Is she wrong?

>>140272059
>she

>>140272059
>she

>>140272059
>she

>>140272059
>she

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>Rainbow flag
>Hammer and sickle

>>140272059
She is wrong because heterosexual is the default setting.

kek, he/she

>>140272059
>xhe

>>140272059
>she

Yes it does actually. This is why people don't like sex ed early regardless

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>>140272467

>>140272059
No

"Heterosexuality isn't a thing
Sexuality in the sense that these fags understand it is not a thing
To be interested in straight sex and thereby procreation is called being a sane human

>>140272059
A child below 10ish shouldn't be having any of these thoughts in the first place

>>140272481
How so?

>>140272059
>she

>>140272059
>she

>>140272059
"She" isn't wrong. An 8 year old that wants to plow Princess Daisy in a racing queen uniform isn't raised right. Getting an erection sure, but not full on sex.

>>140272656
How does it differ from a child wearing clothing of the same gender?

>>140272059
Yes she is wrong. Sex is for breeding and is therefore the default natural orientation.

>>140272059
Yes he's wrong, because the kids who say they're gay or the opposite gender are being pressured by their parents from an early age to behave that way. These people force their boys to play with dolls and wear dresses and their girls to wear pants and play with trucks.

>>140272671
Elementary my dear Watson. God.

>>140272059
it's wrong because a gay child who is raised to be straight can still contribute to society with that mistake. a straight child programmed to be a gay will never have children and cant contribute to society

She licked pussy as a little girl.

>>140272059
Instead of he or she you shall refer to people as Schlee. Instead of him or her it shall be shler.

>>140272671
Explain how it isn't, then I'll entertain your stupid ass devil's advocacy.

>it

>>140272837
>she

She is 100% correct all you cis white males should take note

>>140272671
It's literally programmed into our dna
Everyone is hetero until something interferes with that programming

>>140272671
>thisisbait.jpg

>>140272863
xorry xir, that's not the right xronoun

Your job as a parent is to fucking guide your children, it's not difficult

>daddy can I wear a dress
>no son you are a boy
>oh okay
>daddy can I eat ice cream for breakfast
>no son that's not healthy
>oh okay

They'll literally figure out they like the opposite sex on their own, besides the gay ones who are rare as hell when raised without a political agenda

>>140272671
gays are a minority

>>140272481
/thread
fucking commie faggots

>>140272837
Hope you have pictures to share


nigger

>>140272827
>>140272890
>>140273014
>>140273028
>>140273131
Plenty of children are gender fluid and are homosexual, how is heterosexuality the 'default' settings? That's just heteronormative judgement. You have to prove why it is.

>>140272059
Sexual "orientation" does not exist. Homosexuality and heterosexuality do not exist. There is only normal sexual behavior and deviant sexual behavior.

The only biologically correct pairing of the sexes is male with female. Gay/lesbian sex is just hedonistic fetishism, and someone who is exclusively gay or lesbian is mentally ill.

>>140273507
morality is subjective.

>>140273298
>how is heterosexuality the 'default' settings?

Because that's how species maintain a population you fucking retard.

>>140273298
>genderfluid
doesn't exist xir

>>140272059
>this is profound rhetoric that causes mass outpourings of public support in 2017

>>140272481
Because humans are highly varied creatures who really don't have any "default" settings. To say that they did would be to imply that there is, theoretically, some particular idealized model of a human of which all others are variants. Can you see why that doesn't make sense?

"Default" implies that anything aside from default has been altered somehow, that all non-straight people were straight at some point, or that everyone is straight until proven otherwise.

For the same reason that it's wrong (not even just morally; it's incorrect) to believe that there's a default race or sex: people can have their various opinions on what an "ideal" human looks and acts like, but they'll all be different. There's nothing empirical about any of them.

>>140272059
>she

>>140273298
>That's just heteronormative judgement. You have to prove why it is.
is there an heteroabnormative status?

>>140273582
Why does the logic not apply?

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>>140272059
Could it be, that /pol/ has been BTFO for the millionth time, and can finally see why most intelligent people don't like them?

>>140273637
heterosexuality is how a species maintains a population. if it wasn't "default" the human species would die out. retard

>>140273573
He never mentioned morality, though

>>140273856
>There is only normal sexual behavior and deviant sexual behavior.

subjective

Can anyone here actually concisely disprove this persons logic?

>>140273573
>The only biologically correct pairing of the sexes is male with female.
Great job ignoring this point, faggot.

>>140273298
How is being a human without Down Syndrome the default setting?

Maybe it's because the great majority of the population doesn't have down syndrome?

>>140272671
might have something to do with reproducing, but you know, biology it's just white supremacy bullshit right?

>>140273028
>"An opinion that I don't support? I'll just call it bait xddd"

>>140274005
>equating down syndrome to homosexuality

>>140273833
This.
Plants are some of the most basic organisms on earth and default to male and female breeding
Most fruits and veggies we eat have seeds in them, go figure
homosexuality is just another jew ploy to convince people not to breed

>>140273975
Not everyone wants to have children.

>>140274101
They are both mental illnesses, yes.

>>140272059

Why are you such a fucking nigger posting these nigger IQ tier bait threads. FFS just stop you pathetic kike.

SAGE

>>140274110
Homosexuality has been prevalent since the dawn, are you really going to dismiss it as a recent phenomenon?
>>140274210
not since the 50s.

>>140273972
>gets BTFO'd
>ignores it
>"can someone acually disprove >her logic"

>>140274158
well we don't need them in the gene pool then

>>140273972
considering I started masturbating to that big-titty girl at age ten, probably not.

>>140273298
>how is heterosexuality the 'default' settings?

Where's the evidence showing homosexuality increasing the population?

>>140274158
>Not everyone wants to have children.
We wouldn't be here if 99% of all human beings didn't engage in heterosexual procreation, as it's the only natural way to create future generations.
Weak b8, bong. Not even a limey faggot is this stupid.
3/10

>mental illness

>>140274299
Increasing the population is certainly not the motive as of now as we're experiencing overpopulation.

>>140273637
If there is nothing wrong with homosexuality then it would be fine if the entire human race became or was born gay right? Wrong, the human race would die out, so yes it is the "default" for humans because one of our greatest biological impulse is to breed and continue our species. Stupid ass island monkey

Considering being gay literally isn't real, the answer to your question is yes.

>>140272059
Yes, it applies to kids who haven't hit puberty who openly say they're straight.
I remember the way kids on the playground in primary school engaged in dirty talk, probably imitating older siblings or careless parents, and in retrospect it's fucking comical. Those kids didn't know what they were talking about, they just managed to sense that certain talk about "naughty bits" was taboo and they felt edgy, rebellious and cool talking about fuckin willies and fannies and bodily fluids and weird fucking accounts of, how do I put it, I remember this one time kids talking about imagining some woman giving birth and having a baby fly out her cunt as she raced a quad bike round a dirt track, what the fuck is that all about?
Kids do not know their sexual orientation, straight or gay, full stop, and I would admonish parents who show their 8 year old sons porn or titty mags as much as I would admonish parents who expose their 8 year old sons to the half naked, dildo waving BDSM carnivals that take place in pride parades.
Stop involving kids with sexual stuff, period.

>>140272059

you're allowed to feel that way

however you aren't done developing sexually till at least 20-25

>>140272059
No, because mentally ill people don't know they're mentally ill. A child would have to be brainwashed by kike media or kikey parents to believe that they're gay.

>>140274436
It's ok for some people to be gay, not all people are going to be gay, stupid.

>>140274430
>7 billion people on earth
>all decide we have enough people
>no one breeds
>human race dies out

>>140272059
POL btfo again.

What's funny is all the repressed /pol/ tards trying to deny it.

>>140274537
thats not gonna happen, fool

>>140274430
>overpopulation meme
>let's send aid to aprefrica and take in refugees
Yeah, I'm not buying it.

>>140273298
We don't have to prove anything. Stop replying to this fucking faggot what is wrong with the people here?

You don't have a fucking argument. We don't have to debate anything. There is nothing to prove. Homosexuality is not natural and gender fluidity is a made up term that doesn't exist. Everyone is heterosexual and if you aren't you have something wrong with you. Kids think they're heterosexual because that's what everyone has been forever and all of history.

SAGE

Teaching gender identity to any child, especially under 13, is child abuse.
>causes harm to a child akin to rape
>thrown in prison as a rapis

In the context of traditional morals, (s)he is right. 13 y.o. children aren't supposed to have sexual orientation or to have sexuality as part of their identity. That said, they are supposed to have in their mind some model of sex (boys have penises, girls have vaginas) and family (dad loved mom and then kids appear). Now, I would prefer my kids to first learn a simple model of a normal human body and a normal family and learn the corner cases later by themselves. Seems that fags want quite the opposite.

>>140272059
Yes.. heterosexual children doesnt exist 'cus they are not sexually attracted to anything until they are a little older...

>>140274254

It's a birth defect. No different than a cleft lip.

>>140274430
>Increasing the population is certainly not the motive as of now

Why is your country being overrun by brown people then?

>>140274642
if heterosexuality wasn't "default", we wouldn't even have 7 billion people on earth. retard

>>140273637
>Can you see why that doesn't make sense?
No. You are wrong and stupid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_%28biology%29

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>>140272671

>>140273298
So what you're suggesting is that we should start believing that it's completely normal to stick your dick into another man's anus, because you find that attractive, while it shouldn't be considered normal to stick it into a woman's vagina for reproductive/attraction reasons.

>>140274531
Do you admit it's a mental illness then? Since it's obviously not how you are supposed to be wired because you cannot continue your species?

>>140273637
>>140273298
>>140272671
>>140273637

Listen here, you silver-tongued kike. Heterosexuality IS the default setting, because it's literally how the human species propagates and doesn't die out. This is millions of years if evidence. Even if asexuality/homosexuality/heterosexuality/bisexuality were an even 25% split 4 ways, humans would die out. And that's counting if all heterosexual persons actually reproduced. You even state that OVERPOPULATION is a problem, but then also state that heterosexuality ISN'T the default?!?!? Really joggles my noggle.

TLDR Humans are overwhelmingly heterosexual by default and the mere existence of humans for literally millions and millions of years proves this handily. Into the oven you go.

>>140273507
This. Gay is a fetish.

I have lots of degenerate fetishes but never would I consider parading them around in public.

>>140274642
Just shut the fuck up you stupid nigger. Back to (((Reddit))) where your shilling works.

Nigger IQ tier baiting bullshit. You literally know you're wrong but you're here shilling for shekles for kikes.

>Literally everything scientific proves you're a huge cock sucking faggot who's wrong

>>140273298
youre here arent you?

>>140272059
Yes and don`t know if they have cancer or huntington`s either. They don`t know if they`re fertile. So let`s assume they`re normal until proven otherwise.

>>140272059
>biology isn't real

>>140273298
T. gay pedophile

>>140274254
So have all other genetic defects, like downs syndrome. Holy shit how are you so dense?

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>>140272671

>>140272059

well, yes, lots of gay people dont "realize" (admit it to themselves) that they're gay until they're teenagers/adults and would falsly say they are heterosexual

but to be honest its usually obvious as fuck when a kid is gay since they, well, act like gays lmao

>>140272671
>we believe in science and evolution, not God, which is why we deny that animals have a biological inclination to reproduce and just like to shove their dicks in butts

>>140272059
A child below 13 shouldn't be talking about sex at all. Stop being a shitty parent.

>>140272629
This. I'm going to be actively cooling any sex drive, not cheerleading it. I would honestly be disappointed if my kid formed his identity on who he fucked unless he was pulling mega pussy.

>>140274254
So do you really think that for something to be considered a mental illness, it has to be recent phenomenon? Also, I can tell that you're mentally ill.

>>140272059
>she

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>>140272059
Homosexuality cannot be a sexual orientation. You cannot reproduce with a person of the same sex: it is therefore a sexual paraphilia. Sage.

>>140274939
Nah gay is a real disorder, though more are brainwashed (read raped) into it than born that way.

Just watch how much trouble a gay guy has to have straight sex: https://efukt.com/21371_Homo_Attempts_Straight_Porn.html

>>140275156
tell that to canada, teaching sex ed(mainly tranny shit) to kindergartners

>>140272059

"A child has to be ____sexual."

But that's the point, children do not have a sexual element yet, being children.
This guy is fucking mentally ill.

>11,937 retweets

Dog bless you, internet.

>>140272890
why can't they both be the default setting?

>>140275318
>straight sex
reminder that sex = penis in vagina. Using someone's butthole to masturbate is not sex.

>>140273298
Because that how sexual spicies reproduce? Did you take a biology class ever?

>>140272059
A child below 13 has preteen curiosities about ther bodies and the bodys of others. A child of 13 doesn't even understand attraction beyond girls having cooties. A child of 13 is incapable of formulating an original opinion about it's own sexuality and exists soley as part of the flow of its surroundings (aka consumerist America).

Maybe your boy child says they "like Billy". Whatever. A child of 13 doesn't even know how to act on this impulse and will likely move onto heterosexual activities in due course. Proclaiming to be gay is just the new form of teenage rebellion.

>>140272059
Most children have no sexuality, not even a grasp on the concept, and it should remain that way until nature flips on that switch itself.

Teach them:
1. A boy has a penis.
2. A girl has a vulva contining a vagina.
3. One boy sticking his penis in one girl's vagina is how babies are made. That is the purpose of these organs.

Just keep it to plumbing. If they get confused with gay or lesbian ideas, just chuckle a little and say "that's not how the plumbing works!"

It is a sexual paraphilia.

Sage

>>140275495
t. poophole-loophole roasty

never wished for the islamisation of the world to go any faster or hell even communism the first to the gulags would be the tranies and niggers and lgbt

>>140275662
>implying
All forms of sodomy are degenerate.

>>140273637
>Because humans are highly varied creatures who really don't have any "default" settings.
How many hands do you have?

>>140274937
How would they die out of there's a 25% split 4 ways? It really depends on how many kids the heteros and bisexuals get. Not to mention that the homos and the lesbians could do IVF nowadays.

>>140275643
Apparently overt proclamations of "sexual orientation" and "gender" is now one of the core pillars of millennial identity. Actually pathetic. It's because they have no achievements from which to draw self worth.

>>140275643
Will you hide any other sexual knowledge from your non-existent children?

>>140275643
That shouldn't have to be taught, just let them watch porn, let them have fantasies about sex, and once they're old enough to reproduce tell them that they shouldn't cum inside. It's that simple

>>140275495
If I say "oral sex" you know what I mean, even if you autistically want me to use a new word for it.

In regards to rigid classification you`re correct. But that`s not the best kind of correct.

>>140272059
>she

>>140275951
>i-it's OK when we do it in the butt, we'll still be virgins!!

>>140276044
>let your prebuscent kids watch porn

>>140276033
Your preteen son Billy comes to you and says he likes Tommy. You have 2 choices.

>1)hah that's nice. Tommy sounds like a nice kid, you should bring him over
>2)you know Billy, it's totally natural to want to kiss and put Tommy's penis inside of your butthole

Like Jesus Fuck man they're kids.

>>140273004
You should fuck off and die.

>>140273637

That idealized model of a human is God who's image we were created in

>>140272059

Most childrens under 13 don't give a shit about sex and they cringe at it like if it was something alien, specialy if it's homos. Gay faggots and trans are for a hard awakening when they realize that social media won't affect our kids like it is today.

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>>140272059
>she
apologize, it is offended and scared now
are you happy?

>>140273637
Spiders have default programming to build webs. Dogs dig holes. Birds build nests. Turtles migrate. Monkeys groom. Humans have default programming that entices them towards certain behaviors.

>>140276306
That can't possibly go wrong. I started watching porn at a very early age, like 7-10. I was curious about sex afterwards, so I had sex with a girl who I convinced. It felt great, and sadly shortly after she moved away. When I was old enough to reproduce, my mother simply advised me to use a condom, etc... Sex is inevitable, kids will find a way to have sex with other kids, specially when they're teenagers.

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>>140275539
>Proclaiming to be gay is just the new form of teenage rebellion

You are getting old. That`s the old way. The new way is to be pansexual demiqueer genderfluid, or whichever gender pokemon isn`t taken by any of your friends.

>tfw when only 2spirited asexual faunagenderfuzz is left

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>>140276162
It is because the legal and public definition of sex has slowly changed over the years to include oral copulation and sodomy. Sex, by definition, was penis in vagina until (((they))) got ahold of it.

We can turn into godless animalistic heathens if you want.

>>140273298
You're a retarted faggot. Which countries outside western ones even allow this bullshit? I'm sure there's a tonne of "gender fluid" kids in Chechnya and Russia, right?

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>>140272059

When I was a 5 years old in the early 80s, mom had some old dresses in a box, and I used to put them on and run around the house laughing and thinking it was funny. My dad didn't like it and put a stop to it. My mom actually kind of encouraged it because she thought it was funny.
But I grew up into a normal, adult heterosexual male.
Had I been given to one of these liberal fucks as a child? They'd have told me I was a girl because I liked running around the house in dresses for 5 min. They'd have bought me dolls instead of action figures. They'd have given me pony tails.
And I'd have grown into a man who'd have VICIOUSLY HATED THEM for it, if I wasn't totally bent sideways by their liberal bullshit.

>>140276910
I don't think new kids are falling for this shallow tripe. I think it's going to bounce between this tumblr shit and being gay until people start literally questioning whether or not they're human.

>>140272059
I think they're saying. Assume that kids are normal unless they're old enough to know they're lgbt

>>140272059
no she's not wrong. A child, in the 2-6 range, talking about their heterosexuality is also symptomatic of bad parents.

>>140273298
>You have to prove why it is.
literally all of human history until the last few years

>>140276162
Fellatio and cunnilingus aren't new terms. And I'm not autistic, just pedantic ;^)

>>140276283
>i-it's OK when we do it in the butt
literally the opposite of what I said

>we'll still be virgins!!
factual but irrelevant
You're still a virgin if all you do is put dragon dongs in pooper, but you shouldn't do that all the same.

>>140276983
Nah, in trying to produce arguments against your point I find more reasons in favour of your point than against it.

>>140276983
You heard it here folks: all those faggots at the parades who have never been with women are pure virgins because they have never had sex

>>140272059
No, she's right. No prepubescent child should be so awash in identity politics that they explicitly think of themselves as straight or gay.

>>140276901
>muh cummies
Stop using condoms.

Children shouldnt be thinking about sex or attraction.

>>140277116
Yes kids fall for this tripe. Generally not the muslims or christians, just a percentage of the atheists.

And it`s probably more than they openly share with me.

>>140273573
No. Morality is personally subjective (you decide) and socially objective (the world judges). Collectively society wags it's finger to correct instances of immoral behaviour.

>>140277326
Nope, you misunderstood me. They have a sexual paraphilia. The only way they can get off (or claim that it's the only way they can get off) is by taking cock up their ass and sucking dick: most likely because they were abused. I don't understand it.

It's a sexual paraphilia; not a sexual orientation. You cannot reproduce with someone of the same gender.

>>140277100
This. Liberal cucks who allow their children to run around in dresses usually get cheated on by their GF's, they carry beta genes and chromosomes and are not very dominant in bed. Being an alpha husband is all about being able to recognize such behavior as degenerate, putting a stop to said behavior by all means necessary regardless of what your wife or anyone says, and continuing to turn her on with your non-pussy behavior.

>>140276766
>Double Agent
Their example of starting threads with a Republican flag to voice regretting voting for Trump is extremely transparent. Why do they always seem to copy and repeat the same examples over and over again, instead of putting more effort into copying the format?
>Representation Lost
A non-issue for many people here, including non-Americans and people who consider themselves 'blackpilled'.
>Changing the Narrative
Never works. It just doesn't. There's also a problem here in that they often seek to do so by challenging a specific viewpoint that only some people here may hold, or challenging a set of viewpoints that various people here hold as being incongruous, when we're not a hivemind, and different people have different viewpoints. These attempts are not only obvious, but treated as non-issues by some of us, and staunchly opposed by others.
>Mind Shock
Creating slide threads? Unfortunately yes, this one kinda is effective, especially if they create a thread with a topic that gets the interest of a few nerds even though it's largely a non-issue for everyone else, and then those nerds bump it to hell and back.
>Impeachment
Literally don't care. They've cried wolf about progress in impeachment so much, that trying to convince us of a happening is impossible. I won't believe Trump's impeached unless he's already kicked out the WH.
>Dissociation
Avast ye commie faggots! Learn to English. Again, we're not a hivemind so posting "unpleasant alt-righters" is only effective as a slide tactic. Doesn't change our own personal views.

They're really fucking dumb.

>>140277475
I agree,but in this sick world, I`ll make sure I have the initiative over some commie tranny filling my kids brain with lies.

>>140277622
>You cannot reproduce with someone of the same gender.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaguya_(mouse)

Your argument is limited by only a matter of time, friendo.

>>140273738
when a mentally ill aids patient made it up in 2 hours

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>>140277786
I hope the world ends before I ever have to see that applied to humans. Top-tier disgusting.

>>140276033
I have 2 kids, and I didn't encourage them to explore any weird shit. with my younger one some faculty at the middle school tried to open his mind to it, and I clamped down on it when I found out and got him safely past that vulnerable age. The observation about "plumbing" was useful there. It's totally non emotional, not feelings, just objective.

>>140276032
well then make sure they know the right answers and don't get confused by all the values clarification crap.

>>140272467
It's called a useful idiot

>>140278001
>I can't bear to be proven wrong!
pathetic

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>>140272671
because no matter how much you fuck a man in the ass hes not going to get pregnant
dont listen to Alister Crowley
hes a gay liar

>>140274158
Personal desires have nothing to do with biological instantiation.

>>140277786
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

>>140278171
The "right answers" are always going to be socially conditioned which is what is being rebelled against. The true answer is to not be a weak human and put your sense of self worth into something you were born with like race, gender or sexuality. People who feel proud of their race, gender, or sexual outgroup are all the same type of faggot.

>>140277622

>You cannot reproduce with people of the same gender.

Irrelevant.

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>>140272717
? Boys cant ejaculate until their near teens, but they can have sex from birth because that only requires an erection.

Girls are in the same boat minus the ejaculation issue. That said, girls are born with all the eggs they'll ever have. Motherhood thus only becomes an issue of body size. The youngest mother was 5yo after all.

It really just comes down to a matter of penetration.

So, why not teach them about "the birds & bees" from a young age?

>>140276734
If you can find out when the school starts sex ed, it's good if you as parents can get there first and straighten them out about the purpose of the reproductive organs. The school will give the bio. information but may talk about various alternatives. Your role is to make only one of the alternatives seem reasonable.

Don't get all negative. Just explain in a few words why the others don't "work".

Our school didn't explain that HIV was any worse than syphilis. Just that they were both STD's. I explained that HIV is horrible and incurable, when I found out to my amazement that the school left that out. Also that HIV tends to result from anal sex.

Readily available information is enough to debunk the mind-bending, but if you don't say it clearly, they may never hear it clearly.

>>140278490
To clarify: weak human identity with and put stock in their inmate characteristics. It's like being proud over owning legs.

>>140272725
That's not sexual. I was fascinated by my mothers jewelry and fancy things when I was kindergarten age. She just let me play with it until it got boring, The modern degenerate mom would come out on facebook as the mother of a proud trans kindergartner for oppression points. Having a trans kid is so hard you know, everything is a struggle. Please donate to my patreon.

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>>140278520
That isn't irrelevant. You can't jizz in a dude's ass and impregnate him.

Almost puked writing that

>>140278706

It's only relevant if you render down a person's purpose to solely procreation. Since it isn't, then it's an irrelevant point to make.

>>140273637
>To say that they did would be to imply that there is, theoretically, some particular idealized model of a human of which all others are variants. Can you see why that doesn't make sense?

yeah, the one that can reproduce naturally you fucking idiot

>>140277356
Right, because the thought of being gay should not enter their mind.

Do kids think of themselves as five-fingered? No, because pretty much everybody has five fingers per hand. It's not a choice.

>>140277475
Right, but it doesn't hurt them to know that a man comes into a woman and that makes a baby -- rather than thinking the stork brings babies or whatever.

Plumbing. Never hurts to learn the plumbing, leave out the other stuff.

>>140272481
do you retards even look at the image at the top of page 1? its the first fucking picture. strawman. very ez.

>>140275368
I'm still surprised the Muzzies haven't bombed that dyke out east for introducing it in Ontario.
The protests against it by Browns were pretty big.

>>140278467
Tell me how far in that discussion you get with Japan.

>>140278924
Wrong. The very concept of sexual identity is fundamentally inaccessible to a child. And it should not be pushed on them because pushing one way or the other just leaves an avenue for rebellion, which is how teens create their identities.

>>140278659
>It's like being proud over owning legs.
That's a fine thing to be proud of. Having a normal, healthy body is superior to the alternative. If you have nothing else in life, you can make an honest living as an athlete, a physical therapist, a stockboy, a waiter, etc. ad infinitum

>>140272481

Heterosexual is the statistical majority. 'Default' would imply that other sexual orientations are 'deviations' in a moral sense rather than simply in a statistical sense.

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>>140278852
>if you render down a person's purpose to solely procreation.

That is the only thing which is truly relevant in terms of sexuality you hippie.

>>140278852
The primary function of any living thing is reproduction.

>>140279276
so says (you)

>>140279333

Show me the rock this is written on with the blood of a high-born virgin and perhaps I'll concede the point; otherwise it's simply your opinion.

>>140279276

See above.

>>140279226
An athlete actually refines his body to a higher standard. This is an achievement. Simply possessing legs is like possessing a race. You were born with it.

>>140272059
No. BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T BE PUSHING SEXUAL IDEALS ON CHILDREN.

Fucking lgbt are goddamn stealth pedophiles.

>>140279212
No, you don't get it. To have a sexual identity means there's some other identity.

A child can understand that his father was a boy and his mother was a girl, and understand which one he/she is based on genitalia. "You're a girl!" That's all the sexual identity they need, then or later.

>>140279211
That's irrelevant because I'm not Japanese.

>>140279212
The very concept of "sexual identity" is anti-life.

>>140272671
An heterosexual couple conceived you.

>>140279524
And it's better than not having legs, which is an alternative.

>>140279431
>prove to me X is a social construct and I'll concede it's true
Are you high or just stupid?

>>140279537
He/she whatever the fuck isn't arguing for pushing sexual ideas in children, it's saying that just while this homosexualized culture we're living in right now could possibly lead some ''straight" kids to think they're gay, the opposite: heterosexualized culture can lead some "gay" kids to think their straight.

>>140274937
>2017
>still resorting to the naturalistic fallacy

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>>140278690

Also this....
> I was fascinated by my mothers jewelry and fancy things when I was kindergarten age.
Yep. Me too. I used to think it was like treasure or something. Pirate treasure.
But oh no, now days that means I'm a little gay boy! Little gay boy! Wear lipstick too!

>>140272059
'Hetero' and 'Homo' are both extraneous terms that only serve to distinguish normal sexuality from disordered and degenerate gay sexuality. Homosexuality could only be described as normal if both genders could give birth and babies developed in our rectums.

>>140272059
SAGE FAGGOTRY BULLSHIT

>>140279620
Sexuality is a feeling of attraction whereas gender has physical representations of genetic expression. Get real. It's like telling a kid there's only 3 colors and then someone else introduces them to the concept of cyan. Who's he going to believe? Your rigid interpretation of "innate sexuality" or a paradigm that encompasses more of the observable world?

>>140279919
>heterosexualized culture can lead some "gay" kids to think their straight.
"'Gay' kids" is a code word for abused children.

>>140278490
It's not about being proud. It's about being accuate. Look down there and see a dick? You're a boy. What's the purpose of the dick? Well you pee with it. And when you're older, you can make a baby by putting it into what a girl has, which is different, called a vagina.

Here let's look at some pictures of how the plumbing works. (if the child has that much curiosity or attention span.)

There is no alternative. One doesn't stick a dick in some other place. It's not social conditioning. It's plumbing. Teach them that and they'll be immune from social re-conditioning, I hope anyway.

>>140279669
>I'll just dismiss everything that damages my worldview as irrelevant!
No, you aren't an Island and you share this rock with everyone else.

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>>140273298
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>>140279863
If you're proud of having legs over someone who doesn't have legs then you're a faggot. You can feel relieved to not live life as a cripple but feeling "proud" just means you are a pathetic excuse for a human with no achievements to ground yourself in.

>>140280054
He shouldn't be observing those things at that age. If you try to make him observe those things, I will do what I can to make you stop.

Whatever I can do.

My rigid interpretation is also what the plumbing is designed for. But don't bother kids with all the proofs at a young age. Just the answer. At young ages they listen to their parents, even when they don't seem to. Be clear and simple, don't confuse them with alternatives.

>>140279863

Social constructs are not immutable, kiddo. They flow and change from era to era, and society to society. And the best thing about them is that they can be examined and critiqued and changed deliberately.

So even if I were to concede that 'the purpose of life is to reproduce', being a social construct doesn't make it immutable; quite the opposite. It means we can examine its value as a construct in a critical fashion.

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>>140273637
10/10 bait

>>140279431

It's not opinion, its basic nature. Imagine if everyone was born homosex year zero. By year 100 everyone would be dead.

>>140280615

>If things were different, things would be different.

Okay.

>>140280155
Once you say "these are the strict limits of penile use" is when you've just opened up the playing field for exploration beyond your boundaries. If you instead open with "pensises are used for urination and passing seminal fluids for procreation and are a sensitive organ" is about all the objective fact you can place on a child

>>140280026

There are no homosexual or heterosexual children.
Because children are not sexual. They have not developed yet.
Now a child might lean one way or the other towards being attracted to a sex. I was. In kindergarten I used to chase girls and if I caught them they'd kiss me and I liked that. A lot.
Anyways, It wasn't SEX though.
It wasn't exactly SEXUAL because I had no idea what sex really was.
And there's no harm in letting a child just live in their own skin until they start having sexual urges in the extreme around puberty and start ASKING for things they think they NEED.
At that point it's up to the parent to council and provide help.
Forcing gender identity on kids, YES THAT IS WHAT THE LEFT IS DOING, either be hetero or gay child. Choose a sexuality!
A child doesn't even fully realize all the implications of gender. Furthermore, it's not even about a child being gay or not anymore.
If a child has gay tendencies now?
TRANS! The boy is a girl!
What if the kid was just going to be gay?
Why does he have to become a girl too?
Every time?
This is a disease and these parents should be castrated and have their kids removed from their care. It's sick.
Let kids be kids. They can get crazy later.

>>140280686
I didn't tell the child there are limits. I told the child what it's for, where it goes. I didn't make it sound strict, but simple.

>>140279941
Yeah I used to want to have to nail polish on because all my sisters had theirs painted. So I got my big toe painted. My dad was not the happiest when he got home from work that day.

>>140280054

Feelings of attraction are a mental construct. If someone has abnormal feelings ... see where this is leading.

>>140280222
Okay, explain your point. What about the Japanese contradicts the statement that some choices are bad choices?

>>140280249
You can only be proud of what you have. If all you have is your self, with whatever innate characteristics, that's all you're going to be proud of.

>>140280432
He will be exposed to popular culture and the real world where these things are discussed. Or you can homeschool him and when he's 18 he'll go out into the real world and quickly realize that his father's strict world structure does not mesh with reality. Exposure to these ideas is inoculation against them. Define being gay as just another mode of thought. Making it inaccessible makes it enticing.

>>140280993

'Abnormal' is statistical, not moral. Homosexuality is abnormal/deviant in that it is not part of the majority sexual orientation - but this does not tell us anything about its moral value, at all.

>>140280054
>sexuality, attraction
Is a complex thing that you can't simplify into your new made up labels with no tradition. When a developing boy gets random boners while looking at grass grow or watching cartoons the implication should simply be that he's a boy developing into a man not that he might need to start identifying as someone sexually attracted to plants or cartoons. When a man wears women clothes, he's a man in women clothes. If a man chops his dick off he is a man who no longer has a dick.

>>140280851
Totally normal. I like the way paint smells, nail polish has the same thinner. It's fun. If the adults don't lose it, it just becomes a fun episode with your sisters.

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The obsession with sex (decadence) is a distraction that will end the human race before any of this really has any time to fully come into fruition anyway.

Just because there is the prospect of being able to reproduce with another male in the future does not mean you couldn't have just reproduced with a female.

It's pointless hedonism and nothing more.

>big dick straight pov in a bitch is the only porn that matters. the big dick is a turn on because most males are smaller-average, and seeing a big dick in the presence of a female is a sperm competition cue. it turns males on and makes them try harder, in a sense, in order to compete with that "big dick". straight males who watch porn subconsciously "cum" in that girl second.

>sex is solely for reproduction. it's not gay to say that another male is objectively more attractive than another, or is taller, or has a bigger dick than you: that's called accepting reality. it's when you want to start sucking cock and get fucked in the ass when it becomes disgusting. gays are, at their core, males who see something reproducible in another male, but they project their insecurities and neuroses by wanting to have sex with those males.

>gays, I believe, are depressed neurotics who've watched porn in the wrong way and have chosen to remove themselves from the gene pool, and not really try in life.

>they're males who understand, on a primal level, sperm competition/cheating/gangbang facts in a female liberated society, but instead of competing with other males, they want to completely submit. they also have suicidal ideation disproportionately, i would guess.

>that's the most i can make of them.

>>140280993
No I don't actually. Feelings of attraction ARE a mental construct. There's a biological trigger like shape or pheromones but your conscious interpretation of animal desires are very much up to the individual.

>>140272059
*it
Yes, it is wrong.
A boy who's not brainwashed, knows that he is not a girl and due to the fact that he is not sexually mature, most of the time hates girls, that's why boys play with boys.
A boy who is being brainwashed, can be shaped into anything.
E.g. thailand has the ladyboys. Ladyboys are boys, chosen by families who didn't have daughters, and are raised as girls...that's why thais have so many lasyboys.
If they didn't force that little boy into dresses and girly habits, it could've grown up and become a healthy person.
So, a boy and a girl is as sexually aware as his/her maturity allows.
A brainwashed child is like a molested child. It is forced to discover sexuallity outside of his natural way of maturing

>>140281016
>be proud of yourself if that's all you have

This is the exact thing fat fucks say about their bodies. It's an admission of failure and its pathetic

>>140281389

I wouldn't say 'up to the individual', more 'shaped by society'. If I were attracted to guys (dude here), how society (my parents, my friends, pop culture, school, etc.) views that sort of attraction would shape how I react to that attraction, how I process it, if I even process it at all.

>>140280434
>Show me the rock this is written on with the blood of a high-born virgin and perhaps I'll concede the point; otherwise it's simply your opinion.

>Social constructs are not immutable, kiddo.
Make up your mind, retard. Or don't; "social constructs" aren't the issue anyway. "Heterosexuality" is what is normal because humans reproduce sexually.

>>140281120
I don't find those weird ideas in my family neighborhood. All the other families model heterosexual behavior, one man and one woman per house, unless one has died or something.

So it is somewhat simpler for me.

But I am just giving my experience. If you tell the kid the alternatives and which one you want, they'll defy you quite often. If you make them know just the right answer and reasons for it, enough that they know this when the school leaves it out, then I believe they'll choose as their parents did. It can't hurt to let them know in middle school that anal sex is typical of gay men, anal sex spreads HIV more than anything else (blood-blood contact), and that HIV is awful and incurable. Our middle school sex ed conveniently omitted ALL of those facts. What they heard about gay sex was a lot of "tolerance" stuff, nothing about dying a horrible death.

>>140281581

'Normal' is not a moral statement when you're talking about numbers and statistics. Simply saying 'this is the majority' doesn't say anything about whether it is correct or moral.

>>140279922
>fallacy fallacy

>>140272467
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!

>>140281016
>prove something you didn't claim is true
I never said there are no bad choices. I said burying your head in the sand whenever something new comes up is a poor way to live life.
Worldviews are changed as technology evolves. The earth used to be considered the center of the solar system. Similarly, other ways of thinking are valid for (and should be given) criticism. The far-reaching, if not infinite, scope of 'the purpose of life' is another such topic.

>>140272059

Children don't think they're heterosexual. Pre-pubescent children don't think about sexuality at all.

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>>140273637
It's basic biology you fucking retard. A male and a female must mate if they want offspring. It's hardcoded into our DNA. Homosexuals are either mentally imbalanced or have been raised wrong.

>>140280434
whoops, forgot what you were fagging on about.

What life is, is organic things that reproduce. The inclusion of viruses is debatable, but what differentiates living things from, say, rocks and lumber is reproduction.

>>140281134
A boy getting boners around grass will not formulate a personal identity as a grassophile unless it persists into later life.

This is my point: if your son came to you talking about boners and you somehow worm in how boners are only to be used to impregnate women then you're an idiot. Just talk about the physical aspects of boners and lead it up to him to find out why he's attracted to certain things.

>>140272059
Biologically healthy people are heterosexual, without exception.

>>140281541
I think some guys go thru a phase where they find some thing attractive about each sex. This is the dangerous phase when the school will be asking them to choose an identity, before this dies down. I think it can help that they see the purpose of their sexual organs is procreation, and how the plumbing simply works. Then a boy will see that the attraction to a girl is more interesting because he could make babies that way, and that's what his dick is for. Something definite, avoid confusion.

>>140272481

Appeal to nature fallacy.

Go ahead and keep pounding on this anti-LGBT drum like a bunch of fucking backwards sand niggers. You people are just like pro-life cucks that oppose stemming the tide of nigger babies because "i-it's murder..." Christcuckery won't win back the West.

>>140282211
you don't need religion to be against abortion, faggot

>>140281541
They're only bounded by society. Not actually shaped. People have pedophillic tendencies. Other people dress in diapers. Gay dudes Fuck horses. Islamic fuck goats. These activities are actively suppressed by society but the individual still retains his original attractive elements.

Fitting into society is all about suppressing undesirable elements of your psyche

>>140282068

What our body parts are meant to do doesn't tell us what they should be used for.

My fingers are meant to extract nutrients to put in my mouth, fend off predators, defend myself, etc. That's their biological purpose. But I can also use them to create art and poetry and play video games and all sorts of other things.

Appealing to nature as you're doing - appealing to the 'biological purpose' - is insanely reductive.

>>140281649

Yes it's very interesting how SEX EDUCATION and HEALTH classes never seem to go into the dangers of gay sex. Which you think would be a prime part of the fucking class when you're talking about sex health etc.
No talk about irritable bowel syndrome that makes you leak shit and wear a diaper from all the anal sex. No talk about the massive promiscuous nature of gay men, and the incredible correlation to a plethora of STD type diseases. No talk about how the relationships don't tend to last and how depression and societal rejection can cause a far greater rate in suicide.
Nope. Just be tolerant of it. Be tolerant of the mental disease that helps destroy.

>>140281503
Yes, that's because fatties are failures. Being proud of a fat body is being proud of ill health.

>be
What I said was that it's good to be proud of a healthy body, and that people will only be proud of what they have. A failed man will often rationalize his failure as good and noble, which does not make it so.

>>140282354

And the question I'm posing is: is it truly undesirable?

If a grown man and another grown man choose to enter into a consensual sexual relationship, how is that undesirable? Who are they harming?

How about we keep kids away from sexuality in general?

Also.

>>140272059
>she

Libtard thread.

>>140282068
I agree with this sentiment anon. Stick to biogical fact. Stay away from the identity aspect.

>>140282368
and have riveting conversation on a lithuanian glass-blowing forum

>>140282385

What about lesbians, dear? Do they just get a pass? You seem to have a pathological hatred of gay men specifically; have you gotten professional help for it, sweetie?

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This destroys the gay

>Again, science says that men like looking at body parts: tits, ass, feet, and dick. Yes, even straight male porn watchers like seeing big cocks inserted into things and flopping around and shit when there's a female in it.

>This is why you'll find some straight males oddly intrigued by pre-op transsexuals in porn, but would never fuck them. It's merely a curiosity for them, because they look like a girl, but have a dick.

>Dick heads are shaped the way they are in order to shovel out sperm. It's another part of male competition involving females, and males are just obsessed with their dicks, and other men's bigger dicks. This is the underlying reason why males watch porn: because it appeals to their sense of competition. It's also really hot, and also not gay.

Gays are males who've either misunderstood that dick is a sperm competition cue from watching porn incorrectly, or they have deep-set emotional issues from past abuse. The end.

>>140282742

>I say this with no evidence whatsoever.

>>140272059
children shouldn't be any kind of *sexual

>>140281685
>'Normal' is not a moral statement when you're talking about numbers and statistics.
It kind of is when you're talking about natural selection, though. Tradition is valued not necessarily because it's the best, but because it's proven to work barring environmental changes. Morality is derived from nature.

>>140282783
Science studies compiled from different sources. Here's one

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090513802001034

>>140272059
he is correct really. what's frightening is that he thinks that he's constructed a reductio ad absurdum argument. sexuality should be budding or completely dormant below 13

>>140282385
all you listed were dangers of sex in general

>>140282482
The topic of this thread is about the overwhelming noise of "sexual identity". Not whether a particular action is inherrenly undesirable.

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>>140272467
I'd welcome a communist overthrow just to watch these smug assholes get lined up and shot by their fellow communists.

Personally I think I could avoid the gulags myself, but still worth it if I die too.

>>140282368
Reductive, certainly. These are kids, not philosophers.

Insane? I don't think so, if it works, to get them thru values-clarification efforts with the right values and identity intact. A sort of live-and-let-live, "I am a boy, I fuck girls becuase that's what my dick is for, but of course I am tolerant and others can do whatever they want."

>>140282916

Um...no? The STD factor is not nearly as high in the hetero population. You don't get irritable bowel syndrome from hetero sex or you're doing it wrong. The rate of promiscuity is not actually NEARLY as high in hetero men. And society doesn't tend to reject hetero men like they might gay or ESPECIALLY transgender.
So no it's not all the dangers of sex in general you stupid ass. Don't be dumb .

>>140282742
>The end.
Well, not really. Everything you said is not correct. Just because you don't like gay people doesn't mean your drawn up conclusion is fact.

>>140282916
Anal sex literally isn't sex tho

>>140283113
As for myself, I don't dislike gay people per-se. I just don't want my kids to go that way.

>>140283084

>the right values

How do you know they are the right values?

>>140282635
>What about lesbians, dear? Do they just get a pass?

On the issues I discussed yes. Because lesbians don't get irritable bowel syndrome from fucking each other up the ass with dicks. The STD factor is not NEARLY as high with them. I'm not aware promiscuity is quite as high with them either. Likely because men have aggressive sex drives, gay or not.
> You seem to have a pathological hatred of gay men specifically; have you gotten professional help for it, sweetie?
And you seem to have a sort of low IQ problem. I was talking about HEALTH and EMOTIONAL effects. And you call it hatred.
That sounds like a highly emotional response on your part. Have you gotten professional help for it, SWEETIE? I'm just sure you have. Enjoy your mind numbing happy pills. I know you take them. It's obvious.

>>140282368
Exactly. But the gay/bi/straight narrative when applied to children is just like going up to a kid who plays piano and telling him "playing piano with your fingers is what defines you as a person. You are the sum total of your piano playing and you will only find meaning when grouped with other piano players"

>>140283319
They are the values I want them to have on this subject. Sustainable values that won't create friction at school while leading to a secure heterosexual identity.

I am their father. Until they are independent, I am their "god" -- along with my wife. Well lots of caveats to that, and of course the state does things to break that up, but it's biologically normal, and so parents should be able to create more or less that environment.

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>>140283113
Theryn Meyer posted this video after I posted the original video she/he is referencing here. Start halfway through for a summary of the full video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aym1bF2cYJ0

>>140283615

>biologically normal

That's a real nice opinion you have there, slick.

>>140283708
Thank you.

>>140283319
Probably something along the lines of not waving your glittered dick along the streets of SF and fondling other men's junk in public

>>140282017
There is no such thing as a grassophile or a homosexual. Just confused people. The reason boners exist is to impregnate women with, that's all. Being confused or mentally deranged is forgivable but don't preach your confused justifications for your perversions to kids.

It's irrelevant, why do gay people care about a child's sexual orientation?

>>140282742
>>140282864
>a porn article that collected its data from porn sites and is cited by 18 other porn & abortion articles is a scholarly work
you're using the works of Women's Studies audience as your tool for scientific objectivity
>>>/trash/

>>140272059

Yes and no. Children don't know their sexuality.

>>140272481
Citation needed. Humans aren't robots, we don't have "default settings". Everyone is on a spectrum

>>140283897
Man's capacity to separate his natural desires is what sets us apart from animals. It also gives us the capability to define our own standards of conduct. Human consciousness has made everything relative. Appeals to nature seem to simply things, but appeals to nature would have never led us to our current state of civilization. It is our very rejection of nature that is what allows us to live the way we do. Homosexuality and general sexual deviancies may be defined as "confused" but that's just appeal to nature, and nature would say that the entirety of human civilization is confused.

Nice try though.

>>140284261

This whole thing about turning children into trannies, is a stepping stone to pedophilia. There is a special place in hell for you anon.

>>140284050
>child's sexual orientation
they arent even allowed to consent, why does it even matter?

>>140283106
STIs are a danger in all sex, black females are currently the largest growing population for new HIV infection, they definitely aren't getting it from each other
Please show me the rates of IBS that has been verified to be caused by anal
I'd also like to see your sources for your, conveniently, unnamed rates for homo/heterosex. I can tell you right now both are horny sluts.
Social stigma is a multifaceted issue and honestly isn't a valid critique of it in a vacuum
So yes, everything you listed is applicable to both parties in terms of the dangers of sex. Educate yourself.

>>140272059
The Problem is that Children become sexual active during Puberty. Some children act sexual before puberty but this is in most cases linked to Trauma or sexual Abuse.
Long story short Prepubescent children defining their own Sexuality is usually not since they don't have a sex drive to begin with.
This also means that those children dont define their sex based on their own Preferences but due to Parental influence or pressure.
If those children now mature normally they can decide for themselves if they are gay,bi or whatever(Thou to be fair i assume its just as hard for someone who was raised to be gay coming out as straight as it would be the other way around) .
By blocking the Puberty of the children you Permanently screw them up Preventing them from actually finding out for themselves what sexuality they have.
Now being born in the "wrong body" is one thing, but forcing your own child into the wrong body and denying it the way to mature normally is inhuman.
I assume that 10 years from now those children grow up and People can no longer can deny this bs once those children start speaking up about their abuse and start killing themselves or their parents.
And what makes me feel the sickest is that a lot of people would like to stop this but cant due to collective sjw shaming.

>>140284461
> This whole thing about turning children into trannies, is a stepping stone to pedophilia.
EXACTLY. It's not about trans rights or gay rights.
Except to fondle your kids with your child's " consent " ( NO Adult manipulation involved! REALLY! )
It's about sexualizing children to be ready for sex with adults.
Which is why you hear the left every once in awhile bring this out into the mainstream.
Pedophilia is a condition! We should feel sorry for them! We should try to understand them! Is it really wrong?
Gays have always wanted the children. They lust for them as much as they do anything else.
It's because queers are mentally ill and want anything except normal productive sex.

>>140282211

It will. A nation cannot prosper without a good doctrine.

>>140284416
Accepting the validity of logic it self which you are using to make an argument is an "appeal to nature". The abstractions that form human civilization emerge through slow incremental changes. Redefining human sexuality in a few decades based on the destructive ideology of power based class warfare is not helping anyone. Sticking to the basics is what works long term, modern progressives aren't helping us progress by deconstructing our survival mechanisms.

>>140272671
>>140273637
how does a species reproduce and continue its genetic lineage?
christ you liberals are beyond pants on head retarded.

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>>140284416
All of this normalization and push for pedophilia + more will eventually crash society into the ground anyway, so enjoy your weirdness.

Everyone knows you're trying to destroy the West. You have no problem with Muslims even though they stand for nearly the same traditional values as NatSoc did, but they're not Western values, and they're mostly comprised of dark people, so you find them acceptable.

It's so very clear. Just die please.

>>140285133
True but appeals to nature, in so much as how they dictate "normal" and "acceptable modes of thought", are not the extension of that argument. What you just laid out, instead, is an argument for not succumbing to the false trappings of undirected "progress." youre mixing institutions of society with how people ought to think. How people think is, ultimately, independent of society but largely constrained by it.

>>140272059
Yes. There is only one "sexual orientation." Normal. Everything else is merely degeneracy.

>>140285303
By all means, keep trying to tell gay people there engaged in wrongfeel and badthink. It's really working out bruh

>>140284840
>Thou to be fair i assume its just as hard for someone who was raised to be gay coming out as straight as it would be the other way around
I disagree. Although I have nothing to back it up, I would imagine a child raised by two same-sex parents wouldn't be pressured into any type of orientation. My logic is that the parents (most likely) experienced such pressure as they matured and would be particularly sensitive to it and not push that on their own kids.
Puberty blocking I agree is totally bananas.

>>140284261
IS A BACTERIA GAY ANON??!??!!
IS A VIRUS GAY????
DO YOU HAVE THE GAY VIRUS?????!!!!!!!!????????!!!!

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>>140286040
They are a small minority. You just have to expose them. I've been watching. This is their mindset

>not getting off on the fact that you're just a dirty fucking slut sucking small smelly cocks in hopes that you'll earn the big prize eventually, and basking in the depravity you hold yourself to

>>140272671
>Brit
Checks out.

>>140272059
Yes. It's not like kids are going to start being FAGGOTS on their own if they are explicitly taught anything.

>>140285775
>acceptable modes of thought
Modes of thought that are "acceptable" to nature are ones that don't lead to the destruction of that mode of thought. Modes of thought that humans consider abhorrent are ones that lead to their destruction. We are like that because that's what nature demanded of us for 4 billion years.

>How people think is, ultimately, independent of society
This is utter nonsense, I learned these words like everything that forms my thoughts from society.

>>140286301
You're cooked

I've been getting boners since I was, like, 9 years old. I remember looking at half-naked women in raunchy advertisements in the back of magazines; I would rub my hard-on on their paper breasts. Does anyone doubt that at that age I appreciated women with big tits? If you can be born gay (which I'm sure you can be), then why couldn't you realise this during childhood? 13 years is pubescent for Christ's sake. At 13 you're old enough to get boners, and if your boners are an exclusive reaction to hot, sweaty men wrestling with each other then, yes, you're most definitely a faggot.

>>140287305
normal people don't sexualize children though is the thing.

>>140287122
Anon people create ideas and new words all the time. Thinking is constrained, but not limited. As I said.

>normal ideas are limited to those that work

Everyday life is filled with so much variation and outside influence, you can't actually define to me what the best course is. Every civilization has its positives and negatives, its internal and external struggles. You're attempting to define an objective standard and its making me laugh

>>140286066
Well the base assumption was that the child was raised as the opposite gender to begin with.
In which case
>>I would imagine a child raised by two same-sex parents wouldn't be pressured into any type of orientation
is just not true
My point was that by raising them as the opposite gender you inflict only minor harm, just as much as someone who was "raised straight" but was actually gay.
In my opinion this is not "that bad" i mean i just loved dressing up in some fucking spandex pants that made me look like a total faggot when i was younger. But it didn't matter to me since this had nothing to do with sexuality and rather with "kids being kids".
So i assume that children actually dont care that much about how they are dressed etc until they hit puberty.
Now by blocking puberty is where things become unholy

>>140287498
who here is sexualizing kiddies?
the OP's tweet is a reply saying that a 13 year-old doesn't necessarily know who/what they'll end up chasing the rest of their life

>>140272059
Didn't read the whole thread but some of the arguments reminded me of this series of Yale lectures on literary theory that I skimmed through a bit once.

https://youtu.be/7bkFlJfxyF0?t=39m43s

Might be useful for formulating arguments against this sort of idea.

On a side note, looking up "The Raw and The Cooked" by that Levi Strauss was pretty interesting, read one pdf about it that almost sounded like he believed in meme magic, interesting stuff

http://art-gallery.haifa.ac.il/raw-cooked/pdf/elyada-e.pdf

>Unlike sociologist Émile Durkheim, Lévi-Strauss held that it is not the social phenomenon that
>shapes the cultural and intellectual phenomenon, but vice versa – it is rather the intellectual categories that take part in shaping the social reality. Thus, since the >early 1960s he endeavored to prove the precedence of the spiritual over the physical, the intellectual over the corporeal and social.

>Introduction of human intelligence as an active universal force that shapes human reality, led Lévi-Strauss to publish a series of pivotal studies during the 1960s.

>>140287794
there's a difference between sexual education and telling a kid constantly that they're gay

>>140287305
>If you can be born gay (which I'm sure you can be)
not saying this is universally true, but the gay men I know have confided to me that they were molested or had some other experience with an older male before they "realized" they were homosexual

>>140273298
It's literally programmed into our dna
I said that already

>>140287710
>raising them as the opposite gender
i'm assuming that's a typo and you meant 'raising them with hetero parents"
The only time I could realistically see someone being "raised as the opposite gender" would be in the extremely rare cases of intersex disorders, which sometimes don't manifest until puberty.

>>140280249
Some people are naturally born with better legs than others.....

>>140287998
Makes sense, how many foods do people enjoy that they would have never of tried had they not been offered, sometimes against their will as children?

>>140288076
So is shitting wherever you stand. You had to train yourself to use a bathroom.

>>140287895
well I agree with you on that
I also agree that the number of wacko parents that desperately want to have a 'trans kid' seems to be increasing
Likewise, I think launching into a tirade once your 17 year old tells you they like dick/pussy is poor parenting.

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>>140287895
>telling a kid constantly that they're gay

This is what liberals do dude. And then if you speak out against gays, they'll say you're a self-hating gay. It's a brainwashing technique taught to them from the media/schools to make the person appear crazy. It's why I cannot stand Millennial liberals (and I am one). They're absolute scum.

>>140287305
Children acting sexual is usually due to Trauma or sexual abuse. It happens but it is not the norm.
At 13 you're old enough to get boners, you also get boners for no reason at all and do a shitton of very weird shit that you stop doing after puberty. If my preferences during puperty determined my todays sexual life i would need consider myself a semitransqueerdogkin

>>140282211
>Appeal to nature fallacy.
There is no such fallacy as that.
Take a damned biology course ffs.

>>140287572
>it's all fine, everything goes
You're attempting to minimize the objective truth that rules everything to justify the social acceptance of perversion, if you don't believe in objective truth you don't believe in logic and shouldn't be pretending you do. We got here by stepping carefully but you don't care about that or anything but doing whatever you want right now and not feeling bad about it.

We are getting into more and more abstract territory because you are basing your ideas on an illogical ideology that doesn't accept objective truth. You can muddle any discussion by deconstructing everything but it doesn't get you anywhere but misdirecting from the clear objective real world issues like your house burning or your children cutting their dicks off.

>>140289045
Why are you living in a house anon? It's more natural to live in a nice cave sleeping on reeds. Why are you driving a car? It's more natural to walk. Why are you typing on a phone? It's more natural to converse in person. Why are you using that lamp? It's more natural to use sunlight.

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>>140288496
whops my bad i must have read one to many of those "look at my 5yo trans boy getting his first hormonal treatment" posts and got totally carried away.
I guess i should go to sleep.
Anyway children should not even feel the need to define their sexuality to begin with.
Children who do seems to have an agenda pushed onto them.
Just tell them the basics that some boys like girls and that some boys like boys. They will figure it out on their own without feeling the need to label themselves.

>>140289128
>if you don't believe in objective truth than you don't believe in logic
>he believes in objective truth

Fucking define what the objective truth of society is you brainlet. Can't do it? Thought so.

great argument anon. Let's see how that stands up to any actual philosophy scrutiny.

Verdict: you are a faggot

>>140289357
alright, fine, lets all just stop reproducing and let the human species die out. humans are totally bad for the planet bruh, it'll fix global warming too!!!1
we can start with you, I hear the costs on castration are good this time of year

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>>140289578
*Children who do, seem to have an agenda pushed onto them"
god i hope this is better understandable

>>140286066
Children of lesbian parents have much higher rates of homosexuality - waaaay higher than straight or even gay male parents.

>>140289578
>look at my 5yo trans boy getting his first hormonal treatment
I've already stated that I'm completed opposed to this here>>140286066
>children should not even feel the need to define their sexuality to begin with
I've never claimed that they should
>Children who do seems to have an agenda pushed onto them
that's possible but not an absolute
>Just tell them the basics that some boys like girls and that some boys like boys. They will figure it out on their own without feeling the need to label themselves.
that's basically what i've been farting about this entire thread

>>140289689
>a few gay's have steamy gay sex
>therefore everyone should definitely stop reproducing

Wow really makes you think

>>140275174
>they dont know their orientation is unless its the one i prefer!

>>140273298
there's a reason the word heteronormative has most of the word normal in it

>>140289629
>Modes of thought that are "acceptable" to nature are ones that don't lead to the destruction of that mode of thought. Modes of thought that humans consider abhorrent are ones that lead to their destruction. We are like that because that's what nature demanded of us for 4 billion years.
Objective truth.
>The reason boners exist is to impregnate women with
Objective truth.
>I don't want my house to be on fire
Objective truth.

It's not my responsibility to justify changing our social structures, you have to demonstrate that being a faggot and cutting off dicks is the direction we want to go in. Not accepting faggots and not cutting dicks off is what has worked so far.

>>140290069
This is literally the opposite of his argument. Gtfo

>>140289948
trying to make everyone think they're gay is retarded, and kills the species.

>>140277116
i saw kids wearing fox tails 12 years ago when i was in highschool. go visit a modern school sometime

>>140277234
romans, chinese and their third gender word, so thats 2070 bc so far