Converting to Christianity.

>>140184546
>inb4 Hillary pizza gate shill post

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>>140184546
Good to see you're embracing your anglo-saxon heritage anon. Christianity is part of who we are. I would say the Anglican church would be fitting, seeing as you probably trace your roots back to the UK, but they're irredeemably cucked. If you're looking for a strong traditional church your options are Catholic or Greek Orthodox.

God doesn't exist churches made him up for money kiddo. Sorry you had to find out this way. Also Santa and the Easter bunny don't exist either. The tooth fairy actually exists tho. Don't allow yourself to get brainwashed by bullshit, or your brain will turn into a meaty chud. That's all I gotta say.

>>140185403
>Muslim

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>>140184546
Catholic
yea I guess the pope kisses nigger feet but it's still less retarded than protestantism.

>>140185101
Yeah my background is scotish, dad was born there.
And all of my family there are catholic.
However some things in catholic i don't really like, like o sex before marriage and such.

>>140185702
sex before marriage is degenerate.

>>140185826
I've already had a lot of sex and haven't even had a proper girlfriend lol.
But i really see that Christianity is one of the only hopes for our society and is one of the reasons whites have been so successful.

>>140186300
grace perfects nature. go be a catholic.

>>140184546
So how does this work? You just say you love Jesus and *poof* you're a Christian? I mean what are trying to get out of this? Are you going to read the bible? attend church regularly? stay away from sin?

>>140186435
Well i am seriously considering it, although i think it would take me a lot of time to become a christian because i haven't learned much about it.

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>>140184546
Come here anon >>140185918

>>140186533
Believe in God, accept him as your lord, be a general good person, try to help those around you, don't act like a nigger *poof*.

>>140186567
catholics make you take classes called RCIA and it takes like 4 months or something. you gotta learn about it before you can get baptized.

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>>140184546

What is this "converting" to Christianity bullshit. It's fine if you had an epiphany and are as such drawn to True Faith, but religion isn't a shoping mall where you choose the one that fits your FEELS the most.

Where were your parents in all this, honestly, where was your proper Christian upbringing. It is a shame, really, this generation of religious orfans and bastards.

>>140186533
Yeah i am willing to do all of that.
>>140186819
Ah okay, are you a catholic yourself?
>>140186699
Coming

>>140186943
>Ah okay, are you a catholic yourself
yea bro. it's the largest religious sect in the world and arguably the oldest

>>140186567
Being a christian isn't about being a good person. It's about being a better person than you were. To keep improving yourself and to not cuck on your values.

>>140185101
Good pic

>>140186893
>What is this "converting" to Christianity bullshit.

Are you an attention whore or do you not know how to Christian?

>>140187123

I stand by what I said. He isn't really CONVERTING if he's doing so for reasons unrelated to faith, WHICH IS HIS CASE.

>>140186533
you need to be baptized and have a christian name (though you probably already have a christian name like all "atheists")

just speak with a priest of whatever church you want to go to and he'll tell you everything

>>140186893
I was brought up non religious pretty much however i did go to scripture in primary school.
Every time i have been around a church or christian i have always felt happy and welcome, it's like i have felt the love it generates.
I understand it's not a shopping mall where i can choose but i am starting to believe that is where i belong.
>>140187071
Have you been one your whole life? How has it benefited your life?
Are all the people at your church based like we all are?

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>>140187206
>converting for values
>not good enough

What the fuck is wrong with you? This is one of the best reasons to convert. Faith isn't a given you know, it's contagious.

>>140187238
being catholic really helped me understand history and politics after getting 'redpilled'
also going to heaven is pretty cool

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>>140184546

I am Orthodox, ex-Catholic.

Catholic apologetics make sense against Protestant claims. But most Catholics don't have the historical knowledge to realise that Catholicism is a perversion of Orthodoxy.

Catholics on 4chan have literally no way to respond to Orthodox arguments other than by posting some childish memes about the crusades and a screenshot of faggots like Pope Francis and NY Bishop Dolan laughing.

Catholics fear Orthodoxy because all your little tricks you use to pull the wool over the eyes of protestants don't work on us.

>>140187218
>you need....a christian name

Fucken Cathobros.

Okay, so what type of Christian do you fancy, OP? Methodist, Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Methodist, Methodist, or Methodist?

>>140187206
Ohhh okay i see what you are saying.
Well my beliefs have always bee about karma and destiny. I believe that you have a set destiny and you can not change it even if you think you did change it that was always mean to be, and with karma i believe you get back what you give out and karma gets people back but now i am starting to believe that destiny is gods plan for everyone and that karma is actually god doing what needs to be done.

>>140187356
God-tier post

>>140187356
Tell me a bit about orthodox, do they believe in the same god?
>>140187422
That's the thing i don't know much about all, the only ones i even know a bit about are catholic and protestant.

>>140187564
Of course they believe in the same god, they're more old school more so than Catholics.

>>140187356
i agree with you, Catholics are ok, but theologically they are further from the truth than Orthodoxy

personally i respect Catholics, not only because of their historic role in western civilization but also because the media hates them the most, and if mainstream media hates you, you're by default good

although they are becoming so cucked lately with their new commie SJW pope(they were already pretty cucked since Vatican 2) that even the media is now praising them, it's quite sad

YES tyou are right the powers that be are gog and magog ashkenazim who became scythians then khazars they had an empire forcefully converted to babylonian talmud judaism a brutal evil race now dominates the world called the seed of satan. We call them jews....

>>140187564
Fuck, I don't even know all too much about Methodism. And this is coming from someone who was baptised Methodist. However I can say that if Catholicism is the OG Christianity and Protestent is Christianity 2.0, than Methodism is Christianity v2.25

>>140184546
>he thinks christianity is just a meme that one subscribes to casually

>>140187763
And because of its structure its only a matter of time before the Pope's cuckery funnels down to their flock. It is the main thing that has kept me from joining the Knight of Columbus that my father and grand father are in.

Been thinking of looking into Orthodoxy

>>140184546

honestly mormons are best christians no joke the theology is the most fleshed out and the organization seems to be the least corrupt

>>140187564
orthodox and catholic is basically the same thing, the differences are just semantics. they have problems with the trinity and the title of the pope or something

Lots of Churches in my town, most of them are empty. I'm afraid Christianity is a dead religion. Secularism has replaced the Christian religion. Anyone can call themselves a Christian even if they've never touched a bible in their life.

http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/2017/02/01/report-calls-for-three-anglican-churches-to-close-in-peterborough

>>140188044
>literal perversion and satanification of the word of god
>just semantics
kek, is anyone on pol even literate?

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>>140187996
I had previously been a Methodist. It's just Judism spliced with cult-like mentality.

>>140188159
that's a strong accusation there, buddy

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>>140188126
> I'm afraid Christianity is a dead religion
Doesn't look like it to me

Sorry, I meant Mormons. not methodists >>140188183

>>140188277
now look up how many catholics there are vs. the rest of the schismatics

>>140188126
in reality, people are just turning away from satanic denominations and returning to proper protestant roots, to the actual word of god
flat earthers are a good example, so the actual christianity is on the rise

>>140188277
like I said
>Anyone can call themselves a Christian even if they've never touched a bible in their life

>>140185403
Protestantism stopped money from going to the pope.

>>140188215
sorry buddy, i've been studying the bible for 20 years now, it is what it is

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>>140184546
Non-denominational. Read KJV

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From what I can see from reading the Wiki, we don't like extravagent clothing (jewerly, fancy heir styles, ect) and gambling. Also, we were apart of the ecumenical movement. Sounds about right.

>>140188358
yeah that are over half.
>>140188417
You can say that about all the other religions too, i know plenty of people who say they are muslim, but drink alcohol and dont pray 5 times a day.
>>140188457
Leave my thread, i don't want you in here.

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Besides, we have the best Cross. It's got mufucking flames on it!

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>>140188277
>Doesn't look like it to me
It's on its way out. Even as a Christian I recognize this.

>>140188755
a methodist is basically a baptist who can read

>>140188044
Thanks for the info mate, i might go to a catholic church this sunday and check it out.

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>>140188755
>It's got mufucking flames on it!

>>140188832
I think RCIA is starting soon. ask the priest about it

>>140188615
>And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

>>140188826
Precisely
>>140188843
Sorry, it's got god's sperm on it! ^_^

Join the first one that begins a crusade against islamic filth.Fighting against devils and demons is gods work. Don't let him down.

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>>140189004
DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT

>>140188985
No one cares what you have to say mate.
Go comb your neckbeard the men are talking.
>>140188967
Is it a world wide thing that starts at the same time everywhere?

Atheist Christian
fundamental reading
Jefferson Bible (only accurate new testament)
Jordan peterson lectures (to understand old testament)

Haven't bren to church since I was 4, it is very daunting to just waltz in somewhere

(Plus everyone here really hates non-atheistic christians. All of my friends are nationalistic and calls themselves christians, but all of them made fun of me for putting a cross up in my room)

>>140189119
>weak pagan
>man
kek

>>140189119
I think so. I know it takes some months and people are usually done in time for easter. it's a thing to get baptized on easter.

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Jesus said "No man may come to me except he is drawn by the Father who hath sent me."

You are getting the call, OP.

I am a Christian, but I'm not any denomination. I do my own independent study of the Bible and draw my own conclusions. I suggest you do the same. The dogma of the various denominations is the cancer that's killing Christianity. Very little of it is Biblical, it's mostly human traditions that have transformed into "gospel" over the centuries by mere virtue of longevity.

The most important aspect of Christianity, IMHO, is that you truly believe it. You can't truly believe it until you've done all the research. I suggest you tune into some of the great modern apologists like William Lane Craig, who are intent on showing the world that Christianity can be proven true by archeology, science, and logic. Belief does not come by faith. Faith is only a motivation to do the reading. Belief comes by following a chain of reason.

Here's a video of WLC making a quivering pile of sweaty manflesh out of the shining star of the so-called New Atheist Movement in formal debate about the existence of God. Enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tYm41hb48o

>>140184546
you will find Christianity in protestant churches more than catholic which is a pretentious church in all things. Keep seeking the truth and you'll find the church that's the most true that's the only thing that matters. The catholic church is a dead church, here in Quebec you go in there and its the only church where the priest talks in monotone voice giving the sermon and is dressed the most austere of all churches, same for the church building itself.

Stay away from Aryan churches also which deny the diety of Jesus. One of those churches today is the Jehovah's Witness church.

Otherwise if I could (though there are none near me - small town) I'd go to a Seventh Day Adventist church myself.

>>140189245
Ahk, you didnt answer me before when i asked are all the people at your church based like we are?

>>140188832
Be prepared. Lots of low energy singing. Sort of ritualistic and lots of kneeling. But sitting in to get a feel for the experience might not be a bad idea.

>>140184546
You spend too much on /pol/ with crusaderLARPers. Go to an irl church once. Just once.

Cured me of my cuckstianity thouhts right away. inb4 u went to protest/cathocuck muh muh

The catholic one was full of spics
The protestant one was full of shitlibs
the orthodox one was full of weird eastern foreigners

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>>140188044

There are big differences between Orthodox and Catholics. If somebody is telling you that the filioque controversy is just some minor semantic quarrel, that person is a Catholic trying to recruit you.

Catholics believe that scripture establishes there to be a global superbishop with jurisdiction over everybody, who can unilaterally define dogma and overrule the canons of Ecumenical Councils. The Bishop of Rome now gets to veto any candidate for bishop in any diocese any where in the world.

This is a grave usurpation of power and a dramatic departure from the true Church depicted in the Book of Acts.

>>140187356
Wrong.

>t. one who knows

>>140189275
Thanks mate i will look into it.

>>140189275
I'm in the same boat as this guy and agree with him, though I don't know who William Lane Craig is.

Read George MacDonald, C.S. Lewis, St Thomas Aquinas, Chaucer, most Shakespeare (he was a Christian and understood Christianity very well). If you start with them they will lead you to the other good Theologians and writers who have Christ inspired works

>>140189671

>Oryhocucks believe that scripture establishes there to be a global ecumenical council with jurisdiction over everybody

Fixed.

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>>140189275

Christopher Hitchens was a pseudointellectual louche who enjoyed repeating slogans that had little substantive intellectual value. If you take Chris Hitchens seriously, you are a pseudointellectual too.

Hitchens is so out of his depth speaking on matters of religion in his tiresome rant, 'God is Not Great', that he even claims that the idea of the wandering Jew originated with St Augustine of Hyppo - a bald faced lie he pulled right out of his fat pretentious ass.

>>140189465
catholics are not /pol/lacks
but some of them are pretty woke when it comes to jews

>>140189671
>This is a grave usurpation of power and a dramatic departure from the true Church depicted in the Book of Acts.
how?

>>140189914

Yes, that is what is depicted in the Book of Acts.

>>140189762
>>140189701
u guys are almost there
check out Jordan Peterson and the Jefferson bible and you might hit the intellectual level

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>>140185101
The Roman Catholic is a code word for anti-White.
Who's belongs to a Roman church? Irish (not white), Polish and some other slavs (also not white), Italian/Spaniards/French (undoubtedly, not white), LatinX, ex-French Africans and Filipinos ( :^) )

>>140190006
Wrong.

Just read the Bible. You don't need a congregation to be Christian, especially if you're just starting out and your faith is growing, you might not want to jump right away into a congregation because every church has their own version of what they think is important out of the whole bible. So, if you don't know what parts of the theology you disagree with, you should research that on your own. I personally like the Lutheran church but you might want a more literal or less literal interpretation. Try out lots of churches until you find something that makes sense.

>>140189936
you are def a tard because Hitchens is popular for more than criticizing religion. he was great with history and politics as well so SUCK ONE

>>140189978

Catholics believe that the verse from Matthew 16:18 establishes their doctrine of Papal Supremacy and Infallibility. It doesn't.

>>140189978
Yeah but do they have the same views as us politically, like are they against gay marriage and adoption, against mass immigration etc..?

>>140190084

Christopher Hitchens was an alcoholic pseudointellectual. He had not formal academic training beyond a bachelors degree. Americans have this softspot for Brits with posh accent who can spout the regime's ideology over and over again. This is what Hitchens was. He was a paid mouthpiece of the Neo-conservative establishment.

>>140190031
But Jesus wasn't "middle eastern" he was a pre-Arab pre-Mongol Levantine Jew under Roman occupation... why does the very likely idea that Jesus was white piss off Twitter so much?

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reincarnation is unfalsifiable

worshipping a male god makes you a homosexual

the religion is a jewish invention to weaken you

if you still convert, do us a favour and shut your pie hole, no one gives a fuck.

>>140184546
None of the above. Go independent fundamental Baptist like senpai Anderson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9-fs9xNRkI

similar boat as OP, fell hard for the bluepill as I was growing up but I got bogpilled in recent years. czechoslovak and polish ancestry primarily. what do

>>140188755
>>140188826
what's the difference between baptists, methodists and adventists?

so far i know:
-anglican/episcopal are all about apostolic succession and saints and all normal old school christian things(minus monasticism+ they are extremely cucked today with women bishops and faggotry)
-lutherans are all sola scriptura but still have an old school structure and saints and liturgy and all that
-calvinists are batshit insane and believe humans have no free will, they also have their own unique church structure(no bishops), are iconoclastic, not sure if they have saints
-anabaptists are hardcore "all technology is evil" bible followers, the isis of christianity
-baptists throw everything out the window and just have a bible and a pastor who teaches it to followers in his wooden shack
-pentecoastals are like baptists except they're lunatics who believe they can heal people and dance around like maniacs and speak gibberish
-methodists?
-adventists?

>>140187089

Being a good person isn't about doing the right thing. It's about not being able to do the wrong thing.

I was a staunch atheist before pol. After a lot of reading and research I found that Western Christianity is the only thing with saving in the West, and now I try and uphold it's values to the best of my abilities. I practice as much as I can. The Bible is not a shallow representation of some fictional stories, it's a very complex system of ethics that can direct you to your most important purpose. Listen to Jordan Peterson, he's just finishing up his analysis of the Bible. His podcasts are incredible and they're all free university lectures. That man has changed my life the most.

>>140187356
I am seriously considering converting to orthodoxy after being Catholic for so long. The Greeks know what's up man.

>>140187427
>>140184546
If you're converting because >muh degenerates, then don't. Don't get baptised unless you believe that Christ has risen from the dead and is God. Also, if you want to be a Christian, forget about racism.

>>140191341
>forget about racism
yes, all races are equal before god, thinking you're superior to your fellow men is wrong, however one must keep in mind that Europeans have a right to their own homelands and not be overrun by foreigners and fighting against it is not unchristian

>>140191561
Right, with the caveat that God is pro strong borders and pro nationalism. The devil is not.

>>140191341
Well i'm actually not racist.
I do believe stereotypes exist for a reason and there are certain thing certain races are better at then other races but i don't dislike someone based on the colour of their skin.

>>140186699
St. pie X = best pope

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>>140185403
but allah is real? fuck off shitskin.

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>>140187564
Orthodoxy is the continuation of the traditions of the Church set down by Christ and His Apostles. Catholicism didn't exist until the Great Schism of 1054. Protestantism didn't exist till the 1600's. Orthodoxy is the oldest and truest form of Christianity.

>>140191001
I do watch JP and what I said is right up the ally of what he would say. It's also good advice for the OP. There is a lot of content in the Bible. Don't worry about getting it all right all at once. Get a few things down and slowly build upon it. We are all capable of screwing up because we're not perfect, but we should strive to be better tomorrow than we were yesterday.

And I'd say it is not about "not being able to do the wrong thing." Rather I would phrase it is realizing that you are capable of doing the wrong thing and choosing not to, as JP would put it.

>>140184546
>I am starting to see that all of my values and everything i believe in correlates with Christianity

Better throw out all of those poly/cotton shirts.

>>140185403
Isn't anyone going to talk about hats in response to this?

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>>140184546
Firstly you must be a part of the physical body of Christ his church. From St Ignatius of Antioch it is clarified that the church exists wholly with each apostolically ordained bishop. Only the roman, eastern, oriental and Assyrian communions have apostolic succession and valid bishops so only they have the one holy catholic and apostolic church. Then you must be in communion with the head of the bishops, the seat of peter: Matthew 16:18
You are Peter and on this Rock I will found my church. I give you the keys to heaven the gates of hades will not prevail against it what you bind and loose on earth will be also bound and loosed in heaven.

>>140192435
T. Ortholarp. Catholicism was the name of the faith in the first century. Katholikos in greek.

I believe in the holy catholic church: apostles creed

>>140184546
>Protestant
Felt the holy spirit immediately when accepting Christ officially at a church. It's a feeling almost like you are stoned yet very clear. Happens when you discuss God and Jesus with others as well.

>>140185701
Pope, as a messenger, is not god or Jesus but a "place-holder" like that of a steward guarding a throne.

His fallibility as a leader doesn't fall on the shoulders of Catholicism for this reason. Simply his own as an imperfect human.

Thanks everyone for the information and Advice i think i am going to check out catholic and orthodox and see which i prefer and if i want to convert.

>>140185702

It's not about what you like, it's about what's true and what's best for you.

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>>140184546
/Pol/ is a Christian board. Never forget.

>>140193377
Orthodox means the opposite of Heterodox(heretic)

Orthodox means the correct church, it means THE church, catholic is just one of the titles that was used for the church - Holy, Catholic, Apostolic

>>140185101
As a former Christian, this is quite accurate. I'm very much considering going back to the church, after seeing all this godlessness has given us. Even while going through my doubts, I never had anything against religion, until the atheist left chose to favor Islam for some reason. Now I understand. They choose Islam because it's the most oppressive religion on the planet and is a pure source of victim status. The left is so mentally ill, they've been fabricating their own issues - until now.

It's just so frustrating hearing a leftist hate on Christians, who are generally chill, and turn around and suck Muslim dick all the while the damn Muzzy tries to cut their fucking head off or shove them into a gown.

>>140189119
RCIA stands for Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults. It always starts in the fall ands after Easter. If you go through the whole thing you'll be baptized (if you haven't already) receive your first communion and the be confirmed into the church. along the way you'll learn about the Church, you'll have a personal sponsor to help you, it is also free. There is no cost to joining, only dedicating your time

>>140194476

It's ONE, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic, Slavomir.

When the Eastern Orthodox split off, the rest of the universal (Catholic) church had to figure out how to name the schismatics, so we said hey, their doctrine is generally good (Orthodox) at least.

>believing in a polytheistic cuckolded mythos stolen from sumerian urheimat
>"hurr durr god is one but three, yeah really, its like uhhh complicated"

There is nothing worse than Christianity. I'm glad my country is majority agnostic in 2017

>>140190163
yes, yes, and sorta yes. cardinal sarah is an outspoken critic of mass immigration, the irony is though, is that he's african

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>>140184546
Anything major denomination could work but Catholicism. It has been subverted by the Rothschild syndicate decades ago. I would avoid any denominations that allow women in church authority positions.

Look at you pathetic losers, like a pack of niggers peddling crack, you all market your own polytheistic jew religious denomination

Lmao christians are the plague

>>140194886
So you should be. It is not a coincidence that your country is prosperous, civilised AND irreligious.

>>140194886
>>140195098

Atheism is a religious vacuum. And you should be worried about what the vacuum will suck in

>>140184546
Catholic here. Started going to church last week thanks to a friend. Quite an experience, I must say. Still got to take my first comunion though.

>>140184546
Do you even believe in their god or are you just for muhh values?

>>140194864
orthodox is what the church calls itself, it's not the only church to use the name, those middle eastern churches that split off from THE orthodox church(before you catholics split off) also call themselves orthodox

the orthodox church is the catholic church, you guys are papists, Patty McDoherty

>>140195876
please see>>140187427

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>>140193377

We confess that our Church is Catholic in the Nicene Creed. We use the term 'Orthodox' to distinguish us from Catholics because we emphasise that the so-called Catholics teach heterodoxy, .e.g. created grace, papal infallibility and the double procession of the Holy Spirit.

I challenge you to read the Greek Fathers from the 1st millennium (eg. St Basil, St John Chrysostom, etc). You will find there the Orthodox Church. You will also see how they warned that the Latins would twist scripture to usurp the powers of the other 4 patriarchs.

>>140184546
4chan Christians are largely Catholic but there exists some Orthodox and far less some Protestants.

>>140196142

*Eastern Orthodox

Your Ecumenical Patriarch was historically just a puppet of the Byzantine Emperor (later the Muslim Turkish Sultan) and he got butthurt that the Pope crowned Charlemagne as an Emperor, so for that reason he pressured the bishops under his political control to separate from Rome. This, however, didn't stop the Byzantine Emperor from calling for the help of the Catholic Church in the First Crusade, and it also didn't stop the Greeks from recognising the authority of the Catholic Church (and the authority of the Pope) and nearly rejoining it at the Council of Florence

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Italy did not mobilize its economy; its GNP committed to the war effort remained at prewar levels.[38]

>mfw Italy didn't take ww2 seriously

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And BTW, the "popes" of the 1st milennium AD were Orthodox in there beliefs. We know this because they made the sign of the cross from right to left like the Orthodox do and because the Nicene Creed was engraved on silver plates by Pope Leo III and this was displayed in St Peter's Basilica and it does not contain the Filioque.

Catholic apologetics does this thing where they try to talk-down the powers and the remit of the Pope. You will see this for example when they try to explain how Papal Infallibility can only be invoked under very special circumstances. They do this because although they are obligated to obey the pope, the modern popes since Pius XII have done all these heretical things and are basically working with the Jews and Freemasons to drive the Church off the cliff.

This is all just a defence mechanism because the historical praxis of Papal power is that of basically a worldly emperor who can unilaterally alter doctrines whenever it suits him. Although the specific definition of papal infallibility as it was defined at the Vatican I council is fairly restrictive, Infallibility is only covering extraordinary magisterium, faithful Catholics are still obligated to obey the pope in whatever he decrees under ordinary magisterium.

The up-shot is that traditionalist Catholics have to maintain all sorts of byzantine canonical arguments and conspiracy theories to justify why they are only in obedience to the particular traditions which they deem themselves to be the "true Catholic" tradition.

>>140196968
your pope overlord was also a puppet of the "byzantine" emperor( THE Roman emperor) before italy was ravaged by barbarians and the pope started to usurp power and change doctrine to make himself more powerful, the Roman bishop was appointed by the emperor himself

sorry cathocuck but history will always be on our side

>>140197246

>history will always be on our side

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

>>140184546
I have Christian beliefs, as in, I believe what Jesus himself said and did in his lifetime was correct. All the God, Devil, heaven and hell shit, all hocus pocus. If anything it could be interpreted as an analogy for good vs evil, albeit in an extremely fucked up way.

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>>140196968

This is another canard that Catholic apologists constantly trot out. The Ottoman Turks conquered Constantinople. That is a historical fact. The Papal Estates were conquered about Italian Nationalists and Freemasons in the 19th century. However, unlike the Roman Catholic Church, the occupation by foreign powers never caused the Orthodox Church to change her immutable doctrines given to her by the Apostles and contained in the Gospels.

However, the Roman Catholic Church have made all sorts of false theological speculations since they were occupied by Freemasons, including the doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and Papal Infallibility, and the constitutions of Vatican II Council, which all read like humanist essays by a secular Political Science professor.

>>140197358
So what? Christians suffered under the pagan emperors before Constantine the Great, nothing new here and not an argument

history btfo's you yet again

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>>140197494

Well I don't know what time it is in Greece/Russia, but it's late here and I don't have the time to explain away these misunderstandings you have

>>140197622
>hurr durr ottoman ocupation means im right, screw theology, screw the apostles, might makes right

>>140197151
10/10 post.

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Here is a list of strawman arguments and canards that Catholics use to prevent people from becoming Orthodox:

>Papal authority is not absolute, the Pope is really just a sort of caretaker, so you are free to interpret things modern Popes say and teach however you want, or disregard them altogether.

>The Orthodox Church can't be truly Catholic because they are organised administratively along national lines (real Christianity = false Jesuit cosmopolitanism).

>Matthew 16:18 teaches that Peter is the rock the Church was built on. Therefore, every bishop of Rome is a global superbishop who has supreme authority over every other Christian on Earth.

>the countries where the Orthodox has traditionally existed were conquered by Muslims and Communists. If they were the true Church God would not allow them to be persecuted thus (but when the Catholic Church enters into captivity of Freemasons, Marxists and Jews it is because Satan is persecuting her because she is the *true church*).

>When they were conquered by the Ottomans, the Sultan became the Pope of the Orthodox Church and he used his position to contaminate Orthodox teachings with heresies (complete and total lie).

>>140197992
>>Papal authority is not absolute, the Pope is really just a sort of caretaker, so you are free to interpret things modern Popes say and teach however you want, or disregard them altogether.
yeah i always love this irony

>orthodox are heretics because they don't follow the pope
>the pope is a communist heretic? #notmypope

>>140184546
Converting from...?

>>140189477
If you are looking for a conservative church you want some evangelical kind of thing.

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Why not the Templar's vision of christianity, worship of St. John and St. Bernard?

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>>140184546 >>140185101
>mfw Catholic Church is subverted by Jews and it will take years to revert it to being nationalist

>>140197992
>>140198227
https://thewildvoice.org/right-duty-resist-pope/

...and I admire the Orthodox faithfuls for holding up to the faith and their traditions in the face of Communism. I just hope one day we Western Catholics will embrace tradition once again, lerning from the Eastern Christians.

If you choose religion like you choose shoes in a shoe store, you are not really a true follower of it

>>140184546
You should become Orthodox if possible.

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>>140184546
The church of Peter, the Vicar of Christ.

>>140184546
Christianity is a Semitic religion; if you aren't Semites then you're a cuckhold

In fact, if you're Semites you should adopt Yahwhism

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>>140187355
This, my brother

I can't support catholicism after their protection of degenerate pederasts. I went to a CoE high school and my mum is presbyterian. Wat do?

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Pope Francis has been hinting at curbing the use of the Latin Mass in the Catholic Church. Also, he has stated that the liturgical reforms motivated by the Vatican II constitution, "Sacrosanctum Concilium" are here to stay. There's nothing you trads can do to change the infallible magisterium of the Catholic Church. You are basically behaving as protestant heretics by protesting these things.

Here is a nice summary of what is wrong with Catholicism from an Orthodox POV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCQh04hhSoY

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>>140201238

Join the Greek Orthodox Church in Australia. Send them an email expressing your interest here:

http://www.greekorthodox.org.au/?page_id=4346

and they will get you in touch with a good priest in your area.

>>140201532
I went to a Greek orthodox wedding. It was pretty based. I'm likely moving to Japan for the forseeable future next year though so it seems long odds there'll be much Greek orthodox available.

>>140201816

You should be able to find ROCOR churches in Japan (Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia), at least in the major cities.

If you're in Australia, Greek Orthodox Church is the ticket.

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>>140184546
Love is love.

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>>140184546
In my view, and this resonates with the hermetic principles of correspondence and polarity, is that within the Gospels there are relative and absolute truths. The result that we end up with is that the Bible means, inherently, very different things to each individual whilst still containing a core or foundation on which each existential truth is built upon.
This is the seed, you are the would be plant, and your actions are the fruit which it bears. When you think of this on a deeper level you realise that the Gospels are an infinite amount of perspectives as long as there are individuals to extract what they will from it. It never dies. It is continually moving and eternal, the very words, the logos, ever-changing, ever-permeating; not a dead stone which stays static.
History has proven this, almost everyone here will have a different view on what the Bible is or what is at its core, even though we have all read the same words. The existential religions/philosophies last long and extend into new people all the time throughout millenia, ones that the basis is on the individual and self-realization, because they do not block and deny. Of course certain sects have tried to; Catholicism is an easy example, an that is precisely why it is so hard for them to gain more followers.
Something like Gnosticism however, which is what i recommend you to try, sits in a cave for 2000 years and its teachings still spark that inquistive SEEKING which is at the heart of all living things.
Others are like brick walls and dead ends. Buddhism, Hinduism, Mysticism, these things last and captivate because they ask you; not tell you. They still go strong today without much enforcement, whilst many other dominant religions of today only last because they are forced upon others or conditioned in a traditional like manner. So many religions have died, completely impenetrable and beyond our boundaries of context, to ever truly practice or understand.

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>>140202209
Thats because they held to firmly on to their relative truths, unable to ground it on a basis of absolute which then enables outsiders to form their own relatives respective to themselves and era. Of course, not all religions were meant to be spread and of course that is not the only reason. Part of the consistent rhetorical problem we have is that of over-generalising when nothing is ever that simple. Part of the beauty in things I suppose.

I personally recommend you Manly P Hall,a good writer in his own right though his wider books such as STAA can be a little vague and mostly serve as just an introduction and reference to various beginnings of esotericism and gnosticism. If you want to get into the meat of his research, philosophy and practices then you should definitley check out his lectures which are still widely available for download and on youtube. There are 100s of them and some of them are really illuminating whilst not always being about the occult and sometimes just going into esoteric anthropology.
What you want to do is instead of trying to find a hard copy of the Gospel of Thomas (which will be tiny) is buy the complete Nag Hammadi scriptures in one volume. You can get them very cheap on amazon in some great editions which are annotated to provide full context and also contain introductory essays by the scholars and translators, maybe you don't plan to read them now, though they definitley provide a lot of context over that which you would have of just picking up the Gospel of Thomas and never heard of it - if you did that it would confuse the shit out of you.
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>>140202277
A very concise, but very well written and argumented, is Elain Pagels "The Gnostic Gospels." This book will go through the history of the early christian era, examining the arguments between the Orthodox and Gnostic sects, their political power and outcomes, and go into depth in some areas of the Nag Hammadi itself in a very easy to grasp and read format from any level of understanding on the subject. It is not all comprehensive but it is an excellent place to begin and get a good insight.

This should provide a basic overview of gnosticism, an essential to read before you begin: http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta05.htm

The final recommendation that I have is a 4 part documentary series released in the UK in the 90's on TV called "Gnostics". You can find them all on youtube also and they are very well made, sometimes reenacting historical events and speeches, interviewing the leading scholars and historians on the subject but giving you a really great narrative and story with in each episode. It extends from stuff like the Cathars, to the Medicis, to Jung, you can watch them all here:

Gnostics 1/4 - Knowledge of the Heart - https://youtu.be/t6RLWbOSvUw
Gnostics 2/4 - Cathars, the True Christians - https://youtu.be/q8iuWixkFXw
Gnostics 3/4 - The Divinity of Man - https://youtu.be/0lGH785eI-E
Gnostics 4/4 - Crack in the Universe - https://youtu.be/JxxxmXkJums

After taking your time going through some of this work and a bit of contemplation I am sure all of your basic questions on Gnosticism will be answered, although be prepared to have many many more questions once you have them, the rabbit hole is particularly deep.

That's all i have, i hope you can get something out of my wall of text, good luck to you on whatever path you choose.

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>>140184546
Best resource for you brother is a KJV of the Bible (the only true version for English) and the YouTube channels "Josh Coen" and "Chris LaSala" both of those guys teach sound doctrine and have helped me as well. To answer some of your questions: 1. yes there are Christians here 2. I don't believe in any denomination (although Catholicism is pure heresy in the modern era). Wish you the best in your walk and the development of your relationship with Christ. Repent and believe the gospel... and I'll see you in Paradise, brother.