Sir Oswald Mosley

>>139644566
Do Brexit correctly and we'll talk.

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>>139644566
Greatest Englishman in the last 100 years.

he was always a beta shithead.

he was a frickin nazi scum

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>>139645336

>>139645552

Wanting to make peace with the Nazi regime in order to save English lives and let them fight it out with the Communists does not make you a "Nazi."

From its very inception the B. U. F. disclaimed all racial or religious prejudice. You were never to attack a man on what he was born as, only on what he did. It just so happened that Jews as a class were trying to push us towards a war with Germany at that time, and so the B. U. F. pointed it out.

Weren't there a few "Man Who Fought The Bank" style Mosley videos? Does anyone know where they are/if they still exist?

>>139645799
what about the jewish lives? all the normal working class jews that did nothing to harm anyone

>>139646875

The violence was one-way. The Blackshirts were not going about disrupting other people's meetings; Communists and other "alt-left" of the day would come to theirs armed with razors and other weapons for that purpose. Blackshirts were themselves prohibited from carrying weapons, and so had to defend themselves with their bare fists.

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>>139644566
Mosley is literally the only greatest fascist that has ever lived. He was too good for this world.

When will lazy janitors add this flag already?!

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>>139645336
>>139645552
>>139646875
Shut it down!

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>you were the greatest power on earth and still can be
>why do i say you still can be ?
>because my friends, i know you, i know the british people

i cry everytim

<3 Mosley

>>139645799
fuck, if the truth ever comes out i hope they make a movie out of it. wwII was kike made tragedy, it's surreal how many great men were brought forward to defend the west. no comparison to the beta cucks we have today

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>He will never, EVER come back

We need to find a new vessel for his spirit.

Is it (you)?

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>>139644566
Is there a american version of oswald besides that stupid cheeto in office

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>>139650542
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1504128917260.webm

>>139651807

Father Coughlin springs immediately to mind. Another man who has been falsely painted as an "antisemite" too. Here he is speaking against the Federal Reserve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzLMRAz5G_4

https://davidduke.com/was-father-charles-e-coughlin-really-an-anti-semite/

>>139651807
rockwell

>>139651807
George Lincoln Rockwell, he fought in WW2 and realized what a horrible mistake it was. Another is George Patton.

>>139651807
>MEGA

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNPzlFivd3M

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>>139650542

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyOzTM2TyXo
Does anyone know the name of this song??? I need to know.

>>139650542

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fng3Vdte7mw

>>139651461
>Struggles we have had and will have. Blows we have taken and will again. Victories we have had and will have again, yes greater victories than even Britons have ever known. Through good and ill we march on, till victory be won, for this is the character of the true revolutionary. In the great moments of supreme struggle and decision it is easy to hold that character, even in supreme sacrifice. It is not so easy in the hard daily task. It is then even more that in the great fights we have together that I would like to be the companion of every one of you. I would like to be with every action team that carries the message of our new faith to new streets. I would like to be with every man or woman during the hard but vital job of giving leadership to the people in the block of houses for which they are responsible.

>For these are the jobs that come, by the dedication of thousands to that mission of leading the people in their own homes and streets, revolution is won. In that task I cannot in body be with everyone of you every day. But in spirit I am with you always. Because this work of the dedicated Blackshirt will win the Britain to which my whole spirit is given. Together in Britain we have lit a flame that the atheists shall not extinguish. Guard that sacred flame my brother Blackshirts until it illumines Britain and lights again the path of mankind.

>>139653633
breaks my heart

>>139651461
A VESSEL TO THE SPIRIT A VESSEL TO THE SPIRIT A VESSEL TO THE SPIRIT A VESSEL TO THE SPIRIT A VESSEL TO THE SPIRIT A VESSEL TO THE SPIRIT A VESSEL TO THE SPIRIT A VESSEL TO THE SPIRIT

>>139644566
he was a closet faggot
why do /pol/tards always worship such people?

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>>139654371
who do you worship

>>139644566

It's baffling that Churchill, a warmonger, is considered a hero but Hitler is somehow the bad guy.

Hitler begged the west for peace so that they could fight the commies

>>139651807
Rockwell

But Mosley was better. Credit where credit is due. They also had Enoch Powell.

>>139653111
>blocked in your country
Shocking.

>>139644566

I always wondered who the man behind the Eternal Anglo meme was.

Then I listen to some of his speeches and realise that he was as far emoved from that aspect as possible.

I wonder if it was some Jewish trick or simple reverse psychology.

>>139654714
>I wonder if it was some Jewish trick or simple reverse psychology.
THIS
ALL NON-JEWISH MERCHANTS WERE CREATED BY JEWS

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>>139654541
The narrative is maintained because the truth is far too painful. Every single rallying cry for the war has slowly defeated itself, and each cause and want that the soldiers had in their hearts has been betrayed. So much has been taken away that all we can say about the countless lives and destruction of our empire is "we'd be speaking German now!"

>>139654714
A roach made that meme apparently. Exploit old animosity, prevent new solidarity. They certainly didn't pic him by chance for the role. And not Churchill. Same shit as with "based bomber harris" and all the rest of the Jew memes.

>>139651807
>>139652804
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Legion_of_America

>>139654670
Here you go
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1502681022455.webm

>>139644566
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgZcF96om0Q

New Kai Murros, very relevant to this thread

>>139654596
Powell and Mosley aren't very alike.

>>139654541
Well, it would mean we would have to accept we fought a pointless war costing the deaths of millions just to allow the rise of international communism causing the deaths of another hundred million.
Better to swallow a giant lie.

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>>139644566
Hail Mosley

>>139655172
errrrrr
ima need a quick rundown on this goy because my almonds have become very activated

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>>139648984
So fucking aesthetic

>>139655235
Because?

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>>139655525
There are a few people who out-Hitler Hitler.

William Pierce and Kai Murros. Kai is a Finnish guy guy who is ferociously pro-European and wants to expand our frontiers aggressively. He's actually fucking nuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHFakGIHxis

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>>139655425
What could have been...

>>139655235

One wanted early war with Hitler, the other, to make peace. Either option would have prevented a World War.

We should also have avoided the dire situation our country is presently in by listening to either: the war created the demoralization necessary to introduce immigration; the other attempted to put a stop to it before it could really get underway.

They held different views on economics, but such matters are nothing to the survival of the nation itself.

>>139654714
>>139655984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-j1Dg2nKKY

>>139655525
He's a lunatic with a bloodlust.

>>139656182

>the war created the demoralization necessary to introduce immigration

read: opposed the war which created etc.

I attempted to watch a Mosley video posted on Brit/pol ... message says banned by your government...now curious..what did this man have to say that is considered so dangerous?

>>139655905
Because they disagreed on incredibly fundamental things? Powell was so desperate to join the war he claimed to be an Australian and he saw National Socialism as a bigger threat than the Soviets, mostly for geo-political reasons. They also immensely disagree on economic matters.

I like both of them in their own ways but they aren't very similar.

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>>139655525
Kai is a Finnish right-wing Maoist and Hitler-tier orator. This is the speech that introduced me to him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wNMgxQFZpg

I still watch it whenever I'm feeling blackpilled.

>>139656323

... that is to say, "the one opposed the war which created" etc. Really must stop making posts with half attention and without re-reading.

Goebbels was great too.
For him i learned to speak german


https://youtu.be/Yopqrazma4o

>>139656488
"it is childish nonsense for us to say a british government controls britain... its nothing but bull the british government or the british people... the government of the world is a financial government loyal to the power of money.. and money alone"

>>139656182
I'm not saying there are no similarities at all, they aren't so often placed beside each other for no reason. I just think the differences are too often lost.

Some people are more receptive to Powell than Mosley, and vice versa, and could be put off by too heavy a connection to the other.

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>>139652509
Why did it have to be autistic Hitler and not Mosley to rise and become pure embodiment of Fascim?
Just too much feels with this great guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isq6YltjRRU&t=8s

>>139657129

The three most important things I find in common between them are: both were patriots, both were prophets, and both were intransigent truth-tellers.

>>139652804
Rockwell and Mosley, true patriots denied by their own people.

>>139653633
The guy asking him a question at the end is such a weasley cunt.

I would guess Mosley was crying because he failed and saw the horrific war Britain was needlessly put through, with all the UKs best men killed.

>>139656488
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1501780073748.webm

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when that period -- this period comes to be written and men look back at it, if we did right, if we stood firm, if we stood greatly. It will be a matter of honour and admiration of generations to come!

>>139645799
>>139645552
>>139645336
I did some reading on the bloke. While I don't have a dog in this fight personally I will say from the way it seems to me, his attitude of avoiding war seems to stem from his experiences as a Soldier in WW1. He only entered politics with the Conservative Party at 21. I'd imagine if he wasn't in the war he wouldn't have done the things he did.

Ultimately a product of his times.

>>139657575

He has exactly the same nastiness of tone in his voice and in his attitude as all the modern interviewers on TV too, whenever they deal with Nigel Farage or anybody even remotely right-wing -- it makes one realize the same class has comprised "the establishment" ever since the very close of the war.

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>>139656523
Well, then I suppose Powell shouldn't have been upset about the treatment he got, because at the end of the day the people that destroyed his life were the ones the war enabled. Especially the left liberal degenerates of the 60s that ridiculed and smeared him to death.

Stranger still (((Molyneux))) didn't even choose Powell as his icon to shill for, but went straight to the direct Jew puppet (((Churchill))). Really telling about Mr. no argument man.

>>139644566
As much as i love Mosley you brits often totally condemn and reject Hitler. Simply because you're so proud of your own history. Hitler was greater then Mosley, then Mussolini, all of the,. He was the Greatest man in the world at that time.

If anyone wants a red-pill watch this
Sir Oswald Mosley VS Anti-Free Speech Hecklers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjpq-oSr_gQ

The exact same shit we are talking about today.

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>>139657616
Just came from bong blackpill thread >>139641751
And now watching this.

All is lost, isn't it?

>>139658096

One led to a World War which killed tens of millions of Europeans by his impatience and his promise-breaking, the other did everything in his power to prevent that war. There is no comparison to be made between them.

>>139657072
Mosley was too red pilled. No wonder he got GULAGed

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>>139658232
I dunno... time will tell i guess.

>>139644566

ADOLF BRITLER

>>139658232
because every fucking muslim is called mohammed
think about it lol

>>139658338
See this obvious bias. If you honestly can't see that Mosley was pro-Hitler you're a fool. Actually though you British and French caused a world war, and even after the French had been beaten back you still would not surrender and join with Germany against communism, three peace treaties were sent to you and France all were rejected. You instead sided with Communism which then took over half of Europe and infiltrated the rest of the west with cultural Marxism. If you had of sided with Germany the world would of been a better place.

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>>139658338
Eternal Anglo

>>139658762
>would of

Disgusting.

>>139644566
>If England survives the coming crisis as a nation, he will some day be remembered as one our greatest heroes.
Most people in Britain have no clue who he even is. Bring up his name in a group conversation and most of the time you will get 100% blank faces.

>>139658093
I've always been very fond of Powell. I understand his reasoning. It's interesting to note he was very fond of Germany, he loved Wagner and was arrested onsuspicion of spying for singing Horst Wessel Lied around camp.

> (((Molyneux)))
Who?

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>>139658865
>most of the time you will get 100% blank faces

I'd prefer blank faces to average British faces.

>>139658762

I was not Hitler’s ally. As far as I and Hitler go, the answer is this. I declared in a speech in 1934, that we could never have any racial policy in Great Britain because we were running a multiracial Empire. The Germans were antisemites and I was not.

https://youtu.be/rd7LcaXZzUs?t=21m40s

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INTERVIEWER: If Hitler had survived the war, would you have been in favour of his being tried and convicted for war crimes?

OSWALD MOSLEY: Yes, I think any one who has committed crimes should always be tried under whatever law exists.

INTERVIEWER: And do you think he should have been, or would have been, found guilty?

OSWALD MOSLEY: I have said again and again that the murder of the Jews in the concentration camps was an outrageous and vile crime. While I don’t think nearly so many were killed as are supposed to be killed, that doesn’t matter. Any crime, the murder of any defenceless prisoner, is a crime, and everybody must detest it.

https://youtu.be/rd7LcaXZzUs?t=26m37s

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INTERVIEWER: Would you say that the wrong side won the war?

OSWALD MOSLEY: No, certainly not. And I offered to fight in the last war the moment the life of Britain was at stake.

https://youtu.be/rd7LcaXZzUs?t=32m1s

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INTERVIEWER: Would you say it would have been better, or not been better, if Hitler had never existed?

OSWALD MOSLEY: No, certainly better that he should not ever have existed, because his existence led to 25 million Europeans being killed.

https://youtu.be/rd7LcaXZzUs?t=32m40s

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INTERVIEWER: Sir Oswald, do you now, looking back with the hindsight and knowledge of history, blame the Jews or Hitler for the Second World War?

SIR OSWALD MOSLEY: I blame both: Hitler for driving east, before he had got a diplomatic arrangement with us; Jews, for gradually persuading us, or the British people or government, to do absurd things which were bound to result in war. I was against both mistakes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNhF28fzN9I&feature=youtu.be&t=219

>>139658232
I firmly believe the fate of our race and this planet was decided in 1945. Not to mention our species almost got extinct because of Jewish ideology and Jewish weapons. The problem with the alt-right and the new right in general is that they are in a much more desperate position than even NatSoc Germany was. To truly achieve their goals, they would have to change the entire world order, but which they cannot. So they fantasize about a great apocalypse that just does not want to come.

Maybe you can remain the majority in your country, but the nations of Europe will never be again what they used to be.

>>139658232
Yes.

If a small group rise up, their friends and family will turn on them. If a large group rises up, the entire state apparatus will turn on them.

If, through magic, the entire nation was to wake up, the surrounding EU nations will beat us down.

And if Europe entire was to take back its homeland? Well, we'd find out what those American military bases are really for, and all those Americans who have been itching for decades to come over to the homeland and kill another Hitler, they'll sign up in their millions to hand the continent to the "rebels".

>>139658131
Thanks for the video! Will be passing it on. How history repeats itself!

>>139645336
he was an officer on the front lines literally the opposite of a beta

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>>139658966
You're on /pol/ and don't know about Stefan Molyneux? Strange! How long have you been here?

>>139659038
Like I said in the previous thread, you're acting like an autist who finally found a fascist idol who didn't cause suffering (in the eyes of normies). Mosley got funded by Hitler after the Jew tried to shut him down. OBVIOUSLY he couldn't straight up say "Hitler should've won!" after the damn war.

>>139659038
>using speeches from after ww2

You do realize he had to go back on half of what he originally thought and said right? I've seen everyone of those and he has to keep compromising not to be labeled a mass murdering anti Semite Nazi, he does it and a very elegant way mind you. But please counter the other points i made, why did you side with Communism against National Socialism?

>>139644566
strange how they don't teach about him in high school

>>139659291
It's more to do with him not British and not able to admit the Germans were right (even though the British are an of shoot of the Germans).

>>139659291

"After the War, Oswald Mosley challenged the Labour Government to go through the British Union account books and bank transactions and find any evidence of donations by foreign governments. The Labour Government, which hated Mosley, produced no such evidence that he had been financed by Germany, Italy or any other country. Subsequent research by historians, journalists, and academics have also failed to produce a single piece of evidence to support the claim that Oswald Mosley or his political movement received finance from foreign countries. The fact was – British Union was financed by donations from thousands of patriotic British people who believed their fellow countrymen and women deserved better than long-term unemployment, hunger and war.

There is however clear evidence that the British Communist Party, the Labour Party, and the Conservative Party have all in the past received donations from overseas sources."

https://www.oswaldmosley.com/top-10-lies-about-oswald-mosley/

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>>139659482
I'm curious what are you're thoughts on this picture?

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>>139659375
It's probably better that way, no doubt the teachers would only paint a negative view of him

>>139659038
>we could never have any racial policy in Great Britain because we were running a multiracial Empire
Civicuck

>>139654541
>Be Hitler
>Invade Poland, Yugoslavia, the Netherlands, Belgium, the Soviet Union, France, Denmark, and Norway
>Stop before each new invasion to ask for peace
>Be considered a peaceful leader defending his people

Inb4 Poland started it

>>139659602
What's to be though? Mosley was known to be incredibly fond of Italian Fascism.

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>>139659482
Goebbels wrote about it in his diary.

>Like Hitler he regarded Britain as holding the key to Germany’s future. But how to proceed? Mosley was ‘spending a fortune and getting nowhere,’ he concluded; he had won no seats at all in the municipal elections. ‘I think he’s a busted ush,’ wrote Goebbels after a further panhandling visitation by Lady Mosley in August 1937.

>>139659913
>but he he hated National Socialism

britcucks actually believe this

>>139659313

You will not find a single instance of his having gone back on what he said at the very formation of the party. We can go to the original literature and see for ourselves. For example, as to his opinion towards Jews:

"Jews must put the interests of Britain before those of Jewry, or be deported from Britain. This is not a principle of racial or religious persecution. Any well-governed nation must insist that its citizens owe allegiance to the nation, and not to co-racialists and co-religionists resident outside its borders or organized as a state within the State. The Jews, as a whole, have chosen to organize themselves as a nation within the Nation and to set their interests before those of Great Britain. They must, like everyone else, put "Britain First" or leave Britain.

It is untrue to suggest that Jews will be persecuted under Fascism in Britain. Bullying or persecution of any kind is foreign to the British character. We shall not keep Jews here to bully them. Those who have been guilty of anti-British conduct will be deported. Those against whom no such charge rests will be treated as foreigners, but in accordance with the traditional British treatment of foreigners within these shores, will not be ill-treated or molested.

On the other hand, foreigners who have not proved themselves worthy citizens of Britain will be deported."

In other words, he disclaims antisemitism, or hating a man simply because of what he was born as, as well as persecution; but also recognizes the harms that Jews were inflicting as a general class.

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>>139659602

>>139644566
we should find the closest heir to Edward VIII and install him as King of europe

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>>139659907
Silence, Stalin loving, nip killing, Jew puppet!

>>139660088
You should read the Culture of Critique. You'll realize there's absolutely nothing wrong with deporting every single Jew.

>>139659734
Listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=124&v=KNPzlFivd3M

>>139659602

You refer, of course, to the same Benito Mussolini who said: "Race? It is a feeling, not a reality. Ninety-five per cent, at least. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today.… National pride has no need of the delirium of race."

Mosley himself called Mussolini "affable but unimpressive."

The extremist Nazi obsession with race and biology as the origin of all human behaviour, and with the "Master Race" has nothing necessarily to do with Fascism. Those views were already held by Germans during the First World War, and, as we have seen, were not held by Mussolini. It is mistake to confound the two.

>>139660190
There's a high chance, he's going to be a cuck. Almost all of the descendants got the (((reeducation))).

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>>139644566
Reminder that New British Union exists and has been slowly gaining support in Britain. If there was the will for it, we could turn this movement around. Right now it's occupied by some fairly incompetent management, but it's worth keeping an eye on at-least.

http://www.newbritishunion.co.uk/

>>139659655
This is the most important distinction between Powell and Mosley. Powell was a nationalist, through and through, loyal to British traditions even when they were declining, as was all European tradition. He was absolutely opposed to pan-europeanism.

I don't how I feel. On one hand I would like to return to national conservatism but I also think that it's impossible in the modern era and closer union with Europe, to oppose the US and Soviets, would have perhaps put us in better stead. Though it's at odds with much of our tradition most of it is lost anyway, and increasingly so.

>>139660298

All men have a soul and freedom of will, and as such are ultimately to be judged by their actions and not by their blood. Anglicized and patriotic Jews who have no wish but to assimilate should not be persecuted.

>>139660298
If you think about it, if its in the nature of the jews to be against the host nation, and Mosley said that any jew caught being anti british will be deported. It will sort itself out

>>139660088
>Bullying or persecution of any kind is foreign to the British character

top kek

So basically he was defiantly going to deport the Jews he was just making it sound "nice" "im not deporting them because they're Jewish im deporting them because they're bad people". When he was an old man he would not dare say anything like that instead all would say we accept all races of people who will serve Britain.

>>139649559
not only the media, they basically control 25% of the U.S. economy. they are less than 3% of the population. they are over-represented in campaign contribution 13X their proportion in the population. the contribute 75% of all money to the democrat party and 25% of all money to the republicans. they only controlled 20% of the German economy prior to the Nazis. I don't see good times ahead for the jews. Once the (((Bernie))) crowd wakes up to the fact that the Jews are the 1%, it will be lights out.

>>139660003
Nobody is saying he hated national socialism. He wasn't wholly influenced by it and seemingly disagreed with core aspects of it. Why is this hard to understand?

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>>139660426
>>139660645
Based Jews!

>>139660645
Say that to homo erects and the Neanderthals before they were wiped out.

>>139651807
YES
George Lincoln Rockwell
https://youtu.be/DB9oUqIcX-c

>>139660645
>Jews who have no wish but to assimilate
is that like a bear that doesn't crap in the woods?

>>139660703
Well, there was a woke black man who confronted (((Bernie))) with that reality. And of course Mr. "I'm proud to be Jewish" shut it down and the poor guy got booed to hell.

>>139660548
Absolute LARPing. Their memes are so stale I wouldn't even toast them.

>>139660426
Yes but he's obvious association with Axis members shows he was in favor of them just as they were in favor of him.

>>139660303
I was joking, don't worry. Subtleties of speech don't evade me like many here.

>>139659375
What would students think if they heard this in full?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=70&v=g-j1Dg2nKKY

Nothing was false from what he said.

>>139660757

Do you consider great men like Baruch Spinoza and Felix Mendelssohn unworthy of Europe?

>>139651807
>stupid cheeto
why the hate?

but Charles Lindburgh was his equivilent in the U.S. He was the most popular man in america, but when he came out for America First, the jew media destroyed him

>>139660740
Because that's not what I'm saying I'm trying to tell this op that Mosley would of sided with Hitler and was on there side. He keeps try to differentiate them as enemies or something with Hitler being a warmonger and Mosley being the peaceful man of Britain.

>>139661135
yes. they are pathetic kikes

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>>139661189
He was based. There's a great deal of info regarding that in Culture of critique

>>139659655
> Supporting Pan-Europeanism
> American flag
Doesn't surprise me to see a typical le 50% mutt LARPing as European.

>>139661135
Unneeded. If i could trade them to get rid of every other jew in Europe i would do it in a heartbeat.

>>139660959

Obviously he wanted to preserve peace, but that is not the same thing as allying with somebody. Mosley's policy was only to fight when Britain itself was under threat. He was an advocate of the policy advocated by that illustrious Jew Benjamin Disraeli, "Splendid isolation." He would have let Hitler drive east and fight the Communists, but he would not have joined him.

>>139644566
>thrown

[citation needed]

>>139660548
Seems Mosley would've hated it to be frank. You don't try to emulate history, only take indpiration and learn from it; you should forge something new and appropriate to your time.

>>139661135
I cannot speak for Mendelssohn, but Baruch Spinoza has a dangerous and subversive element in him. Either way there exists a Jewish state now, so there is no reason for them to remain in Europe. For Spinoza the real question would be, if his own synagogue would let him live. And we also do not know, if Spinoza would have supported communism today which I personally consider to be very, very likely. Same with Einstein.

>>139661379
>Unbeknownst to Mosley, the British Security Service and Special Branch had deeply penetrated the BUF and were also monitoring him through listening devices. Beginning in 1934, they were increasingly worried that Mosley's noted oratory skills would convince the public to provide financial support to the BUF, enabling it to challenge the political establishment.[29] His agitation was officially tolerated until the events of the Battle of France in May 1940 made him too dangerous.[1] Mosley, who at that time was focused on pleading for the British to accept Hitler's peace offer of March, was detained on 23 May 1940, less than a fortnight after Winston Churchill became Prime Minister.[1] Mosley was interrogated for 16 hours by Lord Birkett[29] but never formally charged with a crime, instead being interned under Defence Regulation 18B. The same fate met the other most active fascists in Britain, resulting in the BUF all but disappearing from the political horizon.[1] His wife, Diana, was also interned in June,[30] shortly after the birth of their son Max; they lived together for most of the war in a house in the grounds of Holloway prison. The BUF was proscribed later that year.

>>139661362
So you honestly think that if Mosley had come to power he would not of allied with the Axis?

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>>139645336
HE ABSOLUTELY WAS NOT YOU FUCKING NOBODY

>>139661337
>Makes fun of Americans
>Uses American flag
Really makes you think...

>>139661229
Oh well yes that's a stupid argument.

>>139661362
Also I noticed everything you're saying is relying on stuff he said after the war, which is totally unreliable.

>>139660948
That's what I meant by 'fairly incompetent management', they haven't figured out how to create and distribute good propaganda to recruit members, and they're too focused on the past of British fascism to be forward-facing. Gary Raikes held a good speech in the London Forum, that's the sort of content that they need to produce and distribute going forward.

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>>139661322
(((Neocons)))
(((project for a new american century)))
(((diversity quotas)))

>>139661337
I'm actually first gen European diaspora. And I don't support pan Europeanism. Just a brotherhood.

>>139661536
churchill was shabbos goy, he was owned by the kikes from the first time he ran for office

>>139661354

If Jews are responsible for every single woe in Europe then classic Greek history is a lie. We had a proto-world-war in the Peloponnesian War that led to incalculable suffering and death, as well as many other bloody and needless wars between the Greek states that were constantly going on, long before a single Jew had entered Europe. Greece was also degenerating into a state of decadence and luxury and wicked behaviour again long before a single Jew had entered Europe. The biological theory of the mind does not account for the facts human history. Nations rise or fall by their virtues or their vices. It is correct to blame an alien influence where it is due, but to uphold a theory that the white man would be in a perfect condition if only it were not for the Jew is clearly wrong.

>>139661135
>Do you consider great men like (((Baruch))) S--
No
>Wait anon lemme finish!
They're kikes. They're unworthy of Europe by default.

>>139661749
>If Jews are responsible for every single woe in Europe
>writing a fucking blog on a straw man

>>139661322
Does it explain all of his German mistresses, seems fishy.

>>139661536
They arrested his wife and newborn child, too. So he had more to protect after the war than just his skin.

>>139661640
That's colossal incompetence. They're a historical re-enactment society in the most literal sense.

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We need an Oswald Mosley today. I listen to this speech weekly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbbL4l359bo&feature=youtu.be&t=17m20s

>>139644566
bump

>>139661749
Well since you mention it Jews were in Greece as early as 300 BC. But this has little to do with the point, Jews have caused nothing but trouble for Europe, the few good ones hardly makeup the troubles of the bad ones. The costs outweigh the benefits.

>>139661337
I'm increasingly coming round to the idea as I realise how hollow our remaining national traditions are. There's so little left and our international power is highly diminished, and continually so relative to the growing world powers.

Unfortunately the EU is far from the ideal, near the complete opposite in fact.

>>139661943
>historical re-enactment society
At least that would be better than Mcburger Neo-Nazism. Put on a Swastika, behave like a degenerate, FED joins your side. Wtf, I'm Hitler naow! Saviour of the white race!

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>>139661625

Remark what this poster says: "Britons fight for Britons only."

In 1939 he concisely described his party's policy as follows: “Mind Britain’s business. Concentrate on the British Empire. Say to the world, as I do to-night, if any nation in the world sets foot across the frontier of British Empire, as one man, we English will fight for Britain. But Britons shall die in no other quarrel.”

https://www.oswaldmosley.com/britain-first-rally-1939/

>>139659655
you're probably right, it's not to late for them to start though

>>139661749
at the time of the greeks, the jews were still a small insignificant sect. the major clash of civilizations was between the semitic (a term which includes arabs, egyptians, north africans) civilizations and indo european civilization. the pre-homer greeks were a semitic civilization that was conquered by an indo european civilization, but not settled. the indo europeans became the ruling class but the majority of the greek population was and is still semitic. the punic wars were a civilizational clash between indo european romans and semitic carthaginians

the jews themselves never became an issue until late roman times, and then became a thorn in the side of indo european civilization that became worse with every passing century

>>139661943
Why do you think I said that the movement has to be turned around? In their defense, it's easy for us to throw stones when we haven't done anything for British fascism. We haven't stuck our necks out like they have. I'm hopeful that they'll reform their public image or that the networking of aspiring fascists will lead to the creation of a better movement.

>>139662140

300 B. C. is long after all the events I just spoke of took place. That is after Macedon had conquered Greece and pushed east. The only reason why the Macedonians were able to subjugate it in the first place was because Greece had torn itself to pieces and collapsed into a mere shadow of its former self. Not a single Jew had a hand in that.

>>139651807
William Dudley Perry and his Silvershirts.

>>139662154
The EU was constructed by people like Kalergi and literal anarcho-communists, Gramski tier. It's a freemason's wet dream - or caricature. And it shows in the people who represent it today. It is, in fact, the embodiment of what Himmler and Hitler prophecized would come about, were the Reich to lose the war.

And the prophecy of genocidal apocalypse at the hands of the Soviets just took the variation into total nuclear annihilation and the fate of Germany at the hands of the Ivan. And the other allies. And the Poles and Czechs.

>>139662279
Britons for Britons doesn't mean anti-German lol. Even in this poster the bias towards Germany is so obvious he's literally saying we should let Germany take Czechoslovakia.

>>139662501
My bad, it's 'Pelley' not Perry.

>>139648984
>When will lazy janitors add this flag already?!
fucking honestly though.

>>139651807
There was actually a Nazi (American) rally before the war in America. It looked pretty big

>>139661443
Spinoza was disowned by the Jewish community, and did not consider himself part of their legacy intellectually. Compare to: Levinas, Derrida

>>139662434
lol It doesn't matter, nobody is saying the world would be perfect if the Jews weren't in Europe. But it be a hell of a lot better then it is today. Strawman harder. You seem to jsut pic one little area of somebody argument attack that, and ignore the rest.

>>139662690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gU9op16rjQ

Forgot link

>>139661895

People like you will never realize that Hitler's cruel and relentless persecution of all Jews led to nothing but sympathy for them and ultimately to his downfall. It was an enormous part of the justification for the war. Had he simply been moderate like Mosley it might even have been prevented. Hitler tainted all Fascism and indeed all right-wing thought by association, and to this day the incessant clinging to Nazism and Hitler continues to prevent us from making any headway towards the recovery of the West.

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>>139662577

Yes, I am aware of that, but the point I made is that he was not Hitler's ally. He was not going to join Hitler in his wars.

>>139662434
macedonians and southern slavs are th illyrian I2 y-dna haplogroup. they were the original inhabitants of europe and were pushed to near extinction by the indo european invasion of europe. a small group survived in the dinaric alps, became stronger through naturral selection and recolonized the balkans.

while the macedonians conquered greece, they did not colonize it extensively and greece remains semitic majority

>>139662713
Maybe. He still was the favourit philosopher of Einstein. And the pantheistic, materialistic/naturalistic and to use an overused word, nihilistic philosophy made it very likely that he would have supported communism. Like Einstein. Which then would have decided, if he was a threat for the nation and to at least be deported to Israel.

>>139662420
>turned around
Right into a gas chamber. The only thing they're doing is fucking things up for anyone with a brain who comes after them.

>>139662797
The jews certainly won the war, but I don't know what else they could have done. When the nazis came to power the jews controlled 20% of the german economy, much as they control 25% of the U.S. economy today. and in the same way they have flooded the culture with filth, pornography and debt. that is how they rule.

>>139662797
He's downfall was Britain, France and America all who sold out to the Jews to defeat Germany and sided with the worst scum on the planet The Soviet Union. Hitler was stopping the exact thing that happen to them. All you're sympathies are worthless are the end of the day, ruthlessness must be shown when needed otherwise you will die out.

>>139662749

Why do you take issue with Mosley's position only to deport Jews who are actually working against the interests of the West? Why do you insist on persecuting them to the last man, on deporting every single one of them, even the innocent ones? Why do people like you always run into these extremes that can only lead to your downfall?

>>139663057
Yea lmao. Ever since being redpilled I can't help but notice every stein and berg

>>139662969
(((Spinoza))). (((Einstein))) geee, i wonder why? could it be that jews are morally particularist?

>>139662877
He was not Hitlers ally just incredibly bias to him and then oh whats this he has come to power and joined the Axis? Surprise surprise.

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>>139662797
It's so tiresome. All of these mind bending just to find a way around the fact that you allied with Stalinism, destroyed its primary enemy, and, which is also a fact, created the liberal world order that is destroying us today.

>B-b-but Hitler was an extremist!
Yeah, but he sure as hell didn't fight with Stalin to hand half of Europe to communism, which also directly lead to the ethnic cleansing of Germans and their genocide, enable world jewry and global financial capitalism and bring about a world where white genocide is considered cool as can be!

>>139663167
at least the russians had enough cultural strength to purge the jews. thew same cannot be said for the western powers

>>139661099
After 30 seconds they would start questioning the propaganda being forced down there throats everyday to say the least. I've heard that speech before but only listened for 30 seconds this time. Was long enough to make your point though.

>>139663190
Because 99 percent of them will end up hurting you some how. Mosley was just making it look nice, I mean you think Mosley was going to have Multicultural paradise. See all Jews do in the west is hurt it. What right to they have exactly to be here?

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>>139663057
>>139663199
My favorits are pic related
>THEY LIVE

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>>139660548

>slowly gaining support

No it isn't.

Where the fuck do you live that the NBU is slowly gaining support?

Support Yorkshire First and give Yorkshire a devolutionary government and I will bring the first ever devolutionary Fascist government to the United Kingdom; this I promise.

Also, someone screenshot for proof in 10-20 years.

>>139663352

It is a tragedy that was brought about by many sides. Hitler's racial and religious persecution, which turned the world against him, and his promise-breaking and impatience; Jewish influence and power, for doing everything it could to push Britain towards a war; the British people for not being strong-minded enough to listen to Mosley.

Yeah, the guy was a fascist who founded the British Union of Fascists and looked at Mussolini's government is a role model for Britain. Whether he personally advocated for peace or war totally different to him being a hero. The guy supported a governmental organization that suppressed free speech and dissent against the government.

couldn't put it any better myself

>>139663352
the jews created communism because the tsar was holding them down. they tricked the rusian peasants into overthrowing the tsar and then dominated the early bolshevik government, it was not until stalin and later that the jews were purged from the soviet government. you cannot blame the russians for communism. it was a jewish creation

>>139663404
The goal turned out good in the end for them, they worked hand and hand together with Soviet institutions and KGB to inject cultural Marxism into western society and slowly they gained more more power back in the Soviet Union until they could collapse it.

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>>139663404
Not really. In fact many of those Judeo-Bolshevism memes came from the circumstance that the Jewish dominated NKVD exterminated millions of ethnic Russians. Stalin did kill a lot of the tribesman, but that was mostly due to a power struggle inside the party. See (((Beria))).

>>139663612
>t. liberal

>>139662817
Goddamn that soup strainer.

>>139662969

Pantheism is not a "nihilistic philosophy." Even many of the ancient philosophers believed in that. And I cannot think of a more materialist and nihilistic philosophy than that of Nazism and biological racism, which reduces the mind of man to his genes, condemns or praises men for their birth rather than their actions, and says that you can make a better society only by breeding one into existence.

>>139663608

Jewish people wanting to stop Hitler and get Britian to help them was somehow a bad thing? British appeasement led to Hitler's rise to power and if I'm not mistaken, it was Hitler who started the war and started a genocide against Jews; not Jewish people using British soldiers to kill Germans because Jews for some reason hate Germans and like war.

>>139663612
>The guy supported a governmental organization that suppressed free speech and dissent against the government.
just like now eh?

>>139663608
>Hitler's racial and religious persecution

That had nothing to do with it till after the war,

>promise-breaking and impatience
Communism had to be destroyed period. Britain and France should of seen this, instead they worked with the Jews to win some petty ego competition.

>push Britain towards a war

Tell me how did any of what Hitler do hurt Britain, all you had to do was side with him against the Soviet Union and the world would have been a better place.

>>139663756
stalin killed everyone in his way, including jews, he was a perfect psychopath. but post stalin, the soviets successfully purged the jews from most areas of power. that is why the (((neocons))) in the west gave up on marxism and became (((neocons)))

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>>139646875
>working class jews
Maybe under a certain, very loose definition of "working class"

>>139663612

This is untrue. Mosley was a strenuous advocate of freedom of speech his entire life; it was his opponents who denied it to him. They were the ones that broke up his meetings, threw him in an internment camp, and "no-platformed him" from speaking at universities and other institutions after the war. He did not see Mussolini as a model for Britain at all. Mosley devised an ingenious new Parliamentary machine for Britain whereby the Prime Minister would have absolute power, but there would still be elections every five years and the power of impeachment, hence creating the perfect compromise between dictatorship and democracy.

>>139664106
>advocate of freedom of speech

Until he gets power, i advocate free speech in public just as Hitler did, until you gain that power. Everybody works the same, it matters not how you gain power, but what you do with it.

>>139651807
This could have been your leader England, instead you got a fat, Alchoholic shithead.

>>139651807
Ford, from the automobile industry, Charles Lindbergh and his America First rallies when he tried to keep Americans out of European affairs and called out the Jews alongside FDR and his cabinet for trying to pull us into a war.

>>139663920

Appeasement was bad, but stopping appeasement was worse. We either should have attacked early, or kept the peace late. By 1939 attacking Germany was guaranteed to result in a World War that would result in tens of millions of deaths, because she had fully re-armed herself. And you are not correct to say that Hitler started the war "by a genocide against the Jews"; he started it by invading sovereign nations. Criminal actions, and foolish and despicable on his part, but simply not worth starting a World War over, especially since he had the aim of fighting Communism.

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>>139663887
First of all I did not equate pantheism to nihilism, but Spinoza and only used it as a tertiary term. Secondly: I absolutely can. You may have heared of it. It's called capitalism. Especially of the neo-liberal, finance dominated, (((anglo-saxon))) variation.

It eradicates ANY value of man and turns him into a superfluous commodity whose actual value - not what some sociology professor preaches you - is measured in Shekels.

Nation Socialism saw value in race, faith, nation, the people and the heroism of the individual. Globalist capitalism does not give a shit about any of this. And we see this again perfectly clear since 2015 and the agenda of people like (((György Schwarz, Peter Sutherland and so many characters like Bill Kristol))).

In fact: we're living at peak dehumanization, but people do not realize it, because they got a phone that rubs their balls and are not being sent to concentration camps. And they don't need to be. They are being sent to the TV and YouTube trends.

>>139664255

Mosley showed himself by the actions of his entire life to be a thoroughly decent man. He might have been either a Conservative or Labour Prime Minister had he slavishly toed the line, but he stuck always to his principles of doing what was best for the British people. He never went back on his word or his principles.

>>139664020
That's possible. It would also explain why so many commie Yids ended up in the West. The parents of Stasi Kahane fled to the west and so did our glorious founders of (((Goolag))) aswell

>>139664342
So much for being /pol/'s guy.

>>139660303
Have they taken this video down in the time since you posted it? Links broken for me.

>>139663612
Mosley advocated for absolute free speech in opposition to those on the left that tried to censor him and break up his meetings, and his fascist state would've held the government more accountable to the people, in exchange for the ability to act without the interference of party politics, financiers and foreign lobbyists. Read 100 Questions About Fascism. http://cnqzu.com/library/Solar%20General/100-questions-about-fascism-oswald-mosley.pdf

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>>139663920
>Jews for some reason hate Germans and like war.
That's true though.

>>139664536
Doing what is best the British people means you don't allow Communism all any sort of left wing parasites into your society and you especially don't give them a right to indoctrinate others into it.

>>139662969
I think Einstein liked him for his notions of a monistic, ordered universe than cannot be changed drastically, only known more or less accurately.

>>139663887
Man you REALLY do not understand the ideology you're arguing against. National Socialism argued in favor of hierarchy, descending from the ideal to the material, each thing in its proper place, including man in his proper environment. What is proper for one man may not be so for another.

>>139664755
I think nationalism always win if you have true free speech.

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>>139663612
>>139663920

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I'm actually pleasantly surprised a thread about Mosley has gotten so many replies

>>139664867
It might come to a better system then Communism, but it won't be the best. The best have to rise to the top and dominate the thoughts of others. Show them the truth.

>>139664625
No. That statement absolutely makes him /pol/'s guy. Especially in the current year.

>>139645336
Haha Americans are always stupid enough to think "muh war".

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>>139664989
But /pol/ literally plays idpol with jews. They don't present any arguments, just bring up that X figure has jewish ancestry.

>>139664470

How can you attribute value to race, faith, and nation, if these are simply things that you are born with and have no hand in making? What sort of nobility is there in that? To condemn or approve of a man for what he does not chose, rather than for what he does? It goes against everything that the best and wisest men in the West have stood for since the time of the ancient Greeks, and contravenes all history, which shows us that nations rise by their virtue, not their genes, and fall by their vices, not the impurity of their blood. That is a phenomenon which one may first observe in Egypt and in classical Greece, and then in dozens upon dozens of nations thereafter. It is right to preserve your people in the overwhelming majority, to be conscious of the difference between men and races, which God has obviously divided according to his plan; but wrong to hate or persecute a man simply because of his blood if he shows himself to be a patriotic, upstanding, and noble citizen. How much more illustrious and noble an idea it is to attribute the greatness of your nation to the freedom of will and virtuous disposition of the people, rather than to their mere biological genetic composition.

>>139664666
Try searching
Oswald Mosley - Europe Lives, And Marches On

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>>139663887
Also: https://www.savitridevi.org/PDF/lightning.pdf

The Reich was our last chance to turn around the kali yuga, to save old europe, to - metaphysically speaking - keep man alive. I am not denying that it was far from perfect. It may not have been our best chance, but it most definetely was our last chance.

Mosley was just an agent of influence on the Nazis and the Nazis. Great Britain and the Western countries created Hitler and fed the country to him. They did not think it was a crime, because these countries either did not exist before the First World War, or were completely or partially part of Germany / Austria. The plan of the Western powers was as follows: to incite Hitler to the USSR. But the Western powers made a fatal mistake - they created a powerful regime for their own money, which came out of obedience. An example from history is Mithridates Eupator, whom the Romans wanted to set on Persia, supported by senators and some of the triumvirs, but he became so strong that there was a real chance that his troops marched across Rome.
When it became clear to the British that Hitler, who they had raised, wanted to chop off their spheres of influence, they began to fumigate their own agents of influence, Tipo Mosley. Previously, the British supported Mosley, and then stupidly merged, that's all. But if Hitler did not encroach on Western spheres of influence, then no one would touch either Mosley or Hitler.

>>139665130
>Jews control media that promotes constant multiculturalism a
>Jews dominate foreign policy that is constantly pro Israel
>Jews own and control the financial and banking aspects of all western nations

"pure coincidence"

>>139665130
it's legitimate to point out the hypocrisy of jews who attack white nationalism but don't attack israel, especially if they're trying to get away with playing the 'fellow white people' card.

>>139645799
That isn't really true in the slightest
but there nothing really wrong with racial discrimination

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>>139665160
Because it does not matter what you believe or hold as a noble idea. Reality is what remains, if you stop believing in it. And genes are part of that reality. So is ethnicity and IQ. And it is by this foundation that it is no coincidence that the greatest works of art were created in Europe, that industrial revolution started in Europe, that modernity and its civilization were created in Europe. Demographics is destiny and so is biology. And National Socialism absolutely does give value to the actions of the individual and his heroism: unlike capitalism btw which just cares about his sucess in material goods and numbers.

Both have value. And it absolutey, ABSOLUTELY does not go against what the greatest minds of ancient have said. Read Marcus Aurelius for example: what is bad for the bee hive, cannot be good for the bee. It's the same logic as when Hitler said "Where would the individual be, if Germany were to go under?" And indeed, where was it. Reduced to prey of Soviets, to bomb targets of the allies, to a volk of rats in ruins.

But as I said: NatSoc was not perfect. MY ideal is the unity of heroism and volk. And NatSoc came much closer to it than our current world order.

>>139665160
Well put lad. Nationalism is important, that is the belief in a shared genetic lineage, culture, history and identity, but it isn't enough. There have to be ideals for people to strive for, a common good and meritocratic values that better the individual and by extension, better society. As things stand, our people have been degraded by consumerism, bourgeois individualism and nihilism. How can we say that a fat liberal with blue hair that sits on welfare watching MTV and badmouthing her country is more valuable than an Arab running a small business? That shared genetic lineage is significant in order to achieve unity and better the nation, and to prevent the subversion of the host nation, but it doesn't define an individual's worth.

>>139665160
The problem with your view is that
>"right to preserve your people in the overwhelming majority, to be conscious of the difference between men and races" has been flagrantly disregarded for so long. The "universal mix up" is occurring and excessive focus on race, placing it above virtue, is a survivalist reaction.

I think the problem with this radical traditionalist approach, which transcends even ethnic nationalism and is often erroneously likened to civic nationalism, is that it's fundamentally aristocratic. It presumes that it is only valued by a core elite and doesn't apply to the masses who are fundamentally incapable of transcending the material.

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>>139665665
Yes. But that's where it ends. And it's motivated by jealousy of Israel being able to get away with literal genocide.

>goyim want to have an ethnostate, but the chosen people won't let them ;_;

>>139665665
Israel is doomed. I regularly read Israeli political scientists, and they are alarmed by the influx of Arabs into their country. I do not remember the name of the political scientist, but he said that by 2070 Arabs with many children would simply become the majority in Israel and the country would repeat the path of South Africa.
By the way, those Jews you consider mainstream are banned in Israel. The sect of Chabad is officially banned in Israel, but is allowed in the US. Chabad - these are Jews with beards and in suits of gansters.

>>139665974

Yes, thank you for your kind words. Stopping all immigration and instituting a scheme of voluntary repatriation are clearly dire necessities, but the fact is that many non-white people are here now, it is an existential problem. We have to decide what we are going to do with the ones who will not leave, and it would be wrong to persecute indiscriminately simply on the basis of biology; to put the degenerate white above the noble non-white. We must have higher principles by which to abide than those of race alone.

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>>139666113
>Y-Y-You're just jealous of Israel!
>commie flag
OY VEY! Who could be behind these posts? :^)

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>>139666649
Israel is a fascist white supremacist ethnostate.

>>139665130
I don't see how it's illegitimate to point out a potential bias just as it's legitimate to note that a man speaking in favour of some such product has shares in the company of its manufacture.

People who assume every individual Jew is part of some hivemind of singular purpose is simply trying to reduce the irreducible complexity of human relations and interests. You can however deduce general biases and presume at the very least a loyalty to their own (as with any race or group) as traitors are necessarily an exception.

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>>139666346
In case you still haven't figured it out: putting merit above all else and ignore ethnic in-group preference, was what enabled the tribesmen to get into their positions in the first place. Plus a good deal of naivity and gullibility on the side of huwhites.

Geniuses can live above people and nation - at least they can pretend they do - but not the volk itself.

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>>139666868
I'm just summarizing what /pol/ keeps regurgitating at me. And quoting fucking Bakunin of all people.

Comrades, the voices of the dead battalions,
Of those who fell that Britain might be great,

Join in our song, for they still march in spirit with us,
And urge us on to gain the fascist (ethno) state!
(Repeat)

We're of their blood, and spirit of their spirit,
Sprung from that soil for whose dear sake they bled,

Against vested powers, Red Front, and massed ranks of reaction,
We lead the fight for freedom and for bread!
(Repeat)

The streets are still, the final struggle's ended;
Flushed with the fight, we proudly hail the dawn!

See over all the streets the fascist banners waving,
Triumphant standards of our race reborn!
(Repeat)

>>139665961

>Reality is what remains, if you stop believing in it. And genes are part of that reality. So is ethnicity and IQ.

Materialism will not become the case simply because you wish it to be so. Most of the greatest philosophers in the West, from the time of the ancient Greeks onward, have believed in the soul. Materialism is an alien philosophy to the West. I think it self-evident that man has a soul.

Poles, Greeks, and Italians had an average IQ in the 80s and 70s when they first entered America in the '20s. That is comparable with that of sub-Saharan Africans today.

The mixed-race children born to German women at the close of World War Two had IQs identical with those of the native population.

Much evidence clearly shows that IQ is not as fixed and clear-cut as the materialist would like to make it.

http://www.nytimes.com/1977/03/27/archives/new-light-on-black-iq.html?mcubz=0

If "Demographics is destiny" then why, as I have previously pointed out, did classic Greece tear itself to pieces? Mass immigration is more both a symptom and cause of decay than a cause alone. The demography in ancient Greece did not change: the people became more and more decadent and luxurious, and prone to be led by the demagogues, and by their ambition and their bloodthirstiness, until they were finally conquered, first by Macedon, then by Rome. I recommend Sir John Glubb's "Fate of Empires" to your perusal, a great man with an intellect of the first order who clearly perceived that "Virtue and Vice are destiny." He adopted three Middle-Eastern children, so that he clearly was not fanatically obsessed with biological racialism.

http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

National Socialism may praise heroism but it is hollow. If the heroism is simply a product of good genes, then the heroism was not chosen and so is not true heroism. It is degrading when you really think about it. And its answer would be to breed more heroes rather than for more people to choose heroism.

>>139667230
Please archive or screenshot

>http://nytimes com/1977/03/27/archives/new-light-on-black-iq.html?mcubz=0
https://unvis.it/www.nytimes.com/1977/03/27/archives/new-light-on-black-iq.html?mcubz=0

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>>139666825
Yes, yes: "fascist white supremacist ethnostate" for me, but not for thee, goy.

What's new? But that's not really true. Haredim, Mizrahi and also sephardic Jews with their birthrates and the Arabs in and out of the Gaza strip put Israel under dysgenic pressure aswell. That's why I think Netanyahu wants the Jews in Europe return to Israel: to get those Ashkenazi genes and at least slow down the Untermensch apocalypse.

Perfectly understandable.

>>139667039

I don't say that we should ignore preference for our own kind. I agree entirely with Mosley when he says that anybody who is not loyal to Britain rather than to another nation should be immediately deported. But a good and patriotic Jew who wishes to be British and for his children and children's children to be British is infinitely more my own kind than is a degenerate white Communist. Any further immigration into the country must be immediately stopped, but we have an existential problem in the immigrants who are already here, and we have to find an answer to the problem that is both rational and humane.

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>>139667360
Fuck Israel, and fuck ethnonationalism.

>>139666346
>We must have higher principles by which to abide than those of race alone.
This is where I'm not sure I agree. In times of severe and imminent existential threat swiftness and, by virtue of that, simplicity becomes important.

Sweeping decisions would seem to me to be a necessary precursor.

>>139667554
Worthless nigger.

>>139667230
Fate of Empires is not very enlightening honestly and the conclusions he draws, particularly reading his follow-up letters, are optimistic at best.

>>139667230
More like: the soul will not remain a reality, just because you wish it to be so. And materialism is at least as old as Ancient Greece.

And would you be so kind as not to council the most Jewish newspaper in the (((USA))) on questions of ethnicity and IQ? Yeah, that'd be great.

National Socialism also never praised heroism JUST as an outcome of race. And I have no idea how you would even believe this to be the case.

And if Glubb adopted three Middle Eastern children, that's explainable with the Oriental fetish of the 19th century. Also you didn't measure their IQ. Also: the fact that Glubb adopted three Middle Eastern children, does not make the average IQ of Middle Easterners disspear and their impact on crime rates, welfare consumption and even possibility for democracy. Even Molyneux, who is an ancap and shill for Churchill and the tribe, admits this.

You cannot have western civilization, without western people. You cannot have Europe without Europeans. And you cannot have Germany without Germans.

>>139667514
>But a good and patriotic Jew who wishes to be British and for his children and children's children to be British
Examples, please

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>>139667554
Cute!

>>139667514
>patriotic Jew who wishes to be British and for his children and children's children to be British
This is the kind of thing that is far too difficult to assess in any reasonable time frame. We have to redefine exactly what we mean by "British", because surely you agree the modern definition to be wholly insufficient, as well as what is seen as true patriotism and even what we see as "good". We've lost our philosophical, spiritual basis for any of these judgements. To assume people can just reacquire what's been so thoroughly deposed when it also requires them to abandon what's taken it's place, no matter how tenuous its position, seems utterly unreasonable.

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>>139668837
Well, the left and progressives will turn this againt you and say: "What even IS British? You can't define it! It never existed. It's an abstract fantasy of yours, an artificial construction of a past that never existed." Which, of course, is essentially equivalent to: "I burned your house down, now why are you defending ashes, you fool?!

>>139668115

The difference between you and me is this: I recognize the truthfulness of average IQ, that, say, the average Middle-Easterner or sub-saharan African has a very low one, and is more prone to criminality; but it is my belief that blacks or Middle-Easterners could rise up and create a great civilization if they willed to do it. I blame them for their actions, you, for their biology; I say that they make their own hell, you, that their hell is unchosen and irrevocable. It is a simple difference of a higher philosophical principle that exists between us: you believe that man is a mere machine, I, that he has an immortal and immaterial soul, and the freedom of the will to make his destiny. I make this argument from the precedent of history: that Egypt was once great and flourishing in every art and science, and then fell, while the Germans were mere barbarians; then Egypt fell, and Northern Europe rose in its turn.

You are correct that you cannot have Western Civilization without the people who make it. But I do not believe that an exception here or there who comes in from the outside will do any real harm. Mass immigration is the real foe. Get the numbers of Europeans back to ninety-five percent, deport all foreigners who betray us or work against our national interest, and there will be no trouble.

You misunderstand my point about heroism. I say that the materialist doctrine makes it proceed from the genes, not race--and therefore not heroism. Heroism can only really be heroism if it is a product of our free will. Otherwise you might as well praise a robot for heroism.

>>139644566
(((WWII))) was the death knell for White peoples, it put all the power in kike hands.

>>139645336
t. Failed klansman

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>>139644566
>tfw when Mosely wanted you to serve in his Cabinet in the 1930s

>>139657471
you mean druggy Hitler

>>139668837

If it is your belief that our moral death is certain and irrevocable then it is equally hopeless to expect that the people will ever try to reverse the current demographic trends. The moral rejuvenation of our people must come first. They must find the will to live, and to live for a higher purpose, before they can act upon that will. Otherwise like the Roman they will simply allow all and sundry to come into their nation because they simply do not care any more about anything but pleasure-seeking and their vices. To concentrate upon race alone is merely treating the symptom and not the disease.

>>139657471
Agreed about the vid except Oswald didn't realise that many parts of the world had had many different mixes of people for thousands of years such as India with Aryan white in the north and African dark in the south.

The issue was the impetus behind this golbalised version.

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>>139669413
You deny causality between biology and will, and you uplift it into an immaterial realm which cannot be proven or measured. We can, however, measure the behaviour and outcome of groups as a whole.
What's more we only have charicatures of Ancient history, in the case of Germanics it is even worse, because they didn't pass down their own history in primary sources, but even just reading Tacitus Germania the term "barbarians" is just an insult. As for Egypt their racial/ethnic make-up did change over time. Especially since the Arab invasion. Or, for the better, the Ptolomean leadership caste. I also do not deny influence of culture, like Islam for example. Exceptions to the rule very obviously exist, but they are rare and you cannot judge the rule by its exception. You cannot judge a people by its geniuses, which so many still love to do - even those who (pretend to) believe in universal racial equality.

At the end of the day, neither of us will want to deport or genocide all of the non-Europeans. But the age of nihilism, multi-culturalism, deconstructionism and absolute Jewish power must end, no matter what, or our people will not survive. And our actual problem today is not a too high chauvinism, racial or cultural, of Europeans, but that they would literally let their own people die or betray them for the feelings of muslims, for virtue signaling, or for ideology.

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>>139669785

The only real hope is that the rejuvenation begins with a sublime act of collective will, of defiance and of righteous anger. Recognition of what has been lost and what they've been left. I struggle to see any other mechanism by which people can achieve that spiritual awakening in time.

Historical precedent is of course no certain prediction of present and future but it all points to something very bleak. Is there any example of a people, a civilisation, pulling through from this point of decay? It seems terminal, though there's always the chance of a miracle.

>>139670663
>At the end of the day, neither of us will want to deport or genocide all of the non-Europeans. But the age of...
Arguably I suppose it's our defiance of the material that makes that the case; what reasonable objection can the nihilist make to the proposal of genocide?

>>139644566
Just google search "human perfection"

>>139644566
Just heard about him recently. Great man. Has he ever talked to Rudolf Hess?

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>>139672319
He can make none, because a nihilist wouldn't believe in any morality. And to be quite honest, or just realistic: my argument is deep down not a moral one either. I simply believe that Europe is too old, too soft, too comfortable and often too weak to commit a genocide. And unless you haven't been in a real situation of life and death, that envolves violence - perferably with "diversity" - which I have, it's all intellectual masturbation and lofty theory anyway.

AND as I said, I absolutely do believe that our fate was decided in 1945. Nobody will fight back. Not in Frankfurt, not in London, not in Paris, not in Brussels. Nowhere. We'll just fade out, dim and then be bought by China. There's nothing to live or die for, no gods, no ideals worth more than your life, no real virtues - equality and tolerance as ideals just increase the nihilism. Everything is in the process of dieing or already dead. And anyone who think he could or does defend western civilization or culture is ignoring the deep shame what it actually is: Katy Perry, iPhones and race mixing Holly Wood movies and vidya approved by Anita Sarkeesian.

There won't be a new Hume, or Beethoven, or Planck, or Newton, or Mozart, or Bach, or Nietzsche. It's all the last man and the boomer.

But most importantly: what's devouring us, are actually our own ideals and the foundations of our civilization, up to the first principles. The west eats itself. So trying to save it by returning to something or its roots, is like pouring gasoline on a burning fire.