Why did americans ruin liberalism?

Because America is the cancer of the world.

does anyone have the atheism vs christianity version of >>139953241 pic?

>>139953241
Liberalism is cancer by default, true enlightenment comes from a wise man powerfully dictating the rest of the world

People are naturally evil and stupid, giving them freedom was a mistake

>>139953244
Lel what a cuck

At least it's alive.

>>139953246
Corporate welfarism has nothing to do with liberalism, and it's disgusting how easily you have accepted it as the dominant worldview. "The state" is basically a minor entity compared to the power of international capital. Actual classical liberals would most certainly become socialists if faced with contemporary reality. Fighting "the state" made sense before global capitalism became a thing, now it is just about the only mechanism with which you can ensure a decent life for a nation.

>>139953241
If you think this is bad wait till you see what America has done to conservatism. Most of them actually think capitalism and conservatism are compatible.

>>139953241
Because politically it went down the practical Hamilton/British route instead of embracing the ideals of Jefferson and radicals

>>139953248
Burke would probably support much more public services, but I doubt he would advocate the overthrow of capitalism.

>>139953241
Liberalism in any form is ultimately just a tool for capitalism, because its "rationalism" will be reducible to the drive to abolish non-economic/customary obstructions to the free flow of capital and market operations. Maybe you mean French radicalism, not liberalism proper.

>>139953251
I personally see the Rousseau variant of liberalism as pre-socialist. Its conclusions logically lead to the abolition of private property relations.
In general, the right-wing has managed to appropriate the narrative of liberalism and claims that its goals perfectly align with "classical liberals". A cursory reading, however, destroys this naive condition. Just imagine if Thomas Paine was alive and advocated the kind of economic policies he did back then, he would be called a radical now.

>>139953247
Neither now or then is the state some neutral entity isolated from our economic system. Global capitalism and the state go hand in hand.

>>139953241

Are you sure you don't have it backwards? Immediately after the French Revolution they started killing lots of people in the name of tolerance.

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How do you expect to have a proper revolution without executing a lot of dissenters?

>>139953247
The point is that Liberalism is dying in western Europe, also Canada.

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>>139953243

>>139953257
Thanks for posting this bro. My dick is hard. Thank you based LORD and SAVIOR JESUS MOTHERFUCKING CHRIST (born of Mary mother of fucking God)!

This is high worship by the way.

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>>139953241
American liberalism is the only true liberalism in the spirit of John Locke and Adam Smith. Rousseau was a toxic proto-socialist. Bastiat and de Tocqueville were the better french intellectuals.

>>139953258
fuck off, stop LARPing, faggot.

>>139953248
>Most of them actually think capitalism and conservatism are compatible.
How are they not?

>>139953257
Thanks for this, anon.

>>139953261
Capitalism destroys culture.

>>139953251
>its "rationalism" will be reducible to the drive to abolish non-economic/customary obstructions to the free flow of capital and market operations.
Books on this train of thought? Other than Dialectic of Enlightenment.

>>139953263
>commie memes

Capitalism created wealthy and free societies where more people are actively engaged in culture than ever before. Capitalism created this very board where autistic people discuss literature in greater detail than people would have 200 years ago in salons.

>>139953265
>this very board where autistic people discuss literature in greater detail than people would have 200 years ago in salons
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>139953265
>Capitalism created wealthy and free societies where more people are actively engaged in culture than ever before.
The only type of "culture" people are engaged in are vapid tv shows made to cater to the lowest common denominator in order to gross maximum profits.

>Capitalism created this very board where autistic people discuss literature in greater detail than people would have 200 years ago in salons.
Do you really believe le kek memes are in any way comparable to the kind of discourse you found in enlightenment era salons?

And we aren't even talking about all the other main topics of conservatism. The family unit, community ties, religious beliefs, all of these are all being eroded in the name of profit.

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>>139953261

Capitalism is an inherently liberal economic system. It destroys all tradition, erodes all boundaries.

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>>139953267
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g&t=2s

The family unit and religious beliefs are being eroded by socialist subversion, not the free market.

If you are a conservative christian and family man, you should believe in human freedom and individual responsibility. Those are utterly compatible with a socialist society where the state replaces organic societal structures like family and community (Churches, Synagogues etc.).

>>139953269
Conservative values are utterly incompatible with socialism.*

And this is /lit/ guys

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>>139953241
oi vhey

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>french liberalism
>supposed to have the right to keep and bear arms to fight off tyranny
>fat fucks never deemed it necessary to write it down in constitution
>200 years later most guns are banned and carrying is illegal

>>139953241
French Enlightenment was mostly about proto-socialist bullshit.
Into the trash it goes.