How did you apply it's rules in your daily life, /pol/ ?

bump
I don't want my thread to die

Last try. Is it actually on a fucking list of recommended books that no one ever took the time to actually read ?

Latest of the last try. I'll discuss it on /r9k/ or /lit/

Yes hypergamy is hardwired into every woman bro

>>139906023
Have you ever thought that most of the posters on this board are illiterate retards?

Most of those book lists were also created 3+ years ago when this board wasn't chock full of 80 IQ antifa libtards and pleddit bandwagoners. If you want to discuss the literary merits of these books, you should be going to /lit/.

And you'll probably be laughed at because a good 90% of those /pol/ recommended books are fucking awful anyways.

PS start with the greeks

>>139905047
There might be a statistical exception, but yes, hypergamy is a dominant sexual strategy for just about all women. Think about it in a evolutionairy way. There is no negative to a well-executed hypergamy.

>>139907406
>everyone is retarded now
Pls read my new book
t. Lauren southern

>>139907406
This. I've you can't put your message into a pepe meme then your message just goes by without being noticed

>a book
Ha pleb the streetz wah we learn, world my tutor.

First of all, thanks to all of you for replying.

>>139907135
>>139907484
I can see where you're going with this, but I can't seem to observe such cases of said hypergamy going on in my environment. Maybe it's because I just left highschool but I have female friends who are in a relationship with "beta" or ugly men and they love them. They are not alphas, but are'nt betas ( = fragile emasculated men) either. They are normal. And I'm not seeing the girls going and fucking with the chads, as I actually went partying with them.

>>139907406
I don't know. I hope there are people who are'nt here just because this board became a politics orientated /b/ replacement since Trump election. I'm trying to become a better man by reading and learning useful virtues like hard-work etc. Despite all it's flaws, /pol/ and 4chan in general can be very enlightening for the soul

>>139905047
Spin those plates, frenchy! Only got one plate? Pretend like you have more. Regardless of you're past and present, to whatever woman you're courting, you are and have always been a stud.

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>>139909142
This is what I actually want to know. As stated multiple times in the book, women prefer covert methods of communications over overt methods that men use in general.
In which common ways can we show to a woman that we are actually a high regarded man ? Showing her that we can leave her at any time ? Going out with female (((friends))) by making sure that she see you with them, followed by you faking that you actually did'nt plan her to spot you with them ?

( Sorry for my broken english )

>>139907639
>everyone is retarded now
Well... yeah.

Look at it this way: If you're used to discussion on a board with an average IQ of 115, and then in the span of a single year, that average IQ drops off a cliff, you end up feeling like you're surrounded by utter idiots.

That's what /pol/ feels like going from shortly before the 2016 election to now. Relatively speaking, everyone here really is hecking retarded. I have to go to the smaller boards to get meaningful discussions now. I sometimes wish a baseline IQ of 100 or 105 were required to post here. Maybe hiroshimoot can do that for a new board.

>>139909634
Your english is fine. You are referring to jealousy. Being seen with other women is always going to peak interest, but only if those women are attractive or somewhat popular.

>>139908619
Beta doesn't necessarily mean fragile or emasculated. It just means guys that fulfill more of the provider role for women.
alpha and beta are not either/or categories. You can display alpha or beta behavioral trats at different times.

If you haven't already you should check out Rollo's blog, also Chateau Heartiste

>>139910060
You want to require people to take IQ tests to post?

>>139905047
>Is hypergamy really hard coded into the psyche of every living woman ?

If you read the book and you come here asking for verification on what I can assume is one of the key points of the book then that means the book was insufficiently convincing. If there weren't facts and statistics to back up the point then you can assume it is bullshit and there would be no reason to come asking here. If proof was offered in the book there should be no real need to come here asking for verification, just check the sources. If there was no proof and you still want to believe: Why? Why do you want to believe a falsehood so desperately?

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>>139910060
I'm pretty sure that you are exaggerating. Or maybe mistaking autistic shills with actual posters

>>139910183
Yeah I went a little off board. But since I'm not even able to get one plate this is why I thought first about "faking" having more plates.

>but only if those women are attractive or somewhat popular

Are you sure ? I was thinking that maybe since women would think " how the hell can he be going out with someone uglier than me" that would actually activate her desire to compete.

>>139910509
You actually reminded me, he even explains it himself in the "contextual alpha" section... I should take another look later.
I'll make sure to look at those too, thanks.

>>139909634
Honestly this is more /r9k/ than /pol/

Here's an axiom for you to run away with:
Women want the most successful possible mate to produce the most successful possible children, because this is the most successful possible evolutionary strategy.

From that axiom you can figure out what women want and why they want it, even when women can't figure it out for themselves.

>>139910183
It's called "pre-selection": You've already been sifted out of the trashpile of men, so other women are more open to a relationship and see you as more attractive. This is also why women go after married men.

>>139910563
As a unique twist for a new board only.

>>139910563
Hello, french bro. I haven't read that book, but if you're interested in understanding men and women, I'd recommend you "The way of the superior man".

I was able to understand a lot of things thanks to thay book, that I previously had some suspicions.

>>139905047
Bump

Civilizations fall because they stop adhering to natural law. One of the hardest things for /pol/ to understand is that there is no one behind the curtain. There is no mysterious cult bent on our destruction, we're collapsing because the fundamental ideology at the core of western world is egalitarianism - something which goes against the laws of nature. We're destined to fail because we pursue it. Hierarchy is one of the most important and far reaching laws of nature.

The first hierarchy is man over woman. Woman herself does not hold values or beliefs, she is always a messenger for someone elses views, a mirror. This next part can seem contradictory if you don't grasp the first part - woman are capable of almost anything. But they do not do things for the same reasons as men. They do it within the context of supporting/serving her authority. A woman can be a farmer, a merchant, or a scientist. But she cannot do these things because she wants to, she lacks wants, she cannot do them for her desire of self betterment. she is incapable of leading herself.

She cannot do this because she is inherantly curious about the world, no, she does this for her authority. A woman can be one of the greatest assets, but as long as we falsely believe them to be greater, or equal to man, we will not understand their value.

>>139911193
nah man he is just apprehensive about swallowing the red pill. It's a big deal to have so much about what you thought the world was, turned on it's head. He wants to know he is not crazy

>>139912015
Then he should read the sources provided with the book instead of asking people who probably haven't even read it.

>>139905047
>Is hypergamy really hard coded into the psyche of every living woman?
No, those claiming such do not understand the nature of women. They're still viewing women through the lens of sameness/equality. In order to believe women pursue hypergamy, you must first be under the assumption she is capable of pursuing her own interests. She is not, women are drawn towards ambition if anything. For it is men with ambition that can be served. The most miserable time a woman will have is when she's put in a position of power, she'll want to kill herself, be confused, she hates being in control. The second worst thing for a woman is to not be utilized. This is what a lot of men confuse for hypergamy, they don't understand and thus don't properly train their woman and end up thinking they have to constantly micromanage them. It would be like if a woman got a dog and instead of training it tried to treat it like a man.

Then got pissed when the dog didn't act like a man and constantly whined about wanting a dog who likes man things and acts like a man.

>>139911387
Oh, I'm not the OP, but thanks for the tip!

>>139909634
The idea isn't nessacarily to be seen with women. The thought being planted that you are desireable is enough. You can treat it like a game. Whether you are seeing other women or not, appear to be. An example being, telling her you're very busy when she knows you have nothing important going on. If she asks where you've been, say "out with a freind or friends without specifying male or female. You have to create competition anxeity to yield the best results.

>>139908619
>I'm trying to become a better man by reading and learning useful virtues like hard-work etc
Good, never stop pursuing self improvement. Always strive to be the best version of yourself that you can.

>>139911387
Thanks based nippon, I'll add that to my list. If you happen to have a .pdf available it would be for the best, since I'm not sure if I can find it in France.

>>139912015
It's basically what you said, yes. It's unbeliveable

>>139912099
I know, but I wanted to know /pol/ POV on the matter since I would'nt have known the existence of this book without this board. Is it asking too much ?

>>139909634
>In which common ways can we show to a woman that we are actually a high regarded man?
This will be a reoccurring theme. Almost every aspect of our society (which hold egalitarianism at it's core) is based around the idea that women can/do pursue their own interest. If you want a woman, become her authority. But almost every woman has an authority already, which means you compete/replace the existing one. For most modern woman this authority is media or government, show you know better then her authority. What many men think are 'shit tests' is her just repeating what the authority says, you're not challenging her, you're indirectly challenging her authority. You cannot challenge her because she has no beliefs or values of her own to challenge

Women are born with inherent value, let's say 100. Men are born with no value, let's say 0. The only thing a woman has to do to retain her value is avoid doing things which diminish it, that's it. While man has to constantly work to improve his value. The minority of men pass on their genes up until egalitarianism was implemented, now nature's perfect system of eugenics is ruined and we're actively trying to keep a dysgenic system alive while seeing the consequences.

>>139911902
>>139912451
Where can I read more about this ideology. This is an interesting pill. I like your style.

I don't understand your disagreement with the idea of female hypergamy. How is it different from your perspective?

Respectfully Yours,

anon

>>139910060
>That's what /pol/ feels like going from shortly before the 2016 election to now
It's because the general public has gotten stupider over the generations. While 4chan has normally been a safe haven for social rejects, which because our society does not value intelligence, just mindless compliant drones, has been an idle place for intellectuals. The retardation you see is the general public hearing about this place and stopping by to visit.

>>139912859
>Is it asking too much ?
It's not asking too much, it's just asking for something silly. You're asking for people to reinforce your beliefs instead of thinking on your own.

lozlolozzloz rollo is a total fag

t. 2008

>>139907639
mooselips, you call that thing a "book"

don't insult books, slore

>>139913175
>Where can I read more about this ideology
>This is an interesting pill. I like your style.
Thank you, it's my own based upon conclusions I've come to from everything I've read up until now.

>I don't understand your disagreement with the idea of female hypergamy. How is it different from your perspective?
Hypergamy is the pursuit of 'partnering/marrying up' it implies that women are capable of judging what 'up' actually is. Women who have rich/successful men, or are born into a rich/successful family. May often seek out men below them. If hypergamy was the leading drive for women, not only would we never see this. But we would also regularly see women who have an understanding of what 'moving up' in the society actually was.

But we do see it, I'd even argue more often then not we do; just as we know that women cannot lead themselves or anyone else to anything but ruin. But they do not do this because they want to, they do it because they don't know how to lead, they cannot know.

>>139910509
rollo is fag

ch is a group editor effort that keep out people that speak super truths against the synagogue, alt kike, or retarded jewtube females...for some reason

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>>139911902
>>139912451

I never thought about it from this point of view. How can you be so certain about the fact that women are not thinking for themselves or their interests ? Is it at a subconscious level ? Excuse me if I find this very difficult to believe.

Actually I read >>139913065 and now it's starting to make more sense in my head. I've seen a lot of times here that women are more inclined to follow group tendancies and the like, but not to this extent ( this is what I understand when you say authority, for example I know a girl who became interested in the same hobbies and political leanings of his boyfriend, maybe I'm wrong )

>>139913313
I'm asking here because I discovered it here. I'll admit though that I'm probably victim of confirmation bias, but the book openly state that society and normal people will disregard it's ideas if you ever try to discuss it with real people. Not much of a choice here...


>>139912504
Now I can clearly see what is the mechanism. Thanks !

>>139912575
I'll try. Better, I'll keep going

>>139914471
of her* boyfriend
sorry the sleep is slowly but surely coming to me

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>>139905047
I had been dating a girl for a while (non exclusively, I was seeing other women in the mean time). She was moving back to my city and asked me if I still supported Trump after ""Charlottesville"".
I told her she knows I'd rather not talk about politics with her.
She pressed me and said she was coming back to my city and wanted to know if she could still see me.
I told her she never HAS to see me again.
The next week I was fucking an asian chick with a tight pussy that I have been "spinning" for just as long.
I really liked that girl and got along with her better than any girl i've dated. But I'm literally never talking to her again unless she comes back saying that she was wrong and that she wants me to forgive her.

So what TRM gave me was
>The importance of abundance mentality.
There is nothing wrong with optionality. It frees you from emotional pain. This give you the ability to really say what you mean and get what you want. I haven't had an argument with a girl in YEARS, despite dating them.
>The importance of reaching your potential
I am 25, good looking, and am going to be a doctor in 1 year. I was very close to "settling" YEARS before i read TRM with a total bitch.
>The Iron Rules
These are important for everyone

>>139914471
>the book openly state that society and normal people will disregard it's ideas if you ever try to discuss it with real people.

That should be a huge red flag. If the science is valid and the sources verifiable there shouldn't be any reason you can't discuss it with "real" people. Most people aren't absolutely batshit insane as to straight up deny reality, despite what people here on /pol/ might have you believe. If I were you I'd check those sources to make sure you aren't just reading a huge pack of lies.

>>139914918
When the mind is set in its ways it really does reject new ideas. This is true for any redpill. It takes time to set in the mind, that's all he means.

>>139915066
Becoming set in your ways and rejecting new ideas is a fucking retarded way of living your life. Only the most absolute of shit-tier people end up this way, though, so I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here.

>>139908619
>And I'm not seeing the girls going and fucking with the chads
Well you don't see it doesn't mean it does not happen
This book was my first redpill, memories...
> Rollo is a good guy but too verbose.
r/theredpill sidebar has some good links for information cher compatriote (content is mostly trash)

>>139914471
Glad i could help.

Quick protip while it's on my mind. Do not jump the gun on telling a girl you're interested in her. Wait until she's showing clear signs of competition anxiety/being interested. One of the worst mistakes a man can make is telling a girl he has any kind of feelings for her too early.

>>139914471
>How can you be so certain about the fact that women are not thinking for themselves or their interests?
I have seen no evidence to indicate this

>Is it at a subconscious level
I think it may simply be an inherent biological difference. Though I cannot support that by pointing out the exact reason for this. I have read plenty of literature on differences of men and women, but the topic and such research which would answer these questions has not been conducted to my knowledge. Something I hope to be able to do in the future if I'm able to fund my own research.

>Excuse me if I find this very difficult to believe.
I would be surprised if you didn't, as mentioned, every aspect of our society is based around the false notion of sameness. Sameness of gender, 'race', class etc. If it makes you feel better much of mainstream 'science' of which our 'common sense' is based is not supported using the scientific method or not even testable. The amount of lies or misinterpretations of everything you'll find the more you read can drive you mad.

>women are more inclined to follow group tendancies and the like, but not to this extent
>this is what I understand when you say authority
Hmm let me expand/clarify. Women view all their social relationships through three lens
-Authority
-Family
-Children

Because no man can know anything, currently and historically women fill in gaps in what information they store by speaking with 'family'. So say you're a peasant and what your woman knows is only what you know. She can seek out the wives of the merchant, the lord, perhaps even the nobleman and learn from what their men have taught them.

>>139913840
While you are right that the dictionary definition of hypergamy is 'marrying up', within the context of Rollo Tomassi's work and the Manosphere generally hypergamy has come to have a broader meaning. The idea is that women have a dual sexual strategy. They seek to secure the best material provisions and long term stability on the one hand while also seeking to obtain high quality genetic material through short term mating prospects. This means that women are maximizing for two variables which makes their behavior complex. Women are subconsciously impelled in a way that makes them seek out the best reproductive deal, with no regard for the civilizational usefulness of this behavior.

>>139914471
In this way women also reinforce societal norms/knowledge. But she does not do this for herself, she does this so she can be better source of support for her authority. In a healthy society, her authority is first her father, then the man her father gives her away to. In our society generally a girls authority is media (which instructs her to be a good consumer) and government (which instructs her to act like a man). Think of what public school even is, the entire idea based around it, much like dating, is that women are capable of pursuing their own interests.

It's why we have women that go career in the first place, they're told to act like men. But why they suck as employees in the work place, because they're not men.

>>139915215
no i mean it's a truth when people are confronted with new ideas. Try to remember what 15 y/o self would argue about with your current self about a variety of topics.

>>139914471
>book openly state that society and normal people will disregard it's ideas if you ever try to discuss it with real people.
This is true for almost any topic which questions the norms. Places like this are so great because men who may otherwise feel inclined to avoid discussion of such topics out of fear of social consequences can be free to do so. Think of the king without clothes story, many people in our societies may be thinking or wanting to question the same things. But all will stay silent or pretend not to out of fear of the others around them all wondering the same thing may react

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This one is the most well-known, but the first one is fucking accurate

>>139913065
Monogamy isn't a dysgenic system - it's successful in nature, it's just one of several evolutionary strategies.

>>139914918
>If the science is valid and the sources verifiable
Try to question any 'established' science and see how rational people can be. I was originally looking at a career in genetic engineering but steered clear of the sciences all together after getting a good look at the academic culture. The pursuit is not learning, or even applying anything which is learned. It's about prestige, which comes through scrubbing rodent cages and citing papers you've never read so they'll cite your paper and positively review it sometimes without ever reading it too.

>>139915665
What are the Development and Redevelopment phases?

>>139905047
hardcoded? no

we are not robots. we are germanic people people. if the will cannot triumph over the body we are no better than animals.

>>139913840
Sincere thanks for your thoughts. It's anons like you, why I come to /pol/ (or 4chan for that matter)

>>139913175
Dude look at this link, "the misandry bubble" you will like it
Old redpills
> http://singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

>>139916174
Here is the post where Rollo explains it I beleive
> https://therationalmale.com/2014/03/16/preventative-medicine-part-i/
IIRC 45-50 women usually have made their children, so security (beta provisioning) is not the top of their priorities anymore, they usually get back on the sexual market place SMP, divorce and / or cheat their husband with older alphas and do everything they have not done yet before they are too old and die

>>139915256
I already "knew" that but since I was never in this situation, I'm not sure if I'll be able to not sperg out this one. But thanks, a little reminder does not harm.

>>139915314
>>139915436
I see. It makes more sense. Is this maybe why there are people on /pol/ who are so much anti welfare in fear of the state/governement replacing the role of a father in providing for basic needs etc ? Anyway thank you for your insight, you seem very knowledgeable and nive enough to answer my interrogations, as everyone who replied in this thread by the way. Thank you all

>>139915218
>>139915665
>>139915788
>>139916205

Merci mec, j'avais vu le deuxième graphique mais le premier s'affichait pas bien dans le .pdf

>>139915218
That reminds me, whatever happened to the big period people were having over Redpill in the sense of Men's Rights. I think that shit happened the same time as GG. It was like every day somebody trying to shit on men.

>>139914918
Dude you are so wrong.
Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks is mostly taboo, it is impossible to discuss it overtly in society.
Go to party with drunk people, especially girls. They will tell you how they think and act.

>>139915341
>They seek to secure the best material provisions and long term stability on the one hand while also seeking to obtain high quality genetic material through short term mating prospects
Except there is no evidence to indicate this occurs, or that women are capable of understanding these things. The manosphere is mostly composed of men who realize the lie of sameness for gender (sometimes they realize it through negative experience which taints their interpretation). But despite knowing there is a difference, they still tend to view women's behavior through the lens of thinking they're like man, that they think like and operate like men, when they don't.

Think of why women's value decreases as she engages in poor behavior. It's tied to why older women tend to have trouble having healthy babies. It's why men can generally have children at any age with no health consequences (if they remain healthy themselves). Men continue to produce sperm, the load he would shoot inside her today will be different if it was done tomorrow instead. A man's sperm can be improved in quality based upon the behavior and actions of the man. But the woman is stuck with her contribution to reproduction, her eggs. If a main smokes cigarettes through DNA repair mechanisms (if they remain intact) he can correct any damage later on. A woman who smokes, or is exposed to smoke, she may accumulate mutations in her eggs which will be passed onto her children.

The reason older women produce poor quality offspring is because of the amount of mutations accumulated over time. All though I cannot prove it, I hypothesize that older women with eggs may be able to reproduce healthy offspring later in life if they abstain from all mutagenic environmental influences. However, in the modern world most women are already likely to produce unhealthy offspring by early/mid 20s now.

Rollo's second book (Preventative medicine) is acutally more useful for noobs and redpilling normies. His first book is basically a collection of blog posts which assumes some prior knowledge of "game". But if you're posting here you probalby know all this.

BTW I've read both and learned a lot from reading Dalrock's hundreds of comments on each of his posts and rollo's comments as well.

>>139916654
I wonder if this is a modern phenomenon. In more traditional societies, women have less economic freedom so their security anxiety never goes away the way it can these days.

>>139916205
That's a good read. I'd recommend it

>>139915849
>Monogamy isn't a dysgenic system
I disagree, monogamy is dysgenic for the same reason democracy is always a failure. Monogamy means the men with the best traits will not pass on genes to more children then the men with poor traits. Democracy and monogamy often goes hand in hand, the men with poor traits may kill off the men with good traits, or vote themselves into power over the men with good traits. A healthy society is one which naturally will engage in eugenics, you don't have to try.

An example would be - polygamy is allowed, you can have as many wives and children as you want. But, you can only have as many as you're able to provide/protect. This gives incentive to not only succeed, but also means those with the best merit will naturally take their place higher on the social hierarchy.

>It's successful in nature
So is polygamy for the same reasons I listed above. Seals, lizards, lions, insects, dolphins, birds, etc. Sure you may find animals which may only pursue one mate.

But if that species which has only been observed to participate in monogamy was placed into an enclosure. Given access to an abundance of resources and mates, do you think you would still observe monogamy?

>>139916710
Aucun problème mec ;)

Other good sources for redpills on females natures and game / pickup:
> https://heartiste.wordpress.com/ old articles before he got political, still good blog now
> yareally archives for pickup and game and PSYCHOLOGY, this guy is good.
> r/theredpill sort by best (ignore the noise)

>>139916934

You're on the right track. But it's just because people age, and aging isn't just 1 factor, its several things affecting each other. Your cells stop working as well because of nutrient deficiency, prolonged stress, etc.


Was talking to a dr and she works with people who have lots of toxins (anything from mold waste, heavy metals, dead cells not handled by lymph system etc) and the effect is cumulative. She periodically gets women that are infertile due to being so toxic. After 12mos getting the lymphatic going again, identifying contamination removing it (and their sources), same women go on to have multiple kids.

Toxin accumulation leads to localized cancer (which happens in everyone) but usually is handled by a properly functioning immune system. Occasionally it doesn't, and it metastasizes.

The sad part is this is very basic, obvious stuff and yet "modern" medical science categorically denies all of it. It was only until recently that they admitted there might be beneficial bacteria that live in the GI tract.

>>139916200
Thank you for saying so, I almost always lurk here. Once I finally sorted out my own world view I wanted to try and share what I've learned from here and outside here to give back. I would encourage all other lurking anons to do the same if they're able

>>139916934
They don't have to be able to consciously understand it to behave that way. They don't realize that they are acting out a certain sexual strategy but nevertheless they are.

But there is lots of evidence that women pursue alpha fux beta bux. Have I misunderstood you?

>>139916710
Just be patient. Your opportunity will come

>>139916710
>Is this maybe why there are people on /pol/ who are so much anti welfare in fear of the state/governement replacing the role of a father
Perhaps one reason, but government is still composed of men. To change our society we need only to change the views of men, women have no power despite the illusions to the contrary we may be under. Libertarianism is a reactionary ideology though, they may well know and understand that no man is an island. But when a society becomes sick, when it fails to see the mututal gain which a healthy society is supposed to provide. They have a 'fuck it, I'll do it myself' kind of moment. If our society became healthy over night, you would likely see all libertarians praise the new system and it's government.

It's why there is so much crossover between facists and libertarians. It's part of the natural law of hierarchy I mentioned, our societies lack good leaders. Our aristocracy is currently composed of 'celebrities' who become famous by being an empty puppet and spewing the lines of writers/making faces directors tell them to the best; and athletes. Those who can run down a field the best. Yet even the smarter anons may still hold such people in high regard because hierarchy is natural.

If smart anons replaced these groups as the new aristocracy, we could probably fix our societies.

>thank you for your insight, you seem very knowledgeable and nive enough to answer my interrogations
No problem at all anon

>>139916934
>>They seek to secure the best material provisions and long term stability on the one hand while also seeking to obtain high quality genetic material through short term mating prospects
>Except there is no evidence to indicate this occurs, or that women are capable of understanding these things.
Again, this is a recurrent problem for anons. They have taken many redpills, but are not humble enough regarding women.
So I'll say it again, go read some PUA shit for some time (yareally, rollo etc...). They know better than you. They are basically truth seekers, like anons, but highly specialized for feminine psyche.

Not that I'm only talking of female psyche AKA hardware.
I'm not talking about current culture consequences (aka software), for which most of /pol/ common knowloedge is good.

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I'm going to sleep, good night or have a nice day.
I'll keep some posts in pasta or in screenshots. Thanks everyone for actually replying to a 18 year old french [spoiler]nigger[spoiler/]

>>139917207
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I wonder if this is a modern phenomenon. In more traditional societies, women have less economic freedom so their security anxiety never goes away the way it can these days.

Spot on, this is exactly right.

>>139917559
>It's just because people age, and aging isn't just one factor
Yes, there are currently six different mainstream theories on why/what aging is. I personally want to 'cure' it or contribute to it's 'cure' so I can never stop learning about our world. I also am interested to see if humanity can escape the cycle of civilization collapse due to forgetting the lessons which built it in the first place.

>She periodically gets women that are infertile due to being so toxic.
Diet is a major cause for many health problems we see today. Diet started suffering when women where told to leave the home and enter the work force (to flood the labor market and reduce cost). The obesity epidemic we now see, along with the low fertility rate is tied to women leaving the home. But the left (normally for egalitarianism) and the right (normally short sighted capitalists) both would see returning women to the home as wrong. It would mean the service, restraint and other industries would collapse or be massively reduced. It's the same reason oxygen therapy would would likely restore most health problems is not pursued - it could potentially be the end of the medical / drug industry. Same reason the idea that most 'mental disorders' not actually being tied to any physical basis is not discussed/acknowledged.

>obvious stuff and yet "modern" medical science categorically denies all of it
Yes because both sides of the political isle which make up the majority of society has vested interest in certain truths not being known or become common sense.

>that they admitted there might be beneficial bacteria that live in the GI tract
Indeed, which contradicts germ theory to a degree which holds all disease stems from microorganisms. But new research is showing that our health is tied to possessing a wide range of bacterium which in other circumstances we tied to disease.

>>139916855
Yes !
My redpilling process, and the one of many others, was r/theredpil + the manosphere, THEN pol.
Many people got redpilled from GG and imageboards directly (/v/ /b/ /pol/ idk)

Different roads, but it is converging now.

>>139911902
nice try schlomo

>>139917736
>They don't realize that they are acting out a certain sexual strategy but nevertheless they are.
>But there is lots of evidence that women pursue alpha fux beta bux.
I disagree, if what you say is true - they follow it instinctively without being consciously aware of it. You would still see the vast majority of women being capable of guiding themselves or others towards success. From a biological standpoint it doesn't make much sense too. As instinct is very general, mostly dealing with specific mindsets in which reactions occur. While the modern understanding of what constitutes success is tied to critical thinking done via pre frontal cortex, a very 'conscious' process.

From a societal stand point, women still fuck over weight, poor, dysgenic men even if they come from rich/successful families. Just as poor women may do the same thing. There is no wide pattern other then that they follow the directions of their authority and aim to please it.

The reason the 'pick up artist' approach is successful is because it relies on this. The man asserts himself as her 'authority' and then guides her. (normally to the bed room, and when he doesn't follow up as being her authority, the authority prior to him kicks back in and she responds to the actions of the previous night under the lens of her previous authority). It's why women can go from "yes I want to fuck you" to "you just raped me" the next night, seemingly as if changing their mind.

They didn't change their mind, the previous authority (government) tells them they where 'raped' because men and women are the same, and you instead 'lead' her as a man is supposed to. While the ideology of her authority (egalitarianism) is reinforced from other women.

Women simply embody the ideology of their authority, whatever/whoever that might be. We tend to think women are more complex then they are because we refuse to see them as anything but what we would see other men as

>>139918340
>They know better than you. They are basically truth seekers
If they wish to see the truth then they must understand the nature of things. Men guide, women follow/support. I don't find myself interested in the manosphere because it's mostly composed of men who haven't 'sorted themselves out'. Whatever patterns in female behavior they may identify, they still view it through viewing women as men. While largely using the information to pursue hedonism. I could be mistaken because I don't spend time in the 'manosphere' but it doesn't seem like any of them have their own long term women, or children they've produced with said women.

It's mostly just guys who you'd see going to Thailand to get their dicks wet.

>>139913840
>Thank you, it's my own based upon conclusions I've come to from everything I've read up until now.
Mind putting together a list of your top 10? Both in regards to psychology + female nature and overall non-fiction.
Your perspective is quite intriguing, and even though my brain is pretty burned out at this hour I can still appreciate the quality of your posts. I'll definitely go through them again once I get some sleep.

>>139918614
>In more traditional societies, women have less economic freedom so their security anxiety never goes away the way it can these days.
In more traditional societies women tend not to be forced to act as men and act as if they can guide their own lifes so their anxiety is lower in general.

>>139919416
Do you mean that people can overcome their instincts and subconscious inclinations, especially in the aggregate? If so, then I think we have reached a fundamental disagreement about human nature.

Your criticism of the Manosphere is is not totally untrue, but guys like Rollo and Roissy definitely do not subscribe to the false mentality of egalitarianism.

>>139919384
>Schlomo
Provide your own personal criteria for what qualifiers someone to be considered a "Jew". Which "ethnic" variety of "Jew" is included? Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, Beta Israel, Kaifeng, Sephardi? Which of these is considered to be "Jew" to you? Additionally, does this criteria include ideological Judaism, if so what variety, if not how 'reform' or non-practicing can they be to still be considered?

The simple fact is, there is no "Jew", believing there is someone evil behind the curtain pulling the strings is comforting for people. Because it means all they have to do is destroy this evil and everything will be solved. The truth is much harsher to accept, that the society is fundamentally broken and needs to be repaired. That there is no evil, just tribalism. Every European nation is composed of tribes that united willingly or because one conquered the others. Just look at how "France" was formed since that's where OP is from.

>>139905047
I read it but I didnt really implement it. Plato, Evola and mgtow helped me alot. (not the angry mgtow stuff) And now I have a healthy relationship with a girl whom I enjoy hanging out with. And I dont compromise any of my values. I lead.

>>139919871
>Mind putting together a list of your top 10
Depends upon what subject, for history primary sources should take priority. I personally despise 'historical fiction' it's fiction which pretends to hold some sort of artificial validity. Any history books which does not cite primary sources or you can follow up and read the primary source yourself (even if it requires learning another language) should be disregarded or meet with caution.

For anything related to the sciences I would only say there is plenty of literature written by scientists which are good entering points. But you need to learn how to read scientific papers yourself in the long run. Every book written by citing papers will be still with the perception/belief of the author. A good thing to remember is that the 'validity' scale is something like
Statistical significance -> Causal association -> Underlying mechanisms identified -> Recreation of phenomenon based upon identified mechanisms

Most non-scientific papers report on statistical significance. It's why the general public has the view that science is contradictory. It's why the 'red meat is bad' and the vegan fad where allowed to take off in the first place, same with the gluten one.

Religion and philosophy too should be done with primary sources. Understanding of the source material should be done by getting as close to the original meaning of the original language as you can.

>Regards to psychology
Psychology as a field is almost entirely non-testable guess work by observant individuals. I would regard psychology with caution as a general rule. However I would recommend learning about complex systems theory and trying to apply it to fields outside machine learning.

>>139916904
Probably because that's just your perception of the world, skewed by your biases. Please confirm this "Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks" with statistics and sources, please.

>>139908619
You are very polite, very strange for someone on /pol/. l like you.

>>139919871
>female nature
Any literature which instructs about behavior for different genders. Religious, scientific, historical, insight can be gained by learning the approach of the past and then trying to anserw the questions of why they held that behavioral norm in the first place. Then coupling it with existing research on gender differences. Just be aware that when you go into such research that all influencing factors are not always taken into account.

That the conclusions of the authors may not reflect what their data shows. You cannot have 'politically incorrect' conclusions in science generally without getting blacklisted by the scientific community or backlash from the public. A good example is James Watson being thrown under the bus by his collages and the target of a massive witch hunt by making comments to the effect of 'in my experience, black grad students seem to struggle and do poorly then their white and asian counter parts. Research should be done to follow up on the differences which could explain this' he was forced to try and sell his noble prize he got for discovering/outlining the structure of DNA

>I can still appreciate the quality of your posts
Thank you anon, I intend to start writing books based upon everything I've learned in the future if I'm in a position that can take the heat of the politically incorrect conclusions

There used to be book threads on /pol/ everyday before the election. Worst thing that has happened to this board and site in general.

>>139920354
>Do you mean that people can overcome their instincts and subconscious inclinations, especially in the aggregate?
Most of healthy human interaction is based upon doing just that. Overcoming instinctual inclinations, but that depends entirely upon what you'd consider tied to instinct. What your view on the role the 'subconscious' plays on the human condition.

Three primary tiers of brain function, listed by lowest, with lowest defined as low conscious effort to carry out

Instinctual is the lowest
Emotional is next
Critical is final

If you watch a movie or play a video game, 'immersion' will trick your instinct into wanting to react a certain way. Your 'critical' however disregards this instruction by consciously being aware of the fact that the movie and video game do not pose an actual threat to you.

This is an experiment anyone can try
If you're in a situation in which you're feeling emotionally charged. Start trying to 'transition' to the 'critical' portion of your brain. Ask yourself questions about history, or fact, even if completely unrelated to the situation causing the emotional influence. Your brain will 'transition' from 'emotional' perception, towards 'critical' perception. Allowing you to respond properly

This is one of the processes that has helped me stay sane through out my life and incorporate the conclusions I've come to as I learned into my world view without destroying myself.

>guys like Rollo and Roissy definitely do not subscribe to the false mentality of egalitarianism.
Perhaps not, I do not know those two people well enough to say with a degree of certainty that they do. But if their instructions are coded with bitterness, or/but longing for women who share their views, then they do without realizing it.

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>>139906023


I've never read this book, give us the tl;dr versoin plz....

>>139920354
The nature of women is fundamentally different from men. So much so that all scientific papers which does not factor in the differences between male and female control / test groups should be viewed as 'incomplete'

>>139920618
>I dont compromise any of my values. I lead.
Good job anon, this is the proper approach

>>139921463
Funny enough /pol/'s default approach to conversation is normally(or it used to be) very laid back. The open hostility is and posting of gore is a defense mechanism against outsiders which may seek to change the free market of competing ideas which is allowed here

>>139922034
Agreed, you'll still come across good threads like this at night or under a pile of other threads occasionally though.

>>139922488
>Most of healthy human interaction is based upon doing just that

I think the stuff coming out of cognitive psychology demonstrates that rational thought is the exception rather than the rule.
We're pretty off topic now so I'll leave it there, gotta go to bed.

stay euphoric ;)

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>>139906967
>>139906023
>>139905443
>>139905047

The original Red Pill (women = niggers of gender) is a gateway drug to /pol/.

Hell yes it's right on.

but....many of the people in the movement are Marxist agents. Going full TRP (i.e. spinning plates i.e. mentally breaking as many women as possible) is basically an act of war against civilization. A few of the thought leaders of the movement are legit, but the most famous ones are obvious Jewish shills. Wish I was kidding.

So: follow TRP if you want to make White babies, but we will need to repeal the 19th Amendment sometime in the next 50 years if we want our children to prosper. It's gonna suck.

>>139923428
>coming out of cognitive psychology demonstrates that rational thought is the exception rather than the rule.
Keep in mind that
1. Most pharmaceuticals work by limiting access to the higher tier of brain function
2. Most studies do not separate female/males or factor it in when interpreting data, same goes for 'race'
3. Modern science has a tendancy to examine the 'parts' outside the greater picture of the system it plays a part in helping to function
4. That cross-discipline research is rare and mostly fruitless because the people within them cannot cooperate very well on individual levels
5. The efforts to overcome that to understand the bigger picture are normally done via the goal of the funder /organizer

Rational thought is the 'exception' with all that considered. As mentioned above, women are largely not capable of rational thought, at least not in the same way men are. Negros are always tied into instinct or emotional, and most people in the west are on at least 1-2 mind altering substances.

>We're pretty off topic
Depends upon how interconnected you're willing to admit things are :^)

>Gotta go to bed
Alright, good night anon, thanks for the chat

>stay euphoric
Appreciate the meme but I'm actually not atheist and my personal world view is very strongly tied to the belief in the existence of a soul and other dimensions of reality

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>>139920402

> oy vey goy
> anti-White racism isn't the problem
> nope, European tribalism is the problem
> open your borders, goy, to end tribal racism

jesus christ bless this thread and give us good goys the strength to name the Jew. go back to your desert.

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>>139905047

dumping my women folder.

>>139923936
>but we will need to repeal the 19th Amendment sometime in the next 50 years if we want our children to prosper.
Honestly anon I don't think the USA will survive. I think the most realistic bast case scenario at this point is balkanization with each new societal entity which emerges from the boarders of the USA building back up with certain understandings in mind that would prevent another break up.

The only way to even start fixing our society would require the majority of men to all reject egalitarianism. I don't see that as being very likely

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>>139924530
>Honestly anon I don't think the USA will survive. I think the most realistic bast case scenario at this point is balkanization

Fuck that and fuck you. With technology, chaos, and autism......anything is possible.......

>>139924259
Quite a lot of false narratives there. Firstly the "Jews" pushing hedonism and self hatred are not even practicing Jews. The entire 'identity' of 'ethnic Jewishness' is inherently died to the ideology. The "Jews" of the west are all or the vast majority are atheistic, reform (allow female rabbi level reform) or non-practicing like the "Christians' who only go on Sunday but know nothing of their bible. Just look at the state of Israel, they're suffering the same rot as the west is, the minority of the population are Orthodox Jews (the kind which would be considered 'traditional/patriarchal value kind). Netanyahu and his party is very unpopular last I read among the youth there and they're as 'open borders for Israel, love not hate' as youth in the west are.

I would also point out the original term 'goy/goyim' doesn't carry the same meaning it currently does in popular culture. It was mostly used in reference to the 'lost sheep of Israel' (descendants of Abraham who had lost their way) of which the entire purpose of Jesus was meant to fix - to unite the people, of which he failed in doing so.

>Anti-white racism isn't the problem
I didn't claim this or indicate this. But just for the sake of argument, go ahead and give me criteria for what is considered 'white' to you.

>European tribalism is the problem
Now you're just being lazy, if anything I claimed the opposite - that tribalism was an inherent part of life and that you should accept this reality. That trying to fight tribalism and embrace egalitarianism is the root of problems.

>Open your borders
Nope, didn't advocate for that either. A nation is defined by it's borders and the governing body should seek to work in it's peoples best interest. Open borders do not work in the peoples best interest

>baited
Don't really care, keeps the conversation going

>>139924592

this shit has happened to so many people I know holy shit hahahaha

>>139925123
If it makes you feel better the USA was always doomed to fail. It was founded on egalitarianism with an emphasis upon class and religious variety. From the start under the Washington administration you had the division upon if it would expand more. With Jefferson being the voice of the landless peasants forming the Democratic-Republican party, and Hamilton being the voice of the aristocratic class wishing to maintain class hierarchy which still existed in Europe forming the Federalists. Hamilton ideology was reborn under the Whigs, but post French revolution (inspired by American revolution) the Jacobins tactics inspired the masses of the Democratic-Republic and now we're stuck with Democratic and Republican parties which both stem from this same failed ideology. Last chance of avoiding complete balkanization was probably reborn under the confederates. The entire communist ideology (class egalitarianism) was inspired by the French revolution, indirectly the ideals which lead to the American revolution where carried on into the works of Marx.

But that shouldn't bum you out either, the decline of western civilization was well into motion even prior to the founding of the colonies.

>>139909634
Don't try to out sneak a woman. Just be an un-apologetic man who thinks rationally and doesn't let women get in his way. You have to be willing to drop a woman in an instant if she pushes you where you don't want to go. Do this and women will naturally seek to please you. They are a test of a man's senses: Allow them to control you and you will be their bitch. Deny them control and they will be your bitch. Not all women will fall for you, but that's fine. You're a man who knows what he wants and you won't let a bitch get between you and your goal.

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>>139925342

Ya know what, let's fucking go. Your arguments suck like the rabbi sucked your foreskin.

> Quite a lot of false narratives there.
No shit, your argument's more full of holes and hot air than a new york bagel shop

> Firstly the "Jews" pushing hedonism and self hatred are not even practicing Jews.
you know I meant Jewish heritage and culture, not religion.

> Just look at the state of Israel, they're suffering the same rot as the west is
expecting me to feel bad that cultural marxism is real and so massively widespread that the backlash is affecting israel? oy vey, cry out in pain while striking the goyim, schlomo.

> Nyouth there as 'open borders for Israel, love not hate' as youth in the west are.
top kek m8.

> I would also point out the original term 'goy/goyim' doesn't carry the same meaning it currently does in popular culture.
what is a living language? what meaning did you understand I meant?


> I didn't claim this or indicate that anti-white racism isn't a problem.
oh so anti-white racism has gotten so bad that you're worried about the backlash affecting you? will wonders never cease?

> what is considered 'white' to you.
ahaha, lawyer tricks inbound. but fwiw Northwest European race, culture, and traditions.

> Claiming you claimed i claimed European tribalism is the problem is lazy and that really i claimed tribalism is good
glad we agree. go back to your desert.

> Nope, didn't advocate for open borders since borders are good for a nation.
glad we agree. go back to your desert. better hope your American-supplied missile defense systems keep working...

> Don't really care this is bait, keeps the conversation going
i love pilpul too

Now how about some off-case arguments:

Quit shilling this board, and start lurking instead. Also buy a Bathmate and maybe in a few years you'll be able to undo what genetics and Jaweh's cruel cuckery did your your member.

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>>139925555
what software are you running to get these gets?

>>139914471
>How can you be so certain about the fact that women are not thinking for themselves or their interests ?
It's not that they can't think. They can and they do it very well. They make good arguments, they hatch elaborate schemes and they can sniff out any inconsistencies like a fucking bloodhound. Women absolutely can think. The thing is women don't believe in thinking, it's a tool to them - a means to an end. They're not bound by it the way we are, they aren't bothered if something isn't true or inconsistent. Women don't operate on the truth as we know it, to them "truth" is a matter of consensus. If your woman's friends think you're a wimp and a pushover - even if she knows it isn't true, you have a fucking problem. If a friend similarly slanders your woman, he's got a problem. Women are capable of logic - they just aren't fettered by it.

Women don't reason, they rationalize. They find a pleasing conclusion teleologically then defend it with logic. You can't reason with women because logic is the paint, not the foundation. Wear it down and she'll grab a brush. How many times have you discussed something with a woman, given a presupposition she finds agreeable, walked her through the steps each of which she agrees are logical, only to have her recoil at the conclusion? It doesn't matter if it's true. That's all style and no substance from their perspective. It doesn't matter if refugees ruin Europe as long as advocating for them makes her look warm and caring. It's the goal and not the path. Attack the logic and she simply finds a new path to the same end. Women's conception of truth is only anchored in other people's opinion. It always originates from men who are fettered by reality. Because women aren't doers they can't judge, they leave that job to the people who do and follow their consensus.

Women don't have opinions, they have social circles.
>woman
>political leanings
Politics is just another form of makeup to virtually all women.

>>139926793
>Jewish heritage and culture, not religion
The "heritage and culture" is tied to the religion. It's all the same ideology. Much the same way Islam is all encompassing for "Arabs". Non-practicing /reform "Jews" are the equivalent of saying 5th generation Americans with no ties to Europe, their tribe of it, or language/culture of it are still "Europeans" in the same sense the claim of still being "Jews" is made.

>expecting me to feel bad that cultural marxism is real and so massively widespread that the backlash is affecting israel?
No, I'm expecting you to realize that the idea of organized Jewish efforts to cause these problems don't make sense if you consider that they're not any better equipped - nor did they prepare their own offspring to deal with the fall out as you'd expect if they where intentionally behind it. Also on 'cultural Marxism' it's merely egalitarianism extend to different areas. Read my above reply here >>139925865

>What is a living language
My point was in showing you the term "goy/goyim" does not mean, nor was it originally meant to mean what people use it as. The original meaning is inherently tied to the "Jewish identity" we're speaking of, in order to understand the present, you must first understand the past which lead up to it.

>Northwest European race, culture and traditions
Which is what? Considering quite a few 'nations' stem from the same group of people we commonly know as 'northern European' I will say my definition of 'white' is a minimum of natural blue eyes and blonde hair. Which disqualifies quite a lot of people who self identify as 'white'

>Go back to your desert
Ironic considering the peoples we know as "Asian", "Arab", "Mediterranean" all descend from the group of people you now call "Jew" while the individuals who're causally linked as 'evidence of Jewish negative intent' are overwhelmingly Ashkenazi, that is, of majority NorthernEuropean ancestry.

>>139918552
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Are there anymore indiginous Franks left in France?

>>139927377
>Women's conception of truth is only anchored in other people's opinion. It always originates from men who are fettered by reality.
>Women don't have opinions, they have social circles.
Yes exactly, I would add that those same women who we view as virtue signaling the egalitarian rooted party line. If the next week all the men in charge of Sweden decided to speak out against egalitarianism, that it was unfounded and leading towards your national destruction. all the same women would claim with just as much insistence that they 'thought/agreed the same as they did' all along. To fix our societies, we must fix only the men of them. The women will follow her authority, and be reinforced by the women of her circles 'family'

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>>139928019

>Jewish heritage and culture is also a religion, and the problematic Jews are no longer Jewish
So US politicians who have Israeli citizenship are not Jewish? The 9/11 billionaire front-seat passenger who either was the first to die or a lead hijacker was not Jewish? Soros is not culturally Jewish? Trump doesn't pretend to be Jewish to play both sides? The owners of many newspapers and banks are not Jewish? The fine employees of JIDF such as yourself are not Jewish? Jesus Christ, man, I'm all for lulzy bullshitting debate, but not only are you arguing 3 contradictory positions at the same time, but you're doing it badly. Sort yourself out.


>expecting me to believe that there are not organized Jewish efforts to cause these problems
Jews don't need to organize to sucker the goyim in the same way that blacks don't need to organize to rob and rape the goyim. It's an organically-formed process that nonetheless pulls hard in one direction.

>Marxism is merely egalitarianism, which is the founding principle of the USA
that is is a truly top quality bait, but nope, the USA was founded on the ideals of Locke (divine right to Life, Liberty, and Property), which provides equality of opportunity coupled with Christian traditions of charity. In other words, the polar opposite of Marxism.

> a word does not mean, nor was it originally meant to mean what people use it as.
> a word does not mean what people use it as.
read your sentence back to yourself slowly a few times.

> I will say my definition of 'white' is a minimum of natural blue eyes and blonde hair.
Hitler wasn't blond or blue-eyed. I said White people share Northwest European race, culture and traditions. Your bait is bad and you should feel bad.

> Not gonna go back to Israel because the rightful clay of my people, the honorable Ashkenazi, is in Northwest Europe, not some shitty desert
Tell that to the Palestinians and maybe re-think the whole Balfour Declaration thing

Gee, pilpul is fun.

>>139928429
Or even better, that such behavior is unattractive. They would never think of it again.

>>139930065
>USA politicians who have Israeli citizenship are not Jewish
Probably not no, the vast majority of "Jews" in the USA are reform, non-practicing, or atheist. The only "Jews" which hold the same ideology as the original ones would be Orthodox Jews. The "Jews" of the USA are much like the protestant "Christians" in ideology

>9/11 billionaire front... was not Jewish?
Haven't looked into all the different theories of 9/11 so I'm not sure who you're asking about. But the event of 9/11 itself was either a false flag by the USA government, or the government was complacent in an attack they knew would take place to justify future actions. 9/11 shares a lot of similarities to that of the pearl harbor incident.

>Soros is not culturally Jewish
Blue/greenish eyes and I don't know his natural hair color before it was grey but he seems majority 'white' ancestry. He's also not a practicing Jew from what I know, so that depends entirely upon how loosely you define "Jew"

>Trump doesn't pretend to be Jewish to play both sides
The fact that he encourages his daughter to work and take the role that a man would should answer if he's "Jewish" or not. But that depends on if you consider "reform" Jewish to be Jewish (it's not). Whether he's playing both sides, or just trying to clumsily play politics as an outsider really isn't something I am certain of though.

>The owners of many newspapers and banks are not Jewish
As above, no, vast majority are 'reform'/non-practicing.

>JIDF are not Jewish
Depends upon individual, but odds are that they aren't. Israel is about as Jewish as China is currently Confucian.

>organically-formed process that nonetheless pulls hard in one direction.
That just happens to have no actual relation to Judaism and whose key suspects are majority 'white' ancestry, brilliant.

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>>139930065
>USA was founded on the ideals of Locke
>Which provides equality of opportunity coupled with Christian traditions
He was an important figure in developing the ideals of the 'enlightenment' period certainly. Of which egalitarianism is rooted in the modern world. But the anti monarchy aspect of the American revolution cannot be ignored, neither can the 'equality of religious expression' and 'class' be ignored and the part it played in colonial politics.

As for the Christian part, American colonists where majority offshoots inspired by the protestant reformation. Protestant by their very nature are not "Christian" anymore than Shia is Islamic. Both of them stray from the original ideology of the religion. Much like how western version of "Christianity' currently is basically just egalitarianism with Christian themes.

>The polar opposite of Marxism
Marxism was inspired by the under class of the French revolution fighting for 'equality' much like how the American colonist rebelled for 'equality' you can't ignorance the connection. My entire point in bringing it up was to illustrate that the problems currently facing our societies are not as simple as we make them out to be.

That the problem of egalitarianism vs inherent hierarchy is a reoccuring theme in all of known human history. Which every single society has dealt with prior to collapse.

That while the problem is not new/unique, that our collapse is likely inevitable at this point. We should take solace in the fact that it is not the end, for the nations we know now where birthed from the ashes of old the same way our future ones will be.

>A word does not mean what people use it as
Okay, let's start using Red to mean green. Then in a hundred years when people point to green and call it red, they will ignore the meaning it originally had and claim it was always meant to be that way. Would make about as much sense as your use of 'goy' currently does.

>>139930065
>Hitler wasn't blonde or blue-eyed
Yes, and he and the Thule society which helped him rise to power did so with the understanding that those with closest ancestry to 'white' should breed with one another. That the historic lands of the Germanic peoples should be united, and the master race be preserved. There is also some alien origin stuff about the genes associated with being white itself originating from another planet but I don't know how accurate that part or their belief in it was.

Just that their belief in preserving the traits associated with 'white' was important to them and their cause. Even if they did not carry the traits themselves. Similar to how so many non-white majority ancestry individuals now fight for white nationalism I suppose.

>>139930105
>They would never think of it again
They didn't think of it in the first place, their men did, they then instructed women to reflect said beliefs Women will be/reflect whatever their authority wants them to be

>>139905047
I'm beginning to think that there are no words on this earth that are going to fix the relationship between the genders. A generation of mass conflict is our only hope to unite our people.

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>>139931569
> The "Jews" of the USA are much like the protestant "Christians" in ideology
hahahahaha oh my aching sides.
Jews: education, bullshitting debate, frugality
Christians: stupidity, frankness, poverty

>9/11 billionaire front... was not Jewish?
Daniel Lewin. Israeli dual-citizen, billionaire from Akamai Technologies, and ex-Mossad. And that's just his Wikipedia page.

> 9/11 itself was a false flag and the USA government let it happen
The JIDF agrees 9/11 was a false flag...will wonders never cease. Now to tell more of the story: look up "Lucky Larry Silverstein", the dancing israelis who were arrested and held in the USA but then released back to israel, the israeli art students who had access to the towers before the attacks. Great plan to secure Greater Israel, mate. It's sure fascinating that ISIS never attacks Israel, isn't it....

> Trump isn't really jewish
what part of displaying a kabbalah in his office and marrying his kids to Jews isn't Jewish?

> non-practicing Jews aren't really Jews
but previously you agreed that religious tradition still forms part of the culture of people from that tradition even if they no longer practice it....basically you said that non-practicing Jews are still Jewish.

> Israel is probably not Jewish
That's one of the most Jewish things I've ever heard. Jesus give me strength to survive this sudden laughing fit that has come across my sides.

> agree Ashkenazis pull hard in the direction of suckering goyim but claim that the fact that the Ashkenazim are mostly non-observant makes it okay
That sloppy argumentation might convince the plebbit crowd, but it doesn't work here. With pilpul that sloppy, no wonder you're not observant.

Here's another suggestion: delay White Genocide by, say, 5 generations...and by that time we'll have settled the stars. Take over then, and rule the galaxy. Or, y'know, stay in your shitty desert surrounded by exploding brown tard people. Real smart plan, schlomo.

>>139932895
The conflict will be between men who hold egalitarian views, and those who don't. If the traditional views win, a new society will be born. If the others win, society will continue it fail until the men realize their ideology will always lead to the same result

>>139913175
>>139911902

wow, well said. you can immediately see how the brutal order of islam will replace this.

the only way to fight this will be hinduisum.

hindu's follow natural law aka dharma aka what bannon is trying to create.

only in india has the muslim order not been able to take over.

this should give /pol/ a glimpse on how to solve this. you have to go deeper & understand how to enact this dharma.

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>>139924592
All the more reason to get /fit/, become Chad and pump and dump slutz

>>139933042
>Oh my aching sides
I was speaking to similarity in that both are not related to what they claim to be. The non-practicing Jews are not as smart as you seem to think they are too. As I said above, the desire to see a boogeyman is reassuring to people who don't want to realize our current situation is merely the result of short sightedness. It's natural to want to see people at the top pulling the strings, it just so happens the reality is that the ones doing so are as stupid as they appear to be.

>Daniel Lewin
Doesn't say if he was practicing or not

>Lucky Larry Silverstein
I have read this one before, it's the idea that he took out an insurance policy on the towers which covered damages done by terrorism prior to the attack right?
>Dancing Israelis
Read this one too, along with the FBI investigation which followed and was traced back to an Israeli shell company

>IS never attacks Israel
The fires which raged through the country claimed to be started by IS-connected jihadists, there was a few other attacks claimed to be carried out by them too if I'm not mistaken. But Israel certainly does benefit from keeping IS fighting it's more secular neighbors. Whether they're playing two enemies against each other or have a more direct role is less certain though

>what part of displaying a kabbalah in his office and marrying his kids to Jews isn't Jewish?
Real question is
>How is having a daughter head a company and act as a man would in business Jewish?
Actual Jewish ideology is patriarchal and traditional, as much as conservative Islam is. As much as Orthodox Christianity is (at least in some remaining areas)

>basically you said that non-practicing Jews are still Jewish
Hmm, are you sure? Can you cite me where I did? I might be more tired then I realize but I'm enjoying this conversation. I would disagree with the idea that non-practicing are following the tradition though.

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>>139932238
> But the American revolution resembled Marxism in that it was anti monarchy, pro religious freedom, and anti class.
These things all derive from the ideals of Locke and Christ. Authority derives from the consent of the governed, which means that like-minded people have the divine right to self-segregate and allow low-born people of extraordinary talents to rise in class. Self-segregation is the polar opposite of Marxism, shill. The French Revolution was organized and run by court Jews who seized power for themselves after their royal customers were beheaded. The Louvre Pyramid symbolizes this defeat of the Old Order by the New Order.

> problems currently facing our societies are not as simple as we make them out to be.
Expel the Jews, and the complicated problems suddenly become tractable.

> our collapse is likely inevitable at this point.
> our
Fuck you. Jesus bless our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

> getting this butthurt that I use 'goyim' to mean 'non-jew who is suckered'
i am glad we are effectively communicating, despite the logical impossibility of proving that words have any meaning at all

> that those with closest ancestry to 'white' should breed with one another.
yes, for reasons of culture, not superficial appearance.

But we're getting off-topic. I'm gonna dump a few more spicy redpills about women, and say more about how TRP is obviously funded and pushed by Cultural Marxist financiers

>>139933042
>>That's one of the most Jewish things I've ever heard
With "Most Jewish" being used in place of 'most deception'? Israel allows women into fighting roles, and holds sodomite parades. There are many obvious examples of them not being Jewish but those are two glaring ones. The actual Jews of Israel where so pissed about it one of the Orthodox Jews went on a stabbing spree of parade goers. There is a good reason the real Jews view Israel as an abomination towards Judaism

>No wonder you're not observant
I'm not even Jewish, but your definition for what is Jewish is so loose practically anyone or anything seems to qualify. Jew is the eternal boogeyman of your world view which is responsible for everything that goes wrong.

I can understand the appeal of such a view, but it's not valid and will not lead towards solving the underlying problems we face.

>Delay white genocide
If it didn't sink in during the Askenazi parts of the conversation let me be more direct - The phenomenon known as white genocide is majority pushed by whites themselves.

>Real smart plan
So you agree that the idea of 'Jews being to blame/trying to take over the world' does not make sense considering the people you view as Jews actions and suffering the same as the people you view them as targeting?

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Tinder was started by Jews, and is owned by Jews.
OKCupid was started by Jews, and is owned by Jews.
Snapchat was started by Jews, and is owned by Jews.

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>>139933082
>Islam will replace this
Islamic societies are not faring much better then ours. We're just more further along then they are, the west also seems bent on destroying anything around the world which is ruled by anything resembling non-egalitarian society.

>Hinduism
Hinduism is rooted in Vedaism, which itself is a history/story of the conquerors who established the caste system. The moment the caste system was dissolved, is the same moment Hinduism lost it's meaning. Same way Judaism was lost after Solomon and the destruction of the temple.

>Only in India has the Muslim order not been able to take over
The Taj Mahal is an Islamic tomb. Modern Hinduism is no different than modern protestant Christianity too, with thousands of thousands of sects. All lead by a different guru/swami.

>this should give /pol/ a glimpse on how to solve this. you have to go deeper
Yes, and we'll likely have to start either a new religion or a new unifying ideology which adheres to natural law

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>>139934747

The Red Pill (abuse of women) is a Cultural Marxist Jewish plot!
> The Red Pill (abuse of women) is a Cultural Marxist Jewish plot!
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>>139934415
>>139933888

Remember, your shilling makes /pol/ stronger.

>>139934149
>Locke and Christ
If you want to be technical they derive from egalitarianism which goes back to the days of Socrates and Plato upon which the entire system of 'democracy' is based. The problems Socrates points out with democracy continue to reoccur. But the problems of monarchy lead into populist revolutions based on egalitarians. Human history is a back and fourth of rise/success (monarchy/hierarchy) and degenerate/collapse (egalitarianism).

Also, Christ is not a person. Christ is a title, it means anointed/messiah. Moses was a Christ, as where the over 60 other prophets of Abraham religion. Jesus was just one of many who've been given the title of Christ.

The ideas of egalitarianism do not derive from Jesus either. Jesus wanted to restore hierarchy, liberate the Jews and their province of Judea and crown himself king. He wanted to unite the lost sheep of Israel (all the descendants which had gone off to form different nations). He was killed by the Romans after Pontis Pilate was convinced by Herod that he was destined to lead a rebellion against the empire. Much like the other Hebrews at the time wanted to keep the law and where afraid to rebel - the consequences it would have and turned on him. Jesus ultimately failed in his mission, and then his teachings where bastardized by Saul who is considered the first heretic. All the egalitarian attempts to find similarity with Christianity come from Saul's letters who was previously a serial killer who targeted follows of Jesus. Wished Jesus harm, and blasphemed Jesus and his apostles.

>Authority derives from the consent of the governed
No, it derives from the influence and power of the person at the top of the hierarchy. With the understanding of those being ruled over that they are below the man at the top and mutually benefit from the arrangement. A kingdom where the peasants call the shots is destined the fail. Just as our societies have

>>139921404
I already cited most sources. Google yareally archives, there is a nice summary organized by themes. Read whatever you want, you'll learn something.

> It's mostly just guys who you'd see going to Thailand to get their dicks wet.
A lot of the manosphere are bitter losers, I can only agree on this.
You seem to be a level-headed guy, and you are totally right on this too:
> Men guide, women follow/support.

However, this is not accurate
> they still view it through viewing women as men.
A lot of experienced players are extremely insightful, even for olders / smart anons. They have slept with many many women, but that's not the point. A skilled "player" has the tools to keep a wife long term if they want, or to live a live of debauchery.

The most important part is that they have a great insight on human nature, due to thousands of interactions and autistic obsession regarding social relationships. It's hard to put it into words, but many anons could learn a good deal from PUAs. (Again many are shit, but the sources I and other have cited are good).
Also, game and memetics converge at some point, since both are basically a bending of the perception of reality (you could call it "framing"), for different goals (politics / propaganda for one and dealing with females and other humans for the other).

>>139934149
>allow low-born people of extraordinary talents to rise in class
Yes, in a healthy society the cream of the crop are allowed to rise to the top. This however is not our society, the cream of the crop are cut down and the manure growing the crop remain over head - see our current ruling class of celebrities and athletes.

The same issues we see now have been occurring in every decade of this nations history. It was only able to be put off for so long because we kept expanding westward. People of different views just moved out towards different areas.

When we ran out of frontier we put it off by sending the young and politically charged to war. Now that more are around and less are dying we're seeing the fruits of our ideology which have been delayed so many times.

>Self segregation is the polar opposite of Marxism
How do you figure? Marxism is mostly concerned with equality of class. What the people of said class do - live near each other or not, doesn't matter much as far as I'm aware.

>French revolution was organized and run by court Jews
Haven't heard that one, I have heard the one about the French revolution being backed/instigated by British as revenge for their involvement in the American revolution though. Since the American revolution wasn't won by the militiamen or colonial army as Hollywood teaches, but by the French.

>The Louvre Pyramid symbolizes this defeat of the Old Order by the New Order.
Interesting, have a source I could read more on this?

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>>139933888
> Non-practicing Jews are not smart, not in control, and not Jewish
great debate tactic: deny all terms and conditions.

> Daniel Lewin was an Israeli billionaire Mossad secret agent who was allegedly the lead hijacker but the important question is whether he keeps kosher
For someone with high IQ, you're sure lacking in self-awareness

> Lucky Larry Silverstein
not only took out an insurance policy but sued for 2x its value claiming 2 planes = 2 attacks. also said "pull it" with reference to demolishing building 7, had an obviously bullshit excuse for not dying with his kids (they all luckily missed work that day). Glad you agree some Jews are problematic

> fires which raged through Israel caused by ISIS
explain to me again how to light sand on fire.

> daughter heading a company isn't jewish
that's your argument? that making money through business games isn't jewish? try again.

> Can you cite me where I said non-practicing Jews are Jewish?
> Non-practicing /reform "Jews" are the equivalent of saying 5th generation Americans with no ties to Europe, their tribe of it, or language/culture of it are still "Europeans" in the same sense the claim of still being "Jews" is made.
Nice strawman...Jewish cultural traditions obviously persist among non-practicing individuals (similar to American Christian traditions that persist among non-practicing Whites) and Jewish organizations perpetuate tribal feeling and fellowship even among non-practicing Jews. Your argument is more nonsensical than eruv wire.

>>139936060
Fuck it, this post was in answer to this anon :
>>139919797

>>139934149

>Expel the Jews, and the complicated problems suddenly become tractable.
Which is who? So far you view everyone as "Jew" who disagrees with you. If you operate under the understanding that "Jew" is people who adhere to Judaism, then you should realize what you say is inaccurate. It only seems like Jews are everywhere because as I mentioned earlier - The Mediterranean peoples, The Asian peoples, Arab peoples, everyone who is not White or Negro descends from the original Mideastern/Anatolian population we call Jews. It's even down to which one which descended from with it going something like
Mediterranean from Japheth
Arabs from Shem
Asian populations descend from Ham
With the curse of ham being the flat faces and "Asian eye" we now associated with "Asian" peoples.

>i am glad we are effectively communicating
I strive for accuracy, it's the only reason it bothers me when people misuse words.

>For reasons of culture, not superficial appearance
More for superior ability, all though if you're using culture to mean that, then yes. Because of the state of whites, I cannot say with certainty the degree of superiority or what form it takes. that would be evident if those of majority white decent held their own society though.

Have you heard of Nephilim?

>>139935133
To add to the picture you linked here - the reform "Jews" tend to be effeminate and put women on a pedestal similar to the Europeans of the enlightenment/romanticism/victorian era did.

In other words - similar societies all started to fall when they strayed from natural laws. It's not Jews, it's man straying from natural law.

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>>139935428
> Jesus wanted to restore hierarchy and crown himself king.
That's what the Pharisees said.

> Might makes right
It's a matter of perspective. But prosperous societies follow the excellent rules laid down by the Founding Fathers. The Bill of Rights is non-negotiable and divinely-given.

>>139936062
> celebrities and athletes are ruling class
top kek. celebrities are working class. CEOs are middle class relative to old money. look up the "3-ladder system of social class in the usa" essay by Michael Church. It got shoah'd by some rich Jews but it's still in archives and my air-gapped backups.

> Marxism is mostly concerned with equality of class which has nothing to do with segregation.
lol, segregation allows successful people to keep out the criminal underclass. Marxism robs the successful people in the name of the poor for the benefit of the mostly-Jewish political organizer class that remains behind the scenes.

> When we ran out of frontier we put it off by sending the young and politically charged to war.
who's "we"?

> Louvre Pyramid has 666 panes
google it. a few of the panes are joined internally even though they appear to be separate.

> everyone is Jewish, goy, so plez 2 not into shoah
bro, I am bursting with Christ's love...but one day the normies will realize that Mossad did 9/11. It might be wise to be in China when that happens.

> Nephilim
Could be interesting if there was more evidence; as it is it's an insane-sounding distraction from the ongoing genocide of my family.

I, my brothers, and a bunch of my relatives are childless at this point, and risk remaining so. Many of my relatives' families are just 1 kid. White Genocide is real. Other problems are a distraction.

And The Red Pill is an obvious Jewish psyop to get White Men to fail to breed.

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>>139936827

> blame men for not abusing women
lesson learned. let's not do that again.

>>139936060
>However this is not accurate
>they still view it through viewing women as men
Yes I do not deny it could very well be inaccurate. I do not explore the magnetosphere much because of what I had read gave that impression. I do have friends who're in the magnosphere/share stuff from it/hold it's ideology firmly so my view of it is mostly reflected in that.

The reality of the nature of women requires men to realize women truly have no power over them. Which can be hard to accept if the whole reason they started to question the sameness of genders was due to a negative experience. It can make them feel like they're to blame for the hardship they experiences thus want to believe women are like men but not like men, and refuse to go the full way towards truth.

>The most important part is that they have a great insight on human nature, due to thousands of interactions and autistic obsession regarding social relationships.
I agree with this, as I would on many other cultures that get a few pieces of the picture right but not necessarily the assembly of the full puzzle. I don't doubt that people of the manosphere may just have a 'eh, fuck it' kind of reaction even if they went the whole way though which could explain their unwillingness to apply the information fully.

>Many anons could learn a good deal from PUAs
I agree, it is a good source, but not go the full way

My personal goal is to complete the puzzle/picture from all the assorted pieces I've gathered. The more I learn the harder the mental strain is though, the more confused and lost I feel on what exactly to do with it.

My general goal which keeps my grounded is to use the information to try and do my part towards creating a society which will stand the test of time and not succumb to the same results of past societies.

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>>139936575

> who is a Jew
I am a good, lawful Christian who is overflowing with love for all people.

check out the Nuremberg Laws for one approach of determining who is a jew

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>>139905047
Read all three of his books as well as a lot of his blog. I would also highly recommend Chateau Heartiste (referenced in the book) as a good source as well.

He is right, I am like you and was always (((((((misogynistic)))))). The topics covered in the book have been well understood by men for thousands of years. Depending on your age and development I would highly recommend his other book (Preventative Medicine).

And hypergamy is hard coded in women. It is why men have developed the way we have. Women have selected for these traits for eons.

Check this video out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz37v2m0vZI

He talks about how humans have twice as many female ancestors vs male ancestors. Chew on that

>>139936151
>Non-practicing Jews are not smart, not in control and Not Jewish
Not really what I was saying, I was trying to show you the inconsistency of your claims.
>Jews are genius and are responsiable for all that's wrong and bad
>But they're also so stupid they cannot even teach their own children to not fall for the propaganda meant for the people they're trying to be evil towards

>The important question is whether he keeps kosher
Yes because the whole reason you think he's relevant is your claim that he's Jewish/proof of organized Jewish plot

>not only took out an insurance policy but sued for 2x its value claiming 2 planes = 2 attacks
Do you have court documents or references to this so I can read more about it in the future?

>Glad you agree some Jews are problematic
I agree that our history is filled with lies, that tribalism and competing families are often behind the scenes. I disagree that it's "Jews" or that it's all connected to a single group of "Jews" bent on our destruction.

>Sand on fire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2016_Israel_fires

>that's your argument? that making money through business games isn't jewish?
No, my argument is that actual Judaism holds women in subservient roles. Having Ivanka lead anything is akin to if Trump Jr was a sodomite and Trump promoted him while claiming to support LGBT.

>Non-practicing /reform "Jews" are the equivalent of saying 5th generation Americans with no ties to Europe, their tribe of it, or language/culture of it are still "Europeans" in the same sense the claim of still being "Jews" is made.
My analogy was meant to illustrate that they where not Europeans, but Americans at that point.

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>>139937521

>My personal goal is to complete the puzzle/picture from all the assorted pieces I've gathered. The more I learn the harder the mental strain is though, the more confused and lost I feel on what exactly to do with it.

>My general goal which keeps my grounded is to use the information to try and do my part towards creating a society which will stand the test of time and not succumb to the same results of past societies.

to save secular jewry (a worthy goal, as their high IQ produced many Nobel-winning scientists)...the jewry must return to tradition, racial respect, and natural law. this will be difficult transition to make for a culture so steeped in the habits of diaspora....but the social forms of the old Victorian empires make great works possible and (with modern technologies) ensure prosperity for all.

Good luck, anon. We're all gonna need it.

God Bless America.

>>139936151
>Jewish cultural traditions obviously persist among non-practicing individuals
>American Christian traditions that persist among non-practicing Whites
Closest non-practicing may get is wearing a 'star of David(which is not star of David, David had no star, it's seal of Solomon) or going to temple. Try finding a large amount of non-practicing "Jews" that even know Hebrew.

Much like American "Christians" often know little to nothing about Christianity, much less even opened up one of their watered down and misinterpreted bibles in a language farther away from the language of Jesus then Arabic.

>Jewish organizations perpetuate tribal feeling and fellowship even among non-practicing Jews
Sure in the same way Polish, Italian, or other organizations might.

>>139937177
>That's what the Pharisees said
No it's what the prophecy he was claiming to fulfill said. The Pharisee's rejected him because they didn't think he meet the description given. He often carelessly went against the laws of Mosses while telling people to abide by them. They had the reaction that people in this day an age might of someone claimed to be the Messiah. They looked for inconsistency in his language vs behavior obsessively and denied his claim based upon it.

>But prosperous societies follow the excellent rules laid down by the Founding Fathers.
No society with egalitarianism at it's core is currently or has ever succeeded. They all rot like ours are now. Also see above, the USA even during the first presidential administration was starting to fall apart already.

>The Bill of Rights is non-negotiable and divinely-given
Our federal constitution has been modified many times over the years. It doesn't really matter if you think it's good or not, our society is on it's way down either way.

There isn't really an argument for what's divine or not too. My personal belief is that our entire reality is an experiment, like a petri dish in another realities table. That our sun is like the light of a microscope to observe us, that the souls of the beings of our reality are individuals from this other world(s) who send a piece of themselves to our vessels to operate in said experiment.

My personal view is that religions where handed down as a way to guide the peoples of this reality towards success. The lessons of religions coincide with observations of natural laws which govern our worlds.

>Celebrities are working class
Depends how you're defining 'working class', by traditional definitions they'd be 'upper class'.
>CEOs are middle class relative to old money
Most wealth goes away within 1-3 generations, look at the kids of Soros or Rothschilds. The likelihood of them succeeding without hiring people to do it for them is low .

>>139937177
>"3-ladder system of social class in the usa" essay by Michael Church
Only two links which seemed to come up where reddit, is this what you're talking about?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4t3lsv/the_3ladder_system_of_social_class_in_the_us/

>segregation allows successful people to keep out the criminal underclass
>Marxism
>Criminal underclass

Segregation in the early American colonies/USA though was mostly along ideological grounds rather then class.

>Marxism robs the successful people in the name of the poor
Marxism seems to make all equal, that's basically it. The 'robbing' people bit happens during the 'transnational phase' where power is concentrated in the hands of a few before it's supposed to be dissolved (but never is, because the ideology of egalitarianism is fundamentally against natural law)

>who's "we"?
Check my flag, I was speaking of American history.

>Louvre Pyramid has 666 panes
Is that the only reason?
>The Number of the Beast (Greek: Ἀριθμὸς τοῦ θηρίου, Arithmos tou Thēriou) is a term in the Book of Revelation, of the New Testament, that is associated with the Beast of Revelation in chapter 13.[1] In most manuscripts of the New Testament and in English translations of the Bible, the number of the beast is 666. Papyrus 115 (which is the oldest preserved manuscript of the Revelation as of 2017), as well as other ancient sources like Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus, give the Number of the Beast as 616 (χιϛ), not 666;[2][3] critical editions of the Greek text, such as the Novum Testamentum Graece, note 616 as a variant.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast

>Christ's love?
Which one?

>That Mossad did 9/11
I really wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, could be USS liberty 2.0. It wouldn't really make much of a difference though, many major incidents which lead the USA into war where lies.

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>>139939221
Gotta go m8 but good luck out there. remember that zero-sum games are always evil and you'll do alright.

>>139939830
>>"3-ladder system of social class in the usa" essay by Michael Church
yeah that's the one. funny to see it reposted on trp since only a fat beta would reach sufficient autism to write it.

what do you think of it? all i can say is it seems to fit what is going on.

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>>139939830
>>Louvre Pyramid has 666 panes
>Is that the only reason?
conspiracy theories are a desperate mix of lies and guesswork. that's all i can really say.

>>139937177
>Could be interesting if there was more evidence
Read the book of Enoch if you have the time/interest. I recently came to the conclusion that whites are Nephilim, that the characteristics we call 'white' came from beings we call 'angels' who mated with the humans (anyone non-white or Negro). Making all 'whites' descendants of these 'divine' beings, and humans. (with Negros being animals or descendants of the fallen angels). One of the curses of the Nephilim is that they would forever be drawn towards fighting each other and bringing about their own destruction. But that they would have greater strength and knowledge from their divine ancestry.

>I, my brothers, and a bunch of my relatives are childless at this point
As long as you stay clean, avoid severely mutagenic environmental influences. You should be able to produce healthy offspring well past your 20s/30s. Don't give up the idea of having a very large family in the future, don't destroy your health over the false idea of not being able to pass on your genes. Always strive for self improvement and try to do it

>Many of my relatives' families are just 1 kid
It's tied to the removal of women from the home, same reason Japan is experiencing reduced birth rates. Same reason every nation which brings women out of the home experienced reduced birth rates. It's all tied together

>White genocide is real
It's actually more like suicide

>Other problems are a distraction
Most other problems which grab attention are symptoms stemming from the same problems as the low birth rate. Obesity for example started becoming a major problem because women stopped cooking healthy home cooked meals.

>>139937495
>Not abusing
You don't need to abuse (if by abuse you mean hit and such) just guide. Be consistent, firm, have ambition

>>139940353
I'll re-read the book of Enoch.

> don't destroy your health over the false idea of not being able to pass on your genes. Always strive for self improvement and try to do it
Can you say a little more? Not sure where you're going with this. Seems like an argument for delaying kids even more...when there's a point when delay is no longer profitable and it's time to burn my future hopes to get children right away.

>who is overflowing with love for all people.
Loving all peoples rather then just your own first before others will just cause needless suffering on your part. This doesn't mean you have to hate them, just that you put yours first. Societies are composed of families competing for higher spots on the class hierarchy. If your family gives away all it's wealth to others, it's weakness, and your family dies. If you work in your families best interest and rise above the others, you do more good for all by guiding them on how to succeed by example. A society is both tied to individual merit, and collectivist success. In order for the collective (who is composed of many families, which is composed of many individual men guiding them) to succeed the families and their individuals must.

>Nuremberg laws
The trials where largely a shame, and I've read the confessions drawn by torture. If I'm not mistaken they did not even hide the fact that it was a show trial not based on objective investigation and evidence too.

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>>139940353
>>White genocide is real
>It's actually more like suicide
it's illegal to ban the mass media.....

>>139940668
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>>139905047
Because I grew up with a father so I don't need some random to tell me how to be a man

>>139940668
>>Nuremberg laws
>The trials where largely a sham
The laws, not the trials. The laws were racist and terrible...

> If your family gives away all it's wealth to others, it's weakness, and your family dies.
This is why /pol/ is great. I earnestly believed the Christian memes that I should treat others the way I would wish to be treated. As a result I failed to meet my potential despite training myself up pretty well. If you don't mind can you say a little more about where you found these beliefs? I mean, I can read more Nietzche and less Plato and no Kant, but...I suspect you learned these ideas with your first children's stories. Please don't doxx yourself, but I am very interested in better understanding this part of my heritage...any children's stories that I might not have read since my grandmother's family turned Anglo and forgot the old ways....

>>139940591
You could do sorogacy I'm not the guy you were talking too tho. You could pick a 6 foot 5 tall girl with desired IQ and looks.

>>139940746
lucky for you emu-bro. my dad was an introvert. at least he wasn't an introvert engineer.

>>139938233
>a worthy goal, as their high IQ produced many Nobel-winning scientists
Yes, the high average IQ of the Ashkenazi is largely due to historic eugenics (at least that seems the most likely explanation). Since they where merchant classes which formed mini societies within the empires they would call home. Most Ashkenazi last names are taken from words for geographical land marks in the language of the surrounding people they lived with. For example, a common Polish-Jewish name basically just means 'hill' in Polish. Otherwise it may be tied to existing town names of the time. The eugenics was due to the fact that as merchants, only those with talent could be afforded to buy/survive. The reason Askenazi where kicked out historically is due to being a separate society within the kingdom, the monarch saw their kingdom's wealth be lost (and not taxed). When they all fled to and found homes in Poland. Long term there was class separation even within the Askenazi communities themselves. Where is where the sect of Hasidic came about (the poorer Askenazi).

>Good luck, anon. We're all gonna need it.
Thank you, I really appreciate it. Honestly years ago before I started down this path for truth I was massively depressed, thought of nothing but killing myself constantly. I thought the only thing that would keep me here was having a purpose, and that was the purpose I came up with. Years later it's still keeps me grounded/motivated. But I think accepting the idea of death a long time ago also might of helped get me this far through all of the lies upon lies upon lies our societies ate soaked in.

I do believe that new societies will be born of the old, that we will overcome the current rot for a better tomorrow.

>>139939974
Good night anon, thank you for the conversation, I found it very enjoyable. Don't give up on your dream of having a large healthy family or on living to see a better world in which to raise your kids. It will happen, we'll make it happen
>>139940208
>what do you think of it?
Can't say, if I read through the full thing and give it the attention it deserves the thread will probably time out before I can give you a proper reply. I'm going to bookmark to read through later on along with a few other books and things mentioned in the thread

>conspiracy theories are a desperate mix of lies and guesswork
True, it's up to us to sort through what has accuracy or not

>>139940591
>Can you say a little more? Not sure where you're going with this.
It relates to something I mentioned earlier in the thread which relates to one reason why women's value is more connected towards what they don't do. While men is towards what they do do. Men constantly produce new sperm, so if they smoke a cigarette one day, but never again. The mutagenic damage that may of been done to their seed can be fixed via existing DNA repair mechanisms. While women who have the same eggs for life. Are more likely to accumulate harmful mutations in their eggs over time. It's my personal theory that this is why older women tend to have a higher chance of less healthy babies. However, if I'm right, this would mean that younger girls also have equally as great chance if they are exposed to equal amounts of mutagens now that previously may of taken a life time for women.

In other words - as a man, you have more freedom/ability to have healthy offspring. Just make sure you stay clean though(drug free/away from evironmental mutagens)

>Seems like an argument for delaying kids even more
Nah, just that men can generally afford to wait to accumulate resources if they desire

>when there's a point when delay is no longer profitable and it's time to burn my future hopes to get children right away.
There is plenty of opportunity in our failing society thankfully, and as more people are sick of the ideology of the established companies. Practically every sector will be available to take their consumers. We can be both profitable and ethical towards building a better future

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>>139941555
best wishes for the future, anonbro. not everyone will make it, but you might. remember, the more you struggle the less you despair.

>>139940980
>Nuremberg laws
Ahh my mistake, I should probably be heading to bed soon too.

>The two laws were the Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour, which forbade marriages and extramarital intercourse between Jews and Germans and the employment of German females under 45 in Jewish households, and the Reich Citizenship Law, which declared that only those of German or related blood were eligible to be Reich citizens; the remainder were classed as state subjects, without citizenship rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws

>The laws were racist and terrible
I do wonder what their criteria was for 'Jew', I have read that it wasn't uncommon to abduct children - even of claimed "Jews" who had more 'white' features and raise them German. I will not say that the efforts of Nazi Germany where negative until I have sufficient data that their end game was not worth the cost of what they did. But I can't know if it was until I'm able to know the inherent qualities of majority 'white' ancestry

>I earnestly believed the Christian memes that I should treat others the way I would wish to be treated
Most doctrine of modern Christianity is based upon either taking sections out of context, or misinterpretations. Two common ones is the wearing of a cross. It's connected to Jesus saying 'take your cross and follow me' but he's referring to burden, take your burden and follow him down his path. Not literally taking a cross to wear. Just as the 'virgin Mary' is a mistreatment of a Hebrew word which is more accurately 'young maiden/girl' Mary was a young girl, probably 10-12yrs old. The bible speaks of Jesus's brother's and sisters too, the church just skirts it or denies it depending upon your denomination.

The thou salt not kill murder is within the context of not spilling 'innocent blood' not to avoid killing all together / in general. As earlier it issues death sentences for certain wrong doings and speaks of tribes waging 'holy' war.

>>139940980
>If you don't mind can you say a little more about where you found these beliefs?
Everything I've written in this thread is connected to the conclusions I've come to from everything I've read up until this point. My original study was in ancient civilizations, then in occultism/religions, then in biology. Which is what lead into the study of 'racial differences' then back to philosophy, back to religion, history, back to biology, etc There is still quite a lot I don't know, and quite a lot I want to contribute.

>With your first children's stories
Can't say I did, I was a child genius, but I mostly read on my own or received information from spiritual experiences I had at the time which was what lead me to seek out occultism to try and make sense of my experiences.

>>139942003
Thank you, I wish you the best in your and your families future too anonbro.

>The more you struggle the less you despair
Yes, to struggle is to live

>>139905047
Unsure about the book but I'm 32 and in my experience women are nothing but walking cum buckets

>>139905047
lol

>>139905047
this book was kinda garbage

>>139905047
Rollo is correct on all points of descriptive theory. You should evaluate his normative points according to your own goals and values.