Nazism vs Libertarian Right

libertarian right. like it's even a close contest

>eternal bootlicking or you get thrown into a camp
vs
>freedom

real almond activator this one

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>>139950913
Nazism is actually applicable. Libertardianism is about freedom from oppressive government but obviously this is not attainable as the nature of the world itself is fascism.

You divide shills are great but the right is more unified than the left has ever been.

>>139951862
I think its a valid question since /pol/ is 50/50 on this issue

>>139951813

citation needed

>>139952005
lol no they arent. you come here a libertarian you exit as an authoritarian

>>139950913
The correct answer is libertarian national socialism. "Nice Guy National Socialism" if you will.

>>139952084
>libertarian socialism

pls lurk more

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National socialism.

Earth is a rough planet. We all compete, whether we want to or not. I love the market for proving that cooperation and competition are equally real.

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>>139951208
DUDE FREEDOM LMAO

>>139950913

Libertarian right ideology in day to day life, Nazism right as the government.

>>139952371
Libertarian right ideology is a globalist ideology. they're "Patriots" who believe in financing, fighting and dying in wars for all but your own nation, while his nation falls apart. the guns are for show. like crack whores holding a bible projecting an virtuous image.

two modern-day items which are useless are the bible and the gun.

>>139952715
The fuck? Are you implying that we're neocons or Johnson-tier """libertarians"""?

>>139950913
Libertarian. But we can coexist peacefully with nazis as long as they don't impose on us.

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>>139950913
When will people see the light and embrace Hoppe

>>139952831
Yes!

>>139950913
both are shit

>>139952127
1776 when things are going good
1488 when shit gets real

We live in a 1488 age ATM

>>139952073
Wrong. You either become right libertarian or an authoritarian.

>>139950913
Whichever authority is superior depends on the context it is applied on.

In the Americas, Libertarian right would be superior.

In Europe/Asia, Nazism would be superior.

>>139952960
We need 1776 now more than ever with how authoritarian our governments are becoming. Going 1488 would just bring on Ingsoc

>>139950913
virgin nazi: has to create a ministry of propaganda to prove people live good

chad libertarian right: gives people freedom to advance themselves how they want, creating many great inventions for humanity

NatSoc is simply a gateway to an ethnostate. once established, the ethos can be modified accordingly. what it can never allow to be outsourced is 'Self-Determination'

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>>139953046

>implying we dont already live with Ingsoc

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It doesn't matter what ideology we choose, (((they))) will always label us as Nazis so let's just embrace it and go full NatSoc. But a more updated kind like our boys at Charlottesville

>>139953186
This

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>>139950913
Anarcho-Fascism
nature reborn

Libertarianism is just cuckery to be honest. NS is the way to go

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>>139950913
Lolbergtarianism is basically the U.S. minus borders, minus any system of rights all owned by Jews.
It could possibly work if some enterprising lolspergs at the top found a way to exterminate all non-whites off the face of the earth, because that is the only scenario it could work under even just on paper.
In a multi-ethnic world national socialism is the strongest. Unlike communism, which has been tried and failed multiple times, NSDAP Germany was a remarkable economic powerhouse, and one of the main reasons they were targeted for extermination was this extreme economic cucking of Britain right after being in one of the most crushing depressions in history.
https://webmshare.com/play/YJoXa

They're pretty closely related. The main differences being that NatSoc wants to actively counter degeneracy and foster a healthy population while libertarians claim that will happen by itself.

>>139953233
>They'll just call us faggots anyway so let's start sucking dicks
Also
>Charlottesville
>our boys
That whole event was organized by a former Obama supporter who "suddenly" became a white nationalist in 2016. It was a psyop.

None. We need to be non-ideological except for the 14 words. We secure safe space for White people and we will figure out the rest.

Ideology instead of pragmatism poisons everything.

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this scene again?

>>139953371
Strawmen and bold claims get you nowhere.

>>139950913
both are memes, just pick one.

>>139953233
NatSoc ≠ AshkeNAZI

>>139953309
What the hell does that mean

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>>139953480
Wow, start arguing any time.

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>>139953371
>economic powerhouse
>war economy
Pick one, murrican mong sherlock.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/minekonomi/a/vLxBw/har-ar-sveriges-nio-nya-stader

wallah vi bygger sverige

>>139953561
You first when you're down making horrendous fallacies.

>>139951813
a fucking bhuddist is sentimentally attached to the patch of dirt beneath his feet.

you wanna know why this is all one political ruse??

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>>139950913

There's no need to convince. Nazi Germany was defeated and turned to rubble. Too much centralization of power makes it more dangerous to be abused by people with that state power.

Libertarian: free trade, voluntary cooperation, sound money, human and property rights have worked through history to improve people's lives and prosperty.

>>139952973
This isn't true. I was a retard ancap before J started browsing here. I had never given the idea of using governmental control of the people as a force for good until I was given the option. That's why I love /pol/, nothing is off the table and you can push the envelope in any direction and however far you want. It's great for expanding your mind.

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>>139953515
Die kike

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>>139950913
lolbertarianism:
>dude civic nationalism lmao even though the founding fathers were white nationalists
>being an anarchist retard with regards to government and economics
>LIBERAL ENABLING "live and let live bro who cares lol"

and natsoc, which isn't a hard and fast system you would just copy and paste to the united states, but one that would be more based on ideals with some common sense changes to the current paradigm:
>nationalism, no more multiethnic demographic tug of war
>capitalism minus globalist shit like open borders, importing workers, and moving your country's entire production base to china
>no degenerate shit

that said you won't see anything resembling the racist nationalistic pragmatism this country used to have until it collapses and balkanizes

>>139953309
I'm sorry, but oxymorons are a bannable offense

>>139952127
Brother, not a week ago, I was standing where you were. I self identified as a libertarian, I still do, if anyone asks.

The problem I realize, is that culture is created by people just as much as people are created by the culture. Culture, real culture, isn't a set of flashy dresses or a fucking traditional meal. Culture is the set of assumptions, attitudes and values that constitute adaptations bred into us over thousands of years.Whites people, europeans, the west, whatever you want to call us, we have a shared culture bred into our literal DNA. A culture of individualism and liberty, but also of charity and responsibility. We created a state that reflects this, where self -determination is the keystone of our political system. But this system of small government, is only viable if the people will govern themselves. In other words, it requires people who share that same essential culture, the culture that is coded into our very DNA. That ancestral memory of watching fires so our families wouldn't freeze; planning and sowing and storing food so our people wouldn't starve; a past we do not share with the rest of the "multicultural mass" which is invading.

White, European Christians can and did govern themselves, effectively. We created the only free society the world has ever seen. But our system is not immune to subversion, and our freedom has been our undoing. A libertarian government is vulnerable to hostile takeover by military force, or subversion from the people we allow to cohabitate with us.

National Socialism is the answer to this. Despite the name, it has very little in common with Marxism. For one, it's less of a political system and more of a philosophy. In a national socialist state, the government does not seize the means of production, nor does it provide social welfare in any form but public works employment. National Socialism is just the idea that sometimes, the state must intervene to protect the integrity of the society.

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>>139950913
>>139953845

Totalitarian is the opposite of Libertarian.

Authoritarian is also quite the opposite of liberty and libertarian values (voluntary association and cooperation, no use of violence to coerce others or violate their human rights).

>>139953371
But was NSDAP Germany a success because of NatSoc or because they freed themselves from (((corrupting influences)))?

>>139953944
the romans literally did this. the head of the family had absolute rights over the rest of the family. he could kill them or sell them into slavery if he wanted

>>139953763
>ban marriage equality
If you have to strawman to make your argument that's an argument against you. Conservatives didn't try to *ban* quote unquote marriage equality. Marriage is between one man and one woman. The left redefined it to include same sex couples and then demanded government sanctions for said couples. One a libertarian would oppose. Fucking memelord redditors

>>139953763
Yes. NatSoc was working too well, and had to be destroyed. It didn't fail; it was a huge success. It had to be destroyed.

As for your second point; what part of the world has a successful example of your utopia?

>>139953944
Your image went from Mother to He

The only libertarianism that is capable of succeeding is Hoppean libertarianism.

Gas the democrats and the communists and enforce your borders.

>>139953850
You think polluting someone's private property was allowed in NatSoc Germany?
And the picture is right: Rent IS voluntary while taxation is not. If you wouldn't use your political views to compensate for your personal shortcomings you wouldn't use this kind of non arguments.

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>>139953599
>>139953684
I hope that I'm talking to some Schlomo shills and not whites this cuckolded.

>>139953309
>Anarcho-Fascism
I have heard everything

>>139950913
>Between 1933 and 1939 the total revenue amounted to 62 billion marks, whereas expenditure (at times comprising up to 60% rearmament costs) exceeded 101 billion, thus causing a huge deficit and national debt (reaching 38 billion marks in 1939 and coinciding with Kristallnacht in November 1938 and with intensified persecutions of Jews and the outbreak of World War II).[6][7] When a large share of Mefo’s five-year promissory notes fell due in 1938, the National Socialist government employed “highly dubious methods” where “banks were forced to buy government bonds, and the government took money from savings accounts and insurance companies,” due mainly to a serious government cash shortage.[8] By 1938 unemployment was practically extinct.[9]
-Wikipedia entry on the Economy of Nazi Germany

Nazi Germany as unsustainable as any lefty economy. It's unnatural for there to be no unemployment and requires constant expansion of government (as far as other countries, in fact) in order to keep itself alive

Libertarianism is utopian, but one of the closest examples would be Switzerland
-One of the freest economies in the planet
-Low Government spending as % of GDP
-Very decentralized government
-Gun ownership
-NAP

No wonder Hitler considered it the "pimple on the face of Europe"

>Foreign nation invades you
Strong and proud national socialist army drives out the invaders
>Or
Several rich warlords will try to bribe the foreign governent once their mercenaries has fled or died,
all while the common folk gets enslaved and the cunt gets overrun because there is no army in an ancap society.

>people unironically think the question is capitalism vs communism/socialism
Neither are possible. It is, and always has been arbitrary and discretionary rule of law versus natural law.

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>>139950913
Libs have been winning the economic argument for the last half a century, it's not even close. The social argument is debateable though.
Nazism is only relevant right now because our society needs more order.
In this regard though, Nazism loses to Christianity - you don't have the industriousness to create or become a hitler youth, if you were anything like the Nazis you would kill yourself right now for being a stinky, useless, fat, fucking mongrel that wastes their life talking to losers on the internet.
Christianity wins because it underpins western culture and morality, it demands you seek your ideal self and aligns us all towards this goal. It also doesn't threaten to genocide your strongest ally or create an unstoppable economic war-machine in which you would be a lifeless cog.

>>139950913
Nazism is for shut in neckbeards who will never do anything with their lives. It's self destructive in the same way communism is, so it appeals to those who want to see the world burn.

Libertarian right is a pipe dream but at least it's an honorable ideal to work toward.

>>139954469
>Wikipedia

:)

>>139950913
fascism is for morons.
You should have the right to tell the government to fuck off. who wants to lick fucking boot?

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>>139950913
Fuck, if I was part of ISIS right now, I'd be trying pretty hard to get you to turn on the Jews, if there has been one thing that has ruined them for good it has been the Christian-Jewish alliance.

>>139955225
>No rebuttal

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NatSoc or: How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Lick the Boot

>>139955369
You don't have to lick anyone's boot if you acknowledge that fascism is the superior ideology

>>139953944
> espouses "national socialism"
> describes nationalism, teddy roosevelt style
> "forgot" to add the socialism
> the most dangerous lies are the ones left unsaid ~ me

your probnlem, as with al;l the other fascists nazis, neo-nazis, crypto-fascists, anarcho-__________ists, "democratic socialists", "social democrats", "progressives", etc is that you try to pretend youre not COMMUNISTS at heart
you are communists, collectivist, marxist jingoistic morons.
all you have are slogans, words lose all meaning as you endlessly finestone them, noam chompsky style into an insubstantial pablum.
natiionalism is NOT eternally bound to "socialism". you can have nationalism without ever inserting a dram of marxian bullshit, but only if you have a functional brain.
you clowns have so closely associated nationalism with marxist "socialism" that the two start to look like the same thing.

you are not a nationalist, youre a plain ordinary run of the mill marxist socialist, a fucking bolshevik without the revolution.
thhats what fascism and nazism is, you dumb cunts.
marxism without the revolution, resultiung in the exact same Authoritarian Socialist State, as described by marx and engels in das kapital, just by the ballot box instead of hurling bodies at the barricades.

thats why fascism and nazism failed, marxism always fails.
go fuck yourself.

>>139950913
>Libertarian Right
leads to degeneracy that we have now

Nazis an answer that we need now

>>139950913
Why not both

This is not a good comparison since Nazism is an ideology and Libertarianism is anything bottom right on the political spectrum, a comparison like Nazism vs Minarchism would have been a wiser choice.
They both want to achieve the same thing minus the antisemitism.
Nazism requires a strong government.
Libertarianism requires a strong culture.
To explain this better I would use the example of gays:
Nazism want gay marriage banned by the state.
Libertarians want marriage to be something that the state has nothing to do with and as such marriage would only be a thing the church does, thus gays not being allowed to marry.
I could go on for hours about the differences but this is a VERY WIDE comparison. Also we shouldn't include An-Caps in this discussion since they are so delusional that they couldn't bring anything good to the table.

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>>139956143
tl;dr

>>139953978
>calling people brother
>"our people"
Damn dude you are either FBI or pretty overtly trying to brainwash people

You clearly didn't read 25points of nazi campaign
Have so much false sophist statements in your post is laughable

>>139950913

I read in one of the relevant "/pol/ recommended reading list" books, can't remember which, that Hitler saw the NatSoc idea as a stepping stone towards an new society and that this NatSoc phase needs to last as long as it needs, even decades. And the end result would be a somewhat libertarian society.

And I completely agree, once subhumans have been irradicated (and I don't mean camps, simply remove low moral values with education over a few decades), once the population has been educated, the people are safe, the ethnostate strives etc... then you can move away from dictatorship.

Fixing our current situation won't happen with some lax reforms, I don't even believe that we can fix it without civil war. We need a huge crisis, lots of dead people, lots of suffering, removal of unwanted and then rebuild everything from the rubble. Give is 2-3 years of civil war in Europe, 5-10 years of rebuilding phase and 20-30 years of reeducation. Society will move closer and closer towards a libertarian ethno-state over time. Yet I also believe that certain Ideas must be suppressed, like always, the opinions going against that created system, otherwise the cycle will repeat over and over again leading to then next crisis.

>>139956537
Same thing stalin said buddy
you are a brain washed idiot

>>139955874
neo-nazis who fancy thhemselves "intellectuals" love to applaud the "victories" of nazism, but they ignore the fact that the nazis basically robbed the country blind, to build a massive war machine so they could go out and plunder others to re-fill their cofffers.

even if the nazis had succeeded in conquering europe, they would only have been acting in the same manner germanics have always behaved, barbarians plundering their neighbors and then pretending they dindu nuffin.

nazism created NOTHING.
all of hitlers "economic growth" was a fart in the wind.
morons who still advocate for nazism or fascism today are ignorant moronic dipshits who dont know how to balance a checkbook.

I choose neoreaction.

>>139956330
> complains about my rebuttal to his idiocy
> employs "tldr" trope
> posts image with a wall of gibberish from the one-ball manlet shitstabber (((adolf sheckelgruber))).
yes, thats his real name, literally Money Grubber.
born to a whore working the jewish end of town, nobody knows who his daddy is, but his mother was a degenerate jewess.

ohh snap.
wheres your hero now?

>>139956143

It's people like you that have no idea about history and why "socialism" was even started... and I don't mean the marxist socialism (which is not NatSoc), I'm talking about social reforms like the ones Bismarck started for more social security etc...

You see there is a distinct difference between the marxist-socialists and the other "socialists" (READ: WELFARE STATE). The marxist-socialists are fanatics of the ideology following it by the book thinking the revolution is needed to lead mankind into a new age. The "socialists" which also includes NatSoc, include the welfare state just for one, and only one reason: keep the people happy so that they don't revolt against the system, that is all, and that is what it always was. The "socialism" in NatSoc is comparable to current Germany or Scandinavia... it is simply a big welfare state barely indulging in any kind of actual marxist-leninist ideas. It's basically "forced collectivism" through the welfare state payed by high taxes... but that is all the collectivism you get. People still don't give a shit about each other, the people are simply kept happy, or secure, so that they don't revolt. In order for the people to also start caring for each other you add nationalism to the recipe.

Don't lump a welfare state under the same category as socialism, especially when they are applied for different reasons. Hence, you have to be retarded to not implement some kind of social security system in order to keep the masses happy, otherwise your rule will be short... or you have a Stalinist style dictatorship making sure there is nobody who will revolt.

>>139956655
There is nothing brainwashed about the idea you retard. A prime example of this happening is post WW2 Germany. The allies had decades of control over our media, reeducating the people away from monarchism, NatSoc, Nationalism, Ethno-centrist thinking etc... Back then, it was also said directly to the people (that american ones) that a decade long reeducation for Germany is needed, and they applied it. Hence, it will work as described. But someone void of relevant knowledge won't understand anyway.

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>>139956909
>something something socialism, you're [buzzwords], therefore communism
>a rebuttal

statist cucks are the worst kind of subhumans.

>>139956330
>Hitler doesnt understand the concept of marxism 's Private and Personal property
brainlet

>>139956330
You are quoting Hitler the same way commies are quoting Marx.

>>139950913
Not retarded like the left ideologies, but still pure autism. Unrestricted capitalism is degenerate, but there's also no point in banning everything.

>>139952133
>that
>national socialism
yeah nah demsoc

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>>139957942
Wet dreams of a degenerate. Kys

>>139950913

One is achieved through the other.

Capitalism will always benefit the Jew. They own all the companies, banks and shares, thus will rule over us forever whilst we slave for a sheckle working against one another to reach the "American dream" of making it big which 99.9% of the population will never do
Communism just gives the Jew total control of everything, they would incite the brown masses against the bourgeois whites
Natsocs the only viable solution. Yes, it has socialist elements. Freehealth care is a socialist policy, it does not make it inherently bad

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>>139950913
libertarianism dosent work beacuse it is to easy to subvert

>>139953084
>had libertarian right: gives people freedom to advance themselves how they want,
and people have chosen democratic socialism so i guess

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>>139953561
is that putin?

>>139950913
A collectivist strategy always wins over a individualist one. Just look at the jews

>>139953309
The fuck does that mean? Rule by random chance?

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>>139950913
Conanism, my friend.

I don't think Nazism would have stopped at the Jews.
Culling would have eventually moved on to specific whities deemed inferior for arbitrary reasons.
Sucking hitler's cock seems to be a reaction to the far left sucking off marx.
I wish /pol/ was a little more nuanced about this shit in general.
Just because your opponents are monkeys throwing shit doesn't mean you should also drop trow and squeeze a fresh steamer into your hand.

>>139950913
Libertarians in the Hoppe vain. Why? Because we can get rid of inferior white people right along side the inferior races. You know it must be done. Some people that could squeeze into the definition of 'Aryan' need to go as well

>>139950913
in theory libertarian, it's not even a contest
but since everyone seems to be a collectivist retard who want to tell other people what to do then fuck you natsoc it is

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>>139950913
natsoc will phase out. Libertarians will remain forever

>I have spent most of my life studying Germanic matters (in the general sense that includes England and Scandinavia). There is a great deal more force (and truth) than ignorant people imagine in the 'Germanic' ideal. I was much attracted by it as an undergraduate in reaction against the 'Classics'. You have to understand the good in things, to detect the real evil. Anyway, I have in this War a burning private grudge - which would probably make me a better soldier at 49 than I was at 22: against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf Hitler. Ruining, perverting, misapplying, and making for ever accursed, that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved, and tried to present in its true light. Nowhere, incidentally, was it nobler than in England, nor more early sanctified and Christianized.

>>139960079
>in theory
commies of the right

>>139961568
more like the opposite, natsocs are way closer to communists than libertarians

>>139955081
This

>>139961819
>ore like the opposite, natsocs are way closer to communists than libertarians
he means that just like with communism ,libertarianism can only work in theory

>>139955081
This

People still think in red versus blue terms.

>>139950913
Chadism is the only ideology worth anything

>>139950913
>Convince me which is the superior ideology.
It really depends on who the populace is and what they believe.
National Socialism can only work well in a homogeneous society made up of very select breeds of white men. They must be of an orderly stock. And then those men all have to believe in it, as in 1930s Germany.
Libertarianism, is fuckin absolute shit for anyone who wants gibs. and honestly, it';s a theoretical society at this point so if it has some fatal flaw we don't know yet.
If you look at modern societies, they actually have a balance of both. For the most part people are free, but at the same time nations try to have an identity and reinforce that through Government.

>>139951208
WRONG

Libertarianism = absolute right to own property.

It is not about freedom. You are not free to attack others properties.

>>139952133
>implying this meme chart is an accurate and informative representation of anything meaningful at all

>>139951813
Nazism is not applicable because after the first few years of growth due to militaristic spending the reality of how bad investment it was kicks in and things start going south.

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>>139962550
This, it's the real reason right Libertarianism is the superior ideology.

>>139956266
When people talk about libertarian right they talk about the Hoppean/Rothbardian theory of Anarcho Capitalism with pure property rights and private law societies.

>>139950913
None each is more suited for different environments and history period

>>139954305
>missing the point completely

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Freedom isn't free

>>139957922
I'm extremely close to that on the chart and natsoc so kys retard.