>Japan will suffer economic decline due to RAPIDLY decrease

Some European countries actually have lower birthrates than Japan yet nobody says anything about it

the media just likes to prop up Japan because it falls into the "lol Asians aren't sexual" white media propaganda

Also Japan doesn't need more people considering their technology it's probably just equalizing

>>139949952
THIS

im a patriot and a very similiar situation here. if we don't accept immigrant then there will be no poland because of our stagnating population! these nationalist are retards.

>>139949952
are you sure you want to suffer the fate of us whites of the diversity = strength ?

are you really sure you want that?

>>139949952
isn't japan's economy on an upswing? also population stabilization =/= to decline, the labour market is contracting due to automation and that will only increase over the next few decades, importing millions of unskilled brown people who will drain your social services and blow you up is hardly what I would call intelligent.

>>139949952
Looks like Japan will have to fall victim to the Big White Cock

Don't you all live in cupboards already? Can you even fit in more people?

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>>139949952
You don't need niggers, you need robotus.

>>139949952

Then stop fucking jacking to little girls, shit anime porn and playing dating sims AND START FUCKING YOUR WOMEN MORE!

Jesus christ, the fact you faggots would rather use a flesh like then shove your dick in a real woman is depressing.

>>139949952

No, why are YOU retarded,
when many other countries are still largely homogenous, and are not experiencing birth decline.

The reason why you are suffering from birth decline is because you have a 2 in penis, and women find you disgusting.

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>>139949952
When the population decreases, what will stop the nips from making more babies with all those jobs opportunities opening up and increasing their salary in order to grab the few people remaining?
wouldn't that just create a boomer generation?

why would you want to import niggers that don't actually solve the issue but only delay it while increasing taxes, crimes, stress and genetic and cultural degradation?
No, I'm serious, tell me what importing "people" is supposed to solve.

>>139950178
>I'm a patriot
>who cares about our sovereignty guys bring them ALL in :-DD

>>139949952
Declining population is a free market problem. Just fill more pussies bro lmfao

>>139950900
It's not as simple as 'lol, Japanese men don't want fukk', you mong. Japan's low birthrate is because it bought into the idea of women in the workplace as hard as it was possible to do so and now women literally can't afford to have children because it'll cost them their job. Combine that with the fact that Tokyo and it's surroundings are too expensive for a couple to live comfortably on one person's wage and you get no one having children.

>>139949952
Taking in immigrants for the sake of economy is like peeing your pants for the sake of staying warm.
It's not even a solution, it just leaves the problem for later.

>>139949952
>less people so less money

Seems perfectly normal

>let's bring in shit quality people to have a little more money even if there will be less per capita

seems totally retarded

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>>139949952
I think it's an instinctive countermeasure against a too-high population density. Humans aren't meant to live packed tight as sardines. Information overload from modern technology probably exacerbates the phenomenon, but automation also allows us to live comfortably with a low population count.

>muh perpetual growth
Neolibs should die in a fire

>>139949952
Die with dignity you faggot nip.

>>139949952
You know nothing of economy, after black death europe thrived, because there were less people to support and more land for everyone. Big populations destroy nations. Japan already is overpopulated.

only 8 months more and I'll be migrating there. Im getting a qt 3.14 nip gf. Such a comfy future

It's your turn to get enriched Japan.
All these faggots will totally not go on the gibs and sperg out like they did everywhere else.
This time they are definitely going to pay for your pensions.
Welfare caliphate and burning cars in Tokyo in 3...2...1...

spotted the japanese proxy
you're just as bad as the niggers you want to let in

m8 jsut fucking have kids

>>139951109
People in this thread ( and almost every one that's been posted weekly as of late) seem to forget China had a one child policy that was rigorously enforced all through the 80s to raise incomes and cap the population growth. All I ever see from Ill-informed people is Muh growth! Muh aging population!

Declining western populations would be a good thing

>>139952883
Actually, China's growth is declining. And the gov encourage people to have children. Whatever.

>>139950178
Hello jew

>>139949952
>Accept workers who have university degrees to work for three years.
>Invite the workers who have proven to be good citizens (pay taxes and don't commit crimes) back for 7 years with residency.
>After that the worker will be assimilated and allow them citizenship or permanent residency.
Any visitor that commits a note worthy crime get deported immediately.

Not hard to fix.

BASED IMMIGRATION NIP IS BACK.

COMMIT SUDOKU

>>139952883
One child policy fucked them over. Their population is ageing even faster than Europe. It was one of those Chinese things when one retard tells them to kill all the birds and they actually do it the absolute madmen.

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>>139949952
here.

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>>139950178

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>>139949952
Spare about 10 of your waifus and I'll repopulate your entire island with half white half asian warriors. I only accept 8/10, 9/10, or 10/10 though.

>>139949952
Gdp is not even close to a measure of general happiness. The gov can always ban contraception if need be.

>>139949952
what are robots? stop making this threads mr teacher

>>139949952
Because its population for economy, not economy for population! We live for economy!

>>139949952
That's like inviting a murder into your house cause you can't afford the rent.

Not being able to afford the rent is bad but it's preferable to being murdered.

>>139955437
The problem in japan isn't contraceptive, it's that the urban males have basically given up completely because they vidya/internet/etc and have no desire to find a mate. Google "herbivore epidemic" and it explains it pretty well. Last I checked, the government over there was literally bussing girls out to the rural areas and paying for speed-dating just to try to match people up and tell them to "do their duty to the country" or some shit. Pretty sad desu considering they've got a pretty decent culture.

Immigration is not necessarily bad, just don't take in inferior races like niggers and sandniggers.

>>139949952

t. David-kun

>>139949952
the situation will fix itself dont need stupid fixes from stupid people
eventually the women will adapt and start dating the betas

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Good good, now invite me into your country so I can impregnate the best of your women.

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brainwashed Asian women are hilarious and retarded

Asian communities should abandon them completely so when the white loser she shacked up with dumps her for a younger thai hooker she can stew in the shit she made for herself.

>>139949952

If Japan ever absolutely NEEDS other people, just do what the middle east does.

> "immigrant" must have an employment sponsor -- you're brought in to work for THEM.
> Moment that's done or they're fired/quit, you're deported.
> They don't have rights because they're not a citizen.
> They can't ever become a citizen, nor their descendants.
> If a Japanese girl is stupid enough to marry one, their children are not citizens.
> They can be deported at any time for any reason.

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>>139949952
Shit like this makes me despise the new flag policy on this board even more. It should always be geo-location and ONLY geo-location, because I refuse to believe that a person who is actually from Japan, where motherfuckers are literally living in cabinets stacked on top of each other, is a COMPLAINING ABOUT POPULATION DECLINE!
Kike, are you serious?
GTFOHWTBS

((((shill))))

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>>139950178
is
>im a patriot
newspeak for
>hello fellow pedes
why yes it is anon

>>139949952
>Rapidly declining population
Unless youre killing off people by the busloads on a daily basis you have an interesting interpretation of rapid

Pls no shitposting my fellow 内人

>>139952524


いったいなんだと、てめえ?特殊作戦群のクラスでは一番の俺は無数のアルカイダに反して極秘の使命に関わったし、公認キル数は300名以上なんだぞ。ゴリラ兵として訓練したんだ、そして自衛隊の最高の狙撃兵。お前はつまらぬ目標だ、それだけ。間違いない、この世に見たことない精度でぶっこわすぞ。ネットでそんな悪い口なんて言いやがると、俺は許せると思うのか?考えなおせ。話しながら日本中のスパイネットワークを呼んで、IPをたどってるので、嵐のために準備を。生活と言う可哀想さの殲滅を持ってくる嵐だ。お前はもう死んでいる。

>>139949952
Japan is an example of an ethnically homogenous culture being successful.
If the 'moar immigranz' thing was a calculated move to help Japan, I'd support it, but it seems more like a plan to punish Japan for daring to go against a (((narrative))), turning it into a high-crime, low-trust, deteriorated landfill as is happening across Europe, making the entire nation nothing but a lamb to be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.
For decades the rallying cry was that Japan was way overpopulated. It's not gonna collapse before correcting itself to a stable state. Sorry there's a great example of a successful monoculture making you feel insecure about your beliefs, but get over yourself.

>>139949952
This is a central bank mentality. "Gotta keep growing! Gotta keep issuing fiat debt-notes!

You are better off with a low birthrate and crash the yen. Growing pains, but better than the cancer of inferior races invading your country

Jewconomics
>infinite economic growth
>infinite interest
>infinite population growth
When will you drop the jewconomics and wake up to reality?

>>139949952
in the free market there's no reason why people's standards of living should decline, just because the population declines.

however, since your debt to gdp is 2.5, you are definitely right (but for the wrong reasons). japan will have a sovereign debt crisis, a hyper inflation of the yen, and people will be better off for it in 5-10 years (unless your governments decides to interfere, then good luck).

>>139949952

There is no decrease of the population, neither economic decline. I call proxy or crypto.
Watch out for the new demographical ((studies)) comming out about Japan. And make them have no effect.

Your society works perfectly and it's beautiful. Don't let anybody ruin it.

>>139949952
The post black plague Europe disproves your point, rabbi.

>>139950388
>isn't japan's economy on an upswing?
umm, no they are in a recession due to a crushing public debt

>inb4 hurr durr japan grows at 1%/yr how can it be in a recession.

those growth numbers are measured using government's measure of inflation, in other words, it's bullshit.

>>139949952
GO HOME WHITU PIGGU!!!

>>139949952
It's fucking almost like people eventually die from old age.

>>139960102
real inflation is around 5-6%, meaning the japan's economy is shrinking at the rate of 3-4% every year (just like the US').

>>139949952
If old people die, then you don't have to pay their pensions. Seems like this problem will work itself out over the long run.

>>139960102
>increased electrical consumption
>increased exports
>increased local consumption
>massive improvements in the standards of living of every Japanese person since the 90's

The lost decade is bullshit, describing a problem of banks rather than a problem of the Japanese economy. Every metric that actually tells us how the lives of the Japanese are shows its getting better for them.

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>>139950178
>there will be no poland because of our stagnating population
I've heard that it's possible to make new humans through this ritual with the opposite sex. I've heard that's how our ancestors solved the population problem. I think we should return to these old ways once more.

>>139949952
>(((economic decline)))
they'll do fine

>>139949952
Drink a large bottle of water.
Now add one tiny particle of shit.
Will you drink the water?
Niggers and wogs, not even one.

>>139949952
I don't care how rapid the population decline is. Nothing destroys a country faster than third world immigration. The people pushing for immigration are the economic purists (read: jews) who see anything that isn't endless growth as a problem to be fixed.

Fundamentally, a low birth rate is a lot easier to fix than millions of niggers in your country. Don't let them exploit you.

>>139949952
I live here and the population decline is pure bullshit, the west and the media have long talk about the shrinking population. However the numbers are only coming from majors cities like Tokyo and Osaka, they never count the rural and country side areas. OP is full of shit, immigrant English teach who wants a full ride in Japan.

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>>139949952
you have to go back english teacher, were full

Already we get many foreigners, of course it is not refugees like the situation of Europe. I think the reluctance is seeing how many foreigner behave in Japan. Africans are very lazy, maybe 1% wear a suit and tie and work. Others just behave badly and drink and harass women. The Turk people try to join Japanese thinking and culture, but not all. European countries people are usually okay. American men teach English and help single mothers. White women are a beautiful nuisance.
All of these are okay and better than Chinese or Korean.

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>>139960277
>t. a federal reserve worker

yeah, nah. Increased consumption doesn't drive economic growth, Keynes, it's actually the other way around, increase in savings does.

>>139960738
these are also non inflation adjusted numbers (LOL).

>>139949952
>Japan will suffer economic decline due to RAPIDLY decrease of population
Stop LARPing, Japan reported a population increase in 2016. Birth rates are surpassing the aging population you VPN using shareblue faggot.

>>139949952
The reason for mass immigration is to prop up the fake economy. Without letting the system reset alongside the shrinking population mass immigration will always be needed. Third world shitskins only breed so much until a generation or two in the west enables them have fewer kids thus reinforcing the need for immigration.

I just want a guitar from Japan

>>139949952
Japan could use a little depopulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXFRO89hVRE

>>139957632
They have two times the population of France with a country two times smaller and yet people make a fuss about population decline.

I mean to be honest,don't you guys have too many people anyway? It's not like Japan needs manpower or Workers anyway.

>>139960738
No, investing does, you third level retard. Japan, after all, was the country with the single largest amounts of savings prior to the "lost" decade, and according to your own joke of an opinion, they have been in a downward spiral ever since. Hell, China is currently the single largest saver of the planet, and it only became such AFTER its massive economic growth.

The irony of an anarchocapitalist claiming to be using econometrics as evidence of decline rather than actual physically traded things aside, there's no indication in the actual economic movement of a decline.

There isn't, and there was not, any real decline in the Japanese economy under any real metric, and it has kept it up for 20 years.

PS: deflation isn't an issue, you idiot. You know, the thing people keep screaming about the Japanese economy, not inflation, because the prices of everything keeps going down despite the efforts of their central bank?

>>139960965
It's a god damn train, why the fuck don't they just add more carts?!

>>139950178
we accepted Ukrainians you fucking moron

>>139960965
Jesus,
Sometimes i'm thankful for the 19 million pop we have .

>>139961608
It's a kike, a lefty or a troll, no need to reply.

>>139961716
Wait,
now that i think about it,getting crushed by qt' is not so bad.

>>139961515
Because rush hour is not actually indicative of normal traffic. Except for those two hours, most of Japan's metro is actually comfortable to ride, with a seat being available 80% of the time.

The issue isn't overpopulation, it's over centralization of work.

>>139960965
You can't look at it that way, their debt to gdp ratio is already 250%

if you have lower population then you have less money for trains and other shit. So it's not like that situation would be better, only if Tokyo had fewer people.

>>139961470
>No, investing does, you third level retard

And apparently investment comes from spending, now. Because you know, that's what people who don't have any money saved up do? They invest. /sarcasm

>There isn't, and there was not, any real decline in the Japanese economy under any real metric, and it has kept it up for 20 years.

Except, average wages, gdp growth, gdp per capita, inflation, productivity etc. But, hey, you decide what "real metrics" are.

>PS: deflation isn't an issue, you idiot.

In general sense of the word, no it's not (i.e. when prices are falling). But kinda is, when the thing deflating are your wages.

>Hell, China is currently the single largest saver of the planet,

Yeah, and? Because of their savings they are growing 8% on average, same thing happened in the US during Reagan years, where's the fucking mystery here? You make a point "china is the single largest saver of the planet" like that's supposed to prove your Keynesianism right or something.

>>139949952
Jesus fuck man, why do you idiots always give this guys threads so many replies? Just ignore him for fucks sake, it's like you guys can't help yourselves.

>>139949952
Your country is already overpopulated you stupid nip. Imagine your clustered trains being full of niggers and sandniggers who actually will rape and molest your women in public

>>139961515
Because central planning is impossible? No matter how smart the people doing the central planning are.

Think of how many variables there are - people constantly moving around, new buildings being constructed, ever expanding and decreasing population that actually uses public transport, etc.

>>139957632
Capsule hotels are only used by business men that missed the last train home to sleep for 5 hours.
But everything else you said is right

>increased automation reduces work force
>immigration is good
pick one self loathing cuck

all open borders advocates get the bullet

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>>139949952
I, for one, volunteer to save your country.
Where do I sign in?

>>139962080
both are true. if we are talking about immigration in the free sense of the word (not being a slave for a company on a h1b visa)

I mean it's true that immigration increases the supply of labor, but it also increases the demand for labor.

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>>139962041
>not sleeping 8 hours

>>139961515
The loading platforms are very long and full of carts. Also during rush hour the trains run every 3 minutes on some lines, you can't run any more due to safety. But stuff like that video is actually pretty rare outside of a few stations, meanwhile Tokyo has 285 stations overall (depending how you count).

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>>139962256
This.

>>139961470
REKT

>>139961953
Have you noticed OUR debt to GDP?

>>139949952
Pretty sure Japan has survived worst.

>>139962481
Yes, and do you honestly think that the US Congress is going to pay back 20 trillion dollars? Really?

They are either going to default one day, or print their way out.

>>139962519
Oh shit boy

>>139949952
The whole idea to accept immigrants to support the ageing population is a myth spread by the elites and banking cartels in order to create debt (or as they call it grow the economy).

Borrow money to build infrastructure for these people, while they will themselves will borrow money for mortgages. This will sate the debt creation needed to grow the economy.

I like Japans conservative approach to create robots to care for the ageing population, why not borrow money to invest in these approaches, it will maintain a culture and allow technological process?

>>139949952
The 'decline' is going to happen, no matter what they do, but the more the population increases, the harder the fall

Basically these people are just pushing the economy to make investors richer and lure some new ones in.
What happens when the risk/reward ratio gets worse? - a crash.
They are 'preventing' the crash by pushing it further and further, making the crash in the end way worse.

一体何人の日本国旗が本当の日本人なんだ?

>>139956365
>pretty decent culture
Part of their culture is that in a marriage, the woman handles all of the money. The man has to ask for an allowance. This worked ok when women grew up believing in her place as being in the home, raising the children and absolving the wage earning man from the mundane household chores. When women entered the workforce and started earning their own money, their need to attract a man was reduced. This is similar to the western world. What's somewhat different is that women retained their cultural attachment to being in control of the finances in the relationship. Men now see entering a marriage as a death of their independence and as they are not respected simply for being the wage earner, one of the primary benefits of the marriage is gone. Women became too worldly when they entered the workplace. They haven't become turbo sluts like western women but they have ceased to be partners in the family unit and instead have all the power. Men don't find that to be an attractive situation.

>>139962569
>They are 'preventing' the crash by pushing it further and further,

Exactly, if they just let the economy fully crash 20 years ago, it would have been bad for a couple of years, but japan would recover. I mean they recovered after not one, but two nuclear bombs after all.

But noooo, you can't have that, the politicians need to get re-elected, so they can't let the economy crash on their watch.

>>139961953
Most of it's public debt you twit. Japan will be fine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult
Worry about your own, no-count country.

>>139963047
>Most of it's public debt you twit.

Oh well that's fine then, because aliens pay off public debt of course. It's what my sociology professor thought me.

>>139961953
>And apparently investment comes from spending, now.
It certainly doesn't come from savings, as again, Japan's saving rate was the highest in the world before the so called "lost" decade, torpedoing your point in the face. Further torpedoing it is the fact Japan has never been a country that doesn't save. While not Qatar, with its 10 year 53% average saving rate, or China, with its 50%, the average saving rate for the Japanese worker has never gone below 44%, even in times of global recession. Japan is easily one of the countries with the highest rates of savings in the world. According to you, this means their economic issues shouldn't exist. And yet they do. Savings, then, don't provide any growth benefits according to your very own metrics.

>averages wages
Your own graph shows no declined, and at worse a slow down of growth. Furthermore, it's irrelevant. The fact Bobby isn't getting paid more each year isn't what matters, what matters is if Bobby can get more stuff to make his life better. That's why a Jap living today would refuse to back to the 80's, because they now can afford cars, cellphones, washing machines and the rest. They couldn't, in the allege wonderland of pre-"lost" decade Japan.

>gdp growth
A constantly increasing number is bad because of reasons?

>Inflation
Japan has been on a program to increase its inflation for years, with its official inflation being cancelled out by the price deflation of everything. That's why the average inflation number in Japan hasn't broken the 5% mark in decades. Japan has made no attempts to stop it from growing, everyone, include chaim #47:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/15/a-better-economic-plan-for-japan

>productivity
Last time Japan's productivity didn't show an upward trend was the 2008 world economic collapse, so I don't even know what you are on about.

All in all, you don't know shit.

>>139963263
Archived https://archive.is/hbd2T

>>139962406
Last train generally is close to midnight, with the next train being at 5-6, depending on where you are. If you have somewhere to be, you are just getting 5 hours.

>>139963305
Love you, nordbot. Pls don't ever leave us.

>>139963389
I'm just saying it's not a lot of sleep.
Have you tried the capsule hotels yourself?

>>139963305
You're a fucking machine.

>>139949952
>Oh look it's this thread again
Be honest, are you a degenerate weeb trying to live in Japan?
we all know what happens with mass immigration and we all know it's not worth it to let them in, shut the fuck up.

>>139963569
Exactly

>>139963489
Yeah, I have. My advice: don't use them unless you have to. They offer no benefit for anyone but the train misser, with business hotels offering better value to those who plan a stay in advance and hostels offering better value for the cheapo traveller. Now, if you just want the experience that one time, feel free to do it, but you will see its not that great.

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>>139963263
>It certainly doesn't come from savings,

Yes it does. Investment comes from savings. When people have more money than they need for daily life, then they invest that money. You can't invest money you don't have. Seriously, do you work for the government?

>Your own graph shows no declined

It clearly does. I mean if you can't read raw numbers, then I can't help you. Not to mention that these NON INFLATION ADJUSTED numbers, meaning that once you account for inflation the decline is even larger.

>A constantly increasing number is bad because of reasons?

Already explained that their economy is shrinking not growing, because the inflation measured by the government (CPI) is lower than it should be. Yes yes, I know CPI is USA, but the same principle holds.

>Japan has been on a program to increase its inflation for years
"Prices are falling, quick, print more money, we can't let people have cheap stuff" - t. Keynesian logic

But I guess since there is a "government program" to increase inflation, the inflation is probably going to decrease.

>Last time Japan's productivity didn't show an upward trend was the 2008 world economic collapse, so I don't even know what you are on about.

Average hours of work are up. So again, phony government statistics. If productivity was really up, then the hours worked would go down, not up. Of course average hours of work could also indicate loss of living standard, and not having enough money too, but either way it doesn't bode well for Japan.

>>139963851
Because things are even worse, if productivity is up and average hours of work are also up.

>>139963824
Yeah I want to try them once.

But aren't they the cheapest thing? Doesn't that make up for it?

>>139949952
You won't need to make the same amount of money when you have less people.

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>You can have old people not dying or you can have mass immigration, you CANNOT have both

But for all human history we've had old people not dying without mass immigration... I don't think your economics is calculated properly... let me help you...

>YOU CANNOT HAVE BOTH

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>>139951323
>too expensive for a couple to live comfortably
LMAO. When has parenting ever NOT been about sacrifice? Just admit it, you'd sooner your race die out than give up pic related for even a second.

>>139964007
For all the human history you didn't have social security and welfare. He is right in that sense, you can't old people not working and receiving government checks every months, without nobody to pay for that, and of course the math is way off on this, because the average person takes way more money out of the government, when they retire, than they put in.

If old people wanted to have security and happiness in their old age, MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE SOME CHILDREN INSTEAD OF LIVING LIKE ENTITLED HEDONISTS. Just saying. Our old have not made children to guarantee a future for us, and now they want to rob the future of those few children there are just to rot in their beds a while longer. We should fucking kill childless old people right now

>>139949952
This asshole again. Timestamp of your eyes. Let me see if you're really a nip or just another overpaid overweight over-medicated expat.

>>139964029
>LMAO. When has parenting ever NOT been about sacrifice?

In terms of jobs? Like, never? In the 1950s in the US, people had 3-4 children, while only the dad was working.

You can't have children today because one income is not enough to support a family anymore, and of course if both parents decide to work, then nannies are also expensive + your kid grows fucked up due to neglect from their parents.

>>139949952
In an increasingly specialized and automated world Japan will benefit from importing niggers to collect welfare and commit crime.

Wow, this all makes so much sense now. Also, kys.

>>139964416
>You can't have children today because one income is not enough to support a family anymore,
Yes you can. You might not be able to have three cars and live in a mansion, but you definitely can have children and still be comfortable

Let in whites and we fuck all your women and create together superior race.

>>139963263
This.
The big secret is japanese economy is doing great for japanese.
You have to wonder about DC and New York Economic math, when all thier indicators turn out to be shit for life.
For example most of the numbers those pin heads at the finicinal times use to comment on Economic would look as good if everyone was a peasant and one king owned everything, to if 70% were middle class.
Wall Street Economics is all one big Cold War scam.
Japan is doing great, the west is just mad they won't have more babies for us to sell McDonald's to.

>>139964029
Wages haven't been rising well for the past 50 years, now you need to have both parents working just to pay the bills unless one of them has a great job.

>>139964242
But that's retarded! Your suggestion is to have more people... to take care of the more people? And what do you do 20 years later? Have even more people?

>>139964614
>one of them
Father. If you want to have a broken marriage, then sure, make your woman the bread winner.

>>139964791
Women don't even marry men with a lower status to begin with desu.

>>139960627
this
too many newfags falling for this shill
sage

>>139964614
BS. Kids are not expensive. That's a big lie,

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>>139949952
who cares about that shithole other than filthy weebs

>>139964565
Not in the US you can't, can't speak about finland.

Median wage in the US is 44k/yr, which after taxes is around 30k/yr.

If you think you can support 3-4 kids (or even 1), a wife, and yourself on 30k/yr in the US, then, well, good luck.

>>139950178
Holy shit

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>>139949952
Immigrants are not the problem, narrow minded fascist bigots are the problem

>>139949952
Why don't you go back to your own country you fat fuck english teacher

>>139959623
お前はnigger

>>139965040
So what exactly is the problem? Other than the natives, of course.

>>139949952
>(((economic))) decline
>bad

>rapid decline
why do people think japanese are dying out?
why do people equate birthrates lower than deathrates with extinction?

It's going to balance out naturally

>>139964767
>But that's retarded! Your suggestion is to have more people..

No I agree with you, that solution is retarded. Because those people will also need their social security and you will need to have exponentially expanding population to make sure the system doesn't. And of course that's practically impossible. (It's called a Ponzi scheme, when a private institution does it btw).

My solution is to get rid of all welfare, well all government to be honest, but i'll be happy with just getting rid of social security and all that crap.

>>139963851
>Yes it does. Investment comes from savings.
No, they don't, or Japan, China, and Algeria would be world centers of it, and they are not. Savings do not directly translate into investment and it's not indicative of the amount of investment happening in an economy. Real world examples of high saving countries shows this. Japan, with its 44% savings in the last 50 years shows this. You are free to show otherwise, but the argument "well, you can't invest what you don't have" is sidestepping the issue: large amounts of savings mean fuck all to the actual investment rate.

>It clearly does
I want you to do something amazing. I want you to put that data into a spreadsheet and calculate it's linear trend based upon multiple different time frames. It will blow your mind.

>Already explained that their economy is shrinking not growing ... but the same principle holds.
No, that's not an explanation, that's a conjecture. You provide no evidence to demonstrate this except stating it a total of three times now, with no actual indication of it in the behavior of consumers in Japan itself.

>But I guess since there is a "government program" to increase inflation, the inflation is probably going to decrease.
You truly are an idiot. That's the whole issue. The japanese economy is not playing ball. Despite their massive effort to force inflation to increase significantly, it hasn't. That's the whole point, and the point as to why your claim "they be hiding the real inflation" is stupid. They want the high inflation, you dolt.

>Average hours of work are up. So again, phony government statistics.
Do you even check the statistics you use to make your claims? The productivity per hours work in Japan has been increasing for over 15 years. The fact it's still very low compare to other countries aside, that statistic doesn't show what you think it shows.

Again, what the fuck are you on about?

>>139965224
system doesn't collapse*

>>139965223
>why do people equate birthrates lower than deathrates with extinction?
It just might equate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

>>139950126
if you do accept immigrants, this is what japan will look like soon
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qY9VfPym3rLP/

>>139963958
Eh, you can get as cheap rooms in hostels and such, without the space restrictions, and you really have to go low end if you want those low prices. Some capsule hotels charge 40+ dollars, while some hostels charge 20.

Like with everything, a bit of searching is always better if you want the best price.

>>139949952
GDP != standard of living
I'm sorry it took me so long to see through the (((GDP))) trick.
Try GDP per capita on for size, and Japan comes out smelling like a chrysanthemum.

>>139949952

god sage this thread already
sick of this nip
we're full

>>139949952
>t larping marine

>>139949952
Don't fall for the Jew meme. Do NOT import shitskins. Accept only those willing to fully assimilate into your culture and gene pool, and only in very moderate doses, i.e. hard-working whites, Koreans, and reformed Chinese.

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OP, Japs usually want to immigration because they think they'll one day be a White country with a japanese culture. I see that a lot in japs, they love White people aesthethically and absolutely despise them culturaly.
Usually when a jap thinks of immigration they think of some hot looking canandian THOTS who travel there for anime.

Problem is, the only immigration you're gonna get are from thirsty ass sudanese dindus. Then you'll see what immigration really looks like.

>>139965484
Bloated koreans should immigrate to the sea and die

>>139965223
GDP growth. It's better to have a million people buying a shitty car rather than ten thousand buying a good one, because the first one will result in greater gdp. This is clearly not retarded and one should do whatever it takes to make it happen.

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>>139949952
japs population are dropping because of its central banking and keynesian economic policies that have led to unbelievable amounts of inflation and debt.

japan is basically a play thing of the jews, like the USA, they are just a few years ahead in the central banking experiment.

population rise and growth has nothing to do with economic success, although there can be growth and death because of success or failure economically - this doesn't mean a small population with an even birth rate can't succeed.

this is all planned out, around 40~ years ahead of time. japan is just one of the last racially pure high iq societies that is on a hit list, and the best way to take a society like that out is to get psychopathic intellectual elites willing to sell their soul to a pseudo intellectual pursuit like Keynesian economics in order to spout seemingly complex economic and numerical theory whilst low key knowing its all bull shit to get paid for doing no actual productive labor. its all a game and an experiment.

>>139965679
This is not the best measure of success in a country, however.

>>139949952
Continuing Japan as another America sounds great! Soon the whole world will be brown and civilization will definitely continue to improve without Asian or White people.

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>>139965240
>No, they don't,

OH MY FUCKING GOD. Read a fucking economics book. I explained this so that a fucking 5th grader can understand it. Capital for investment comes from savings (i.e. when people have more money than they need), you cannot invest capital you don't fucking have. WHEN YOU HAVE MORE CAPITAL THAN YOU NEED THAT'S SOMETHING CALLED FUCKING SAVINGS.

>You provide no evidence to demonstrate this except stating it a total of three times now, with no actual indication of it in the behavior of consumers in Japan itself.

I provided inflation measured using government's own 1980s CPI. Not my fault you can't read graphs. Current CPI underestimates inflation by 2-3%.

>I want you to do something amazing. I want you to put that data into a spreadsheet and calculate it's linear trend based upon multiple different time frames. It will blow your mind.

Do you know what inflation is? No i'm serious you don't seem to understand what inflation is. SEE THE GRAPH LOOKS ALL FUCKING DIFFERENT NOW, DOESN'T IT? (and again this is inflation as measured by the CPI, which is bullshit).

>But I guess since there is a "government program" to increase inflation, the inflation is probably going to decrease.
>You truly are an idiot. That's the whole issue. The japanese economy is not playing ball. Despite their massive effort to force inflation to increase significantly, it hasn't.
>it hasn't

Hahahahaha, like fucking clockwork.

>The productivity per hours work in Japan has been increasing for over 15 years.

No i'm saying the total work hours per person is up. If what you are saying is true, then japan is even in BIGGER SHIT than already. Because if you have both productivity per hour and total work hours going up, well then that means that the people are working more for the same wage. So in real terms, the wage per productivity unit is actually going down.

>>139965001
>>>139964565 #
>Not in the US you can't, can't speak about finland.
>Median wage in the US is 44k/yr, which after taxes is around 30k/yr.
>If you think you can support 3-4 kids (or even 1), a wife, and yourself on 30k/yr in the US, then, well, good luck.
Of course you can, you just have to live in the Midwest.
You can buy really decent clothes from the goodwill for $1 and pots and pans for 2$.
You don't need cable, you don't need smart phone,

>>139965516
let them be, i already told everyone japs are ugly retarded niggers, let them self-destroy.

>>139949952
>this plot of land doesn't produce enough people, so we have to bring in more people
Is Japan an Island or a nation of people?

>>139949952
>>Accepting immigrants is bad because muh feeling.
Nobody ever said that, homosexual nip cuck.
it is bad beacase they are sucking our work's product and they will chimp out and rape you. Maybe what you want, malet degenerate cucks.

>>139965935
It's true that wages are under pressure from keynesian policies in Japan. But it would be 2x worse if wages were under pressure from feminism/multicult.
And that's just the economics side, never mind quality of life (try transit systems 'maintained' and trains 'piloted' by niggers, as in Washington, DC).

>>139965939
Dude, do you actually know a person that has kids?

Do you know how much pre school costs? Do you know how much college costs? Books? Computers for school, clothing, heating.

What college are your kids going to attend at 8k/yr?

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>>139965980
B-but, my White brother, I still feel sympathy towards the great waifu makers of yore. Do you not?

>>139949952
You are burger disguised as nip

>>139966292
Harvard and Cal State-Fresno are affordable for your median family:
http://washingtonmonthly.com/2017college-guide?ranking=2017-rankings-national-universities

>>139966240
The difference is everyone in Japan is dependent on public transport, while most people in the US aren't, and almost nobody is dependent on a public transport system paid for by the federal government.

If the run out of money for public transport, they go into a death spiral, where nobody can even got to work, and pay taxes.

>economic growth is good because muh feelings

>>139949952
Japan is overpopulated. A fewer japanese people will harm noone.

>>139966359
no, they are ugly, stupid, super degenerate and SEVERE cucks. Not to mention around 90% of their population is psycopath AKA they will try to kill us if they have power.

>>139966439
Umm... pretty sure those are tuition costs, or do you actually believe you can live in California on 8k/yr?

>>139966458
Dependent on public transport because of urban living. But you don't want the population to shrink to relieve urban living.
You still haven't discussed the GDP per capita growth rankings. Those rankings plus nominal (not PPP) median wages gives the complete picture.

>>139966584
>us
wew lad

The problem is that lots of foreign investment has gone into buying up Japanese debt and praying for their birth levels to rise and cash in on interest.

If it doesn't all they have done is created a debt bubble that the Japanese will default on.

>>139966592
Hear of roommates and ramen?

>>139949952
Japanese people can restart their economy, they already did it.
Japan without the Japanese won't be Japan.
You can restart an economy, you cannot restart an ethnic group once it's been replaced.

>>139949952
until you get to that point you'll have robots taking care of your elderly and making sure economy is fine.

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>>139966235
>>139966235
it is true that japs are, like canadians, germans and swedes, at the top of the cuck pyramid. Also true that they are manlets. But I, deep down, still wouldn't want them to become slant-eyed dindus.

I wouldn't even want dindus to vanish either(they're just not in any danger)
Why can't (((them))) just leave the population of the world alone. Why must (((they))) try to put social engineering in everything?

>>139949952
>more young people in Japan than ever before in history
>somehow the country is ruined
just send your old people into the mountains

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>>139949952

>>139966698
Government debt should be thought of as part of the money supply. Greenbacks, e.g. are just 0% federal reserve 'notes' exchangeable for new FRNs. Debt is just 3% yielding FRNs, a difference of degree not kind.
The real issue is the strength of the private sector. In the US and Japan it's plenty strong still. That's why the Argentina scenario never happens here, the private sector is too robust for that.
FRNs and government debt are in a real sense backed by the private sector as a whole. As an Austrian economics adherent, it pains me to say that a fiat scheme could be somewhat stable, but it somewhat stable in a country with a robust private sector.

>>139966653
No I don't think population size should be a factor, the only reason why it is a factor is because you have all these government programs. And the reason why you have people using public transport is because it's cheaper than having a car. But of course in reality it's not cheaper at all, public transport probably costs more per capita than owning a cheap car.

You don't think people prefer driving their own car, rather than being squeezed like tuna cans in 9am?

>You still haven't discussed the GDP per capita growth rankings.

Because the population is declining the gdp per capita is growing, what's your point? I mean if you have two numbers A/B and you decrease B, then the number A/B increases, it's not rocket science.

>>139949952
>Low birthrates is the only cause, Abenomics has nothing to do with it
Seppuku your self you yellow slit-eyed fuck, I hope your country sinks into the sea you worthless cocksucker

>>139966891
Top of the Cuck Pyramid?
The US State Department sent a Jew feminist to change Japanese family laws in the immediate post-war era. She Jewishly succeeded in getting the laws changed. Ever since, the wonderful Japanese people have ignored the (((laws))) and shunned divorce in the vast majority of cases.

>>139949952

I swear if a bunch of filthy foreigners go to glorious Nippon and rape all those QT Nips I'm going to be very cross.

>>139966682
t. gypsy white friend

>>139966891
Yeah, i used to think that, but later on i realised all the world shoudl be administrated by whites, and extinct all the other failure races. Time to evolve.

>>139967075
GDP per capita and median real wages compared internationally. Together they tell you standard of living.
You deviously are avoiding the topic of standard of living, b/c it kills your arguments dead.

>>139967384
yes, they definitely are at the cuck top. Even while not having jews, they are gay, degenerate, childish and want other races to replace them, even worse than any other nation.

>>139955379
And in a couple generations they will all be retarded. No, you need help. At least 2 of us need to go. Maybe 3 or 4.

>>139967785
Evidence pls

>>139967716
Really? Are you honestly claiming that Japan today has a higher living standard than 20-30 years ago? Really.

Wages declining.

Suicide rates up.

People working longer hours because they can't afford anything.

Not having kids because they can't afford it. There is literally a name for this in Japan, kinda like MGTOW, man never intend on getting married or having kids, but unlikely MGTOW, it's because of economic reasons.
GPD per capita is at 250% (that's the only thing preventing total societal collapse)

I already explained why gdp is bullshit, and gdp per capita is up, not my fault you can't understand 3rd grade math.

>>139949952
stay home bro

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>>139949952
>number of people go down
>demand goes down
>everything costs less
>everyone is in a better financial spot
>they can afford to have babies again

or

>we get immigrants
>average stupid nigger monkey
>demands stays high and low skilled job are basically worthless
>Public schools become even more worthless and expensive
>economy collapses and civil war erupts from the ashes
choose one of the two you squint eyes faggot

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>>139949952
Japan is overpopulated. Births are a natural cycle and will go up. Short term (((GDP))) sacrificing long term cohesion, safety, and happiness is regional suicide. NWO and communist Jews want cultural genocide to bring you into a one world government Zionists dictate. You're a shill. kys. Sage.

>>139967971
search for anime, hentai, etc. Most nips adopted that incest and gay culture, and take those kids cartoons even being 30s, and want to racemix with whites because they are intelligent enough to realise we are superior. Their millenials are this fucked up (maybe not the old people).

>>139968043
You keep mixing cultural and economic arguments.
It's true Jap women need to face facts and marry arbeito men (temp workers) rather than hold out for salarymen. They need to have more children and believe in Japan's future despite the decline of the salaryman. That's culture.
As for the economics, wages have been stagnant and gdp/capita has grown faster than US. In US wages have also been stagnant.
QED Japan's standard of living has improved faster than US in the last 25-30 years.

>>139968452
The vast, vast majority do not race-mix b/c their government keeps foreigners out. Even if they wanted to cuck, their elders have prevented it. That means that the Japs as a tribe have not cucked. Nevermind being top of cuck pyramid.
Deviant cartoons are not shown on TV to kids. Instead they get enormously wholesome Totoro, thoughtful Mononoke and inspiring Spirited Away.

>>139968043
OP started with an economics argument but still refuses to define standard of living in economic terms. I say that (non-PPP GDP)/capita is the closest match for standard of living.
OP doesn't want to talk about standard of living b/c it kills his economics argument.

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>>139950178

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>>139949952
dont you guys accept japanese descendents
i heard that some brazillian japaneses were chimping out in japan and people usually avoid htem

Stupid gook the current overpopulation around the world is not sustainable.

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>>139949952
First you are going to get nuked

Population crash + automation = economic boom
Anyone who says otherwise is a kike or a fool

>>139966292
I put two kids through college. Around $40K per year. You could probably go cheaper but not much.

>>139962655

知らなかったか?
/pol/に本物の日本人が全然居ないよ。
もちろん、俺様はもただの英語教師だ。

Is this more economics from a libertarian? I am at the point where I trust Astrology as much as economics.

>>139949952
Yes, and without boosting the economy with immigrants Japan will continue to be Japan. On the other hand, replacing the population with immigrants means Japan will inevitably stop being Japan over time.

>>139950178
>if we don't accept immigrant then there will be no poland
No, it's the opposite. By filling your country with immigrants from Arabia and Africa and India or wherever, there will be no Poland because these people will change Poland into Polandistan and that will continue as they are likely to have higher birthrates provided that Poland has the same immigrant-hugging system as other European countries (i.e. pays the bills while the immigrants breed). And all of this because of momentary economics. Muh perpetual growth.

European populations in the pat were smaller. If we move away from the spreadsheet delusion, there is no problem with smaller populations. But obviously in this time of globalism short-term economics combined with multiculturalist delusions rule everything.

>>139949952
Accepting immigrants wont make there be more japanese people. Breed or be replaced. Anyways its not like Japan matters, youre just going to be a Chinese satellite so you can commit suicide if you want

>>139949952
>we need immigrants to pay into the central banking ponzi scheme
>why cant you goys understand this

oh no, japan will go back to 19th century population levels how horrible. oh wait, theres literally nothing wrong with that and it doesnt mean doom or gloom because people are not inherently valuable in any way, shape, or form unless you count them as financial assets.

>>139949952
If your total production/economy declines, but you are less people, that's not bad. It's economy pr human being that counts. Not being "big" economy. That's how you can have a high living standard. The more people, the worse living standard.

>>139949952
Japan was overpopulated from the beginning, the decline can only do it good.