Christians...isn't Lucifer the good guy?

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At the cost of disobeyed the creator of everything single molecule?

At the cost of disobeying the directions of the person that created Lucifer and sustains reality?

>probably not a smart idea

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>>139929631
Lucifer understands and acknowledges human nature.

It's God who exterminates the world when his own flawed creations don't live up to his standards of excellence

>>139929383

my country is overrun with niggers and feminists and all kinds of ungodly faggotry. IF YOU VALUE CRITICAL THINKING THAT MUCH FUCK YOU.

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>>139929808
And whose job is it to punish those evildoers?

>>139929768
So.. don't be a fuck up and that's it.

>>139930028
God punishes evil doers not Lucifer, Lucifer is being punished as well.

>>139929383
You're a moron if you don't think lucifer is the original false flag
God knows all
He made lucifer because without temptation, moral choices have no risk and no value. For us to be truly good, instead of merely being, we have to have the option of being bad, thus free choice is needed, and lucifer becomes the instrument of that, so mankind forever associates our free will comes at the cost of a lifetime of temptation

>>139930028

Are you a christian or not? He preaches ungodliness and you are saying it's good he punishes those for it.

the fuck?

>>139930235
he tests people, and punishes those who don't deserve salvation. What's the point of the world if everyone gets a free pass?

>>139929383
Lucifer only brings knowledge. God brings wisdom. Lucifer causes us to mistake one for the other and this is what causes our downfall.

>>139930191
Paradise lost isn't canon. It's pretty much a bible fanfiction

3/5 comments are OP.

Better than a pasta I guess.

Lucifer, Biblically born, from a personally Agnostic standpoint, sounds like the authority these days...So....If you're happy - Why are you OPing?

If I'm wrong and a Christian God is what is heading our direction....prove it?
Couldn't give a fifth of a fuck what you are, With the way things are these days I'm ready to dirt nap your ass, so, what are you buying, stranger?

Poor Lucifer. Created by an omnipotent being just to shoulder all the blame (of all the other fuckups he decides to create).

The first goy.

. . . it was god that gave man free will, wasn't it?

But never the less, it's not that he cares about us, he just wants to stick it to god.

Lucifer is like a democratic politician. Gibz dat to get you on his side to further his agenda.

Shit, in my 4X games, I form defensive pacts with people all the time so others won't attack me while I attack others and conquer the map. Once I've finished conquering everyone I dont have a defensive pact with, I attack those I have one with.

>>139929383
the abrahamic religions were created by desert jews in the middle east thousands of years ago

jews are psychopathic, therefor the god they made up is psychopathic and the "devil" of said religion is of course going to be a good guy

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>>139929383
No, Jesus is the good guy. Lucifer is the bad guy. Didn't you read the Bible?

>>139931015
I read that God has a habit of wiping out entire cities, nations, and worlds whenever he feels like the people don't live up to his standards of morality

creating people imperfect, then torturing them for all eternity when they fail to measure up

>>139929383
Satan didn't convince Eve to eat the fruit of knowledge to free her. He was trying to validate his rebellion by proving that not only did the angels not need God's authority but neither did man. He was trying to imply that if a hairless monkey could rule himself then certainly angels could also. Satan was a vain, arrogant, pretty boy who wanted to create his own faction in this dimension with himself as god of this universe. In Heaven he held a high position within the hierarchy of the angels and was considered the most attractive of all of them.

13 You were in E′den, the garden of God.
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You were adorned with every precious stone
—Ruby, topaz, and jasper;
chrys′o·lite, onyx, and jade; sapphire, turquoise,+ and emerald;
And their settings and mountings were made of gold.

They were prepared on the day you were created.

>>139931015
Christianity and the story of Jesus Christ were created by members of various secret societies, mystery schools and religions in order to unify the Roman Empire under one state religion. In developing such a fabrication, this multinational cabal drew upon a multitude of myths and rituals that existed long before the Christian era, and reworked them for centuries into the religion passed down to us today. Contrary to popular belief, there was no single man who was at the genesis of Christianity; Jesus was many characters rolled into one. These characters personified the ubiquitous solar myth, and their exploits were well known, as reflected by such popular deities as Mithras, Heracles/Hercules, Dionysos and many others throughout the Roman Empire and beyond. The story of Jesus as portrayed in the Gospels is revealed to be nearly identical in detail to that of the earlier savior-gods Krishna and Horus, who for millennia preceding Christianity held great favor with the people. The Christ Conspiracy shows the Jesus character as not unique or original, not "divine revelation."

>>139929383
>>139929768
>>139930028
>reddit teir meme
>>>r/atheism

>>139930961
most intelligent post in thread
The evolution of "satan" and "lucifer" as personified concepts is quite interesting and spans a thousand years

In earlier forms of the bible lucifer was more of a loki-esque deciever than outright evil. He was arrogant, vain, rebellious, insubordinate to god, and generally wrong about shit.
He wasnt viewed as as this moustache twirling villain until the catholics needed a bogeyman to scare illiterate serfs into submission.

Theres possibly evidence that the original mythos even hinted that god would forgive and redeem satan if he would only let go of his pride and repent. More of a tragic warning of what being trapped in vanity and arrogance and ego can end up with you permanantly seperated from god.

>>139929383
>all these ameriniggers nt knowing the diference between lucifer and Satan
protestants are truly heretic

>>139931354
>actually being a mythicist
Mainstream Near Eastern religion scholars laugh at you

>>139931354
>Christianity and the story of Jesus Christ
>unify the Roman Empire
Catholics != Christian

Learn the difference, it just might save your life.

>>139931520
Does not change the fact that Jesus is a figment of imagination.

>>139931494
Lucifer is the morning star, a metaphor used in Isaiah 14 to refer to the King of Babylon
It was later misappropriated as an allegorical reference to the devil
"Satan" as an individual was retconned into earlier OT passages once he was adopted during the Persian period
git gud

Without Lucifer we'd be literal beasts.
Plus his body count is so fucking low in the Bible compared to God's and he never killed anyone for vengence, only for one experiment that God took part in as well.

>>139929768
We aren't flawed until we follow Satan. Why would you assume following Satan would reveal your, "your real nature," instead of the one that made you.


Hey did you know if you download this app you can make your iPhone waterproof?

>>139931238
Yeah, He is a God of WRATH after all. You thought he was some namby-pamby sweetness and light kind of guy who just LET IT GO when people started eating each other's poops and raping their kids?

>>139931354
>sources: none

>>139931512
>buying into middle eastern religions

I laugh at anyone who thinks Jesus actually existed. Grow up, no one is "saving" you.

>>139931494
Your dipshit mestizo pagan bastardized version of catholicism has fuckin drug runners as saints. Why the fuck should we take your view on it any more seriously?

>>139931459
It wasn't Catholics, it was protestants using revisionist history so they could argue they weren't so different from catholics.
Devils, i.e. demonic minions were uses to scare people during the middle ages far more than lucifer himself.

>>139930232
Dualistic bs. Choice was there with or without Satan. He was just the bad kid down the street we shouldn't be talking to.

>>139929383
>>139929383
>God created us to be his personal wind-up toy,

He created us in his image. To have all his qualities of love, power, wisdom, and justice. He wants us to be holy like he is holy.

>Lucifer gave us consciousness and free will

Actually, God gave us consciousness and free will. Without those Satan could do nothing with Adam and Eve.

>>139929768
>>139929768
>Lucifer understands and acknowledges human nature.

He's responsible for for "human nature." All the greed, lust, lack of self-control, violence, hatred, he is responsible for. Not knowledge. In fact, knowledge is the last thing he wants you to have because knowledge of him leads to his enemies Jesus Christ and Jehovah God.

>It's God who exterminates the world when his own flawed creations don't live up to his standards of excellence

God freely forgives flawed humans when they screw up. He exterminates humans that WILLFULLY oppose him. He gave Pharoah of Egypt MANY chances to obey him and never did. He gives everyone chances to stop their stupidity but they choose not to so he exterminates them. He has every right to do so because he created everything and all life is owned by him.

Life is a privilege not a right. You don't have the right to live.

>>139930028
There's no such thing as an afterlife. The Bible teaches no such thing.

itt: edgelords anonymous

>>139931682
Read The Christ Conspiracy, it's over 400 pages, you want me to type it out for you.

How about the entire Jesus story was stolen from Krishna with over 400 direct similarities.

>>139931682
>eating each other's poops and raping their kids?
Where exactly in the Bible does it say not to do that?

>>139931691
Mythicism is a fringe position in Biblical scholarship. Plenty of irreligious scholars acknowledge the historicity of some sort of Yeshua individual. This has nothing to do with religious belief but rather historical analysis.

>>139931648
Satan said "hey god, can I kill this guys family just to prove a point" Gods like "fuck yeah man, do er up!"

So I mean since satan only ever acts with gods permission even his bodycount is really more attributable to god anyhow.

>>139931804
>Not buying into bullshit makes someone "edgy"

no wonder people are lost

>>139931238
Yeah,, if only God worked like communism where you were forced to be good.... Oh wait.

>>139931354
http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/jesus/edgar-cayce-on-the-past-lives-of-jesus.html

unless you consider reincarnation

>>139931691
Over or under this faggot being 15 years old???

>>139931813
lmao what a tard
Even other Mythicists have disowned this pile of execrable nonsense

>>139931354
This was pretty stupid from a historical point of view. Oh look similarities, it must be some secret cabal.

Logic does not check out.

>>139931354
JDF SHILLLLLL

>>139931848
Christianity bases almost every ritual on paganism, even the trinity is an ancient Egyptian religion. Just face reality that that religion is just a control system and you've been living a lie, the sooner the better.

>>139929383
no, that was satan. lucifer was an angel god cast out of heaven because he would not bow down to humanity. satan is the one who granted intelligence to humanity.

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>>139931238
>>139931238
>creating people imperfect, then torturing them for all eternity when they fail to measure up

He didn't create imperfect people. God has spared and released imperfect people from annihilation many times. He allowed a lot of Egyptians who collaborated with Israelites in Egypt to live. He allowed Rahab and her family to live even though she was a prostitute. He allowed the entire city of Nineveh to live when they were scheduled for extermination as well. He allowed many Jews to live when Babylon came and destroyed Jerusalem. God has allowed many to be spared and continues to do so to this day.

He destroys WILLFUL sinners and opposers. Not imperfect people.

>>139929383
>Lucifer gave us consciousness and free will
Without free will man never would have chosen to go against G-d's wishes and eat from the tree of knowledge

>>139931886
That's not strictly true.
Lucifer's big Prometheus debut in the form of a snake definitely wasn't kosher. That's why God cursed all snakes, because apparently Satan likes snakes...actually....why the fuck did God curse all snakes if the talking snake was meant to be Satan? Why not just curse Satan?

>>139929383
"Lucifer" isn't a real thing in Christianity. It's the Latin translation of Morning Star, a mocking epithet used in an oracle against a Babylonian king. Everything about the fallen rebellious angel, better to rule in hell than serve in heaven, all that came later.

If you're posting a meme from Mike Carey's Lucifer, I'm sure you've read Sandman and you know what Lucifer said to Cain about Milton.

>>139932035
yes religion is a control system. because people are fucking evil when left to their devices you kike

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>>139931813
http://www.truthbeknown.com/christ.htm

Wow, "Acharya S" found a bunch of similarities between Jesus and Krishna? really vibrates my vittles

>>139931815
what do you think was goin' on in Sodom and Gommorhoha man? poop everywhere

>>139931977
I have a feeling your the teenage faggot with muh love Jesus faggotry. Only a mental midget could be that cucked.

>>139931797
Not bad, id belive in that

>>139931804
Normie get out

>>139931986
Jesus Christ and Lord Krishna.

Analyze this

Both are believed to be sons of God since they were divinely conceived
The birth of both Jesus of Nazareth and Krishna of Dwarka and their God-designed missions were foretold
Both were born in unusual places — Christ in a lowly manger and Krishna in a prison cell
Both were divinely saved from death pronouncements
Evil forces pursued both Christ and Krishna in vain
Christ is often depicted as a shepherd; Krishna was a cowherd
Both appeared at a critical time when their respective countries were in a torpid state
Both died of wounds caused by sharp weapons — Christ by nails and Krishna by an arrow
The teachings of both are very similar — both emphasize love and peace
Krishna was often shown as having a dark blue complexion — a color close to that of Christ Consciousness
SIMILARITY IN NAMES
Christ comes from the Greek word 'Christos', which means "the anointed one". Again, the word 'Krishna' in Greek is the same as 'Christos'.

>>139932132
Whole lotta Sodomy and Gommorhohay.
The latter was so super duper bad we don't even know what it was now.
Zero mention of eating poo poo though.

>>139932035
Most archetypes you find in organized religion are going to be repeated because humans have a shared biology and the struggle for life is similar across the world
Groups of three, shedding of blood, breaking of bread, imaginings about where your consciousness goes after death, all can be found in any advanced people
Religion itself co-evolved with humanity and is more of a help than a hindrance, it ensures group cohesion and tribal survival

>>139929383
If they're is a Creator, then the meaning of life is to obey Him. The purpose of a tool is whatever it's Maker wills for it. They are judged on how well they live up to His expectations.

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Join the great rebellion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C0PvdPxv-w

>>139929383

>Be Jesus
>The son
>Have 12 disciples
>Born on the winter solstice
>People worship you even though you are just a calender

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Religion is for cucks and good goys. Prove me wrong

>>139932132
Jesus wasn't real, you have been living a lie.
Where is Jesus then? Waiting for another kid to die of cancer. Where is this magic faggot then?

Heres the best rationale I have heard for it:
>god created man so something with free will could admire the rest of his creation
>god knew humanity was in its infancy and created the garden of eden so that humanity had a place to find its feet
>he made them immortal, innocent and pure so that they could live there more easily
>he also left them with the choice to choose total free will on thier own
>once they matured enough and chose it he didnt really punish or curse us so much as impose reasonable limits on our abilities
>imagine a world where not only do people like stalin, mao, or hillary clinton not only live forever but CANT DIE
>Imagine the utter decadent and lazy navel-gazing if humanity never got hungry, tired, never faced or overcame challenges

God didnt curse us with mortality, he limited the damage a shithead could do to a single lifetime and gave us challenges, trials, tribulations and sorrows to overcome so that we might improve and progress forward instead of just floating along for eternity in an idiotic bovine stupor.

>>139929383
>Lucifer gave us consciousness and free will

No he didn't that was God. And you mistakenly confuse a character from the story of Job (jobe), with the serpent from eden which is specifically stated to be an animal.

Most people get their ideas about "lucifer" from Milton and Hollywood movies, not from the Torah / Bible.

>>139932359
What's your ideology?

>>139932255
that's just fucking embarrassing
literally zeitgeist-tier

>>139929383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rlmNung7gk

>>139932359
Modern religion is for weak minded losers who crave mind control.

>>139932389
Easy there bro. The fedora and katana dont need to come out. If it makes you feel better imagine we are discussing the meaning of some kind of mythos or lore to some fantasy story.

>>139929383
>critical thinking
>don't eat this you'll die
>eats it and dies
You were saying?
>but but he said we wouldn't die :(

>>139932423
Refute the facts then.
You have ZERO proof Jesus existed except "hurr durr it's in this book" .

Weak.

>>139932390
That's an interesting theory but why would we care if all the tyrants lived forever if we also lived forever?
Not many tyrants die of old age, most are deposed eventually.

>>139932534
Nope. Many historians. Go worship some cacti or other objects such as yourself perhaps

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>>139932405
Prove me wrong

>>139929383
Well god created lucifer,
/thread

>>139932472
>mind control
Without religion, people take drugs and refuse to wait until marriage. They don't even have children. Atheism is responsible for current state of things.

>>139932584
Historians??????
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>139932613
Gross.

>>139932614
>Adam and Eve are still living!
>this is critical thinking!
So fucking retarded

>>139930407
>Paradise lost isn't canon. It's pretty much a bible fanfiction
Revelation specifically states he'll be cast into the lake of fire

>>139932614
You guys are missing the big picture.
Who created God?
Super God, that's who.
If you're not praying to Super God, you're a literal cuck.

>>139932648
Yeah. Herstorians for you

>>139932629
You don't need religion to lead a moral life dummy.
Modern religion is nothing but politics and money raising for those elites.

>>139932686
Nobody did you pervert. Did you create electricity? No. Do you even understand it? No. Can you see or touch it. Maybe. But no

>>139932255
Both Christianity and Hinduism come from the same origin story. Though it is very true, the story is many years older. Civilization has been reset several times it is hard to give a time frame. Jews and Muslims worship Lucifer .

>>139932699
Not my fault you live a life of degeneracy and disappoint your family every waking moment.

>>139932735
>ID is "super cereal"

>12+ posts of utter faggotry
>on a Friday night
>on a Nigerian glass-blowing forum

>>139932795
Go make a pissbed in the corner you already just shat all over the floor

>>139932758
Super God created electricity, duh.

>>139932781
What? The Krishna story predates Jesus by over 2000 years.

>>139932735
You need a concrete ideology on which to base your actions. Otherwise you worship pleasure and run from pain.

>>139929383
He's essentially a remake of Prometheus from Greek mythology
>Human appear, slowly advancing and discovering fire
>Zeus takes fire away, wants humanity to be dependent on Olympian gods
>Humans cold and miserable, worship Olympian gods for survival
>Prometheus feels sorry, gives fire to humans
>Also teaches them math, science and medicine
>Zeus pissed off, punishes him for betrayal
>Chained to a rock and eaten by birds in a never-ending hell
>Humanity also punished by Zeus through sending a woman (Pandora) to plague man with her insanity

Lucifer was cast out of the heaven to hell for rebelling against God. Lots of parallels with Adam and Eve along with forbidden knowledge. "Lucifer" is literally "light bringing" in Latin.

>>139929383
No, as your pic suggests, we could be living in one giant nudist colony. The goddam snake fucked it all up.

>>139932686
T. richard dawkins
god is eternal.
>>139932666
it was a joke, as always the fag has a stick up his ass

>>139932842
Keep diggin that hole

>>139932871
Im reiterating you fucking clown. You half a faggot lying freak

>>139932835
Awww little faggot mad now?
Go spend your time not making children you mentally ill defect.

>>139932871
God may be eternal.
Super God is Super Eternal though.

>>139931238
Well he did curse the jews for messing up every single time. Look at them now no longer the chosen and still up to nefarious shit.

>>139932534
Yeshua and people associated with him are attested in several extrabiblical works. While historians generally agree on his existence, it does not follow then that we know who he actually was or what he did in his life, as the Gospels were all written at least secondhand, not by eyewitnesses, or within his lifetime for that matter.

It's parsimonious really, as John the Baptist is mentioned by Josephus and Simon bar Kochba is also attested independently, and these men (and others besides) were all messiah wannabes who were executed by the state. Yeshua was just one of many.

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>>139929383
>his personal wind up toy
>lucifer gave us free will

And yet, look what we have become...

>>139932855
Maybe a simple minded person like you would.
Some people don't need a control system to run their minds.

>>139932566
Imagine a leader like caligula or nero who can never die. You piss him off on accident and are sentenced to be tossed intk a pit to be tortured and tormented. But you can never die. There is literally no physical or temporal limit to how much pain and torment you can suffer. You are this mad man's plaything for eternity or until somebody stops him.

And eternity is a long, LONG time. No matter how many times he was stopped he would escape and come to power again and again an infinite number of times. You would escape, live, prosper, heal, then be recaptured and retormented an infinite number of times by an infinite number of lunatics for eternity.

Life in a universe without mortality in which beings posess the same capacity for evil we do now would be pure and utter terror.

Death can be a gift to a man in a torture dungeon, it can be a gift to humanity once a psychopathic tyrant finally passes.

>>139932937
It's ok that's what your kids are for, no? Fuggen grab em. You don't understand SHIT. Im gone. Take a truvada and have it not work and down it with a glass of vaginal protozoa. Stupid freudian weak punk ass pharisee bitch. Go ask your mom why youre "jewish" again or maybe if you can start an egyptian frog or fertility cult. Mmmmmkay? Fuck you

>>139932862
Maybe that's because it's true? Why do distant civilizations that only recently created written language have such intricately simular creation stories?

>>139933036
>Imagine a leader like caligula or nero who can never die. You piss him off on accident and are sentenced to be tossed intk a pit to be tortured and tormented. But you can never die. There is literally no physical or temporal limit to how much pain and torment you can suffer. You are this mad man's plaything for eternity or until somebody stops him.
Christianity?

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>>139929383
>OP gets BTFO for his retarded middle school level thread
>posts weeaboo trash
Gay as fuck please get the fuck off of /pol/, read some books and come back when you're above the age of 18. Also read Paradise Lost before you want to talk God/Satan/Man morality, and make sure you ask your mom for permission to use the WiFi to make a post next time!

>>139933067
Hmmm? They don't. "Lucifer" is a medieval meme that has no basis in the OT

>>139933012
It's okay if you use it like shintoism, all that matters is the commandments.

>>139929383
No,he's the bad guy

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>>139932944
that's a great meme anon, I bet you'd like this one be sure to upvote it :^)

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>>139932849
I was not alive then, I can not confirm or deny either. What I'm saying is, both stories are speaking about the same living being. When this person actually existed, I have no idea. Names and time periods within both texts are changed to fit within when the books were written. Just like if I told a story to my son, I could use names of people he may know to help him understand. Same thing applies here. Both stories actually happened (same story), just a bit different.

>>139932948
Jesus is a composite character, and you cannot prove otherwise.
Christianity is a load of shit and is used by your priest class elites to control societies minds.

Turn the other cheek? Yeah, no thanks.

>>139933292
Youre an animal

>>139932985
Lucifer did not give us shit except pedophile nobles.

>>139931354
>gaytheist copypasta
Look out for it, it's in multiple threads already. Nothing is more relentless than an hysterical queer against something that makes him feel bad about cock

>>139929383
if God didnt give Eve free will she wouldnt have been able to eay the fruit in the firdt place

>>139931354
Bullshit. I almost believed this at one point but as I further studied I realized this was the deception.

>>139933346
>denies religion
>makes little points or observations on the figures

According to you what is considered good ? under what moral standards are you judging the character of Satan ?

Judging by your logic you consider someone "good" if they tell you that you can live your life how you want and do whatever the hell you see fit but in reality that is the worse thing you can tell somebody because in reality we need moral standards, rules, authorities etc in order to live a life of structure. Living a life free of structure is chaotic.

In your mind you view Authority as a bad thing because you don't understand the essential function and role of a property authority, God created the Earth and everything in it and he expects man to follow his absolute morals and commandments in order to live a fulfilling life, but before doing so we have to accept Jesus Christ has our Lord and Savior in order to achieve salvation from Hell because we are all sinners condemned because of what Adam did in the garden.

God gave man free-will because if he didn't then why did he instruct Adam and eve to not eat the fruit of the tree ?:

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:16-17

If you say that God created man with no free will then how was Eve able to be deceived by Satan ?, she made a choice, without free-will you don't have the ability to choose or decide so it would have been impossible for Satan to deceive the both of them.

Satan despises humanity and his primary means of destroying humanity is to lie and deceive and apparently he's doing a great job deceiving a retard like you:

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44

>>139933338
Your the one participating in degeneracy, probably beastiality.

>>139933380
Free will doesnt exist

>>139931797
>Exterminates them
If God were omniscient, he would be smart enough to just delete said souls instead of torturing them
Also, he wouldn't simulate a universe if he already knew each and every possible outcome since there would be no real reason to, unless he himself was subjected to his own desire, something that Christians claim God didn't have
God BTFO

>>139933210
I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings bruh.
It's just that God only has control over this one pitiful reality. I mean it's nice and all don't get me wrong, I live here. But Super God has Super Omnipotence. Regular God just can't compete.

>>139933292
The New Testament is one of the most red pilled, antisemitic books in existence. It teaches good live values and in no way controls me and I live by it.

>>139933416
Finklestein cancer of this board

>>139932159
>>139932159
>Not bad, id belive in that

In what specifically?

>>139933394
I called modern religion as nothing more than a system of control.
And that Jesus never existed.
I hope you continue with your mind control though, it will please me.

>>139930320
it is not God who tests (tempts) people.

>>139929631
oh god your mythology is so fucking retarded
>dude god created all the laws of physics and every single atom and molecule and it was all to put a naked dude and dudette in a tiny garden and tell them not to eat a fig
you people are such a joke

>>139933543
You bob for bagels with your hooknose

>>139933380
Yep

The fruit of the tree wasn't even free will. It was the knowledge of life and death.

The serpent said if you eat it surely you will not die, but he was a liar, because the second the two ate of the fruit they lost their immortality. Adam is said to have lived for 800 years, but that's nothing in the face of an immortal life span. That's nothing but the blink of an eye

Luciferians get their ideas mostly from Hollywood movies, and are sadly deluded people.

>>139929383
This is literally Baby's First Moral Question, and you are failing.

The entire point of non-Gods is that they are not God. They are a corruption; degenerate; inferior; unworthy.

Aligning with the One God is the only real answer to life and its questions. Embracing demonic figures guarantees your soul a lesser, more inferior place in the universe when the blessing of basic truth is always in front of us all.

>>139933473
If you need a book to teach you how to be a moral person than you are fucking moronic.
You believe in a magical jew ffs.

>>139933609
It was no knowledge. It was the seed of another species

>>139931267
>angels disobeyed god

Good larping here. It's obvious that god cannot be disobeyed. And...

>the bible doesn't name lucifer as the snake in the garden.

Plot thickens

>>139933650
You clearly haven't read any of these books. You're either trolling or you're sincerely deluded by space religion nonsense.

>>139929383
Lucifer was God's favorite angel. Read the scripture.

>>139931238
not a single godly person was in those cities
do you think he did that joyfully?
the worst part of hell is being apart from God. it is impossible to know that feeling as God is with us right now. i'm sure it isn't a good feeling.

>>139933442
>f God were omniscient, he would be smart enough to just delete said souls instead of torturing them

That's actually what he does. The Bible doesn't teach that "souls" are immaterial immortal things. The Bible teaches that humans and animals ARE souls, not that they have them. When a human dies their death is as significant as that of an animal. Remember what he told Adam "From the ground you came to the ground you go." There is no such thing as an afterlife nor an immortal soul. God does actually "delete" people from existence.

>>139933442
>Also, he wouldn't simulate a universe if he already knew each and every possible outcome

He uses his ability of foreknowledge SELECTIVELY. Not all the time. That's why he didn't know Adam and Eve were going to rebel. That's why he didn't even know that one of his own sons was going to turn into Satan. Even though he created Satan before the Universe. He only uses it selectively so as to respect the free will of his higher intelligent creations.

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>personal wind-up toy
Satan is Lucifer in his fallen state. Once the "Light bringer" and now dia-bolic, the destroyer, cursed by God for his hatred of mankind. Lucifer no longer exists, Satan does. And his threads are always activated when Christian ones are found here well supported

>>139933589
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>>139932916
>>>139932871
>Im reiterating you fucking clown. You half a faggot lying freak

Why do fAggots always have to have some kind of stick up their ass. Like you can take a dick but not a joke? Quit being so intolerant

>>139933693
Bible says after they ate of it that if they then ate of tree of life they'd live forever. God probably doesn't want us ignorant. So what is wrong with knowledgeable people who live forever? Oops. Nothing that enters the mouth defiles but what comes out of it. If it were a seed (fruits have seeds maybe be fruitful means to do good) then that would all make sense. God probably couldn't have that. Also read the passage on the 144K. You anthropomorphise too much

>>139933769
Interesting, that.

>>139933640
Ah yes. The typical "King of the Jews" "Christcuck" "Nice Jesus" meme.

>>139933826
Get this man some bagged vaginas. Stat!

>>139933882
>his death shall be on our children
>gets blown out for 6000 years, never listens, still makes fun and prefers females and political warrior messiahs
Ribbit
>a medieval and probably Biblical symbol for Lucifer

>>139930028
In the bible, lucifer is cast oit of heaven, and hell is a cold place devoid of the warmth of god. The "satan is the leader of fire and brimestone hell" was an idea popularized by the renaissance because it made art look way better.

>>139933692
>Plot thickens

Rev 12:9
>"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world..."

>>139929383
Adam and Eve had consciousness and freewill you retard

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>Be Jesus
>Dab on the haters
>Haters turn you into a shitty kite

Such is the history of Christendom. A grand and glorious tradition

>>139933769
true pol/acks and real polacks are athiests.

>>139934330
lmao right, that's how they chose to eat the apple in the first place

>>139933096
Assuming 2 things:
If god exists
And if he intentionally created us as rational sentient beings with free choice so that we can observe and enjoy his universe

Then its my belief hes actually one smart fucker. Without mortality things would become a hellraiser style fucking nightmare pretty quickly.

If we were just eternally happy and innocent we wouldnt really posess sentience, we'd just be hymn singing meat robots.

Without evil our better nature couldnt triumph. We learn more and more about our existence and the nature of the universe and ourselves from every obstacle we overcome.

Over millinia of hardship and victory we have reached a point where we are beginning to look into the nature of the universe on every scale from the tiniest particles to the incredible vastness of space.

I think this pleases him greatly and that we are slowly but surely progressing towards a point where we earn back our immortality. But only once weve managed to master the duality within us.

In that way god gets the sentient audience capable of free will he desires without the endless madness and depravity that immortality granted too early would bring.

I think we're just getting ready to transcend to something better but arent ready yet. Its a painful growing process but its forging and honing us for something better.

>if he's all powerful he could have just created us in that state to begin with

Those are angels, but they are actually subordinate to humanity in that they do not posess free thought and never earned thier place. God wanted a creation that could determine its own path and improve itself, he wants to have created something he can be proud of for having gotten to his level by itself.

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>>139929383
The story is meant to illustrate that if you pursue knowledge, you will not be able to go back to a in innocent state.

The serpent brings wisdom, but wisdom brings suffering.

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>>139930028
He doesn't punish anyone you fucking retard. Stop falling for memes and read your Bible.

>>139934437
Do we know everything right now? No. Why not? Why "Adam's 'apple'"? Adam wasn't deceived and did not trangress yet he took on her sin. With his dick, bro

>>139934410
My point was that your hellish nightmare where an immortal tyrant can choose to torture you for eternity if you defy him is the reality of choice for Christians.
You and God are both eternal. God has total power over what will happen to you for eternity. That's the same as Nero and you both being eternal, only difference being God is presumably smarter and more justified, not that it'll matter to you if you accidentally piss him off.

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>>139934398
This is a Christian board. Friendly reminder that fedora's are traitors to western civilization.

>>139934437
Ecclesiastes 1:18, you are a wise man indeed.

>>139931238
Knowing this, have you thought to reflect where you might fall in His plans?

Your belief has ZERO effect on anything outside of your destination. God does not need you to like or agree with Him. You do, however, need God to like or agree with you.

That is not where you are right now. Jesus died for your sins and offers you a free pardon. You may refuse the pardon. ALL have sinned. ALL sin leads to death...eternal separation from God on the spiritual end. You are the one who will suffer for your stubborn refusal to accept Jesus Christ, Son of God & Messiah of the Jews, who died for your sins, was buried, and rose again according to prophecy.

God loves you enough to die for you. He is just enough to allow you to pay the price for your sin if you refuse His pardon.

This abomination of a world will be fixed because God hates it. If you stand in His way, he will break you. You will burn. You will be forever banished from God's presence and of all those you knew who trusted Him.

You will spend eternity away from grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, friends, and anyone else you know who has the least bit of common sense.

The time is running out. You have about three weeks to accept the pardon. After that, you'll be lucky to survive long enough to consider the matter.

Seven years later, the King comes back and all will take a knee, either out of submission or from having their kneecaps broken.

Repent or burn, Anons! The end is nigh! Praise the Lord, the end is nigh!

>>139934631
Ummm excuse me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T309iwSVwTA

>>139933589
As compared to eastern vagueness, obscurity and hollow mysticism?

>life is but a meaningless dream within a dream, we are but cherry petals on the surface of a lake, smelling of rice and soon devoured by fish

Boom. I just started your typical meaningless zen buddhist holy text that rich entitled white girls can read to pretend theyre deep and complex.

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>>139932629
>Atheism is responsible for current state of things.
I smell a jew.

>>139934528
Gen 3:6
>"...she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

>it's called an Adam's apple because men have them and women don't. If women had adams apples,they'd be called eve's apples

>>139934437
>The Red Pill brings wisdom, but wisdom brings suffering.
Now we going full circle cause we're all in this hell already, our paradise was lost.

>>139932629
>refuse to wait until marriage
That's good.

>>139934632
A real man doesn't shrug off his convictions out of fear. That's what a slave does.

>>139934871
Women do have them. An apple a day stupid goyim. Happy as a clam etc etc. What fruit do you know of that ever does anything like that? Why cast the serpent onto belly? After they did it you'd think they would have covered their mouths or rubbed their temples. Nope. Covered their tits
>who told you you were naked?
>yeah this is all knowledge stuff

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>>139934691
>Christians are weak cucks
>Christians are conquering meanies

>Burning of Alexandria had three other more likely causes
>jump the gun to blame Christians
>not even the whole thing could've possibly been burned down

>>139931813
Read the Bible. It is slightly more than 400 pages. If you have swallowed too much scientistic crap already, try Cosmic Codes by Chuck Missler first.

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>>139934923
Sure it is kike

>>139935023
Only woman I've dated that had an adam's apple was going hard on testosterone drugs.
So quit your fuckin lying.

>>139931813
>How about the entire Jesus story was stolen from Krishna with over 400 direct similarities.
Holy shit you're a fucking retard
https://youtu.be/A6vtA5O5Ako

>>139934615
(Explanation is from my particular backwoods sect of protestantism)

Well the idea of free choice exists, in fact its a pretty central tenant of christianity. God didnt prepare hell for humanity. He prepared it for satan and his followers, people who choose to follow satan are choosing to go there.

The idea that farting in church and not confessing or failing to obtain (aka pay for) a proper burial could accidentally land you in hell was a catholic fabrication not really supported in the bible at all.

Which is a big reason why the protestants happened. The idea is that you choose who you obey and god basically says "aight, come on up" when you die if you choose him.

You can be infiniteley forgiven by god as long as you choose to follow him but you obviously shouldnt abuse the privledge. As a rational human being you should just naturally try to do right as often as possible and just be honest and repentant when you fail.

Hell is literally only for people who choose to go there.

>>139935136
Nope. Also Genesis says all the fruits were good. And were food. Except for one. But for a variety of reasons the woman tumbled down a hill. Marriage is what changed her from help meet to wife due to Adam being a cuck. But it doesn't exist anywhere else and doesn't apply to born eunuchs and to others

>>139935023
>Women do have them
>"same as men dontcha know, it's just the way they poke out you can tell, hurrrr"

>"who told you you were naked?"
>biggest theological problem is having to cover your privates for common and basic decency

>>139929383
>implying free will and conciseness are gifts

>>139935239
My replies kinda freak me out. You know. On a deep and gutteral level? Yours sound like second grade book reports

Do you believe the (((Old Testament)))?

>>139931813
At no point does Krishna tell people to stop trusting Jews. Nor does he ever whip the shit out of Jews. Nor did he shepherd people away from the poisoned Jew wells which spread the sickness.
Nigga Jesus was literally 400 pages of the history and rise to power of Adolf Hitler.

>>139935083
Sure buddy, waiting until your 40 to have kids is TOTALLY good

>>139935227
>Also Genesis says all the fruits were good. And were food. Except for one.

W R O N G !

The fruit from the tree of life as well as the tree of knowledge, being in Eden.

>But for a variety of reasons the woman tumbled down a hill. Marriage is what changed her from help meet to wife due to Adam being a cuck. But it doesn't exist anywhere else and doesn't apply to born eunuchs and to others

What the actual fuck are you trying to say here? Are you a pissed of femi-virgin?

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>>139934528
>Do we know everything right now? No. Why not?
The knowledge that the serpent presented was not some magic "know everything" pill, it was just symbolic of man no longer being savage.

You see niggers in the jungle and natives in the rainforest still exist in a "garden of eden" state. They don't farm, they don't wear clothes, they don't worry about the things that the civilized man must worry about. They are basically animals.

In this animal like ignorance, there is a bliss that the educated / civilized man will never know.

However, once you are civilized, you can't really go back to being happy wallowing in your own shit.


>Why "Adam's 'apple'"?
The fruit of the knowledge of good is traditionally thought of as an apple, but this is not something put fourth in any of the Genesis text.

>Adam wasn't deceived and did not trangress yet he took on her sin
Adam wanted to blame God on a technicality, Adam wanted to taste a fruit and then go back to not having tasted it.

Think of Cypher wanting to be put back in the matrix, the taste of knowledge wasn't what he thought it would be. He might of thought something like you and you're magic know all pill.

In reality, all it meant is now Adam knew how shity his situation of living like a animal was.

In reality God, Adam, Eve and the Serpent are all just one character having an internal struggle.

God being the desire to do good, eve representing lust for more, and the serpent repenting man's ability to reason. Adam of rouse was the man torn between being a savage and being civilized, and dealing with the consequences.

>>139932389
>suffering exists therefore jesus never existed
do all atheists have learning disabilities?

>>139935299
I don't know what you're trying to say. It's just not getting through. You obviously don't know anything about the Bible, but trust me, you're fully qualified to keep making shit up and looking like a fool on an anonymous message board.

>>139935206
Yeah but you might not agree with everything God thinks is right and as such, you won't be able to repent honestly.
Similarly to your tyrant examples, if the law says something dumb like "don't smoke this leaf" and you like smoking that leaf, you're going to resent the law giver and if he could somehow know you're not actually sorry, you could very well go to hell since your apology is not sincere.
I mean it's all well and good if you just simply choose not to be punished but what if you disagree with 90% of the tyrant's laws? You'll still obey out of fear. Which I contend isn't much different than Immortal Nero and not an eternity I'd choose.

>>139935414
>You can't get married until you're 40

>>139935445
You're not on my level and I already said God had an objection to their eating of tree of life after we already established they partook of poisonous tree but you lied about it and ad hommed
So think deeper and better. I'm switching threads now
>>139935453
He kicked them out. Cursed their reproduction and womb. Made man toil the soil. But yeah. It was a dindu nuffin muffin

>>139935227
I ain't fuckin talklin about fuckin bible books shit I aint never fuckin read em Im fuckin lazy.
but what the fuck does this mean.
>Marriage is what changed her from help meet to wife
Them hormone replacement therapy drugs fuckin with yo head more than my smoking.

>>139935559
Ok Ollie. At least you tried. What did we tell you, in particular, about trying?

>>139935683
Stop crying

>>139934922
>>139934631
>>139934922
>Now we going full circle cause we're all in this hell already, our paradise was lost.

But what was our paradise?

Most forms of paradise can only exist in an ignorant state.

Wether it's 1930-1950's America, or the Garden of Eden.

Awareness brings the suffering.

White rich liberals who live in million dollar 1 bedroom apartments who's only interaction with ethnic minorities is with a chauffeur or waiter still think things are as good as they were in the 1950's and see us all as evil serpents.

We really are, we want to tear down their world.

We want them to eat our fruit of knowledge.

The red pill.

>>139929383
> sees immortal, eternal love
> tries to ruin it

>>139935655
>He kicked them out. Cursed their reproduction and womb. Made man toil the soil. But yeah. It was a dindu nuffin muffin

God didn't kick anyone out. God in this story is Adam's higher mind, the part of his mind that made him "one with nature". A sort of enlightened ignorance.

The enlightened ignorance couldn't exist where Adams's other half was lusting for knowledge.

Once adam had the knowledge, being in "the garden", wasn't possible.

>>139935609
God doesnt really ask all that much though. He basically just asks that you try not to be all that terrible of a shithead.

>dont rape
>dont steal
>dont murder
>dont worship false gods
>dont fuck other guys wives
>dont talk shit to him
>dont be a greedy jealous asshole

Its all pretty basic shit that comes with being a healthy regular human, and when you fuck it up you can apologise. Its not exactly like hes demanding your left testicle and a quart of tears.

In sanskrit, the world's first established written language, Satan translates from sat (short for satya) meaning Truth, and an (short for ananta) meaning Eternal or Infinite. Now Lucifer is said to be the light bringer. Why is it that in every single mythology the archetype of Light is one associated with positive things such as truth, cosmic higher consciousness etc. BUT in Hebrew the bringer of Light is supposedly the epitome of evil. It's only the kike religions that do this, and let me remind you that sanskrit is thousands of years older than Hebrew. Satan translates to Eternal Truth in sanskrit, but it translates to "enemy" in Hebrew... you fucking christfaggots believe in the shittiest hand me down book of lies. Literally. History doesn't lie but people with weak arguments do. That's abrahamic religion, all 3 of them; Trite. Not a single thing in the bible, Torah or Quran is original even for it's time. Again, history doesn't lie. Paralleles and identical qualities of every major defining element to those ""holy"" books pre-existed already in cultures and lands nearby and within where Abraham traveled during his life, as according to what religiousfags say is cresible to that end. Abraham was full of shit and anybody who follows the religions based on him are intellectually retarded & dishonest.

>>139935655
>doesn't know that the tree of life is equally as forbidden as the tree of knowledge
>doesn't know the biological differences between men and women
>probably femi-virgin
>realized they lost the argument
>flees the scene after getting called out
>few of their sentences are coherent
>blames God for being able to work, but probably blames men for not letting women work for most of their history

>God punishes disobediences
>God actually tells people not to fuck up
>people fuck up anyways
>astounded by consequences

I couldn't imagine being the person at this keyboard.

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>>139929383
wtf I love satan now!

>>139935743
Shut up and read Paradise Lost. It will help you answer this question.
>But what was our paradise?

>>139935867
Well that depends on who you ask.
If you just assume God is super laid back, yeah you're fine.
If it's OT God? You better be on your toes.
And why wouldn't you be careful just in case?
That means you have to avoid mixing fabrics, eat kosher foods, cut off baby dick skins, don't go near women on their period, kill people who work on sundays.
If it's OT God no one goes to heaven.

>>139935868
Oh and another thing that doesn't lie: science.

Carbon is the building block of all life as we know it. No life exists that isn't carbon based. Carbon elements have an atomic number of 6. Every carbon element has 6 neutrons, 6 protons, and 6 electrons. 666 suck my dick. Jesus is a lie and Satan is literally the Truth Eternal. Fact check it you pussy nonbelievers

>>139932389

Check Antiquity and some other guys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

When you close the Hentai in the other browser, you are free to apologize and start living your life.

>>139936179
Fun Fact: 666 is the devil's number because it adds up to 18 which adds up to 9, which is the most egotistical number.
You see, any number divisible by 9 adds up to 9.
9x9=81, 8+1=9
9x8=72, 7+2=9
Like they say, the devil's in the details.

>>139936179
Atoms*
Not elements. Carbon is an element. I'm tired

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>>139935918
Read this book a long time ago, is a pretty edge lord fanfic and doesn't really have anything to do with the heeb text or Christianity.

>>139935912
so is this satanist gf? or... transhumanist gf?

>>139932735
>You don't need religion to lead a moral life
No but many people need it as a foundation or blueprint for a moral life

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>>139936179

>>139936343
Autism.

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>>139935081
>read fan-fiction of fan-fiction
>scientistic
i remember a time when a troll was good at what he does, now any faggot with a smart juicer can be a based retard

>>139936343
You've proven nonsense. Congrats on nothing. Satan means Truth Eternal in Sanskrit, a language thiusands of years older than Hebrew. Every carbon atom has 6 neutrons, 6 protons and 6 electrons. 666 is not evil and Satan is not a spooky invisible devil. Jesus is the world's biggest lie

>>139936169
Theres a pretty specific part of the bible in which god declares all the old testament stuff is bullshit.

If you read the old testament its about god trying to help the jews not get picked on so much and them being such annoying fuckups that he says fuck it and abandons them.

He saves isreal like a dozen times and each time they fall into idol worship, greed and usury, and try to invent ways to get to heaven on technicality.

>>139936473
We're in a thread about the morality of a shiny angel vs the morality of a semite on a stick.
Probably one of thousands today and billions since the invention of the internet.
We're all autism here.

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Lucifer is symbolic of will. Will severed from purity of purpose (God) becomes a force of chaos.

>>139936502
>sanskrit is juicy details
>poison your credibility by sperging about carbon

wow

>>139936169
Exactly. The point of the law was to convict mankind. No one has ever successfully followed the law. All of the saved have always been saved by faith, both old and New Testaments.

When Jesus spoke to the church of Laodicea about being hot or cold, he was referring to faith and law. He'd rather someone either be faithful or perfectly follow the law, not trying to mix the two as they see fit. The catch is, no mere mortal can follow the law. Jesus was the only sinless one, therefore faith in Him is the only way out.

>>139936601
Christian/jewish god is not pure. If he were then he wouldn't get jealous. That's a quality which implies immaturity and lack of self control. Yahweh is a carbon copy knock off of a pre existing Canaanite god-of-gods (aka the sky god with a long white beard and flowing robes etc.) called El. It's no coincidence that the name of that god is at the end of the Jewish capitol city. Abraham stole the ideas and created a dishonest religion around it

>>139936598
>thinks discussing morality is autistic
>itself more autism making anon self evidently correct
>can't even argue if he keeps his autism levels high

>>139929383
no

I raise my fist in blasphemy, with the sign of the horns, in praise of the rebel angel.
Who stood proud, stood strong, alone, against God.
Cast out, thrown down. Hated, feared and left to die.

>>139936681
All I've done is provide empirical facts. I'm not the sperg who overreacts to things that are just objectively true.

Didn't God allow Satin to live thus providing free will? Makes you think...

>>139936179
wow, just wow ha

>>139936911
>defends weakest point
>the point he emphasized the most
>somehow not a massive sperg
>no sources for sanskrit

>>139934524
This. Also with free will people chose to go down that path.

>>139936910
>Cast out, thrown down. Hated, feared and left to die.
You know what, that's a really compelling argument for Satanism.
How is that not Humanity as well if you believe in the Bible?

>>139929383
>free will
>after the fall
pick one
>>139929768
>Lucifer understands and acknowledges human nature.
he corrupted human nature. we wuz aligned with god. now we are slaves of sin

>>139936601
Chaos...hmm...where have we heard that before?

>>139937102
Lucifer is the the great manipulator.

>>139937158
>trusting a post-modernist comic book for theological advice

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>>139937158
Did somebody say CHAOS?

>>139936978
You've got nothing. Bravo

>>139937022
You're actually so willfully ignorant that I'd call it a mental handicap. Google what satya means I'm sanskrit, and what ananta means in sanskrit. See for yourself that their shirt versions are sat and an respectively, and when put together as Satan it translates to truth eternal. Here is proof that 666 is inherent to all life and is not evil, via bwing the carbon atom itself. Or are you saying raw atoms are less credible than an old shitty book of non-science? We're you dropped on your head as a child?

>>139929631
>do whatever god says because he's god

the logic of an ill principled moron. that's like saying wash your daddy's balls just because you came out of them.

>>139937351
You don't wash your dad's balls?
What are you? Some kind of gay?

>>139937321
Fuck forgot the link. I'm too tired to deal with retards who don't know how to Google, who are too indoctrinated and intellectually dishonest to properly do it in the first place.

http://www.chemicalelements.com/elements/c.html

>>139937321
and you have?

>>139929383
Without the knowledge of good and evil one cannot sin, they are perfect in their ignorance.

Lucifer told them how to disobey, in that moment sin was born in their hearts, this sin leads them to disobey God and eat the fruit. In that moment they became aware of earthly/carnal desire. Thus the downfall.

Lucifer did the equivelant of giving a toddler a loaded gun, of course they provided proceeded to shoot themselves in the feet.

>>139937470
Also the story of Adam and Eve displays how humans are stupid. We still have people alive today that thinks communism works.

>>139934437
ignorance is bliss until you get hit by a bus because you don't know to look both ways. intelligence is why we have medicine and people are living longer. pursuit of knowledge is necessary to evolve. to reject learning is to reject the ability to adapt to changing events, so in a sense, as destructive as losing your 'innocence'.

>>139937454
I've got facts. You might try them sometime. Look up carbon atoms. Look up satya in sanskrit. Look up ananta in sanskrit. Put the words together yourself and Satan means Truth Eternal. Every carbon atom has 6 neutrons, 6 electrons and 6 protons. 666 is life, not evil. Try to reconcile yourself as being an idiot who believes in lies. The facts aren't going anywhere, fuckboy.

>>139937321
>says Satan is Sanskrit for truth
>looks up his sources
>"blacksun666.net"
>"inluciferwetrust.com"
>*sweats profusely
>"ugh, can't find good evidence...better call him a name to deflect"
http://spokensanskrit.org/index.php?mode=3&script=hk&tran_input=truth&direct=au
>satya=truth
>"meh, close enough right?"
>muh atoms
>"there's numbers there guy!"
>"devil=carbon=truth, what's so hard to believe about this! don't take away from my credibility just listen and believe gaaawd"

>>139929383
The satanic temptation is to sacrifice the future for something in the present. It is a preference for pleasure instead of meaning.

>>139937351
>"you love your creator? HA! that's the same thing as washing your fathers ballsack you know"
>"who needs loyalty or respect anyways"

>>139937582
do you need a tin foil hat? You sound like one of those nutty Evangelicals ha.

>>139929383
He made Eve ashamed to show her tits. How is that a good thing?

>>139937586
I said Truth Eternal every single time. I'm not going to bother responding to you anymore. Your ego is so delicate and worldviews so fragile that you warp my words by default upon seeing them. Look at any credible - by *empirical* standards - source of your choosing. Nothing I've said is factually false whatsoever. Satan translates as Truth ETERNAL in sanskrit. Carbon has an atomic number of 6 (you have no idea what that means). 6 electrons, 6 protons and 6 neutrons. 666

>>139929383
Lucifer gave us neither consciousness nor free will. Your arguement is invalid, as it is based upon an invalid assumption.

>>139937321
Hold on, I got more:
>not knowing that Zoroastrianism is the father of all Abrahamic belief
>not knowing that Zoroastrian demons are named the same as earliest Hindu gods
>choosing the early Hindu gods arbitrarily because it makes you a special snowflake with special insight

>>139937569
Who knows, maybe it will in hell. They will have all the experts, and no old fashioned religious nuts holding them back. Just one big long singing of kumbaiah around the campfire. Hope someone shoves a bag of marshmallows up their ass before they die.

Wait, you guys don't actually believe the Christian creation myth, do you?

I mean you are being ironic, right?

>>139937586
He's full of shit anyhow. Satan is a bastardized form of the hebrew name Shaitan, which means "distant" "removed" and "astray" in hebrew. In arabic the same word meant "enemy" or "adversary."

God knew eve was going to eat the fruit that's the whole reason he put it in the garden

Eve wanted to be wise like god. It's natural for Eve (god's daughter) to want to grow to be like him. Some christians might tell you this was arrogant or whatever but before the fall Eve is not corrupted by sin so it cannot be an ignoble desire. Additionally all human children desire to become like grownups and mimic them as soon as they learn to play and this is considered by society self-evidently healthy and good.

So Eve desires to be wise like god and this is good.

But how does one become wise? It the story the choice of wisdom is coupled with the doom of man. Because man desires wisdom he is given the power to see good and evil and cast out into the world to suffer.

You as an adult are a lot wiser than you were as a child and therefore more godly. You could have never have gotten to this point without having suffered of having choices and consequences. Victories and defeats. Sorrows and joys.

By casting us out in the world to suffer god has granted eve's wish and the wish of all humans to become more than what we are.

>>139938040
Are we really debating this? Satin is the great manipulator. God allowed Satin and a large amount of Angles to follow Satin. Its really not that hard to figure out.

>>139932359
Don't have to. God will take care of that. Is being a proud dumbass really worth burning in hell for?

>>139937582
You've got nothing. Your arguements are as foolish as a childs. Regardless of carbon atoms you cant even write on /pol/ in ancient greek to pronounce the symbols in Revelations that John was refering to.

It is NOT a number, it is a symbol.

And even if that was the truth, it is still no reason to believe any rubbish about Satan. And even if that were true, why would I worship a being created by God, when I could theoritically worship God.

Some much stupid in this thread its hard to begin to dissect it.

sage

>>139938064
The whole idea of being a human is to be a god of some sort. The down fall of every civilization is pride.

>>139930961
This is actually interesting since i don't really believe in evil or good. Evil things are just things opposing YOU and good things helping you. It is a matter of perspective so it cannot be true to say someone or something is evil.

If lucifer is opposing jews they would of course say that he is evil to get others in their side. This doesn't mean lucifer doesn't have reasons and motives that could be seen as 'good'.

>>139937813
>calls me fragile
>can't handle actual arguments
>flakes out of conversation out of pure fear of humiliation
>something something carbon, because why the hell not?
>plenty of 6-6-6's but carbon is special
>even though the Bible's Greek says 600-60-6
>not knowing basic Biblical background but insulting anyone who defies his understanding of it

>>139938138
Which one?

Your premise is wrong

>>139938238
"Evil things are just things opposing YOU and good things helping you"

This has been the smartest thing I have ever heard any Atheist say.

>>139936810
I was giving a general interpretation using Biblical names but not limited to Christianity.

>>139938040
Yeah I'm not sure why he'd trust Sanskrit over the authentic sources. I could understand Aramaic, but he was obviously very proud of his theory because he was convinced it was really something that set him apart. He put his soul into that one but it was riddled with rookie mistakes.

>>139938238
>since i don't really believe in evil or good

Are you saying there is no absolutes?

>>139938064
Maybe we were wrong about the leafs afterall

We always had freewill, we just didn't know about evil or at least didn't grasp the concept

>>139938412
I find the absolutes to be an interesting argument because of the history of slavery.

>>139938493
I'm glad you posted that,I almost missed that post

>>139938217
Humans are made in God's image to eventually become like god is our natural path of growth and in god's creation everything has a desire to grow. Plants, animals, stars,

>>139938403
Because sanskrit is a lot older than arabic and hebrew you fucking idiot

>>139938023
Hate to break it to you, but the Earth is flat. NASA was founded by nazis (real ones) and satanists. Stanley Kubrick faked the moon landings. Satellite communications are simply bounced off the firmament dome which was ionicly charged by high altitude nuclear testing. Mars is in Canada...or Greenland, I forget. The stars are angels. The "planets", wandering stars. If you would subject Scientism to the scientific method, many of your beliefs you gained in school will crumble.

Come to find out there really are conspiracies. And people who say, "Oh, that's just a conspiracy theory." Are fucking morons!

>>139929383
Not exactly. When you do something you shouldn't (willful drunkenness, smoking weed, doing other drugs, sex with random people, masturbating, stealing, murdering, lying, etc) and you feel shame or remorse, you feel pain, misery, and hopelessness, that is God, the eternal Good which spans from here to eternity, tugging on you. Pain is God's trumpet to rouse a death world.

So God IS counciousness. Lucifer is actually the opposite. Bad people have very little understanding of just how bad they really are. They are not councious of it, because they chose to worship Satan instead of God. There actually more than likely actively ignoring their conscious. Those trying to be good only understand how bad they really are.

>>139938627
Pretty much this. The problem with humans are we are very prideful thus why we will always fall.

I mean just look at the whole refugees welcome campaign. If you really think you can take in millions from the 3rd worlds with completely different ideology from yours and everything will work out you are a prideful fool.

>>139929383
Assuming God is omniscient, all knowing and foreseeing all possible futures, wouldn't he have known/intended for Lucifer to rebel? Rather was the point. Humans weren't created to be wind up toys but rather independent actors in a grand play of sorts (free will yo).

Lucifer's role brings drama, action, comedy, romance, and climax. He's an epic screenwriter because maybe that's what he was created to do. God gets to be both the prop manufacturer, audience, producer, and critic, but doesn't write the plot. Actors and backstage get to join the audience when they aren't performing on stage.

Maybe it really was/is all intended, after all utter solitude in a spaceless void must be the single most boring thing I can imagine. What's the saying? Being a omnipotent omnipresent omniscient being would be utterly boring and I wouldn't be able to stand it. Weakness is important.

Lucifer didn't offer free will. He offered the means of which to go against the norm. To change the script Maybe Lucifer didn't see it that way or maybe he did is just acting his part; who knows? He didn't make the stage, or the actors, so they aren't his to give out/away.

But he brought drama and excitement to what would've otherwise been seemingly mundane -- (God creates the platypus and Lucifer is like fuck it this is retarded, I'm gonna spice it up). Don't really know his reasons hopefully not jealously of God's power (IMO its a curse) or man's freewill and weakness (you can't have power AND weakness).

Maybe we find out in the end. Or maybe not. Is fun to think about, right along the deep dark void of space and "why are we here." Sometimes there isn't an answer and these kinds make the best questions.

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>>139929383
Lucifer and God are one. 2 sides of the same coin.
God give fatherly guidance to the people that need stability in their lives and need to know that tomorrow, everything will be fine.
Lucifer is the bringer of light. He is an allegory for knowledge of the world around you and free will.
Both God and Lucifer are necessary. God is r. Lucifer is K.
God is for the many, Lucifer is for the few.
Lucifer is for the people that cannot see the world as ultimately benevolent and realize that the nature of the universe is chaotic and uncertain and must act accordingly in the knowledge that we will always ultimately be ignorant. The serpent brings knowledge and responsibility, God brings doctrine and relief.
Lucifer will always make you question, God gives you the answers.

Wew lad you sound like you spend a lot of time cutting yourself with razor blades.
Stay on your containment board sad robots.

>>139938813
Lucifer was God second in the command and God loved Lucifer. Its hard to kill something that you love.

>>139938680
....So? If it's not related to Hebrew, and it's only distantly linked to ancient Greek by thousands of years, with none of the rules holding over nor the diction, then why would you think that's equally as viable as the ancient Hebrew/Aramaic it was directly sourced from? Why would you bother smashing together words from an unrelated language to produce something vaguely similar?

>>139929631
>food analogy

>>139938906
Isaiah chapter 14 would like a word with you.

>>139938138
yes because there is no hell

Wait. Is not this kind of thread belong to /x/ or /his/?

>>139936810
Cannan was a son of Ham. Ham is the source of the black race. The black race is now know as...?

Yes. You, sir, believe in the nigger God.

Congratulations. We 'wuz God, 'n sheeit!

>>139938971
Sat and an are words in sanskrit. They are shortened words but thwy appear written as sat & an respectively, in many sanskrit texts - as well as the full and not shortened version. They are 2 different words but can be put together, and in sanskrit: satya ananta comes out as "satan" - truth eternal

>>139939086
The UK is an Islamic hell.

>>139929383
I think that god in many ways represents the father and the father teaches his children not to do something, because he knows that it's bad. God could've easily made us perfect, but chose to relinquish all control on us to be free to chose for ourselves. The father can also warn you, but can't control you so it all falls on you. That story is about personal responsibility and that actions have consequences OP

>>139939171
This

>>139938906
Awesome! Satanic salt!

SJW salt just ain't salty enough no more.

>>139933768

>man is a soul, he doens't have a soul

Then why did Jesus say "what does it profit a man to gain the world but lose his own soul"? Your line of reasoning is btfo by this as well as by the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. One went to hell, the other to heaven, and all this before the resurrection.

I've never been a Christian, but there is one thing I've always wondered. Winners write history, so why would you trust the word of someone who doesn't have any proof and no political opponents debunking their shit.
If Bible is the word of god, where is ''Debunking of Bible'' by Lucifer?
Only a complete brainlet assumes everything they're being told is the truth. From what I understand god and Lucifer had different political ideologies, so they had a war and god won.
What if there is no single god, what if it was a group of beings who created everything? What if the guy currently in charge is some kind of a North Korea style dictator who arrests everyone who disagrees with him, and makes propaganda about how he alone created the universe and anyone who disagrees is evil?
Even if you believe that the Christian god is real, you can't possibly be so dumb as to believe it is as simple as ''hurr hurr god good and perfect, lucifer is DRUMPF pure evil nazi''

reminder that lucifer in the bible is just a poor translation and satan is anyone that tempts you away from god. the devil as an evil counterpart to god is zoroastrian heresy and has no basis in scripture.

>>139939125
No they aren't anon. -ya is a distinct phoneme and letter. so is -ta and -an. So the combined word would be "Satyaananta"(and they would elongate the double 'aa' for emphasis). We could assume, for some reason, that it might be shortened if transitioning over time and space between peoples to be a bastardized word- but you still haven't answered why you think the Hebrews and Greeks used Sanskrit instead of the meanings in their respective languages. Why bother with Sanskrit if it's not related to the source material at all?

I like how you dropped Carbon after learning that the Greek letters for the mark of the beast is 600+60+6,and not 6+6+6.

>>139938935
See that's a neat way of thinking about it. Thinking of Hell not as 'damnation' or eternal burning punishment but instead a void a 'absence of God's love'. Rather than kill something you love, give them their own world to play in. Remove them from reality to prevent harm from the other beings and simultaneously fulfill their wish of 'God-level freedom/power'.
Again we don't really know Lucifer's reasoning. That's a question you'd honestly have to ask him.

>>139939328
The Bible is just a reflection of Human nature. Look at the ten commandments for example. If you go against each commandment then your life will be a personal hell,

People overthink this way to much.

Lucifer is a female goddess from Sumerian lore named Innana
Who stole The mes from Enki

>>139939468
Lucifer's wanted to be number 1. I mean think about Lucifer's for a sec. Lucifer's was the most beautiful/powerful angle , and his pride kicked in thus wanted to take the top Gods place.

>>139939467
>inb4 yes I meant Greek numbers

Lucifer is the liberator from the demiurge, the demiurge created the physical universe and animals as a sort of meat prison for your soul. Worshipping lucifer would be like Buddhist worshiping buddha

>>139939484
Jewish nature is not human nature. Something written by jews only reflects what their nature is. If Bible was written in Africa it would display completely different values.

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>>139938119
THE ANGLES ARE IN LEAGUE WITH THE DARK ONE!!!!! EXECUTE THE GEOMETRY TEACHERS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!

>>139939484
Human nature is a reflection of God.

As above my anon

>>139938810
Theres a story warning about this exact scenario in Matthew.

Jesus is chilling in his cabin after a long day of healing his people and a Syrian woman breaks into his house.

She says "Help me Jesus my daughter has a demon in her"

Jesus says to her "It is not right for me to throw bread to the dogs while the children starve" (translation: It's not right for me to save foreigners while my own people are in peril)

The syrian woman says "Even the dogs can eat crumbs from the masters table"

Jesus says "Because of the wisdom you spoke I will heal your daughter" and he does.


In Europe not only do the dogs get fed while the children go hungry but the dogs tear at the throats of the children. To think you can save the world while you can't even ensure a future for your own kin is prideful and disgraceful. Jesus knew it.

>>139929768
Tyron, Fritz, Shlomo and co are part of human nature as well, but we frown upon it. Do you think you could've survived a world with no laws?

>>139930320
This just shows how little you know OP, God sets a moral blueprint and leaves us alone to chose for ourselves if we want to follow it. If we do, good we'll be rewarded, if we dont, then we'll suffer just like those that did from our actions

>>139931238
Imperfection is a meme. We're perfect enough to not be animals and capable of controlling our actions.

>>139939613
That is why I used the 10 commandments as an example. Each commandment is pretty good reflection on the sins of man.

Name me one commandment that is not a reflection of human sin.

>>139939467
Satya is shortened to sat. Ananta is shirtened to an. That is a thing that happens in sanskrit... what are you on about? And so 666 isn't satanic whatsoever too lol. Good to know, I guess that meme never existed huh?

>>139939613
Then why are Africans converting to Christianity? It speaks an innate truth. The true redpill is realizing discipline and wisdom can overcome any attitude or IQ difference we might be inhibited with physically.

>>139939320
>btfo
autism.

That line can be easily read: "what does it profit a man to gain the world but lose himself?"

>>139939748
>not a reflection of human sin.
What does that even mean?
This is Buzzfeed levels of buzzwords

Lucifer is the personification of the knowledge of our own vulnerability. When Lucifer tempts us with the fruit, we realize our own nakedness. A lot of dumbasses think this is a sexual thing, but there's no reason to believe that. They cover themselves because they realize how exposed their vulnerable abdomen are. This physical vulnerability is symbolic of all human weaknesses. Without the knowledge of what can hurt us, we could not hurt others and evil could not exist. Lucifer is the sole reason for all evil in this world in the Christian mythos.

>>139939821
The 10 commandments are a refection of humans faults. I do not know how else to say this.

If you follow the 10 commandments your life will be fine even if you do not accept Jesus.