>god

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>>140109338
Here you go

Burden of proof is on you to say he DOESN'T exist.

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What's

the

alternative?

>>140109657
>proof
>shit is delicious, billions of flies can't be wrong

>>140109338
There's no data,also there can be no such thing as omnipotence,as everything must evolve.

>>140109853
Transhumanism

>Modern day leftist
>White people religions bad
>Brown people religions good

Really makes me think.

>>140109338
God here. I'm real.

>>140109338
>>140109940
I'm not christian myself but asking proof on something spiritual is just beyond stupid. It exists if you want to, it doesn't if you don't. Faith is everything.

>>140109853
allah

>>140109338
>hasn't looked
Boy

>>140109338
Yeah it's much better to have faith in 'science'.

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>>140109940
>never tried shit
>thinks he has a right to talk about it

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>god doesn't exist

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>trumpfags praise the god of kikes

>>140109853
Disregard religion and pursue worldly things.

You have no way of knowing if a god exists, what kind of god it is, how many gods there are, what its motives or desires are, if it even HAS motives or desires, if it cares about you at all, ect. You might as well live as if no god exists, because there is no coherent way to account for every possibility. Religion, therefore, is objectively a waste of time.

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>>140109338
>He thinks god is a physical actual creature that exists somewhere separate from the things that believe in it.

God is a direction of thought that produces results.
It is metaphysical.

>>140109338

Fritta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn7QvnhJgeA

>>140110584
>genetic fallacy
>still wrong
Hmmmmmmmmm.

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>literally worshipping a Jew
What's wrong with christfags

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>>140110130
gimmie gf plz

I think, therefore I am. I believe in god, so God must exist.

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>>140110138
>Faith is everything.
Especially for all those that suffer under Nigger religions Islam.
>asking proof on something spiritual is just beyond stupid
Unless you start basing Nigger laws like the Sharia on it.

>>140109853
Philosophy

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>>140110655
>God is a direction of thought that produces results.
>It is metaphysical.
Nice spooks, kiddo.

>>140109338

The Sumerians tablets you dumb fucking christcuck faggot.

>>140111127
You believe,in a belief trap?

>>140110449
So you're the shit taste expert

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>>140111540
Let go of your limiting view of the world as a purely physical construct.

Atop atoms sits information, atop information, knowledge, atop knowledge, understanding.

And the sun that sits above the pyramid; a symbol of godlike transcendence - manipulation of that which is below.

>>140112061
You're a wanker.

>>140109338
Where is yours? The burden of proof lies with that of the accuser.

>>140112577
I don't think you understand how that works

>>140112444
fite me m8

>>140112647
>looks at flag
Whatever you say retard

Believing in God is irrational

>>140109338
God is a pragmatic truth. The existence of a god may not be "true" in the absolute sense, but belief in god has advantages. Religion in general is useful to create a sense of community and culture. Regardless if god exists or not, western society has benefited greatly from christianity.

>>140109338
you know whats cringier than arguing about faith? almost fucking nothing.

an irrelevant man points to an old book and says he has an imaginary friend.
other irrelevant men decide their are going to prove those type of men wrong and spend hours researching counter-arguments to the old book. then they spend hours waiting to find someone as cringy as themselves to have an argument, then they both will spend hours arguing about a subject that will reach no conclusion, but both will somehow achieve some kind of perverse satisfaction, almost as if these men have mentally masturbated each other.

now imagine two pimply-faced, neck-bearded, fedora wearing social rejects masturbating each other, because these are the only people dumb-enough to have such an argument.

>>140113139
>Believing in God is irrational

...but Creation is all around us?

>>140114011
Surrendering free will to a belief trap,is the problem.

>>140109338

Define "proof".

And then explain why a deity, a supernatural entity, would fall inside
the scope of empirically measurable space, and be subject to the
same natural laws as humans.

>>140114011
God objectively exists but our approximations of the nature of God are imperfect so the pragmatic truth is needed to move forward. Just like in physics where imperfect models are constructed and maintained because of their practical powers of prediction, not their objective eternal truth.

>>140114871
Data

>>140114011
/thread

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>>140114011

>western society has benefited greatly from christianity
>the chruch was literally a parasite
>forced to do what they tell you or you get the stake/hot iron/noose/whatever
>can't conduct any scientific research because "muh heathens"

Oh and my favorite

>muh traditional family

Back then, whether you were religious or not, you had to have a family and lots of kids to survive. The "traditional family" has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

>>140112061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKzdQq0qOQs

If god exists, there is still no reason to think he cares about your morality or even interacts with humanity

>>140109338
Everything that you can't explain you will say nature.
But nature = God

>>140115045
Initially members of the church were the only educated people because they were taught to read the bible. Initial advances in science were done by members of the church. Yes, they also attempted to halt progress later on, but they themselves were the ones who sparked it.

Religion is also an abstract concept that a whole nation could get behind. That is powerful. Especially during war time. Just look at the shit islam is doing nowadays. Whether they are right or wrong, they are doing things that a rational person wouldn't dream of. And that makes them a dangerous adversary. If islam were a logical school of thought, they would never be able to conquer as much as they have.

>>140109853
Supreme leader Kim, see digits

>>140109338
>aus
masters of shit posting

>>140109657
Humans are sheep. Not a surprising number. Just means there are a few billion people afraid to think for themselves

>>140110514
Don't need any because you say he exists yet cannot prove it

>>140112061
And above this all sits you ugly fat mother, you nigger.

>>140116034
OP's post was low quality, don't encourage mediocre shitposting

>>140109338
>doesn't understand faith
>demands proof of what can not be seen with the eye directly.
>assumes superiority by declaring himself omniscient
>not retarded


The fool hath said in his heart;"there is no God".

>>140114011
>western society has benefitted greatly

ONE
THOUSAND
YEARS
OF
SCIENTIFIC
STAGNATION

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>>140109338
Where's your sister?

>>140116034
>op posts a question
>rather than respond, attack the character to delegitimize the question

Master debater

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In all seriousness though, God, as we understand it now, is a very simple concept. The only issue is we're too close to what's going on to see the big picture:

Look at all the gods that came before it - they're ALL anthropomorphisations of physical phenomena or human behaviour.

Whether you're looking at Scandinavia, Greece, India East-Asia or America, all pagan polytheistic societies 'gods' were just anthropomorphic representations of 'stuff'.

Sun gods, wind gods, storm gods, gods of war, gods of mischief, gods of chaos and love. It's humans attempting to process the world around them not just as a cold objective collection of physical phenomena, but also as things that MUST run through the filter of the human experience, by definition of observing and living them.

The modern 'God' we know is just an updated version of this that binds ALL of those loose concepts into one gigantic metaphysical anthropomorphization of the universe as a whole.
Just as Thor is the god of thunder, Yahweh is the God of the universe.

This includes physical things like earthquakes and storms, as well as human nature (us being 'made in his image')

It's an ancient understanding that the universe is indeed all powerful, but we are undeniably a part of it, which by definition gives us some measure of power.
Jesus being a revised add-on to this concept that seeks to embody the human aspect more strongly than the image of the Father, which includes those earthquake/storm/plague 'powers', in an attempt to give us something a little more tangible to aspire to be.
Jesus is a refined anthropomorphization of God.

None of them is any more real than Thor, Zeus or Ra, but all of them are real as metaphysical projections of extremely real universal phenomena.

>>140109338
prove there isn't a god

>>140117197
Did god infest your cities with refugees?

>>140109338
Atheist shilling is through the roof. Have fun brigading faggots. Don't forget to grab a redpill while you're here, you atheistic fedora wearing little virgins.

>>140109338
god isn't a literal thing like a toyota truck you retard. it's a metaphorical representation of the infinitely self-similar complexity in the world. we are in an infinite world with finite senses. we cannot conceptualize every meaningful concept literally. it would be naive to assume otherwise.

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>>140109338
Here.

>>140109338
1 post by this ID
>slide

>>140110055
Jewish Kebab religion = White?
Don't you have paganism/folklores to worship to that are actually white?

>>140118497
>Proof of non-existence

You fucking dumb nigger, go shart in the mart and kill yourself after, you're a shame to humanity.

Prove that there is no horsedick in your ass.

>>140118563
>Calling mental illness a redpill
Go educate yourself with some non-american education.

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>>140109338

I'm not here for theological discussion. I just wanted to say I enjoyed the early seasons of the television show Dexter very much. Would recommend.

>>140114946
>objectivly exist

Only in your imagination, my fellow dreamer.

>where's your proof
Open your eyes.
https://pastebin.com/eaEGgUa3

>>140109792
There's nothing wrong with asking for proof. Burden of proof is on whoever makes the claim.

>>140115604
>Nature=god
You=shit

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>>140109338
there ya go

>>140118563
>OP asks for proof
>you go on an inane rant about "fedora wearing little virgins"

Is this just your way of admitting you don't have any proof?

Why should I believe in a statement which has no proof?

>>140123043
>Only in your imagination, my fellow dreamer.
It isn't possible for anything objective to reside in imagination. He's talking about some kind of pragmatic, intersubjective understanding of the objective necessitating approximation in order for knowledge to exist.

>>140109338
according to all observations of natural phenomenon we would expect high energy particles to distribute uniformly when released in a vacuum. we find through experimentation however that this is not the case. the distribution is only semi-random, and instead follows a predictable distribution pattern which favors particles moving toward areas of lower energy. this property is refferred to as entropy, and the origin and nature of the directing actor which alters the velocity of the particles is unknown

>>140109338
Once you kill god in your life, it doesn't exist. But for others it can still exist.
Now you either do one of these things, you revive god in your life or kill god in others' life. Be smart.

>>140123279
>god exists because of muh ethics
Such a mind gymnastics

>>140123247
>>Nature=god
Whether this is true depends on some possible implicit definitions of "nature."
If "nature" is defined as "what is," then God is natural, but not necessarily nature itself.
If "nature" is defined as "what we know of," then your statement would imply God is nothing more than what we know, which is the same mistake atheists make, because He thusly couldn't exist.

>>140123479
>Knowldge to exist

You should lurk Kurt Godel's incompleteness theorem.

>>140123891
"Knowledge" meaning "belief," not implying knowledge of objective truth is possible; that would refute my whole reply.

>>140117197
Um, no sweetie.
For the longest time the Catholic Church was the source of knowledge in the West.

>>140123043
>t. communist shill deliberately shitting up threads with spam
The monotheistic concept of God is defined as universal truth. If there is universal truth the concept is valid. If you accept that logic is universally valid you accept the monotheistic God.

The language represented this definition for most of Christian history until it became more and more muddled recently with materialism taking over all thought. All the great scientists framed the search for truth as becoming closer to God. The terminology was still being used as late as Einstein. All the monotheistic faiths share this idea of God as the definition of ultimate truth. You can't argue with that part because even arguing means you believe in the universal validity of logic, a form of ultimate truth.

>>140123871
Why are you even argue with this unnecessary concept of 'god' while you have Okkam's razor? Are you retarded?

There is no god, just your mentall illness and allmighty friend in your imagination.

>>140117197
Where did this meme come from? lol at how atheists just outright tell bold-faced lies because they don't have any arguments. Reminds me of the zeitgeist fake anthropology meme.

Modern science owes its very existence to Christianity. Atheism only seems obvious to you because you don't know what you're talking about and you've been lied to. Nicholas Copernicus, Sir Francis Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, Rene Descartes, Blaise Pascal, Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, Gregor Mendel, William Thomson Kelvin, Max Planck, and Albert Einstein all believed in a god.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_Christianity_in_civilization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates

The scientific method owes its existence to Christianity.

Seriously, where did this stagnation meme come from if not only atheism propaganda websites?

>>140124068
>knowedge mean belief

Holy shit, this is some new level of hypocricy. Knowedge based on examinable facts, not on shitty beliefs and opinions.
Knowledge is objective, while belief is allways, fucking ALWAYS subjective.

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>>140109338

>Proof
>He still thinks something called "evidence" in the context of which he uses it exists epistemologically.

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>>140123644

>God can exist without definition

What is ontological argument of Godel

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>>140124676
Every scientist during the dark ages was a subversive crypto-atheist.
Do you see a brain shape on this painting?

>>140124396
>Okkam's razor
Because of retarded pseudophilosophers like you, I've taken the time to refute this and every other atheist argument here: https://pastebin.com/eaEGgUa3
>Occam's razor:

>Occam's razor (also Ockham's razor; Latin: lex parsimoniae "law of parsimony") is a problem-solving principle attributed to William of Ockham (c. 1287–1347), who was an English Franciscan friar, scholastic philosopher, and theologian. His principle can be interpreted as stating Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
>In science, Occam's razor is used as a heuristic guide in the development of theoretical models, rather than as a rigorous arbiter between candidate models. In the scientific method, Occam's razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result; the preference for simplicity in the scientific method is based on the falsifiability criterion. For each accepted explanation of a phenomenon, there may be an extremely large, perhaps even incomprehensible, number of possible and more complex alternatives, because one can always burden failing explanations with ad hoc hypotheses to prevent them from being falsified; therefore, simpler theories are preferable to more complex ones because they are more testable.

God is the simplest possible solution to everything (See: Simplicity vs. omniscience). Complexity is not a consequence of all-perfection; it is a consequence of deficient cognition. Simplicity and complexity don't objectively exist.

Occam's razor is also only a rule of thumb for abducing that a conclusion is more likely than not, when its likelihood is unquantifiable. Therefore, it can't be used to infer truth nor existence, neither of God nor of anything.
>>140124728
Examinable facts are beliefs, idiot. All knowledge necessarily necessitates a priori axioms, empirical or not. What your doing when you appeal to "muh empiricism" is called appealing to the stone.

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>>140125074
Unlike the brain in your head, which is questionable.

>Santa Klaus do exist without definition.

>>140124728
Also
>Knowledge is objective
Anything that resides in the mind is subjective. If you would say knowledge doesn't reside in the mind, then it doesn't sound like "knowledge" is what you mean, but maybe something like "existence."
>>140125210
>Every scientist during the dark ages was a subversive crypto-atheist.
I assume you started with that conclusion and developed your premises around it? Do you actually have any valid reasons to assume this is true? And I don't know what you're on about with michelangelo not painting a brain on the sistine chapel...

>putting your trust in "objective evidence" in relation to unsolvable and supernatural concepts
literally who does this? start thinking past the physical for once and you'll find that God is the only conclusion.

>>140125272
you're* :^)

people really don't give a shit whether there is a god or not, they just want to know if there's something after death or is this shit all there is.

>>140125272
>I can explain the whole world with just three letters.

Simplest possible solution for you is transorbital lobotomy. Return to your cave at once, you retarded monkey.

Complexity of this world just didn't fit your childgardens level of explanation. Grow yourself some brain.

>>140125853
Nothing.
You just die. Deal with it.

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How are atheists so sure that the universe corresponds to their evaluations. Humans may simply be to primitive to fully understand or sense our surroundings
This opens up the possibility of a god existing

>>140125853
If when you went to sleep a new body with your memories woke up you wouldn't notice. What you consider your self is the information embodied in the flesh, your "soul". If you influence the world long term or maintain the structures that influenced you to be what you are, the information, your soul lives beyond the death of your flesh and will be embodied again.

>>140126128
The existence of God doesn't imply I have explanations, nor is the purpose of existence your knowledge, i.e. your or anyone's explanation of the world is irrelevant to God's existence, obviously. To think otherwise is either stupidity or just plain hubris. In case it's the former, it seems like you should understand that the existence of an explanation doesn't imply it's the only explanation, e.g. X because Y doesn't imply X only because Y. That's called a reduction fallacy.

>>140125632
>Sistine chapel
First, anatomy was forbidden in that period of time, so nobody question that strange cloud.
Second, god is just another concept in your brain, no more no less, and it didn't exist in reality.
Subversive enough?

>>140126347
I know senpai I wasn't asking

>>140126347
No, you're going to burn in hell forever. Deal with it.

>>140126819
>it exists in your brain therefore it only exists in your brain
If only I could infer people as stupid and wanting as you don't exist

>>140126429
Possibility is not a proof of existence.
There is always possibility, because universe is not fully understandable. Theorem of incompleteness as is.

So both theists and atheists are retarded, the answer is - we will never know.
Thats why I'm an Agnosticist.

>>140127262
>Insert centrist meme

>>140126834
No, i'm the one who will boil you in piss pot in hell for the whole eternity.
I have a signed contract with devil to do so.

And don't be delusional - you will go to hell as well.

>>140127262
>God is possible therefore there is no evidence of His existence
Possibility doesn't imply proof doesn't exist... What kind of weird shit is that to think? You have to try really hard to believe God doesn't exist. It is the default position as evidenced by history. You have to have a heart as hard as a brick not to recognize the evidence.

>>140109338
The fact that we are he proves there is a higher power. Even if it is all just random acts, that initial spark is the higher power that created all of this. It doesn't have to sentient to be a higher power.

>>140127377
>there is only black and white

Grow up, Paco.

>>140127626
Your opposition with lack of reason is evidence itself that God exists. Search your butthurt; you know it to be true.
>you will go to hell as well
Pretty sure it will be too full of whiny, irrational idiots

>>140127673
So gimme proof, you sneaky illogical bastard.
Your defaults are weird as shit. Please install correct operation system image on your braindrive.

Cargo Cult is a default position too.

>>140128317
>Lack of reason
There is no lack of reason. Its funny to piss on both theists and atheists here because in Russia its forbidden by a state law, because of muh feelings of believers.

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>Now Thomas (also known as Didymus, one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

>But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

>A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

>Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

>Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

If you need proof to be sure of absolutely everything, 100% of the time, you couldn't leave your house. You do not have proof that you'll not be mugged and killed by blacks when you go to walk your dog at night. You also don't have proof you won't die in a car accident the next time you drive to the store by a drunk driver. That's faith and you need faith for everything, every day. Christianity requires your faith.

Christians don't have 100% proof to show doubting atheists, but they do have faith that what they believe is correct. They have this faith not only because of the Holy Spirit guiding them, but also that millions of others before them have walked the same path following the teachings of Jesus and have done it successfully.

No Christian can give you absolute proof and you shouldn't be expected to receive it when they do not have it themselves to give.

>>140128341
>Your defaults are weird as shit. Please install correct operation system image on your braindrive.
>
>Cargo Cult is a default position too.
What is this gibberish? Did I break you? If I were to provide you with additional proof, you would just shreek again that it isn't proof. And refuting your ill-conceived arguments doesn't imply I have to prove the converse. I've already succeed in refuting your reasoning for being an agnostic -- that possibility somehow implies no proof.

Tell me, when was the last time you recognized you were wrong? Would you agree that the group of people who recognize when they're wrong is more likely to be right?
>>140128642
>Its funny
Sounds like a cry for help :^)

>>140125494

Can't draw a straight line without knowledge of a curved one you tard.

I don't know about this god thing. The universe seems to be infinite and somehow ever expanding.
So I guess it's possible there are beings in other dimensions, maybe this dimension is part of a greater being. Thing is, it's very unlikely such a thing would meddle in the affairs of a single little speck of matter in the way they claim in the bible or any other religious text.
I don't pay attention to any of my atoms, I actually don't pay any attention to any single atom at all.
Some scientists might. But not for long, they've got better things to do and if "our creator" is as vast as everything there's an infinite amount of more interesting things to do than judge fucking monkey behavior.

>>140129597
>it's very unlikely such a thing would meddle in the affairs of a single little speck of matter in the way they claim in the bible or any other religious text.
I assume your quantification of "very unlikely" is based on your "little speck" reference. God's creation of us implies He cares, therefore you've presupposed God didn't create us, which implies the God of the bible doesn't exist, an implicit premise which is your implicit conclusion (you claim uncertainty only because you don't have a sound argument), therefore you are begging the question. How [insert sensationalistic word for "big"] the universe is is irrelevant, you silly goose. Space-time bears no relevance to meaning, purpose, nor whether God cares for His creation. His creating us implies He does, so you might want to go to church. Or you could just babble on about how enthralled you are by His creation in order to imply you don't need Him.

>>140123175
Saying i believe is not a claim. You are the one making the claim. Now prove it.

>>140130860
>Saying i believe is not a claim.
I believe you're a fucking idiot.
>You are the one making the claim.
Where?
>Now prove it.
I have. Your satisfaction of that proof is irrelevant.

>>140131090
What proofs?

>>140128893
Nope, but here I can spit and piss on dumb believers. Its funny.

>>140109657
Check out how much views Justin Bieber videos get on YouTube.

Quantity doesn't mean quality.

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>>140109338
Here you go, faggot.

>>140124922

Then what's left is imagination. If you don't base your reasoning on evidence then what new knowledge can be gain? Knowledge is based on truth, the truth requires proof. Things have the potential to act in infinitely many ways the evidence is what tells us it happened this way as opposed to anything else.

We created god because we wanted evidence for why life is so mysterious

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>>140109338
Atheists btfo

>>140132359
The more we understand the more we become like God. The fruit gave us self awareness and knowledge of evil.
Even though God forbade eating from the tree He still gave the option. We chose to step outside His will. We became sinners against the natural order and an irredeemable force of death instead of continuing in harmony as just another one of Gods creatures.

Christ is our only hope of redemption, only in His name will humanity survive. Only His teachings lead us to a place where we don't destroy everything.

>>140110655
le meme xe/xir man

>>140133275
>>140133763

> implying G describes the Christian god or any other god imagined by humans

>>140134923
where did we imply that, faggot? God is simply a token enciphered with semantic value. Call it whatever you will; it is a hidden hand at work in the Universe, and it is perfect in every way. It can determine your fate at a whim, if it feels so inclined (if it even feels). The point is, for all intents and purposes, it has Godlike discretion over the manner and fact of your existence and, thus, you owe your own existence to it.

kek

>>140109657
>"if a bunch of people believe something, it automatically becomes true!"
>actually being this retarded
Never change, christcucks

>>140135882
That doesn't follow from Gödel's proof