Hinduism General

>>139828788
>Political Significance of Hinduism in this Age

All the decadence of the world today has been predicted by Hinduism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga

Prophesied events during a Kali Yuga

>Rulers will become unreasonable: they will levy taxes unfairly.
>Rulers will no longer see it as their duty to promote spirituality, or to protect their subjects: they will become a danger to the world.
>People will start migrating, seeking countries where wheat and barley form the staple food source.
>At the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respectable gentlemen of the three higher varnas [temperament] and when nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice, even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the supreme chastiser.

Kali Yuga with regard to human relationships

>Avarice and wrath will be common. Humans will openly display animosity towards each other. Ignorance of dharma will occur.
>People will have thoughts of murder with no justification and will see nothing wrong in that.
>Lust will be viewed as socially acceptable and sexual intercourse will be seen as the central requirement of life.
>Sin will increase exponentially, while virtue will fade and cease to flourish.
>People will take vows and break them soon after.
>People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks and drugs.
>Teachers will no longer be respected and their students will attempt to injure them. Their teachings will be insulted, and followers of Kama(lust) will wrest control of the mind from all human beings.

>>139828788
Resources
>introduction to Hinduism for westerners
https://archive.org/stream/reneguenon/1921%20-%20Introduction%20to%20the%20Study%20of%20the%20Hindu%20Doctrines%20#page/n1/mode/1up


>Bhagavad Gita
http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/index-english.html

https://archive.org/details/TheBhagavadGitaByCRajagopalachari
>Upanishads
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/upanishadindex.asp

>Vedas
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/

>MAHABHARATA by C Rajagopalachari
http://www.gita-society.com/section3/mahabharata.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiHrferzdbSAhXIQ48KHXpjBfIQFggnMAA&usg=AFQjCNEVJFySM166gELxlwp_gULUgD7yjw&sig2=KRg3OHxt-7NTN7O0TaIkYw

>Ramayan Anime
https://youtu.be/rAM9x_GF9VY

>>139828788
Stop descerating Shankar Bhagwan with that half-baller

>>139828990
>being this new
he gassed them jews too,didnt he ?

>>139828788
How do I convert?

>>139829559
You cannot, you can follow the book at most and conversion is immaterial everyone follows the eternal law

>>139829620
Can I just say I'm an Hindu then?

I want an excuse to wear swastikas

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>>139829904
>mfw Finns can fly a swastika with impunity

>>139829904
Yes you certainly can, just get the hindu swastikas

>>139830053
Based Mongolians

>>139830053
Isn't that your airforce flag, I am quite interested in the Finns some Finnish anons have pointed out to me that hindu and old Finnish gods have a lot of similarities

>>139830053
Story?

>>139830319
https://m.imgur.com/hWL2AyO

>>139828788

Former Hindu here. Let me redpill you.

>The most poorly defined and poorly documented "religion" ever
>Hindu used to be a geographic descriptor. Changed into a religious identity as a result of Muslim invasions. So practically, is not older than Islam.
>Age of religion is based on the oldest signs of civilisation found in the region, despite not know what said civilisation actually believed in.
>Religious texts undecipherable due to the fact that Sanskrit was a dead language and was "restored"
>Other religions at the time DID exist, like Jainism, Buddhism, so Hinduism wasn't misunderstood. It just didn't exist.
>As a result of all of the above, modern Pajeets are making things up as they go along.

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P O O

>>139828788
fucking retard, Hinduism is not a religion and never will be. it is a way of thinking of enlightenment. now kys street shitter.

>>139828788
>Hinduism is neither polytheistic, monotheistic, trinitarian or henotheistic, yet it is all at the same time.
That is you guys have no fucking idea of what your doing so you claim you're everything so no one can say shit about you.

>>139831011
>not reading the op
>rig Vedas mention accurate geographic and astronomical proofs of the age
>sanskrit is a dead language while millions of Hindus recite the texts daily in sanskrit

>>139831164
lol idiot you do realize all major religions came from hinduism, right?

>>139831011
I can already tell you live east of punjab from reading this
>>139831111
>not reading the op
>

>>139828788

based pajeets will free us from moksha and lead us to the atman or brahma or whatever it's called

>>139831011

what are rig vedas
what is ramayana

gtfo pajeet wannabe

>>139831299
Atleast read the op, well provid you with moksha

>>139831269
>came from Hinduism
Sure pajeet. Since there's a 1000 or so gods in India I'm sure you can wring out similarities somehow.

calling Hitler an avatar is about as bad of Karma as spitting in Krisna's face, you fucking turd.

stop.

>>139831496
>muh gods
Why do cut dicks have the same arguments, is their a other religions 101 in the madarsas

>>139831553
>no mention of Hitler being an avatar in the thread

>>139831299
ugh... moksa is the freedom retard. its samsara you get liberated from you fucking swine.

>>139831111
the retardation is strong with you

>>139831011
shut up retard, you dishonour ur ancestors and now worship a kike. nice job.

>>139829904
might want to actually learn something about the system before wearing swastikas given this is part of the reason Hitler the NOTAVATAR failed so spectacularly in his mission (an Avatara would NOT have failed)

>>139829559
we'll let people join the dictatorship with honour based on how many of those in the rival dictatorship they kill :)

>>139829011
it's actually USA no one would give a shit about were your not being propped up by your kike masters petrodollar supremacy, you fucking child with an infinite inferiority complex.

>>139831604
Pajeets will claim they invented everything. Bring any counter arguement and their brains go into superpooper mode.

>>139831638
the pic THE FUCKING PIC imbecile

>>139831859
all knowledge does come from the Vedas. the (((AIT))) is 100% kike bullshit that you are too retarded not to reject. some of you are so retarded as to tell me huwhites gave Indians the Vedas.... fuckin retard. being reincarnated as a pig is too good for you you fucking nincompoop.

>>139831859
Still no arguments or any contributions to the thread, as is the case with your religion, remove your flag Pierre khan
>>139831893
>shiv had avatars

>>139831338
>what are rig vedas

I actually do want to know this. Wtf is Rig Vedas?

Most of it is indecipherable, doesn't make sense, and requires commentary.
Oldest manuscript is dated 1400AD, because apparently it was passed down orally for 1000s of years LOL.
Researchers try to date the text by making sense of the content, which by their own admission is nonsensical for the most part, so they try to date it using the attached commentary.
They also attempted to date it by dating the "indo-arayn" language which they is the dead version of Sanskrit. Somehow they manage to translate something from a dead language.

Do read about it Pajeet. It makes no fucking sense. Hinduism is embarrassing.

SHOW BOB AND OPEN VAGANE

>>139832232
The Mittani Indo-Aryan language is considered older than Vedic or Avestan because it has aika instead of eka. Vedic is supposed to to have merged ai to e and hence is considered younger. But if you take the word for seven in Mittani - satta, it is considered to be much later than Vedic. So some folks believe that this dating based on selectively chosen words cannot be trusted fully.

If you look at the Avestan and Vedic language you see that 'h' in one language has been renamed as 's' in another. There are people like Rajesh Kochchar and Romila Thapar who believe that the Vedic people migrated from the Haraxvati (Saraswati) region in Afghanistan and not the mythical Saraswati flowing underground through Rajasthan. It seems this replacing 's' with 'h' is prevalent in some parts of Rajasthan and Assam even today. One point of view is that it is not possible to find which one came first based on language traits.
The seventh mandala of the Rigveda records the vernal equinox in Mrigashira Constellation pointing to a date around 4000 BCE - a fact noted by Jacobi and Tilak.
Again several Shulba Sūtrās declare that a pole star is visible. Since a visible pole star occurs only at certain epochs, such a citation gives a normal range of dates for that event. The astronomical dates put the dates before 4000BC.

That puts us at at least 6017 year ago.

>>139832330
The likely authors of the Vedas are the Haarpans

Bhagwan Singh, an avid writer on the Indus Valley civilisation, sees the entire Harappan ecology in the Rig Veda. He chides those who have been "using both their brains and chair to save the Vedic Aryans from the Harappan authorship". Now we have a continuous history of the Indian continent from 7000 BC.

>Haarpans finds.

Take Mehrgarh in Balochistan as an example. This site is clearly 9,500 years old. New carbon-dating technology has suggested a 12,000-10,000 year timeline for Mehrgarh. Did Mehrgarh and Mohenjo Daro come after Rakhigarhi? Surely no one is going to buy such an assumption in a hurry.

Harappa itself is an early period find, that being 3,000 BCE or 5,000 years plus old. The other finds in Pakistan, and more recently in Afghanistan, point to a stable agro-based settlement people 4,500 BCE or 6,500 years ago.
Hence we arrive at the date of around 10,000 years.

>>139832236
Xd

>>139832330
>>139832363

This is exactly how Pajeet historians operate. Assumption after assumption with an embarrassing amount of guesswork.

You mention Indus valley and Mehrgarh because they are the oldest examples of civilisation in Asia, yet their languages and texts are indecipherable and no human remains have ever been found. Some fucking how, you manage to create links with IVC to modern hinduism and India....literally what the fuck is going on in your brain?

Do you even realise that no Hindu text in existence is older than 700 years? Everything else is based on assumption.

>>139831269
Can you back this up or prove it at least you dumb currynigger?

>>139828788
What do pajeets think about Israel?

>>139832955
>discredit published historians
Ok Rasheed, explain the temples that still exists in India, let's put a stop to your muh language debate, I'll agree we don't know what language the harrapans spoke but they have similar deities, lets completely ignore that what about the sanskrit in the Vedas how exactly is it unknown or requires commentary, are we going to argue sanskrit is 700 years old your people tried but we still have immense archeological and a written proof, make an argument lad

>>139833319
Hindu zionist is a thing look it up, as for the general panjeet they think you are another victim of mudslimes

>>139828788
1. How do you explain the fact that india is both known for its philosophers and rich culture but also for beeing a bit of shithole?

2. Is the cast system and reincarnation corelated? if so were the lower cast people scum in previous life?

3. how do you justify reincarnation?

>>139833439
I read a lot in the news that you could fuck the pakis up if they mess with you. Also a lot of israelis go to India to travel many people here like you guys.

>>139833486
The shit hole part is recent history we were quite fine before the anglos arrived with (((civilisation))).

>2
Yes and they probably didn't follow their dharma
>3
Well westerners pay too much heed to it for us it's a part of life no justification required, you could argue against it I suppose
>>139833583
I Fugged one of your idf girls in kasol although I was young and not particularly woke on real life Jews till then I was only aware of them as people from mein Kampf

>>139832030
and Hitler WASN'T ONE OF THEM. BABOON.

>>139833958
Topkek, how many avatar did shiv have
Inb4 hanuman

>>139833958
It's a joke nair man which you are talking way too seriously

>>139833776
didnt they bring technological advancements which you missed because of the mughals though?

as a hellenist i too believe in reincarnation, but it only extends to family members. does reincarnation happen only from one human to another?

How are christians and muslims viewed in your country?

>>139834660
Unless your point of view implies that just after the start of the industrial revolution a country 9000+km away would've gotten the tech unless if was for the mughals, then yes they did bring us 'technology' a people which knew the circumference of the earth while the Europeans still believed in a flat earth.

Reincarnation happens between all life form

>Christians and Muslim
Low caste scum who converted

>>139834660
Muslims are not thought of well in India, especially considering the history of Pakistan, they're not to fond of Sudanese people either, or really Africans in general.

>>139834894
fair enough

have a lot of respect for india. hopefully europe will return to its pagan roots one day

>Low caste scum who converted
amazing

>>139835474
as far as i have heard the history goes even further back

what have africans done in india?

>>139835474
Mfw African are thrashed in the middle of the street on live TV

>>139835675
Firstly they are easy to identify and secondly they sell drugs to kids which is looked down in society so they have an image of being drug peddlers

>>139835747
Yea, according to some people they're "cannibals", "rape children" then eat the children, it's fucking ridiculous the extent in which people in India will go to demonize Africans.

>>139835817
No its primarily selling drugs and yes people do fear they'll steal kids, you can be an African student here and no one will do anything, it really makes me think

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>>139828788
You guys are allright. Respect unto my Hindi /pol/tards. Bhagavad Gita Chapter 11 is based as fuck.

>>139829063
Your leader lost the war

>>139837255
No humanity lost the war, imbecile

>>139831011
Absolutely this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC-s2xmFhQ8

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Hope everyone in this thread realizes fascism/national socialism is the return to sanatana dharma (natural law) after centuries under semitic, Jewish non-European monotheism.

How do followers of sanatana dharma in India feel about Europeans returning to ancestral paganism and nationalism?

>>139838204
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A935bq8Vtko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeLHtFJBdmM

>>139838204
>>139832330
Pastor Anderson has better videos

>>139838230
Well anon, I believe national socialism is derived from the Vedas.
>European returning to...
I see the trend only on this board not in real life but most of the people are unaffected by the foreign world

>>139838493
These vids were made based on a book by an Indian physicist from Kerala.

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>>139839144

>>139839283
Yes Jewish religion always want credit for everything it ain't new lad, ask him what the mauryan empire

>>139839369
Did you refute any of claims about the iconography? or his interpretation of the Upanishads?

>>139831011
>Former Hindu here
>not older than Islam
Found the mudslim.
Piss off Jamal.

>>139828788
Are there stereotypes for those who worship different gods such as Shiva, Vishnu, Devi, Ganesha, Surya and other common forms of the personal god.

>>139839451
>aum is Christian
How do I take this video or any of its contents seriously, what about temples that are older than Christianity, they are all fakes? I provided you with linguistic and astronomical proof about the Vedas, now you need to provide me with records that show Jesus existed

>>139839743
Not really but it is said you gain the Characteristics of the God who you worship

>>139833356
>similar deities

Without any translated texts or known history, how the fuck can you determine this? Because the statue looks like it's meditating? LOL

This is what happens when you turn a geographic descriptor like Hindu into a vague religious identity. It allows you make any number of claims and make things up as you go along.

>>139831011
Not older than islam had me laughing. This guy is retarded.

>>139831111
Basically any philosophy you believe is your religion.

>>139831269
People are waking up like a motherfucker god damn!

>>139840055
We ignored that part Rasheed I don't claim anywhere harrapans were hindu I am still waiting for an argument with historic claims and citation

>>139831011
Mleccha durvidhi what else for this usffering parasite?

>>139839457
>Pajeet is upset

The oldest known rigveda manuscript is from 1000 AD. This is a fact.

I generally laugh at the 6000 year old claim. It's a sanitized version meant for western audiences, because according to the same rig vedas, Hinduism is actually 1.6 million years old, or a trillion years old depending on which commentary you are reading.

So why do you settle for 6000 years old when you could claim to be millions or trillions years old?

>>139828788
Reminder ancient Vedic and India was founded by Aryan Nordics conquering the local Dravidians, bred with them thus creating the caste system.

>>139840275
>Mleccha
Does this word just mean someone lower than an untouchable? I remember reading that Swami Vivekananda said India was doomed the day it invented this word.

>>139840339
>>139832330
>published historian
>Rasheed
Hmmm, I am claiming 10,000 years faggot the purans say its billions of years old, you still haven't quoted a single source

>>139840198

According to Muslims, their religion is a continuation of all Abrahamic religions, so why not just take their word for it and make Islam 2400 years old? We dont, because we dont need to subscribe to their version and we go by the actual age of their books.

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>>139840339
>The oldest known rigveda manuscript
>While written manuscripts were used for teaching in medieval times, they were written on birch bark or palm leaves, which decompose and therefore were routinely copied over the generations to help preserve the text.

>>139840545
Fuck off mate. This is not an official debate. You can google any of my statements. I am not making them up. I have no need.

>>139840618
You forgot Tibet and Central Asia since there is evidence of equally vague pagan religions that Hindus can claim and reinvent for their imaginary past.

>>139840574
>age of the book is age of the religion
Yes I made a post from an acclaimed historians book, they uniformly agree its atleast 6k years old some of them believe it's 10k years old
>>139840705
You fuckin retard this isn't your madarsa, point out where the accepted western historical narrative deviates from the op and I'll change it, read beyond what you are taught in school and what your parents tell you, I am still saying quote a source or fuck off

>>139840545
http://rigveda.us/b1/undediphered.pdf

>>139831269
Most religions come from proto Indo-European polytheism, so does Hinduism, is more correct.

>>139840951
>western historical narrative deviates

LOL. dont kid yourself. This is Pajeet historical narrative. No westerner has ever concluded anything nice about the vedas.

Here. Contains Pajeet spin but highlights the "problem"
http://rigveda.us/b1/undediphered.pdf

>>139841140

Pajeets are wewuzzing and rewriting history to claim that they are still following the original Indo-European polytheism

>>139828788
i am India american an im white aryan becase hindu aryan so we are actuali white too bros

>>139840873
Tibetan Buddism is not Indian now, ok
>>139840981
It says western cannot interpret the poems and they are too vague for them, so it's all wrong brilliant argument
>>139841156
Modern History Heinrich Himmler and the SS Ahnenerbe http://www.ibtimes.com/heinrich-himmler-nazi-hindu-214444 Mein Kampf a bestseller in India https://mic.com/articles/120411/how-hitler-s-mein-kampf-became-a-bestseller-in-india#.jgVB9FHmT Arthur Schopenhauer on the Vedas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Schopenhauer#Influences >If the reader has also received the benefit of the Vedas, the access to which by means of the Upanishads is in my eyes the greatest privilege which this still young century (1818) may claim before all previous centuries, if then the reader, I say, has received his initiation in primeval Indian wisdom, and received it with an open heart, he will be prepared in the very best way for hearing what I have to tell him. It will not sound to him strange, as to many others, much less disagreeable; for I might, if it did not sound conceited, contend that every one of the detached statements which constitute the Upanishads, may be deduced as a necessary result from the fundamental thoughts which I have to enunciate, though those deductions themselves are by no means to be found there.

>>139841336
Alternatively
>https://mic com/articles/120411/how-hitler-s-mein-kampf-became-a-bestseller-in-india#.jgVB9FHmT
https://archive.is/282AP

>>139841259
Xd
>>139841250
What separates it lad

>>139841140
no bro hindu is the origin of al enlitement

>>139841336
>Heinrich Himmler
kek
Just amazing. Considering that most of the vedas is complete fucking nonsense and unintelligible gibberish due to the language being half dead and all, I find this fascinating.

>>139841619
>language being half dead
Wew its quite surprising I can read sanskrit and I would disagree

>>139841397
>What separates it lad

What links it?

I swear to Vishnu, Pajeets have to be the biggest WeWuzzers in the history of fucking mankind.

I see where this is going. Let me guess, in a few years Pajeets will claim to be the direct and closest descendants of original Indo European culture and heritage and appropriately claim everything for India.

>>139841686
You cannot read rigvedas sanskrit Pajeet. You can pretend to, but the words are meaningless. The restored version of sanskrit essentially just focussed on getting the sounds right.

A little background about myself. My father was a historian and a sanskrit researcher. I repeat, you cannot bullshit me about this.

>>139841951
We still follow the Vedas for all our religious proceedings, even the altars are made in accordance to the veda which specify even the dimensions, you have a point of view which no amount of evidence will change, you need to go back to plebbit

>>139842177
>>139842177
>in accordance with the unverified, uncredited, undated COMMENTARY associated with the veda manuscripts.

There you go. Fixed that for you

let me redpill you something else. Muslims have a similar thing called Hadith science and is the entire basis of sectarian slaughtering. This is not original at all.

>>139842140
>the words are meaningless
Yes its all a coincidence that the millions of languages that derive from sanskrit have similar words and nigga its called appeal to authority fallacy how many linguistic agree to your 'father'

>>139842397
Pro tip, their are 4 of them and rig veda isn't where we derive our rituals from, which as a former hindu I am sure you'll know

>>139842495
>similar words

Millions of languages do not derive from sanskrit you fucking wewuzzing retard. Sanskrit IS one of the languages that was derived from an older Indo European parent language.

And that does not mean you understand a nonsensical manuscript. The researchers are using the commentary, not the actual vedas.

>>139828788
Make a pastebin ya retard.

Brahmin = jews.
Hindu came from indus (india came from that too).
Hindu means "A person who live in indus valley"
indian subcontinent consisted of numerous religions, brahmin/jews did what islam did, they combined all these religion and called themselves the one true religion of india (tohara + bible = quran )
If anything than Buddhism is one true religion of india.
>>139842770
>>139841506
>>139841370
>>139841140
>>139840462
>>139840095

>>139842770
Even the Dravidan languages in todays day have sanskrit words that could be dated back to the Vedas, something that still can be verified by oral tradition in a country as big as Europe, you do realize we have a whole people dedicated to memorizing our texts for thousands of years right or was their a big conspiracy where we decided a history and the whole country worked towards it

>>139842744
idgaf bro. I only comment when the wewuzzers come out.

>>139843035
Pastabin for what, hardly any Indian post on this board
>>139843074
>Sanatan dharm is brahmins
Tips Fedora
>>139843118
>I can't into ids

>>139831496
There are 330 million gods .
Kek

>>139843076
>a big conspiracy where we decided a history and the whole country worked towards it

That's the problem. There is no decision or consensus. Instead I see Indians make a range of contradicting, increasingly vague and increasingly over reaching claims about their influence and reach.

>>139843283
brahmin is a race, they are jews who came to south asia.

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>Half the population in India, around 564 million people, do not yet use a toilet. Instead, they go out in the open.
>Every day, around 100,000 tons of poop end up in the open — an amount that would fill London’s Wembley stadium.
so this is the poower of dinduism

>>139843418
>That's the problem. There is no decision or consensus. Instead I see Indians make a range of contradicting, increasingly vague and increasingly over reaching claims about their influence and reach.

Cow-piss can cure cancer

>>139832232
T.abdool

>>139843283
Tu beech beech mein mar jata hai behen ke laude . Pastabin bana taki mein bhi threads banau.

>>139843520
*le 52% american face

>>139843418
Either you tipping your Fedor or gtfo this thread, god damn nigger read before spouting nonsense

>>139843469
>brahmin is a race
>>139843532
>what is soma


Plebbit is so easy to spot I can understand you all are niggers but I was under the impression India niggers could read

>>139843520
>Every day, around 100,000 tons of poop end up in the open — an amount that would fill London’s Wembley stadium.
Nearly the same amount to poop is sharted by Americans in a Wallmart , and that too in their pants. XD

>>139843601
https://pastebin.com/nVVFW6Na

>>139843619
false equivalency, USA being composed of several different races is nothing compared to being an entire country of literal shitskins

>>139843898
Dravidian > > american whites >>> niggers.

and even if we assume you whites are better, it doesn't matter since you all gonna become niggers in 15-20 years

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>>139828788
Am I allowed to say I find your goddesses very sexy?

>>139844122
Yes, look up khajuraho

>>139828788
Bruh just pray your way into salvation it totes works ^_^

>>139844122
that's true religion of india.
They call it hinduism but it's not hinduism, those religion were destroyed and converted into hinduism by Jews(brahmins)

>>139844064
http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Tamilians-dark-dirty-US-diplomat/articleshow/9595931.cms

Kek .
>WE WUZ DRAVIDIANS AND SHEEEIT BUT NOW WE LOOK WORSE THAN NIGGERS
Thats the average IQ of south Indians

>>139844304
We brahmins are essential part of Hindu society.
If you look every king in past you'll know that a Brahmin was behind him.

Look up Chandragupt Maurya and Chanakya.

>>139844864
Average dravidian is more educated, rich, intelligent, successful than you north indian and brahmins/rss cucks .

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/south-india-spends-most-on-higher-education/articleshow/59116448.cms

>WE WUZ ARYAN AND SHEEEIT BUT NOW WE CALLED BRAHMIN AND DRINK COW-PISS.
Dravidians have higher IQ than you RSS cucks.

>>139845275
You are dirty nigger Vellappa .
Worse than kikes.
All your values are inflated about your richness and well being are inflated.
An average south kills innocent dogs , so much for high HDI and education.

>>139845017
>Hindu society >>139843074

You brahmins are nothing but dumb low IQ butthurt faggots,
You have no achievements or any good qualities to feel proud of, that's why you have constant need to prove that you were not some faggot cucks who sucked muslim dicks .

Go live in pakistan you filthy jew, your rest of the family live there (half of the pakistan is muslim converts brahmins)

>>139845622
>All your values are inflated about your richness and well being are inflated.

Typical brahmin cuck, every thing is a lie, "we are superpower" , "we invented spaceship and sheeeit" , "Harvard teach our vedas" .

>>139845646
But I am not a Muslim.

>what are your achievement?
You are larping because of us , you converted Christian .

http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/oct/12/slide-show-1-brahmins-dominate-all-modern-professions.htm

You are just one step away for ticking me off and registering an FIR.

>>139845646
Pakistan wasn't a hindu nation before Islam arrived they worshipped fire you retard and followed a different religion

Quick Question:
How should the """"Guru's"""" be dealt with? I understand there are many that are respected, while there are others that act as cult leaders.

>>139845950
Ban hinduism.

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>>139828788
tfw left handed

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>>139845950

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>>139846030

>>139846068
How's Estonia treating you lad?

>>139828788
Sounds nice op but let's look at outcome performance.

>Hindus starve to death next to plump cows
>Hindus eat the shit and piss from cows
>Created the world's first and only cow shit toothpaste
>Led to cuck governments that accepted in millions of Muslims and now they fight each other in the street
>Hindu monks pretend to be above it all but they kill people too sometimes

They aren't a higher state of experience or morality and their outcome is a literal shit eating malnourished society surrounded by food that they refuse to eat.

Also, many of their beliefs have evidence against it and their text contradicts itself. It's just more clingy bullshit for people afraid to die.

>>139846398
>American education

>>139845920
>Pakistan wasn't a hindu nation before Islam arrived they worshipped fire

Explain? Gandhara, Punjab or Sindh?

>>139845902
You are a muslim you filthy fuck, most of your ancestors sucked muslim dick and converted into islam.

>You are larping because of us , you converted Christian .
I am non-religious, dumb people believe in religion.

>http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/oct/12/slide-show-1-brahmins-dominate-all-modern-professions.htm

1.) they were not brahmin.
2.) They all are dravidian.
3.) india is a shit country because all the government seats are held by brahmins.

>You are just one step away for ticking me off and registering an FIR.
abe lund choosle mera hijade, teri maa ne mullo se balatkar karvaya tha jab jake tu peda hua hai.
(English translation: suck my cock you boipussy, your mother arranger her own rape by muslim nigger so that she can birth you)

Fucking abomination.

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Hinduism is a glimpse of what wewuz philosophy will evolve into when the age of the we\bite man is over

>>139846513
Not an argument. Enjoy your shit toothpaste.

>>139845920
retard.

>>139846398
100% true.

>>139828788
Aryan truth is always so refreshing to see. They made the Hindus shitskins by race mixing just like Egypt and Persia before them. The joo has very old tricks.

>>139846547
What about them?
>>139846804
Ok

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>>139846615

>>139846615
Bit of an oversimplification, but this is partly true.

India has loads of history within its borders, but unfortunately the Brahmin cucks are entirely obsessed with Afghan-Pak region.

Dravidian history gets no credit at all from these cucks.

>>139846581
Did they teach you about the brahmin elites in DU

>>139847105
I was wondering how pre-Islamic Pak and Afghan religion differed from Hinduism? You mentioned fire worshipping.

>>139846615
All these butthurt are brahmins (jews) not indians.

this : >>139843074

>>139846615
>migration before the iron age
>>139847116
Blame cbse I see Dravidan as equal in terms if achievement

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>>139847110
this.

>>139847318
>Blame cbse I see Dravidan as equal in terms if achievement
Equal, bitch we are far above you.

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>>139828788
Is race mixing banned in Hinduism? If yes I would like to convert. I'm so tired of Christian preaching their faggy morals here.

>>139847734

LOL

Cunt. We dravidians have our own distinct heritage, history, language, martial arts and religion.

Brahmin cucks have to leech an identity of Pakistanis and Afghans because without them you literally have nothing to feel proud of.
Hindi? Taj Mahal? What a fascinating identity gifted by Mughals. How many girls did you offer as sex slaves ?

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Do any of you guys seriously expect to exist samsara anytime soon? Or at least put some actual work towards it.

t. buddhist

>>139848185
retard, i am from south.

you said :
>I see Dravidan as equal in terms if achievement
Brahmin aren't our equals.

>>139828788
Bump for interest.

Were not the vedic people whites btw? As far as I know whites invaded India 5-6000 years ago. Since then they have been assimilated into the indian population (changed the phenotype as well of these people).

The norther you go the whiter people are.

>>139848185
After 1400 years of Muslim onslaught we still have more contributions to the country than the Dravidans, it's not that Dravidans are inherently inferior or anything it's just that history tends be a bit more complex
>>139847247
Afghanistan was primarily Buddhist and Pakistan followed some religion I can't find the name of cause I am on Mobile they were mostly animalist and pseudo zoroastrian iirc

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>>139828788
Satya Yuga! hare Krishna! LOVE YOU ALL!
YOU TOO KALI I LOVE YOU TOO!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svSB-L9U45U

>>139847971
This is a good depiction.

As far as I know there was no inter-caste marriage.

>>139848505
white jews came to india.
If you wanna suck their cocks go on, but these indian jews(brahmin) are complete anti-white and westernization , they also believe that drinking cow piss can cure cancer.

>>139848281
I do put work into it every day anon, it's just that kali yug deters me :(
>>139848505
They migrated before the iron age and no proof of them being Hwhite exists

>>139847971
Inter caste marriages are looked down upon but you get the caste of your father so that's a thing too

>>139848705
(You)

>>139848705
(You)

>>139848705
5000 years ago
"white jews"

Are you literally retarded?

>>139848721
Genes and the language are a pretty good example. Sanskrit is part of the "indo-european" family which, in my opinion, should just be European language family. Other languages took up the writing from sanskrit, in the process most likely taking terms etc. as well.

>>139849012
Well I believe in a shared heritage calling it European is a bit of a stretch in the current knowledge scenario

>>139829564
>has no single prophet
>has no single point of authority
>has a flying gazebo
Fuck. This might be the one, guys.

>>139849308
>a flying gazebo described in texts before aeroplane existed

>>139849012
India is like Haiti, due to intermarriage and lax societal power, liberalism, the whites did not uphold power as they should have. Due to the better life quality and higher rate of births the native indians bred faster and simply outbred the whites.

This happened in other countries as well. For the matter I believe the original indian population was not too great in number as the phenotype itself must have changed.

I think India will not be able to overcome the natural low intelligence of the populace. While those in the north have higher intelligence and higher white admixture, those in the south of the country are still unable to use toilets, worship them, eat on the street-floor, do not wash hands properly etc. You cannot become a superpower with such a huge burden.

>>139849251
Yes as in heritage it is Indo-European, but as you can still see genetic remnants of whites in India, Pakistan, Iran, most of Middle-East, we cannot call a language group indo-european based on heritage. The French that blacks speak in Africa is still French, for example. It would be the same if Mexicans said, that Spanish is part of a South-American language group.

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>>139828788
https://youtu.be/xv87qb1is9M

>>139849726
>God save the Queen from stupid brits brainwashed by nazi propaganda

>>139849726
Ah yes that's a anglo history at its finest, the Hwhite arrived before the Iron age so every achievement from the iron age to 1700 ad is that of whites bravo, and we can can a language indo European, they have a language tree that share the same root, PIE which ain't spoken anywhere

>>139849726
Also (since I am Eastern European) studies have shown that gypsies are from India genetically (as in Eastern EU gypsies, the ones in the UK are English and Irish kek).

Those gypsies have an unusually low IQ of 80-90, and white governments tried to help them up for centuries, nothing succeeded.

>>139850124
I am not an anglo.

>>139846615
>>139849474
Remember what I said about wewuzing? There are Hindus that uniroincally believe that ancient Indians either predicted or created the aeroplane.

>>139849875
God damn gold, saved

>>139828788
Do hindu's have a concept of holy war? Particularly against Saracens?

>>139850124
Also I did not say every achievement. There were great Indians I look up to, obviously those are also non-whites.

I am saying the sanskrit were whites and the language belonged to a group as such.

>>139850265
>>139839321
Lad this was discovered in in Göbekli, it is around 12,000 years old and fits the description of one of our gods to the T, now tell me they are all stories

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>>139848721
Do you meditate, practice the Dhamma?

Keep going on, anon, I believe in you.

>>139850357
How exactly did you determine that a group of people that migrated into a country created everything even though their counter parts were in caves, while the land they migrated had advanced civilization what exactly made them the progenitor of sanskrit?

>>139850584
I try and meditate every day, it has more to do with my dharma, I try and feed a cow every day and work towards my country

>>139850503
What is now Turkey for thousands of years belonged to an Indo-European culture, believable and factual.

Indo-European religious systems had multiple overlaps and often liked to deify animals, believable and factual.

Proto-Anatolians believing in a god similar to Hanuman, believable.

Existence of similar beliefs systems is confirmation of said beliefs, not factual or particularly believable.

>>139850692
>5K years ago
Living in caves.

What is up with that? The genetics clearly show, even if they were not the exact same people the belonged to the same race, also further by the evidence of language similarities.

Also civilizations date way back from the official dates. You may know there are ruins in the water on the coastline as well. Those were most likely built when the water level was not so high, 10-12000 years ago. Vedic civilization goes back to like 1700 BC. and we cannot really see further than 5-6000 BC in the area, by official investigations.

Further than this it will be WE WUZ-ing but I would not be surprised if they found a skull which has fully european gene-set, like the pharaoh of Egypt.

>>139851281
Yes the sapt rishi described in various cultures are a just a coincidence (tm), it's getting a little too convenient lad blaming it all on coincidence and not releasing civilisation existed before 10k years

>>139851471
They have already found bodies which contradict your claim, and by agreed history the Aryans were supposed to be nomads who migrated to an are with civilization what exactly point towards them being the progenitor of sanskrit, should we call Latin an Indian language as it shares genetic heritage to us too?
And this too
>>139832330

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>>139851471
>>139851857
https://youtu.be/qych3WYNViA

>>139846615
Zero was created in Bihar you dipshit.

>>139849012
brahmin = jew cucks
thread/

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>>139831011
>>139832232

>>139851857
Thanks for the info. Do you have any info on the findings or sources?

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>>139848455

>>139855714
interfaithxxx.com

Brahmin are nothing but cucks and slaves of muslims.

>>139853411
Pingala mathematician who is claimed by Indians to be its discoverer was born in Shalatula, in modern Pakistan. Either way it's slightly irrelevant because Mesopotamians actually already had the conecept beforehand.

>>139856467
>aryabhat was born in Pakistan
I am actually interested in the Mesopotamia source post that

>>139856635
>>139856467
>Pakistan
Only brainwashed cucked pakistanis would say that

>>139857759
Always give them benefit of the doubt and ask for source

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>>139856635
>Mesopotamia
https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2015/06/12/hindu-kings-of-iraq-turkey-syria-lebanon-egypt-italy-mitanni-empire/

>>139856635
>Mesopotamia
Hindu Migration

Vedas mention Pancha Jana (five tribes) in many places. Of the five tribes, Druhyus were the people who migrated to West Asia. Now we get lot of proof for this from the 8th Mandala of Rig Veda. The names correlate with the names in Iraq and Iran. It should have happened before 2000 BCE.
In my post “Did Indra Attack Ur in Sumeria?”, I have given enough proof for the Vedic contact with Mesopotamia (Iraq).

Old Reference:

Following is the piece posted by me under Indus Valley to Egypt: Lapiz lazuli Export:
“The contact between Egypt and the Hindu kings of Turkey and Syria is well documented. Thanks to the clay tablets of Amarna letters we know that Dasaratha’s daughter Taduhepa ( Datta shivaa) was married to Amenophis III of Egypt. Dasaratha was ruling Syria and Turkey around 1380 BCE. He was assassinated in 1340 BCE. Mitanni kings followed Vedic religion is confirmed by Bogazkoy inscription where all the four major Vedic gods are mentioned in a peace treaty. Pratardhana – name in Vishnu sahasranama – was ruling Aleppo now in Syria. Turkey and Syria were ruled by the Vedic kings from 1480 BCE according to the clay tablets.

Dasaratha sent Amenophis five chariots, five horses, trinkets of gold, a pair of gold rings and goodly stones, says one of the Amarna letters. We have more Sanskrit names and horse manual with Sanskrit numbers around 1400 BCE in Turkey. Marrying one’s daughter with a king of a neighbouring country is a typical Hindu custom followed by kings from Kanyakumari to Kashmir and beyond. Afghan Gandhari and Iranian Kaikeyi were married to Drudharashtra and Dasaratha, because all those countries were ruled by the Hindus in those days.

>>139856635
>Mesopotamia
(Mitannian Dasaratha is different from Ramayana Dasaratha. Like Tamils, Tamilize Sanskrit words, Mitannians also wrote Dasaratha as Tushratta, Pratardhana as Parartana. Even today Sri Lankan Tamils write Damayanthy as Tamayanthy. Mauritius Tamils are still worse and they write Subramanya as Soupramoniamme due to French influence. Greek writer, Chinese visiors and British rulers distorted all place names and people’s names beyond recognition. Beautiful Aralvaymozi became Aramboli, Tarangampadi changed to Tranqbar, Tutukkudi changed to Tuticorin < Alexander became Alikasunda etc.)

The horse manual written by Kikkuli ( Aswa Sena) runs to 1080 lines on clay tablets. Though it was written in Hittite language the numerals Aika,Tera,Pancha, Satta, Nava vartaana (1,3,5,7,9 intervals) and words for colours are in Sanskrit.

>>139858050
>>139858271
>>139858303
>WordPress
And this article mentions the contact between Hindus and other people not how zero was Mesopotamian

>>139840339

>The oldest known rigveda manuscript is from 1000 AD. This is a fact.

The oldest Rigveda manuscript is over a billion years old. The Puranas describe human lineages extending over a BILLION years into the past. Humans are BILLIONS of years old and are NOT NATIVE to Earth. Just trust me, I have a good feeling about this.

>>139857759
>>139857863

He said Modern Pakistan to be fair. Either way it was Pashtun history you cuck

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>>139859502

Humans are BILLIONS of years old and are NOT NATIVE to Earth. Here is merely SOME evidence (though DEFINITELY not ALL of the evidence) suggesting not only a human presence on Earth BILLIONS of years ago, but also suggesting complex human civilisations on Earth BILLIONS of years ago:

* A human skull fragment from Hungary dated between 250,000 and 450,000 years ago
* A human footprint with accompanying paleoliths (stones deliberately chipped into a recognisable tool type), bone tools, hearths and shelters, discovered in France and dated 300,000 to 400,000 years
* Paleoliths in Spain, a partial human skeleton and paleoliths in France; two English skeletons, one with associated paleoliths, ALL at least 300,000 years old
* Skull fragments and paleoliths in Kenya and advanced paleoliths, of modern human manufacture, in the Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania, dated between 400,000 and 700,000 years
* Neoliths (the most advanced stone tools and utensils) in China of a type that indicate full human capacity, dated to 600,000 years
* Hearths, charcoal, human femurs and broken animal bones, all denoting modern humanity, in Java, dated to 830,000 years
* An anatomically modern human skull discovered in Argentina and dated between 1 million and 1.5 million years years (eoliths -chipped pebbles, thought to be the earliest known tools- at Monte Hermoso, also in Argentina, are believed to be between 1 and 2.5 million years old).
* A human tooth from Java yielding a date between 1 and 1.9 million years years
* Incised bones, dated between 1.2 and 2.5 million years, have been found in Italy
* Discoveries of paleoliths, cut and charred bones at Xihoudu in China and eoliths from Diring Yurlakh in Siberia dated to 1.8 million years
* Eoliths in India, paleoliths in England, Belgium, Italy and Argentina, flint blades in Italy, hearths in Argentina, a carved shell, pierced teeth and even two human jaws all bearing a minimum date of 2 million years (end of part 1)

>>139859677

(start of part 2) Curiously enough, several of the very earliest artifact discoveries display a truly extraordinary level of sophistication. In Idaho, for example, a 2-million-year-old clay figurine was unearthed in 1912. But even this discovery does not mark an outer limit. Bones, vertebrae and even complete skeletons have been found in Italy, Argentina and Kenya. Their minimum datings range from 3 million to 4 million years. A human skull, a partial human skeleton and a collection of neoliths discovered in California have been dated in excess of 5 million years. A human skeleton discovered at Midi in France, paleoliths found in Portugal, Burma and Argentina, a carved bone and flint flakes from Turkey all have a minimum age of 5 million years.
How far back can human history be pushed with discoveries like these? The answer seems to be a great deal further than orthodox science currently allows. As if the foregoing discoveries were not enough, we need to take account of:
* Paleoliths from France dated between 7 and 9 million years
* An eolith from India with a minimum dating of 9 million years
* Incised bones from France, Argentina and Kenya no less than 12 million years old
* More paleolith discoveries from France, dated at least 20 million years ago
* Neoliths from California in excess of 23 million years
* Three different kinds of paleoliths from Belgium with a minimum dating of 26 million years
* An anatomically modern human skeleton, neoliths and carved stones found at the Table Mountain, California and dated at least 33 million years ago
But even 33 million years is not the upper limit. A human skeleton found in Switzerland is estimated to be between 38 and 45 million years old. France has yielded up eoliths, paleoliths, cut wood and a chalk ball, the minimum ages of which range from 45 to 50 million years.
There's still more.

>>139859732


(start of part 3) In 1960, H. L. Armstrong announced in Nature magazine the discovery of fossil human footprints near the Paluxy River, in Texas. Dinosaur footprints were found in the same strata. In 1983, the Moscow News reported the discovery of a fossilised human footprint next to the fossil footprint of a three-toed dinosaur in the Turkamen Republic. Dinosaurs have been extinct for approximately 65 million years.
In 1983, Professor W. G. Burroughs of Kentucky reported the discovery of three pairs of fossil tracks dated to 300 million years ago. They showed left and right footprints. Each print had five toes and a distinct arch. The toes were spread apart like those of a human used to walking barefoot. The foot curved back like a human foot to what appeared to be a human heel. There was a pair of prints in the series that showed a left and right foot. The distance between them is just what you'd expect in modern human footprints.
In December 1862, The Geologist carried news of a human skeleton found 27.5 m (90 ft) below the surface in a coal seam in Illinois. The seam was dated between 286 and 320 million years. It's true that a few eoliths, skull fragments and fossil footprints, however old, provide no real backing for the idea of advanced prehistoric human civilisations.
But some other discoveries do.
In 1968, an American fossil collector named William J. Meister found a fossilised human shoe print near Antelope Spring, Utah. There were trilobite fossils in the same stone, which means it was at least 245 million years old. Close examination showed that the sole of this shoe differed little, if at all, from those of shoes manufactured today.
In 1897, a carved stone showing multiple faces of an old man was found at a depth of 40 m (130 ft) in a coal mine in Iowa. The coal there was of similar age.

>>139859761

(start of part 4) A piece of coal yielded up an encased iron cup in 1912. Frank J. Kenwood, who made the discovery, was so intrigued he traced the origin of the coal and discovered it came from the Wilburton Mine in Oklahoma. The coal there is about 312 million years old.
In 1844, Scottish physicist Sir David Brewster reported the discovery of a metal nail embedded in a sandstone block from a quarry in the north of England. The head was completely encased, ruling out the possibility that it had been driven in at some recent date. The block from which it came is approximately 360 million years old.
On 22 June 1844, The Times reported that a length of gold thread had been found by workmen embedded in stone close to the River Tweed. This stone too was around 360 million years old.
Astonishing though these dates may appear to anyone familiar with the orthodox theory of human origins, they pale in comparison with the dates of two further discoveries.
According to Scientific American, dated 5 June 1852, blasting activities at Meeting House Hill, in Dorchester, Massachusetts, unearthed a metallic, bell-shaped vessel extensively decorated with silver inlays of flowers and vines. The workmanship was described as 'exquisite'. The vessel was blown out of a bed of Roxbury conglomerate dated somewhat earlier than 600 million years.
In 1993, Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson reported the discovery 'over the past several decades' of hundreds of metallic spheres in a pyrophyllite mine in South Africa. The spheres are grooved and give the appearance of having been manufactured. If so, the strata in which they were found suggest they were manufactured 2.8 BILLION years ago.

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>>139859789

(start of part 5) What are we to make of these perplexing discoveries? They cannot simply be dismissed. If even ONE of these discoveries is TRUE (and I believe that MANY if not ALL of these discoveries are TRUE), then it changes EVERYTHING that modern mainstream anthropologists THOUGHT they knew about the human species. (end)

Hinduism is satanic and mostly a false religion of idol worship.
"Chakras, meridians, astrology, yoga postures for health" are false.

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>>139828788

Teach me how to awaken my siddhis, Rajendra. In the ancient Sanskrit language of India, the word 'siddhi' means 'perfection'. In its most common usage, the word 'siddhi' refers to an ability that is a natural and inherent faculty of our true identities as eternally alive souls. The soul is smaller than an atom and larger than the universe. The soul is infinitely small and infinitely large. The soul is ALL-PERFECT AND EVER-PERFECT. The soul is the storehouse of ALL ENERGY, ALL POWER AND ALL STRENGTH. The soul is PURE CONSCIOUSNESS. The soul possesses ALL siddhis and there are an INFINITE number of siddhis. Among all of these siddhis, there are considered to be eight major siddhis. Siddhis can be awakened through a variety of methods. In Patanjali's Yoga Sutras IV.1, it is stated:

"Siddhis may be attained through birth, the use of herbs, incantations, self-discipline or samadhi."

Here is a list of the eight major siddhis (in no particular order):

Laghima siddhi: Making your body and/or anything else as light as you want.

Garima siddhi: Making your body and/or anything else as heavy as you want.

Mahima siddhi: Making your body and/or anything else as large as you want.

Anima siddhi: Making your body and/or anything else as small as you want.

Prapti siddhi: Having unrestricted access to any and/or all places.

Prakamya siddhi: Fulfillment of whatever you desire.

Isitva siddhi: Control over any and/or all of the laws of nature.

Vasitva siddhi: Being able to control any and/or all beings.

"A man is a god in ruins. When men are innocent, life shall be longer, and shall pass into the immortal, as gently as we awake from dreams." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

>>139859580
No, aryabhat was still Indian and let's not pretend Afghanistan wasn't a part of India

>>139860009
Tfw too woke

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>>139860320

I am a 29-year-old man and my only goals in life are to become the world's first real super-hero and then to achieve moksha. I do NOT want to reincarnate after this life of mine. My super-hero name will be 'Dragon Man' (because I'm a Dragon, according to the Chinese zodiac). I am training hard right now to awaken my siddhis.

>>139860666
Jej, good luck be a merciful God or else

>>139828788
Daily reminder that Hinduism is a one way ticket to HELL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQMi3f3bfBw

>>139860970
Is one of my favorite pastors, quite well researched

>>139860825

Don't worry, I'll use my siddhis only for righteous purposes.

>>139849726
Dude in the last pisa test india took, Tamil nadu (south and dark) scored 30 points or so higher than himachal Pradesh (north and light).
Not to mention that Kerala is relatively dark and has the highest HDI

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>>139860970
>kys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbDcSlT-u2U
Foreign Christian Missionary involved in Child abuse in INDIA

https://www.youtube.com/user/noconversion/videos

>>139860970
Difference between Hinduism and Christianity
https://youtu.be/wg44l8kXJnE

>>139860244
WE WUZ PATHANS N SHIEET

>>139864053
Jej, implying we weren't

>>139862477

I completely agree with you. South India actually has a higher literacy rate and less street-shitting than North India. I think this is because the Dravidians were less cucked by Islam than the Indo-Aryans.

>>139860244
>>139864225

Top tier wewuzzing. Brahmin cucks lack an identity therfore need to wewaz half of fucking asia.

>>139864225
In this thread alone I've heard of Indians claiming to be Mesopotamians, Anatolians, Afghans, Jews (as an insult rather than a mark of pride but still) as well as inventors of space ships.

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>>139865867
To be fair, its a north Indian thing

Just look at the language map of the subcontinent. Nearly every region has a solid identity (Pashto, Punjabi, Telugu, Gujarati, Tamil). Its the "hindi speaking" areas that wewuz the living fuck out of everything. Its the most cucked identity you can imagine, shaped and defined by Mughals and British.

>>139866339
Couldn't agree more Dravidian Nationalism is a real nationalist ideology whilst this weird "pan-Hindu" Hindutva shit is Hebrew Israelite tier

>>139866339
>it's a North India thing
>while Tamil people have faked to digs for we wuzing
Really makes me think
>>139865867
Ok, and in this thread I saw you get BTFOD for you Mesopotamian remark and Quoting a WordPress article, I can already see the plebbit dear

>>139866339
>>139866719
Topkek, thambi pride world wide, a bunch of rakshas larping as we wuz India I was just being modest