fucked.

>>140391950
You simply cannot privatise water in that way. Say you stumble upon a lake. A small community of people on the other side of the lake are processing the water and sharing it amongst each other. You can't simply turn up with some fencing, build it around the lake and go "Mine now." You can process the water to a higher stadard, and sell it to other people on the lake, but you cannot privatise the lake itself. If some nigger drinks from the lake and dies, then lol dead nigger haha

>>140371842

Nestlé Doesn't Think Water Is A Human Right - Bill Burr @ Conan (2015)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_pb6r8VNWk

>>140391963
"Why should I contribute to society and refrain from committing crimes if I don't have a right to claim more than I produce in 'free' resources."

This is why you have to go back.

>>140391911
>It's plentiful and easy to aquire.
If that were true, you wouldn't need to use my lake. It's not a human right. Say it all you want. >>140391908
>Am I stealing your air?
invalid comparison.

Water is localized, air is not.
If one day the only breathable air exists in specialized tanks, then yes you would be stealing my air.

>>140391908
dont feed the troll dumbass

One point that I should make is that not everything should be seen as something to be bought or sold. This is jewish tier thinking.

>>140392591
see my other post

>>140392560
If the lake is on my property, I can fill it with sand so there's no more lake. And I can demand that the people on the other side pay me not to fill it with sand.

>>140371842

Human rights don't exist.

>>140371842
>Is water a human right /pol/?
Inherently there are no rights at all. Although, some things are so essential for us that depriving people of those things will lead to unrest. If you try to sell water to someone thirsty, don't be surprised when he stabs you and drinks your blood.

>>140389896
>people don't have access to food
>hmm, guess ill just sit here and starve to death
this is why extremely poor places never make progress.
no one can start a food store in Ethiopia because all of the product would get stolen immediately.
no one could ranch cattle because they would get slaughtered overnight
any field of crops would get looted when halfway ripe
people don't give up just because it's not legal or moral
we NEED gibmedats to keep the situation from getting worse.
>inb4 recreation nukes or helicopter memes
weapons cannot ensure your survival.

>>140392587
>putting words in someone else mouth

Why should I not kill?
Can you give me a reason?
Why should I contribute to a society based on inhumizations of his own people?

>>140372426
hold up one sec, just what the fuck do you think you're doing drooling all over the place?
I'll let you know your saliva is now a property of nestle S.A. and should your sperging out continue we'll be forced into stronger measures and confiscate all the water in your body
which adds up to about 70% of it

You're right, water is not a human right, it is a human necessity

>>140390537
> Tax the Air too!!
That is what the carbon tax is. It is a tax for even existing, and expelling CO2.

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>>140392623
but it's so fun

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>>140372426
This is probably the kike-iest thing I've ever seen on this site. Nice work, Schlomo!

>>140371842
Human rights are a joke, don't care. Water is however a common good and should(and probably will) stay as such. Plumbing and all that shit doesn't necessarily need to be the responsibility of others, but the positive externalities of fresh water access for the poor do usually outweigh the costs in most countries. As a society there really isn't much to gain in privatizing it anyway. Just another plot to enrich the rent seeking parasites.

>>140393059
>Can you give me a reason?
Because you will be killed if you try.

>>140393016
>weapons cannot ensure your survival.

That's true, but that's all we've got. Giving a bully stuff to prevent him from killing you isn't a long term solution. At best, it's a good way to get out of a tight spot in the short term.

>>140392810
private property is gay
unless you and you alone worked the lake, then you should not be able to just claim it as your own
in order to buy it you'd need to talk to the lake people
or just kill them all off

>>140393475
It's not a good reason you cuckold.
If I don't get to eat I die.
If I don't drink I die.
Why I cannot kill another human for his resources?
Better yet, why a group of people left to die of hunger and thirst should not kill all of the people who have resources and take them?
Maybe even rape a couple of your daughters and sisters too?
I mean, every human in the past did it.
Why stop it?

>>140371842
Water is privatized in Haiti where a days worth of clean drinking water costs more than a days wage. It works well for them, right?

>state owns public bodies of freshwater allowing for public consumption
>state owns purified water provided to law obiding tax paying citizens who continue to pay a water bill
>state can allow private companies to draw, purify, store, and transport water to customers so long as wealth is not generated over the exploitation of those who can't afford water

Any variation of this isn't doable.

>>140371842
Nothing is a human right. You aren't entitled to anything.

>>140393841
>Why I cannot kill another human for his resources?

The only reason besides honor/morality is that you will be killed, and there are many more people who are NOT starving than there are who are starving. And they will kill you.

The point would be to avoid getting into the situation where you're starving.

>>140388003
>Except nobody wants to hunt. They want preloaded debit card so they can go to the nearest shartmart and buy carb loaded snack and easily liquidated products that can be traded for alcohol and cigarettes.

so because of that I have to relinquish my god given rights and submit to monopoly of the rich?! NO FUCKING THANKS! I WANT MY CHOICE TO BE A SLAVE or a HUMAN BEING!

I do not believe that any tangible product which require anyone to work in producing or extracting these products, should be a human right.
You cannot have an essential right to other peoples labour.

However, as things are now, we all know how privatizing would turn out. People would quickly lay claim to all major natural reservoirs, and sell their water - not in a free market, but in the crooked from of corporative market, that we have today.

Think of the oil price, what are the ones that are in control of the oil fields doing (that's states but same principle apply), they are organizing to reduce supply, in order to maximize profit.

I have some doubts about private corporations being allowed to purchase all bodies of fresh-water.

>>140393475
you really consider starving people who would rather steal food than die a "bully"?
you greatly underestimate the strength of desperate people in large numbers.
the only reason your "we have the upper hand" mentality is currently valid is because of how few people in your area would be willing to give up their life to steal from you.
If you took away every currently-on-foodstamps americans (about 13.3% of america) ability to exist without commit violent crime, we would devolve into an africa-tier society.

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>implying water isn't already privatized

>>140394409
I'm a big black man. I walk into a room of little wh*te boys with food. I kill them all with guns and hide the bodies, and take the food. But it's okay because you're not entitled to life.

>>140393841
For a faggy leftist whining about your right to free food an water you seem pretty confident in your ability to go around killing people.

>>140371842
It is a human right. Wich is why people should be free to use and sell it any way they want. We all need food aswell. Should farms be owned and run by the goverment then? That didnt work out well the last few times. The water crisis in flint proves that you cant trust goverment to provide basic needs like water anyway. They didnt source the job out to a private contractor, they did it themselves.

>>140394603
>we would devolve into an africa-tier society.
Temporarily, however eventually our laws would become more draconian, and we would genocide the uppity niggers who couldn't be civilized.

>>140394409
Kek.
Are you really talking about honor & morality after refusing to give water to dying men?

At the same time, thank you proving my point.
I have NO reason, if I have to, to not kill someone for his resources since I would be dead anyway.

The point you talk about is nonsense, since hard-working people have always been the first to suffer during economics depressions and crisis putting them back in the poor classes.

In the end, If water isn't a right, neither is your life.

>>140395028
b-but it's STEALING

ITT: 16 y.o. capitalists that adamantly defend screwing over their fellow man over some bullshit they picked up on for watching too much Molyneux and Friedman videos.

pfft we should stop doing soup kitchens and let the homeless die on the streets as you're not entitled to live

>>140394603
>you greatly underestimate the strength of desperate people in large numbers.
In the last millennia, that would have been absolutely true statement.
In this millennia, drones and hoes will make numbers irrelevant.

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>>140372426
>money is a measure of your contribution to society.
>no contribution = no money

>>140395120
exactly
as a race we should protect the weak and empower the strong, while expelling the violent, the radicalists and the useless

>>140371842
It's not a human right like personal safety, but it would be horribly inefficient if every morning you woke up and worried about where to get your water.

You should obviously enter some sort of social contract with your city/state to get access to the water you need.

That said, clean water should be distributed as widely as possible, otherwise society stagnates.

>>140390553

you forgot to mention that now you would have to scoupe and trash your shit and piss outside in "paid" trash bin. Take a shit $10, take a piss $8

>works in soup kitchen for no pay
>random 16 year old sitting on a pile of daddy's cash "y-you haven't CONTRIBUTED"

>>140395028
>Are you really talking about honor & morality after refusing to give water to dying men?
I haven't done any such thing.
I just said it isn't a right. Honor and morality is separate from the law. That's why I listed it as a reason separate to the legal punishment. Understand?

>>140395028
>I have NO reason, if I have to, to not kill someone for his resources since I would be dead anyway.
Not necessarily. You don't know what opportunities you might have in the future. . But you know with relative certainty that you will be killed if you try to kill me.

>>140395028
>The point you talk about is nonsense, since hard-working people have always been the first to suffer during economics depressions and crisis putting them back in the poor classes.

And the societies that recover the fastest are the ones that maintain property rights despite tough conditions.

Only in its natural form. Water ways, wells and springs should be controlled completely by whoever owns the land. No governing body or control of them. Access to public land river, streams and springs is a right. Forcing a municipal water company to give free water is not. If you want it so fucking bad build a few of those water pumps in your area and give out free water by the truck tank or barrel. There, universal and free (by the tax payer). Commies really want 100% control over water, power and all utilities making it paid by tax dollars. Its always about control.

>>140394721
Well, my dear cuckold, your people are getting smashed and raped by literal leftie niggers so while i'm probably not the one you should be worried about i'd still be careful.
You could get hurt.

>>140371842
Look I don't give a shit about water I just want to buy all the stop lights in my city and force everyone to pay a toll to turn the light from red to green.

>>140391134

you're already being taxed to breath air! also if you own a car you are also taxed for your car using air to be mixed with fuel... check it out.

what do you think Carbon tax is?

>>140388364
At least he didn't reply twice to the same post.

>>140371842
Its not a right. You really don't have any real rights. It should not be privatized.

>>140395652
I don't pay a carbon tax as an individual, so how am I being taxed to breathe air? The carbon tax is a tax against externalities, not an entrance fee.

>>140395532
but you can't build any water pumps because iff you do the company owning the lake will kneecap you and burn down your house

>>140380565
You have the right to go down to the waterhole and draw a bucket, I agree, but if you want it delivered to your house you need to pay your share of the costs.

>>140386779
No not everyone can. You need a license to hunt pretty much everywhere.

>>140371842
It is a basic life necessity and should never be withheld from any human being.

>>140391406

wow, you're truly are a moron! Tags are given for larger game, small game you can hunt all you fucking want, you dumb fuck! how did you manage to get on internet is beyond me

>>140395531
Everything you said is easily disproven by two simple facts.
If I don't drink today I die.
If I don't eat I'm not strong enough to work.
Does your mind undertand that?

Also, the societies you are talking about always use a welfare program to help the poorer classes, you should learn your own history bucko.

If the citizens aren't well fed, your head goes down.
To think that even Rome knew this and yet the advanced men has a skull too thick to grasp it.

>>140395812
But say if a group of people put funds into a piggy bank then used the piggybank funds to pay each other to build water infrastructure that they then used to drink, wouldn't that be convient and help sustain large populations?

>>140380565
>water is a natural resource
Water is a non-renewable natural resource*
Fixed it for you, we use fresh water at a rate higher than Mother Earth can cleanse. Meaning someone's labor is used to give you water.
Therefore not natural.

>>140396075
government and taxes are a large part of sustaining society, as well as public services

>>140394853
I had a feeling you would say something like that.
that the only people who would be willing to do anything to stay alive would be "feral niggers" or something like that.
so what happens to the taxpaying white farmer who is minding his own business, when suddenly his field gets raided of crops completely while he's sleeping? that was his only source of income for the season, and now he can't afford to pay taxes on the land, let alone replant.
how about the dozens of people whose job relies on a grocery store that had to shut down because it kept losing its stock?
the problem exacerbates itself.
African countries have theft laws that are draconian as hell, usually something like getting your hands cut off, or just getting
well guess what, being hanged is less painful that starving to death.

>>140396204
what goes in must go out
do you realise how shitty everything would be if everything was privatised?
charities would be worthless and crushed as giving out free stuff would offend other companies, ect

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>>140371842
Should literally just staying alive be free?

>>140371842
Nothing is a human right, but if you set up a water collection plant upstream/uphill from me i'm stabbing your ass for taking all the water.

The moralistic me would say Yes it is because a human needs it in order to survive a week or more in this planet.

The realistic side of me would say no because fresh water currently is a valuable and LIMITED resource (almost 3% of all water on earth is drinkable) and given with the current Africa population boom crisis it would only signal the doom of any significant progress for humanity in the years to come just to feel good about ourselves that we gave water to people who will never be able to pay it back/nor they wont want to.

Better to maintain the water supply for years to come and let a few thousands suffer in the progress than to drain all of the water supplies dry to satisfy everyone and everyone suffers

>>140396164
You had me at "put funds in". Everyone is putting funds in, right anon?

>>140396075
>.If I don't drink today I die.
>If I don't eat I'm not strong enough to work.

This is total bullshit. People fast for weeks while going to their jobs.

Secondly, if it's so hard for you to get water, it means there isn't a lot of water in the area. That means people are right to consider their own survival. There's no right you have to their resources especially considering you lacked the foresight that they had. They deserve it. If you want to be a criminal, that's on you. Go be a nigger. We'll kill you.

>>140395243
>dronestriking an American city because there are probably thieves there

>>140394125
all those lazy, stupid haitians need to move to Puerto Rico and work for that nice wealthy Hedge Fund manager that appeared on JRE the other week

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>>140396742
>it means there isn't a lot of water in the area

>>140372426
>nothing is a right
thus you have no right to live and I can kill you right now and suffer no consequences for doing such

jesus christ you people are retards

>>140396164
REEEEEE DON'T TREAD ON ME

>>140395567
Gotta watch out for those "literal nigger smashings"

Make sure you remember to call people cucks and make vague anonymous threats in every post you make.

Tbh I'm surprised you didnt graduate top of your class, navy seals, with over 300 confirmed kills

>>140396742
You are speaking lies just to keep grasping at your weak system of values. How cute.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-days-can-you-survive-without-water-2014-5?IR=T
>You can go 100 hours without drinking at an AVERAGE temperature

Then again If there's not enough water in the area then I have no reason to not kill you to drink it. And maybe also rape your dear little daugther while you watch. Cuckold.

>>140397487
Let's archive it
https://archive.is/MW6qb

>>140371842
>Is water a human right /pol/?

It's vital to life and virtually costless to supply low-time niggers because the providers are subsidized so massively by industrial demand, so, yea probably

>>140395028
you're talking to retards that respond in such manner, it is clearly the "anitifa/sjw" morons that are screaming for communism that you are arguing with. Everyone knows that if a person cannot feed a family for more than 3 meals is when whole society breaks down and it's everyone for themselves and rich people are the first to go, why do you think all these elites are scrambling for UBI?!? because they know there is a tipping point in Unemployment when everyone says fuck you and I am taking what I feel is mine even if I have to rape and murder your whole family. The next wave of automation is to happen in Transport sector and that's a very large number of men who will have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

You have to realize that most of these treads and subjects are designed by (((them))) to keep us fighting amongst each other the same way it was with BLM then MAH RUSSIA and now NORTH KOREA!

>>140396742
>There's no right you have to their resources especially considering you lacked the foresight that they had. They deserve it. If you want to be a criminal, that's on you. Go be a nigger. We'll kill you.

>have the "foresight" to put a fence around a lake and say 'if you try'n climb over that fence n drink muh water i'll shoot ya'
>gets killed by thirst niggers

how many times do you have to hear it, it doesn't matter that stealing is "wrong"
you don't have the entitlement to your private contract being recognized by a third party any more than they are entitled to your land.
all that matters is if you can prevent them from doing so.

>>140395294
in all honestly she is the best DJ that has ever walked the Earth and only 2nd to Steve Aoki

>>140396467
Dude, you do not have the right to someone else's work.
Meaning, if you want fresh, "clean" water.
You can recycle it yourself through whatever system you choose to.

However "water" as it is transported through a public system is not free and has never been free.
Someone must cleanse the water, someone must repair the system, someone must move the product from the system to your house.
That's a minimum of three people you must pay for your water.

Water as it is, can not be controlled. I can collect water from a multitude of sources (though theoretically large scale collection is illegal in The U.S.A.).
However fresh water is becoming a very small and highly sought after commodity.
Do you have the right to come onto my land and set of a well?
No, I bought the land and whatever is on top of it or below it.
At the end of the day when resources become scarce, will you try to take my land for your "free" water?
Water is not a human right, because no human actually has rights to the Earth's resources at the end of the day.
When you're starving or thirsty you would and desperate from haven't eaten in days you would kill me at first chance you had. I would do the same and so would most people.

So ethical dilemma time m8, if you steal my resources and this kills me it would be the same as you killing me.
If I don't share my resources and this kills you it would be the same as me sending you to your death.
So who is right?

>>140397487
>Then again If there's not enough water in the area then I have no reason to not kill you to drink it. And maybe also rape your dear little daugther while you watch.

t. nigger

Of course niggers can always justify nigger behavior. If you put yourself in a desperate position, you will be desperate.
Saying I have to give you shit or you'll kill me is just the same as any other nigger on the street. I'm not going to give in to such terrorism. Try and take it faggot. We'll see who wins.

>>140397619
>anything I don't like is communism

wow it's almost like a libbie saying anything they don't like is fascism
the retardedness is strong

>>140395798
>I don't pay a carbon tax as an individual,

LOL! RETARD! why don't you check where half of your paycheck goes. Even if you don't own a vehicle, you're still paying CARBON and AIR TAX! Have you ever looked at the list of taxes you pay on monthly basis?

>>140371842
There's no such thing as human rights lol

>>140371842

The Romans didnt charge for their water systems.

Our government is ran by savage Neanderthals.

>>140395871
another clueless moron that hasn't done any hunting in his life who heard it on BIL NYE show...

you can hunt what you eat, you cannot hunt for profit without a licence. I can go to a pond and catch fish all day long as long as I eat it or release it, it's when I try to sell that fish is when I'll get in trouble!

LEARN BASIC LAWS, YOU DUMB FUCK OR BETTER YET KYS

>>140397935
but you did not work the land did you
so you tehnically don't won it, you just traded worthless bits of paper and now you think you have the right to effectivly murder your fellow peoples

And I did technically pay for that work. It's called "taxes". And I agreed to maybe to pay for the less fortunate, or the lazy. I do not care. I do what's right to uphold society.

>>140398000
Checked.
I thank you because you ultimately proved me right.
If might makes right then so be it.
Just don't remove the best part of it from the equation. If water is yours then be strong enough to defend it. But always remember that getting your throat sliced in the night is easy thing. Cuck.

>>140398384
but killing someone else's property is poaching, so now the landowners are going to kill you, and everything you love.

>>140397822
>how many times do you have to hear it, it doesn't matter that stealing is "wrong"
Niggers who can't participate in a civilized way shouldn't be part of civilization.

Of course it matters that it's wrong. Because that's how we as a society deal with immoral, no good niggers. Don't try and force your nihilism on me.

>>140372426
>The only right is the right to make money without something trying to take it from you.
How's that even a right? When the government comes to take your money, what do you do? Pay it and then go online to whine about it. As if there was some divine law to give you such rights, even though the basic principle of right to own anything is granted to you by the state itself. Also providing a law enforcement system to protect this right of yours, paid for you by others.

You could of course contest the governments monopoly of violence. As we all know monopolies are bad, so no harm would surely come from that.

>>140398481
and now we have niggertopia

>>140398216
Are you an Anarcho Masochist?

>>140398481
>If might makes right then so be it.
No, it doesn't.

But when feral niggers attack you, might is all you have. It's all they understand.
You said it yourself.

>>140371842
Is living a human right?

>>140398634
answer this
>>140396291

>>140371842
Fake news. Not a real quote.

>>140371842
Technically food is free if you grow your own crops and have the stomach to slaughter your own meat

>>140398384

HEY, MORON! I DON"T KNOW HOW IT IS IN YOUR SHIT-COUNTRY WHERE YOU CAN"T BOTHER WITH FIXING YOUR CROOKED TEETH, BUT HERE IN REAL WORLD WE HAVE PUBLIC LAND WHERE WE CAN LEGALLY HUNT FOR FOOD! (SMALL GAME WITH NO TAGS) LARGE GAME WITH TAGS! IT"S THAT FUCKING SIMPLE, YOU FUCKING BRITFAGGOT. Queen owns 98% of the world and you're bitching at me and my rights?! KYS but do that after you KYS YOUR WHOLE FAMILY AND FRIENDS FIRST!

This guy just wants to pollute all the water and sell you estrogen filled bottled water.
Fuck this nigger

>>140371842
I want also an air tax, human converting fresh air into co2 and therefore are a thread to the climate.

>>140399085
Public. Public land.
Can't have that when it's just bought by corporations, can you?
Unless you were suggesting land that cannot be bought. That's communism, right?

>>140371842

What is this stupid fucking thread for? Stop polluting /pol/ with your bullshit nigger.

>>140396291
>so what happens to the taxpaying white farmer who is minding his own business, when suddenly his field gets raided of crops completely while he's sleeping?

What happens? Hopefully he and his buddies go on a nigger hunt. And since he's an upstanding member of the community, they will help him get by.

Obviously tragedies happen. That's why we need to remove the feral niggers before it grows to epidemic levels.

You just have to get rid of them. You can't have a society with people like that in it. That's the point. If you know where they are to give them the food stamps, you know where they are to kill them and remove them.

>>140371842
No like fuck he is

>>140371842
Why should you be given rights because you appear as human?

>>140372426
did you pay your daily breathing tax today, you massive faggot

>>140400475
It holds a nation together better than LARPing.

>>140396486
Should we charge the goyim for staying alive?

>>140371842
this nigger company actually tried to privatize the water rights to a town in northern Pennsylvania and it took the whole town to organize and make enough noise at city council that Nestle got BTFO

>>140381093
>the earth is 75% water
well how much of that can you drink and cook with?

>>140400994
Why did the town hate freedom and liberty so much?

>>140371842
Yes, now go dig your own well and produce your own water with your own labor and stop expecting that your rights give you the right to steal other peoples labor.

>>140401295
>preventing hostile takeover of a vital natural resource of a small farming community to benefit a water bottling facility
>hate freedom and liberty
kill yourself eggplant

>>140401095
All of it, you just run it through a desalination process, reverse osmosis purification or distill it.

>ITT: People actually defending this

Holy shit /pol/ you can be really retarded sometimes

>>140401609
Hostile takeover? Um, sweetie, nobody is forcing those people to drink the water! They can just vote with their wallet (I don't like democracy btw, it's just an expression) and it will all work out.

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>the inevitable collapse of current omnipotent welfare state system will lead to ancap utopia paradise
honestly cant fucking wait

>>140371842

They replaced that guy tho.

I'm biased because I love Nestle coffee btw.

>>140371842
>Just water?
Yes
>Water delivered, clean and pure, to your home?
No.
>Bottled, clean and pure, then shipped accross the country to you?
No.

>>140371842
What does that even mean? It doesn't mean anything.

If you're asking whether I would prefer to have free/cheap water, the answer is yes.

There are no principles. Everything is up for grabs to the psychopaths of the world.

no.

>>140372945
/thread

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If water is a human right and therefore can't be privatized, who is in charge of defending the water supply against people who might harm it?

>>140371842
the only human right you have is one you can take/defend with your bare hands.

>>140405893
The state.

>>140399447
what if all the good, upstanding individuals have had their source of income destroyed
and only the jewish corporation owner has a legally recognized private contracts granting him control of all the water in the region, and he refuses to help them for free?

>>140371842
will this thread never stop being copied and pasted by shills looking for (you)s?