Are Libertarians becoming retarded?

NO we are not.

No, something strange has haopened in the movement in the last 5 or 6 years. I've recently left the movement because it isn't keeping up with modern happenings and seems ineffective in today's America. In short, I went from an AnCap to a Nationalist in a matter of months.

>>140305232

They emphasis the "socially liberal" aspect of their ideology to divert attention away from their "economically conservative" bent because its mean and evil and Republican. This is especially true with the faggots over at Reason and Cato: they can't wait to pander when the illegal immigrant issue springs up in the news.

>>140305848
If you can go from ancap to socialist in a matter of months, then you're a clueless faggot devoid of any real principles.

>>140305232
>becoming

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'Your law is the law of the rich and wealthy people, who hold sway in their political parties, and fund their election campaigns with their gifts. Behind them stand the Jews, who control your policies, media and economy.'

Libertarians are a meme at this point. They are totally cucked now. Theres not a more low energy movement than libertarianism.

>>140309548
Rothbard I think

>>140310004
They were always a bit cucked, too snobby to meme etc. but at least they were rational.
I'm guessing it's just a wave of converted liberals from reasonTV, but I fear it's a bunch of leftist shills taking over the movement.

All the smart libtards moved to the fash when they realized that libertarianism is unworkable with a population of mixed, iq 85 shitskins. The remaining "libertarians" are basically hyper degenerates and/or anarcho communists.

>>140305232
reminder that this is a D&C shill thread

they always were retarded shitlibs

(((LIBertarian)))

>>140310704
or alt kike jews that like to sit on fences

"muh brand"

>>140312340
Leftist globalists invading Libertarianism is divide and conquer now? Sounds like you're the shill.

>>140305232
Libertarians are literal autists between the 2nd and 3rd standard deviation IQ band. They are as intractable and dense as western Marxists.

itt welfare kiddies with single moms hate on libertarians because they dont want to pay for your lazy lifestyle

>>140305232
The actual libertarians grew up and became conservatives or alt right
>Implying libertarians were ever anything but mildy less retarded libtards
You either grow out of it and realize it's just controlled opposition or you stay that way forever

t. Former libertarian c. 2013-2016

>>140310004
It's funny, the people I notice who hate libertarians the most are always former libertarians themselves

>>140305232
Basically the people who composed the elite intellectual wing of the party left the movement wholesale and became nationalists.

What's left are old 'get off my lawn' white pleb types who vote but only vaguely understand libertarian principles, and an "intellectual elite" now composed of left wing types who care more about feels than policy.

The amount of now ethnic/civic nationalists I've met that used to be libertarians is staggering.

>>140305232
>becoming
The Austin Petersons of the world have brainwashed my friend, and I can confirm: They are extremely retarded.
They're on progressive levels of reality denying.

>>140305232
the lolbertarian moment has passed.
we're heading towards fascism, thank god
it's the future you chose

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>>140305232
In general, no.

Libertarians are becoming more right wing. But the libertarian think tanks are becoming more infused with Soros bucks so they are pushing leftist SJWism and open borders harder than ever.

Look at the web traffic stats for Reason.com, they're plummeting. Also more people who used to call themselves "libertarian" now associate as either classical liberal or "alt-right" because the so-called libertarian "thought leaders" and "opinion makers" are becoming uber cucked.

>>140314167
Literally this, deshita. Nat socs are just as bad as the lefties.

>>140315180
>we're heading towards fascism, thank god
being this retarded

>>140305232
>Have they always been like this?
Yes, they're not getting dumber, you're getting smarter.

>>140305232
That's why you ignore """"libertarians""" and talk to Ancaps instead.

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>>140314167
>autocracy l-look out...

>if you don't go full 1488 you're a cucked lolbertrian ahahahaha btfo

Fuck you kangaroo fucker.

>>140305232
Libertarians have always just been liberals who love money.

>>140316307
you have to be 18 to post here

>>140305893
I think their problem has more to do with their absolute worship of capitalism. They believe capitalism cant do nothing wrong. And if there is a solution to a problem and it happens to not be a capitalist one. They will reject it. They would rather have the problem mot solved than take a non capitalist approach or solution. Then on top of that they add social liberalism. Makes for a fucking horrible combination. A true kike dream though

>>140315860
Ancaps are bigger kikes than libertarians. At least the libertarians believe in some sort of borders. The ancaps solution? Private borders. Yes they are this retarded

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>>140316641
>libertarians are "liberals". But they like capitalism too much.
you are a very confused young teenager, aren't you?

>>140316977
>liking capitalism means you are not a liberal
Yeah I guess Hillary and her corporate democrats are not liberals then right?
Fucking idiot.

>>140317098
He is kid who thinks liberal = socialist and conservative = capitalist.
Funny how he calls other teenagers when he has not a basic grasp of politics

>>140305232
It's just divide and conquer shills trying to split the right up.

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>Like the idea of the government not all up in my shit all the time
>Tfw lumped in with the dude weed lmaobertarians

I just want to live in my cabin in peace

>>140317098
corporatism has nothing to do with free-market capitalism. And libertarians are in essence classical liberals, but not "liberals" in modern parlance. At this point, anyone who uses the term liberal instead of leftist to describe "progressives" exposes himself as either a retard or a political neophyte.

>>140317383
Oops, I proved you completely wrong here >>140317429

Note that I did not use the term conservative, and originally put the term "liberal" in quotation marks.

>>140305232
Libertarians were always retarded.

>>140305232
Have they always been pozzed? Rand, Rothbard, Friedman were Jews.
You have to go back to Nock to find a non-pozzed libertarian.

>altright still thinks they will succeed Post-Charlottesville.

*facepalm* that was your moment to get this thing moving. But Captain Charger blew it.

>>140317429
>corporatism has nothing to do with free-market capitalism.
It has a lot to do with it. Corporatism is basically free market for not for you. The Clintons are full blown capitalists. Economically they are further to the right than Trump. Their love for free trade and open borders rivals that of laissez faire capitalists
>And libertarians are in essence classical liberals, but not "liberals" in modern parlance. At this point, anyone who uses the term liberal instead of leftist to describe "progressives" exposes himself as either a retard or a political neophyte.
Progressives are western liberals as well you moron. Social Democrats at the end of the day are still liberals. Everyone who supports western liberal democracies is a liberal. But yeah it would be better to say that libertarians are progressives who love capitalism. That is exactly what they are.

>>140317509
Nah you just made a big deal out of nothing. Seems like backtracking to me actually. I get what you are trying to say. That we should call liberals "progressives" but I highly doubt that is what you were trying to say when you tried to mock that anon for saying libertarians are liberals who love money. You were trying to say liberals cant love capitalism. That it is somehow not liberal to support capitalism. All this ahit about how libertarians are the true classical liberals has nothing to do with the fact that you came off as an idiot trying to paint liberals as anti capitalist

>>140318123
>thinks corporatism is "basically free market"
>thinks the clintons are "full blown capitalists" when they push big government policies
>thinks the clintons are "further to the right than Trump"
>thinks open borders is "right wing"
>thinks "liberal democracy" refers to the way "liberal" is used in modern political parlance
>thinks libertarians are progressives
So sick of these "look mom, I posted it again" type posts. I was a snotty little shit when I was 17 too, but for fucks sake, people who are older than you know more about politics and the world in general.

>>140318123
>Corporatism is basically free market for not for you
No, corporatism is basically welfare but for corporations.

>>140318556
I'm actually saying we should refer to so-called "liberals" as leftists. And they are anti-capitalism, they push for more regulation and a bigger role for government in the economy. They're not full blown socialists but they're skeptical of free market capitalism.

The fact that you keep using the word "liberal" to refer to leftists shows that you are also a either a retard or a political neophyte.

>>140305232
Becoming? Hahaha. They were always retarded.
MUH CAPITALIZM TA MAKE BILLIONAIRES MOAR BILLIONAIRISH MUH LIBERTYE TA CHEAR ON BILLIONAIRISHNESS!

>>140318825
He did not say libertarians were leftists. He said libertarians were capitalist cocksuckers who also happen to be socially liberal. So I dont know what any of the bullshit you are saying has to do with anything. Do libertarians not worship capitalism? Are libertarians not social liberals who support degeneracy?
Yes libertarians are capitalists and social/liberals/progressives/cultural Marxists whatever the fuck you want to call them. They shun traditionalism and love capitalism.

>>140318605
>thinks corporatism is "basically free market"

>thinks the clintons are "full blown capitalists" when they push big government policies
They are capitalists. Full blown or not they are capitalists
>thinks the clintons are "further to the right than Trump"
Corporate democrats are more capitalist than nationalist populist like Trump
>thinks open borders is "right wing"
I never said that. I said open borders are capitalist
>thinks "liberal democracy" refers to the way "liberal" is used in modern political parlance
I dont get what that has to do with anything.
>thinks libertarians are progressives
Socially liberal is what I said. Which they are

>>140307482
t. fish food

>>140315415
Since when was the only other option natsoc wtf

>>140305232
>dude weed and shrooms dude
>yeah i'm race mixing so?
GAS GAS GAS

>>140320231
>Are libertarians not social liberals who support degeneracy?
No. A lot of the think tank "libertarians" are, but you are conflating thinking some degenerate things should be legal with supporting people doing those degenerate things. It's a matter of allaying unintended consequences, promoting economic efficiency, and harm reduction.

Heroin is illegal yet we have a massive opioid problem that was spurred by the Obama administration cracking down on prescription opioids. If you don't understand the law of unintended consequences you are too retarded to live.

>>140320584
>I said open borders are capitalist
And that is a retarded opinion. You can have a complete free market and without free movement of people.

>>140320850
fuck off. all druggies should die a horrible death for my amusement.

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>>140305232
there is a movement of extreme leftist to claim they are libertarians.

I was fucking this one bitch who told me she was a libertarian, but helped campaign for Bernie Sanders.

I think the biggest draw for safe space liberals is they love the term "Non Aggression Principle"

She was a degenerate / idiot / attention whore

>>140321069
of course she was, anon. of course she was.

>>140320904
>look mom, I posted it again!

>>140315180
I'd prefer Traditionalism, rather not be shot in the back of the head by you cunts.

>>140305232
because normies ruin everything

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>>140305232
>becoming

Libertarians are retards. Find me one libertarian who was born in a hospital that they built, then educated in a school that they built, protected by a police service they created and maintained, and travelled by a network of roads that they built.

>>140305232
Two Reasons:
1) - /pol/ meme conversion (blame the election, and trump's rise to power, ancap shit doesn't help)
2) - Over-saturation, and overpopularity

>>140305232
>they
stop painting an entire group the color of a cringey minority

>>140321069
>there is a movement of extreme leftist to claim they are libertarians.
Yeah, I'm 35 and was registered with the Libertarian Party for 17 years. Switched to Republican in January of last year. It's a matter of "I didn't leave the party, the party left me". When I first got into libertarianism when I was 18 everyone wore suits, was super right wing, and actively worked to keep libertarians from appearing like degenerates.

Now you have naked guys dancing on stage at the Libertarian National Convention. Trust me, it used to be a totally different party and the people who called themselves libertarian were as anti-leftist as it got. Over the past 5 years or so the leftist SJWism crept in, "left libertarians" become more numerous, and the movement became totally corrupted.

>>140305232

You aren't going to hear that shit from me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB4dJRjvyfM

>>140321372
>ancap shit doesn't help
this was a huge factor also. Online libertarianism became totally dominated by "muh NAP", "muh statists" ancaps who began allying with anarchocommunists because "at least they're not statists". It was sad to watch.

>>140320850
>You can have a complete free market and without free movement of people.
Please read that sentence to yourself and take note of how utterly fucking stupid that sounds.

Fact of the matter is, capitalism doesn't give a shit if Jamal is feeling up your wife, and Ahmed is looking at your kids while licking his lips, in a true free market, only currency matters, nothing else. It advocates for open borders, and limited control of said borders by the government. There is no way to implement free market capitalism without allowing anyone, whatever nationality they may be, to live and invest in your country, so long as they have the money to do so.

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>OMG this guy who fucked my girl and makes more money is a stupid head

kool troll thread

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Remember:

Libertarian party != libertarians

Reason and the LNP care more about staying on the beltway and seaking approval from progressive/libertines then they do about actual libertarian principles. These kind of "libertarians" dont actually care about freedom or the responsibility that goes with it. They are simply run of the mill liberals that sorta like guns and want slighly less central planning. Rothbard, Rockwell, Paul, and the like saw this same corruption coming over 30 years ago.

Least the Mises institute hasnt bowed to the beltway or the Kochtopus yet.

>>140321676
>Please read that sentence to yourself and take note of how utterly fucking stupid that sounds.
It's not stupid at all. Take Ron Paul for example, he talked incessantly about the free market but he was completely against open borders.

>capitalism doesn't give a shit if Jamal is feeling up your wife, and Ahmed is looking at your kids while licking his lips
Yeah, no shit, it's an economic system. Of course it "doesn't care" about that. Free people have to police culture themselves.

>There is no way to implement free market capitalism without allowing anyone, whatever nationality they may be, to live and invest in your country, so long as they have the money to do so.
Yeah there is, it's called having a laissez faire economy with strict immigration policies. Ron Paul and Nigel Farage advocate for this. Thinking it's somehow unheard of is just bizarre. I hope you're a teenager at least.

>>140307482
woke af

>>140321754
Leftist pretending to be Libertarian != Chad Libertarians

>>140320904
And it will be easier if the drugsare legal.

>>140305232
>now they're virtue signaling how much they love rapefugees.
What are you talking about?

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>>140321924
Exactly this. Fortunately Reason is collapsing, see pic related. If that doesn't prove that many/most libertarians are against the leftist infiltration into libertarian organizations than I don't know what does.

>>140321330
>whatistrade.jpeg

>>140305232
Too much weed has ruined their brains

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>>140322109

true

we should force all members to fuck a 14 year old girl on acid to gain membership

>>140322369
Baby dont hurt me

>>140322036
>It's not stupid at all. Take Ron Paul for example, he talked incessantly about the free market but he was completely against open borders.
Neither Ron Paul, nor his ideology ever came close to being mainstream in the Republican Party. Look at all the rich Asians and Arabs buying property in the west and sending their families over. Are any of the so called free market Republicans doing anything about it? No, nothing, and that's in a modern centrist society, in a libertarian society this problem would increase tenfold.

>Yeah, no shit, it's an economic system. Of course it "doesn't care" about that. Free people have to police culture themselves.
Free people also includes the people of color that come from other nations to live there, and they too dictate the countries culture, whether through voting or social conditioning. Just look at how many European politicians and businessmen are bending over backwards for muslims, even going as far to support islamic safe zones.

>Yeah there is, it's called having a laissez faire economy with strict immigration policies.
Again, this is impossible to implement. It's an innate contradiction.

>>140323472
>Neither Ron Paul, nor his ideology ever came close to being mainstream in the Republican Party.
Correct. I never said they did.

>Look at all the rich Asians and Arabs buying property in the west and sending their families over. Are any of the so called free market Republicans doing anything about it? No, nothing, and that's in a modern centrist society, in a libertarian society this problem would increase tenfold.
Correct. But we are witnessing a paradigm shift changing the Republican Party right now.

>Free people also includes the people of color that come from other nations to live there, and they too dictate the countries culture, whether through voting or social conditioning.
Wrong. America had free people with a free market economy for almost its entire history pre-1965 immigration act and it didn't necessitate bringing over third world scum.

>Just look at how many European politicians and businessmen are bending over backwards for muslims, even going as far to support islamic safe zones.
Yes, it's a big problem. Nothing to do with libertarianism.

>Again, this is impossible to implement. It's an innate contradiction.
Then how come America had both free markets and strict immigration policies keeping most non-whites out for almost its entire history?

I guess you're both retarded and completely ignorant of American history.

>>140305232
I'm still pretty much a libertarian, but I consider illegal immigration a violation of the NAP because it's diverting resources away from Americans.

Libertarians seem to just take the cuckservative approach and see them as cheap labor who'll magically join their side after 2-3 generations of assimilation.

>>140318123
>Corporatism is basically free market for not for you.
Are you being stupid on purpose?

>>140324574
We've been beset by teenagers ever since redditors started advertising /pol/ on /r/the_donald.

>>140305232
I wouldn't really care about refugees if I didn't live in a welfare state tbf the refugees themselves probably wouldn't choose such country unless they're determined to bust their ass

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>>140307482
I unironically agree with Osama bin Laden.

We should've listened to him and told the Jews to fuck off with the mistreatment of the Palestinians in our name.

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>>140324886
Honestly for the best. want the next generation redpilled.

https://youtu.be/4gkofwYnJXc

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>>140305232
Libertarians were always cucks.