Did the right side win?

Whoever hates commies and loves their king

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>>140003730
>>140003942

quick rundown

And they didn't have a king by then

Did Spain have a civil war?

>>140004363
>>140004363
burger education

>>140004363
Sharters don't even know about fascist Spain, not surprising desu

>>140004363
bait

>>140004363
Are you retarded?

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>>140004363

for about a year after he died, SNL's fake news included "and Francisco Franco is still dead".

hope that helps

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>>140004155
-Republican faction:
->Political groups:
-->Popular Front: alliance of leftist parties, all progressive, republican, secularist/anti-clericalist and "anti-fascist"; it had communists, socialists, left-liberals and social democrats, having as it's members:
----o Spanish Socialist Workers' Party (PSOE): Still exists, nowadays it's Social Democracy and Pro-europeanism, back then it was socialist.
----o Communist Party of Spain (PCE): Still exists, Communism and Republicanism.
----o Worker's Party of Marxist Unification (POUM): Marxism, Libertarian Marxism, Communism, Impossibilism, Anti-Stalinism, Trotskyism.
----o Republican Left (IR): Republicanism, anti-clericalism, "anti-fascism".
----o Republican Union (UR): Republicanism, Progressivism, Social liberalism, Laicism (State Secularism).

-->Regional Nationalist Parties: Basque and catalan nationalists.
--->Basque Nationalists:
----o Basque Nationalist Party (EAJ): Still exists. Currently: Basque nationalism, regionalism, christian democracy, conservatism, conservative liberalism. Catholic and conservative from the start. Wants greater basque autonomy.
----o Basque Nationalist Action (EAE): Still exists. Non-confessional, leftist splinter of the EAJ. Currently: Basque nationalism, basque independence, left-wing nationalism, anticapitalism.
--->Catalan Nationalists:
----o Republican Left of Catalonia (ERC): Still exists. Catalan nationalism, catalan independence, left-wing nationalism, republicanism, democratic socialism, economic liberalism, soft euroscepticism (today).
----o Acció Catalana Republicana (ACR): Catalan nationalism, republicanism, democratic liberalism.
----o Estat Català: Still exists. Catalan independentism, republicanism. Paramilitary from the start.

->Unions
-->CNT/FAI: Confederación Nacional del Trabajo ("National Confederation of Labour")/Federación Anarquista Ibérica (Iberian Anarchist Federation).
----o Anarcho-syndicalists
----o Anarcho-communists.
----o Pan-Iberianism.

>>140007322
-->UGT: Unión General de Trabajadores (General Union of Workers)
----o Marxist Socialism.

->Military Groups
-->Armed forces of the Spanish Republic
----o People's Republican Army.
----o Spanish Republican Navy.
----o Carabineros (law-enforcement).
----o Guardias de Asalto (heavy reserve force of the urban police force of Spain during the Second Republic).
----o Spanish Republican Air Force

-->Regional armies
----o Basque Army
----o Basque Auxiliary Navy
----o People's Army of Catalonia

--> International support:
----o International Brigades: 40000 individual volunteers from 52 nations, usually socialists, communists or anarchists.
----o Other volunteers: Around 3000 foreigners who fought in CNT and POUM.
----o Mexico: $2,000,000 in aid and material assistance (including aircraft like the Bellanca CH-300 and Spartan Zeus)
----o USSR: Material assistance, in total 806 planes, 362 tanks, 1555 artillery pieces. Also military advisers and 500 troops + volunteers.

>>140003730
anything but communist or anarchism

>>140004363
>reads reply
>obvious bait
>looks at flag
>not so sure anymore

>>140003730
anyone with pink or purple in their flag is automatically the enemy

>>140005043
really?

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>>140003730
Yes, the right side won but it wasn't perfect. Franco went all national-catholic on everybody, screwing both the Falange (fascists) and the Requetés (feudal traditionalists). Still his dictatorhip was 40 years of political stability and economic prosperity.

Of course the Spanish leftists spit on his name and always try to find ever more ridiculous ways of making him worse than Hitler. It's not PC to talk about him in a good way in SPanish society, but the moment you step out of Twitter you'll find Franco is still well liked by a huge part of the population.

Best subfaction? Definitely the Carlist requetés: a faction of harcore catholics fighting to reclaim feudal rights, the resurgence of the Church in Spanish political matters and the return of the rightful king; they spent the 19th century fighting everybody over three mini-civil wars (the Carlist wars).

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of course the right side won.
If the commits had got in they would have killed millions trying to force their system on people.

Communists always kill about 10% of the population, usually the best scientists, engineers and anyone else with high IQ who would oppose them.

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>>140004572
>fascist Spain
>Franco was a fascist

>>140007355
-Nationalist faction:
->Political groups:
--> Falangists
----o FE de las JONS (1934-1937): Falange Española de las Juntas de Ofensiva Nacional-Sindicalista (Spanish Phalanx of the Councils of the National-Syndicalist Offensive): Falangism, National syndicalism, Spanish Nationalism, Fascism. Had a female wing, the Sección Femenina (Female Section). Union of two parties: The Falange Española (falangist, fascists) and JONS (national syndicalism, fascism, spanish nationalism, anticommunism and antisemitism). Several factions: the conservative one espoused by monarchists like Francisco Moreno Herrera, the authoritarian catholic one espoused by Redondo, the radical national-syndicalism of Ledesma and the eletist regenerationism of Primo de Rivera. It was republican and modernist, anti-oligarchy and anti-communist.
----o FET y de las JONS (1937 forwards): the T is for Traditionalist. After Franco took control of the party, he merged it with the traditionalist monarchist Carlist Party, a legitimist and traditionalist movement seeking the establishment of the line of Don Carlos, Count of Molina (1788-1855) in the throne (see the three Carlist Wars, they were relevant from 1833 to 1876 especially, and then after the Spanish-American war until 1977). No longer anti-clerical but national-catholic, and no longer anti-capitalist. Falangism, National Syndicalism, Spanish Nationalism, Fascism.

>>140012875
--> CEDA: The larger right (was not involved with Falangists, which was quite small, electorally speaking - 0.07% in 1936, while CEDA got 88/473 seats). Spanish Confederation of Autonomous Right-Wing Groups (Confederación Española de Derechas Autónomas): Conservatism, Political Catholicism, Anti-Marxist. In it's later years became pro-nazi Germany. In 1936 it ran in alliance with: centrist parties, Renovación Española (Spanish Renewal: monarchism, Right-wing authoritarianism, corporatism, spanish nationalism. Alfonsists), Communión Tradicionalista (Traditionalist Communion: Carlism, Traditionaism), Partido Agrario Español (Spanish Agrarian Party: Agrarianism), Spanish Nationalist Party (Spanish nationalism, monarchism, corporatism, traditionalism, national catholicism).

--> Monarchists:
----o Carlists: Already explained. "Ultratraditionalist" catholics who wanted the installation of carlist pretender Francisco Javier de Borbón as King of Spain. Anti-republican, anti-democratic and anti-socialist. Opposed both Hitler and Mussolini for their socialistic tendencies. Led by Manuel Fal Condé.
----o Alfonsists: Supported the restoration of Alfonso XIII of Spain, ousted in 1931 with the creation of the Spanish Second Republic. They had less mass support than the carlists. Ultimately, after Franco's regime ended, they won, since King Juan Carlos I was the grandson of Alfonso XIII.

->Military Groups
--> Army of Africa: Field army garrisoned in Spanish Morocco, legacy of the Rif War. Spanish Foreign Legion + Regulares, infantry and cavalry units recruited from locals in Spanish Morocco.
--> Civil Guard: Spanish law enforcement. A gendarmerie.

>>140012920
--> International support:
----o Italy: 35000 soldiers (corpo truppe volontaire), political support.
----o Germany: material, specialists, an air force contingent, the Condor Legion (expeditionary forces). German aid to the Nationalists amounted to approximately £43,000,000 ($215,000,000) in 1939 prices.
----o Portugal: semi-official 8000-12000 volunteers (the Viriatos). Let nationalists cross teir borders to use in their logistic operations.
----o Vatican City: Took their side since republicans persecuted catholics and killed a bunch of people, called the "martyrs of Spain". (This might have been included on wiki by republicucks mad at the church).
----o 1000 to 2000 english, irish, french, russian "whites", romanian and belgian volunteers.

>>140010857
some authors consider him to be. I disagree. he used them but he wasn't one.

>>140008652
>went all national-catholic on everybad
why is that bad, again?

which faction was the worst?

The side of killing commies and anarchists

>>140013048
Very good job anon, Franco was the worst since he fucked both the Monarchists and national syndicalists.
Fuck him

>>140014400
He did restore the monarchy tho

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>>140013048
You could argue (and some modern falangists and carlists do so) that rather than give way to a hardcore reaction in Spain, Franco pussied out and went middle-of-the-road non-political authoritarianism. It was national, but not as "national" as the fascists expected, and it was catholic, but not as "catholic" as the carlists wanted. Meanwhile the commies bred in the shadows, ready to take the country after Franco's death... which is what happened.

I personally think Franco was a force of Good; Jose Antonio was a zealot and the carlists wanted to break apart the country along feudal kingdoms and duchies. But I also have to admit that Franco wasn't perfect.

Worst faction? That's harder to answer. On the left side you had the mainstream republican cucks who fouht for democracy but ended up surrendering the country to the Soviets (not only politically but also economically, google Moscow gold and get ready to kek); they were sandwiched in the middle of the inner fighting between commies and anarchists and lived long enough to regret everything. Everything. The biography of Azaña (president of the Republic) is a pretty enlightening read about this whole chapter of Spanish history.

On the right side there is no contest: the Italians. The battle of Guadalajara was a fucking joke and from then on they limped their way across the peninsula, the only worthy thing about that army being their planes fucking up the republican supply lines.

>>140015568
Any specific biography? And what's wuth Italy and sucking at war?

>>140003730

reminder that franco let moor troops rape, torture and kill leftist spanish women.

on the other hand, leftists were saying "we're fighting against moors for another reconquista".

interesting fact but true. you can check on different sources.

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>>140015857
Most books I can think of are only available in Spanish. The Azaña one is La Velada en Benicarló. There is also this awesome biography of a random fascist soldier which title I've been trying to find for a while to no avail, sorry.

But yeah, learn Spanish. I think Ian Gibson) and the other brit "hispanists" (Preston mostly) publish their shit in English, but they are socialist disgraces. Still, a good place to start and Hugh Thomas isn't that bad.

>>140017200
Ok
>>140015884
>we're fighting against moors for another reconquista
Source

>>140015884
both leftists and moors aren't people so its alright

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>>140003730
>Did the right side win?
of course

>Which factions and sub-factions would you support?
the Viriatos obviously

>>140015884
>rape, torture and kill leftist spanish women
leftist women are traitors anyway so they deserve it

>>140017602

for example, republicans famous song "ay carmela" lyrics:

Luchamos contra los moros,
rumba la rumba la rumba la.
Luchamos contra los moros,
rumba la rumba la rumba la
mercenarios y fascistas,

We fight against the Moors, mercenaries, and fascists.

there are other symbolic mentions about invader moors and taking back european land from them. I'm just too lazy to find other sources.

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>>140015568
was there any member of the spanish royal family that wanted to keep the dictatorship after the dead of franco ?

>>140018442
Did they ever say reconquista tho?

>>140018442

also just at the beginning of civil war, a north african delegation came to republican government to discuss about independence of north african colonies from spain. republican government refused their demand.

then franco promised them more freedom.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu-ZHihLNK4

>>140018770
What's up with this portuguese flag

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>>140003730

Primo de Rivera's falange all the way. They were betrayed by the moor loving Franco, though.

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>>140018892
drawing our flag is hard man

>>140019395
Enjoy your ban

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>>140018641
Nope. Please remember that at this point the Bourbons had been BTFO from every other country and were pretty much living on the mercy of rich relatives in Italy or Britain.

The problem with the Bourbons, and Franco knew that from the beginning, is that they are French. They can't help themselves, it comes in their DNA. The father of Juan Carlos I, Juán de Borbón, even though he was sympathetic to the Francoist regime early on, it didn't take long before he started making statements about a modern monarchy as alternative to Franco. This, of course, didn't sit well with the Generalísimo, so he pretty much told him that if he wanted to see the Bourbon House rule again in Spain he would have to surrender his son (Juan Carlos) to be raised in Spain under his ideals and renounce to the crown. Juán de Borbón did so, Franco died, Juan Carlos I became king and went on to shit on the legacy of Franco and turn Spain into a socialist brothel.

His son, Felipe VI, ain't half bad. Cucked as hell, though. The Spanish right doesn't expect much from the Bourbons as you can understand.

Based nationalists of spain plus, their nationalist european allies - italians, portuguese and germans.

The last european nationalist victory, for history

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>>140020241
is there any chance for a boy heir or will Leonor become queen?

>>140010857
You're going off of the anti-fascist propagandist definition of fascism, that tries to discredit it as a valid modern system.

Franco was absolutely a fascist.

My grandfather (American citizen) lied about being born in Spain and fought for Franco. They rejected him the first time around for MPs or something so he switched lines and adjusted that small detail.
I'd probably support that decision, but his wife's brother got jailed for being on the other side of the conflict so it never came up much in conversation.

>>140021902
a lot of americans fought on the republicans side it almost like americans are always on the wrong side

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>>140021193
The closest thing we have to a boy heir is her cousin, Froilán, but he's a spoiled brat with a terrible attitude and the butt of plenty of jokes regarding the monarchy.

If Spain can stop itself of going full commie as usual, Leonor will become queen. Most Spanish monarchists and traditionalists are currently trying to meme Leonor into this larger-than-life figure of legend that will redeem the Bourbon House, uncuck the country, command the Great European Reconquista and Make Spain Great Again in general. One can only hope, I guess.

>>140015884
I remember reading that they used to tell them "your children will give birth to fascists"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsLz6YjGass

>>140022088
Well I clearly said he wasn't with the Republicans so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

What are some books that are worth a read on this? I picked up General Escobar's War out of curiosity but it's not the hardest history text ever.

>>140022244
>ost Spanish monarchists and traditionalists are currently trying to meme Leonor into this larger-than-life figure of legend that will redeem the Bourbon House, uncuck the country, command the Great European Reconquista and Make Spain Great Again in general
hopefully they are right

>>140022244
is Froilán a common spanish name ?

>>140003942
Well, that was the problem. None of them loved the king.

>>140022757
didnt the Renovación Española wanted to restore the spanish monarchy?

>>140014982
When he was about to die, 40 years later. He had no choice.

Fuck the monarchy btw.

>>140022244
>Most Spanish monarchists and traditionalists are currently trying to meme Leonor into this larger-than-life figure of legend that will redeem the Bourbon House, uncuck the country, command the Great European Reconquista and Make Spain Great Again in general.

wtf, she's an 11 year old girl

>>140023447
it is never to early to uncuck your country

>>140022687
Not really, no. But it's better than using his whole name: Felipe Juán Froilán de Todos los Santos.

>>140003730
Carlist hands down

>>140023447
/pol/ does the same sort of thing with barron trump
Also, to any spanish /k/ommandos out there
My gramps was born in Spain and fought for the fascist side, he didnt like to talk much about the wars, but im pretty sure he was carlist, although he did commonly express admiration for Franco
Anyway, he gave me his old mauser 98 rifle, its stamped for oveido and has a semilegible crest, chambered for 7x57mm mauser
Trigger assembly is a little bent and the stock and bayonet fixtures are fucked up, he said its from extensive melee combat in the streets, killing commies he said
So do any of you think the gun is safe to shoot?

>>140023447
sounds like a great anime desu senpai

>>140023125
Why?

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>>140003730
>Be Primo de Rivera
>Don't want to spill blood of fellow Spaniards and kill each other
>Want to help all Spaniards and unite them in common cause
>Gets arrested by lefty government
>Be falsely accused
>Act cool and honesty in court
>Everybody knows he literally did nothing wrong, but they want you to stay locked
>More and more Bullshit trials to make you stay in prison
>Finally sentenced to death for guilt by association
>To the very end believe killing fellow spaniards was wrong
>Franco takes you're movement and transforms it into his own idea and you become a Martyr
Lefties truly are subhuman at mind.

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>>140003730
yes

>>140003730
>Did the RIGHT side win?
>not LEFT political spectrum
You answered your question yourself, anon.

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>>140003730
Based Franco.

Also, I fap when I remember how Hitler sent Luftwaffe Stukas and other bombers (part of the Condor Legion) to Spain, to help bomb the shit out of commies.

>>140004363
Stop making us look bad

>>140030447
This. It's bad for optics

>>140029089
Really makes you think

Last bump

>>140004363
thanks for the laugh burger

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The right side won but it could have been better. Primo de Rivera should have been in Franco's place.

>>140037051
Hed get btfo in less than a decade

>>140003730
The Carlists naturally.

>>140037051
Primo de Rivera was a socialistic bastard.

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The nationalist. Those commies committed acts of pure evil.

>>140003730
It doesn't matter since Franco didn't want to join the Axis despite the help they gave him.

>>140003730
the falange

>>140003730

Condor Legion

>>140039265
What the fuck did they do to her?

>>140010857

Yes, his government was fascist, and they had fascist policies. It doesn't matter that he was a monarchist or a traditionalist when in the end his government was completely fascist.

Franco's Spain is one of the best examples of fascism working and improving a nation.

>>140038296
Bullshit.

>>140040480
From what I remember, Rivera was in favor of trade union syndicalism, but with a nationalist and traditionalist slant.

>>140039564
smart of him

>>140040707
Not exactly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_syndicalism

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>>140041485
How exactly? He could have went out with glory instead of his heir shitting on his legacy.

>>140041881
>keep your people out of war
>profit from it
>rule until you die

vs

>join sperg war
>get btfo
>die

>>140040191
murdered her and then exhumed her corpse and put it on display

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>>140041881
in all fairness he did prove that even a MODERATE experiment of fascism works
at the same time that may have cost us the war but at the same time it could have just simply extended it and we'd still be fucked

>>140042301
Commies were trying to spread all over Europe.

Hitler, Mussolini, Horthy, Codreanu, and Mannerheim thinned their numbers, which left the commies too exhausted to advance on Western Europe. Hitler was basically Batman.

>>140042703
Franco wasn't a fascist, he was a reactionary

I would join Primo de Rivera and remake the spanish empire

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Los Nacionales for sure

Falange were one of the best fascist parties

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>>140044418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_YEJzSBfTw