Redpill me on communism

jewish idea, utopia.

>>140087103
This., Everything that comes from Jews mind is not good

>there is no motivation to work
>you live on the government's land
>your work is owned by the government
>your food is owned by the goverment
>basically you have no rights

>>140087438
Sounds like shit. Why do libs want it?

You can't advance in life

>>140087500
Sometimes people never grow out of their edgy extremist phase. For the right-wing, that phase is Nazism. For the left, it's communism.

>>140087719
>ever quoting Th*tcher
She may have been right about socialism, but never post that bitch on here again.

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>>140087798
Fuck you nigger I post what I want

Off-topic bread, mods please do your job.

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gobunism redpills incoming

>>140087024
I'm hungry.

Oh wow. Thanks for the redpill guys!

>>140087742
Uhm no sweetie, the edgy phase on right is libertarianism. Then you realize you are the only one playing that game and people left to you will take your property anyways no matter how much you cry NAP NAP NAP NAP

I won't say they rape your wife and kill your kds because libertards never have such things either.

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>>140087860
>P-p-political ideology is off-topic on /pol/ p-p-please mods
>t. butthurt commie

I always laugh when I see stormfags harp on the evils of communism (which is true) but then, in the same sentence, praise National Socialism or Fascism.

Invariably there'll be someone who pulls up a quote of how hitler "defined" his variation of socialism as opposed to communism, but it makes no difference of how it was in practice.

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The reason why it's mostly young idiots clinging to communism and thinking it's cool is because a) their parents are feeding them and b) they own no private property of their own. You'd be amazed how fast these faggots change their tune as soon as they hit the real world and begin acquiring property. However, when they're just young dipshits in school all they see is "Oh this means I get free shit" whereas when they get out they realize "Oh shit, I'd basically lose all my shit to people less fortunate." Real life hits them right in the fucking balls and it's hilarious.

>>140087860
What? Is this not a place for politics?

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>>124205675
>redpill me on X

Do you not understand the concept of rules Pablo? Of course ya don't.

>>140087024
It's shit.

>>140088494
marx is buried in a public cemetery. The grave isn't maintained by 'marx enthusiasts', it's maintained by the same board of trustees that look after the 170,000 other graves in the cemetery.

>>140088746
He was a reporter for like ten years...

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>>140089019
It's time for you to go back to deddit you socialist kike

It was founded and owned by the Jew. All the property and guns and power is transferred to the (((state))), with the intellectuals (White people) capable of resisting killed off. The Jew will never relinquish his total domination of the masses, thus "true socialism", the equality of all peoples in control of the means of production without a authoritarian state can never be achieved. It would fail even if the Jew allowed it to happen. Communism is simply a ruse to dupe the Goyim.

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>>140089328
Argument 404.
Pablo is also retarded newfriend, what a shocker!

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>>140089469
Nigger, you're corny as fuck and you know the only one who bitches about such mundane things is some weak faggot that knows you get BTFO every single time this topic comes up. Your butthurt is obvious. Also you clearly don't know what the fuck "off-topic" even means considering this thread hasn't been moved yet, so the only newfag here is you, you whiney little bitch.

>>140087024
these ideas are inefficient because they attempt to centralize control and issuing authority which is much more efficient when done from a local level

>>140087103
>jewish idea
Solomon was the first communist

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>>140089232
>writing is t-t-t-the same as factory work
kek

>>140089187
>falling for the capitalism Jew
Unrestricted capitalism still bears the same fruit as Marxist socialism, that is Jewish domination of the masses. Its favourable to Communism, but not the final solution

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>>140089627
No need to get so angry over getting pointed to the rules of the board.
>lack of moderation == it's ok to do it
Now now, who's thinking like a commie here eh? Damn it Pablo, you`re so fresh it's hardly funny.

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>>140089955
Who said I was falling for the jew or in favor of unrestricted capitalism at all? Nigger, I just hate communist idiots with a passion. Everything the faggots touch turns to absolute shit for everyone every single time.

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Also as some other anon pointed out in another thread, if you're dumb enough to support socialism/communism in the US you're a tool who's supporting literal pedophiles and rapists and should be ashamed of yourself.

>>140087024

Crucially, it fails to understand much less appreciate that entrepreneurial risk is the route to innovation and prosperity. Very often it's a loner or a pair of fellas who have an idea that's disruption. Good luck convincing the collective to hand over some means of production that will disrupt their comfort. (Marx himself was a fan of a dynamic environment, but he failed to understand bureaucracies don't want to shake things up.)

The knock-on effects are catastrophic. Other than sputnik what innovations came from the USSR, Red China, North Korea, Cambodia, etc? These societies even had difficulty even meeting people's basic wants such as soap and toilet paper.

Basically you're stuck with what the collective decides to make available to you.

>>140087742
>edgy phase
>nazi

t. lolbertarian who thinks the weak and poor starving to death is laughable and evolution

No upwards social mobility unless you are part of the ruling class.

Only Hitler and Stalin and their political friends would have the chance to live in a mansion and own luxuries like a PC, nice car, etc. Meanwhile under capitalism, someone like me who's parents made 40k a year combined and who grew up in the ghetto now lives comfortably making 140k a year through my hard work and personal sacrifice.

>>140090133
Ah right, my apologies. Just see alot of guys who rightly shun communistic retards whilst cheering on unrestricted capitalism as the shining light of equality and justice, whilst the Jew in his savage greed sends cancer suffers into bankrupcy to earn a few more shekels, or lends the poverty stricken old lady a loan she can never pay off

>>140087945
>Then you realize you are the only one playing that game and people left to you will take your property anyways no matter how much you cry NAP NAP NAP NAP

Have fun trying to steal my property you Nazi LARPer. I have some 5.45 waiting for you.

>>140088203
almost no one has or will ever have much private property of their own

>>140087024
With nothing to incentivize work nothing will get done. Capitalism works because people want to be rich.

>>140090902
5.56*

>>140087024
It's essentially 100% tax, think about that for a moment.

If you are taxed 100%, why work? You don't. Therefore the government forces you to work, what ever you accomplish, grow or create is taken by the government and is done with as they see fit.

If there is any suspition you aren't working hard for glorious communism or hiding anything naturally that means you are breaking the law, a criminal and sent to the gulag.

When the collective has priority over the individual, the individual becomes a slave to the collective/government, it's that simple. The French Revolution under Robespierre is the most pure example of collective>individual ideology taken to its logical extreme. The way he talks is exactly how commies, socialists and almost every leftist talks like to varying degree now and through out history.

>>140090932
Capitalism "works" because people have no option but to enter into the wage relation or starve.

Under communism, everyone would be free to do the work that they want to do. Humans naturally enjoy labor, when it is not alienated by the relations of capitalism.

>>140090932
Exactly. Why risk opening a business, dealing with massive stress, working 80 hours a week running it for the first several years, risk it failing which most businesses do, etc. If you could lose it all once Hitler or Stalin sees your success and acuses you of being a Jew or bourgeoisie, kills your family in front of you and then sends you to concentration camp or gulag?

>>140091269
why would anyone want to deal with massive stress and work 80 hours a week just to become the personification of some meager collection of capital?

>>140090749
The vast majority of people do not automatically get to live comfortably through hard work in capitalistic societies
>Ruling class
You mean the people whom own all the banks, companies and shares? There exists a ruling class in capitalism, just as it does in communism

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>>140090903
Speak for yourself loser.

>>140091133
>everyone would be free to do the work that they want to do

The work I want is to be the evaluator of tasty food and drink, great entertainment, and comfy beds. I shall write reviews of these.

Thank you, communism.

>>140091269
>Hitler
>Communist
Ah, your that kind of retard

>>140091380
what private property do you own or think that most normal people will have?

>>140091375
Literally everything around you that you call life was invented by men who worked 80 hour weeks.

>>140091537

Hitler was a socialist. "Nationalization" of industries was a way of removing private control and relegating it to the state. He wasn't a communist, but both Nationalism and Communism are two sides of the same coin.

>>140091380
what private property do you own or think that most normal people will own?

Note that we're not talking about personal property. Communists aren't interested in your personal property, no one is coming to collectivize your toothbrush, your iPhone or your comic book collection.

We will be seizing the toothbrush and iPhone factories though :)

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>>140090872
No problem. There's a solution somewhere but socialism/communism has failed so many times that it's obvious that it cannot nor will it ever be the solution to anything. It's an ideology of the state stripped any and all humanity from a person, dehumanizing them, and turning them into cattle. The most hilarious thing about it is the idiot teenagers in the US consider themselves proles when in reality if they're here posting on 4chan from a personal computer/$600 iphone/etc. they are the definition of bouge themselves and would be slaughtered as soon as the real "workers" had their revolution. This ties hand-in-hand with faggots in the US finding oppression anywhere and everywhere there is none just for the sake or arguing and whining. They've failed at capitalism due to their own poor life choices, their own shortcomings, their own failures and they want to play the "eternal victim" and blame everyone including "the system" instead of taking personal responsibility and being accountable for their own actions.

>>140091537
If you succeed you were either a Jew and necked or you were supposed to pay 90% of you income to the state to support the socialist party.

>>140091133
Most people are lazy shits. If they don't have to work they will sit around jerking off all day. Sure someone might get bored enough to carve a table but it's not enough to keep a society afloat.

>>140091716

>Hitler
>Nationalization

The word "privatization" was literally invented to describe Nazi economic policy.

>>140088072
I am not a NatSoc but from what I can figure it might we the one time the line about it not being real socialism works for them.
Monetarily I don't think he just printed money out of thin air but instead printed money to pay government works who then bought goods to get the money moving. I don't know when or if this printing would necessarily end but it kind of makes sense to me as I understand money is just a translatable unit of exchange for time or production.
Private property and small businesses were encouraged as well from what I understand.
Taxation however I have not looked into.
Honestly I think Hitler was a troll and he named his shit socialism for the same reasons we have the Democratic Republic of bull shit undemocratic hellhole.
A second point however would be that the fact its got SOC in it scares the shit out of normies thanks to the anti red propaganda though it got co-opted and phased out. Fucking Molock worshipers.

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>>140091718
How about you seize my cock with your lips instead and blow me? It would be more entertaining than you stupid fucks larping about a revolution that will never happen.

>>140087024
There's a book called The Gulag Archipelago that's worth a read if you wanna know all the details

>>140091831
I don't know about you, but eventually I start to go fucking crazy if I don't have something I'm working on, whether that's for work, for the socialist movement or for personal enjoyment.

People would be fine with working 4 or 6 hours a day.

>>140091375
>why would anyone want to deal with massive stress and work 80 hours a week

Believe it or not, some people are wired that way. But it's more than just work under the direction of others for 80 hours. These people have an idea and want to bring the manifestation of it to the market. If it's a good product or service people may see its utility and entrepreneur's 'bet' is vindicated and pays off. If it's shite, it's back to the drawing board or give up. But the key thing is this: the person chose this path and no one was compelled to support him, reward a crap product, etc.

>>140091133
>Humans naturally enjoy labor
What humans enjoy is the fruits of their labour. Communism takes away the fruits

>>140091716
He nationalized businesses that worked against the interests of the state/worker. He left those who treated the German worker and state correctly in private control, whilst creating financial incentives so those businesses would thrive
>Two sides of the same coin
Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same coin, in that they place no value on the individual. He is but a pawn to exploit to advance the power and control of a select (((few))). Natsoc was the ideological opposite of communism.

>>140091854
>>140091952


Nazis conducted an unprecedented expansion of the welfare state and government control over the economy/industry. The National Socialists struck alliances with powerful industrialists like Krupp and Thyssen to bring about total, hegemonic control of those industries. It was by its very nature socialization of industry - the very antithesis of privatization.

>>140091854

"Lenin is the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight."

Wanna know who said that?

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>>140092107
That's called Self-Actualization, anon. It's one of Maslow's essentials in the Hierarchy of Human Needs and it's what communists try to stomp out at any and every turn given the chance. This is why they'll never gain a real foothold in the US because they're told to fuck off every single time and if they don't, once they've reached a tipping point, they're either beat to death or shot in the street.

>>140092392

>He nationalized businesses that worked against the interests of the state/worker.

Fucking lmao. This is the absolute definition of socialism. I knew you were stupid but I didn't also think you were blind.

>Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same coin, in that they place no value on the individual.

Yawn. Want me to recite a few quotes?

"We are living in an age of great radical change, as I have said before—an evolution from individualism to socialism, from self-interest to the public interest, from the ‘I’ to the ‘we.’ "

"Only then will it be possible to work jointly to find and travel the road from individualism to socialism without revolution"

" In socialism of the future…what counts is the whole, the community of the Volk. The individual and his life play only a subsidiary role. He can be sacrificed—he is prepared to sacrifice himself should the whole demand it, should the commonwealth call for it."

Hitler was a authoritarian, totalitarian collectivist socialist. The very same type of operation of Communism, only with a different group (NatSoc being Tribe, with Communism being Class).

>>140087024
>Hey can you guy's please redpill me on why communism and socialism is bad.

Six Worst famines of the 20th century:
China 1958-62
Soviet Union 1921-22
Soviet Union (Ukraine) 1932-34
North-west China 1927
China (Henan) 1943
North Korea 1995-99

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>>140092399
This is the problem with you socialist/communists cucks. You don't know enough about how capitalism works vs. a communist economic system, so you have to bring up a strawman (hurdur nazis) so you actually have something to argue against. It's pretty fucking sad desu. If communism/socialism was so great, you'd be able to defend it on it's actual merits as opposed to just scapegoating to "well hey, at least it's better than nazis amirite? (which it provably wasn't based on starvation deaths alone). Meanwhile, you think people don't see and understand what I just described because you assume you're just on some other level of intellect. What you need to understand is, across the globe 99.9% of people spit on you, smack you around, and want to literally kill you. Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't all these billions of "uneducated" plebs, maybe the problem is you. Just some food for thought. These people don't hate communism for no reason, afterall.

>>140092462

The communists claim they want to create self actualised men, yet can't even meet a man's physiological needs. Because that goes awry it threatens the legitimacy of the system, so it responds by violating man's needs for security, belongingness, and accomplishment.

>>140092973

How is this relevant to my post? I'm not a communist. I despise both Communism and Nazism, really any form of socialism.

>>140087798
C'mon, everyone loves Thatcher because of how she ripped the unions a new asshole, something our government hadn't had the balls to do in almost a century, not to mention how she dealt with hunger striking scum.

>>140092807
I never claimed he did not implement socialist policies if he believed it would benefit the worker/people. Just that he was not a Communist

People were allowed to own property, small businesses were allowed to flourish, large businesses were kept private if they treated the worker properly

>>140087798
Fagget

>>140093192
Precisely. The blueprint for communism calls for the complete destruction of tradition, of the family unit, of religion or any other thing they consider a threat to the bureaucracy and that actually allow or assists man/woman in their own goals for Self-Actualization. It's literal slavery. They try to muddy the waters all the time and act like this isn't a focus of their ideology when it very clearly is. It's enslavement, not liberation, and they completely ignore Maslow's hierarchy. The turn it upside down and argue stupid degenerate shit like gay marriage is a human right/need while the actual, very real, human needs of modern people are perverted and ignored. Fuck that nonsense.

>>140094006

In it's essence it's over promise and under deliver. In the marketplace a capitalist goes bankrupt doing so, but not so in communis, The entire country must collapse to restore sanity.

Every action we have in the market is a vote; it inherently has continuous checks and balances (though corruption can happen, so some rules are needed).

>>140087438
No. Not really.

>>140087500
>Why do libs want it?
So its not just equality for all in Communism. It's been acknowledged by most Communist thinkers that a cadre of elites need to be at the top to direct the masses.

Why do libs support it? Because they imagine that they will be at the top directing the death squads. Some people actually just want to be the death squads.

If liberals really believed in their leftwing shit, they would organise their lives to live in communes and share profits etc. But they don't. They love their consumerism and all the benefits and products from a (somewhat) capitalist society.

It's the same shit as when non-whites bitch about "white supremacy". I tell them there are tons of non-white countries they can move to, if its SO BAD here. And they don't. Because they are comfortable here and deep down they know the system works. It's all about having power to hurt the people they hate and control over other people.

>>140088203
A house is not private property, unless you are renting it. Your personal items are personal property, property of you, the worker. A factory, a farm, an apartment building; these are private property. Property owned by a capitalist, property that exploits the worker.

>>140087024
Its not that they are bad philosophies. Its just that we as people are bad.

But no worse than say, a rat. Or a baboon.

So...........we're fine.

>>140089232
>He was a reporter for like ten years...
If he were alive today, he'd be a hipster faggot writing about the political significance of shoving things up his ass.

>>140093667

Again I must refer you back to this post >>140092399

Hitler's insistence on retaining private property has little relevance on the socialist policies forced onto the economy. Indeed, he felt that any type of economic individualism would be first experienced after the second world war. Hitler's socialism was sine qua non form of socialism with state control of the forces of production guided through state command. Markets played an insignificant, exaggerated role. They were only "private" in name - the state directed its operation.

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>>140094481
Spot on.

>>140091376
>The vast majority of people do not automatically get to live comfortably through hard work in capitalistic societies
More comfortable than under communism. Plus, what's comfort? No not everyone lives in luxury, but then again, what basic needs aren't being met? In the UK, extreme poverty is extremely rare and even then, we can see the correlation with low IQ, substance abuse, and lack of discipline.

>>140087860
Red scum detected

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>>140094801
Private property is property that is privately owned and generally relates to land or buildings being private property. It has nothing to do with whether you rent it or not you dipshit, I don't know where you're getting your definition from but it's wrong.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/private-property.html

And this is why everyone thinks commies are idiots and uneducated, because it's the truth.

If some businessman came to you making all the wonderful promises a communist makes you'd likely reply "Get the fuck out of here!"

It should only appeal to children who don't know better and the feeble minded. Yet, somehow it grasps the imaginations of many more including the educated who ought to be suspicious of the big promise.

This leads me to conclude that those who find it appealing do so out of envy or jealousy. They deny this, yet despite all the overwhelming evidence of its failures and the massive body count, they persist. "That wasn't communism! We'll get it right this time." So, it's either stupidity or envy/jealously that drives them.

>>140092175
No lol. Capitalism takes away the fruits in the form of wage slavery. Your boss takes most of the money you earned.

>>140095059

Forgot to mention that Hitler disbanded unions, introduced forced labor, and made incurred unpayable debts before the start of WW2.

>>140087024
the only thing stopping capitalism from being the only working form of government is USURY, and by extension, CORRUPTION

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>>140091718
You're fucking retarded, i am sorry i just cannot even fathom how retarded you are.
I am quite rich, i made a lot of money. You know how i made a lot of money? By busting my ass and working for it.

If Communism was in place, i wouldn't be able to have the large house i have. I'd live in a box with the rest of you people. The same box as my next door friend.

I don't want a world where everyone is equal. I want a world where everyone has the same chances to do what i did and make a lot of money and enjoy capitalism.

>>140087024
What racial type are you?

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>>140095459
Try to be the boss. Risk your labor with 50% risk of losing everything.

>>140094776
Leninism advocates a vangaurd class of revolutionaries to lead and educate revolutionary workers parties for a short amount of time, not for elites to rule the working class. Also liberals do not want communism, liberals hate communism.

>>140087024
An unnecessarily elaborate system of justifying theft.

>>140087798
Look at this triggered faggot

>>140095333
It is you who is uneducated, personal property is the property of the individual worker, private property is owned by those who own the means of production, private property is the means of production.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_property

>>140095608
ummmmm

I'm white with Scottish, British and Australian descendants. I don't see what this has to do with the topic at hand

>>140095611
I don't need a boss, nobody needs a boss, read about syndicalism.

>>140095459
>Your boss takes most of the money you earned.
The owners of the business also put up the capital and took the risk to start the business that employs you.

You trade your time and effort for a salary. You then use that salary at will to purchase what you would like. The more skilled and rare the work you do, the more you get paid. If you go beyond expectation, workers often receive bonuses. Owners have an interest in taking care of workers that are skilled. Unskilled workers are so replaceable that yes, they get screwed. But then the solution is to develop a skill. And in today's world, that is not as difficult as some people make it out to be.

This isn't hard to understand.

>>140095506
Corruption was far more prevalent in literally any instance of communism ever attempted. For fuck's sake, Russia is still dealing with corruption from the USSR days today. Back then you had to pay a bribe just to get your cable turned on or you could wait 4 months in line after filing the initial request. The people that exalt communism as some great imaginary savior either have little to no exposure to people who actually lived under communism (because they'd get knocked the fuck out talking to them about how great it was) or are just absolutely deluded. The fact that it's mostly high-schoolers/first/second year college students who think the shit would ever work further solidifies the fact that it's just kids being contrarian assholes and not so much people that actually believe in the shit.

>>140095960
We were talking about private property, not personal property. Nice try with the propaganda though you obvious idiot. You could just admit you were wrong, but we already know leftists have their heads too far up their own asses to ever do that.

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This is my redpill, if you are truly a commy, then you are an anti-semite, because the power is in hands of (((the capitalist))), therfore, natsoc is your greatest ally, and your brother.

Even if jews created and promoted comunism, a cultured commie can see the jews as the true enemy.

>>140095620
>Leninism advocates a vangaurd class of revolutionaries to lead and educate revolutionary workers parties for a short amount of time, not for elites to rule the working class.

Dress it up how you want - it's an unaccountable elite that directs the rest of society.

>>140087024
>Hey can you guy's please redpill me on why communism and socialism is bad.
the difference between
forced equality of opportunity
and
forced equality of outcome

think about it

>>140095459
>Your boss takes most of the money you earned.

Something like 50% of businesses go bust in the first year and 2/3rds are gone by the second year. Good entrepreneurs need to have savings built up before launching so they can afford to pay their workers during the initial lean months/years. Workers get paid even when the owner doesn't. Further, though being a entrepreneur is the best path to becoming wealthy, most owners who succeed achieve a sold middle-class life. It's a lot of hard work and enormous risk for the remote chance of a big pay off.

>>140096071
Im a construction worker so don't lecture me about learning a trade. The things I create with my labor are worth far more than what im paid, if it wasn't for the union I would be paid nothing. Are you a boss? Have you ever worked hard labor? If not, I don't understand why you wanna suck the bosses dick. I don't want to be employed by my boss, I want to collectively own the means of production with my fellow workers and make 100% of the value of what I create.

>>140096212
Okay. You were conflating the two until I linked you that. You don't own private property pal.

>>140096238
Leninism is one hypothesis of communism, communism is a science and there are many theories to it, it's not a system of governance but an ideal. Look up mao's concept of people's war.

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>>140096611
No, I wasn't conflating anything. Your definition of private property was wrong from the start then you changed from "private property" to "personal property" to try and save face, "pal." You're fucking corny on top of being wrong as fuck but say whatever you like no one's fooled. Anyone can read the thread and see what you tried to do and failed at.

>>140096359
It's not hard work, they get to keep their bodies and their health, we workers do not.

>>140096611
I think you have reading comprehension problems. The definition of private property is something like a factory, something that produces, you know, a means of production. A house is personal property, it doesn't produce anything.

>>140097106
Oops
>>140096961

>>140095464
He disbanded the corrupt Jew owned work unions which he was correct in doing, that led to the strength through joy programme and other thing
>forced labour
Good. Scum should be forced to work
>Unpayable debt
Couldn't of been a worse debt than when he first got in, he started printing his own money aswell and didnt follow the retarded Jewish gold standard anymore

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>>140097106
The definition of private property isn't contingent upon whether it produces anything, you incredible jackass. For fuck's sake I linked the definition and even copy-pasted part of it and you still don't get it. You must be using a proxy because no American could be this fucking stupid. Factories can be private property but it's contingent upon who owns it, not if or what it produces.

Communism/Socialism explained by my elders and teachers in high school/university who lived in Yugoslavia is this:
>Клaти вpaтa, зeмaј плaтa.
Which means "Swing doors, get paid".

Basically people litteraly just opened/closed doors and got paid. There were tons of imaginary (non-existent) job positions. Something like in The Office where Dwight is "assistant manager to the assistant regional manager".

Also there wasn't work culture at all, people who worked at the factories litterally worked for 2-3 hours and wasted their other hours in drinking and what not. Also if their job time was from 7am to 3pm, all of the workers would be at the exit gate by 2pm lol.

People weren't bothered by this much because they knew that they will get paid by the goverment at the end of the month.

>>140097635
That sounds awesome

>>140095960
>personal property is the property of the individual worker, private property is owned by those who own the means of production

This is a rhetorical trick you're perpetrating.

Private property is a legal designation for the ownership of property by non-governmental legal entities. Private property is distinguishable from public property, which is owned by a state entity; and from collective (or cooperative) property, which is owned by a group of non-governmental entities.

Hence, private property may also owned by person. It is non moveable, such as land. Personal property is moveable, such as a car, an oven, money, or a shirt also owned by a person. In some cases a car and an oven may be a means of production too, for example if I'm a baker.

A personal home is private property. If I own 10 homes that's also private property. If I own a factory it's private property too.

The 'means of production' nonsense you've adding to your comment is communist jargon.

>>140097309

>jews owned all the work unions

That's a lie you dumb nigger. Hitler disbanded it because he thought the leaders were conspiring in a capitalist plot against the state.

"Workers! Your institutions are sacred to us National Socialists. I myself am a poor peasant's son and understand poverty... I know the exploitation of anonymous capitalism. Workers! I swear to you, we will not only keep everything that exists, we will build up the protection and the rights of the workers still further." - speech given to Lay from Hitler

>forced labour. Good. Scum should be forced to work

Work without pay lmao! It's definitely not socialism!!!

>Couldn't of been a worse debt than when he first got in, he started printing his own money aswell and didnt follow the retarded Jewish gold standard anymore

hahahaha

The german government revenue in 1928 was 10 billion marks against 12 billion marks in spending. In 1939, it was 15 billion in revenue against 30 billion in spending. The Germans started World War II with a debt of 40 billion Reichsmarks - against a GDP of just over 30 billion Reichsmarks. Germany started a ruinous war with the same debt load that the United States finished the war with. How about that?

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>>140097635
Wow it's almost, like, amazing how the USSR couldn't sustain itself economically. Total mystery as to why it collapsed, I tell ya.

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>>140097864
Yeah it does, till the bills come and your goverment can't sustain itself and falls apart.

Sry for red text

>>140087024
The only people who want communism are the ones who already have nothing to live for.

>>140098180
Dang, you've opened my eyes. I guess you Germans really are retards who voted in and supported a madman to the bitter end for no good reason
Onwards to unrestricted Capitalism! Praise Churchill! Praise Israel! Awoo

>>140087024
>Hey can you guy's please redpill me on why communism and socialism is bad.


Because they both strip people of their individualism.

Because they both place the majority of people in to poverty while elevating the ruling class into a ultra lavish lifestyle.

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>>140098346
I wonder too...it seems like the perfect plan

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>>140087024
anecdote time
>go to friend's house for a BBQ birthday party
>friend who's birthday it is invites one of his friends that we don't know yet
>whatever
>i meet him and get to talking
>he studied economics in high school
>'oh cool, what's your favorite sociopolicital system?'
>communism
>... what?
>'yeah, everyone had their own and you couldn't really complain about anything'
>mfw someone who studies economics actually argued FOR communism and i fucking witnessed it
During the afternoon he was generally very unpleseant and totally ruined the mood for me. Within a hour of knowing me he tried to join in on the little subtle inside jokes me and my other friends had with each other. He should be fucking gassed.

>>140087719
Epic meme XD

>>140096547
>if it wasn't for the union I would be paid nothing.

Why would you report to a construction site if you were being paid nothing? Have you been enslaved? If you're a slave why are you goofing off here and not working for your owner?

You have agency, mate. You made decision to learn a trade, acquire some skills, and sell your labour to one of many potential employers. Presumably you own some tools, but not all the tools, to perform the task of construction.

You could also choose to go into business for yourself, invest your money to buy a variety of needed tools, and employ people to use those. In addition to bidding on contracts and supervising work, you get to do a lot paperwork or hire other people to perform those tasks for you.

>>140087770
>FEE

>>140087438
there is no state in communism?

>>140088326
Inadvertent argument for communism

>>140098821

>Dang, you've opened my eyes. I guess you Germans really are retards who voted in and supported a madman to the bitter end for no good reason

Yeah! It's not like the plurality (70%) of the German population voted against Hitler! It's not like Hitler lost the election of 1932/1933 and was only given power after the winner, Hindenburg, declared him Chancellor! lol!

>Onwards to unrestricted Capitalism!

Well, unlike you, I'm willing to make pragmatic compromises. I'll be enjoying life and liberty while you crawl back into the socialist filth you came from.

>>140099645
It's an argument against the propaganda and rhetoric of socialists/communists and pretty obvious at that.

>>140099625

Marx wrote that the State exists only for the sake of private property, so by eliminating private property you eliminate the need for the State.

Marx held a utopian's view of human beings and the behavior. No state claiming to end private ownership of the means of production ended its existence. If anything the state grew, becoming rigid, oppressive, cruel, and totalitarian.

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>>140087024
Communism is a stateless society so it can only be established upon destruction of every nation state which it tries through socialism.
The socialist stat can only achieve this by being totalitarian and becoming the exact demon it tries to purge.
Fascism is the nation states answer to communism by establishment of a totalitarian state with the only difference that it makes no claim to global dominance but is otherwise identical.
>tl;dr
The only difference between socialism and fascism is ideological but they are for all practical purposes identical which is why everyone hates you.

>>140088963
He was an anarchist socialist brw

>>140099954
99% approval ratings ;)

>>140100818

Ah! So it's justified to seize power undemocratically, by force, like you seize the means of production? Damn, you guys really are always one murder away from Utopia!