Dumb centrist thread.

>>140015082
your picture is cut off retard

>>140015082
>Being a centrist means not holding any serious convictions or beliefs.
Thats fucking retarded.

>>140015133
>>140015164
its the first one i found. just a placeholder

Extremism is a virus, and ideologues are the vector. I am very serious about this conviction.

in probably going to regret asking this but, why? Why is choosing to stay in the middle and not holding any radical beliefs exactly a bad thing?

>>140015653
*I'm

>>140015393
a centrist wouldnt have made this stupid mistake

>>140015653
Thats not what im saying, Im saying that we need to criticize the center as well as the sides.

>>140015653
Because it's pointless, and you should just not participate in politics if that's the case. You're given an issue to take a stance on, and either you're too ignorant to make a decision, or you just don't care. Either way it's bad.

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>tfw centrism isn't fence sitting and is actually a political stance distinct from both left and right

>>140016248

You do know it's possible to have a nuanced opinion, right? Centrists don't refuse to take a side; they try to understand the issue from multiple perspectives.

>>140016765
>Be not me someone who didnt vote(i voted dont worry)
>dont vote
>complain about the candidate

>>140016765

I'll gladly support a candidate if I think they're right for the office. I happily voted for Obama in 2008, but there was no way in hell I was going to vote for Hillary. Stop being a fucking sheep.

>>140016680
>>140017046
that's great and all but 90% of the time centrists are people who have nothing to contribute besides just shitting out "both sides are dumb :)" and then try to steer the conversation away from the subject of politics. the best i've seen them do is poking holes in either side's theories and arguments, but never posting any of their own. that's why they're hated and mocked. your version of a "reasonable centrist who looks at problems from multiple sides" is simply too rare if he exists

>>140016147
>Im saying that we need to criticize the center as well as the sides.

Why not just criticize positions on certain issues instead of lumping a bunch of unrelated issues together into "sides"? Why should my stance on immigration line up with my stance on gun control when they're two totally separate issues?

CENTRISM DOESN'T IMPLY MODERATION REEEEEEEEE

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>>140021526
disgusting fucking kike

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>>140015082
Pic related is outdated, but I think it could work.

>>140015653
>should we kill all of the Jews or none of the Jews?
>haha I'm a centrist so just half

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>>140016619

>>140015082
Extremist positions are for autists who can only think in black and white

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>>140022286
>he thinks politics is binary

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>>140022996

>>140016147
kys

>>140022249
Do you actually think that would have been the centrist position? The question wasn't weather or not to kill all the Jews, it was what should be done about the Jews fucking up our country.

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>>140022286
Where's the picture of the Democrat eating the whole shit and telling everyone shit tastes great and the Republicans selling your shit eating habits to the highest bidder

>>140016680
That's what extremists do

>>140017898
>poking holes in either side's theories and arguments is not extremely valuable and useful.
kek

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>>140015082
bof sides r bad

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>>140015082
I invite "centrists" to post policy positions on a point-by-point basis.
>Gun rights
>Immigration
>Monetary policy + banking
>Foreign policy
>Abortions
>Gay marriage
>Private discrimination (free association)
>Health care
>Welfare
>Freedom of speech
>Whether or not evolution is real
>Whether or not race is a determinant of behavior, in accordance with your answer to the last question
Put your money where your mouths are and take a stand, "skeptics".

>>140022249
>>should we kill all of the Jews or none of the Jews?
nazism is a centrist ideology, and authoritarian at libertarian/autoritarian axies

>>140027833
>Gun rights
In America, specifically. Tighter restrictions including mandatory gun-safety education, but none of them monetary. A formal review of the efficacy of existing firearm safety courses, and the formalisation of approved systems with proven effectiveness.

>Immigration
I'm torn on the issue. The first thing I'd like to see is both sides presenting actual numbers for the immigration levels that they consider to be sustainable and economically beneficial, so that it's no longer just an issue of "less than they say; more than they say", and there's actual figures which we can compare with various predictive models.

>Monetary policy + banking
Be more specific.

>Foreign policy
Be more specific.

>Abortions
Legal up till 4 months in most cases; later in cases of danger to the mother or a demonstrable inability of the parent/s to raise the child. Possible tightening of these standards if/when the foster system is drastically improved.

>Gay marriage
Legalised.

>Private discrimination (free association)
What do you mean by this?

>Health care
Widely expanded. Single-payer.

>Welfare
Widely expanded. Single-payer.

>Freedom of speech
What do you mean by this?

>Whether or not evolution is real
Of course it's real.

>Whether or not race is a determinant of behavior, in accordance with your answer to the last question

It may well be a determinate, but the importance of that one single factor is difficult to assess. Certainly, the extension of equal rights and treatment can only do good in terms of equalising behavioural outcomes regardless of race.

>>140027833
>Gun rights
Free reign, felonies forego rights to firearms, without appeals process

>Immigration
Highly scrutinized.

>Monetary policy + banking
Slow, steady growth

>Foreign policy
Don't fuck with us, we won't fuck with you

>Abortions
In case of terminal diagnosis for mother, or child, sure, otherwise, No.

>Gay marriage
Whatever, let the fags be happy

>Private discrimination (free association)
Fine.

>Health care
Privatized with limitations

>Welfare
Only in extreme circumstances, shit happens, with plan of action to get out.

>Freedom of speech
That seems pretty constitutional to me

>Whether or not evolution is real
Undetermined, more data needed, seems to be leading hypothesis

>Whether or not race is a determinant of behavior, in accordance with your answer to the last question
In all cases, no, in some cases, yes

>>140027833
I see myself as a centrist
>Gun rights
People should be free to own any weapons they can afford, it's private business decision to decide if arms are allowed on their property. On public/government property it is the governments choice whether arms are allowed and what kind. Yes technically this means citizens can own nuclear weapons, but good luck getting it or the necessary materials transported across private or public property to where you want it to be. Licenses are stupid, it should be private sellers right to screen buyers for mental illness.
>Immigration
Literally as simple as seeing if the immigrant has a college degree from an acceptable source
>Monetary policy + banking
Don't know enough to comment
>Foreign policy
Fuck off out of everyone else's business. Only get involved if the country is military threat to citizens. Sending soldiers off to die for special interests and private business interests is unethical.
>Abortions
The mothers choice. Infanticide was practiced regularly in human history. Hell the human body even naturally aborts babies for whatever fuck reasons, no reason we should see deliberate abortion as an issue.
>Gay marriage
Government should have to recognize any and all marriages. Private businesses do not.
>Private discrimination (free association)
Private businesses should be free to discriminate in any manner they choose. If a business decides they don't want niggers, that's their prerogative. And if that business model just happens to be particularly successful, well...it says a lot more about niggers than it does them.
>Health care
Literally no reason government funded healthcare shouldn't be a thing. Every other civilized country has it. It's literally as simple a concept as social security except not aged base. Everyone puts money in, sick people get money out. Hospitals can remain private, and there should still be private insurance available. Utilizing private insurance does not preclude you from access your share
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How should we deal with healthcare policy?

>Far-Right
>We should strive for a free market system and fuck the poor LOL

>Far-Left
>We should have a universal system of healthcare, who cares how we pay LOL.

>Radical Center
>We should consider existing public policy on healthcare and identify successful models that can then be adjusted accordingly to the realities on the ground and applied accordingly.

>We should promote evidence-based public policy in order to identify the best possible solution and promote an effective sustainable healthcare policy.

>>140027833
>Gun rights
Repeal NFA/GCA/Hughes Amendment/all import bans, everyone should be able to own whatever weapons they want, restrictions on where you can shoot should be decided by localities
>Immigration
Unconditional for all whites, conditional on having useful skills for certain minorities (Asians, Indians, Arabs from rich countries like Qatar, etc...), bar entry to blacks and unskilled minorities, expel Jews
>Monetary policy + banking
Partially revert back to gold standard
>Foreign policy
Isolationist, ally with Russia
>Abortions
Pro-choice
>Gay marriage
I'm fine with it
>Private discrimination (free association)
Allow it
>Health care
Abolish insurance, implement universal system
>Welfare
Abolish all of it and replace with unconditional basic income for the lower and lower middle/working class
>Freedom of speech
Legalize libel/slander and roll back to at least 1970s copyright laws, but otherwise keep as is
>Whether or not evolution is real
Evolution is a proven fact and religions need to adapt to this
>Whether or not race is a determinant of behavior, in accordance with your answer to the last question
Collectively it can be but there are exceptions for some individuals

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So let me get this straight, we should have the ideological equivalent between obesity and anorexia? Why not have a middle sustainable middle ground in which you maintain a healthy diet without consuming excessive amounts of calories

>>140027833
cont'd
>Welfare
Remove all welfare. No food stamps, no housing assistance, etc.
Instead there is universal basic income. Children do not qualify for UBI, and neither do immigrants. Having more children will NOT entitle you to additional funds. People who want to be useless sacks of shit are okay, the problem is when those people have children and taxpayers have to cover for them in an increasing burden because more children == more welfare creating incentive to have more children you don't even particularly care for. This is why niggers are so bad. Their mothers don't even care about their kids, it's literally a paycheck for them.
>Freedom of speech
Government cannot persecute you for speech. That's literally what we have right now. Private businesses have no obligation to host your speech. /pol/ crying about google and youtube censorship is stupid. Shouldn't have let those businesses become so dominant in the first place. Literally your own fault.
>Whether or not evolution is real
Evolution is true, don't be stupid. Science and facts has no bearing on politics unless it does, such as racial differences. Anyone who thinks belief in evolution should effect their political opinions are retarded.
>Whether or not race is a determinant of behavior, in accordance with your answer to the last question
Behavior is determined by genetics. Race literally doesn't matter. If you're really paranoid about races seek a career in genetic engineering. Put your money where your mouth is and actually work towards fixing the problem instead of ranting about niggers.

I'm black. I might agree with national socialist/alt right politics if you guys didn't want me dead, or treated as a second class citizen, or wanted me removed from my country of birth.

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>>140027833
>Gun rights: somewhat regulated/background checks no guns for hood niggers
>Immigration earned immigration only after intense background checks
>Monetary policy + banking: free market
>Foreign policy: Isolationism unless it's justified (harms interests etc)
>Abortions abortion is murder. people should deal with the consequences of their actions
>Gay marriage don't care
>Private discrimination (free association)
>Health care fuck socialism
>Welfare no welfare for people capable of working but refuse to
>Freedom of speech Free for everyone/no censorship
>Whether or not evolution is real evolution is real
>Whether or not race is a determinant of behavior, in accordance with your answer to the last question: not completely but it plays a role (too many variables)

>>140015423
"Extreme" is totally relative. What was considered sane and healthy 70 years ago would be regarded as extreme by many now. Congrats on being nothing more than a defender of the status quo.

>>140030767
>it should be private sellers right to screen buyers for mental illness.

What incentive do they have to do this at all, let alone do it competently?

>Only get involved if the country is military threat to citizens

What about it's own citizens?

>Government should have to recognize any and all marriages. Private businesses do not.

How does that mesh with private insurance, or any privatised sectors of wellfare/healthcare?

>>140031248
>everyone should be able to own whatever weapons they want, restrictions on where you can shoot should be decided by localities

How does this model deal with accidental death and suicide?

>Abolish insurance, implement universal system

What do you mean by this?

>>140031416
>Children do not qualify for UBI

What about those with no financial support from parents?

>Behavior is determined by genetics. Race literally doesn't matter.

Is there no correlation between Race and genetics?

If race does not effect behaviour, how does this gel with your idea that "niggers are so bad. Their mothers don't even care about their kids, it's literally a paycheck for them."?

>>140031534
>no guns for hood niggers

What about hood wiggers?
How does one determine hoodedness?

>free market

At what point do we determine predatory business practices to be impinging on the operation of the free market?

>Isolationism unless it's justified

When is it justified?

>people should deal with the consequences of their actions

What about situations of rape, etc?

What about situations where the person in question cannot deal with the consequences of their actions? Are we to punish the children for the mistakes of their parents?

>no welfare for people capable of working but refuse to

How do you determine this?

>>140030096
You're not a centrist

>>140030206
What limitations do you want for healthcare? A fully privatized system would work much better

>>140030968
>fuck the poor LOL

Ok bra inlet nigger the idea is to let people pay for their own mistakes. Let fat asses die for being fatasses

>>140032537
Why not? I'm not against gun-ownership, but I think it needs to be more tightly regulated; I've not provided a stance on immigration, only suggested a new approach to the question; In a perfect world I'd be pro-life, but I recognise we don't live in such a world and need to make concessions for that; and I believe that race is a determinant for behaviour, but not the only one.

>>140032369
>What incentive do they have to do this at all, let alone do it competently?
They are partially liable for firearms sold that are used in a crime.
>What about it's own citizens?
That's what I mean. As in, we don't get involved in North or South Korea because it's literally not our problem and the only people who really care are the global capitalist class who don't really represent the average US citizens interests.
>How does that mesh with private insurance, or any privatised sectors of wellfare/healthcare?
If you read the rest of my post, it doesn't need to mesh with them. Government assistance is individually based, and it's up to the private sector to determine whether they care. But I guess there is some funky things like "Government recognizes your marriage but the hospital doesn't and refuses to let you see them." I guess the free market/social contract will have to fix that one. Policy can't fix everything.
>What about those with no financial support from parents?
Ideally if you parents don't care about you they never had you in the first place. I guess birth control and abortions should be counted towards the health care system.
>Is there no correlation between Race and genetics?
There is a correlation between race and genetics because any competent standard of "race" is determined by genetics.
"Everyone from Africa is part of the African race, and everyone from the African race has X traits." is stupid. "People with genes X are predisposed towards trait Y" makes sense.
Race is useless when you can directly read a persons genetics and tell what they are predisposed to.
Racism is useless artifact from if/when you don't have that level of precision.

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>>140027833
> lax guns
laws but background checks so mohamed can't get an ak-47

>Immigration
We'll let wong lee the heart surgeon in but not carlos the fruit picker

>Monetary policy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school_of_economics

>Foreign policy
Relatively isolationist except when nation/allies are attacked

>Abortions
unless someone's gonna die it should be illegal

>Private discrimination
depends on the levels of ownership and sevarity

>Gay marrige
whatever

>health care
health care for those who cannot work and provide for themselves/family

> welfare
same as health care

>freedom of speech
always protected

>evolution
is proven by a mountain of evidence, both archaeologically and observably by humans

>race realism
while intelligence to a degree is genetically inherited, it is hard to determine whether it different by race because of environmental factors and the fact that most non biased scientists wont touch the issue do to "muh racism"

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>Implying normal distribution doesn't mean MOST people are centrists.

>Implying being moderate and balanced in ones thinking is somehow an attempt to avoid debate.

>Implying extremists aren't just larping edgelords.

>>140035307
>extremists

We've already talked about that silly term >>140031589

>>140033019
In the current political Celine you are for
>tighter gun restrictions
>want widely expanded healthcare and welfare
>ok with abortions

You're definitely a lefty. More similar to a majority of democrats

>>140035545

You can't rag on centrists for being near the center and then say extremism is relative. They're both relative. The center is only the "center" in relation to the extremes. Learn you will, in time.

>oh boy, another episode of /pol/ thinking Centrism is just not having an opinion
>sage

>>140027833
>Gun rights

pro gun even fully automatic ones to be legally owned.

>Immigration

right now shut it down. later if needed reopen to legal immigration. boarder jumpers should be hunted down and chucked back where they belong.

>monetary policy+ banking

need more specifics

>Abortion

Pro choice

>Gay marriage

really don't care one way or the other

>private discrimination

If its your business you should be free to hire who you want.

>Health care

I'd like to see free universal healthcare but with things the way they are with huge debt, wasteful gov spending... probably not going to be realistic any time soon

>welfare

6 months max

>freedom of speech

I'm on /pol/ wtf do you think faggot

>evolution

yes I am pro scientific facts so I believe in it.

>Whether or not race is a determinant of behavior, in accordance with your answer to the last question

I certainly believe there is some thing to it and I believe it should be looked into more and studied more with out cries of "muh racism"

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>>140015082
The left and right are insane. Kill yourself.
The only think pol should want is chaos, don't pick anyone side but your own.

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>>140027833
>>Gun rights
Constitutional right, but with background checks, and registering, and mandatory training, in according to the "promote general welfare" clause.
>>Immigration
Extreme Nativist. Must speak English, must renounce dual citizenship, must know USA facts at College Level. No Quotas from shit countries
>>Monetary policy + banking
??? I don't have a problem with Jews, economically i'm your regular neoliberal joe. But I'm against stuff like minimum wage and rent control. Want Unions have more power tho.
>>Foreign policy
America First. Lead by example, not by force. No more wars except in defense. Must need congress approval again. No more bullshit president shit, unless in actual pearl harbor situation
>>Abortions
Legal, but is killing an unborn child. I'm not one of those "its a parasite" fucks. It's a undeveloped human.
>>Gay marriage
marriage shouldn't exist as a legal framework
>>Private discrimination (free association)
private businesses should do whatever they want, but if they receive public funding they cannot discriminate. If they don't receive funding, whatever
>>Health care
Universal Health Care
>>Welfare
Universal Basic Income, after Automation skyrockets; to replace all other forms of welfare
>>Freedom of speech
Nearly absolute. Only exception is direct threat, against direct person, under immediate threat. Example of illegal: "I'm gonna fucking kill Obama, right the fuck now," facebook post with a picture of a gun. Example of extremist but still legal: "All fucking blacks must fucking hang, and I don't care who does it or when," with picture of 1940s lynching.
>>Whether or not evolution is real
100% real. Christcucks go home.
>>Whether or not race is a determinant of behavior, in accordance with your answer to the last question
IQ is 90% biological

>>140040884
Nah leave freedom of speech alone. It's fine how it is.

wouldn't mind if radical trash killed each other to their hearts' content. that way they could all die doing what they loved - hurting people - and leave the rest of us alone

>>140031244
>See, commies are cool, too! Visit us at www.leftypol.so
Fuck off, Brockpuppet.

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>>140027833
>Gun rights
Background checks. Not allowed to be owned by felons.
>Immigration
Little to none with an exception with most western European countries.
>Monetary policy + banking
Central bank but still promote the micro economy,
>Abortion
Legal but must be paid by the person, not the state. Only accepted if they are going to injure themselves, the baby, or the baby will have physical/mental inhibitions.
>Gay marriage
Legal but not encouraged. Illegal once neurologists can actually make gays straight.
>Private discrimination
No restrictions, except when it breaks the constitution.
>Health care
Universal health care, but only once the debt is fixed
>Welfare
4 months is more than enough to find someplace to get some money.
>Freedom of speech
You can say anything. The only exception is a legitimate threat with intent.
>Whether or not evolution is real
It's real. I'm interested deeply in evolutionary psychology.
>Race stuff and last question
To an extent. IQ and things of that nature are tied to genetics which is tied to race (why blacks are fucking retarded most of the time), but I believe the complexities of the ice age caused Asians and Whites to have higher IQs. Jews are only on the top because they have higher IQs on average compared to whites.

>>140016680
Or recoil from the thought of open and honest discussion, instead proclaiming 'that's identity politics' or something similar and effectively stifling the free exchange of ideas.

>>140027833
>Gun rights
Good standing in society only, preferably a points system based on job, family, criminal history, ...
>Immigration
At least a diploma, native language mastery is a must; no path to naturalization unless marriage with native and with kids
>Monetary policy + banking
Strong central bank, go nuts with QE
20% reserve in banks
>Foreign policy
Serve self first, predatory towards failing states
Otherwise stay out
>Abortions
No limits whatsoever, FOC if unwed, sterilization on 3rd strike
>Gay marriage
No, but all rights of that come with marriage are available and to be applied for separately
>Private discrimination (free association)
Do whatever
Exception for utilities - heavily regulated to prevent discrimination
>Health care
Free basic services only (shit provided to africans), encourage private care for others
>Welfare
Subsistence level UBI given, will still put you firmly in the poverty line
>Freedom of speech
Knock yourself out
>Whether or not evolution is real
Real
>Whether or not race is a determinant of behavior, in accordance with your answer to the last question
To some extent, but with exceptions at the individual level

>>140015773
a centrist makes no mistakes friendo