Refugees are an asset, they will improve the eco...

Who cares? They'll just keep printing money.
It the situation was dire we'd be at the brink of collapse. Not gonna happen, ever.

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>>139955345
>increasing tax burden on natives to provide welfare to migrants
>printing money == hidden inflation

Does not sound like a recipe for success.

>>139955707
Fuck the EU
Glad it is going to hell.

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>>139955218
>Had to inspect that number closely to make sure i didn't misread it
>TRILLION!?!

>>139956551
Yeah, so? We will get that back multifold once the immigrants pay our pensions.

>>139957081
HAHAHAHAH

>>139955218
yup, they say immigrants need to pay for pensions. But aren't they also need to have their pensions payed, and won't the cost of brining them here exceed the cost of their tax pays? Thats if they work

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>>139957081
>%80 are on welfare
I think you missed something

>>139956272
Coaie, if it weren't for the EU, we wouldn't have all them nice funds to steal. Look at the beuatiful highway system built with european funds.

>>139957081

>>139957081
You are right. You will enjoy your pension in country full of niggers and muslims. I am sure it is worth few percent of profit.

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>>139955218
>tfw Germany only imports niggers to go full Wiemar Republic so they can switch back to Nazi mode

>>139957081
>80% on welfare
actually they will be taking your pensions

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>>139957081
>mfw the Swedish state "borrowed" money from the pensions funds to pay for their failed politics, twice (might be thrice, they're not as open with it anymore).

Not a dime has been repaid

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>>139955218
>investments cost money in the short term
Huh who knew, thanks Hungary

>>139957960
>>139962404
Refugees net $21 000 for US tax payers within their first 20 years

http://www.nber.org/papers/w23498

>>139956551
This.
Absolutely disgusting. I don't think ever in human history has a people been WILLINGLY cucked.

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21 weeks

>>139955218
The pic of those women will go down in history as actual slow motion suicide.

>>139955345
Unless they wanted a bad collapse just to be able to come in and save everyone with their own system, thus starting a NWO.

>>139963412

So natives are losing jobs to foreign niggers. This is a good thing to you?

>>139963412
>2014 data
>sandnigger invasion
Pick one shitposting cunt

>>139955218
>greeks were the problem

what goes around, comes around

>>139963635
i appreciate you keeping her memory alive

>>139955218
They're an asset to the people that gives them loans and make them debt slaves.

>>139963578

This is one study, that doesn't cite shit. Plus it's only one snip from a study you have to pay for. Go away jew.

>$1241 billion

I'd bet €1000 that number is total utter bullshit. Who are these dumbass jerks anyway?

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>>139957081
you're either a jew or completely deluded

>>139964233
Germany originally allocated 100bn for refugees and this number is like 1.5 - 2 years old.

>>139963578
And the cost for these 20 years?

>>139955218
They are assets for The rich. Utilities The refugees ((need)) will be paid buy govorment but It will be subcontracted from private sector. This is just more risk free buisness where private kikes are leeching goverments monies. It's sad how left OR nu-right can't see that.

>>139957081
>thinking muslims will pay your pension

I know it's prolly troll, but still.

>>139963873
Only the bottom 10% of wage earners feel any long term negative (or sometimes neutral) impacts.

Immigrants generate both labour supply and demand.

https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/1#xiv
http://davidcard.berkeley.edu/papers/mariel-impact.pdf

>>139963894
That's long term employment for past refugees, just an indication of what history should have us expect of this wave.

>>139964144
So you don't believe it?

>>139964427
$21 000 less than tax payed

>>139964653

Even if your numbers are correct and recent, you have to take into account the social changes. Not just the economy. Low IQ Somalians flooding over here does shit for the economy except force employers to keep their diversity in check and takes jobs away from native citizens. What happens to them? Why does this foreign refugee deserve this job more than the native born? Because of his misshaped head and limited vocabulary? Social changes do have economic effects.

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>>139963578
First, Working papers from the NBER aren't peer reviewed. Second, if you think a similar outcome between refugees from Hong Kong, vietnam, and chille to mass immigration from north africa, you've got to be out of your mind.

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>>139957081
>We will get that back multifold once the immigrants pay our pensions.

>Illiterate men
>Who don't speak German
>Coming from a plethora of warzones and squalid shitholes
>Bringing their tribalism, prejudice, superstition, and feuds
>To a liberal Western technostate
>Will pay into your socialized pension system

*Breathes in*
AHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Take comfort in the fact that you and your nation will have a place of honor in the history books. Listed under "S" for "Suicide, Cultural"

>>139963635

thats not her on the left
stop with these fake fucking pictures shill

>>139955218
This is the thing that no one seems to understand. I've said this for years. People from MENA countries come here because of the welfare. They're never going to be a part of the productive society.

>>139964653
That is bullshit. Even estonians are problem here and they are only using "free movment of labor" to tank our construction jobs. Good luck trying to get construction job leagly with proper wage. Those estonians have about half The living cost and they can pay taxes in Estonia. Now Tell me again that forgein workers has only positive effect. Maybe If you are buisness owner who wants cheaper labor its good but for people of The country ifs fuckd.

>>139955218
image these women, the whole 1241050000000 cost came because of THESE THREE WOMEN, this cost is on their hands

>>139962315
History repeats itself

>>139955218
i can't even be mad at muslims lmao

those cheeky fuckers

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>>139964975
>Low IQ Somalians flooding over here does shit for the economy except force employers to keep their diversity in check and takes jobs away from native citizens
Workers without a high school diploma are slightly affected, employment benefits are positive for everyone further up

Pic is from Card study

https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/8#196

>>139965076
>First, Working papers from the NBER aren't peer reviewed
Source?

>Second, if you think a similar outcome between refugees from Hong Kong, vietnam, and chille to mass immigration from north africa, you've got to be out of your mind
I mean its kind of hard to say how different they are. I don't think either of us have the numbers on labour integration of Asian refugees in the US.

>>139965128
Uh, I know you're just here to help captain sweden, but it's the pic on the right that's the real concern.

>>139965345
It depends on how much unemployment and unskilled labor you economy has, needs and wants.

Loads of farmland and low pop density are the best case scenario.

High pop density countries like japan

Thing to watch for. How well integrated is the second, third generation?

With successful outcomes, the newer generations are well integrated into society, reasonably educated, outcomes not to crazily off from the native population. Say pretty much all second generation cuban americans, are fluent in english, or turkish germans from the migration of 60s.

Unsuccessful outcomes result in massive ghettos of people who don't speak the language, like current France.

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>>139957081
Gr8

>>139963578

I've been looking to find a copy of this paper that isn't behind a paywall, but the only thing I can find is people mentioning it by name and repeating that one takeaway.

That's suspicious in and of itself, but even assuming that it's completely on the level: "refugees" are not homogeneous. The Vietnamese "boat people" that they always bring up as a refugee success story aren't interchangeable with west african economic migrants. Keeping in mind that the US pays far less in welfare benefits, which itself is a selection filter for the types of people that will attempt migration, we can't extrapolate that muslim migrants to Europe (who already don't work and have no intention to) are going to suddenly open drycleaners and convenience stores.

Also, $21k over 20 years is not a great ROI when it's being weighed against the destruction of your culture.

>>139964413

So for a cost that is around the size of some of your biggest corporations that you paid for you get to be replaced and to further slave to pay for their future reparations.

Wow. That fucking sucks.

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>>139966056
>if the economy simply returns to a larger version of its pre-immigration state, with the same capital-labor ratio, there are no winners and losers among the native-born, but equally,


no net benefit to them from immigration.

>>139965717
Guys...GUYS... it's just one picture. Please stop rubbing your hands together, we need this picture for the news. Hands at your sides please.

GOD DAMMIT Schlomo I see you there on the end, knocking off! ONE picture!

>>139965345
>Those estonians have about half The living cost and they can pay taxes in Estonia. Now Tell me again that forgein workers has only positive effect
Its not all positive, I'll acknowledge migrants do increase unemployment for low skilled workers. You do have to consider the whole picture though, migrant demand drives up wages and employment for ~90% of the population and their cheap labour drives down prices.

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>>139955345
France, you should know what happened the last time Germany kept printing money.

And what came from that.

>>139955345
>Printing Euro
The rest of Europe sure will be happy about that.

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>>139966611
>You do have to consider the whole picture though you will become a minority in your own country but hey prices are low

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>>139955218
>he fell for the "immigrants improve the economy" meme

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>>139957081
HAHAHAHAHAHA
You are so stupid.

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>>139957081
No problem has ever been fixed by adding niggers. C'est la vie.

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>>139966611
In summary, the immigration surplus stems from the increase in the return to capital that results from the increased supply of labor and the subsequent fall in wages. Natives who own more capital will receive more income from the immigration surplus than natives who own less capital, who can consequently be adversely affected.

did u even read this paper////???

>>139955218
I'm sorry guys. I feel like a lot of this "immigrants are good for economy" shit was peddled using the U.S. as an example. Of course the idea that integrating a bunch of Hungarian, Polish, and Bohemian immigrants into a formerly Anglo/Scottish/German population would be the same as Arabs and Africans into Europe is laughable.

>>139957081
I know this is /pol/ and there's a ton of trolls. But you actually believe that, don't you? Be honest.

>>139966160
We have alot of unemployed construction workers and their skills level is high. Only reason why they are using estonians is The cost of labor. Our construction buisness owners tried even to get somali workers to Finland to do some construction job but that didnt go trough because someone Said that we have our own unemployed workers to do that Job.
Soon they are starting to demand goverments money to even house these workers. Is delusional to think a fucking somali workers have better skillset to build in Finland than people who got the education on here.

>>139966268
>The Vietnamese "boat people" that they always bring up as a refugee success story aren't interchangeable with west african economic migrants. Keeping in mind that the US pays far less in welfare benefits,
I accept that there's probably truth to both these points (trying to hunt down past European refugee composition right now) but I would just expect that this would just result in a slower rate of return on investment, not no return ever.

>we can't extrapolate that muslim migrants to Europe (who already don't work and have no intention to)
Source?

>Also, $21k over 20 years is not a great ROI when it's being weighed against the destruction of your culture
Keep in mind its not just that, ones net position with the government is just a single dimension of ones entire economic impact. You have to also consider all the people that now have jobs to accommodate for the larger population, all the people who now have businesses due to cheap labour, all the products that becomes cheaper as a result of this cheap labour etc.

>>139966508
But its not, immigration increases specialisation.

>>139957081
They will execute you instead once the caliphate takes over your political system.
I expect the same to happen in the UK in 50 years too.
we're fucked

>>139955218
Ask the Jew when Israel will open it's borders. Remember, women and Jews are behind niggers and the push for sharia law.

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>>139955345
>frog education

>>139966752
Whats wrong with being a minority?

>>139967155
Yeah, another downside to immigration. It does tend to redistribute wealth towards the top but that doesn't then necessarily mean it shouldn't be done. Its better to grow the pie whilst implementing measures to ensure those most affected are compensated and each enjoy a larger slice.

>>139966160
And like cultures that are too retarded to integrate like nigger and sand nigger. Like trying to teach a monkey how to code.

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>>139966056
>>First, Working papers from the NBER aren't peer reviewed
>Source?
Do you not know what the fuck the word "working paper" means? Are you just copy pasting links that you don't understand? Working papers are literally the draft version that they put up for peer review.

>I mean its kind of hard to say how different they are.
Well, of course. If quality social science and economics was easy, we wouldn't have half the garbage we we see out there.

>I don't think either of us have the numbers on labour integration of Asian refugees in the US.
We have reasonable proxies based on the the post vietnam war cohort. As a coarse estimate we also can visit the communities in question. Compare, say Little Saigon in southern california, vs little mogadishu in minnesota. year by year if neccessary. Here's a hint. Little Saigon doesn't have the equivalent of World Star Hip Hop.

>>139967826
>What's wrong with being a minority?

Considering the idea that whites, in general, are already a relatively small minority globally, becoming a minority in their own native state would spell the end of whites.

I'm for diversity, but diversity of the world, not of nations that should be homogenously native

>>139966512
>knocking off
>knock it off
When the fuck have you ever heard someone say knocking off?

>>139966056
Living with Somalians isn't a benefit to anyone. I'd pay a special tax to not have to live with them.

>>139957081
Just put having two children as condition to get your pensions instead relying on fucking unproved predictions you stupid krauts.

>>139967922
>Do you not know what the fuck the word "working paper" means?
Sorry read past that part, my mistake

>Compare, say Little Saigon in southern california, vs little mogadishu in minnesota. year by year if neccessary. Here's a hint. Little Saigon doesn't have the equivalent of World Star Hip Hop
I would be interested in a year by year analysis

>>139968227
Whites would just make up a smaller share of the population. Its a bit dramatic to call it the end of whites.

>>139964653
>That's long term employment for past refugees, just an indication of what history should have us expect of this wave
Immigration policies used to be built around basically rigorously picking the most highly skilled individuals out of the pool of potential migrants. This was useful for the target countries but absolutely devastating for the source countries since it sucked away all of their young talent. This current refugee crisis is entirely different from what we experienced in the past. We used to take only the best and they provided a decent benefit to our countries, now we are taking absolutely everyone and throwing billions down the drain.

>>139955345
I don't understand economics: The Post

>>139968964
>Its a bit dramatic to call it the end of whites.
Look at South Africa. White people basically have no future there.

>>139963578
$21k over 20 years

Terrible benefit.

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>>139957081
and they say we germans cant into humor.

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>>139969121
>We used to take only the best and they provided a decent benefit to our countries, now we are taking absolutely everyone and throwing billions down the drain
Skilled Syrians are still far more likely to get in than any random applicant, there are still plenty of rejections.

>>139969163
In what sense? Living standards for whites in south africa are quite high.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_South_African#Income

>>139967217
>>139965345
Lets double check something. The claim is that the increase in labor means lower prices.

Cheap estonian labor in construction. Has it driven down the price of rent, home prices, building prices? Is construction in Finland more affordable? What about cost of living?

I only know very coarse stats off the top of my head, and that was that Finland had very high overall inflation, by EU standards at least. We're not talking about Zimbague.

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>>139969773
Are you a halfwit?
>According to the UN, South Africa has the second highest per capita murder rate in the world. South African sources place the annual murder rate at 23,000. South Africa is the rape capital of the world. In a 1998-2000 UN survey, one in three women said they had been raped in the past year. One in four men admitted that he was a rapist.
http://archive.is/zD3Da
>(you)

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>>139966268
try sci-hub.cc

Need the source for this to redpill my fellow cucks.

>>139970886

Yeah but most of those are blacks so who gives a fuck?

>>139957081
>yfw boomers unironically believe this
>mass immigration is the final boomer policy that will yet again backfire and bring down all of western civilization
>boomer greed literally destroys civilization

Wew

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>>139957081
and people say germans have no sense of humor

>>139958499
based romanian is based...in the uk

>>139955345
>They'll just keep printing money.
What are you, 12?

>>139964653
>Only the bottom 10% of wage earners feel any long term negative (or sometimes neutral) impacts.

You're fucking retarded
My entire town is unemployed because of immigration and most of the whites have MA in stem fields, because refugees are subsidized by the state employers get 50% for hiring them and additionally more if they pretend to teach them language or writing.

Quality of products fall, cash-transfer stations move in, the money the immigrants make are partially shipped back to their countries to pay for their extensive families, and the cycle goes on.

>>139968964
>Whites would just make up a smaller share of the population. Its a bit dramatic to call it the end of whites.

Dude it's fucking basic math

White people have sub replacement birthrate levels. Even if we were the only race that exists we will go extinct soon at this rate

Meanwhile chin li and shits out another 6 rice farmers who now work at coal plants and Tyrone has 8 baby mommas and they're all on SNAP

Humanity is done

>>139957081
>Breathes in
>BOOOOIIIIIIII

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>>139955218
>$1,241,050,000,000 to kill yourself

>>139955707
They are trying to cause a crash and 'revolution' in germany

Hate speech law prevents people from speaking up, antifa crushes demonstrations while being officially sponsored by the government in their 'campaign against racism', media is in full propaganda mode

Germans have always been pretending to be calm when anything is going on until a movement starts and they chimp out on an international level..

>>139957081
This post has convinced me to vote SPD

>>139967826
Your ancestors didn't fight and die for you rights and freedoms so you could become a minority in your own country.
Every generation wants to make life better for their children but today all of this is squandered by a bunch of cucks on the grounds of jewish concepts like political correctness.

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>>139955218
I know I'm not seeing that right. 1 trillion. What is up with the middle east/middle easterners and trillions of dollars?

>>139957081
...lol Germany you fool

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>>139955452
Who else is stoked for the next Hitler to come out of this utter bullshit?

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>>139970798
No. Rent and house prices has been climing like in every western country. Wages has stayd almost same. Inflation isn't that bad what I know.

>>139956551
>>Had to inspect that number closely to make sure i didn't misread it
>>TRILLION!?!
Weimar Deutschmarks

>>139977430
For you to bomb and try to kill again?

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>>139955345
>we'd be at the brink of collapse

You fool. It's . past the event horizon

>>139977245
That was clearly sarcasm though tbf Germans are generally really bad at that

>>139966611
>Migrant demand increases employment and wages
>Migrants are cheap labor
A source of cheap labor does not increase wages, but undervalues it. The only employment increases are because you just brought in a foreign worker to be employed for cheap, there are no benefits to the previously unemployed population. In fact, now its harder to find work and your labor is devalued. Does a single migrant earn and spend enough money a year in a shit tier job to fully fund the wages of another employee? Not likely. I don't see the demand of the individual migrant offsetting the fact that you're employing them over a native. Therefore employment doesn't increase the demand far enough to warrant their importation.

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>>139957081
you're a funny guy

>>139957081

Wew, that's a hell of a joke. I was not ready to laugh that hard this early.

>>139955218
that's not even a real number. wtf is wrong with you guys?

>>139966160
Unsuccessful outcomes are caused by not controlling the inflow of immigrants.

>>139955218
As long as they consume products from the big german industries, it doesn't matter

>>139978215
Maybe. I think by that point we might have too many internal problems. Maybe a civil war that knocks us out of the running, especially if Hitler 2.0 is doing good shit and not giving the centrists reason to chimp out. Germany technically declared war on us, but to be fair, FDR was being a fucking faggot and sending billions of dollars worth of aid to UK/Russia.

>>139964233
Hardly a joke, in Canada 10,000 refugees are going on welfare in Quebec. They get 650 / month. That is 6.5 million a month in tax for just 10,000 people , plus more burden on education and healthcare. It adds up fast.

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>>139955218
Does that infographic mean that 80% of "germans" 32 and younger are not working?

If so, how soon will they be at war to generate an economy?

>>139955452
>supporting the welfare state by bringing in more dependents
How long until the German welfare state collapses? That would pretty much force all the migrants to go back. Either that or risk Holocaust 2: Islamic Genocidoo.

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>>139979159
is this as reliable as pic related?

>>139957081
Damn Hans you are funny.

>>139964653
The bottom 10% of natives are the breeders.
You've just killed your breeder caste.
Grats smug retard.

Sounds a lot like Fake News

I bet it's some right wing Twitter profile. The stated sum is bullshit.

Yes, refugees may cost some money first but in a few years many of them will contribute. Merkel already said that they will have to integrate otherwise there will be some sanctions.
Also there are various studies about the low birth rates and shrinking population in Germany. If there wouldn't be some migration Germany wouldn't be able to compete in the future. We had it before with the turks and eastern europeans and why shouldn't it be possible to achieve the same with Syrian/Iraqis or Africans?

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>>139981929
>If there wouldn't be some migration Germany wouldn't be able to compete in the future.

With migration, Germany won't exist in the future.

Which is a good thing according to your politicians.

>>139955452
it says we have the same, but to a lesser degree. that's bullshit. we have close to 60 million parasites. it's all by design to crash our currency

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>>139965717
>>139966512

>>139955452
>germony is now paying refugees to leave
ayy, man dats raysis

>>139955345
is this satire or are you actually retarded?

>>139955218
Buying a factory also costs a shit ton of cash
I wonder why people do this shit...

>>139961230
This.
May as well just go retire in Syria or Liberia.
I hear the cost of living is cheap and it's always warm and sunny.

>>139965345
this is it. my life was destroyed by cheap labor. my family has been woodworkers, carpenters, cabinet makers for generations. I got hurt on the job tried to get help from so-called "safety net" and couldn't get any because all the $ had been siphoned off for social programs. can't let a fund just sit there and gain interest until needed no, some greedy bastard had to figure a way to get their claws into it. then welfare is given and some places get some $ financed in the long run by the working class taxpayers. I worked 6 day weeks just to pay bills and had work under the table because my medical bills piled up. I had a shattered L2 vertabrae and had to sleep everynight with ice on my groin and low back so these parasites could live off my work and the vampires at the top of the ponzi could get their $. it's all bullshit and they just want to crash us globally and then implement the ready-made solution. we are divided on race, class religion and everything else. if we get together and end the banks and large corps and the gov't they own we could start over and have something wonderful that would benefit everyone. we are being cheated so bad. don't be me. I crippled myself for life cause I thought if I just worked harder it'd be okay. that was 28 years ago and I've lived with an agony of pain that I wouldn't have thought was possible when I was younger. these vampires don't give two shits about you. and you will be a broken slave like me if we don't change things. you can get whatever degree you want, it will all crash down. they've done it before to countries. they want the entire globe this time. we in the West have to stand up and lead the charge, and everyone else too. they are after nk, iran and syria now with their resources. we just can't watch this keep happening. didn't mean to write a book sorry. I'm old and it hurts to see it happen.

>>139966268
I know some of those vietnamese, these new "immigrants" aren't anywhere near the class of the first. cut the welfare and require a sponsor where the person has to stay, make the sponsor responsible for the first. that's why it worked in the past. accountability and responsibility. but, what do I know?

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>>139972701
no, he's clearly an Ahmed.

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>>139981929
>not having babies
>replacing Germans with Africans
>expecting it to go well

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>France
If refugees are so good for your economy, why does Poland have to be punished for not taking them? Surely you should be delighted that you get to keep all the valuable refugees for yourself.