EMP strike over USA

>>140107699
Because of it's lack of mass slaughter of human lives, it seems a more likely scenario than a straight out strategic nuke strike on a populated city.

>>140107699
Because it is actually plausible and nobody wants to think about it because it would be the end of civilized life in the United States, but without the romantic fantasy aspect of a classic nuke attack

>>140107699
It would benefit society in the long run. Let's make it happen.

Because a nuke strike on a civilian population will recieve widespread condemnation and likely turn the whole world against you, thus it's only considered a last resort/retalitory measure.

EMP strike on the otherhand has minimal loss of life attached to it, while still supposedly doing damage to electronics and hurting a countries means to both attack and defend themselves, thus it's seen as a plausable first strike option.

Far more devastating than a nuke strike. All urban centers would be kill zones in less than 2 weeks. Easily half of the population would die. Possibly much more. We are so reliant on electricity it's not even funny.

>>140107699
Nukes aren't meant to be detonated at ground level. Generally, the stronger the nuke the higher it's supposed to be detonated at.

This is of course excluding bunker busters and the like, which are tactically detonated at certain parts in the ground to get rid of people in bunkers.

>>140108660
desu if your invading america the last thing you need to worry about is looking friendly, they are linked with defensive pacts to everyone who matters already

Jokes on you I live in a faraday cage

>>140107699
>EMP takes out technology
>no cars
>no internet
>no heating/cooling
>no water treatment plants
>no water pumping plants
>no logistics

it's modern man's worst nightmare; being thrown back into the stone-age

>>140109151
kek
we need to build a faraday cage, and make the EMPs pay for it

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>>140108254
bump for massive emp

>>140109151
While you are trying to get out of your cage I will have already robbed you and moved on. Or poked you with my stick.

>>140109352
It wouldn't be any less vile and destructive than an actual nuke. "Well at least no one died" doesn't fly, there will be murder and death from coast to coast after this, plus it still fucked the entire globes trading game. It would still result in world condemnation if they ever know who did it.
Might actually be more merciful to the populace to just vaporize them into ash so they don't live through an entire generation or two of rampant Mad Max niggerdom.

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>>140108092
Rare. Also, read One Second After faggots.

>>140109352
Nothing to fear. Every so often the woods need a brush fire to get rid of the dead wood. In the long run we would bounce back fine. In the meanwhile whoever did it would be a glowing radioactive ashtray so it is a win/win for us.

>>140107699
Nork's 100 kT weapons cannot into EMP over a large area. You need a MEGATON weapon high in atmo to burn the continent.

>>140109352
It's my biggest dream

>>140108945
Pacts and treaties change. Trump's considering ceasing all trade with those who do business with North Korea, depending on how far he takes it, that could end up half the world, since people indirectly trade with North Korea when they deal with China.

>>140107699
I blame Lucifer's Hammer

>>140108092
100 million would be dead in the first year.

because nukes as we know them arent real
its just the elites way to keep us scared an in check
like "going to hell" was used years ago

How can there be a happening if there is no 4chan to follow the happening on?

>>140110080
A nuclear strike on the USA is the beginning of the end of the world as we know it.
The US economy is propping up the global economy. A drop on Wall street can be felt all around the world.

If something like that happens, the entire planet goes down.

>>140110860
there will be a 4chan just free of burguers and hopefully leaves

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>>140107699

1. Emp is totally bogus as a threat the vulnerability simple is not there . AKA it's just a hollywood trope not real science.

2. Detonating a Nuclear Weapon over/near any us territory is grounds for retaliation and even all out MAD , making for a poor strategy.

3. This trope is being push because modern electronics have a remote kill switch allowing for this meme to be false flagged.

T. guy who knows things

>>140110080
That's why you combine EMP and regular strategic strikes.

>>140111136
Going MAD means your enemy will do the same. Therefore you don't got MAD because of a limited strike.

>>140107699
EMP's taking out shit is a meme. All it is is radio waves.

Back in the 70's microchips where so sensitive you would ruin them just by touching them. Had to 100% protect against static, grounding everything to work on them. 70's era microchips where very susceptible to emp. Now days you get shit like a raspburry pi and run it as a bare circuit board on your carpeted floor with no shits given. Modern chips are 1000x more hardened against this shit. And on top of that an emp power drops off with a cubed root of its distance.

So you got the area where shit is fried due to thermals (glassed) then the area where the chips are fried due to radeation, then the area where the chips are fried due to emp. I seriously doubt most shit will get taken out by emp more than a couple miles from ground zero.

>>140108092
Very uncommon

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I specifically recall Trump mentioning during his campaign that the power grid in the U.S require a significant overhaul as it is "outdated", I'm sure what he meant was make it not vulnerable to an EMP attack.

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maybe im an uneducated moron but i think a nuke blowing up in the sky wouldnt do shit to anyone and it wont send magic meme rays to make the electricity freak out

>>140107699
No Trap Doujins.

>>140108201
>plausible
are there even EMP weapons yet? I thought so far the only human emp weapon was nukes, and it was more of a secondary effect

>>140107699

You cannot reproduce an emp of that scale without a thermonuclear weapon. So that is why nobody cares. It's the nuke we're worried about not the emp. Emp is a scifi meme.

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>>140108886
I don't understand what's the big deal. If that shit happens couldn't the unaffected cities help out? The military? NATO? The UN? Canada? The EU? Half of Africa doesn't have electricity and no one even cares

>>140107699

without working TV 90% of american would die within a day

>>140112152
>>140112266
How powerful would it have to be anyway? Considering the cube root law the power of EM radiation drops off a fuckton as you get further away from the source and the sheer size of the continental US it seems totally unrealistic at best.

>>140112152
http://www.38north.org/2017/06/wgraham060217/

yeah

>>140112322
2 minutes after a successful EMP strike against the US, every stock market on the planet would crash. Within days, the post-WW2 global system would disintegrate without daddy America holding the biggest stick.

In short, everyone else would be too busy surviving themselves.

>>140113179
This is a really good article for anyone interested also

>>140108092
It's stupid because as soon as the US got confirmation of a nuke launch directed at them they're going to launch their own arsenal in retaliation, they're hardly going to stick their thumb up their ass until they find out it's aimed at a city or gets detonated in the upper atmosphere are they?

>>140108092
I see the pride flag fags are trying to get edgy

a killing bolt will shine in the in the night but not kill.

even small nukes done in a strategic area will kill our economy, the norks wont have to do the killing cuz we will do it for them.

>>140113566
Jesus Christ what have I done...

>>140107699
The danger is huge especially today, nuclear blasts above or inland from New York and California would practically completely wipe out the most significant economies of the entire continent.

>>140107699
hollywood effects, the USA is a huge place, good luck getting an emp that big.

>>140112152
Russia has EMP jamming technology.
Read about the Donald Cook getting it's Aegis shut down in the Black sea, while the Russian pilot made 12 selfie attempts.

>>140108092
Nuclear bomb = You kill people = Evil
Emp = Their people kill each other = Did nothing wrong

>>140113566
Pretty much this. We are close to the end.

>>140113201
This. refer to >>140110902

>>140110463

Go look up the starfish prime nuclear tests and then come back and think about what you just said.

>>140107699
>Why is this scenario such a stronng meme?
Because a EMP would basically take out whatever nation its hits power supplies to the point of destroying the technology in the nation, leading to the starvation and death of millions of people.

>>140114228
Don't need to. Starfish Prime was a 1.4 MEGATON device, thus proving my point.

>>140107699
you need one nuke to do it

>>140114396

Starfish prime was a series of 5 tests and you've decided to cherry pick the biggest one.

gtfo if you're gonna act like a cuck.

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Power Grid Gone

Freeze to death this winter

Only coal miners and lumberjacks keep warm

Our only hope is Global Warming.

>>140113084
Cube root drop off doesn't work in this case because the emitted radiation doesn't come from a point source but rather a "cloud" of ionized gases over a large region. The "cloud" is ionized instantaneously at detonation since the gamma ray burst travels at the speed of light, with particle radiation traveling at a percentage of the speed of light adding to the mix. The ionized gas particles all simultaneously spiral around the magnetic field lines of the Earth releasing a very short but powerful flash of broadband microwaves all over a large area.

>>140111921

you are correct about being an uneducated moron. thank god people like you have no meaningful impact on society.

i'm also glad people like you will leave behind no legacy after you die and in all likelihood your name and everything you accomplished during your life will be completely forgotten in as little as 3 generations from now.

an important thing to keep in mine is that all of our power infrastructure is manufactured overseas with a 6 month or more lead time, we lack the domestic production capabilities. with the Houston grid down,depending on damages will eat most of our spares, not to mention if Irma hits us on the east coast as hard as they are saying it might that's 2 huge areas of power infrastructure deadlined, detonate a nuke over the mid west or east coast, then RIP merica. That would be 3 of our most productive areas dead.

>>140114396
>>140110463
>>140113724
In 2004, two Russian generals, both EMP experts, warned the EMP Commission that the design for Russia’s super-EMP warhead, capable of generating high intensity EMP fields of 200,000 volts per meter, was “accidentally” transferred to North Korea, and that due to “brain drain,” Russian scientists were in North Korea, helping with their missile and nuclear weapon programs. South Korean military intelligence told their press that Russian scientists are in North Korea helping develop an EMP nuclear weapon. In 2013, a Chinese military commentator stated North Korea has super-EMP nuclear weapons.[2]

Super-EMP weapons are low-yield and designed to produce not a big kinetic explosion, but rather a high level of gamma rays, which generate the high-frequency E1 EMP that is most damaging to the broadest range of electronics. North Korean nuclear tests—including the first in 2006, which was predicted to the EMP Commission two years in advance by the two Russian EMP experts—mostly have yields consistent with the size of a super-EMP weapon. The Russian generals’ accurate prediction of when the North would perform its first nuclear test, and the yield being consistent with a super-EMP weapon, indicates their warning about a North Korean super-EMP weapon should be taken very seriously.

>>140114497
>White people would freeze to death

>>140113201
This is the sort of thing that makes me wonder why the power grid isn't better protected from EMPs, given that all you would have to do is surround sensitive equipment with grounded metal and install decent surge suppression systems.

>>140114483
Operation Fishbowl was the 5 weapons tests. Starfish Prime was the W49 that caused the unexpected EMP.

>>140114709
>???????????

>>140114851
>power grid survives
>literally anything the grid powers doe not

>>140114851
Most of the power grid is privatized and it would be an enormous amount of hardware to harden for a company, the costs would be enormous.

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>>140108092
M-mother base?

>>140114851
to be fair, most if not all military equipment is hardened against EMPs

the true damage would be to your economy and your civilians

also, what >>140115177 said, EMPs wouldn't just fry the power grid, they'd fry everything that's plugged into the power grid - so say goodbye to computers, smartphones, TVs, appliances, cars with electronics, airplanes etc etc etc.

>>140108092
Rare

>>140114543
But surely it would have to follow the rule of "total energy out <= energy in" so it would have the energy of the bomb but spread out over a vast distance. So once again, how big would the blast need to be?

>>140107699
A killing bolt will shine in the night but will not kill
>A killing bolt will shine in the night but will not kill

>>140114569
why are you so needlessly mad?

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>>140107699

I'LL KILL THE MOTHER FUCKER THAT TAKES OUT MY INTERNET!

>>140116677
It's dependent on the field lines as it will bend the cloud into a distorted shape, the bomb would still need to be extremely large, this is an unlikely scenario however. Most of the US economy lies on the East and West coast so it should be expected that in such an event there would be multiple strikes at once, you wouldn't want to be counting on everything going right with one bomb in the face of MAD strategy.

>>140113566
>>140117011
it keeps happening

>>140113566

Yeah, if they nuke us they'd get nuked so many times that they'd also collapse. At least we have enough supplies and infrastructure to build ourselves up quickly.

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>>140114709

It'll just make it a white mans world again.

Read it, if you are interested: http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/north-korean-nuclear-emp-attack-the-threat-america-downplays-21010

>>140111600
>an emp power drops off with a cubed root of its distance
burger education

>>140112322
Like when your country expediently saved all those people during the new Orleans flood/crisis

>>140115445
Even if its switched off at the time?

>>140122797
Yeah, it makes no difference.

>>140107699
An overseas invasion force can only be propped up by their ability to manufacture goods domestically and transport them to the front lines. That's why the US is nearly impervious to invasion, because of our strong Naval capability, high number of natural warm water ports, and long distance from major military powers.
>Why is EMP strike such a meme?
Ex-CIA director has written an op-ed about how they consider it the highest vector threat from NK.
It would shift the balance of power globally, as we couldn't continue to resupply or pay for the Navy. We also couldn't keep up a sustained invasion of NK after that, unless we start using Nukes, even then, NK has had 50 years to prepare for a war with the US with Nukes in play, so their natural geography of granite mountains might actually give them the advantage, especially if China becomes opportunistic and joins them, because there is no longer a US economy to sell into.
Inverse, China joins the US, knowing the only way to get paid back on treasuries, plus making loads more money is in selling a whole new generation of consumer and light industrial electronics to a US that needs them badly, in exchange for things like South China Sea bases, maybe more (see the UK/US base swaps post WWII). The US would be a bong tier meme "muh empire" after all's said and done.

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>>140107699
Dashy is worst mare(stallion)

>>140111096
>4chan servers in america
>Mexican intellectual

>>140114543
Approximately how large would the cloud of ionized gasses be?

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>>140107699
>A killing bolt will shine in the night, but will not kill

>>140123173
>>4chan servers in america
What is cloudflare?

>south african tech gurus

Mongrel invasion of Europe 2: Electric boogaloo

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>people believe a third world nation that can barely feed its own peasants could obtain, or create, a top-secret EMP weapon when everyone but China despises them and they can't even figure out how to put proper rocket boosters on a missile
>they think China would provide it when the above scenario prompts everyone to ask "how did a shitty third world country get such expensive technology, who would provide them with such a thing"
>people also forget that even if Russia decided to do this (they have no reason to presently) such a weapon could be used on them, and Russia is notorious for being so cold and uninhabitable in the winter that it laid waste to entire armies in just four months

This thread is mondo retarded

lol if you have a basic surge protector this wont do shit.

stop being such retarded faggots.

>>140108201
It's fiction but I highly suggest One Second After to get a look at the kinds of massive societal problems that an emp would cause.

>>140124255
Yeah no. Any embedded IC that needed to be factory programed and loaded up with EPROM instructions in assembly will get nerfed if not in a faraday cage.

>>140123977
NK has already demonstrated that they have functional ICBMs and nuclear weapons, and their claim that they can now load those weapons onto those ICBMs is becoming more believable by the day. That's all they need to conduct an EMP attack against the US.
And don't forget that they already have satellites orbiting the planet. If one of those just happened to have a nuke on it then they wouldn't even need to fire a missile.

Everyone ITT needs to read that 38North article linked further up before commenting with their retarded opinions.

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>>140123312
There's a lot of factors to take into consideration, bomb yield, height, location. The explosion will occur at an altitude as high as Utah is wide. The cloud will occupy the ionosphere layer of the atmosphere and will be massive in physical size due to the large mean free path of particles at the low pressure, think aurora borealis large.

>>140125189

They have miniaturized hydrogen bombs and ICBMs. Literally all they need now is to be capable of re-entry without burning up.

>>140125440
Not even that, if they can build IRBMs and hydrogen bombs, then they can definitely modify one of their shitty submarines with missile launch capability.

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>>140107699
They already flying over US.

>>140124255
Every metallic component will act as an antenna, it doesn't need to be plugged in, in fact the chips don't even have to be soldered onto the board and they will still burn out.

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>>140107699
North Korea said they will blast USA and sent it to darkness.

I believe it will happen, since Globalists see USA as a big threat to humanity, due to its high consumptionrate of the resources.

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Got plenty of those lol, the STM32F4 boards are surprisingly cheap as well for all the gizmos and things packed into it.

>>140111600
Dude, there is a chip in the raspberry pi that will fuck the whole board from a camera flash.

So hardened much wow.

>>140125100
fine get some farraday cage wallpaper u faggot

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/10/new-material-promises-nsa-proof-wallpaper/123066/

>>140127497

>So hardened much wow.

Please kill yourself immediately

Meh, more worried from a massive solar flare actually hitting hitting our side of the planet than a nuke for wiping out all our electronics.

And for people who are saying basic household electronics are 'shielded' need to remember that all those transmission lines from a power plant are gonna be fucked. No body stockpiles nearly enough of the large transformers and other power distribution items to repair even just a small city size total outage.

>>140125440
They only need a re-entry vehicle if they're aiming for a conventional nuke strike ie low altitude blast against a city or military target.
With a high altitude EMP the weapon won't re-enter the atmosphere, so what they have now is sufficient.

>>140127928
That's just Alex Jones tier crap, making an actual functional Faraday cage that isn't a leaky pile of shit can be tricky, though it's probably enough to deaden a phone signal for a rape room or something.

>>140107699
A nukes emp radius is shorter than kill zone. Em pulse that is enough to wipe out technology requires too much energy that only sun can do. And earth has a shield for that.

Take off your tinfoil hats.

>>140128673

cool so they could literally destroy all of europe and america in like 30 minutes if they've three more bombs lying around

>>140129359
*combs ass hair*
*smiles with toothless grin*

We're talking about high altitude burst not ground burst.

>>140107699

Because it's infinitely more damaging to us than any ground nuke could be.

Not to mention easier, since they've been spraying the ionosphere with metals that shit is going to resonate like a fucking bell.

>>140129359

>I don't understand the properties of ionosphere cavity resonance

>>140129359
A High Altitude detonation would seriously fuck up satellites. It did damage when the US tested a nuke at high altitude, but at the time satellites were not as prevalent as they are today.

>>140129359
>t. a nation deemed too retarded for the US to even keep their nukes there any longer.

>>140131660
Those ions binded by earths mangnetic field. Again, only sun bursts can have a major effect on it.