Marriage Equality

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>>139835321
its fucking gey,

>>139835321
Statistics on gays and marriage:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/26/same-sex-marriage/

http://archive.is/g0kHt

http://www.gallup.com/poll/212702/lgbt-adults-married-sex-spouse.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

http://archive.is/MlP5k

https://www.quora.com/What-percent-of-gay-men-in-the-US-are-in-a-long-term-relationship-and-how-does-this-compare-to-the-general-population

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201731/lgbt-identification-rises.aspx

7% of millennials are gay:

https://www.prri.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/PRRI-Millennials-Web-FINAL.pdf

Millennials draw no distinctions between discrimination protections that should be afforded gay and lesbian people, on the one hand, and transgender people on the other. More than seven in ten (73%) millennials support legal protections against discrimination in jobs, public accommoda- tions, and housing for gay and lesbian people. A nearly identical number (72%) of millennials say they favor these same protections for transgender people.

While no significant racial or gender differences exist on either question, there are large religious divides in support for expanding nondiscrimination legislation. Roughly eight in ten black Protestant (80%), white Catholic (82%), Hispanic Catholic (81%), religiously unaffiliated (83%), and white mainline Protestant millennials (78%) favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against discrimination in jobs, public accommodations, and housing. About two-thirds (66%) of Hispanic Protestant millennials also favor such laws. White evangelical Protestants are closely divided on this issue, with a slim majority (51%) favoring laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against discrimination, and 47% opposing them. Among religious groups, the pattern of opinion about non-discrimination legislation protecting transgender individuals is nearly identical.

>>139835437

http://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/Facts_for_Families_Pages/Children_with_Lesbian_Gay_Bisexual_and_Transgender_Parents_92.aspx

http://www.ibtimes.com/study-having-gay-parents-does-not-affect-childs-gender-identity-2579343

>>139835445
Science on gays as parents:

http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdfs/12-144_307_Amicus_%20(C_%20Gottlieb)_ASA_Same-Sex_Marriage.pdf

Farr, R. H. (2017). Does parental sexual orientation matter? A longitudinal follow-up of adoptive families with school-age children. Developmental Psychology, 53(2), 252-264.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/dev0000228

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Patterson-Farr-Forssell-AppliedDevScience-Jul-2010.pdf

How Does the Gender of Parents Matter?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2009.00678.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=userIsAuthenticated=false

>>139835453
Debunking Sullins:

https://thinkprogress.org/conservatives-seize-on-hugely-flawed-study-about-same-sex-parents-bd797734bf40

http://archive.is/aym23

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/07/12/new_gay_parenting_study_is_a_dishonest_assault_on_lgbtq_families.html

http://archive.is/o3DYW


Debunking Paul McHugh:

https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2016/8/29/new-scientific-study-sexuality-gender-neither-new-nor-scientific

http://archive.is/mOwUN


Debunking Michelle Cretella:

https://www.adolescenthealth.org/SAHM_Main/media/Advocacy/2017%20sign%20on/Response-to-Michelle-Cretella.pdf

Debunking Neil Whitehead:

http://archive.is/1s0i6

>>139835463
Debunking Regnerus:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/new-research-further-debunks-regnerus-study-on-gay-parenting/

http://archive.is/Z4Gu4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/10/new-criticism-of-regnerus-study-on-parenting-study/?utm_term=.dc5cef00d5f8

http://archive.is/SePdG

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/03/04/mark_regnerus_testifies_in_michigan_same_sex_marriage_case_his_study_is.html

http://archive.is/ehXt8

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/10/supreme-court-gay-marriage_n_2850302.html

https://archive.is/Y5erS

https://www.advocate.com/politics/prop-8/2013/03/11/debunked-antigay-parenting-study-commissioned-sway-supreme-court

http://archive.is/QVAQz


88 out of 248 of the respondents that were counted as "Parents are of the same sex" responded that their parents were never in a same sex relationship while they were living with them though they had same sex relationships while they were growing up, ie their parents divorced and they ended up with the straight parent but they were still counted as having parents of the same sex

Source
>http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/documents/NFSS-study-design.pdf
>a. Parents are of the same sex
219 active and 29 withdrawn panelists, from Page 3
>http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/documents/NFSS-codebook.pdf
>S8 Did you ever live with your mother while she was in a romantic relationship with another woman?
40 said no, from Page 4
>S9 Did you ever live with your father while he was in a romantic relationship with another man?
48 said no, from Page 4
Yes, that is the official study results

http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/studies/34392

>>139835473
Genetic Evidence of Homosexuality:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/06/04/the-science-of-sexuality-how-our-genes-make-us-gay-or-straight/

http://archive.is/y64OH

https://www.advocate.com/health/2015/10/09/study-dna-identical-twins-can-reveal-whos-gay

http://archive.is/GuptB

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/17/science/gay-men-in-twin-study.html

http://archive.is/PSmzQ

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/research.points.to.genetic.element.in.homosexuality/35856.htm

Straight males carry gay genes:

http://chaladze.com/files/publications/Chaladze2016ASB.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xq28

Fecundity increases in female relatives of male homosexuals:

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0051088

https://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html

http://archive.is/32sQz

Scientists find DNA differences between gay men and their straight twin brothers:

http://archive.is/g3lal

http://www.nature.com/news/epigenetic-tags-linked-to-homosexuality-in-men-1.18530

http://www.tim-taylor.com/papers/twin_studies/studies.html

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/identical-twins-genes-are-not-identical/

http://archive.is/MALR3

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1993-homosexual-orientation-in-twins.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xq28

Female relatives of gay men have 1.3x as many children:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2012.02785.x/abstract

Androgen receptor gene linked to XQ28

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAGEA11

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/11/study-gay-brothers-may-confirm-x-chromosome-link-homosexuality

http://archive.is/E3my1

>>139835486
The benefits of gay marriage:


https://www.liveabout.com/the-benefits-of-gay-marriage-1411846

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/gay-marriage-boosts-happiness-health-study-article-1.3053017

http://archive.is/dmO9e

http://theconversation.com/evidence-is-clear-on-the-benefits-of-legalising-same-sex-marriage-82428

http://archive.is/kezfR

Does conversion therapy work:


http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-whether-conversion-therapy-can-alter-sexual-orientation-without-causing-harm/

http://www.newsweek.com/life-and-death-jewish-exgay-therapy-organization-406898

http://archive.is/TZ3kj

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2017/05/18/nevada-bans-conversion-therapy-kids/329391001/

http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20170829/advocates-celebrate-passage-of-ri-ban-on-conversion-therapy

Are gays more likely to be pedophiles?


http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts%5Fmolestation.html

http://www.pandys.org/articles/abuseandhomosexuality.html

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2010/09/18/903178/-Gays-are-pedophiles-No-Here-s-the-proof

http://archive.is/ztjf2

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads/attachments/Anti-gayActivismandtheMisuseofScience_1.pdf

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2009/06/05/a-major-study-of-child-abuse-and-homosexuality-revisited/

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/religious-rights-top-anti-gay-researcher-says-he-was-attracted-to-men-as-a-boy/politics/2012/05/16/39681

>>139835494

Is being gay a mental illness?


http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites//rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html


HIV can be eliminated:


https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/03/scientists-have-eliminated-hiv-in-mice-using-crispr/

http://archive.is/8yiqT

White gays experience a dramatic decline in new HIV infections:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3349342/HIV-infections-fall-20-decade-NOT-gay-bisexual-men-living-South.html

http://archive.is/NdR25

HIV infection rate in the US falls by a third in a decade

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28389275''

UK HIV decrease:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unaids-hiv-infection-rate-down-33-percent-worldwide-since-2001/

Advances in reproduction aid gays potentially:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-3-parent-dna-baby-born-rare-disease/

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jul/babies-from-bone-marrow

>>139835366
.... I never actually thought of it in that way, but you're right.
/thread.

>>139835507
Businesses cannot be coerced into producing anti-gay messages:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/denvers-azucar-bakery-wins-right-to-refuse-to-make-anti-gay-cake

http://archive.is/1iwE5

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-bakery-s-refusal-of-anti-gay-marriage-cake-not-discrimination-1.3165211

http://archive.is/xtLSU

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/sexual-orientation-sex-gender-identity/projects/new-protection

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-23/same-sex-marriage-what-bible-has-to-say-robyn-whitaker/8831826

http://archive.is/Rga44

Churches in Europe blessing same sex celebrants:

http://religionnews.com/2017/08/04/britains-first-same-sex-marriage-celebrated-in-a-scottish-church/

http://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/08/25/17/italian-protestant-church-says-i-do-to-gay-blessings

Let's make a list, shall we?
>Gay sex means you can't procreate naturally, and your bloodline will end with you
>Gays have a high % of STDs
>Gay's are much more likely to be multi-partner degenerates, which is something that has contributed to the latest downfall of society
>Gays tend to be weak and effeminate and go against nature

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>>139835321
who gives a shit, none of my concern

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>>139835556
Partners National Survey of Lesbian & Gay Couples 1988:

http://www.buddybuddy.com/survey.html

>>139835556

HIV infection rate in the US falls by a third in a decade

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28389275''

UK HIV decrease:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unaids-hiv-infection-rate-down-33-percent-worldwide-since-2001/

AU HIV decease:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/hiv-infections-in-nsw-have-fallen-to-their-lowest-levels-except-for-one-group-of-people/news-story/9dc7261df2978e0091ad6739ff106d43

>>139835321
It does me no good so I don't advocate for it. It doesn't bother me, I don't bother it. Most people 'tolerate' it in this way but look how quickly tolerance became bigotry. Thanks faggots.

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>>139835321
No one is legitimately against these degenerates going to a courthouse and getting a paper signed. What these faggot fucks want to do is force their agenda on churches and places of religion and normalize their fucking another man in the ass which is where it intrudes on people who hold legitimate religious beliefs against their disgusting behavior. That aside, they parade it in public in the most absurd and fucking retarded ways exposing children to their mental illness and encouraging pedophilia. There are legitimate reasons against this but don't pretend you want to hear them you just want to play the eternal victimhood card and whine until you get your way. The average person is aware of this already.

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>>139835321
Marriage in general is retarded, let alone fag marriage.

>>139835777
Name a church that has been forced to perform a gay marriage.

>>139835556
>My Brothers are straight and one of em already has a kid on the way, so my genes are secure. Besides, IVF and surrogacy are a thing now.
>How is disproportionately higher STD rates an argument against gay marriage?
>All the more reason to encourage monogamous relationships, and marriage ultimately is a monogamous relationship.
>Again, this is an argument against marriage equality...how?

>>139835321
Marriage is a privilege, not a birthright.

>>139835777
Civil unions are not equal to marriage.

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>>139835920
I didn't say they HAVE been forced to at the moment. Learn to read. Don't pretend that you faggots don't use every tool in your little faggy arsenal to discourage traditional marriage at every turn. Don't pretend you don't cry "homophobia" at anything that remotely wants to preserve tradition and the traditional family unit. I could throw a rock out the window and probably hit 30 fags boycotting one thing or the other because they cry "oppression." Like I said, no one's fooled. Tolerance and normalization are on two different ends of the spectrum and you people clearly don't want only tolerance so you should stop trying to wave your bullshit around like that's the point. People are obligated to tolerate you which means not throwing you off buildings like they do in the Middle East, we are in no way obligated to subscribe to your bullshit that it's somehow normal, healthy, and/or good for our society because it's not and never will be. You faggots fly the biggest false flags left and right and try to play the victim card whenever someone disagrees with you, don't pretend you don't. THIS is not normal or acceptable, no matter how many times you try to convince yourself it is.

>>139835920
>Name a church that has been forced to perform a gay marriage.

The Church of England.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/church-of-england-to-be-sued-for-refusing-to-perform-same-sex-marriages-just-a-month-after-prime-minister-promised-protection-101487/

The Church in Denmark
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/9317447/Gay-Danish-couples-win-right-to-marry-in-church.html

The Lutheran Church in Sweden
http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2017/june/swedish-prime-minister-priests-should-be-forced-to-perform-same-sex-weddings

Fuck you, faggots.

>>139836165
gay couples aren't equal to straight.

>>139836214
Are there specific cases where churches were sued for refusing to actually perform them though?

>should

>could

so only actual example is Denmark.

Has any church actually been forced to perform a gay marriage there despite its opposition? If so, please cite source.

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>>139836355
>sued for not performing a gay marriage
>but they're not being forced to guys
Holy shit you are one legitimately stupid faggot.

>>139835321
Good thread, bad that nobody give a fuck...

>>139836521
Anyone can file a lawsuit. I don't see an article saying they won.

>>139835321
I'm opposed to anything which changes the definition of institutions which constitute society. I have no specific issue with homofags but I refuse to accept the constant marxist attacks on objectivity (see: truth).

>>139835321
>If I can't marry my boyfriend, then I'll marry your daughter.

So he admits that homosexuality is a choice?

>>139835534
Businesses are being coerced into making pro-gay messages.

>>139836790
Look how New Zealand has been practically ruined since allowing gay marriage!

>>139835920
oh I don't know, just every single fucking church in Norway

>>139836875
Behavior can be coerced, not speech.

Public accommodations laws date back to the aftermath of the Civil War. Introduced and adopted by Republicans in the Civil Rights Act of 1875, public accommodations share a lineage with the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the US Constitution. As Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote in his eloquent dissent to the Civil Rights Cases, “Citizenship in this country necessarily imports equality of civil rights among citizens … It is fundamental in American citizenship that … there shall be no discrimination by … corporations exercising public functions.”

>>139836935
Please link 1 (one) name of a church that was forced to perform a gay marriage against its will.

>>139836897
I can't say that I'm up to date with NZ politics so I can't comment either way.

>>139836945
I don't see how any US laws are relevant to ausfailia.

Have a look at Google requiring businesses state they're gay friendly or tacitly say they're homophobes as there is no second option.

>>139837104
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/08/02/australia-lgbt-and-intersex-anti-discrimination-laws-come-into-effect/

>>139837104
Google is a private company. Are you saying private companies should be restricted in how they conduct business further?

>>139836973
you are being an idiot now, this will be your last (you) from me
priests who refused were ousted from the church

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/den-norske-kirke/vil-ikke-vie-homofile-par-trekker-seg-som-prest/a/23911665/

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>>139835321
>What exactly have you got against allowing two adults who are in love with eachother, regardless of their genders, be married?
Marriage isn't about love and it has never been about love. The sole purpose of marriage is to provide for a stable and healthy environment in which a man and woman can raise children. The word matrimony comes from the Latin word "Matrmonium" which roughly translates to a combination of the words "mother" and "condition".

Gays cannot have children (and should not be allowed to adopt as a child requires both a male and female parental figure for healthy development), and therefore there is no justification to giving them the same legal and social benefits that child rearing married couples have. No one is preventing gays from loving one another, living with one another, or being happy with one another. There is simply no purpose for gays to marry.

Moreover, the push for gay marriage is not truly about equality or rights, but an attack on the family unit, an attack on traditional values, and a push for social acceptance of sexual deviancy, perversions, and self-destructive lifestyles. This can easily be observed with the existence of the pride parade, and typical behaviour of members of the LGBT community.

TLDR; OP is a faggot.

>it's another "leftypol shills for faggots" episode
Yawn

>>139837167
Resigned in protest ≠ousted

>>139835321
I don't really care what gay people do, so long as they don't shove their sexuality in my face. Most gays just want to have a normal life and they don't parade that faggot shit around and a lot of them hate the faggots that do that shit because it makes them all look bad.

If you want to stick 1000 ping pong balls up your anus I literally don't care but keep that shit in the bedroom where it belongs.

>>139837246
This is a pretty great translation:

Standal confesses to Sunnmorsposten that he has warned both the bishop, the council of counsel and the staff at the church office that he can not stand as a priest with the new AIDS liturgy.

Likewise, he has told the church sound of a goddess.

The new liturgy can be used all the more from February 1, and in addition to the AIDS liturgy, which was announced in 2003.

Helge Standal returned to hometown, when he was appointed as a soccer champion in 2010.

Prior to that he was between another priest in northern Norway and in Rogaland.

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>>139835321
Honestly don't care if you want some weewee in your poo hole behind closed doors, but I think allowing them to have 'gay pride parades' in public is legitimizing decadence and moral decay and is damaging to children, in short, you can be a faggot, but don't be a disgusting pervert faggot by trying to shock people with your 'pride' in your sexuality.

>>139837157
This is a whole new area. Google may be a private company but they don't own every piece of the net right up to my router.

>>139835920
I'm pro-gay marriage, but I don't believe that churches should be legally obligated to perform them. If the government can force them to compromise their values, what's to stop them from doing the same to me?

The reality is no one really gives a fuck what other people do, so long as they're not imposing their values onto them.

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>>139836616
So your original argument has changed from "we gays aren't trying to force our degeneration on churches" to "well ignore that lawsuit, maybe those gays won't even win it." Do you not realize how absolutely full of shit you sound like right now? This is why people can't stand fags because you idiots are pathological liars hellbent on destroying any semblance of actual tradition and family values for your own, individual instant gratification. You make me fucking sick and you really should be ashamed of yourself.

>>139837391
So you support increasing federal regulation of google?

>>139837451
No that some wacky person filed a lawsuit but that doesn't mean they had any chance of succeeding and indeed didn't.

That is still not an example of a priest or church being ACTUALLY forced by the state to marry gay people. Denmark is the best example you have and I can't find a single church that was actually forced against its will to marry gay people.

not a gay hater, but civil union was enough. It's weird and retarded to want to be 'married' and it will be spoken of in 300 years as a signal of the decline of the american empire

>>139837443
I don't either. We have separation of church and state for a reason here. That is not true of Denmark.

>>139835556
Procreation isn't the point of life, if it was infertile people have no value to society, we are also becoming an overpopulated planet. STD's are high because of lack of education and precaution, this tends to be a subculture of gay people, who have many sexual partners in comparison to straight people. Nature arguments are stupid, rape, incest, killing, shit eating is all natural, so is heterosexuality, bisexuality, homosexuality. Just because something is natural does not mean it is good. Plenty of gay men are masculine, muscular, fat, hairy non-effeminate, there is actually a portion of the community which hates effeminate men.

>>139836039
Pretty sure it's a right, you are not given the privilege of marriage.

>>139836202
Tradition is just a fad that learned to stick.

>>139837455
I support the extermination of google as an entity. How has it not yet passed into monopoly territory?

australians are about to vote for a referendum on this fyi foreign bros

>>139837612
>Procreation isn't the point of life
It literally is. Without procreation life could not exist.

>if it was infertile people have no value to society
Their value comes in the form of improving society for others, and helping build a future for other people's offspring

>STD's are high because of lack of education and precaution
STD rates have risen massively since the 1950s. Are you telling me our sexual education is worse now than it was 60 years ago?

>this tends to be a subculture of gay people, who have many sexual partners in comparison to straight people.
The average gay man has over a hundred partners in a life time. That isn't a sub-culture. That is THE culture. "Normal" gays are the rare exceptions.

>Nature arguments are stupid, rape, incest, killing, shit eating is all natural, so is heterosexuality, bisexuality, homosexuality. Just because something is natural does not mean it is good.
Agreed. That's why the fact that animals occasionally engage in homosexual acts is irrelevant.

>>139836355
Since churches aren't private businesses I don't know what the legalities are around suing for refused service. However, the country in question may have specific anti-discrimination laws.

>>139835321
They are animals that must be destroyed because of their disgusting acts

>>139837534
Marriage has cultural and symbolic significance. It's pretty easy to understand why same-sex couples would want to be able to refer to their partners as their husband, or wife.

>>139835321
Let me ask this question in another way.

Why the fuck do fags want to seal their fag relationship in the presence of an ideology that hates them?

God, if he exists, fucking hates them
The people that are religious believe in god and hate them.

Basically i just cant understand why if you were gay you would want to have a service in a bulding dedicated to people that hate you by people that hate you just because it makes you feel normal.

Go for a civil partnership and everyone is happy.

Its almost like a big show to force people to show they don't tolerate fags..... trying to make a scene about it all. But that's not like fags at all is it.

>>139836868
He might be bisexual you dunce

>>139837612
>Procreation isn't the point of life
It's our best understanding of it.
And if you think otherwise, I challenge you to tell us what is. Because I'm sure the entire world would love to know.

>if it was infertile people have no value to society,
They don't.

>we are also becoming an overpopulated planet
Then stop feeding Africans.

>STD's are high because of lack of education and precaution
They're high because fags are fags, sluts are sluts, and fuckboys are fuckboys.

>this tends to be a subculture of gay people, who have many sexual partners in comparison to straight people
Because you're a bunch of amoral degenerates who hate monogamy.

>Nature arguments are stupid, rape, incest, killing, shit eating is all natural. So is heterosexuality, bisexuality, homosexuality. Just because something is natural does not mean it is good.
Yes. And faggots are one of those natural things that are not good.

>>139835321
No point in 2 men/women getting married, they can't naturally have children and they should not be able to adopt.

>>139836875
Businesses find whatever makes them popular, that's why you have assholes supporting political correctness, because they think it's popular. Businesses, Corporations and what not, much like many politicians have no flag, they just have convenient positions they can turn to, to remain relevant and popular.

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>>139837517
Yeah sure fag, it's just a lone whacky person filing a lawsuit until the first person wins one then all you degenerates pile in the churches trying to file your own lawsuits and scream about oppression. How fucking stupid do you think /pol/ is?

>it's not an example blahblahblah
It's a clear example of gays TRYING to force their agenda on churches and priests which you originally said didn't exist at all. You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears. Just fuck off and top yourself or something. Damn.

>>139837944

Bisexuality in men is a meme that faggots tell themselves because they're too afraid to admit they're gay.
Only women can be bisexual.

As an attractive guy, I cant have gay friends cause not sure if theyre nice to me cause they like me or because they want to fuck me.

>>139837898
I would be shocked if Denmark didn't have sexual orientation-based discrimination laws but that doesn't mean they can force a Church or a priest to marry a gay couple and I haven't seen an actual example of the state exerting such a force. Just saying they can.

>>139838093
Nobody is going to win that.

>>139838024
True

>>139837157
Private companies are not exempt from the law of a country. For example in Australia, it is mandatory for a internet and phone service provider to retain metadata of people for 2 years. If a country also forces them to not discriminate against 'x' kind of people they must also comply if they wish to remain operational. I believe Facebook also has to retain and give information to German authorities on German citizens.

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>>139837817
>tradition is just a fad that stuck
>aka
>fuck your sincerely-held religious beliefs and traditions
>but you should respect my traditions of overt sexual degeneracy
This is why people hate you and you think it's some kind of universal mystery why society rejects you fucking nutjobs.

>>139838225
Ok your Australia and Facebook examples didn't relate to gay marriage though...

>>139835321
First of all what's the point, second it's disgusting and degenerate, third what happens when these faggots get divorced and my money and court time gets wasted dealing with this shit, lastly it's about the principle, you can't just live in a world full of leftwing faggots who let everything slide, that's how we collapse

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>>139835534
spamming debunked shit from /lgbt/ isnt going to win you GBP on pol

any1 have the pics? i dont have them saved
also /r/-ing for some webms of faggots being ""frisky""

>>139837880
Once gay marriage is legalised there will be enforced sex ed curriculum in schools on all LGBT matters. The meaning of marriage will weaken and therefore the weakening of the traditional family unit. It will affect the Anglos more than immigrants that hold onto their traditional cultural values.

>>139835321
This is the same stupid argument as "how does me taking drugs affect you?" nonsense. Of course it affects people. The rest of society is now burdened with your poor decion making. Gays have an astronomical rate of pedophelia and STD transmission. Just as drug users become a burden to those around them. Burden on the health system. Especially in places that have public health care like canada. We are going to have to pay to take care of these faggots when they destroy their assholes.

>>139837534
Except that in most cases, civil unions are only recognised on a state level. So there's a multitude of benefits marriage has over civil unions, insurance plans. And while the marriage of two people is recognised practically world wide, civil unions are not, meaning if you had a civil union in Australia and moved to the UK fof example, your union no longer exists. Civil unions are not even recognised on a national level in Australia.

>>139835321

That sign makes no fucking sense

>>139837938
Marriage far predates Christianity as a social institution, it's not inherently religious. I personally don't attribute any religious significance to marriage.

>>139838433
Thats why they can have a civil partnership.

Marriage as we mostly understand it is conducted in a Church by a priest.

>>139835321
>If I can't marry my boyfriend then I'll marry your daughter

Why does this faggot think that getting back in the closet and reproducing is something we don't want him to do?

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>>139835321

Strawman argument: allowing them to marry won't make them love each other any more or less.

My arguments is this: homosexuality is immoral. Same-sex marriage promotes homosexual behaviour. Sodomites shouldn't be getting married, they should be getting rounded up by police officers and sent to concentration camps.

>>139835321
Because they're sexual perversions cloud their judgement and influence children.
Same with feminists, trannies, etc.

>>139838602
Stay safe don't be fag

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>>139838429
remind me, why is this bad?

>>139838544
A civil partnership isn't the same thing. See >>139837910

>>139838433
Marriage in western society is religious. We get married in churches, we're brought together in HOLY matrimony etc. Christianity adopted the practice of marriage from the Romans, which as I explained in >>139837195 was practiced explicitly for rearing children.

>>139835321
Marriage and it's associated benefits are there to encourage people to have children. Normal, healthy children which is why I don't think single mothers should get child benefit.

>>139837891
Life and nature doesn't have a point, it just does what it does, it isn't logical, or rational, intelligent in any way, it does what is convenient.

Gay's and Lesbians can also improve society for future generations.

I'm almost certain that STD's have decreased significantly in recent years, with the decrease being associated with better education and availability of protection.

I'm absolutely certain that your stats on gay male promiscuity is wrong, 100 is one of the highest I've seen, but that's very rare. I've seen a number say around 20, for above their 20's. However these are old stats, and the number of partners tends to decrease as I understand.

>>139837782
Through the state it's a privilege. That's why there's regulations and procedures to follow for it to be granted. The end result being favorable tax status for couples to raise children.

Why get married in a religious building btw?
Every significant religion expressly forbids homosexuality so why do gays want to get married in a church?
Because they're spiteful and the power of the state allows them to spite an institution they've declared their enemy.
This is also how average people grew to despise the dregs of society in Weimar. You have an insatiable histrionic drive to spread your discontent. You are a damaged person, spiteful and angry. You hate the winners of society so you attack their institutions.
And what would happen if more of you were allowed to spread your misery? Well we already know, we have a name for that scenario called the age of decadence. It precedes an age of decline and the collapse of society. You'll destroy the nations that bend over backwards placating you and you'll be damned pleased about it.

>>139838904
This is fake and gay
If you want to live a good and healthy life just don't be fag
It's easy

>>139838694
So, basically marriage changes based on social/cultural context. Given that most people (in the West), are now in favour of same-sex marriage, it makes sense that the laws would change to reflect this.

>>139839122
The only marriage that is safe (since the shitty divorce) for the ones in it is the traditional marriage
The others are meaningless for the society as a whole or dangerous for the ones in it

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>>139838904
>Life and nature doesn't have a point, it just does what it does, it isn't logical, or rational, intelligent in any way, it does what is convenient.
That's where God comes into play, but we won't go there.

>Gay's and Lesbians can also improve society for future generations.
Agreed. Alan Turing is a good example. However he remained a closet homosexual for the duration of his career and did not try to push his degeneracy on anyone. He even married a woman because he understood the importance of upholding tradition for the good of himself and society, even if it was a sham. Unfortunate what happened to him in the end.

>I'm almost certain that STD's have decreased significantly in recent years, with the decrease being associated with better education and availability of protection.
Not true. Pic related. A bunch more for other STD's from the CDC if you do a google search. So again, tell me, is this steady rise in chlamydia due to education becoming worse? Or perhaps due to people becoming more promiscuous...it's almost like sexual urges are more powerful than rational decision making in the heat of the moment.

"gay men typically have more partners than lesbians, and one study in San Francisco found that nearly 50% of gay men had more than 500 partners."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201703/it-s-the-mode-men-have-more-sex-partners

>>139838009
Life doesn't require a reason, we are not owed a reason to exist. It is natural to procreate, nature doesn't require a point, because it isn't logical, rational, or intelligent.

A point not worth discussing

Asia is more populated than Africa.

Doesn't really refute anything.

Some gay people are monogamous, even one example is enough to counter your point.

Nature isn't moral, or ethical, we tend to judge things as good or bad with Utilitarianism, and some deontology, but not much because it tends to be quite religious. With this judgement in mind, the act of being gay, engaging in gay sex, and same-sex marriage doesn't necessarily take away from the utility of the population, there is nothing inherently wrong with it.

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Homosexuals are mentally sick individuals who God has given up on. They have been separated from their own humanity and have mindless sodomy with dozens of their own sex because they have the hearts of wild dogs. Dignifying this grave disorder with the dignity of marriage is the final act of a society busily heaping up its own funeral pyre.

>>139838101
I'm bisexual, absofuckinglutely bisexual. I have a noticeable sexual attraction to both men and women and enjoy the figure of both in different, but definitely sexual ways.

>>139835321
Do whatever the fuck you want faggot but don't call it marriage.

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

>>139835321
How about gay marriage in israel

>>139838237
I never said to respect my "traditions," whatever those traditions actually are. People don't, or shouldn't have a right to have their beliefs respected.

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>>139839298
>>139838904
>mfw this is caused by "lack of education"

>>139839260
You are entitled to that opinion, and on a personal level, you can define marriage in whatever way you see fit. My point is that you don't get to decide how society as whole defines it.

>>139835321
I'm probably never going to get married.

So if some fag wants to marry another fag sure why not.

>>139838432
Bisexual?

>>139835321
Someone want to explain this sign in OPs pic?
I really don't understand the point gay guy is trying to make

>>139838544
No, marriage is in legal form as well as religious. If it were changed to something else, A LOT of laws would have to change to compensate for it.

>>139839662
It reminds me of that video where gay guys jokingly threatened to marry straight guys' girlfriends, except that actually made sense.

>>139838934
If I get married it won't be in a church, you can literally just fill out the form (I think it requires a witness too) then that's it. I don't know who's actually asking to be married in a church, there aren't that many gay Christians.

You're attaching some half Freudian, half Conspiracy Theorist bullshit to the end which doesn't really apply at all, at the very least to me.

>>139839662
if he cant eat his partners shit and do other kinky shit on him while getting tax cuts he will marry your daughter and do it to her
or, you know, hes just bi>>139839599 and trying to be friendly :^)

Marriage, according to the law here, is (was? fuck if I know) an union between a man and women with the (main) purpose of procreation.
Unless that is changed I don't see why they'd need marriage. Civil unions exist, and they pretty much offer the same benefits.

>>139839040
Yes, it's just my intention to be hated in tons of countries with a number supplying forced mutilation, lashings, and beheading. kek

>>139839895
No, Freud was obsessed with dicks. That's you faggot.

>>139840019
How many gay people do you suppose live in the middle-east? How many of them actually get beheaded or imprisoned? Hmmm. Maybe just keep it to yourself and you'll be fine?

>>139835321
>Marriage Equality
>say what?
Gays and lesbians has equal right and they can have marry some1 too. Marriage is based on religion so if u erase religion then it means nothing.

>>139835366

CARLOS!

>>139839662
Well, would you rather have a son-in-law who doesn't love your daughter, makes her miserable and will most likely cheat on her with men, or would you rather that guy marry another man, while your daughter marries a straight dude who loves and treats her right?

>>139839994
>Civil unions exist, and pretty much offer the same benefits
Except for the fact that they don't.

>>139835534
>there's nothing wrong with being gay
>acts like a faggot

You sure are convincing me, rainbow bitch.

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>>139840617
>if you dont give us tax cuts for being faggots we will intentionally marry your daughter even tho the marriage will result in failure and we'll ruin your family bloodline
wow, this thread really changed my mind, gays do seem like reasonable people, i mean, they even look like us

>>139835321
>How does two dudes being wed to one another effect you?
Bake my fucking cake.

I think marriage between 2 men is stupid. Because marriage itself is stupid.
Just don't kill them/ torture them and let nature deal with these faggots.

>>139839311
>we are not owed a reason to exist

Then hang yourself already.

>>139835321
government has no business even acknowledging marriage of any kind, double for divorce. separation of church and state.

>>139840174
>Marriage is based on religion so if u erase religion then it means nothing.
That's simply not true. Marriage was originally, and still is primarily a social institution. On a governmental level, it is strictly a legal institution. Christians attribute religious significance to it, but that doesn't give them a monopoly on marriage.

>>139841208
Dont let them near children either

>>139841316
>Christians attribute religious significance to it
because they have every right to do so, throwing away religious influence on marriage would simply be idiotic

>>139839298
He married a woman because he didn't want to be constantly hated and tortured by a society that hated the fact that he was gay. He ended up killing himself because it was so bad.

Yes, I was definitely wrong about those stats on STD's, though I still believe the issue isn't increase in promiscuity, it's decrease in protective sex, and sexual education.

That stat for number of sexual partners was from San Francisco, and it's not recent, there are also studies which show a statistically significant difference from that, while that study say 50% with >500, another says 40% with >40.

This stat shows a significant decrease, even adding the yearly average of 2.3, not considering the number of partners would significantly decrease going later in life the number is under 200 partners.

http://www.aidsmap.com/Consistent-decline-in-partner-numbers-in-US-gay-men-in-last-decade-but-no-change-in-condom-use/page/2635086/

>>139835321
Stop faggotising the sacred bonds of marriage, gay kike nigger.

>>139841363
Fuck I'd say don't let straight people near children unless they pass a mental health test.
I know some straight fuckers that raped their own fucking children.
If their gay but at least can be 99.99999% sure that they won't be a fucking paedophile that go right the ahead.

>>139840035
Freud made conclusions about someone's psychological state based primarily on sexuality, and sexual desire, that kind of shit. Bullshit regardless.

>>139840943
Noones asking for fags to have special rights and privileges all to themselves, Gays just want to be treated the same as everyone else under the eyes of the law. The same rights and responsibilities offered to every other human being.
>ruin your family bloodline
I'm sure he'll still get your daughter preggers if that's all you care about.

>>139841001
I never agreed with that either, we all know those bakeries were targeted for their beliefs before those fags ever requested a gay wedding cake, and wanted to be rejected to create drama. Fags can be shitty people, just like everyone else.

>>139840091
Thankfully I'm not under threat of death in the country I live in, so I have no reason not to protest against something which I believe is unjust, or something of that sort.

>>139841766
Yes they do. That doesn't make it theirs though.

>>139841263
That's stupid, just because life gives you no reason, doesn't mean you need to be impractical with your life.

>>139841787
>it's decrease in protective sex, and sexual education
>sex ed
stop this meme right fucking now
what does education have to do with spreading STDs? removing actual lesson time in schools just so some retard can have time to tell a group of 12 year olds
>"now kids, remember not do ejaculate in your partners mouth!"
or some other disguisting shit will have little to no effect on the spread of STD. all it will do is traumatize kids and promote the promiscuity

>>139840617
All I'm getting from your argument is that gays just want to marry someone but don't care who.
Also that they are truly horrible people who will use others for their own ends, even going so far as wasting a woman's entire life, never giving her the chance to be happy with someone who loves her just so they can have their big day. Nasty degenerate fucks.

>>139835321
It's ghey as fuk.

>>139842350
Tell that to literally every country that lacks proper sex education. Sex ed decreases unwanted pregnancies, and helps people understand the dangers of STD's.

>>139842412
He's just explaining the sign the guy was holding up, which is just a joke/empty threat. Lighten up a little eh?

>>139842412
For a number of gay men, marrying a woman has been done out of family duty. Marriages are also arranged in places like Japan for gay men and Lesbian women to keep up appearances.

>>139842412
Except gays have never married out of spite. Gays have only ever married people of the opposite sex because that's what friends, family, law and society has told them to do, to stay closeted for their well-being and protection. But nobody is happy in that relationship, the gay person is left just as miserable as their straight partner. Hypothetical scenario's like these could easily be avoided if gays were just treated the same as every other human being.

>>139842066
>I'm sure he'll still get your daughter preggers if that's all you care about.
how is "faggot impregnating your daugher" not ruining your family bloodline
also
>The same rights and responsibilities offered to every other human being.
then im guessing the barely 10% of western countries population is more worth than millions of women and children who are being used as sex slaves and goods. they are more worth because they are given more media attention, there are more people marching in the streets for them and lgbt groups around the globe are extremely well funded. just so faggots can get things like tax cunts. i guess problems involving much bigger numbers of people and those that have much bigger impacts on society and the world are not so important because gays are human beans and are denied the 100% full comfort of the western world
kindly fuck off

>>139842493
>literally every country that lacks proper sex education
such as....oh right, almost all those countires are in africa

>>139835321
marriage is a meaningless institution with no societal function outside of religious ceremony.

>>139843343
Yep, they have a terrible record for it, I also think some South American country or countries have a serious STD problem. You tend to find that people that are less educated have more unprotected sex and more children.

>>139835321
1996
>bill clinton passes doma
>hillary defends it by saying being gay is a sin
2013
>hillary delcares she longer believes gays are evil
>refuses to do anything let them legally marry each other
2016
>steal's burger king's idea and starts selling a rainbow version of her logo
>glaad gives her an award for helping advance gay rights

It's hard to take marriage equality seriously when the people who are for it cheer on the people who helped take it away from them just because they sell stickers you find aesthetically pleasing

>>139843600
Well, it used to have more significance, but in modern society you're right, it's pretty much meaningless. In NZ, if you live together for two years you get the same rights as a married couple. It's now considered standard for unmarried couples to move in together, whereas only 30 years ago that was largely viewed as unacceptable. If you're worried about the sanctity of marriage, it's already down the drain.

>>139835321

The argument is irrelevant,

Science fact is Homosexuals are a genetic dead end and your genes are faulty enough for nature to select deletion ... hence your home attraction.

>>139843630
>You tend to find that people that are less educated have more unprotected sex and more children.
this is factually correct and i can agree with it, but only in the sense of real education, not having monthly lessons with some guy telling you not to stick your dick into your partners eyes or ears and teaching you how to buttfuck or mastrurbate
learning maths increases your logical thinking and cognitive abilities. combine that with history, geography and some sciences and you suddenly have people making better decisions
africa has a problem with education in general, also with infrastructure, famine and whatnot
im sure if you send a billion of sex ""educators"" to africa they will have almost no impact
thats because africa is a shithole filled with problems, not because they lack in sex ed you imbecile

The same way tearing down statues affects you.

Likewise homosexuals are allies with an push transgenderism and similar movements - which is what disgusts me about them the most were it not for that I would gladly support gay marriage but no they have to the 5th column for sexual debauchery and cultural degeneracy.

>>139843248
Don't really understand your argument here dude. There are various organisations that go towards rescuing and helping abused women and children and sex slaves, and if that's the cause you're more focused on then by all means go and support, fund and raise awareness on those topics, noones stopping you. There's no reason why many problems in the world today can't be addressed, and no reason for you to support one cause, while being against eveey single other cause.
Not that you actually give a shit about child sex slaves mind you.

>>139838420
if this had citations I'd spread it

>>139844370
>t. someone who doesn't understand genetics

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>>139835366
fpbp

>>139835321
This is a slide thread.

>>139844531
you were arguing for faggots because of their characteristic of being a human bean
i pointed out that there are more pressing issues in which you can help other people if your reason for wanting to help other people is based on them being human. and issues like sex trafficking and jews and christians being mass slaughtered by muslims can be lessened by getting rid of actually evil people. and getting rid of those people doesnt fuck over other giant groups of people (fags asking to be married in churches, "the cake problem",marching naked in the streets showing imodest behaviour)
>while being against eveey single other cause
im just against faggotry
>Not that you actually give a shit about child sex slaves mind you.
you have no idea what you're talking about

>>139835321
If two consenting adult men of sound mind want to slink off in privacy and lick each other's assholes, that is entirely up to them. However, marriage does not need to be redefined to accommodate this.
It's not for the supporters of the status quo to have to prove their case, it is for the proponents of reform to prove their case.
And thirdly, OP is a fag.

>>139845415
its also hindus, buddhists and people belonging to other eastern religions
even atheists
muslims are, as you see, very tolerant people
they dont discriminate. i think im starting to see why retarded lefties have a boner on muslims

>>139835321
marriage equality already exists you fucktard

or do you think heterosexual men can marry other men? fuck off you whiny fags

>>139838326
well said, brother.
based tone actually pointed out your first point which is the biggest: that legalisation sets precedent of normalisation and therefore must then be taught to kids

for any foreign bros interested: australia's version of fag-pedo agenda is called (wait for it) "safe schools" program
God help us

>>139846131
https://twitter.com/2GB873/status/899420292732170240

>>139835606
>using a study from 1988, when by now literally everything you've spammed on this thread as damage control has been disproven multiple times

>>139835321
>First they ceme for Marriage
>And I said nothing, because it didn't affect me
>Then they came for Bathrooms
>And II said nothing, because it didn't bother me
............
>Now a Transhuman Helicopter man married my 8-year old son, and there were no one I could ask help.

>>139846034
You know what they mean you fucking retard, a gay man doesn't want to marry a straight woman, and I doubt she does either.

>>139846131
Just looked it up and it says it requires parental consent before participation. The government shouldn't have any business in these matters at all, but so long as parents have the choice, I don't see an issue.

>>139846467
And the average gay man doesn't want to marry another gay man. He's too busy attending his standard fuck partys.
Less than 10% take up rate of marriage among same sex couples where it is available, and a staggering 80% divorce rate among lesbian couples.

>>139843124
I don't even give a shit about gay marriage, but saying give me what I want or I'll ruin someone else's life is just shitty. And even without gay marriage you could still live openly as a gay person, so why drag some poor unsuspecting woman into it and make her miserable? Nasty.

>>139846661
So they shouldn't have the same right to marriage?

>>139846768
Oh come on, he wouldn't actually go and do that and you know it.

>>139846864
You're a bit thick, aren't you?

>>139846864
you have the same rights you idiot

>>139835321
It does not serve the purpose of marriage.
1 No offsprings
2 It destroys the family legacy by splitting it with strangers that won't perpetuate the family genetic patrimony.

No one cares you fuck each other in the ass. But no one likes the idea to have survived and raised a little fucker that won't perpetuate the family.

>>139846882
lol. Then what's the fucking point?

Anyway, threatening to trap other people in loveless and sexless relationships and use them (or just threatening other people at all really) is a really shitty thing to do.

His argument is bad and he should feel bad.

>>139846918
Gay men can marry women, but they aren't sexually interested in women, it's the equal right to marry someone that they are actually sexually interested in you twat.

>>139847501
>it's the equal right to marry someone that they are actually sexually interested in you twat.

Why don't they marry children,then? That's right, pedophilia is against the law, even though gay men have over 15x the molestation rate of straight men.

>b-but straight men marry children all the time!
In uncivilized countries like in the middle east, but not in developed nations.

>>139835321
faggots should all die

>>139848051
It's disingenuous to claim that gay men are more likely to molest children than straight men, when the vast majority of child molestation has nothing to do with sexual orientation; it's psychological. Most men who molest boys report no sexual interest in adult men, and many are straight.

>>139847501
>pedos can marry women, but they aren't sexually interested in women, it's the equal right to marry someone that they are actually sexually interested in you twat
>zoophiles can marry women, but they aren't sexually interested in women, it's the equal right to marry someone that they are actually sexually interested in you twat
so equality according to you is when pedos can marry and fuck little babies, when zoophiles can marry and fuck any animal, when everyone can marry and fuck whatever they want

know what? then I will marry this universe and ban all dumb retards like you from being anywhere close to my wife

>>139835321
gays dont need to be encouraged by the state

>>139848413
>has nothing to do with sexual orientation; it's psychological.

Um, no sweetie, sexual orientation is completely psychological: most modern psychologists will say it's a choice!

>Most men who molest boys [male] ... and many are straight.

Oh sweetie, having male on male sex isn't heterosexual

Let them for a civil union with the same rights as marriage if they want... Just stop trying to force churches to marry them.

>>139848999
I'm just telling you the facts, and facts don't care about your feelings.

>>139835321
Marriage allows several government benefits. These are earned, because it's assumed that the man and the woman will reproduce. Faggots just fuck each other in the ass, so they don't deserve the same benefits of those participating in a normal human life cycle.

I am a lolbertarian. I am for it.

The 1st Amendment protects it.

There are some Christian churches that allow it anyway.

Tho I did tell one gay friend I changed my mind and am against it if only so I am not the last of my friends to get married.

>>139835321
I have nothing against gay marriage. Just fucking get married like a normal person and stop being such a fag about it.

Does anybody realize that gays literally stick their dicks in poop?

>>139848999
Most adults who molest children are not pedophiles. Not all child molestors are pedophiles and not all pedophiles are child molestors. You seem to be conflating the two. Also, most pedophiles are exclusively attracted to children, and do not report sexual attraction to adults of either gender.

>most modern psychologists will say it's a choice!
Bollocks.

>having male on male sex isn't heterosexual
Most men who molest boys aren't acting on sexual attraction, but enjoy having power over someone. This is what I mean by psychological.

>>139850762
Could you tell us in some detail how New Zealand has declined since offering up marriage to homosexuals?

>>139851104
No one gives a shit.

AGAINST legal homosexual marriage. Why? Because SOCIETY gets to define and determine what marriage is, and who gets to marry. I'm against it because homosexuality is degenerate, and carries a COST to society.

>>139835321
Enough with these fucking threads and the fucking fag flag larpers who have 50+ posts by this id by the time the thread gets archived.