WHy doesn't /pol/ believe in Climate Change?

Because it's the edgy counter culture position

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>>139738818
Because it's a hoax and a political scam that's been proven false over and over. Why are you stupid enough to believe it, or further believe anything this fat roach says, ever?

Everyone know the climate changes. Oddly enough it even changed before modern civilization...

>>139738818
why do you beleive chunk donner and the dumb turds?

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>>139738818
Is Chunk implying that the billions of dollars of damage to the oil industry won't have a rippling negative effect on the economy, which in turn would affect normal people as well?

>>139738818
Pretty sure most people know the climate changes. That is was some conspiracy by fossil fuel companies to make money is retarded.

>>139738818
>hurricane wreaks havoc
>OH MY GOD, CLIMATE CHANGE
>record cold temperatures and snowfall
>psss, stupid drumphkins, weather is not climate

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the odds of Chunky yogurt being right about Climate Freakout are low. you think it's the one thing they're actually right about?

>>139738818
>Actually believes a natural disaster was caused by climate change

The Young Turks really are morons are they...

>>139738818
(((Chink Wigger))) Oi vey!

>>139739116
He's implying that he doesn't realize those are the repercussions of the damage, but hey, fuck big oil xD

>>139738818
We do believe in climate change. It changes all the fucking time. Sometimes it's hotter, sometimes it's colder. Sometimes it's wetter, sometimes it's dryer.

Saying "the climate changes" is like saying water is wet.

Only people saying water is wet don't want to seat Al Gore on a Carbon Tax Trading Board in Chicago with $14,000,000,000,000 running through his sticky fingers.

>>139738818
Hurricanes have been happening all through out history. Prove me wrong.

This is the only subject that liberals are right about.

>>139738818
Because most of them aren't actually redpilled, they're just dumbfuck conservatives that eat up whatever the rightwing media tells them.

>>139739193
Every fucking time.

>care about climate change
>the most effected areas are full of niggers and liberals

climate change seems like the best thing ever to happen to me, senpai

>>139738818
You agree there have been ice ages, yes? Before men built engines?

You agree that those ice ages have gone away, because it became warm enough to melt the ice, yes? Before man built engines?

Before man existed?

You believe ice ages have come and gone without man being around, yes?

THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS DIFFERENT NOW.

>>139738818
>not sad about billions of damage to oil industry
enjoy shit economy

we don't believe in the left wing's 'solution' to climate change.

>>139738818
Climate has been changing since Earth acquired atmosphere, what about it?

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>>139739448
proof? Don't post the hockey stick tyvm.
...
who am I kidding, there is no proof and we all know that.

>>139738818
do the opposite of whatever chunk yogurt says and youll be well along

>>139739532
You know, the rate of the change for one.

Even if you don't believe in climate change that's a retarded argument.

>>139738818

Why would any American get their news from a Turk?

>>139738818

i believe that the climate can be changed by humans because im not retarded, it just the edgy brainwashed trumpfags that keep the meme up

>billions of damage

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>>139738818

>Climate Change
>Man made Climate Change

2 Different things
Climates have changed for millions of years

Changing to a new more expensive energy saving lightbulb wont change that

>>139739733
Yeah let's trust ancient Greeks on the intricacies of the Earth's climate.

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>>139738818
I believe in the concept but I also believe that the actual effects being told to the public are being overly dramatized purposefully to push carbon taxes and global regulatory bodies.

>>139738818
Firstly, climate change is undeniable, it is a basic mater of fact and can not be denied, the question is about man-made climate change, on which the science is not settled.
Secondly, single instances of weather (such as hurricanes) do not indicate climate in any way. Climate is weather over a long period of time, pointing to a single instant of weather as "proof" for climate change is flat out retarded.

>>139739822
No, let's trust fucking SJWs. That will turn out well.

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i suppose you don't believe that the earth orbits the sun, either

>>139738818
No climate scientists deny climate change. But if you look with an open mind, you can find that plenty of legitimate scientists who don't subscribe to the catastrophic climate run amok variety that gets pushed on the public through the (((media))).

>>139740018
>everyone I don't like is a SJW!!

>>139740018
I'd rather trust the people at NASA and thr like instead of Aristotle. No one said anything about SJWs, they just parrot what the scientists say without understanding it.

>>139738818
>billions of damage to oil industry.

This retard knows they don't drill in Houston right?

>>139738818
I don't believe meme persons of the future are more important than people who are actually alive right fucking now.

>>139739822
Lets instead trust some fat fucking turk with an IQ of 40.

>>139738818
The predictions are all wrong. For too long.

Why is it we can pin point a landing zone on Mars, but we can't accurately predict "settled" science and fail miserably.

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>>139740048
>rename_before_posting.jpg

>>139740180
When did I say that?

>>139740172
It hit a ton of refineries and oil infrastructure. The region is a hub for processing oil.

>>139740052
>No climate scientists deny climate change.
Bullshit. I know you guys are like 12 years old and all, but it used to be called (((global warming))) and they had to change the rhetoric because it's been wrong since day one.

I won't do your homework for you, but the (((95% of climate scientists consensus))) figure is complete and utter bullshit, and that is public record/fact.

Uh, maybe it is because we aren't retards who can be duped by a scam? And could it be that this pisses you of because you were counting on our being dumber than you and you just can't face what that implies? Just guessing here.

>>139740298
They do mostly agree that it's changing. Some don't agree on whether or not humans have had a significant impact on it though.

>>139738818
Only dumbfags don't "believe in" Climate Change. Also, only the intellectually bankrupt left believes that Climate Change is the end of days.

>>139740381
Scientist A: The climate has always been changing, and is remarkably stable for as long as we can tell.

fired

Scientist B: The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

given $50,000,000 research grant

>>139738818
It exists, just isn't nearly as relevant as societal issues. What causes it is yet another question...

HURR DURR CATEGORY 4 HURRICANES DIDNT EXIST BEFORE 2005

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like it or not this is the future.
>muh climate always changes

And why? CO2 has been the primary control knob of the earths temperature in the last 500 million years.

>>139740489
Strawman.

Bad science is bad science

I've never seen a scientist manipulate their data more than a climate scientist and somehow it is acceptable

>>139740605
"The primary control knob of earth's temperature...". Maybe you should go back and re read that for a moment.

>>139740605

* The Sun has been the primary control knob of the earths temperature in the last 500 million years.

I mean really, CO2 rises during warming because ice melts and releases its CO2

What exactly do you think is the cause of the inter-glacial periods? Aliens with their CO2 alien emmissions?

Climate change is the most retarded of the modern religions.

We really need to start institutionalizing its adherents.

>>139740648
Real world.

>>139739116
You really think his logical faculties let him see that far ahead?

>>139740648
I dunno. The OP asked for a reason. Looks like a pretty good one to me.

>>139738818
Because they can't prove how much of the temperature changes are man made/natural.

I don't give a fuck about climate change even if it was man made. We need to focus on our oceans. They are a fucking mess. That should be our actual priority.

>>139740810
Not really.

>>139740605
>And why? CO2 has been the primary control knob of the earths temperature in the last 500 million years.

All studies show a lag of at least 800 years between the temperature rising, and then, 800 years later, the levels of CO2 rising.

So let me challenge you for a moment.

You emit CO2 when you exhale.

Stop exhaling.

>>139740702
That's just because you're stupid and can't concede you can be wrong about anything

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-24/new-climate-study-throws-wrench-global-warming-debate-our-new-technical-paper-will-l

>inb4 lefties become science deniers

>>139740763
Ask him if it is dark where he lives.

>>139740381
>They do mostly agree that it's changing
again, no. You are full of shit, or you've been spoonfed shit your entire life and you are too stupid to look into the issue yourself.

I'll try to explain with an analogy. Do you remember during the election, with the allegations of Russian interference? MSM kept using the same line to push the narrative:
>17 intelligence agencies have confirmed that Russia hacked the election
They never talked about how, they never talked about any facts backing this allegation. They just kept parroting the same line, and anyone who dissented was met with the exact same response:
>Are you going to deny these 17 intelligence agencies findings?
Did you see what agencies made up that cohort? Shit like the coast guard, Border patrol, etc...

It's the exact same thing with the (((95% of climate scientists agree))) line. It's just a lie they keep repeating over and over and over and don't allow anyone to question it, and sheep such as yourself nod in bovine agreement because you are too stupid to do your own research.

>>139738818
Because /pol/ is fundamentally fact adverse.

>>139740855
Absolutely real world.

A climatologist took a picture of 4 drowned polar bears, blamed it on global warming, and was instantly in charge of $50,000,000 in research grants to find out how the polar bears were dying due to ice melting due to global warming.

Pull your fucking head out of your ass, and follow the money. Always.

>Coming out of an ice age
>Things get warmer as a result
>OMG THE EVIL INDUSTRIAL BOOGEYMAN IS KILLING THE PLANET

reall activates my almonds

>>139740935
they get caught red handed manipulating the data.

Stories are written that every single bit of "global warming" is due to the manipulation of the data.

And you, praying at the alter of AGW, to your High Priest Al Gore, cannot read the truth.

Your religion is a lie.

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>>139738818
Hurricanes existed long before humans did.
https://youtu.be/c9ZT9CG7OWM

>>139738818
Because polar ice caps are an anomaly

>>139740961
>>139740961
It's a religion to them.

>>139739116
>chunk
>thinking

>>139738818
Of course climate changes and of course there is a level of human influence.

There is simply not anything most individuals can do about it, certainly not middle class westeners. We actually NEED those global natural disasters to purge some of us, because no one wants to give up comfort OR their lives for others.

What I don't understand with hall this climate debate is that the UN is a huge drive in the whole thing, yet they perpetually want all member countries population to increment and constantly shill for more globalism, which will only make the carbon emissions worse.

The only way to stop a climate disaster is to embrace nationalism and a humble mindset.

>>139738818
Because all the people I absolutey hate and despise and which are know for systematic lying and exaggerating push it to a degree that would enforce global government and a bigger state sector. Plus several climate scientists DO disagree on the narrative, despite what Mr. Bill Nye the science kike with a bachelor and mechanical engineering may say.

>>139738818
Because man-made climate change is so exaggerated that climate change will never be affected no matter what we do, and the ecological propositions like solar farms are actually worse for the environment.
Also things like methane being 23x stronger than CO2 in terms of retaining heat, the models being skewed, etc.
Then there's the sheer politicised nature of it. Either you agree man-made climate change is very real and very dangerous, or you're a Nazi.

>>139740489
This. Climate scientists are cryptoneets

>>139741053
Dude, your analogy is worthless. Try actually reading shit instead of going to Trump-Russis for no reason, it's not even a valid comparison. Most climate scientists believe that the climate is changing. It may not be 95%, but it's certainly a majority.

>>139738818
Because there's nothing we can feasibly do about it. Even if we got the whole world on board with being 100% "clean" we'd still be fucked because the biggest cause of pollution is humans themselves. The only real solution would be to stop giving aid to Africa and impose birthing restrictions wherever necessary.

>>139741403
They even have you thinking carbon emissions are bad.

You emit carbon.

Stop it.

>>139741178
Literally unironically fake news. I can tell you're just reading headlines from some turbokike like PJW

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>>139738818
First thing first
>1 post by this ID
But I like to debunk this shit.
Just watch the movie "Not Evil Just Wrong: The True Cost of Global Hysteria"
It explains everything.
These are the people from the movie shutting down an arrogant and aggressive cunts libtard with logic and reason as well. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89SonD5lKGU

>>139741467
My favorite admission is that "their models did not account for hot air rising."

holy shit

>>139741489
That's your argument?

The weather changes?

>>139741085
Uh huh. I'll believe that when I see it.

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>CO2 proven to warm air
>Release more CO2 in air
>Climate changes

It's really not that hard to prove. I just wish the leftfag idiots didn't push it so hard and would stop making it a political issue. The problem that should be getting discussed is how to move away from oil as the main energy source, preferably to nuclear, but we can't just get rid of energy, society is too dependent on it right now.

The issue needs to be discussed anyways if we are to advance as a civilization, we need to find better ways to harness solar energy until we can get a dyson sphere up around the sun. Near limitless energy from the nuclear reactions in the sun would advance us further than anything else.

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>>139741489
yeah you are beyond retarded and not worth the time.

>>139738818
Because the proponents of it keep tampering with their datasets and their climate model predictions have a 100% failure rate.

>>139741615
He's the one that said that most climate scientists don't believe the climate is changing in a significant way, when they do.

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>>139740924
>>139740734
>>139740763
Solar activity is steady

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236004375_CO2_as_a_primary_driver_of_Phanerozoic_climate

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/330/6002/356

There is no reason to cling to this deluded belief that solar activity is responsible for current warming. It has been debunked multiple times.

Here is videos because you retards will not read actual studies, you never do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ3PzYU1N7A&t
On the 'lag of 800 years'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoSVoxwYrKI
On solar forcing

>HUHDUH STOP BREATHING XDDDD

>>139741505
Former NOAA Scientist Confirms Colleagues Manipulated Climate Records

https://science.house.gov/news/press-releases/former-noaa-scientist-confirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records

>>139741661
I'm not the one pulling up a muh 17 intelligence agencies as proof.

>>139741085
>folllw the money

Like the Heartland Institute which is funded with millions in climate denialism?

>>139738818
Why are people like you too stupid to put "man-made" in front of it? Nobody with a brain denies the climate fluctuates. So stop leaving out the manmade part you fucking faggot. It's not man-made and the reason (((they))) want you to believe that is so they can tax the shit out of us even more...

Man made climate change is negligible at best.
Trends in global climate back this up. The only reason people cannot wrap their head around this is because it reinforces how small we as humans are and anything that damages the ego of the self absorbed elites and their vapid middle class drones is quickly cast aside.

Pollution and improper disposal of waste material is a larger concern in my opinion.

>>139738818
We never said that we didn't believe in a changing climate. We don't think that it is caused by man.

>>139741786
>He's the one that said that most climate scientists don't believe the climate is changing in a significant way, when they do.

>I'm not the one pulling up a muh 17 intelligence agencies as proof.


>I'm not the one pulling up a muh majority of climate scientists agree as proof.

Do you even think about what you are typing before you click post?

>>139741634
no you won't, faggot.

In 2004, during an aerial survey of bowhead whales, Monnett and another researcher saw four dead polar bears floating in the water after a storm, observations that were later detailed in a peer-reviewed article. They said they were reporting to the best of their knowledge the first observations of the bears floating dead and presumed drowned while apparently swimming long distances.

They said their findings suggested drowning-related deaths of polar bears may increase in the future if the regression of pack ice or periods of longer open water continues. The observations helped make the polar bear a symbol for the climate change movement.

Charles Monnett was briefly suspended in 2011 from his work with the US Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement — now known as the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management —during an inspector general's investigation into a polar bear research contract he managed. Investigators in their report released last year said the probe was prompted by a complaint from an Interior Department employee who alleged that Monnett had wrongfully released government records and he and another scientist intentionally omitted or used false data in an article on polar bears.

>>139741730

Most jockeys think horse racing is a good sport.

>>139741827
Like the faggot Al Gore and his asshole buddies trying to get a $14,000,000,000,000 (yes, fucking trillion) carbon tax exchange board set up in Chicago.

>>139741838
If you're talking about money, it's both sides. They both benefit from it for obviois reasons. Saying "follow the money" can go both ways.

>>139741894
>he doesn't know climate change is another jewish scheme

>>139738818
most people just don't believe that fossil fuels are the cause of climate change. instead of using stats and evidence to prove their point, leftists just call people idiots and think they won.

>>139741911
How are the 17 agencies related in any way to climate scientists? They're not you retard.

>>139741919
Link?

>>139741744
https://www.skepticalscience.com/new-study-confirms-noaa-karl-hausfather.html

>>139738818
HURRICANES HAVE NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE HUMANS EXISTED

PAY MORE TAXES

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>>139741731

> cherrypicking the Y scale

solar activity is literally at its cyclical peak

>>139738818
poison well argument. climate changes. not giving the UN money for something that will happen anyway. they can pay for their mud army some other way.

Most of us don't believe that humans are the cause of it. If you really want to fight climate change as the left describes it, you either have to de-industrialize the world or kill more people.

>>139741919
A number of years ago, Charles Monnett, flying over the Arctic to do some sort of whale study, saw 3-4 polar bears floating dead in the water. Without either a) retrieving the bear carcasses or b) even getting a picture of them, he wrote up a paper that discussed the siting and hypothesized the bears drowned in a storm and further that more bears would likely drown in the future if global warming melts more Arctic ice in the summer. The findings were the basis for a lot of worry about polar bears, and played a key role in Al Gore's movie. Panic over the dead bears and Monnett's wild hypotheses about them helped fuel calls for declaring the bears endangered, despite all evidence that their populations have actually been increasing over the last few years. Monnett did quite well from the work, parlaying his fame into management of a $50 million study budget, the dream of all academics.

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>>139741911
Are you saying that science is like a democracy? That the greater concensus agree therefore makes it true and correct?
Before Copernicus all the scientists agreed that the universe orbited the earth. Did that make them correct? No and science does not work that way, it's mutable and permeable. New discoveries all the time.

>>139742208
Google?

>>139742260
Bbbbut anon you don't understand! HURRICANS SPECIFICALLY IN THE GULF NEVER CAUSE FLOODING! this can only be the work of climate change! The poor little fishies would still be swimming in the gulf if not for climate change! Ive heard that birds are now actually leaving their own habitats seasonally because the weather is so erratic! Pandas aren't fucking because climate change!!!!! Give Barrack Obama and Al Gore all of your money!!

>>139742226
Oh wow! This time, for sure, they'll get it right!

>>139742488
>$50 million study budget,

REAL

FUCKING

WORLD

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>>139742511
>tripfag
>no reading comprehension
pick two and pic related you absolute faggot

I totally believe in anthropogenic climate change and the primary driver is Arican population growth. It must be stopped. Who is with me fellow liberals and scientists?

>>139742624
>they falsified data!

>wrong

>well i dont get it still so its obviously wrong!!

>>139738818
oh I'm glad he is happy about the incoming spike to gas prices

>>139738818
because its a meme and no one gives a fuck

>>139741053
>just says "do your own research"
>can't give an example of a single scientist

>>139738818
i believe in climate change, i just don't believe that humans have anything to do with it. climate has always and will always change.

>>139742757
If you go that route you have to face that Africans don't really emit much anything. China would be better.

>>139738818
Because they've been told by the (((republicans))) it's a jewish trick.

>>139738818
climate change yes.
man made climate change ...maybe.

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>>139739116
when has a leftist EVER understood the implications of ANYTHING?

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>>139742865

>>139742855
Saying climate will always change is a moot point. It obviously will. The question is whether we're affecting that change in a significant way or not.

>>139738818
Most people do believe its real, but we're skeptical that it's %100 human fault and even more skeptical of the dubious scams proposed by UN Bureaucrats to "fix" the problem.

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>>139742701
Wrong post, I quoted your post by accident while reading your response to the other post.
I also don't go to Reddit, not from Reddit. My secure trip has been around for the past twelve years, get over it.

>>139738818
I believe in climate change, but leftists get assblasted if I say I don't

>>139738818
because believing that ~80 iq government employees who can't file forms without spelling errors, will stop the warming of the planet if I just give them my money, is idiotic.

>>139743045
about the same as all the people that piss while swimming in the ocean and lakes.

>has new idea for $50million 'scientific' study grant

>>139743079
You are asking people who's only source of power it's to use population fears, to not use something that scares everyone.

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why doesn't Cenk Uygur believe in the Armenian genocide?

>>139738818
because it's pushed by the same douchebags who like to cite 'polls' in elections and run the Fake News networks.

>>139742919
This.
We had an ice age in the Middle Ages for fuck sake.
Even Mars is currently undergoing climate change.
Climate change is real, but hardly man-made.
I think the reason most "deniers" are so opposed to the idea of man-made climate change is because all the solutions coming from the left elites are literally communist.

>>139738920
This

I think climate change exists. I take issue with the liberal solution to everything and it makes the problem in an of itself suspicious as a result.

Bullies?
>MORE TAXES MORE REGULATION BIGGER GOVERNMENT
Bad test scores?
>MORE TAXES MORE REGULATION BIGGER GOVERNMENT
Shitty schools?
>MORE TAXES MORE REGULATION BIGGER GOVERNMENT
Not enough houses?
>MORE TAXES MORE REGULATION BIGGER GOVERNMENT
Poor people?
MORE TAXES MORE REGULATION BIGGER GOVERNMENT
Bad healthcare system?
>MORE TAXES MORE REGULATION BIGGER GOVERNMENT
Active shooter?
>MORE TAXES MORE REGULATION BIGGER GOVERNMENT
It's getting warmer?
>MORE TAXES MORE REGULATION BIGGER GOVERNMENT
It's getting cooler?
>MORE TAXES MORE REGULATION BIGGER GOVERNMENT

It's their solution every time when they're already infamously corrupt and terrible at accomplishing their goals in the first place. You judge people by their actions not their words and the same applies to organizations.

>>139743256
I mean, we obviously affect the planet in a ton of ways. It's not inconceivable that we affect the climate with all the stuff that we put in the air that wasn't being put there before. Not saying it's 100%, be we probably affect it in some capacity.

>>139740075
>Leaf
>Elected the king of SJW as PM

Yeah ok

>>139738818

is climate change also the reason that we went a record 12 years without a hurricane hitting the Gulf Coast?

>>139742793
They absolutely falsified data.

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Seriously guys look up the documentary "Not Evil Just Wrong: The True Cost of Global Warming Hysteria"
Here are the people behind the movie shutting down a stupid liberal bitch using ad hominem attacks and feels instead of logic and data.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89SonD5lKGU

>>139739116
>Chunk
>In-charge of being logical.

Pick one.

>>139742958
Not ever, not once. Liberals have never done the right thing for the right reason, ever. It's their hallmark.

>>139743746
No, that'd be Obama :^)

>>139743097
>I've been here 12 years and can't quote posts yet.

Why does /pol/ respond to obvious bait threads. I hope you dumb fucks are SAGEing this shit

>>139743521
and when all of their plans fail
>WE DID NOT RECEIVE ENOUGH TAXES AND REGULATIONS FOR IT TO WORK

Global warming and climate change are not hoaxes. They are real. It is true the climate changes over time. The real issue is how fast does it happen.
These global changes usually happen over the course of MILLIONS of years, but with humans help it has happened over the course of 1000 years (and thta is being generous).
I do believe in the right wing principles, don't think I am a commie lefty, or antifa supporter. Fck those guys 100% all day every day.
But IT IS true that we are forcing these changes on the planet, and it is also true that we are going to suffer the consequences from it. It has to do with all the toxic gases being release into the atmosphere (that is not a theory, it is a fact).
It saddens me a lot to know that the people I have most in common with, my fellow right wingers, think this is all something made up. It is not, and we (mankind) WILL pay the price.
That being said, lets all keep making those snowflakes melt, lets fcking own them commies and most importantly, let's all give ANTIFA a taste of their own medicine.
Unity and rule my friends

>>139738818
When people say they don't believe in climate change, they're specifically referring to the branch called AGW which deals ONLY with anthropological climate change. It means they don't believe humans are the root cause of it.

>>139743957
>Why does /pol/ respond to obvious bait threads

because a solid 40% of the population fully believes that this hurricane has something to do with climate change
and they think shoveling billions of dollars into that Paris fund would help

>>139738818
You answered your own question... "believe", it's a religion

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>>139743957
A) I already said something about that
B) I'm trying to get everyone to just watch the fucking documentary exposing the bullshit climate agencies and studies
>>139743947
>I've never made a mistake before
Eat shit.

Because its just the fucking 70's all over.
>muh aerosols!
>muh global cooling!

>>139742271
This graph doesn't show what you claim it does

Here is the graph on wikipedia with its source

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Carbon14_with_activity_labels.svg

>Changes in the 14C record, which are primarily (but not exclusively) caused by changes in solar activity. Note that "before present" is used in the context of radiocarbon dating, where the "present" has been fixed at 1950.

Here is the raw data from the graph

http://www.radiocarbon.org/IntCal04%20files/intcal04.14c

YOUR FUCKING GRAPH ENDS IN 1950

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/1998GL900157/full

>This finding contradicts recent assertions of a 0.04% irradiance increase from the 1986 to 1996 solar minima and suggests that solar radiative output trends contributed little of the 0.2°C increase in the global mean surface temperature in the past decade. Nor does our 18-year composite irradiance record support a recent upward irradiance trend inferred from solar cycle length, a parameter used to imply a close linkage in the present century between solar variability and climate change.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2011GL046658/full

>The implied marginally significant decrease in TSI during the least active phases of the Maunder Minimum by 140 to 360 ppm relative to 1996 suggests that drivers other than TSI dominate Earth's long-term climate change.

>>139742511
So anyone can go write a paper without any facts and it makes it just as relevant? The consensus is what is used in science until something disproves it, of course some science is wrong right now and will be changed, but if decisions need to be made, they should be made with the current available evidence and what is currently believed to be true. So it might not be correct, but based on the current evidence, which is all we have to go on, a consensus of scientists agree, therefore it is the most right answer we have right now.

>>139744044
>Completely stable for 15 years

>Rate is faster now!

>>139744295
>I'm proud of being known here.

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>>139738818
Mandatory election day video :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWY0iRLV94

>>139744464
>a consensus of scientists agree, therefore it is the most right answer we have right now.
literally
>mom the guy with the lab coat told me so!!!!!

listen to that dude who founded the weather channel. (((climate science))) is a sham. They only get gov't funds if they conclude the same pre-ordained hypothesis. It's like you kids are too young to remember Tobacco science, or the studies funded by Coca-Cola telling you all calories are equal, or like I said earlier, the 17 gov't agents telling you Trump colluded with Russia. I don't know if I'm dealing with shills, children or retards on this board

>>139744311
London, Miami, Los Angeles, and Tokyo are supposed to be underwater, remember?
We were supposed to have an ice age in the '90s, remember?
We were supposed to have global famines in the early aughts, remember?

>>139738939
aaaaaahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahahah


hahahahhahahahhh oooo fuck

YOU ABSOLUTE MORON

hope ya die in a flood you fucking IDIOT.

>>139744812
find a SINGLE peer reviewed paper predicting any of this
you can't.

for a board of 'red pilled skeptics' pol sure does swallow whatever Exxon funded climate denial blogs tell them is true.

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>>139744464
Watch the pic related movie

>>139738818
Climate change is government propaganda

>>139738818
Becsuse the left believes it, so pol doesn't. Pol does the opposite of almost everything that the left does.
Both sides are cultists.

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>>139744780
Are you literally retarded? You point to two companies that say that, while agreeing with scientists is going against oil companies, which are some of the biggest in the world. Why don't you go read some actual science papers and try and understand what is actually going on instead of reading articles from climatechangehoax.com. If you knew the process that these science papers go through to actually get published, and the insane peer review that is done, you would understand why there is a consensus.

>>139745150
Great, a movie by a literal who.
>Ann McElhinney and Phelim McAleer
>Occupation Filmmakers, journalists
So no science, just a couple of people who wanted to get together and make a movie. Since movies are your standard, and not actual science, maybe you should watch pic related.

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>Climate Change Thread
Just post this picture and push the documentary

Don't forget to include this link to this YT video, it's the people who made the documentary destroying a liberal arrogant bitch that is just plain wrong with logic and fact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89SonD5lKGU

>>139745608
The problem is, the vast majority of people look to Al Gore's film as THE consensus on climate change.

>>139745517
This
It really is remarkable. The way pol behaves on climate change is exactly how the left behaves with refugees

>Climate always Changes!
>Europe has always been Multicultural!

>Climate change is good!
>Multiculturalism is good!

>We can't do anything about it, nature is too powerful!
>We can't possibly control our borders!

>How dare you talk about climate change after a major natural disaster!
>How dare you talk about Islam after a terror attack

There is no critical thinking on this board. The fact is every climate denier fool on this board just repeats arguments they read on blogs or in movies, never check the data for themselves and believe whatever the Heartland Institute tell them to believe. I never see deniers post actual studies or research in these threads, just out of context graphs or links to blogs.

>>139745465
No it isn't i can feel the heat.

I don't care if mainland europe has so much people, diesel motors and overall pollution , that you can't tell the seasons apart anymore, besides it's fucking hot and it's fucking cold.

But in here we can tell with accuracy that it's getting warmer every year.

>>139738939
this

so many faggots here were in diapers for Katrina and now think taking about something they have no clue about (((climate change))) makes them smart

these people are retards tricked by anyone wearing a suit on tv

fuck

>>139740298
this

based leaf preach it

so many retarded children running around our website these days

>>139745900
>The fact is every climate change advocate fool on this board just repeats arguments they read on blogs or in movies, never check the data for themselves and believe whatever Al Gore tells them to believe. I never see advocates post actual studies or research in these threads, just out of context graphs or links to blogs.
See how easy that is?

>>139745150
I disagree. Evil and wrong. Love of money is the root of all sorts of evil.

>>139745608
Check out the documentary and the YT video before you bash it.
>>139745764
This is not Al Gore's film, check this one out.

>>139740381
get the fuck out of here small child

you are fucking retarded
we knew they were dumbing down America over the last 2 decades and you are proof of it

fuck you moron

>>139738818
Cenk is a fuckface

>>139745764
Yeah, and that's shitty. I try to take all of my information from actual science, and I hate that liberal idiots like him and Bill Nye the Faggot Guy are pushing this so hard. It really is a problem that transcends politics, but since these guys had to push it, we have to deal with it as a political issue. It wouldn't be so infuriating if we could just build nuclear power plants and solve all of our issues, then dump the waste in the middle of nowhere in Russia or Australia.

>>139746252
But that isn't true is it? I myself have posted several links to actual studies in this thread. Most people who have taken ANY effort to actually understand the science dislike Al Gore. I think he is a fucking idiot for essentially turning the entire republican party into climate change skeptics. Al Gores movie is full of errors, and I am sure that people who understand the issue will gladly admit that. I have never seen a single 'skeptic' admit that any of their arguments are wrong even when shown the raw factual data for themselves (like the Panamanian guy who posted a graph ending in 1950 then ran away when I posted the data for the graph), they either run away, resort to attacks on Al Gore, or move to another argument, even if it contradicts their other arguments.

Maybe you should read the work of Richard Lindzen or Nils Friis Christensen or an actual scientist who is a skeptic of climate change theory if you want a solid basis to make an argument from.

>>139746247
why do you think it's children following this shit? probably 70% of adults would accept the idea that human contributions are warming the planet, especially the most educated. Besides I've not seen anyone on here suggest that katrina or harvey are affecting areas that naturally owuld be swamps ands ubmerged, or how drainage mechanisms are actually less efficient then they've ever been. If you don't have any valid arguments to make you're no better than anyone.

>>139746459
soooooooo like I asked you in the first post I made in this thread - post the science. Post this proof you speak of. I'll wait

>>139746459
See, this is the kind of environmentalism I can actually get behind.
It's the people advocating for:
>open borders
>mass migration
>global redistribution of wealth
>government oversight of energy sector
>carbon taxes
>child limitation policies
that really freaks me out.

>>139746459
I'd prefer if they launched the nuclear waste into space, much better idea. Especially if they could slingshot it around a planet and right into the fucking sun. Poof, problem solved.

Only problem is if the rocket fucks up and explodes taking off it throws a bunch of nuclear waste all over the fucking place.

>>139738818

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4

>>139747079
>Nihilism it's the solution for actual problems that are to big for the market to fix.

>>139746768
Give me some guidelines first, because if I post the generally accepted ones, you're going to call them fake and funded by the evil government. Tell me what you won't accept and I'll find some papers for you.

>>139746781
Yeah, fuck open borders and all that shit, I wouldn't mind the government giving money to help fund solar, but that's because I think there is so much untapped energy in solar that we aren't using. I would prefer that over nuclear just because there is so much energy the sun is outputting that we aren't using, but fuck solar panels, that shit isn't working. As long as we only raise the amount of energy we use and not just stop using oil and have an energy crisis because of climate change, that would be even worse for the world.

>>139746873
I would be for that as long as we have enough energy that launching objects into space is no longer a large cost, which I want more than anything.

>>139739305
Remember the 6 million killed by climate change holocaust!

>>139747335
anyhting that is not based on Michael Mann's demonstrably false science.

again, i'll wait. We both know there is no actual science that proves anthropological climate change is real, so why are you even going down this path?

ww3 soon, which will precipitate "climate change" on a scale that makes these pronouncements irrelevant

>durr 10 cm sea level rise in 50 years

>>139746735
>'ve not seen anyone on here suggest that katrina or harvey are affecting areas that naturally owuld be swamps ands ubmerged,
This, we call it "covering it with concrete"

Also the 1900 Galveston hurricane. BIGGEST natural disaster in the US of all time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane

Learn these fun facts in other in the *NEW* hurricane thread.
>>139745309

>>139747335
>>139747563
*crickets chirping*

>>139747563
>>139748263
Here's your datasets, tried to find some that didn't have any scientists making any assumptions on any, so it's the pure data you can download and look at for yourself.
https://crudata.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

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>>139747563
There are many temperature proxies other than the hockey stick. Various proxies are used tree ring and otherwise.

>>139738818
Because they've been pozzed by Saudi Arabia loving neocons.

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>>139748717
>not even .2 degree shift in 150 years
o i am laffin
THAT'S IT IM BUYING A HYBRID

i do but don't really think it matters. ultimately the sun will start expanding, and even a 10% expansion of what it is today will render life on this planet dead. all life on this planet will be gone far before the sun engulfs earth.

muh global warming is not a sham in the scientific sense, but it absolutely is otherwise as far as getting as much $$$ as possible from retards.

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>>139738818

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>>139748877
(it ends in 1950)
(it is closer to 0.4)

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-warming/last-2000-years

this ends in 1980

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2017/20170118_Temperature2016.pdf

2016 was 1.26 degrees C above pre industrial although we are actually at around 1.07 degrees excluding short term variability

>>139749956
so what happened in the year 900? Was that caused by all the fossil fuels?

How about 1300s? Same thing? Too many cars on the highways? Too much heavy industry and agriculture? Your graph only proves that the climate changes over time, which is not up for debate, we all know that. Prove anthropological climate change. You can't.

also
>don't post the hockey stick meme
>anons proceed to post 20 variations of the hockey stick

>>139739116
Do you think he cares? The guy is a deep covert operative working under Erdogan to bring about the absolute destruction and end of the American Empire.

"9/11? Soon to be 18/22, kuffar!" - Cenk Uygur

>>139750362
>anons proceed to post 20 variations of the hockey stick

Could it be that the hockey stick was right and other reconstructions agree with it?

Also, climate can change for other reasons
researchers know this

Solar activity is likely what caused the MWP. We know for a fact that isn't the cause of todays warming.
Why are you so certain that climate scientists think only industry can cause warming? You are ignoring the sun.

The failure in this thread to differentiate between the below is alarming.
>Global Warming - real
>Man Made Global Warming - most probably not real, but we could probably do better to stop wrecking the gaff

>>139751004
so why do they want to regulate and tax all industry if its the suns' fault? You are poking holes in your own theory

>>139738818
I don't believe the climate exists. Has anyone ever proven it to exist? NO. They just talk about it like it's a fact when in reality there is NO EVIDENCE that it exists.

>>139738818
>WHy doesn't /pol/ believe in Climate Change?
Who says we don't? Perhaps denying climate change is the best way to deny Democrat plans to globalize and dissolve national boundaries. I'd rather die than give up my nation to the UN or some other climate authority.

>>139738818
because I want the planet to die

>>139743597
>we are so powerful we destroy the planet
>we are so weak we cant save it
probably isnt science nigger, thats the problem. i am sure we do affect it, so why is it so fucking hard to find proof that we do? Also co2 isnt a fucking hitler gas we actually need the shit to survive on this planet. liberal global warming is cancer for your brain.

>>139744101
its almost like liberals use words in specific ways, almost as if they are trying to confuse you so it makes it hard to argue against what appears to be blatant horse shit.

>>139738818
Chunk Yoghurt should shut his fat fucking mouth. The Hurricane is a tragedy and he is a scumbag for trying to advance his political agenda on the back this calamity.

>>139738818
Climate change is simply metro but sound more fancy and guilty

As a "climate change denier" I'd compromise one further and say we do indeed alter the climate in localized areas. The smog and heat in LA can probably easily be tied to all the pollution, however, does the climate not mitigate this naturally? Why does 50 years of controlled pollution from LA still cover roughly the same area? And why is smog now actually less concentrated than say back in the 70s-80s?
>Hurr it goes into the whole of the environment
Which is then "regulated" by trees and shit. I'm all for planting more trees and plants and shit in areas where the natural climate will allow it, but crippling businesses in rural Idaho because of pollution is just silly. Regulations always hurt small businesses before it hurts big industry and until we can find affordable reliable green energy (like hydro which liberals hate, or nuclear which has shown even after the largest disasters clean themselves up naturally after a few decades which isn't remotely as irreversible as people claimed. Further furthermore I don't trust the government to use the funding the taxpayers would provide appropriately, opening more bureaucracies for jobs Obama would brag about because "working Americans are siphoning our tax dollars away" I think that people like Bill Gates and Al Gore should really lead the charge with privatized industries that work on cleaning up the environment instead of lobbying for more lax government jobs where they piss and moan about pollution while they print ream after ream of packets of potential policies that will get declined but must be made to secure their jobs.

Finally, doing some independent research through weather websites
>Weather isn't climate
You'll find many cities along the equator actually have lower temperatures on average than the highest average temperatures of the last 40 years, and cold climate areas while in some areas are warmer, are also colder in other areas and seasons, which I suppose you could chalk up to climate change... Cont

>>139753826
Cont
However I believe there are too many moving parts to conclusively state that mankind has had a specific noticeable impact of the whole climate and not just immediate climates of high pollution areas. Thank you, and have a good day

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>>139738818
>if you don't believe our exact left wing predictions and recommendations about the future you hate science and don't believe a planet's climate can change. BTW there are 6 million genders

really makes me think.

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>>139753826
>but crippling businesses in rural Idaho because of pollution is just silly
You are right. Globalists want to be able to regulate all industry, and shut down those they don't like. We can't trust 'em, they'll finally kill White America.

>>139738818
/pol/lacks can't think for themselves, they have to be told what to believe.

>>139738818
>believe

because it's a religion that requires belief

>>139738818
based aussies https://www.pacificclimatefutures.net/en/help/climate-projections/understanding-climate-variability-and-change/

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>>139738818
Are you referring to increased average global temperature? Earth has recovered from hothouse phase before. Sea level rise? Of course, we're in an interglacial and the sea has risen 400 meters in the last 20kYa. Nitrification? Yeah, the Haber-Bosch process is the only reason population has gotten this large and out-of-hand. Previously nitrogen limited ecosystems are now phosphorus limited. Peak Oil? Bring the happenings what did you think was going to happen when all traditional methods of making goods were assembly line petroleum products for a century, long enough to lose cultural knowledge... GMOs? It's just like selective breeding except the Jews control your very DNA now. Listen the polar bears and coral and seabirds and megafauna and humans are absolutely fucked but the tardigrades will be fine.

>>139738818
Because it's bullshit and just a magic excuse for the government to regulate everything.

Sage.