New Jordan Peterson on IQ

Just watched the whole thing. TLDR: Nothing new really but the guy on the right thinks intelligence is based on memory etc rather than awareness or alertness. Uh he has mapped some parts of the brain and it shows smarter people have more clusters or better maps of brain function. Literally nothing but a few tidbits of interesting information. The guy on the right wants to find a way to increase iq and it seems its nearly impossible. I myself believe sleep deprevation and coffee (not incombination) can increase intelligence at least due to personal experience. or Maybe it just increased my consciousness so i believe im higher intelligence because i was more aware of it or the frontal lob just became more developed ... as it does as we age. Was funny Jordan said at least 10% of the population is sub 85 iq. At 85 iq its difficult to do anything productive or hold any type of job lol. Also 10% of pop is above 115 iq. What does bug me is they keep repeating iq directly correlates with success. I believe that it means if your high success you most likely high iq but at the same time if youre poor you can still be high iq because laziness is actually intelligence in a sense because youre choosing to do less work meanwhile still surviving a way of life you choose. I wish he would put that disclaimer. And I smoked a lot of weed, partied etc which hinders success meanwhile in the moment not smoking weed to go study and be a faggot is less intelligent than having a social friends getting pussy and not studying which is fucking tedious and annoying. College isnt for everything anyway. Learning a profession in 3 months rather than studying four years for some bullshit degree which you may not even like.

>>140297644
It is a very accurate predictor of SAT scores etc.

Theres also lots of factors i believe directly correlating with intelligence. Sleep, diet, sufficient exercise, social setting (non stress) can all play a part in cognitive ability

o and he kinda drops a redpill about nogs how they all succumb to violence when left alone

>>140298479
You can develop your frontal lobe with meditation practices.
Practices that use a fixed awareness.
Just watch your breath.

>>140298479
>iq directly correlates with success
It's the strongest predictive measure for success, not a guarantee. They've brought up the failure of the kick start program which is great and Peterson acknowledged the validity of Arthur Jensen which is great.
>>140298778
Were talking about cognitive limitation, not the conditions on how to maximize performance. When we discuss the g factor, it's under the assumption all of these factors are being controlled for.

>>140299420
Well the cat parasite along with candida fuck with the brain and lead to different intelligence.

can genetic intelligence skip a generation?

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>>140300230
>genetic intelligence

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>>140299873
When you control for these factors.
Discrepancies still persist.
Toxoplasmosis is not an issue in the United States.
We can control for nutrition, socio-economic status, education, etc
The SAT is the best example of this, it's a highly g loaded exam.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3090148/

>>140300307
the assumption is intelligence is inherited genetically... can it skip generations nigger

>>140300860
clearly it did with you

>>140300976
lol

>>140297644
> muh IQ
only retards care about IQ, really smart people are out there learning stuff and building awesome things.

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>>140301015
Absolutely BTFO

>>140298479
>I smoked a lot of weed
We can tell.

>>140300860
You don't get an exact 50/50 split between your parents' genetics. You get more from one than the other. If a child inherits its mother's inferior intellect then it's not being skipped at all. In order to approach your question we need to be able to conclusively identify the genetic factors responsible for intelligence and determine whether they are dominant or recessive. Can these genes lay dormant in a stupid person and somehow get triggered in their offspring?

>>140301563
but what if you are clearly far more intelligent than both parent

>>140301563
Intelligence is highly polygenic, one of the most polygenic complex traits we know of. It's certainly possible for synergistic gene complexes to get "broken" by parents that are slightly incompatible and then mesh together better in the next generation for whatever reason. The problem with attributing it to "skipping a generation" is that you have four grandparents so at this stage with only a few dozen intelligence SNPs accounted for, that attribution is unwarranted.

Intelligence is as heritable as height

The science is settled; intelligence primarily comes from your genetics

>>140300230
>>140300860
I think it can. Or to be more precise, let's say your father has good genotypes for intelligence, but is brought up in poor environment, he may display low intelligence despite having the potential for high.

I've this case. I'm naturally gifted based on academic performance and other stuff (despite being exceptionally lazy), while my father might be slightly below average intelligence. In verbal and mathematical intelligence. Very wise though. He was brought up in a poor rural farm environment and probably had very little mental stimulus compared to me.

>>140301563
That's not how it works

A child's expected IQ is the average IQ of both parent's immediate family (selves, parents, siblings)

The variation in that is due to natural variation that takes place generally.

>>140300477
Can we make this a SAT/iq thread?

>>140302064
Oh and to add, my mother is no genius either. Average intelligence at best.

>>140302064
the guy says wisdom doesnt equal intelligence but id have to gather accumulating proper wisdom is higher iq. like red pills or whatever
>>140302213
1200/1600
147 iq

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>>140302213
Yes

>>140302350
>>140302064
"Wisdom" is related to what you are calling "intelligence" or "IQ"

Psychometrics researchers would refer to these concepts as "fluid g" and "crystalline g" respectively. Look into research on g factor, one of the most enlightening things you can know about in a discussion about intelligence.

>>140302181
>expected IQ is the average IQ of both parent's immediate family
>expected

He isnt exactly wrong. The DNA you get from your parents is basically what you are capable of reaching. Then its up to your environment or how you grow up that determines how much of that potential IQ or intelligence you reach.

>>140302393
Ok. 182 iq, 2250/1500

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>>140302934
>182 iq, 2250/1500

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>>140297644
>Muh intelligence
cucked mr bedman is a pseudo intellectual at best

>>140303262
t. shitskin dumb fuck

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>>140303400

>>140303585
posts molymeme. you just confirmed you are a baboon at best

>>140303107
I'm getting mixed signals. Please elaborate.

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>>140303400
>>140303776

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>>140303856
post broof

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>>140300230
only if the father is black.

>>140299143
All meditation is fucking gay and makes me angry to the point I want to kill something.

>literally count your breathing
Literally kill yourself.

>>140299143
basic gestalt on this? are you talking about standard mindfulness meditation?

>>140302181
IQ is heritable but you also regress to the mean of the population. A black couple with 130 IQs will be lucky to have kids with a 115 IQ. Or they can get lucky and have a 160 IQ kid. It's kind of a crapshoot but generally there is a regression to the mean.

>>140304128
>t. brainlet

>>140304367
Genius IQ, actually. I think I find mediation so infuriating because it's boring af and my brain is simply too active to find any appeal to it.

>>140304005
Anon, I got that shit in a safety deposit box. Like I'm gonna leave anything like that lying around.

>>140304577
>genius iq
What is your iq though

>>140298479
It's not that IQ correlates with success, it's that it's a limit on how successful you can be. For example, someone with a 95 IQ can be just as successful as someone with an IQ of 135. That individual with the 135 IQ has the potential to be MUCH more productive and successful than the 95 IQ guy (Something along the lines of the "smart but lazy" meme)... and said 95 IQ guy is at his limit of how productive and successful he can be.

>>140301109
Listen to this advice anons. If you aren't doing anything productive but you still tested well on the mensa.no, do something with your brain and you'll feel even smarter after a few months.

t. finally going back to finish my engineering degree, and thinking I might actually be interested in pure mathematics now

>>140304955
182.

92 IQ here. What do boys?

>>140301867
Recessive genes. Both of your parents were carriers, and you rolled the lucky 1/4 chance to be born with the increased intelligence.

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My IQ is in the 4 digit range, If I amplify I can get it to 5

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niggers

>>140300860
I think it can. Both my parents are engineers with exceptional iq and I am firmly in the 105 range as of repeated testing. I worked hard to get an engineering degree myself but I barely cut it and ended up going into sales after a couple years on the job being really mediocre. I got a lot more verbal ability than either parent but my visuospatial is well below theirs.

>>140305199
enjoy the NEET life

>>140304343
Regression to the mean only applies if you assume completely random pairings.
Studies show that is not the case, you don't have geniuses dating retards, people of similar intelligence tend to form groups with each other, etc.
If a black couple with 130 IQ keeps breeding and the kids also stick with high IQ blacks there is no reason to believe genetics magically flies out the door and suddenly that group will start producing 80 IQ niglets.
"Regression to the mean" is a meme argument white supremacists pull out when they can't skirt around the fact intelligent blacks exist and still want an excuse to discriminate on a racial basis instead of an intellectual basis.

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>>140300860
>>140300976
>>140301015

Here's my "IQ kinda matters but really doesn't matter" story.

Me and my older brother are both in the military, as such we both got tested for IQ. I'm leaving soon, but joined the coast guard and had a pretty good run, now i'm looking to work IT for some information/analytics company hopefully.

He scored 118 on his IQ, I scored 149. Check this out though. We both joined the military, but I did when i was 20 and out of school, and he went to USAFA. He also graduated in the top 5% of his class, and also got his masters from MIT.

He definitely made better use of his education and had much more drive than I do, but I guarantee the dude's smarter than me, and its pretty obvious given his current resume.

I feel like if you get hung up on IQ it'll hurt you in the long run just live your life without sperging out about a number.

>>140305199

If true become a good tradie/bluecollar job man, stoic and fair with a good piece of land. Find a nice 100 IQ woman, raise a litter of proud, probs similar IQ kids, as strong patriotic soldiers to fill the nice working class roles in times of peace. Salt of the earth, you have your place and can contribute.... assuming your white.

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>>140300860
>>140300976

>>140298479
>sleep deprivation increases IQ

lolwut

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>>140302213
>tfw 2350 sat

>>140306173
It does, at least in me experience. Obviously it's temporary, but for the first week or so of <6 hours sleep per day it's actually a plus. If you go more than that you get diminishing returns and reduced performance.

>>140305191
I find the coincidence that we have the same iq amusing. But I agree though the full on process of meditation is just a bunch of nothing burger. Although, it probably does help with calming one's self as you focus on only one thing like your breath or parts of your body, I think that the idea of it doing anymore is a placebo effect. Although, even the calming effect is uselessential to the average human as they can calm themselves without meditaton fairly easily. Meditation clinically is used for people with anxiety to help when they have an attack.

>>140305595
>You don't have geniuses dating retards

But you do have them and people with above average intelligence dating, fucking, and reproducing with people of average or even below average intelligence all the goddamn time.

>>140306040
Maybe the test just sucked.

>>140305595
How do you think genetics works? Blacks with a 130 IQ are basically like a low end car with maxed out tuning/extras. The base genetics are subpar so it's more likely that the 130 IQ couple will have kids <130IQ than above.

>>140306040
US military?

You sure you aren't referring to GT? That's not EXACTLY like an IQ score you know, just kind of close.

>>140297644
Let's talk about Hitler.

>>140305595
Regression to the mean might be because you still carry a lot of shit tier genes that could express themselves in future generations.

>>140305595
this is true ,regression to the mean is strongly misinterpreted here. personally, i am a white nationalist, but when people make that kind of fallacious argument it's unfair to the smart blacks. But i will say that intelligent blacks existing is not a rebuttal of all the evidence that blacks as a collective have lower IQ

>>140306040
getting tested before 25 is a waste of time because IQ is highly variable (susceptible to environmental factors) before then. See: The Wilson Effect

>I feel like if you get hung up on IQ it'll hurt you in the long run just live your life without sperging out about a number.
This is good advice

>>140305595
What you're saying is sheer nonsense. There are many cases of persons far above their immediate family members in intelligence. This results from a chance expression of the best genes of each parent. Heard of Albert Einstein's brothers?

When two such persons procreate, there isn't any reason to suppose that their offspring won't regress to the mean of the family. This is precisely what happened with our Korean immigrants- they were specially selected immigrants, far above thr white average. Their grandchildren now score similarly to whites.

>>140306827
>There are "stupid genes"
>Intelligent blacks have these "stupid genes"
>Intelligent whites do not have these "stupid genes"
>There is no evidence for any of these arguments
Jesus christ the excuses you people come up with

>>140306770
Oh shit, I thought it was an IQ test

>>140307028
>Blacks and whites have the exact same "stupid genes"
Is this what you're saying?

>>140306996
No what YOU are saying is sheer nonsense.
If what you say is true we would still be ape-creatures living in trees because every population every would "regress to the mean" in intelligence every generation.
Sexual selection for intelligence must work otherwise it would be impossible to evolve intelligence in the first place.

>>140305595
You're a fucking idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about.

>>140305191
>>140306498
Neither of you has an IQ above 110.

/pol/ is so fucknig cringe-worthy sometimes.

>>140307231
No I'm saying "stupid genes" probably don't exist and there's just various "intelligence genes" that groups may or may not lack.
For all we know there are intelligence genes black people have that white people don't and vise versa, and this can apply to any racial group.

>>140307380
>fucknig
Europoor freudian slip

cancer

>>140307337
>I'm a creationist
Put the cock back in your mouth, sven.

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>>140301362
kek

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>>140304955
>What is your iq
>>140305191
>182.
>>140306498
>I find the coincidence that we have the same iq amusing

>>140307564
Kek

Arguing for discrimination based on IQ is strange, as American Jews have a far higher one than White Americans, as do Chinese-Americans. IQ based discrimination is actually an argument for migration, as high the people that migrate tend to be the highest IQ members of their former population.

Better off arguing that diversity breeds division imo.

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>>140307564
>AhOLDeaQ
>a whole dick
>a hole

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M A S T E R R A C E

>>140307496
Regression towards the mean has absolutely nothing to do with partner choice. It's a consequence of recessive gene expression.

What does Peterson think of the Flynn effect. IQ in developing nations rises faster than it does in the western world what would he lay blame on.

>>140306996
most of albert einstein's descendants are very intelligent

even now, 4 generations later, most of his great grandkids are professors or distinguished scientists. The idea that one person could be far more intelligent than their siblings and parents is possible, but it's very rare. If someone is intelligent the genes are either dormant or there parents are smart. If regression to the mean worked the way you thought it did , eugenics, or sexual selection for intelligence for that as
>>140307270 points out, would have no validity, but it does. Eugenics/Sexual selection for intelligence could work on any population, it would just be harder depending on what your goal IQ for the collective was and what the collective's initial IQ was

>>140307270
Well, the monkey genes disappeared, that's why it's called natural selection. They were disadvantageous to our survival. A smart man from a family of idiots marrying a smart woman from a family of idiots isn't going to have much of an effect upon the gene pool.

>>140307564
Well it's that or he's bullshitting. I thought that was probably the case due to the nature of pol but I decided to give the benefit of the doubt because fuck it.

>>140305191 if you're bullshitting though, I will kill you and rape your corpse.

>>140307675
>as do chinese americans
They're actually regressing to the mean, if the latest tests are to be believed.

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>MUHH AiQue
Fycking hell Peterson is a huge faggot
Why does he always jerk it over it so much, is it that he scored high and chose to define themselves now as THE THOP PERCUNT of Pepuhl because of that? Is this faggot severely narcissistic?

Doesn't he know about neuroplasticity and that newest research suggests that willpower is in fact the biggest predictor of success per Roy F Baumeister ( whos a Prof too but doesn't plaster it all over himself like some snobbish day)

Is he seriously suggesting that if you take an IQ test , sleeping like shits eating shit, not ever doing intellectual work , being a severely neurotic cunt that loses it under the ticking timer on a given testphase, don't matter and if these factors contribute to your score they are ignorable?
Gtfo

Taking a real IQ test (not internet meme test) it's like a maths test, you still could've catched a bad day and failed it


Why doesn't he mention that you need to take the test at least TRICE years apart to have reliable measure
That fatalistic mental masturbation is seriously annoying

>Inb4, brainlet: pic related

>>140308189
proof?

>>140308037
His descendents are also jews so their iq average is higher by default.

>>140307422
I'm not a geneticist (though neither are you) and so I obviously may not be correct.
The way I look at it though is that a 130 IQ nigger is very "unstable". As in they needed a relatively lucky set of genes to be expressed to reach that level of intelligence. A 130 IQ white on the other hand is more "stable" at 130 IQ, since if they were as equally lucky as the nig, their IQ would have been 145.
This is just the way I think of the regression to the mean thing, you could be right though, it might make no difference, I've never seen evidence for or against it.

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>>140308139
>he's bullshitting
>bullshitting
Yeah, that's it. It's only possible that HE might be bullshitting.

>>140308037
And you've proven my point. The descendants of one of the greatest scientists to walk the earth are obscure professors.

>>140308275
>failing an iq test
brainlet confirmed

>>140308287
Whatever that one international test is. But it groups "asians" together

How does /jbpol/ feel about Hitler?

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>>140308275
mr. kraut you are among the lower caliber of minds to browse this site if that manner of score was the best you could accomplish on some shitty mickey mouse online exam

>>140308462
Learn to read spastic

Also for edgy faggots like yourself I added pic related
Score higher and come at me .

By failing I meant scoring badly- under 100
Peterson suggest that if you take it once in your life and if you fuck it up Wich can very well be due to the factory I mentioned you should basically kys (,aka you'll never be successfully you limited etc etc muh brains)

>>140297644
Who?

>>140307270
Just google it you fucking retard, he's right.
>If what you say is true we would still be ape-creatures living in trees because every population every would "regress to the mean" in intelligence every generation.
>in every generation
You utter moron. A generation isn't a select group. There is no luck, no unlikely degree of recessive gene expression.

>>140308723
you sir, are clearly a low iq suburban and/or urban retard

>>140308625
Let's see you score, Dogfucker

Also
>Ad hominem
Address my argument and take Petersons cock out of your mind

>>140308875
Spoken like a true libshits cucklord

Lay down the edge, soyboy, your GFs bull may get annoyed

>>140308388
Well to your point of view we could both be bullshitting and there's no way we can prove either of us is telling the truth as I have previously mention that my scores are locked away and the other anon is unknown as to whether or not he can provide evidence. The burden of proof does fall on us but since we do not have that evidence, we can be dismissed easily. But looking at this from my perspective and memory one can see that I am telling the truth. Of course it is currently impossible for you to look into my memories so we cannot use that. To be fair, this is /pol/, we're all really just characters on an anonymous forum and maybe none of this should be taken seriously at all.

>>140298479
In my experience IQ grows with thinking critically. If you're surrounded by those that think critically, and it encourages you to think critically if you want to compete for influence, then you'll grow more IQ. Genetics also influences your base IQ platform though.

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>>140309175
deep, bro

>>140308275
You seem angry.
The reason to study intelligence is to understand the causes of variability in human achievement.
Liberal IQ-denialists search high and low for explanations like the the ones you cite: Nutrition, exercise, frequency of intellectual work, et cetera. None of them explain why their little niglets cannot into math. They refuse to see the world as it is.
This sort of delusion doesn't lead to good outcomes, either for individuals or for society.

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>>140309046
Say that to my face, faggot, and not online, mate, Oi'll sock ya', y'know wot

IQ: 160
Bench: 248
DL: 390

get at me faggots.

>>140308723
>Peterson suggest that if you take it once in your life and if you fuck it up Wich can very well be due to the factory I mentioned you should basically kys (,aka you'll never be successfully you limited etc etc muh brains)

I don't ever remember him saying this. If you fucked up once because you didn't get enough sleep then just re-test a few more times to get an average.

If you have a low score because you are constantly fucking up over multiple tests, than it means that you're also constantly fucking up over your entire life and everything you do. There's no sense in arguing about the tests conditions then, because you're just a constant fuck up regardless.

>>140302557
Wisdom is applying experiences and handed-down knowledge in a way that makes you more apt at the situation called for. Intelligence is your ability to learn new things. They're different.

LMAO why are these so many low iq spastics in this thread?

listened to this guy. my iq dropped, testosterone leves reduced. never again

>>140309880
Similarly, scales don't account for weight variability due to water retention and so on. Yet obesity is still a thing.
>>140310231
Don't know what you're talking about, I thought everyone scored 182.

>>140308486

So? Whites get grouped together.

>>140301109
I'll put IQ this way. Your IQ peaks around 19-25 and just keeps going down after that. If you're not putting any intelligence you have to good use by the time you're say 30, you're really not worth any more than some dipshit. In fact, you're worth LESS than some dipshits.

>>140310475
>everyone scored 182
>2 people
Wut?

>>140309452
>Nutrition, exercise, frequency of intellectual work, et cetera.

Well, if you're incapable of taking care of your own body such that you always get low scores on IQ tests, maybe that is exactly what the IQ test is measuring and you are getting exactly the score you deserve for being such an incompetent human.

>why their little niglets cannot into math
If we're talking about malnourished or abused children who have stunted brain growth, that is a very different matter.

>>140308275
>He thinks 124 is high

What was that about mental masterbation again?

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>>140310686
Oh nice I got a new id
Pic related is proof of me being me

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>>140297644
>IN FOR A PENNY IN FOR A POUND!

>>140310722
Of course intelligence can be degraded by abuse and neglect. The point is that it's very hard to increase intelligence above what seems to be an innate baseline by manipulating these factors. This is why early childhood interventions fail. Just watch the linked video.

>>140297644

I think he knows what's up.
He might be losing relevance.
Everyone knows IQ doesn't mean shit.

Not on your medical records=not important

>>140297644
Its so radically different watching non proclaimed race realist ppl talk about IQ. They bring empathy to the topic which makes it so depressing when they discuss it compared to your Jared Taylor types who basically go on about "lol niggers are dumb and the hwite man smart".

>>140310875
>He thinks 124, isn't high
What was that about mental masterbation again?
>>140309880
Yes that's precisely what I said.
To be reliable you have to reset multiple times
I don't dispute IQ , I disagree with Petersons limited and fatalistic approach to it

He didn't once mention to take control tests to account for external factors, he just act that they don't even exist

>>140309452
I don't disagree with anything you said and never did
I believe in IQ but not in Petersons aspie approach to it.

>>140304577
i used to think that to but calming the mind is pleasurable

>>140311264
>They bring empathy to the topic

Well, it's like talking about a class of people who are born with congenital heart disease or something.

>>140306173
long story. i meant like super long sleep deprivation over a year. but def sleep deprivation short term if i dont sleep for 30+ hours my mind works on overdrive because it never stopped it just kept going on thinking for 30+ hours stimulating neurons and stuff but this depends on the person. if you arent a thinker and do nothing but thumb your ass for 30 hours then it wouldnt exactly stimulate the mind. so i think listening to jordan peterson talk for 20 hours would be equivalent of sleep deprviation im talking about

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>>140297644
>I.Q.
>developed to test KIDS -- ONLY
>as culturally a biased testing regime as could ever be conceived
>means literally nothing, without the sublimation of POTENTIAL intellect

this tween meme for drooling 'tards, really needs to die like burgerland is about to...

>>140311294
124 is borderline free thought

>>140311294
I remember Peterson bringing up external factors and I think it was Haier who was more dismissive. Not going to scrub through the whole video to find it though.
Probably he's playing a bit loose with the language because he's read all the literature and it turns out that stuff just doesn't matter very much.

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>>140311814
>culturally biased

>>140311637
Well ofc stimulating the mind for a higher percentage of your life will increase IQ. But there are consequences.

>>140309222
definately i'm ENTP critical about everything until i get bored with it and then onto the next subject

>>140311960
like what. depression? lol

>>140311814
>as culturally a biased testing regime as could ever be conceived
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
kys faggot

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>>140304128

Breathe, anon. Iiiiiiiinnnn...and ouuuuuuuuttt. Let go of your anger.

>>140312094
Various mental disorders can develop, and you're going to keep your brain from critical rest. This may in the long term affect evolution to where your descendants will more likely be able to rest less, but in the short term expect things like memory loss, as that's what is happening to my brother who is also depriving himself of sleep long term. As your brain gains more memory, it'll have to push out other things because it can only grow so much, and sleep encourages brain growth. You can also die from not resting for several days.

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>>140312094
dementia befell a man as intelligent as neitzsche well and early in his life. a highly developed brain is a double edged sword in many regards.

for instance, while jews might typically perform better on intelligence quotient examinations than the average population, they as a population/ethnic group are afflicted by completely disproportionate rates of neurological disease and disorders.

>>140312555
sup, Lamarck

>>140301986
/thread

There is no credible argument to the contrary.

>>140312653
Who?

>>140311814
>as culturally a biased testing regime as could ever be conceived

You've never taken an IQ test have you? Here are some example test questions:
1) Tester says a string of numbers, you repeat back as many numbers as you can remember.
2) Use patterned blocks to created the picture shown by the tester.
3) You are shown a picture of a tree with a sunrise in the background. Identify what is missing (tree's shadow).

I guess you could say it is culturally biased, if your culture is being a barely sentient dog monkey.

>>140311511
Yeah, that's exactly what i'm talking about. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in the race realist crowd approach the topic in that way, which threw me off guard while watching Peterson and the guy he's interviewing. Usually, especially on /pol/, IQ is just referenced to bully niggers and justify hatred for them. But while watching this, I'm looking at the whole subject differently. Its starting to become real apparent how deterministic we are and how we have little to no control over those deterministic qualities about us. Shit, I think i'm having an existential crisis the more I think about this.

>>140312999

Stefan Molyneux approaches the problem this way, which is where I got the congenital heart disease example from.

His solution is for us to come face to the face with genetic intelligence the same way we approach other genetic variability like diseases, height, attractiveness, etc... You do not tell a short man he can be a basketball star.

>>140312653
>>140312839
Lamark pitched that enviromental effects had phenotypically heritable effects, as opposed to Darwin's genes. Epigenetics means both are right but Lamarkian genetics is inconsistant as all fuck

>>140313518
Yeah, I specifically mentioned being able to improve IQ, but also inheriting a base IQ platform from your ancestors. Epigenetics are closer to truth than Darwin or Lamarck.

>>140312613
Nietzsche is unique case, though. Take Peirce, Tesla, Newton, Hamilton, Tolstoy, etc
They were all eccentrics, but mentally healthy to the end of their lives.

>>140312613
Yeah it comes with the terrirtory but with mental health diet is key. Serious

>>140313502
Nah, Stefan approaches it like a fetish by constantly injecting it into inappropriate convos like the time when he was talking to Douglas Murry or Walter Williams. In contrast, Peterson had a real genuine sense of hurt when talking about how immutable G seems to be. I never got that from watching Stefan talk about the topic, instead, it seems he was attracted more to the taboo of the subject.

> leaf intellectuals

>>140314056
Newton was not a very average guy by any real existing yardsticks were you to read into him a bit (to my most earnest of knowledge). Fully aware that very gifted individuals can exist in healthy fashions despite any predisposed instabilities but people's intellect can and often does get the better of them.

>>140314329
Yeah Stephan is a nigger. How do we find our our g force

>>140314411
I'd say he wasn't any more eccentric than your average arcanine user. And Nietzsche's deterioration was caused by syphilis, wasn't it?

>>140297644
https://youtu.be/sVvSSmYra1Y

>>140302213
1460/1600
IQ: 130

>>140314577
i'm not certain as to neitzsche's dementia being pinned concretely on any one factor in particular. I'd like to think that he quite actually thought himself into a hole he could not get out of one day and simply deteriorated from that point forward but it's more likely to have had adverse biological cause of some form.

bright candles burn quickly and all that.

>>140306498
>Uselessential

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>>140297644

>>140315072
My bad, it's one of my word combinations I'll do sometimes irl. Means essentially useless.

>>140311957
>Hunter gatherers are somehow more dumber than the people with severe mental retardation
I don't buy it

>>140315641
>more dumber
and a bix nood to you too mofugga

>>140314329
agreed

>>140314729
You're a dumb nigger who just doesn't understand what he's saying. He's not accepting the blank slate perspective in the second clip, he's saying that all though they have a biological predisposition towards aggression, they can be conditioned to channel that aggression to the use of society. How the fuck do you not see this?

>>140306173
It actually increases awareness, pretty sure it's been studied

>>140298479
Charles Murray explained the IQ/success correlation very well using the example of NFL offensive lineman.

You need to be 300+lbs to be an NFL offensive lineman, but being 300+lbs doesn't mean you're automatically going to be an NFL o lineman.

>>140297644
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JOIqkh2ms8
Was he right?

>>140318549
I'll tell you in an hour

>>140318549
Buckley's such a smug cunt here. Yes, Shockley was right

>>140321490
So, what can we do about it?

>>140322124
Push for the same policies.
Compulsory sterilization in exchange for any form of welfare, elimination of all affirmative action policies, European preferred immigration policy, and elimination of all government meandering in diversification of education and business.

The demographic problem will self correct if we institute all of the above in about 60 years

>>140322767
Do you think that's realistic? Back then there was no chance for such policies but they could still discuss it on national tv. Now even that is impossible.

>>140298479
according to Peterson you need to be in that 10% to pursue any type of surgical field.
I doubt I'm in that range, thou all the meme IQ tests I have taken online have me on the 110-115 range, I'm pretty sure realistically I'm in the 100-105 range.

hopefully I'm not so much of a brainlet that I regret any decisions.

You can't both be intelligent and browse /pol/

>>140323293
Back then it was a rational hypothesis to hold that the discrepancies in Intelligence, incarceration, poverty, obesity, etc were all heavily influenced by environmental factors. It's been 60 years of not only flattening the potentiality of outcome across ethnic lines, but attempting to artificially propagate the African American community up on it's own two legs. These disparities are not only not shrinking, their being exasperated.
Yeah, I think it's going to be reasonable policy in the future.

>>140323600
>according to Peterson you need to be in that 10% to pursue any type of surgical field.
Fucking bullshit. Let's be honest, being some type of doctor is by far the most over rated profession in terms of intelligence required. It is all memorization, nothing wrong with that but it is harmful to put doctors on such a pedestal.

>>140307955
It's funny though, Feynman said that at the time his IQ was tested around age 20 or so, it was about 124 which is high but not exceptional considering he is deemed to be one of the geniuses of the 20th century

>has the jew on JRE talk about how we are coded biologically to preserve our ethnic group
>says Hitler isn't all a bad guy
>carefully confirms that Jews hold position of power
>carefully confirms that there are racial IQ differences and so far there is nothing we can do about it apart from taking control of your life and be the best you can be

He just don't want to reveal his power level and lose everything good he built so far for him and for everyone that needs guidance

I've always felt like I'm smarter than most peope around me. Everyone just seems very intellectually lazy.
Is my IQ high or am I being delusional?

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>>140324367
it is, probably. At least that's what I like to think about myself concerning this.

>>140324290
>tfw a guy from the audience asks him why Jews are over-represented in academia
>Peterson says he hasn't read 200 years together by Solshenitzyn because it hasn't been translated yet
>doesn't want to answer the question because he believes 'he might slip up'

Is Peterson /ourguy/?

>>140297644
I don't care about Jordan Peterson. I see his minions and worshipers all the fucking time. But I never bothered to look into him, this spic doesn't seem interesting. Please stop making Jordan Peterson threads. Thank you for your compliance.

>>140324438
>>140324551
I admire how careful he is with his words man, he is subtle as the image says with the redpills and people always respect when he doesn't want to answer questions

>>140324367
If you just hate when people disagree with you, your'e stupid. If you notice the mistakes others are making in their thought process and you can't seem to get them to understand, you're smart.

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>>140324887
>But I never bothered to look into him
>this spic doesn't seem interesting

>>140324887
You can just ignore the thread you nigger, if you don't realize the value a person like him represents among the degeneracy we have everywhere you are wasting your time

>>140323949
hope you are right anon.

>>140324962
He is a weak man though, can't take him seriously when he looks and sound like a scared faggot.

>>140324949
>If you just hate when people disagree with you, your'e stupid
Absolutely not. I love it when people disagree with me. I enjoy debating people.
What I do hate however is when people ignore my points, or use unfair tactics to "win" an argument. It's as if they know they are losing but are too stubborn to admit it.

>>140325074
Who do you model your outlook after? Kimbo "nigger" Slice?

>>140297644
I just realized Jonathan is MEWING during the latest Joe Rogan podcast.

>>140301986
>The science is settled

Science is never settled, anon.

>>140325158
Peterson looks and sounds even worse than the people he criticizes. At least Kimbo Slice didn't have a patreon begging for money.

>>140325979
So this intellectual wannabe Jordan is an e-beggar?

>>140326212
Yep, $61k a month for videos about "profound psychological ideas" aka pseudoscience

>>140326773
>>140325979
he gets paid for the risks he took

>>140326815
>professor, probably tenured
>risks
Pick one kike cocksucker

>>140326866
>canada
>turning into commie hell hole
>not taking risks

he almost lost everything speaking out against the post modernists

>>140301867
Affair, adopted or your overestimating yourself

You can be somewhat smarter but not night and day difference

If there's a big educational gap will be noticeable too, but that's not the same thing as intelligence

>>140326212
Why don't you watch a short video of his and make up your mind, he is not an e beggar

>>140306751
This is just spite now, there are superior people in all groups, just less in some than others

>>140326815
I think he's good, his stuff is valid if quite strange in topic matter sometimes, but I am concerned the Patreon will go to his head. It's possible he will descend into saying crowd pleasing self help style stuff to keep the cash flowing and not court controversy with his fans etc

Not saying that has happened, I'm just concerned it may in the future. Maps of Meaning is excellent

>>140298479

Will playing Portal increase my IQ?

>>140297644

Peterson on Joe Rogan was the most redpilled stuff on IQ I have ever heard in the mainstream media

He avoided race but laid out as much as he could

The Overton window is slowly moving

>>140305199
>what do
Learn a trade and hope we kill mass immigration

>>140298479
you're not smart, you're just autistic

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I love how absolutely no one, not even highly trained scientists working in the field of biology, will admit the most glaring determinant of IQ is race.

One person is black, one person is white. You can guess with an accuracy of 90 fucking PERCENT who has the higher IQ just by the colour of their fucking skin.

>>140301563
Women always give more genetics than men do. Men are never the majority.

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Threadly reminder.

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>>140298479

That's as if being a footfag is high IQ because you won't get STDs?

Or, that being gay is low IQ since you increase your chances of getting an STD?

Seems legit.

>>140324984

Ha I hope that is the case too. As far as I know my IQ is around 110ish? Maybe a bit lower. 107?
Certainly average anyway. I'd like to get into the medical field though either as general surgeon or psychiatrist

Peterson is a pseudo-intellectual joker.

He knows nothing about postmodernism, he just projects his own insecurities onto it, akin to the "cultural marxist" conspiracy theory.

But I guess if you're a clueless college dropout who need a so-so masculine figure to replace your deadbeat/absent father, go ahead and let him tell you about muh dragons and heroes and then tuck you into bed.

>>140333272
>go ahead and let him tell you about muh dragons and heroes and then tuck you into bed.
yeah but what is wrong with that?
he sounds like kermit having some serious thoughts :3

>>140333272
>He knows nothing about postmodernism, he just projects his own insecurities onto it
What's the distinction between his postmodernism and your postmodernism?

>>140333272
dumb commie thinks he's smarter than jordan peterson, lol

>>140333272
>t.bloody Marxist

>>140324240
Because of a poor score on the verbal portion. He scored crazy fucking high on the spatial portion (most relevant for maths/physics), 150 or some shit like that. Most nobel prize winners(that have been scored) place around 160 aggregate, but then again most people get a pretty uniform score across the board.

Feynman scored about as high as you'd expect in the relevant portion.

>>140333272
I love when daddy talks to me about dragons and heroes.

Also you're a bloody marxist.

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>>140333272
a shallow dismissal of his arguments is not an effective counter.

try again, commie scum

>>140326815
>>140326866
The university took away his funding you stupid fucks.

>>140308749
>>140308383
You still haven't provided a mechanism for regression to the mean that means blacks no matter how you sexually select or implement eugenics regress to the mean but intelligence still somehow naturally evolved
Literally the only arguments supporting it would involve either creationism or whites/asians are super special and it doesn't apply to them for some reason ( also creationism )

>>140336458
>The university took away his funding you stupid fucks.
Not to take away from your otherwise correct point, but it was government funding (Social Science and Humanities Research Council) not direct university funding

>>140336580
Since you won't fucking google it and read a single goddamn paragraph on wikipedia or genetics for dummies I'll fucking spell it out for you.

Exceptional individuals are, by definition, fucking exceptional. They're lucky sons of bitches. For a highly polygenic trait like intelligence or height with plenty of recessive genes contributing that means if you select for exceptional people they'll express far more of the genes affecting that particular trait than the general population. Including the recessive ones. Again, they are lucky fucking people, you picked the exceptions. Their offspring aren't. They aren't a select group, they aren't lucky. The genetic code of their parents is scrambled and it's a randomized shitshow. Some are lucky, some are not, the average is neither. The more exceptional the group you select, the more luck plays a part. The greater the regression towards the mean. The black average is lower(2 sd is HUGE), so the regression will be greater.

This applies to every single fucking polygenic trait with recessive contributant genes. And no, you fucking retard don't say it again because I'm not explaining this to your retarded, lazy ass again. This does not make selective breeding, or evolution impossible. It's a first-generation effect. The first generation will have a stable mean(but closer to the mean of the original population) if it remains isolated since you already sorted out the fucking luck.

They knew this shit before we had any idea about DNA for fuck sake, this is very fucking basic breeding. It's not a new idea or at all complicated. You stubborn fucking idiot.