Capitalism.exe stopped working

>>139999412
Because we've been fed this false belief that our economy kept being a free market, capitalist economy while it was actually distorted into some bastardized version of its former self through the corruption of the elites and politicians they purchase. If you think what we have had since the 1970's is real capitalism, where large corporations are heavily subsidized by the government they put in place, where the small businessman and woman is crushed under the weight of rules and regulations put in place by the elites to keep them at the ultimate top of this corrupt market, where your tax dollars go to pay for the employees of these heavily subsidized and protected companies to live, then you are mistaken. This isn't capitalism, this is a disaster concocted by the elites and rich to keep themselves at the top while the rest of us toil away under the false guise that hard work will make us free.

Hard work will never keep us free when the government and it's rulers keep us from realizing our true potential.

>>139999412
capitalism still works
globalism is the worm

Keynesianism ended

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>>139999412
>>140000723
This graph has been debunked innumerably many times.

Because the kikes ended the gold standard

>>140000962
Keynesianism is bullshit. The New Deal didn't work, it made things worse.

>>139999412
this board makes me sick. The gold standard ended in 1971 that is why this happened. We are not even a capitalist society closer to communism than capitalism if you knew anything

>>139999412
Because real capitalism has never been tried :^)

>>140001156
>>140001018
you are both technically correct that the gold standard being ended is the main reason for the difference in the IPD and CPI deflators. That being said the graph is still comparing apples to oranges

>>140000969
I don't care about the graph. A government that is bought and paid for by the elites that are able to write legislation to heavily protect themselves at our expense is not a free market. That is crony capitalism, if you can even use the word capitalism anymore.

>>140000969
>factors explaining the productivity-wage gap
>bullshit: 100%

They are apples and oranges but the rise in one should come with the rise in the other.

>>139999412
We've been under a fascist economic state since the 70s: Government controlled capitalism. There is no end to it until the entire edifice collapses under it own weight.
The development of peer2peer technologies and relationships will usurp government control and install a pure capitalism based on technology.

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>>139999412

>>140001766
>We've been under a fascist economic state since the 70s: Government controlled capitalism
>this is what Americans actually believe
Yea, because all those international corporations that shill for mass migration to depress wages are totally supported by fascists

>>139999412
Capitalism got government protection.

>>140001766
Fascist? Are you fucking kidding me? How can a government that caters to the international corporations, that promote the mass migration into the very country they are supposed to preserve, that takes our money and ship it overseas for other countries, that actively promote the shipment of our jobs and livelihood from the nation, be fascist? It isn't fascism. Stop using that word like you know what it means.

the economy has been falling since capitalism ended

>>139999412
Too much government intervention

>>139999412
boomers

>>140001724
Except it's difficult to measure both, hence why they have an explanation. Do you even statistics you fucking commie?

Fiat currency and Creditism
Wouldn't hurt to adopt Lincolns green backs policy

>>139999412
1971 - Nixon closed gold window and took us completely off of a commodity based currency...

>>140001065
It did work, the neoliberalism that was phased in the 70's to replace hasn't worked.

>>139999412
it work very good

capitalism is about ownership of means of production and profit.

>>139999412
In 1971 Kissinger went to China for the Rothschilds to begin the transfer of US manfucturing for slave wages. (((Wall Street))) followed and fucked Main Street.

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>>139999412
It is not 1970, but 1971. What happened in 1971?

>>140000751

Globalism IS capitalism.

>>140003333
Nixon continued FDR's attempts from the 1930s to end the Gold Standard.

>>140003333
The Jews eventually ousted Nixon a few years later.

>>140003522
>continued attempts

Dude, the US went bankrupt in 1971. The dollar devaluated 80%. It crashed. A decade of hyperinflation without growth started... until the elites finally got an idea - go back to the good old times of slavery and no worker wage rises and high unemployment.

But something had to happen in 1980 for this all to work out. What happened in 1980 and continued to 1991?

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>>139999412
Your retard-chart proves nothing. Productivity isn't equal across the board. A small percentage of people are responsible for most of the productivity.

Here is why:
CEOs discovered that they didn't need to rise wages anymore, but just import 3rd world immigrants, and now Europe is doing the same
Capitalism at its finest

>>139999412
GOLD STANDARD

>>139999412
It has always been the international Jew banksters vs White nationalist labor. Hitler and Henry Ford were right. Hitler said that the Jew will always be master of exploitative capitalism.

i don't blame capitalism (it has its faults)

the problem is that people have 0 economic education. cars here are 100% financed, mortgage is 70% financed. add to that all the clothes and stuff the average normie buys every week or so then you have a recipe for disaster.
i mean fuck, i stopped ordering food and i saved a surprising amount of money, if i did that from the beginning i would have money that i can invest

>>140002031
State control capitalism (fascism) creates monopolies where smaller businesses cannot compete. International corporations are the logical extensions and use their monopolistic advantage to create and control the economies of other nations by manipulating commodities prices.
My use of fascism in economic is technical and not meant to refer to larpers and whitenats walking around with tikki torches.
Fascism is on the left spectrum and is the progeny of communism after it failed. The resulting ideology was fascism and was first practices by Mussolini, a life long socialist.

>>139999412
How dare you insult the Free Market (PBUH). 50 years in the bugman penitentiary (Sponsored by Alphabet Inc.) for you, heathen.

>>140004205
(((CEO's))) are trained by international Jew banksters to view all goyim as units to exploited.

>>139999412
Because fuck the bottom 90%!
The top earned their billions of dollars and taking it away is thievery!

- t.Libertarian

>>140004205
>>140004553
>>140004639
You faggots are so cringey, it hurts. This is why you shouldn't comment on economics until your balls drop.

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>>140001367
This are the apples or the oranges?
welcome to the printing press economy; kike speculation
>ibn4 wealth is the byproduct of labor
>ibn4 speculation is needed to ensure supply on the market

I blame the kikes, the moto of the alt-right should be "gold standard and no debt", the antikike missile with 0% antisemitism

>>139999412
Because it's not capatalism

>>140003773

The Republicans started electing democrats that turned deficit spending into the national sport.

>>139999412

US women and Mexican migrants entering the low to mid-skill labor-force. More supply of labor equals smaller wages.

>>140005029
Perfect.
This attitude of superiority is why wealth disparity will lead to the US's collapse.

>>140000969
how was that debunked since now the man and woman from a family need to work, and now they work more than ever, and their debt just get increasing

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>>139999412
It's because progressives fundamentally lack the capability to think in the long term. Just like with mass immigration, they don't think more than 30 years into the future.

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>>139999412
That is what happens when you have a central bank ran by commie jews. Look at you chart and check the date when we went off the gold standard with a mixture of shitty immigration policy and hippie economics.

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>>140005239
if it goes wrong it is no true (insert ideology here )

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>>140005365
It's called wisdom. Anyone with any life experience should know that a small group of (((beurocrats))) can't micromanage the US economy. There's no scenario where you faggots can get the free stuff you desperately crave and the economy can thrive. It's time to take personal responsibility instead of blaming everyone but yourself for your pathetic failures.

>>139999412
>1970

After 1972, exactly. Fiat money destroyed it.

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Capitalism.exe is working exactly the way it was always intended to work. Haves become have-mores, have-nots become have-debts.

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Because capitalism is being ruined by economic regulations and corporate socialism

The only valid kind of capitalism is free market capitalism.

>>140005446
>how was that debunked since now the man and woman from a family need to work, and now they work more than ever, and their debt just get increasing
You have shit English.

Anyway none of that has anything to do with wages vs productivity. The graph that you showed compares apples to oranges with subtle data manipulations.

Life is getting worse and more expensive but capitalism per se isn't to blame for that.

>>140004639
They are just doing what capitalism forces them to do, a manner on how to accumulate the most capital possible
So bad it is importing the 3rd worlders, but if they don't import them, some one else will do and surpass the competitors

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>>140006128
Bullshit. Compare the USA with any non-capitalist country. Nobody is starving in America, thanks to Capitalism. You're considered poor if your iphone is a model behind or your car is over 10 years old. That's why the US government doesn't even measure starvation anymore. It's now food variety.

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>>140005365
>boo hoo hoo some people own banks while some people collect welfare
pretty much all of the recent increase in income inequality is because of immigration from south of the border and technology.

>>140006431
Define 'capitalism' so I can laugh at you.

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>>139999412
Capitalism is working. Pic related is what every single right winger and conservashit fights for

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>>140006463
>>140005365

>>140006561
most conservatives want to bring the money home so it can be used on US citizens

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Capitalism is a system that WILL fail. You cannot have infinite growth on a finite planet. It is literally impossible. I have never seen a capitalist answer how they think this can work.

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>>139999412
>Why does a system that's proven to work in a cohesive majority white society suddenly fall apart a few years after passing a bill that allows retards from all over the planet to come and shit all over it.

>>140005737
I'm not asking for free stuff.
Your "wisdom" is causing a collapse of the working class.

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>>140006702
Are you literally retarded? Capitalism is not the reason people fuck and have kids.

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>>140005619
>give me a dollar today and I'll give you $1.25 in forty years
>I rather put it in crypto or stocks
>It ain't a choice pal

>>140006702
The universe is infinite. We will conquer the stars and sell it for vast profits.

>>140006324
>You have shit English.
suck my cock bitch

>The graph that you showed compares apples to oranges with subtle data manipulations.
yeah nice mental gymnastics retard

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>>140006700
Correct. Right wing retards are so cucked, they think that if they give billionaires massive tax breaks, they'll bring the money back.

Capitalism's endgame is 10 people owning everything in the world.
I wonder why it doesnt work.

>>140006561
All of the Kennedy money is held in an offshore trust. They literally pay no tax.

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>>139999412
>productivity should correlate with compensation rather than actual revenue

you tried

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>>139999412
>Why is capitalism going downhill since 1970?
Jews

>>140006702
Exactly.
The resources and population are limited.
But it will end long before that, because the people will revolt eventually.
That's why globalism has to die, and we have to invent a sustainable economic system.

>>140006735
Nope, that's your faggotry. Since you have zero understanding of economics, you think problems created by (((bureaucrats))) can be solved by begging (((bureaucrats))) to give themselves more control over the economy, so they do. Predictably, things get worse as a result, and instead of blaming your retardation, you think the solution is more of your retardation.

>>140006128
I hate you progressives, you tax the shit out of poor people and make it impossible for them to truly tap into capital gains which is the primary source of income growth for the highest quintiles. Look up "accredited investor", a person who makes less than $200,000 per year can't even invest in high-risk ventures due to SEC regulations.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/accreditedinvestor.asp

>To be an accredited investor, a person must demonstrate an annual income of $200,000, or $300,000 for joint income, for the last two years with expectation of earning the same or higher income. An individual must have earned income above the thresholds either alone or with a spouse over the last three years. The income test cannot be satisfied by showing one year of an individual's income and the next two years of joint income with a spouse. The exception to this rule is when a person is married within the period of conducting a test. A person is also considered an accredited investor if he has a net worth exceeding $1 million, either individually or jointly with his spouse. The SEC also considers a person to be an accredited investor if he is a general partner, executive officer, director or a related combination thereof for the issuer of unregistered securities.

>make it illegal for the poor and middle class to make investments that can result in massive gains
>this is for your protection redneck

Too bad the GOP is corrupt as fuck and is keeping this regulation.

>>140006702
>Capitalism is a system that WILL fail. You cannot have infinite growth on a finite planet. It is literally impossible. I have never seen a capitalist answer how they think this can work.
It's not much more of a step to say that EVERY system will fail eventually because we will go extinct.

The reason I support the FASTEST growing economy is because we need money to finance tech, which is the only possible way we can prevent or even prolong the existence of our species. What separates us from other animals--and what separates life from empty space and gas clouds--is complexity. I say, we should go as complex as it gets and hope for the best

The solution to global warming for example right now is to CONTINUE R&D

>>140006875
>Correct. Right wing retards are so cucked, they think that if they give billionaires massive tax breaks, they'll bring the money back.
Left wing retards are so cucked, they think a Soviet-style seizure of assets would work better. Capital flight is a bitch.

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>>139999412
What do you think?

>>140000969
Adding a made up multiplier and calling it an adjustment isn't debunking anything.

>>140007181
>the FASTEST growing economy
>growing
Why is it growing?
Because you are employing more chinese people while your country is becoming 3rd world thier.

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>>140006561
>Capitalism is working.

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>>140006431
>it's illegal to make high risk investments that can bring you a massive ROI because you're too poor
>communists think this is capitalism

>>140000969

>we're making more than ever, guys!
>public debt almost $20,000,000,000,000
>private debt over $60,000,000,000,000

>adjusted for inflation, housing prices have gone up over 200% on average (with the city prices fuelling all of it, and the country prices barely moving).
>Average cost of a house 1930: 2x the annual salary.
>average cost of house 1970:2.2x the average annual salary
>Average cost of house 2012: 6x the annual wage

>average cost of car 1930: <1/3 of the average annual salary
>average cost of car 1970: <1/3 of average annual salary
>average cost of car 2012 >3/4 of the annual salary

I could drag these statistics on forever, but I think the point has been made. Living standards are only managing to increase because of colossal debt. When factoring in the cost of living: we're considerably poorer than before, even if the kike-funded "think tanks" say otherwise. They say the methodology of the CPI is flawed, I say theirs is flawed. Mine is based upon more than just inflation of capital, but the cost of living.

>>140006864
>>The graph that you showed compares apples to oranges with subtle data manipulations.
>yeah nice mental gymnastics retard
That's the honest truth. See the graph I posted, the graph you posted compares "productivity" (which is adjusted with IPD and includes self-employed worker's productivity) and "wages" (which is adjusted with CPI and DOES NOT include self-employed worker's pay). Literally apples to oranges, and when you correct for those intentional data manipulations, you end up with them matching within 4% of each other to this day.

Brainlet.

Leftypol shills in full force again.

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>>140006561
>Capitalism is working

Good goy.

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>>140007744
>Capitalism is working
>Chinks aren't capitalists

>>140007407
Are you retarded? The original graph uses a made-up multiplier (the IPD) for the "productivity" line and then uses ANOTHER made-up multiplier (CPI) for the "wages" graph, as well as all the other things in that circle.

Despite leftypol's best efforts, you can't compare apples to oranges and then call bullshit on people trying to correct your manipulated data.

Brainlet

>>140007164
lol
thanks for the info, didn´t know about this.

>>140007917
To be honest neither America or China are capitalist.

The Chinese are just more efficient at allocating resources at the government level. The federal burger government is the most inefficient waste of space in history.

If we got rid of the IRS and federal government the GDP would skyrocket.

>>140007164
>Too bad the GOP is corrupt as fuck and is keeping this regulation.

It's almost as if they're serving the same interests as the Democrats?

>>139999412
>Why is capitalism going downhill since 1970?
Jew tricks.

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>>140007164
We Ferengi now

>>140000751
Hearhear

>>140000723
The problem is that this is always the end result of the free market. Certain players get too much power and find a way to distort the market. Choose fascism.

>>140007649
>investing in hedge funds

Kek.

99% of hedge funds underperform the S&P 500. You should be glad the average burger is banned from investing in hedge funds. They’re literally thieves.

>>140008208
>The federal burger government is the most inefficient waste of space in history
I think Canada is a close runner up per capita, our health care bureaucracy may only be beat by the bongs

>>139999412
Because they turned their back on working keynesian principles

>>139999412

Women in the workforce and other 'equality' communist policies

>>140007680
>muh debt
certainly a problem but can be fixed within the context of capitalism

>average* wages going down while house prices are going up
hmmm it's almost like urban areas are becoming more populated and are importing poor people...

>average cost of car 1930: <1/3 of the average annual salary
>average cost of car 1970: <1/3 of average annual salary
>average cost of car 2012 >3/4 of the annual salary
I don't have the energy to check all these, can you provide a source? Anyway seems pretty self-explanatory since cars have gone up so much in use-value.

>When factoring in the cost of living: we're considerably poorer than before, even if the kike-funded "think tanks" say otherwise.
>if a kike-funded "think tank" presents data, that data is just hearsay
kek

>They say the methodology of the CPI is flawed, I say theirs is flawed. Mine is based upon more than just inflation of capital, but the cost of living.
Are you talking about the original graph? See what happens if you adjust the "productivity" line for CPI (in the original graph it was using IPD)

>>139999412
No more Goldstandard since 1973

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>>140007164
>>140007649

Ah yes I remember thinking this was weird.

I work in finance but not in Burgerland. I had to fill out forms guaranteeing these things when we invested in the US. No other country we invested in does this.

>>140008661
Pretty much this.

>>140008692
>certainly a problem but can be fixed within the context of capitalism

Do you realize the federal reserve is the number one holder of US debt you fucking jackass?

>>139999412
Feminism.

Women entering the work force doubled the supply of workers, meaning that workers have to compete for jobs instead of companies competing for workers.

>>139999412
Nixon, 1971.

>>140009073
Pretty good point.

Also, women don’t negotiate for a higher salary thus suppressing the entire salaries of the workforce.

>>140009056
kek... yeah

>>139999412
Implying productivity can be measured, maybe people can just get more done in less time due to technological advancement.

>>139999412
I don't know it's almost like half the population, (woman) sparked by feminism, joined the labor force. Of course when you so much labor in you can now afford to keep wages down since the supply of workers is so high

>>140009310
Do you realize that the federal reserve buying federal debt is a tax on every holder of federal reserve notes?

>>140006875
If I was a politician I would have this plan
Social Security
>privatize social security
>everyone is required to invest 15% of their money, however, these investments can be passed on after death. The government doesn't not keep the money.
>these investments can be accessed completely tax free after age 65, or under standard capital gains taxes
>those currently taking benefits will continue to get them

Income Taxes
>anyone making less than $50,000 no longer has to pay income tax
>loss in revenue matched by increase on taxes for those who make $200,000 or more

Capital Gains
>capital gains also is not taxed under $50,000
>loss in revenue is matched by increase on taxes for those who get $200,000 or more in capital gains every year
>abolish SEC accredited investor regulation

Profit sharing / Corporate Tax Rate
>corporate tax rate cut to 0% for companies that distribute 10% of profits to employees who make less than $50,000
>for instance, if there is profit of $200,000 this profit should be distributed between enough sub $50,000 employees such that it's used up
>corporate tax rate cut to 15% otherwise

>minimum wage is abolished

Non-citizen tax
>all non-citizens pay at minimum a 15% tax on all income

I hate Establishment Republicans and Democrats they have no new ideas, they just keep pushing the same bullshit. We need a reworking of the whole system

>>140009466
uhh.... yes

>>140009520
> The government doesn't not keep the money.
kek, They don't keep the money*

>>140008692
>hmmm it's almost like urban areas are becoming more populated and are importing poor people...

Wanting subhumans to be imported to do the jobs cheaper and with less arguments than the native? Yeah, sound like social....Oh no that's right, that's a capitalist approach to economics: the best profit value per action, whatever the cost to anyone else.

>if a kike-funded "think tank" presents data, that data is just hearsay

They claim the previous methodology is false and provide evidence why, and you believe them. I do the exact same to their methodology and you dismiss it and laugh at me?

>Are you talking about the original graph?

No, I was talking about yours. Simply determining that the wages are matching inflation is irrelevant unless you factor in what those wages are being spent on. So in that sense they're both wrong.

>I don't have the energy to check all these, can you provide a source?

http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/70yearsofpricechange.html

The proof of each category is highlighted at the bottom in links.

>Anyway seems pretty self-explanatory since cars have gone up so much in use-value.

I'd disagree with that as a whole. In some sense you're right, but the cost of cars should be going down. Plastic replaces most of the metal on the cars since those time period, things are mass-produced in such vast quantities that the average costs of components should be relatively cheaper, even if they've become more sophisticated. The core principles of air conditioners for instance have remained mostly unchanged for decades, so being able to manufacture those efficiently should be the expected outcome, but they're not.

>>139999412
WOW! Its almost as if perhaps there was a period between 1950-70 marked by increased economic freedom which gradually ended with the onset of increasing regulation and welfare.

>>140009520
>abolish SEC accredited investor regulation
eh, i wouldnt risk it. enough people would toss their money in bucket shops and complain

>>140010010
Yet, gambling is still legal and people waste billions on it.

>http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/24/news/economy/lottery-spending/index.html

>Last year Americans spent a total of $73.5 billion on traditional lottery tickets, according to the North American Association of State and Provincial Lotteries. Add in electronic lottery games and that figure is $80 billion.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/21342-americans-lost-116-9b-gambling-in-2016-report

>The amount of money people in America spent on gambling in 2016 was an estimated $116.9 billion, according to data from H2 Gambling Capital. That’s the amount won off of gamblers in areas including brick-and-mortar casinos, state lotteries and regulated online gaming sites.

>>139999412
In the 1970's, Trudeau Sr. changed Canada's Central Bank from a government own & ran institution into a rough copy of the Americans "Federal Reserve".. that combined with other policy changes caused the largest inflationary phase in Canadian history.

Money became worth so much less in such a short time that even Labour Unions couldn't keep up with it and the media used their strikes to make public opinion turn on them for being greedy, even though all they were trying to do was keep their wages caught up to the 11~17%/year climb of inflation over a ±3 year period.

On top of this, Canada wasn't the only nation to do this. Multiple "Western countries" pulled off the same changes throughout the 70's.

>>139999412

1. Regulations
2. Welfare
3. Trade deficit
4. Social forces (feminism, affirmative action, etc)

>>140010427
well yeah, but short of being a cynical 20 year old economic student little twat, gambling and investing are entirely different. there's no TA or earnings reports with gambling

>>140010657
Would an IQ test be sufficient instead?

>>140009711
>Wanting subhumans to be imported to do the jobs cheaper and with less arguments than the native? Yeah, sound like social....Oh no that's right, that's a capitalist approach to economics: the best profit value per action, whatever the cost to anyone else.
Not THE capitalist approach. Most market-supporters acknowledge we should internalize externalities like importing shitskins. Anyway importing higher skilled workers would be better for the economy as a whole.

>They claim the previous methodology is false and provide evidence why, and you believe them. I do the exact same to their methodology and you dismiss it and laugh at me?
I laughed at you because you appeared to believe that, because a certain think-tank presents data, that that data is wrong or suspect. You didn't use the exact same methodology. Do you understand what the CPI and IPD deflators are and how they are used? You have to compare apples to apples, which the original graph does not do. If you're going to adjust one line with CPI, then adjust the other line with CPI as well. That's what I recommended to you. The original graph doesn't do this

>No, I was talking about yours. Simply determining that the wages are matching inflation(?) is irrelevant unless you factor in what those wages are being spent on. So in that sense they're both wrong.
Wages match not only inflation, but also follow productivity increases. The CPI basket is hardly representative of even a majority of economic output, and would be inappropriate for measuring the ENTIRE economy. Anyway there's free choice in what you spend it on.

>I'd disagree with that as a whole
well our opinions are great but why don't you try to find out exactly how much it costs to make a car nowadays vs yesteryear, and compare that cost to income also.

this thread reeks of brainlets

>>139999412
When did women really get into the work place?

>>139999412
>Why is capitalism going downhill since 1970?

It's not. The owners of capital taking all the profits and leaving their workers with squat is exactly how it's supposed to work. It wasn't working before 1970 due to FDR's socialistic New Deal legislation.

>>140006702
We stagnate?

>>139999412
>Why is capitalism going downhill since 1970?

Globalism.

>>140011208
>The owners of capital taking all the profits and leaving their workers with squat is exactly how it's supposed to work
according to Marxist propaganda

>It wasn't working before 1970 due to FDR's socialistic New Deal legislation.
The New Deal was an abject failure. Things like the AAA are indefensible even from a modern Marxist perspective

>implying the graph is accurate
see >>140000969

>People unironically defend corrupted corporate capitalism and are ready to lick the boots of the highest paying master.

SAD!

>>139999412
Because we disconnected the currency from commodity. Now the currency IS the commodity and it's easy to create paper currency with digital 0's added to the balance when it is not tied to an unbiased commodity, such as gold.

>>139999412
>what are wellfare niggers

I don’t know what capitalism you people keep talking about.

There’s no western country that practices capitalism. They’re all socialist countries.

>>140011654
Settle down poland

>>140011065

>Not THE capitalist approach. Most market-supporters acknowledge we should internalize externalities like importing shitskins. Anyway importing higher skilled workers would be better for the economy as a whole.

I'm pro-markets, but I have recived no indication that (virtually)anyone in the top positions of economic influence would trade morals for profits. And in the end, the amoral individual will always end up winning out over the moral one in economic situations, eventually. Such is the nature of profits.

>I laughed at you because you appeared to believe that, because a certain think-tank presents data, that that data is wrong or suspect. You didn't use the exact same methodology. Do you understand what the CPI and IPD deflators are and how they are used? You have to compare apples to apples, which the original graph does not do. If you're going to adjust one line with CPI, then adjust the other line with CPI as well. That's what I recommended to you. The original graph doesn't do this

I'm not saying the first graph is better than the second one, quite the opposite. The point I was making was that they're both flawed because they claim to measure the economic prosperity of the average worker relative to productivity, but that is a flawed notion if they don't take into account what that productivity is being used for and what the money that the workers are receiving is being spent on. That is why it is flawed.

>Wages match not only inflation, but also follow productivity increases. The CPI basket is hardly representative of even a majority of economic output, and would be inappropriate for measuring the ENTIRE economy. Anyway there's free choice in what you spend it on.

If you're measuring the productive and compensatory measures of that productiveness for workers in order to asses relative prosperity over a time period, you HAVE to determine if the cost of living goes up or down for the same time period, or your methodology is flawed.

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>>140001766
>p2p is capitalist
fucking lol p2p is libertarian socialism you dolt

In p2p systems there are no hierarchies, and instead, all peers are equally privileged and equal participants. p2p systems undo private systems of ownership of intellectual property and productive capital, and place them into the commons without the need for centralized ownership. p2p undoes consumerism by making the consumers their own clients and destroying the client-server model. I mean, fuck, p2p was first popularized by fucking PIRATES which are implicitly anti-capitalist.

>>140005140
No, the kikes can manipulate a gold standard too (though it would be an improvement)

The key is to abolish private central banks as well as fractional reserve banking across the world

>>140009520
>privatize social security
>everyone is required to invest 15% of their money
lol. Let me tell you a story. The oldest bank in the world (Monte Paschi di Siena) went bankrupt. Now my government is giving back ( with my tax euros) 80% of the money the people lost.
The reason? The fucking retards bought obligation with a 12+% annual yield as a safe investment and the bank "deceived" them (aka aggressive selling tactics vs a 70 y/o senile granny).
So yes, people are retarded and yes, they would be raped by Wall Street sharks and bankster.

>>139999412
Because the investment into increasing the productivity is much higher on the employer end for a while now where we are building incredibly complex machines to increase productivity of someone who is actually working less hard than their predecessors. So if you replotted a function of effort vs. hourly wage, you'd see the true benefit of this technology investment and quit complaining about how much more you make when you look at the bigger scheme of your society. Truth is our society squanders our productivity so we have a reason to be angry still, but this anger is displaced by stupid misleading graphs. Jews and greedy human opportunism are the real problem.