Political ramifications of proof of life after death?

>>139890437
>How far would oligarchs and nation states go to make sure such proof never made it into the public knowledge?
You assume that they won't be killing themselves too

>>139890437
There is life after death tho. Just in continuously different forms. In a way you die and become reborn every moment. There is no definite "you", thus making "death" quite the abstraction.

>>139890935

A logical assumption, as they would have the most to lose from dying in most cases if the evidence was just survival of consciousness. Everything else would still be an unknown. So most would more desperately than ever cling to staying alive, to avoid either progressing to a 'new' state where they are not in power or authority, and essential needing to start over. Or avoid being reincarnated as one of the normal folk.

>>139891065
Deep as fuck man. I figured out the same when I took three hits of LSD and ecstasy and Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed all materialized to tell me that I have no soul, that human existence is an illusion and that we are all one.

>>139890437
>So tomorrow, actual scientific evidence establishes, that life after death is a reality. That by some measure, consciousness leaves the body for some other form of existence.

source?

>>139890437
>Do normies start committing mass suicide to 're-roll' in this life because they now nihilistically can assume they were born with the odds against them for getting what oligarchs and others told them to toil their life away chasing?
That would be funny as fuck to watch.

>>139891336
What makes you think they don't already believe in life after death and some form of karma? I don't think most billionaires are philanthropists at random. Look at Bloomberg saying "if heaven exists, I'll get in from my work on gun control" for the most basic example.

Why does there HAVE to be life after death, your current conscious has been dead for billions of years, and will be dead until the universe ends when you die. Why do people believe that their current consciousness is special? nature shows us that life is expendable, me, you, all of us aren't special. You can dance, sing? not special. Your memories? not special. There is nothing particularly special about our hard wired descended ape like consciousness. Perhaps you will experience "life" in ways you can't even fathom, but you won't even be you. Perhaps this is why religion was formed, the thought of your consciousness being expendable is too much to bare.

>>139890437
this is not a thing, almost nobody will commit mahjong because they think they will be born again, least of all "normies"

>>139891336
I'd add that promoting multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and immigration are easy ways for the elite to attempt to morally absolve themselves for their 'exploitation' of the masses. Increasing their profits at the same time makes it the easiest choice.

>>139891830

Because there is a huge leap in believing, in the vacuum of scientific certainty. And a definitive answer on their being some form of life after death.

>>139891065
We're not even sure if you're the same you when you sleep and wake up in the morning.

Why do people have trouble rationalizing that they are nothing but a chunk of raw meat with electrical signals moving through it?

>>139891486

You shouldn't always listen to hallucinations. Especially those of pedophile warlords.

>>139891635
t. brainlet

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>How fucked do things get?
(((they))) made a movie about it
it would have been half decent if they didn't shoehorn a love story into it

>>139892191
In a world filled with mystery and wonder and evil, why would you reduce it to nothing?

>>139892191

How so?

>>139891065
Considering that genetic memory is an established concept I wouldn't be surprised if the ancient religions that believe in reincarnation are correct on some level

>>139892210
But dude, like I read this book where a guy sat under a tree and looked back to the beginning of time but he couldn't see it, so it must not exist. And it seemed pretty cool so when some bearded guy comes to me in a hallucination telling me this, how can it not be true?

>>139891065

THIS. I look forward to my existence as dirt. After all, I spent billions of years as it.

>>139892140
This is really making me think.

vladmodels are still illegal, even when zombified.

>>139892892
You're still dirt, just a slightly different substrate of it at the quantum level.

>>139893335
>a square is a circle

>>139890437
>consciousness leaves the body
consciousness is not in the body. it is universal. body is just the antenna

>>139893557
nice assumption

>>139890437
Death does not exist. Death is at the root of all escapist fantasies of the human mind. Humanity has spent all their existence attempting to apply such concepts as nothingness and void to the heights of Life, Death, Rebirth, and God.

This hypothetical death that is idealized as the absolute termination of all existence, where you, I, and all do not exist, is merely the ultimate fantasy that s enabled after years of emotional suffering and pain.

You shall never experience the Death that you desire. There is no off of the train of existence.

You exist as long as God exists.

To think about it differently, you probably don't want to be limited by your current consciousness. We are descendants of apes, while we exhibit high intelligence relative to other apes, I'd love to be able to be a 3 cubic gallon headed green alien, that consciousness would probably be even better. More power, more storage for memory, more emotions, etc.
It's evolution of consciousness, the mind and body that nature is pursuing. I'd rather not be trapped in human consciousness form, but the final form.

>>139893659
consciousness ceases at the moment of death though

>>139893751
That is nothing but a dream. Consciousness or not, you still exist. The yearning of humanity is the termination of all things, including consciousness.

>>139893473
I'm just taking his faith-based assumptions to their logical conclusion.

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already happened
quantum microtubules in the brain

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140116085105.htm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4311932/Can-solve-chess-puzzle-no-AI-crack.html

>>Dr Hameroff told the Science Channel's Through the Wormhole documentary: 'Let's say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing, the microtubules lose their quantum state.
>'The quantum information within the microtubules is not destroyed, it can't be destroyed, it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large.
>'If the patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules and the patient says "I had a near death experience".'
>He adds: 'If they're not revived, and the patient dies, it's possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body, perhaps indefinitely, as a soul.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2225190/Can-quantum-physics-explain-bizarre-experiences-patients-brought-brink-death.html#ixzz4rSz0Nsxi

But it's hard to understand and the evidence can only be so conclusive so... I don't know, most people I talk to don't seem interested and it puzzles me as to why. Seems pretty interesting, the possibility at least.

gift of god is eternal life.

weeeeeeeeeee

>implying there is a god

>>139894288
My man.

>>139893659
You amplify my pain, brother

>>139893659

wtf do muslims know

>>139892140
I have always thought this.

>>139892778
Time does have a beginning though. Obviously your Muhammad vision is literally Satan.

>>139892655
We wuz assassins n shit

>>139892140
>>139892983
>We're not even sure if you're the same you when you sleep and wake up in the morning.
i think you are, as a sum of past experiences, rebooting from a suspended state, a pause not an off setting. also there's the quantum microtubule thing, whatever happens to you there's an entangled quantum record it seems. i think i've heard that a quantum state once created cannot be destroyed? something like that. here's some sources, interesting stuff, and there are plenty better sources out there too.
>>139894247

>>139894949


>Obviously your Muhammad vision is literally Satan.

Please put that on a T-shirt XDD

>>139894949
Dude stop negging my vibe, all religions are the same.

>>139894964
hol up

>>139890437
It would be suppressed so that no one knows that sacrificial magics work.

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>>139890437
>How far would oligarchs and nation states go to make sure such proof never made it into the public knowledge?

as far as it takes, anon

>>139894247
If the quantum microtubules are entangled with other quantum particles, the information is shared across dimensions/space/time. This explains the Holy Spirit.

>>139890437
There is a movie on Netflix called The Discovery that explores this theme. Basically tons of people commit suicide, the murder rate skyrockets, and bizarre cults form. All of that seems relatively realistic

In one way i want an afterlife

In an other way i want to reborn as something else

And i wouldn't mind actual death.

>>139895249

hnng

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>>139890437
What kind of afterlife does Anon want?

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>>139890437
>That by some measure, consciousness leaves the body for some other form of existence.
How the fuck do you measure that?

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>>139890437
we'll only learn and comprehend such a thing if we make the right choices now when it comes to progress and the future, so as to advance to the next stage where such information is now enabled to us. I don't know what the right choices are though lol

>>139891065
I think therefore i am biiiiitch

>>139895614
it has perhaps already been measured
>>139894247

quantum entanglement, with microtubules in the neurons. real shit. but the implications are still largely conjecture. but it seems promising, it is evidence to suggest life after death is a possibility, that there is some mechanism in place that could exist to enable that.

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Love this thread. I have always said that your soul was a subatomic construct that persists after you die.

The bittersweet truth of that is even suicide is no escape from your choices. You WILL experience the aftermath of life after you are gone.

>>139895249
who the fuck is thiiiiis

>>139895474
>In one way i want an afterlife
>In an other way i want to reborn as something else

Wouldn't it be nice if you got a choice in what you experience next? More so if you could keep your memories, or at least enough to carry out whatever intentions you had when making your choice.

For example, if you opted to reincarnate and be particularly gifted in playing the violin but can't carry over even the memory of that intent to become a famous violinist then you may go through your life without ever discovering your chosen talent.

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>>139895582

One where justice comes for degeneracy.

Actually, no. I'd settle for waking up to being outside the simulation this universe is. And even if that is just another simulation layer up, I'd be alright with it.

>>139890437
more of this set?

>>139895948
I would only reincarnate if i got the choice of what i would become.

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>>139890437
>>139891065
>>139891635
>>139891830
>>139892006
>>139893557
>>139893659

quantum entangled microtubules in the brain
BEHOLD!
>>139894247
The evidence you've been looking for, at the very least it suggests the possibility of life after death and an observed mechanism in place that makes that possible. Do your own research of course, there have been a few studies done.

>>139890437
Death was defeated on the cross. This you will find out after the Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation. Then comes the 1000 year reign, and those who do not belong to the Lord will get the second, or spiritual final death in the day of the fire.

>>139896271

I probably would regardless, as long as I remained human. I'm sure whatever's next is absolutely amazing, but assuming at least my soul can grow and remember the lives I walk on this earth, just one isn't enough to even scratch the surface.

But then again who's to say I haven't already lived hundreds of times? It's something only my soul could really decide, assuming you do regain all mortal memories after death.

>>139895840
well it seems you might be right

I hope theres redemption for monsters like me

>>139897260
i dunno, based on what i think the soul might be, that quantum microtubule thing i mentioned, it would seem after death you probably either get entangled in some new physical body or you're just frozen. and it would seem, i would think, that to be re-entangled in the physical world, would require an exact physical copy of your microtubules to entangle into. and that might not be possible, or it might require a god if it was.

who knows, we can only speculate.

>>139895249

>>139895562
>>139895860

Jess...

>>139897415
probably, what you are now probably matters a lot more then what you were. i would assume

>>139897719
Thanks, leaf. You're alright.

I try my best but I break.

>>139897676
yes, jessica southern, younger sister of lauren southern.

>>139897843
pobodys nerfect

>>139897577
>and that might not be possible, or it might require a god if it was.

Something to work towards, then, assuming I keep the sense of mind to even know I wanted to try.

>>139898115
yeah that's a good point, i've just been assuming it's a thing that happens or something. but maybe you do have to earn it if there's a god involved as it seems plausible there would be for that mechanism of quantum microtubules to work in that way

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>>139892655
>14:37:44 / 55

Checked

>>139893659
delet

>>139897881
Other way around, friend. Also, photoshop. But still not bad.
Not bad at all...

>>139892655
indeed, epigenetics
apparantly people whose parents grew up starving may end up fat simply because the gene for fat production was activated by the starved life of the mothers childhood. like how audrey hepburn had fat kids. and that many different stresses and factors can influence genetics. and that the accumulated genetic changes over a families history across many generations has a deep effect both physically in the body and in the brain.

>>139898894
i thought those hips were a bit wide
she shoops well

>>139890437
There is no such thing as 100% efficient transfer of energy.

You will be LESSER after death.

>>139898445
>quantum
Did someone say quantum?

HOMEWORLD

I'll open up a tab with /v/ now

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>>139894247
I'm really quite surprised more people aren't already talking about this. It's the closest evidence to life after death thus far discovered. I wouldn't call it proof, but it's certainly intriguing. I would think this information would spread like wildfire but so far few people know.

>>139898445

Yep, there's a whole lot of unknowns here. We'll see when we see, I'm in no rush to find out firsthand. There's not even a guarantee of any choices involved in reincarnation beyond if you'd like to or not, assuming we're even given that option to mull over. I'd still likely agree to be reborn, but I realize that I may not even maintain the same quality of life that I've enjoyed so far. I could very well end up a street-shitter. Or it might not even matter, as I might fall to SIDS shortly after birth even if I did end up in the west again.

>>139899684
I think her shoops are mostly airbrush, but there is some accentuation here and there

>>139900248
the way i see it doesn't suggest reincarnation is possible at all in the usual sense of the word. it's quantum entanglement, it can only happen with a perfect microtubile neuron physical copy of the quantum information you're trying to re-entangle. maybe.

>>139895948
I'd be a porn star female taking bbc on blacked (dot)com

>>139891719
No one says that it gets better after death.
Maybe it just gets even worse with no way out

>>139894247
What disturbs me isn't the possibility of life after death, but rather what exactly that life will be. It's like 4chan: You're there forever. So I'd like some understanding of what I'm inevitably getting into. Christianity gives painstaking detail about what Hell is like, but there's virtually no talk about what Heaven is like. What do you do there? What is the point? Everyone just says "You'll be with God and eternally happy!" Okay, but what does that mean? Is it like being high on opioids 24/7? Is it like a huge MMO lobby where you can talk to anyone who has ever died?

I just don't get it, and I don't think I can ask these kinds of questions with a priest without being seen as some kind of atheist unbeliever or something.

>>139892191
because muh "hard problem of consciousness"

>>139896523
The guy who popped off with that shit is a moron who doesnt even work in the field of physics and despite claiming his opinions as facts has never been able to prove or provide evidence for any of his claims aside from simply assuring people that its true cuz he said so.

Stop worshipping any random dumbass who add the word "quantum" to something. I swear to god, you faggots are worse than the trans humanists who earnestly believe the same government that doesnt want them to own handguns or unmonitored internet connections is going to allow them to have cybernetic super powers.

>>139900837
i don't think there's any way to know. i'm sure lots of people have theories. i'm not religious so i haven't thought much about it. but probably many religious philosphers throught the centuries have written about what they speculate heaven might be like. philosophy is one of the only tools we have to form speculations on here.

>>139890437
I doubt much would change. Saying something exists is a far cry from actually having any detailed information about it. If that life after death were some sort of paradise I could see people necking themselves to get there faster. But just "something exists" isn't enough to make any sort of decision on.

There is a movie on netflix about that. I forgot the name, but robert redford acts in it IIRC

>>139901203
that's just one guys idea of how it works. there is solid science behind it. and also realm for speculation. you can read the studies and come up with your own ideas. i linked one study there, but others have been done.

i never said the dude was right, i specifically said it is unproven but intriguing suggestion.

but i guess i'm worshipping a random dumbass because he said quantum and now believe everything he says 100% sure

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>>139896644
Jesus is a myth. All Gods are created by man.

>>139901694
wow, i'm sure you totally converted him on the spot to atheism. he's never heard anything like that before and now you've really made him think.

as far as i can tell you're both making unproven assertions and speculations, as i am, and yet you recognize it as fact.

>>139890437
Every Muslim becomes a jihadi overnight

>>139901517
Heres the dumbest thing you can do with quantum physics: scale it up to macrophysics.

Yes, quarks can do wierd shit. Travel in two directions of time at once, exist in two places at once, posess no mass and phase through eachother, transmit "information" across space and time.

But assuming such structures and abilities scale up to even the size of molecules is simply idiotic. The particles are able to do what they do because they posess almost zero mass, or no mass, or are so small the amount of energy required to overcome some fundamental thresholds within the universe are tiny.

The majority of quantum cultism is simply taking something a tiny itty bitty particle with negative mass charged with retard levels of energy can do and say that it can apply to macrostructures like the human brain.

You just gotta buy his book and DVD set for only 3 payments of $29.99 to find out how.

Then all the new age faggots who want to feel intelligent and adopt a belief system that doesnt require them to put forth any effort or moral comittment jump all over it.

Atheists are actually very close minded for thinking there isn't an afterlife because they've never seen proof.

>>139902446
That which cannot be proven is not worth debate. It will just turn into a pissing contest over who feels the most strongly about it.

Frankly most of the athiests I know desperatley need there to be no higher moral authority to feel more secure with the horrible mess that is thier life.

Converseley most theists I meet equally desperatley need their particular idea of god to exist in order to redeem them from the utterly horrible mess thier life turned out to be.

Athiesm is as much a religion as any religion. It comes from the same curse all humans carry in which they are not capable of understanding how or why things happen and so need to invent a working theory of how and why. This defense mechanism only works if you can somehow convince the rest of humanity to believe it, so were stuck with the two shrieking at eachother like scared monkeys until the time finally comes when we figure it out.

>>139890437
>So tomorrow, actual scientific evidence establishes, that life after death is a reality.
is this a thought experiment or is something actually going to be presented tomorrow? scientific evidence already exists btw.

>>139903155
>That which cannot be proven is not worth debate.
prove you love your mother

>>139893659
>talks about fantasy
>literally invents a bunch of unsubstantiated nonsense about god and afterlife

Just because you die in a peaceful manner doesnt mean you "pass on" your thoughts remind me of niggers.

>>139903483
Nice try. I hate my mom and can easily prove it. I had her comitted to a psych ward and have refused to speak with her since 2010.

Love is equally easy to prove as hate.

>>139903735

.... do you also keep a katana under your trenchcoat to remind yourself how on the edge you are anon?

when you die, you remain dead until the universe dies and is reborn until your current consciousness comes back in a similar or same form. Things might be different, humans have blue skin or your name is Joshua, but you're alive again.

Screenshot this, so you can screenshot it again next cycle.

>>139899113
>audrey hepburn had fat kids
They don't look fat to me, moron bro.

>>139905878
Prove it.

>>139890437
No said you will be reborn. And if so who said you have to be reborn a human ever again?

>>139894802
What "surrendering to God" truly means. Not all of us, though.

>>139905878
>Things might be different, humans have blue skin or your name is Joshua, but you're alive again.

>He hasn't contracted argyria by regularly taking colloidal silver to become the blueman master race.
>He hasn't changed his name to one more suited for the blueman master race than what his parents gave him.

Step up your game, Alex.

>>139902446
Atheism, at the core of it, is the embodiment and manifestation of the desire to be an opponent to God.

If you ask an Atheist, "where did all of those atoms and stuff come from?" they either say "I do not know", or "There must've been a greater force".

They admit that there is a greater force, but somehow "refuse to believe" in God, although God is this greater force.

At the core of it, it is not based on logic or science. It is the unconscious desire to be an opponent to God, manifest. Translated and interpreted by our self.

>>139890437
Spamming through roles until you find one you like completely ruins the point of random-roleplay and will get you banned from this server.

>>139890437
Wasn't this a movie?

>>139905878
Heaven and Hell is the state of the reborn self. you don't have to be reborn if the universe is recreated. Another creation shall follow, if possible.

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>>139904935
Nope. .45 and a 12 guage cuz my neighbors are meth heads.

>>139890437
>when the brap does bad

>>139891065
>Alan Watts comes back to life to shitpost /pol/
>>139890437
>Do normies start committing mass suicide to 're-roll' in this life
Maybe.
Did the Gauls?
The Gallic confederation all believed in reincarnation and a dualism type world. When you died in this world you were born into the next, when you died in the next you were born back into this one.
No one committed suicide to re roll though.

>>139894636
There is a joy to nihilism, my brother. Look around you. There is nothing holding you back from being the man you can become.

>>139890437
The soul should exist. Yet no one, even not a PhD scientist can find that particle. It has no mass, if it has mass, it should be a gorillionth of a photon.
It comes free from the human body and travels to another body about to be born.

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>>139890437
>How fucked do things get?
Not fucked. More like FANTASTIC!

>>139907400
There's a whole lot of baseless assumption in that post of yours.

>>139907793
nice swastika you fucking coward

It's quantum, I ain't gotta explain shit.

>>139908724
The sapien is not meant to understand. He is perfect as he is now.

>>139896523
Go away frank...

>>139908924
If you say so, buddy.

>>139908218
Most cultures with reincarnation beliefs dont believe in the idea of killing yourself to re-roll. Its almost universally seen as cowardly and usually is attached to some kind of hell or realm of punishment for cowardly squandering your opportunity to achieve something or rise above morally.

In the cultures that DO have "re-roll" style sucide its almost always at the end of the persons life or under very specific ritualistic conditions. For instance in india old men often become wandering beggars until they reach the banks of the ganges, there they have somebody break thier legs (so as to not be able to leave if they have second thoughts) and then sit down and wait to die.

Alternatley theres the common pagan tradition of servants and wives volunteering to die on thier master/husbands funeral pyre so as to ascend to a honoured place of favor in the afterlife.

Mass suicide just really isnt a big part of the human psyche and takes an awful lot of coersion and extenuating circumstances to occur.

>>139890437
Most of the world is already convinced of it
More chaos would happen if there were proof against it

>>139899824
Antimatter faggot.
100% mass to energy transfer; E=MC^2 to a tee.

>>139908757
Its my wife's swastika. She tends to be more of a stormfag whilst I tend to be more of a sepratist but we meet in the middle on enough places to make things work.

My dad died a couple of years ago and immediately after his death I would often see him in my dreams, and I found it fascinating how they would have a variety of contexts (ie in some I knew he should be dead and something was wrong (in these dreams I would often become aware I was dreaming), in others I "knew" he hadn't died and there had been some mistake, essentially he had somehow recovered, in others I was ignorant to the fact he'd died and was living a normal life with him still in it)

Anyway, to this day I of course still occasionally have dreams with him in them, but not to the extent I did immediately after he had died. I had one the other day and while still half awake it occurred to me - surely this is the most likely reason the notion of an afterlife even exists? When humanity was relatively young and didn't understand much of anything, when our loved ones inevitably died and yet we still met them in our dreams...

>>139900836
>Maybe it just gets even worse with no way out
That, my kraut friend is what freaks me out the most

>>139892218
amen

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>>139891830
>Look at Bloomberg saying "if heaven exists, I'll get in from my work on gun control" for the most basic example.

I'm sure that if there is a Heaven, they know that Bloomberg is completely full of shit.

>>139890437
Depending on the exact realization, it could completely legalize murder and cause things like rape to become significantly higher crimes. Of course, abortion would become illegal worldwide.

>>139909419
Just wanted to add I would have completely forgotten this had occurred to me had I not seen this thread and been reminded of it. Thanks, /pol/

A cursory google to see if there's any literature on the possibility of dreams of dead loved ones being the origin of the concept of the afterlife is giving me nothing, mostly just nonsense spirituality websites and people genuinely discussing the idea that dreams are a connection to the afterlife. Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms because it seems to me a highly probable that reason the idea of an afterlife is so persistent and compelling throughout human civilization.

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>>139908488
>The soul should exist. Yet no one, even not a PhD scientist can find that particle. It has no mass
it's been discussed already, quantum microtubules. each neuron is possibly having the information and position and relation to other neurons encoded in a quantum microtubule. etc
it's largely speculation what the tubules do exactly. but it is a possible physical mechanism for a soul if any exists i would say that's it.

see my post here
>>139894247

but there's lots more information online, find your own sources just google microtubules

>>139902376
a fedoraposter here lambasts the idea with some argument about dvd's for $29.99 but i don't think he's capable of considering possibilities and i don't think he's looked at the scientific evidence for microtubules. he just has an understandable kneejerk reaction to the word quantum in context with macro scale claims. but if he considers it a possibility and speculates rather then demanding absolute proof before he looks at anything, he might find it an intriguing and at least seemingly plausible notion even if completely unprovable.

but his fedoras a bit tight so likely he is unable to consider possibilities and only considers facts

>>139891830
pretty sure all he means by that is that he genuinely thinks he's doing a good deed and therefore he's going to heaven for it.

I'm own 4 guns and am for the 2nd amendment but if you can't at least see the logic behind wanting gun control besides muhh jews wanna take d gunz then you are just as dumb as those niggers.

>>139911201

Look at Haitian's and seeing dead relatives in dreams and waking life. The phenomena of visualizing the dead is so common as to not be questioned by most mental health experts when dealing with Haitians, and not be seen as a cultural developed mechanism for grieving. So, in relation to your theory that area may indirectly overlap with some of the thoughts and questions you are having, that there is a connection between grieving and religiosity developing.

>>139911692
dude, he's one of them, one of those people, the people in power. you think anything he says means anything? half of what these people say is bullshit and the rest fabrication or misdirection. he likely does wanna take d gunz

>>139911201
Dreams prove nothing.

Last night I dreamed I met some YouTube celebrity. What does this prove? Nothing.

The night before I dreamed I was an adventurer fighting monsters and shit. What does this prove? Nothing.

Why would you assume that one particular kind of dream out of the hundreds of thousands you no doubt have had is true while dismissing all the others? The answer is this: you want it to be true, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

>>139911723
or maybe it's GHOSTS AND SHIT IN YO DREAMS NIGGA FUCKING DEAD PEOPLE IN YO MIND WHEN YOU SLEEP
spooky

but almost certainly not

>>139895582
I want to be in a land with an alien sky, where beasts stalk the land hunting the weak, and the burned out ruins of mankind pock mark the land reborn in their former glory, a place where you do not truly die and instead grow from your death as you hunt this land for the treasure and awesome/awful truths it holds.

>>139890437
You can't die, that's the secret. No matter what you will always survive any near death experience because each event creates parallel split in the universes in which different outcomes play out. You will always continue living in the universe in which the outcome is your survival. Put a gun a to your head and pull the trigger, the gun will always jam even though in our universe it will fire and kill you. No matter how hard you try you can never actually die within your conscious view. Death is a Jewish meme.

>>139912045
>Dreams prove nothing.
>The answer is this: you want it to be true, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
And you appear to want me to be proposing something that I have not been proposing. Re-read what I have been saying. More slowly, this time.

>>139912461
You idea is silly. You propose that people would believe in reincarnation because of dreams but it would logically follow that they would believe in anything they dream, then. Our ancestors weren't retarded; they were every bit as intelligent as you and I, but you expect me to believe they would selectively believe in one particular bullshit while ignoring all the other, nearly identical bullshit? I don't buy it.

>>139911261
Can we drop the fedora meme cliche? I didnt state an afterlife isnt valid or go on some rant along the lines of "PFFT, FUCKIN THEISTS, GUESS YOU JUST DONT KNOW HOW TO BE EUPHORIC LIKE ME!"

No, im stating that when a surgeon starts spouting off about quantum microtubules and an afterlife to hawk his book you should probably test to see if it smells like snake oil.

In this case the microtubules he references DO exist within cells, and his idea that they might play a part in quantum computing within the body made sense in the 80's before they discovered that quantum states within these tubules only exist for about 10^-13 of a second which is far too short for any actual computation to occur.

There is SOME evidence that the tubules themselves might shield the interior and provide a somewhat longer period in which quantum states exist but aside from theory it has never been linked to consciousness or cognitive processes.

Despite this the surgeon turned amature physicist has gone ahead and formed his own afterlife cult following that revolves around..... you guessed it. Buying his book.

>>139894247
So if our quantum states turns out to be our soul, does that means if we figure out how to destroy a quantum state we would be able to destroy a soul?

>>139890437
I really hope there is life after death because I keep imagining what it would be like to die and stop existing and I get very depressed and near tears at the thought of my life ending and leaving everything behind.

>>139913219

> ...we would be able to destroy a soul?

Already done, women have been destroying men's souls through our existence.

>>139890437
>Do normies start committing mass suicide to 're-roll' in this life because they now nihilistically can assume

No, most normies are brainwashed beyond this realisation being probable. Even if they were intelligent enough, most normies also have a network of friends and/or family who they have healthy relationships with and no doubt this would keep them in the game.

Wizard types, housebound recluses, social anxiety types, or other outcasts of society could probably do it though.

Personally I've felt a strong certainty about life after death for years, not in the form of any spiritual afterlife which I think is horse shit, but in the eventual re-existence (I refuse to call it reincarnation because there's no link between the two lives, even if ((you)because i can't think of another word) happen to be the conscious perceiver and controller of both lives. What I'm saying is maybe in 900 million, maybe 900 trillion years, maybe orders of magnitude greater, you'll be something, alive, somewhere. Added on to my other belief that time is truly infinite (I figure universes come and go all the time in some sort of multiverse or greater space containing them, and the scientific community is arrogant to assume there isn't just some great vast empty space that preexisted our universe, instead assuming the observed spread of matter of our lot is all existence - SAD! - I guess you would have 0<Infinity lives IE. never ending. The good news? The time that passes in between them would be pretty instantaneous as you aren't alive to perceive it.

>>139912957
I said nothing of reincarnation. And why is the idea so silly? In simpler times I imagine people would have less wacky stuff in their lives to draw upon to influence their dreams to the extent that the utter nonsensical nature of dreams would be as obvious as it is to us now.

Here, a quick google gave me this:
>People have been fascinated by dreams for thousands of years and cultures around the world have developed their own traditions for interpreting dreams.
>Mesopotamia:
>Early information about the analysis of dreams comes from Mesopotamia (the land between the Tigris and Euphrates – part of what is now Iraq). The civilization that existed there around 5,000 BC left behind what is believed to be the world’s first book of dreams — a compilation of dream symbols and their meanings. Sumerians viewed their dreams as signs sent from gods. People had their dreams translated by “dream priests” who foretold the dreamer’s future. It is speculated that the process of incubating dreams and summoning them by means of special rituals was invented during this period. These practices then spread throughout the ancient world and survived in various forms until the twentieth century. Some believe that the Mesopotamian model of dream interpretation had an impact on the cultural beliefs of the Egyptians and gave rise to the Hebrew, Arabic and Greek traditions of dream interpretation.
"Sumerians viewed their dreams as signs sent from gods"? Then there's nothing crazy about the idea that when you dream of a dead loved one, they are now WITH the gods.

>>139890437
More likely is the discovery that what we think of as consciousness was never actually in the body in the first place.

>>139913872
>Then there's nothing crazy about the idea that when you dream of a dead loved one, they are now WITH the gods.

Except it is, unless you are viewing EVERY single one of your dreams as some sort of objective truth. Craziness is choosing to believe one thing while ignoring all the other things exactly like it.

>>139913344
Now you see, that same thought process makes me feel happy and content. Might be because I'd probably catch fire if there was an afterlife, but also eternal nothingness seems peaceful, for want of a better term.

>>139890437

I am dead.
And I'm the only one here.

>>139914158
What? I don't even understand your argument here. They thought dreams were sent from the gods. There's no example given of them selectively thinking they were anything else.

I think on a fundamental level the entire universe is mental in nature. Particles or forces are basically like thoughts or feelings. So when you die you will actually still be alive you just won't be "you."

>>139913168
Can you tell me the name of this surgeon turned amateur physicist?

>>139890437
It would probably only make things better. People would be more willing to put their lives on the line to achieve their goals. Concepts like "honor" would probably come back into prominence. After all, when people have to worry about life after death, then they start caring about maintaining some degree of dignity from one life to the next.

>>139916533
Although continuing on this point, your soul doesn't have to leave you for life after death to be possible. The only requirement is that true randomness exists; that in infinite time and possibility, there is a statistically non-zero chance that you will once again exist while retaining the memories of your prior existence.

If that is the case, then you are literally incapable of dying. The only problem is whether or not you'll exist in endless transience, in the event of a boltzmann brain, or if you'll reappear in a functional reality. I'd imagine the former being a pretty apt description of hell.

>>139915909
Anestesiologist actually, and its a group of them. The other is a mathmetician. They put forth the theory that quantum activity could be the basis for consciousness, but really lacked evidence concrete enough to convince any in the acedemic community.

So naturally they decided to write a book about it instead. They just claimed it was the basis for consciousness.

Next comes this doctor named robert lanza. Pretty level headed guy, wrote a bunch of publications and books regarding stem cells, organ transplants and medical advancement.

Then in 2009 outta nowhere he starts up his own cult following using this idea of quantum microtubules and calls it biocentrism. Basically takes a shakey unproven concept and flies off the handle about all living things in the universe being connected and uses a bunch of wacky made up or misused quantum phrases. He basically claims life creates the universe via trying to connect a bunch of rambling new age mysticism to science and physics terms.

>>139919109
So in other words heres how you start a modern quantum voodoo cult:

1( optional): posess highly respected PHD in a science field

2: Take a complex poorly understood or unproven theory, explain it wrong in a manner that makes it both easy to understand to simple folk but still sounds smart

3: make sure your wrong explanation connects the theory to a morally ambiguous new age version of the afterlife

4: defend against all criticism of your work by continually pointing out the original theory is unproven or not fully understood

5 (optional): claim the stodgey old squares in the acedemic community are supressing your work because they are too close minded or unenlightened to understand it.

>>139890437
Did you just watch 'The Discovery' on netflix anon? You pretty much just wrote the synopsis of that movie.

>>139891065
>There is no definite "you"
So if I rape and kill your family right now, but then you find out tomorrow, the new "me" cant be blamed then?

>>139890437
you still exist after death since your body is made of materials, but you wont know since your brain is dead.

>>139919109
>>139920177
From what I understand is that physicists say that quantum mechanics may have a role to play in how we operate, so then this greedy doctor comes along and takes it out of context to sell his book.

>>139921079
Pretty much. The other two guys tried to sell books too but they never tried to connect thier theory to the afterlife.

So, im NOT a fedora-fag trying to get all euphoric about god being fake. Hell, theres a very good (yet still unproven) chance that quantum action has atleast some part to play in our brain processes.

Im just saying the guy who popped off about it being the key to an afterlife is just trying to make money. Its literally just using quantum terms to describe new age mysticism concepts.

>>139895948
If reincarnation is a choice then I'm not coming back to this shithole planet.

>>139920984
why dont you give it a try human , because killing is nothing but a game

>>139890437

Most of the world already believes life after death is 100% real anyways. Idiots.

>>139891486
That wouldn't happen on 3 hits of lsd and ecstasy

>>139890437
pretty sure that's the premise
of a movie. To answer your question It depends on the nature of the after life, how it works, and if it can be proven that all humans go through the same after life. If hell is proven would that be better or worse in regards to social ramifications?

I'm not going to lie to you. I feel like this whole topic is just viral marketing for a shitty upcoming movie.

>>139890437
No, but Necronaut just became my new band name.

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>>139891065
Sounds like something Alan Watts would say

>>139924341
same vibe I got too

>>139923589

.... Your fedora is on too tight anon. We are not talking about beliefs without some form of quantitative evidence, we are talking as a thought experiment if some form of life after death was proven scientifically by repeated experimentation and measurement.