Reading the Bible

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>>139848141
king james bible

>>139848266
King James? Isn't that some beady eyed king?

>>139848141
Whichever is easiest to read. NIV works just fine. Most modern English.

>>139848141
Start with the Greeks.

You cant read the bible.
You can read what the vatican wants you to read.
Look up old bibles.They are entirely different with more content.

>>139848913

no king james only set it up the kjv was translated by the best scholars at that time

>>139848141
You're Italian, so read the Vulgate, you don't need to worry about the can of worms of English translations.

>>139849160
How
Guide me, moustache man
>>139849399
Wait, Italian translations are supposed to be better?

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>>139848141
any bible without those little side notes in small text. those are filthy inserts by religious revisionists. and also, avoid the old testament like you would the talmud.

>>139848141
The Book of Enoch

>>139848141
don't believe Jews lies. If you must believe in a god make some shit up that makes sense to you

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>>139848141

>Anglos, protestant corruptors and other filthy heretics need not apply,

>>139849526
Get your grandmas bible,you know,with the gothic letter old and compare it to what you can obtain today.There is like a hundred pages more content and whatnot.

>>139849725
I've been fooled once by you australian cunts, you won't fool me twice
>>139849538
Fug, I thought all those proverbs were cool and shit

>>139848141
Young's literal translation. Its exactly what it says on the tin.

>>139848266
OY VEY

Unless you're planning on learning to speak Hebrew and Aramaic, go with the King James Bible (KJV).

Avoid all of the new translations

>>139848913

Bite your tongue, fool. As men we owe everything to goes, it's Christ first and King James and the men who compiled his Bible second.

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>>139848141
You should either get

Douay Rheims
Ignatius

>>139849725
Jews hate Christians and Christianity.

https://youtu.be/ei9bBr_3voI

Look at this. They killed a 7 year old because they were still so hateful and angry about Our Lord and His Passion.

Christianity has put the Jews in a very bad spot, it makes no sense for them to want to create it. They've only taken advantage of Protestantism and other unfortunate attitudes following the Holohoax. Zionist "Christians" are an entirely modern thing. Go back two hundred years and you will find zero of them.

>>139848141
KJV. It's the most fidel translation

>>139848141
Skeptic's Annotated Bible

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>>139848141
German shepherd is the best dog.

>>139850304
But who were these (((men)))?

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>>139850083
There's all sorts of weird shit in the old testament. Like moses and the orgies. Lot and his incestous family. The sodomites who demanded homosexual sex when they visited Lot's city.

When Jesus came around, the talmudians broke off with Christianity. That's when the story in the bible complettely changes. Love thy neighbors, turn the other cheek, cure people through miracles, multiply fish.

The holy magic happens in the new testament. The demonic wraths happened in the old testament. that's why the talmudians reject christ and retain the old testaments.

I would recommend the Orthodox Study Bible. It has none of the books removed, and the included notes and commentaries are from the Church Fathers rather than modernist/(((Jesuit))) revisionists. The e-book is also only $2.99.

>>139849538
>avoid the old testament like you would the talmud
>>139850853
>That's when the story in the bible complettely changes. Love thy neighbors, turn the other cheek, cure people through miracles, multiply fish.
Don't listen to this guy. If you actually read the whole Old Testament, especially the Wisdom writings and the Prophets you'll see that there is a striking continuity between the Old and New Testaments (which is how it should be). This meme that the Old and New Testaments are unconnected is a (((lie))) meant to conceal the fact that Jesus Christ of the New Testament is truly the Messiah that the Old Testament prepares the way for.

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>>139851708
>trust leaf
>or trust Europe flag

>>139852174
One is telling you not to read something so that you are unable to judge for yourself, whereas the other is telling you that you should read it and judge for yourself. Trust yourself.

>>139851708
Okay, then what about the weird sacrifice in leviticus 14:12? Slaughter a lamb, smear the lambs blood on the person's ear, rub oil on the priests right finger and dab it on the person's earlobe. Sounds awfully weird to me.

>>139850112
This, but first timer KJV/KJV-ER or even the NKJV but be aware there are slightly concerning differences between KJV & NKJV. Avoid the NIV,NLT at all costs.

And there's the wrathful tone in Deuteronomy 4:25

>if you then become corrupt and make any kind of idol.....

.I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you this day that you will quickly persih from the land you are crossing from the jordan to possess. You will not live there long but will certainly be destroyed....

The overall tone is remarkably different from the old testament to the new.

>>139852609
Sure, but you will only get that impression if you stop reading the Old Testament within the first five books. If you actually finish reading the whole thing, you'll get a better context for where the "weird" stuff fits in (it's actually not that important once you get to the historical writings, the wisdom writings, and the prophetic writings).

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>>139848141
New American Standard Bible. If possible get a student edition with footnotes.

If you're curious about the differences between translations, read the preface to whatever edition you're considering and it will explain some of the translation choices that it has made.

You might as well start reading from Genesis if you're serious. It's not as long or as difficult of a book as you probably think it is.

>>139853186
I actually find the Genesis pretty dank desu

>>139853121
The context is ritualistic sacrifice and other rites
The old testament and new testament are not compatible. Jesus went out of his way to "fulfill" the prophecies of the old testament.

I'm enjoying my 1611 KJV.

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>>139853121
>>139853329
To be honest, I actually enjoyed the book of job, and the psalms.

>>139853654
While we're on the topic of favourite books of the Bible, I think Ecclesiastes is underrated.

>>139853113
>The overall tone is remarkably different from the old testament to the new.
This is a (((Jesuit))) meme. You would only say that if you got bored while reading Numbers and didn't actually read the vast majority of the Old Testament and assume the rest of it is like what you've already read. Read Ezekiel 18 to see the merciful God of Jesus Christ, and read Revelations 21 to see the wrathful (literally fire and brimstone) God that you claim is just in the Old Testament. In both the Old and New Testaments, God is both a God of mercy and of wrath:
>For mercy and wrath are with the Lord; he is mighty to forgive, and he pours out wrath.
>As great as his mercy, so great is also his reproof; he judges a man according to his deeds.
>The sinner will not escape with his plunder, and the patience of the godly will not be frustrated.
>He will make room for every act of mercy; every one will receive in accordance with his deeds.
>Sirach 16:11-14

Try the Bible Offline app and it'll give you like 17 different options in English alone and also pretty much any written language you prefer. Which ever is easiest to read. I read in NKJV.

Read front to back.

>be me
>lurking
Thank you /pol/, you have saved me.

I guess you couldn't go wrong with the King James Version (KJV).

>>139853515
Read past Numbers. You are missing out on a lot.

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>>139848141
the whole bible can't compare to Corinthians 1:13

If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Understand that its all about mushrooms. Adam and Eve, Moses and the burning bush, even Jesus. You eat the mushroom and become possessed by the spirit of the lord. Its all about how to manage your slaves by denying them god, and substituting god with faith.

>>139855134
This is a good passage but I have a feeling you haven't actually read the whole thing and are fixated on one (admittedly) good passage.

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>>139855312
Watch Jordan Peterson videos and stop being autistic about the Bible

>>139854276
Wasn't revelations written by Peter while exiled in patmos? Or am i thinking of another disciple?

>>139848141
Part of reading the bible as a white man is learning the european languages and connecting with our european forekind. In my opinion, it's good to be reading the bible in several different languages. In my opinion, the king james version, and the 1545 luther bibel are the best.

Viewing the original 1611 KJV with archaic English spelling
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Genesis-Chapter-1/

1 Mose 1Luther Bibel 1545 (LUTH1545)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Mose+1&version=LUTH1545

The Latin Vulgate Old Testament Bible
http://vulgate.org/ot/genesis_1.htm

Septuagint GENESIS
https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/physis/septuagint-genesis/1.asp

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>>139855396
I read the whole bible already :)
but I slowly find that this passage is the most different thing that I never find in buddhism or hindu or even taoism

>>139856110
Interesting idea

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Christian Zionism

The Scofield Bible is a Lie

http://youtu.be/NXSsp2vvHjE

>>139856049
It was written by John. Same guy who wrote the fourth Gospel.

>>139856169
I am sorry for assuming. It is a very good passage. But the Bible has a lot of other very good passages too and I did not want other people here to miss out on the other very good stuff after reading your post. God bless you.

>>139848141
If you want a bit more war, go for the Catholic bible. It has extra books that aren't considered canon by other Christian denominations.

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>>139848141
>Anglos, protestant corruptors and other filthy heretics need not apply
>says the cucklic
top jej

You should read every version of the Bible including the ones people are telling you to avoid. You're not a retard, you can make your own decisions based on what you've read and have little issues seeing through the agendas of different translators, which are informative in their own way.

Any intelligent person should be well-versed in all religious texts regardless of what they actually believe, including those from faiths you find distasteful like Islam or Judaism.

The Bible is literally 80% weird as fuck rules with a shit ton of random uninteresting stuff like how many pieces of cattle you have to sacrifice and the names of random families and stuff.

It's boring.

>>139849899
>not a whimper from cucklics
As expected.

>>139850834
Translators who translated the latin text who the cucklics priest didn't want the common peasants to read themselves.

>>139858171
False. You sound like someone who started reading the Bible, got as far as Numbers (which is not very far), found it boring, assumed the rest is more of the same (which it isn't), and gave up without actually reading the vast majority of the Bible.

>>139858171
So you too didn't read past Numbers kek.

>>139858009
>points out a few corrupted individuals
>follows of the cult of (((Martin Luther))), the man that single-handedly, low-key destroyed Europe and subsequently America
At this point le dissolute church man is literally just an admission of insecurity

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>>139848141
The Bible is easy to understand in whatever language you are reading it in. If reading in English, the New International Version (NIV) uses modern English. Otherwise read it in any Italian version.

>>139858425
>>139858463
Yeah I'm still in Numbers. So far it's boring as fuck and has nothing spiritual about it.

Also, it's violent and fuck.

Koine greek

>>139858596
Keep reading. Getting through Numbers is like a rite of passage to separate the wheat from the chaff.

>>139858596
Read the Book of Ezekiel, you'll be amazed.

>>139848141
NIV is okay enough. If you can, go for the Latin texts, or Koine Greek.

Start with The Gospel of John.

>>139858596
I remember I quit first time when I went to numbers, literally a whole page or two dedicated to the ancestry of a few people and their sons, and their son's sons, etc. It gets better afterwards.

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>>139858171
Something like Ephesians 6:10-18 is not boring, and it is information you need in these times. It is about the battle for the mind. What will we focus our consciousness on. It is the same idea as ulysses affixing himself to the mast of his ship and his men putting wax in their ears as to not be drawn off course. It's as apropos today as ever. It's mind over matter. Pulling the sword of consciousness out of the stone of matter to become king.

Ephesians 6:10-18King James Version (KJV)

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

>>139848141
Read the original in Hebrew you pleb

>>139859080
This. Also the Wisdom books (Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Sirach, etc.), the other major Prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel), the history books especially Samuel/Kings (which is where you'll read about David, Solomon, Elijah, etc.). The rest of the Bible refers to the first five books constantly though (mainly by reinterpreting it as an allegory and applying its allegorical lessons to spiritual and practical matters). Finally, the New Testament is a sheer pleasure to read, but you will get the most out of it if you have the Old Testament as a background because the New Testament refers to it constantly (e.g. many of Jesus' unique saying are just direct quotes/references to Proverbs).

King james only. All modern bible versions remove and change scripture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFtI_mVOXbQ

>>139859891
Oyyy didn't you noses hate our Lord and Savior's guts?

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KJV always seemed p good. Avoid "new" translations as much as possible. The older and more archaeic, the better.

but IMO reading the Bible is a very prot concept. They're all about subjective interpretation and that's why you get all these dumb Bible churches who make "jesus loves me yes I know because the bible tells me so" memes where you don't have to do anything to better yourselves you just need to donate money and be a "nice" person.

Read the lives of the saints and their theological/philosophical works. Augustine is an excellent starting point, then Thomas.

I'd also HIGHLY recommend reading Dante's Comedy in its entirety. It 100% unironically believe it should be considered the third testament and was in fact divinely inspired.
In a perfect world Dante would be read at Mass alongside Old and New testament

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>>139848141

I have three.

Geneva - because it was the first widely available English translation and I like old English.

King James - because it is an elite written translation and I like to see how the elites think.

ESV - because it is a modern translation and I like to see how my contemporaries think or are being manipulated.

Lawofone.info - because I musts have the big picture.

Remember - everything about our current reality (this illusion) is designed to separate us from God. You must turn off the tv and the movies if you even hope to have a meaningful relationship with God. The tv and the movies with their hyper violence and sexuality, pollutes your soul/self so that God will not want to have anything to do with you. That is the purpose of the tv and the movies of today.

Divide and conquer.

> pic related. Can you see the division?

>>139858578

So what do you think of acts 8:37 in your Niv?

>>139860292
>I'd also HIGHLY recommend reading Dante's Comedy in its entirety. It 100% unironically believe it should be considered the third testament and was in fact divinely inspired. In a perfect world Dante would be read at Mass alongside Old and New testament
Literally kill yourself. Not even he claimed it to be true. It's a self insert fanfic of the bible in which he describes how people he doesn't like or respect get tortured in hell and people he does like and respect get to be exalted in heaven. The only interesting parts are the imaginative ironic tortures of the first third of the poem and his description of the happiness of most of the afterlife in terms of literal and metaphorical distance from god.

>>139859891
Paleo hebrew and modern hebrew are also useful. For people of european ancestry the european language versions serve a particular purpose though.

Parallel Hebrew Old Testament
http://www.hebrewoldtestament.com/index2.htm

>>139859891
Hebrew was not the original. The Hebrew (Masoretic) text you see today was compiled between the 7th and 10th centuries by the Rabbinic/Talmudic/Pharasaical Jews (the ones Jesus spoke out about) and because they were salty as fuck they edited the Bible heavily to hide the fact that Jesus is the Messiah. One of the most significant archaeological finds in recent memory was the Dead Sea Scrolls which were manuscripts from the 2nd century B.C. in ancient Hebrew (not the same as modern Hebrew), Aramaic, and Greek, and when compared to the Masoretic text and the Greek Septuagint, the ancient manuscripts agreed with the Greek Septuagint Old Testament rather than the Hebrew Masoretic Old Testament whenever the two disagreed.

No point in reading it anymore, it's been rewritten over 30 times. The original message probably isn't even there any more.

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I don't want to sound like a fedora fag but reading the bible is 100% cucked.

>oh golly gee goyim, read the bible and become a doormat so we can take your money and turn you into a kosher golem mishuggunun

Fuck all sand kike religions, I suggest you read up on psychology instead, but if you have to, start reading about your ancestor's religion.

Just so you know, religion is for people who feel guilty, or for people who are afraid of dying.

>>139860420
Cool missing from ESV as well. What else is missing?

From Geneva..

Acts 8:37 And Philippe said vnto him, If thou beleeuest with all thine heart, thou mayest. Then he answered, and saide, I beleeue that that Iesus Christ is that Sonne of God.

I had heard that some things were missing. What else?

>>139860656
>you will never understand the concept of contrapasso
>you will never understand the sacred numerology present in the poems structure, rhyme, and metre
>you will never see the poem as more than pseudo-fanfic

lol just lol

>>139860916
>>139861072
>lol I know so much more about a 2000 year old jewish comic book than you
>lol I'm going to heaven, it won't just be a black void for a millenium until scientists dig up my corpse and revive me for experiments.

Just lol guys, /pol/ is always cucking for the jew or the bankers. This place is cancer.

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>>139860292
>you don't have to do anything to better yourselves you just need to donate money and be a "nice" person

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>>139848141
Only True version = Cotton Patch Bible
http://kenanderson.net/bible/html/cotton_patch.html

>>139861072
I literally described conrapasso in the post you are replying to. And yes, it is literally a fanfic, by a raving spoiled italian playboy.

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>>139861293
>a fucking leaf

>>139850853
This is false, the God of the OT and the God of the NT are the same.
Jesus came to interpret the law for the people since they were sinful and failed at carrying out the law as intended.

>>139861545
>spend your life serving me goy, I'll make sure you are happy for all eternity. Just give me 10-15% of your income for a tip!

>make sure to love everyone, especially jews, and to never fight back, haha, no need to protect your interests, life is just a fantasy.

Religiotards are the fucking worst lmao.

>>139862231
The bible says to give to the needy, not the church specifically. If you don't trust them, there are multitude of both religious and secular options, including doing it yourself.
You completely missed the point of "turning the other cheek", which isn't to not defend yourself, but not chimp out over an insult

>>139860327
Nibba but what if the religion is the actual delusion? Because of studies and job I have a pretty scientific mind, and I feel like religion doesn't fit in reality in the same way I feel scientific notions fit perfectly in it. Religion seems so out of place and improbable.

>>139848141
Learn Koiné Greek and read the Gospels in their original form
>but muh Aramaic
Jesus was probably able to speak both and used whichever was appropriate to the situation. Greek was the lingua franca of the eastern Mediterranean, also spoken by most educated Romans, so it's likely Pilate and Christ had their exchange in Greek. There's no mention of an interpreter. Meanwhile a large fraction of the population in Judea (especially around Galilee) at the time spoke Greek as well as Aramaic. Most funerary inscriptions on Jewish tombs from 1st-century Palaestina are in Greek, not Aramaic. You'd hardly put the epitaph on your grandad's gravestone in a language you didn't understand.

>>139862397
Good, now you just need to tell that to your fellow christians.

Honestly, look at it objectively, you really think the most superior organism in our known galaxy lives life just to be tested by a jewish god who will send us to heaven or hell on a whim using a 2000 yr old iron age manga as criteria?

That's pretty fucking retarded dude, if you are going to believe that, why not just believe your ancestors religion?

>>139862781
My ancestors have been christian for over a millennia. Assuming by "your ancestors religion" you are referring to paganism, I have no idea which would apply, as like most white americans I am a mutt; in my case with anglo, german, and scotts-irish background, which I only even know because my grandad was an amateur genealogist before he lost his mind. But regardless of which, none confer a healthy attitude towards life and society.
>lives life just to be tested
You seem to have missed an important point about Christianity. You don't have to live life just about it, it's a frame work within which to live life however you see fit, for whatever purpose, within reason.

>>139862642
The reason we think Jesus originally spoke Aramaic is because in the original Greek New Testament it transliterates some of his sayings from Aramaic: "Talitha kum" (Mark 5:41), "Ephphatha" (Mark 7:34), "Abba" (Mark 14:36), "Raca" (Matthew 5:22), etc. Read more about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus#Aramaic_phrases_in_the_Greek_New_Testament
That said, the original language of the New Testament and the early Church is Koine Greek (not Hebrew, not Aramaic, not Latin), and whenever the New Testament quotes from the Old Testament it quotes from the Greek Septuagint Old Testament (not a Hebrew or Aramaic Old Testament).

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KJV

>>139862490
I understand you concerns. Look at genesis. Doesn't that match scientific theory as to how this creation began?

Then understand that these are real people going through real situations that are beyond what normies are used to.

Abraham taking Isaac to be sacrificed. God staying his hand.

Ezekiel on the canal in Babylon living as a slave in a shit hole by a canal and through god seeing a way out.

Jesus standing at the intersection of the elites and the masses and not compromising.

John trapped on Patmos by Rome, writes a vision of the Future. And in 22 days, after ~2000 years, In 22 days the alignment in the sky John talks about in Revelation 12 is going to happen!

Please seek/ask for guidance and be patient. There is a barrier up. It takes time for the answers to come back. And they will be subtle and hard to see. But if you are willing...

Keep your eyes open.

>>139862490

Perhaps what you need is the big picture. There are other sources and I recommend this one.

Lawofone.info

Start there. That will teach you the language of our place in this creation. Then go to the Bible understanding how difficult our relationship with God is and how difficult it is to maintain a connection to God.

Read. Question and ask.

>>139856474
And the cool thing about John was that he was the youngest disciple. He was probable only 16 when following Jesus. He watched as all the other disciples where killed and then he got exiled in his old age, for his faith, by Rome.

And then he wrote Revelations.

I would love to visit Patmos.

>>139848141
Read the originals. I don't know Hebraic so I read the Greek ἑβδομήkοντα and Greek NT.

>>139866899
how difficult is it to learn greek for a complete newcomer?

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Why would you read a Bible unless you're a protestant? Catholics don't read the Bible...

Go ask for forgiveness and perform a cult ritual.

>>139848141
grab the bible
then realise that the bible is just the books (((they))) want you to read
then go find copies of apocyphal books, read those too.

the apocryphas are basically books they don't put in the bible, AFAIK

so if you want the full crosspill, go that way i guess

>>139867025
Ancient Greek grammar is rather complicated so perhaps a bit more difficult than most commonly studied languages but you don't have to learn to speak or write it which makes it easier in a way.

You can also learn modern Greek very easily once you know some ancient Greek which gives you more varied material to study. I mean you can watch Greek TV, listen to radio, music, read books, magazines or whatever, have conversations with Greeks. The vocabulary is largely the same and even grammar is not hugely different so I feel like learning modern Greek makes learning ancient Greek easier and more enjoyable.

>>139868928
>cucked countries are majority protestant
Makes sense.

>>139868928
Lmao nice causation retard.
Funny enough 90% of those "Protestant" countries are actually not religious at all.

>>139849538
>avoid the Old Testament
Why? Because it was written by and about Jews?

I guess avoid the New Testament for the same exact reasons, then.

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>>139848141
thats a cute pup