abortion is murder and God says it's evil.

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>>139642445
Not an argument.

Who cares? It keeps the nigger population from growing. Fuck christcucks.

How about you go get raped by a 500 pound sperg and get pregnant, then tell me you don't want an abortion.

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>>139642754
I would never murder my own child. Period.

>>139642854
Lol sure you wouldn't. It's easy to be an armchair warrior now but you will never understand what it's like until you're actually raped. But hey if you were a chick and wanted to give birth to a retarded baby from the guy who raped you then go ahead.

>>139642620
If you really believe that, then go out and murder some "niggers" right here and now. Do it.

>>139643113
Murder is always wrong regardless of the circumstances.

What if I theoretically agreed to allow rape abortions. Would you agree to ban all other abortions then?

>>139643113
>not having morning after
>not being on birth control
>putting yourself into situations and places where you're likely to be

it's 100% the woman's fault. They don't want male protection they think it's sexist until they walk through a shitty neighborhood at night and get raped, like fucking duh.

>>139643162
what does this post even mean? are you mentally retarded?

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>>139643687
You just said that murdering "nigger" babies is alright, because they don't multiply as fast. So obviously you think it's okay to murder niggers. Then go out and murder some niggers if you think it's so great. Go ahead!

>>139643904
Murder is illegal you stupid fucking christcuck

>>139642291
>God says abortion is evil
Where?

>>139644094
Okay, then why is it okay to murder babies?

>>139644191
Womens rights or some bullshit like that. The fact is that abortion is a necessary evil.

>>139644127
"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb."

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart."

"Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us both within our mothers?"

"Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!"

"THOU SHALT NOT MURDER".

>>139642291
Abortion should be compulsory for niggers.

>>139643303
Just a hypothetical then. If you were a chick and you found out the baby was still barely past the embryo stage and when it was born it was going to be so retarded that it could not function without being on life support, would you abort it?

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I dont see the problem with abortion. It saves me tax dollars and it culls the herd of those who make poor choices. As long as it isnt tax payer funded have at it. You christ fags need to shut up and let the problem solve itself. Abortion is the only thing keeping the nigger population in check.

>>139644191
A fetus is not a person yet.

>>139643113
There are many families/couples looking to adopt an unwanted child, including special needs one.

Murder is murder, that goes for abortion as well.

>>139644472
>Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!
i like this one

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>>139642291
THEY KILL FUTURE GODLY NIGGERS!

>>139642291
Do you also cry if you stand on an insect?

>>139642291
If you really believe this, then why don't you go stop it. I think you are just into posting this crap to justify your fucked up collection of fetus porn.

>>139644884
Absolutely not. It doesn't matter how retarded the child is, abortion is still murder no matter what. You wouldn't walk up to a down's syndrome kid and kill him (or maybe you would).

>>139645090
Yeah, that one is good. And the Bible says that when a woman is pregnant, she is WITH CHILD. The baby is a CHILD.

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>>139645156
>You wouldn't walk up to a down's syndrome kid and kill him (or maybe you would).
Don't worry, killing you would be illegal.

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>>139644990
It's a HUMAN BEING. Life is PRECIOUS. Murder is WRONG.

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>>139642291
>>139642754
>>139643113
>>139643303
>>139644472

Guise, what if we put these undesired babies into artificial wombs? No one gets killed and people get to enjoy a childless life!!

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>>139645079
Yeah sure. Try and find somebody who wants to adopt this for me please.

>>139645156
I wouldn't kill anybody once they're born because that would be murder. A fetus is not a person.

>>139645348
When god killed king davids first kid, was he an abortionist too? Will god go to hell for it?

>>139645348
So never masturbate again. Every time you jizz you're killing millions of unborn children. The only way to stop this is by not jacking off.

>>139642291
Abortion sends babies to God faster. What if it's God's will that baby be aborted?

>>139645512
That's part of the solution, but a child deserves a father and mother, and a mother should not desert her child.

>>139645530
> a true christian

>>139645597
So is murdering someone who has not yet been born. Passing through a vagina is not an act of magic that grants "personhood" (whatever that means).

>>139642291
>abortion is murder

Thats why you should only abort retarded babies.

>>139645692
No, God says to be fruitful and multiply, not kill children.

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>>139645680
A sperm is not a child. Life begins at conception. It has a full human DNA and is a growing individual human being.

>>139645680
They still die. If you don't cum into a fresh vagina as often as it is phisically possible you are guilty of genocide.
Why do you think jesus advised people to cut off their balls?

>>139645863
You're freeing up the pucci to make more babies though.

>>139645739
>get raped by dindu
>have retarded fetus without consiousness aborted
>virgin christcuck tells you you are a murderer

Fucking kek

Abortion is murder only when aryan.

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>>139645910
So it's a self-defense claim, even though she is responsible for putting the baby their?

So I can kidnap you, chain you to my back yard, then kill your for trespassing?

Warped, evil, filthy logic.

>>139645985
Do you believe murder should be legal?

>>139645597
>a fetus is not a person
says who? scientists? so they can decide whenever someone is a person or not?
>>139645680
dumb argument, because then literally everyone that has children has committed murder because not every sperm makes it

>>139646093
Only when someone is hidding his flag. You should loose your personhood then.

>>139646093
No but i dont believe aborting cells is murder

>>139645530
Lmao, it looks like a punched lasagna

>>139643371
this is why you will die alone and kissless

>>139646093
Only against minorities

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>>139646182
Human beings are made up of cells. You don't get to decide based on arbitrary criteria when someone becomes a human being. You are a human being from conception. PERIOD.

>>139646093
>>139646053

Is praying for mass miscarigges a form of abortion?
Hosea 9:14
Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

Is cursing women to miscarry a form of abortion?

Numbers 5:21
Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

>>139642291

>>139645079
there are already too many kids without parents you mong, there are already too little people interested in adoption.

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>>139642291
.

>>139646481
>you dont get to decide
Oh but you do?

I have consiousness a fetus does not, thats the difference

Kings 15:16
Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.

The bible confirms: abortion is OK with God.

>>139643113
you are suggesting all babies from rapes are mentally ill

you are suggesting that abortion is a solution to rape, when it actually increases it, since rapist now have more reasons to rape, when the girls they rape can just easily get an abortion

>>139646623
God punishes the wicked. Ever heard of the flood? Ever heard of Sodom and Gomorra? Wanna have a Bible study? Then stop being an atheist and maybe I'll engage.

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>>139642291
Well, God's not real, but is a massive faggot t. anar-christ

>>139647010
Not yet born babies are wicked? Fucking rad.

>>139646850
>Oh but you do?
No I don't. That's why all human life deserves protection.

Ohhhhh so now you made up consciousness as a criteria? So we can murder people in a coma or passed out or in deep sleep? Just nonsense. You don't get to murder someone just because you think consciousness is a criteria. How about 120 IQ as a criteria?

>>139647143
You really need to read Genesis about the flood and Lot's escape from Sodom. Maybe you'll learn a thing or two about God's wrath.

>>139647172
Are you from the US per chance? If not for the valiant efforts of folks at planned parenthood you would have twice as many niggers as you do now. They are already killing half of them before buggers get born.

>>139646850
>I'm smarter so I should decide whether you have the right to life

>>139646481
Do you have a funeral when a pregnant woman miscarries?
Do you name the cluster of cells?

>>139642291
If you really believe that a fetus is a child, then why do you collect these images - doesn't this make you a pedo?

>>139645739
I know, but what are you gonna do? Found the Christian State of North and South America? You won't. If you want that to stop you'll have to have many Christians lobby society, but the hippie movement happened.

>>139647331
So god punishes fetuses for their wickedness? How do you know that aborted fetuses weren't wicked? You are pushing your nose into god's plan!

>>139647364
Do you eat meat?

>>139647552
He's BTFO'd thx pole

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>>139645927
>>Life begins at conception. It has a full human DNA and is a growing individual human being.

Most fetuses do not survive the first weeks / month after conception due to natural causes. It is a miscarriage the women barely notices (heavy period)
According to your logic, when that happens, a human being died at that moment. Authorities should be notified, funerals be held, etc. How often have you done this?

>>139647552
do you eat plants? do you wash your hands and kill millions of microbes?

the fuck outta here

>>139648183
Yes. I'm smarter than them and that justification is enough for me.
But you just implied that it isn't for you.
So i ask again.
Do you eat meat?

>>139642854
>ALL ABORTION IS LATE TERM ABORTION
>ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST
sense a trend? get a clue you retarded christcuck. embarassing.

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>>139645927
>life begins not where empirical or scientific research suggests, it begins when meme santa from cloud land waves his magic wand around a vagina the second sperm enters it
and you wonder why you're losing

>>139648327
yes. it's been processed already so it's not as if I could have saved whatever was killed.

im guessing you're going to draw out some analogy between eating meat and aborting human fetuses. that'll sure show me.

>>139648945
You more or less said that being smarter than something doesn't give you a right to kill it.
And then you basicly admit that you are contributing to the meat production by consuming it. You pay people who kill animals for their products. You aren't eating roadkill.

>>139642291
Prove there is a God, then we'll talk about what it considers evil seeing as evil is a point of view not a morally fixed thing, small minded fantasist.

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>>139642291

Abortion kills niggers. Abortion does not kill Christians. Therefore abortion is good. This is /pol/ where everyone wants niggers fucking dead. OP is either a Jew or a shitskin larping as Cuckstian.

We need abortion and every other tool for voluntary nigger and leftist population reduction.

Show me devout faithful Christians who abort! I defy you to do it.

OTOH plenty of niggers, spics and libtard whites who are racial poison do abort and nothing of value is lost.

It's not murder if the fetish violates the NAP.

>>139647391
Yes.

>>139647478
People perish as a punishment for the wickedness collectively. God said he'd destroy Sodom and Gomora even if 10 righteous people lived there. There were righteous people who perished in the flood.

>>139649805
Ohhhh, so you get to substitute life for a philosophical concept you just made up. Hey, let's invent one more criteria except "personhood". How about you need to be a person AND you need 125 IQ? AND then you need to be at least 30 years old... See where I'm going?

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>>139645530
So you're arguing that "mercy-abortions" are ok?
I agree.
Now don't use that to justify a sluts poor decisions and have the citizens subsidize her abortion with taxes. If planned parenthood has so much support it can stand without federal funding.

>>139650818
So your god is both allmighty and he is a spergy retard throwing punishment at random?
So i guess i don't need to worry about damnation. My chances or ending in heaven or hell are not related to anything i do.
Enjoy your eternal punishment, sucker!

>>139649428
i eat because i have to. it's not a question of meat production, or even of meat. it's a question of right and wrong, which animals don't have. so we have to be kind not to inflict evil on the world (evil means inflicting suffering and harm where it isn't needed).

you can step on a spider because it's annoying, but it's evil because you've inflicted unjust punishment.

so why should we determine if fetuses should die simply because we have the ability to pass such judgement? you don't want this certain life to occur for whatever reason, and so you end it prematurely. it's the same as saying "I'll save you and others from suffering by ending your life before you can suffer." unless you think you're being practical and saying "I'll end your life prematurely because it's inconvenient to me."

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>>139649805
"When it takes it's first breath"?!? Look, here is reality: once you have a fertilized egg that is genetically normal, barring some external event (maternal health crisis, abortion, etc.) you will end up with a living breathing person. From the point of conception onwards, you are dealing with life and that is a scientific fact, just as surely as a single cell organism is "alive".

Now, maybe that life is inconvenient, or that life belongs to an individual who will be born into suffering and poverty. Perhaps that life will be that of one of the less successful minority groups and be a net drag on society. Perhaps it is easier for us to allow or even encourage termination of that pregnancy so none of us, especially the "emancipated woman", has to deal with it. Hell, I don't want a ton of ghetto kids running around, so I recognize that negro abortions have probably been beneficial to our society (both for those communities and broader society).

But let's not bullshit ourselves, with abortion you are ending a human life prematurely, plain and simple, regardless of what you call it or how you justify it.

2+2=4

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>>139650624
>Abortion kills niggers. Abortion does not kill Christians.

>christianity is a race

>>139651155
>niggers
>real Christians

>>139642291
You're right
Only say to prevent unwanted pregnancy is celibacy and a godly life

>>139651063
>If planned parenthood has so much support it can stand without federal funding.
If american whites had any sense left you would be listening to sanger and started a charity to build a planed abortion clinic giving out abortions like candy in every hood in your country.

>What race is it?

>>139651261
are Americans usually this stupid?

>>139651122
>My chances or ending in heaven or hell are not related to anything i do.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have ever lasting life.

>>139642291
>>139642445
>>139645530

Abortion in the case of severe disability is absolutely okay in my view.

>>139651137
>i eat because i have to.
You don't have to eat meat.
You do becouse you enjoy it.
You are supporting killing living creatures for your convinience and then you don't have enough balls to even admit it.

>>139648618
That was the first man you chinese retard

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>>139642291
>abortion is murder and God says it's evil.
False. If your god is one of the Abrahamic gods, he says that some fetuses are evil. Psalm 58:3.

>>139643904
>murdering "nigger" babies is alright
Pretty sure that's against the law.

>>139651746
Exactly. That should be allowed.

In other cases, it's up for debate. Maybe it's a good thing that liberals are making sure their genes don't pass on.

>>139642854
>I would never murder my own child. Period.
I would

>>139644472
>"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart."
Whoa, hole up! Before? {{{ BEFORE?? }}} Does that mean pre-conception? Well that can only mean that true believers can never claim that life begins at conception if their gods know them BEFORE they are formed in the womb.

>>139642291
The majority of abortions kill nigger babies what's your problem?
Either we kill them in the womb or we let them get born and they get killed by police 18 years after disrupting classrooms and eating up a bunch of welfare food.

>>139651673
Exodus 22:22-25
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

>>139645348
>It's a HUMAN BEING.
False, it's human tissue, but not its own human being until it is born.

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>>139645676
>Will god go to hell for it?
Their gods are the source of their "objective" morality, so no, no one gets religious punished for murder, even if it's adolescents. They just ask for forgiveness and poof, the crime vanishes like puff of smoke.

>>139652500
Why can't christcucks meme?
That's facebook tier garbage.

>>139646481
>You don't get to decide based on arbitrary criteria when someone becomes a human being.
10,000 years of law, language, culture, tradition, history and science decided that life began at birth. So there's that.

>>139643162
>murder niggers
>life in jail
>support nigger abortion
>get lefty good boy points

>>139642291
He said that?

>>139642445
burn the coal pay the toll

>>139648618
The baby in the womb, while physically alive, is not the same as Adam was when he was created.

Google "Fall of Man".

>>139651636
it's called the food chain. we don't call wolves immoral because they kill and eat deer. they have to, and so do i because i'm an omnivore and require specific proteins from both plants and animals to maintain health. I hate the fact that living things need to die for me to live, but it's nature, and I won't starve myself in opposition to it because I cherish even my own life and the good I can do for those things around me.

but how about you confront the rest of the argument? another poster here put it good. "But let's not bullshit ourselves, with abortion you are ending a human life prematurely, plain and simple, regardless of what you call it or how you justify it."

>>139645100
That's fine with me.

reminder abortion kills millions of blacks a year.

>>139642291
Anybody who is pro abortion is a leftist. If you claim to be a right winger and you are pro abortion, you're a cuck.

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>>139651144
>just as surely as a single cell organism is "alive".

so eggs and sperm are alive tooo.

>>139645863
>No, God says to be fruitful and multiply, not kill children.
Your gods sent mother bears to kill 50 children for making fun of a bald guy. Because that's {{{ moral }}}.

>>139642445
That bitch has hips like a 10 year old boy so she blew up her tits to compensate. Shes a fucking retard.

>>139653376
The Bible says put children who beat their parents and curse their parents to death.

>>139645820
This

>>139651144
>Look, here is reality: once you have a fertilized egg that is genetically normal, barring some external event (maternal health crisis, abortion, etc.) you will end up with a living breathing person.
So why don't we wait until we actually have a living breathing person before we start claiming it's a living breathing person?

If you read the Bible and believe in any Abrahamic gods, there's just no way you could support anything but what your gods say - life equates to breath.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Breath/

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God is evil.... so who cares what he thinks.

>>139645597
Psalm 139:13 For you produced my kidneys;
You kept me screened off* in my mother’s womb.

>>139643371
>morning after pill isn't 100% effective
>some women can't be on birth control due to health concerns
>some people are even raped within their own home

Judging by your lack of knowledge of female reproductive health, I'd say you're a virgin.

>>139653769
>The Bible says put children who beat their parents and curse their parents to death.
If that's so objectively moral, why are there laws that prevent parents from doing this today?
Hint: Because it's not moral.

>>139654308
Because we don't live in a godly society and we reject God.

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>>139645348
..........I want off this planet. Can space x get me to the sun?

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>>139652096
shut up.

>>139645820
>Passing through a vagina is not an act of magic that grants "personhood" (whatever that means).
Biologists are fairly consistent on the point that birth is the most radical transformation during the gestation process. Before birth, the fetus is totally submerged in an amniotic sac, receiving oxygen and letting off carbon dioxide, receiving food and expelling waste only through the umbilical cord.

During birth, the bronchioles and alveoli in the lungs suddenly open. The arteries from the heart to the umbilical cord - the ductus venosus and hepatic portal vein suddenly close off. The previously dormant alimentary canal begins churning with the expectation of food by the mouth for the first time. The skin, accustomed to a 98 degree amniotic fluid, is exposed to room-temperature air for the first time.

The reason birth is the real miracle is that so many things are happening all at once and so many things can go wrong.

There are serious retards out their who think of birth as merely "passing through the vagina", but the truth is that was probably the last vagina they'll ever see in real life.

>>139643371

God you people are some of the most disgusting and despicable humans on this planet. I mean what the hell is wrong with you to say something like that?

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>>139656823
>but the truth is that was probably the last vagina they'll ever see in real life
It's not, child can't see on birth.

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>>139653907
Not that long ago, before CPR, stop breathing = death.
Therefore, first breath = beginning of life.

>>139645512
Brave New World is coming fast.

>>139642291
Abortion is the killing of a human being, but that alone doesn't make it wrong, because sometimes killing is fine. If the fetus has not yet attained consciousness, then it is no more amoral to kill it than it is to kill a braindead person. Consciousness and the ability to reason is the only thing that actually gives human life value. Its not valuable just because it has human DNA. It is also why it is ok to slaughter and eat lesser animals, they lack the reason of man. Its also why we pull the plug on braindead vegetables. Abortion is also necessary for the purposes of mercy killing, there is no reason to let a defective human being who will only suffer their entire lives, or will not even live for long after birth, to be born in the first place. Simply no reason. Aborting people who are defective mentally or physically is actually completely humane and empathetic. The only thing I agree with that pro-lifers/anti-abortionists say is that being a whore is no excuse for abortion. I agree with this entirely. This is the only argument against abortion that I accept. "I want to have tons of unprotected sex and avoid the consequences" is an utterly degenerate mindset and should be cracked down on to the fullest extent possible. But other than that if you oppose abortion for some specious reasons such as "its murder" without considering any nuances, you are just a brainlet and a retard incapable of rational thought.

>>139642291
god has nothing to do with it. you are killing a child. the only acceptable abortion is rape and if mother is at risk due to complications. should also be mandatory for any serious genetic defects/retards.

all abortion does is remove the responsibility and consequences for actions while degrading morals of all. the pill should be outlawed as well. those stories about drugging population to get them to accept migrants with oxytocin? same thing is in the pill for women. its one reason they are fucking retarded. if the whores knew they have high risk of pregnancy, theyll stop being complete fucking degenerate think with their cunt whores too. society will improve dramatically.

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>>139642291
that's a pic of a candy btw... morons...

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>>139657234
>child can't see on birth.
Eyes function, it's the brain that can't make sense of the signals yet or control the motor nerves to make them focus, move in unison, etc..

>>139645156
then you can pay extra taxes in order to support these financial burdens for the rest of their miserable lives, I want no part of it.

>>139657658
>I want to have tons of unprotected sex and avoid the consequences" is an utterly degenerate mindset
Then why do you do it? Oh that's right, you can't so you want to prevent everyone else from doing it. That's probably the basis for most morality.

>>139642291
no, only evil to abort white and asian babies, and maybe babies of isolated cultures with small populations. aborting nigs, muzzies and lateeeenoce that breed like frogs is the lord's work

> god says it's evil

you are not going to convince an atheist that way. i'm agnostic and against abortions as a means of contraceptive. only in a few cases should it be legal (rape, threat to mothers life, etc...)

why?

1.it's a traumatic experience to most women that can scar them for life. why not give it up for adoption instead?
2. to me life starts the second an embryo is formed. i don't know whether a soul exists or not but who am i to say it doesn't? you are effectively destryoing something with enormous potential.

to me it's murder because mothers kill their children out of convienience because they were too drunk to use a fucking condom.

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>>139657658
The problem with consciousness argument is that it does not begin at birth either. An infant is not conscious, but a toddler or a child is conscious. We do not remember our own births or the first several months of our lives.

Your logic leads to the conclusion that killing an unconscious infant before it reaches a certain age would be in the same category as killing an unconscious fetus. You can make that argument and use that logic, but you must apply it to both infant and fetus.

>>139657946
Why i always thought they dont open their eyes for several hours or more when they are born?

>>139657849

And this?
>>139642575
And this one?
>>139642854
This one too?
>>139645348

>>139658380
because of sesnitivity on light or something.

>>139642291
>God says it's evil

Yahweh is the biggest abortionist of all time.

If abortion didn't exist we would have even more trash humans fucking up this already shit world.

We already have a problem with overpopulation, in the US alone there would be an extra 1 million births per year. These aren't the offspring of intelligent people who are capable of looking after their child and growing it into a fully functioning adult, they are human trash and I am all for this voluntary eugenics.

Can you imagine if no one had any moral/religious or any other objections to abortion? Think of all the shit tier parents pumping out shit tier offspring that would voluntarily choose not to have children. The world would be a better place.

I think we should encourage abortion, it deals with the problem of having countries full of human trash right at the start, before they are even born.

>>139657658
>Abortion is the killing of a human bein
>>139657790
>you are killing a child.
>>139653114
>with abortion you are ending a human life

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
--Joseph Goebbels

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miscarriages are manslaughter right?
where is the outrage?

I think that abortion should be handled on a case by case basis. I don't believe that the argument of
>muh rape and incest
should be used as a bench mark for all cases. Furthermore I think that "life" begins during the 9th week of gestation and after that an abortion should only be considered if the mother of the child is facing health complications. I'm agnostic.

>>139659487
Oh. I think abortion should be a private matter between doctors who would provide such a service and only in the matter of health complications to the mother. Then and only then can an abortion be provided imo

>>139658229
What the fuck are you talking about nigger? Are you implying that I don't have tons of unprotected sex? Well, that's true. That would be, as I said, degenerate. Are you implying that I am just mad that everyone else is doing it and I want to restrict them? Well, that's false. You have the mentality of a fucking child who doesn't want to live by any rules, and your argument boils down to "you are le angry virign!!! fuck goddd!!!". I am an atheist, and the basis of all morality is only this question: "What is good for society?" This is the only question and criteria that drives morality. People having tons of unprotected and non-monogamous sex is objectively bad for society, therefore it is immoral. Plain and simple.

>>139658327
>An infant is not conscious
And infant is absolutely conscious you fucking retard. Its why newborns scream in pain when they are being circumcised.

>We do not remember our own births or the first several months of our lives.
This doesn't mean we weren't conscious, there isn't a single neurologist or biologist or scientist of any kind who deals with this topic who will say that newborn infants are not conscious. This isn't even up for debate. The fact that you chose to invent that ridiculous lie just for the sake of making your inane argument goes to show how far you will go to try and back up your irrational viewpoint.

>You can make that argument and use that logic, but you must apply it to both infant and fetus.
I don't apply it to fetuses at all stages of development. Only until the point that the fetus hasn't developed sufficient brain function. However for deformed and mentally disabled babies, it is better to abort it even at late stages of development rather than allow it to be born.

>>139659118
Strong argument there, brainlet.

>>139658436
>This one too?
>>139645348
An intact amniotic sac? No way that was an abortion. That looks a lot more like a miscarriage or a post-mortem cesarean.

dont know about chall but that looks delish! bbq that fucker

>>139653271
WTF I LOVE SHITSKINS AND RETARDS NOW!

Do you fags know why human age starts counting from birthday?

Because that's when a fetus becomes human.

Do you fags know why the state gives names to children after birth, not before?

Because fetus is not a human being and doesn't need name.

Fetus is unregistered entity, it's not a human. It's literally an alien, a fucking illegal one.

>>139659257
Fuck off leaf

Go join the retards who jack off thinking its upsetting Christians

Cunt. Totally fucking different. Abortion you force, miscarriages are not. If you cant tell the difference go back to grade school - you greasy, edgy fucklord

>>139659611
>You have the mentality of a fucking child
That's quite a projection you have there.

>who doesn't want to live by any rules,
Nobody want to live by your childish rules, do they?

>and your argument boils down to "you are le angry virign!!! fuck goddd!!!".
Your childish response proves I've made a fairly accurate assessment.

>People having tons of unprotected and non-monogamous sex is objectively bad for society, therefore it is immoral
Why? Sex is about human intimacy. It literally brings us closer together. We are our most natural selves when we give pleasure to each other in a corporeal way. I'm convinced that more sex would release some of the pent up anger and hostility certain political crowds have that they misdirect into hate, bigotry and violence.

I'm an atheist and I approve this message.

>>139660296
>Euphoria achieved

>>139645597
Neither are women.

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>>139646248

>>139660296
>Why? Sex is about human intimacy. It literally brings us closer together. We are our most natural selves when we give pleasure to each other in a corporeal way. I'm convinced that more sex would release some of the pent up anger and hostility certain political crowds have that they misdirect into hate, bigotry and violence.

Ye you either haven't had sex yet and in which case you're idolizing it like all your other high-school friends are, or, you think you're in love with someone and aren't capable of rationalizing why not shagging them is acceptable. Once you've had enough you'll understand, young'n.

>I'm an atheist
Doesn't automatically make you smart, just means you're a sheep from a different field.

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>>139659611
Whoa boy, chill your balls. Hug your dog or something.

If you make the argument that infants are conscious, then you have to assume that they're conscious in the womb the moment before they're born as well. If they're conscious at that moment, then they're likely conscious sometime before then.

And what about prematurely born infants that scream their heads off?

You'd have to scientifically prove exactly when consciousness happens, which hasn't been done, and likely won't be in the foreseeable future. Science can't even come to an agreement on what consciousness is, or how it's caused.

>>139659611
>being this self righteous

>I DO IT BECAUSE THE BABES NEED SAVING

just stop my man

There's a fucking process of how to give a proper Godly abortion and under what conditions doing so is sanctioned in the fucking Bible.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+5%3A11-31

You Christcucks don't even know what's in your own god damn texts. Please just shut the fuck up and never post again.

>>139642291
And why is murder wrong?

>>139660296
>That's quite a projection you have there.
Not an argument

>Nobody want to live by your childish rules, do they?
Not an argument

>Your childish response proves I've made a fairly accurate assessment.
Literally "no u" tier

>Why? Sex is about human intimacy. It literally brings us closer together. We are our most natural selves when we give pleasure to each other in a corporeal way. I'm convinced that more sex would release some of the pent up anger and hostility certain political crowds have that they misdirect into hate, bigotry and violence.
"Brings us together" is a meaningless fucking statement. There are thousands of ways in which you can "bring people together", that is a vague and arbitrary goal. As expected, you have no substantial argument. Monogamy is how you ensure stable two parent households, it is how you ensure stability for both sexes, having tons non-monogamous unprotected sex leads to nothing but two to three decades of degenerate hedonsim for every person, followed by broken homes, single mothers, useless and unproductive beta males, and purposeless alphas. You have a bluepilled understanding about the role of sex in society.

>>139660719
>Whoa boy, chill your balls. Hug your dog or something.
>le u mad bro meme

>If you make the argument that infants are conscious, then you have to assume that they're conscious in the womb the moment before they're born as well
Obviously.

>If they're conscious at that moment, then they're likely conscious sometime before then.
Deliberately vague and shitty argument. They are obviously not conscious at conception, so there is a spectrum of conscious awareness an/or moment of "switching on".

>And what about prematurely born infants that scream their heads off?
They are only premature in the sense that they haven't been carried to term and cannot survive outside the womb without help, that does not mean that they haven't passed the threshold were they are sufficiently conscious.

>>139660836
What the fuck are you talking about you absolute mong?

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Abortion should be legal otherwise women will illegally buy a dangerous abortion they can't legally get.

Guns should be legal otherwise people will illegally buy a dangerous gun they can't legally get.

>>139647391
Yes named, yes funeral.

Christians are fucking retards, without sbortions there would be even more niggers, why would you want that?

I only wish the spics weren't catholics, they breed like roaches.

>>139642291
>absolving women of consequences

/pol/ is full of cuck.s

>>139642291
Exactly.

>>139660708
>Ye you either haven't had sex yet
that's true

>you think you're in love with someone and aren't capable of rationalizing why not shagging them is acceptable.
Not shagging the girls I love would be totally unacceptable.

>Once you've had enough you'll understand, young'n.
I apparently haven't had enough yet. I'm nearly 50 but I keep myself fit. Thanks for the "advice", Grandpa.

>>139642291
So is not feeding the kids once they are born but probirthers do not give a shit about that

>>139642291
https://www.youtube.com/user/AominOrg

https://www.youtube.com/user/DrOakley1689

Good channels, hopefully they help people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97k4z6Qe7JM&t=18s

A true Gospel presentation. Hopefully those who haven't heard watch, and those who have can share this.

>>139661365
Abortions are not a right under the constitution you massive sperg.

>>139661702

>>you think you're in love with someone and aren't capable of rationalizing why not shagging them is acceptable.
>Not shagging the girls I love would be totally unacceptable.

Why? I'll tell you why! Because you're a slave to lesser human base instincts and to the mass media propaganda that encourages over active sex-drives in young males. You, friend, are nothing more than a weak minded sub-human.

>>Once you've had enough you'll understand, young'n.
>I apparently haven't had enough yet. I'm nearly 50 but I keep myself fit. Thanks for the "advice", Grandpa.

This along with
>>>139660708
>>Ye you either haven't had sex yet
>that's true
Not sure what to make, 50 and never had sex but still idolize it? You Christian aswell?

>>139661702
What's it like being an elder wizard, anon?

Come up with any cool spells recently?

>>139662104
We're on the same side here friendo.

>>139647391
Again, totally different. So you faggots know, in abortion the mother wants it dead and in miscarriage its generally mourned. Aside from the biology. How can you not get that?? As different as you can get. I hate edgy fags that try and blur the two to prove their pro choice because its the "same result" - having your spec ed pal pull your peter is the same thing as getting to ride Christina Hendricks in result, but I know which of the 2 is more likely to be how you lost your virginity... Fag

>>139661223
>having tons non-monogamous unprotected sex
I'm an atheist, I am free to choose protected sex.

And btw, I had tons of monogamous sex, but 3 marriages later, I discovered there has to be more than just great sex to sustain a relationship. Marriage is made cheap by serial monogamy and cheating, both of which I have given up.


>leads to nothing but two to three decades of degenerate hedonsim for every person,
If hedonism is so bad why do all the televangelists like Joel Osteen live in mansions? Why did you elect a hard-core hedonist like Trump for president? You worship hedonism.

If you think sex is just about getting pleased and not giving pleasure, then you're the definition of a hedonist.

You're describing the President and

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Can I just say what needs to be said here?

Abortion should be illegal for white people and mandatory for all non white people. There I said it.

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>>139642291
You know what would be cool? Genetically engineered miniature lolis.

>>139662379
>Because you're a slave to lesser human base instincts
No, I'm just not terrified of being a human being nor terrified of treating others like real human beings.

>and to the mass media propaganda
The one that tells me to buy Coca Cola? No, I don't drink that shit.

>that encourages over active sex-drives in young males.
Maybe it's been a really long time for you, but young males have had "active sex-drives" since the beginning of civilization.

Do you see commercials on TV and recognize the ways in which they use sex to pressure you into buying their products? That marketing pitch doesn't work very well on people having actual sex.

>>139642291
don't give a flying fuck what your "god" says

what's more important is what the woman wants, not some imaginary sky-idiot

>>139662546
>What's it like being an elder wizard, anon?
Buy a bike, ride it every day. You'll need an extra wardrobe of gym shorts, t-shirts, socks, etc. It's the easiest way to lose weight and attract girls half your age.

>>139642291
A squeeze makes it no no.

>>139662994
>I'm an atheist, I am free to choose protected sex.
Ok, not sure what your point is.

>And btw, I had tons of monogamous sex, but 3 marriages later, I discovered there has to be more than just great sex to sustain a relationship. Marriage is made cheap by serial monogamy and cheating, both of which I have given up.
I never said monogamy was only about sex, you seem to have weird reading comprehension issues. You had three failed marriages, there is something wrong with you undoubtedly, and all three of your ex wives too. Probably married whores, and/or you are a beta male so that seemed acceptable to you. Alpha fucks, beta bux. I am just assuming of course, I know nothing about you.

>If hedonism is so bad why do all the televangelists like Joel Osteen live in mansions?
Fucking brainlet mongoloid. I AM AN ATHEIST. I DONT WORSHIP SCAMMERS LIKE OSTEEN WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RETAERD BIBLE THUMPERS. Fucking hell, learn TO READ NIGGER.

>Why did you elect a hard-core hedonist like Trump for president?
First of all you have no way of knowing who I voted for, you just assumed I voted for trump. This time you were right. I did vote for trump, but not because I believed in anything he said. I don't take voting seriously, democracy is a farce. I only voted for him because it was funny, it was sure to piss off libtards, and because there was a tiny chance he might do what he claimed. I didnt do it because I actually place faith in anyone running for office.

>If you think sex is just about getting pleased and not giving pleasure, then you're the definition of a hedonist.
What are you talking about? What does this have to do with anything I have said up to this point? Do you just like spouting off nonsense?

Also you claimed to be a fifty year old virgin. You were married THREE TIMES and are still a virgin? You are either a troll or the most pathetic excuse for a male I have ever heard of. I would almost feel bad for you if I didn't find you utterly bizarre.

>>139664249
>You had three failed marriages, there is something wrong with you undoubtedly, and all three of your ex wives too.
That's what makes us human, sport. We aren't perfect. And those of you pretending to be aren't fooling people like us. But I'm still great friends with my ex's, we even have "date nights" but we recognized that we could not be the source of each other's happiness.

My first wife was a girl I met in college. She was tall, good looking and wanted children right away. I didn't so that ended after 8 years. 2nd wife was 15 years younger, wanted to go out every night, I was mid thirties by then and not hitting the bars like I used to. Most recent wife was former model, but slightly mental. I didn't give her enough attention. I wasn't very good at these situations. It's OK, though. We try.

>I DONT WORSHIP SCAMMERS LIKE OSTEEN
But they are part of our popular culture who teach you that sending THEM money is a ticket to YOUR paradise at the expense of whom? Your family?

>Also you claimed to be a fifty year old virgin.
No, I was being sarcastic, but it went right over your odd-shaped head.

>>139642445
Is he adopted or did dude get cucked?

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>>139660008
>Abortion you force, miscarriages are not

Therefore manslaughter not murder.
OTOH, miscarriages can be forced too.

>>139662801
>Again, totally different. So you faggots know, in abortion the mother wants it dead and in miscarriage its generally mourned.

So you think "it" is alive?
Freudian slip?

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>>139644094
Wrong. Abortion is 100% legal in the USA.

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>>139644094
>Murder is illegal you stupid fucking christcuck
>>139666053
>Wrong. Abortion is 100% legal in the USA.

Therefore, Abortion is not Murder.

>>139651367
That took longer than it should have for someone to say it....

>>139651063
whats cheaper a subsidised abortion or welfare payments until the kids 18?

>>139647984
>toothpaste being this retarded
I'm not fucking surprised

>>139646996
>The bible confirms: abortion is OK with God.
God performs abortions all the time, they are called mis carriages.

>>139647172
>You don't get to murder someone just because you think consciousness is a criteria. How about 120 IQ as a criteria?

A fetus is not a someone. And you're line of thinking is kind of backwards. Abortion being legal does not make abortion morally ok. It just means that it is a women's decision, since even if it was illegal, it would not stop abortions, it would just increase more deaths...

so - if you want to prevent abortion, the law is the dumbest way to approach it.

IF you want to prevent abortions, raise money to pay people to carry their children to full term, and then give them up for adoption.

you will prevent far more that way than the way you're trying to.

>>139642291
The churches didn't give a fuck about abortion until the 1960s when the right wing started using it as a club to get single issue voters on their sides. Also your KJV bible was ordered by a known homosexual so people would fuck off and let him chill with his boyfriend.

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>>139651122
>Polish and doesn't believe in God
How to spot an underage in under 2 seconds

>>139647391
my familly had funeral for the miscarried childrens

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Why is not wanting to kill babies controversial??

If a pregnant woman in murdered, there are 2 murder charges.

>>139642291
You don't need a fairy in the sky to tell you it's wrong. You've lost any sense of "humanity" if you abort a child. The only people who are willing to argue that it is okay is the one trying to justify the action meaning the majority of them probably have had an abortion or are close to someone who has had an abortion.

We should've aborted all the millennial babies!
What where we thinking...

Yeah but what if it's going to be retard?

>>139642291
don't bother with these psychos. theyll justify anything for a few seconds of vaginal pleasure. and i say vaginal because most of the people advocating for sucking that clump of cells out their cunt are women

>i just wanna take chads hot steamy load with no consequences XD

There numerous disabilities where it is literally inhumane and pretty damn unrealistic to expect the parents to provide care for someone who is nothing more than an angry meat puppet

Eugenics are the future

What if it's between saving the mom and the kid?

>>139645680
>>139645933
Waiting for a shitty rebuttal, you fucking retard

>>139644094
this

>>139645102
probably

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>>139642291

>>139645156
If a childs own mother doesnt want it to born, than I sure as hell dont want it to be born

>>139645156
I would if it was legal.
The law is all that is stopping me

>>139642291
You can raise the nigger babies yourself.

>>139642291
1. Some killing is justified.

2. Not everyone cares what your God thinks.

>>139642291
>using skydaddy as justification for anything
>not giving any reasons to support your claim
Personaly i agree with your claim that "abortion is murder" but now i have to call you a faggot and tell you to get the fuck off my board you piece of shit.

>>139645927
>Life begins at conception
According to what? If you can say life begins at conception i can say life begins at the creation of sperm

>>139681681
Sounds like an infection passed on by fucking around, rather than abortion. "Belly swells and thighs rot."
regardless, thats from the Torah and we know Jews are OK with abortion. they push it in every society they infest.

>>139642291
Honestly the type of people who get abortions are the people I don't want to breed anyway.

>>139664050
How was your first week of middle school, champ

>>139682026
According to the biological definition of life, you fucking mongoloid

>>139657134
It offends your feels, but does it lie about the reals?
Even though morning after medication doesnt guarantee there's no baby, are you gonna be a mong and do your best to guarantee there will be a baby as a result from rape?

Women want their independence, and their complete safety. They want to have their cake, and eat it too.
Ain't happening. Wake the fuck up.

>>139645512
How did you think they abort the pregnancy?
Past the first trimester the procedure is very clear and simple.
>pry open the vagina so tools can be pushed through to the womb
>take knife and make incision in the baby's neck, instantly killing it
>apply medical vacuum cleaner to incision to suck out all the contents of the body
>pull out the remnants with tools

The fact that late-term abortions are bonafide murder is what's such a fucking pain to convey, because most people don't even remotely consider the actions involved and don't believe it when you tell them how it's done.

>>139642445
what did she stuff her bra with, an entire pillow?

>>139683459
She stuffed it full of Cheshire.

>>139642291
women can remove anything form their body if they want, that is their right

full stop

>>139642291
I want to eat it.

>>139683550
I can remove you from my planet if I want, that is my right.

Full stop indeed.

>>139648608
>ALL JEWS ARE EVIL
Oh I sure do!

>>139683868
try it bitch, see what happens

>>139684221
Now imagine you're the baby saying "try it bitch, see what happens"
Absolutely nothing would happen, except the baby dies, the woman gets remorseful and the kikes gets paid.
Three reasons not to abort right there, and only two of them are morally repugnant.

>>139684454
>baby dies

first off it's not a baby, it's a fetus
second it can't stay where it's not wanted, too bad

If my land lord wants me to leave his house then I have to go, maybe I can't get another place to live, maybe Ill die on the street, too bad it's his place I can't stay

>>139684783
If the land lord evicts you, all you have to do is secure a new roof over your head. Food and drinks were already your responsibility.
If you get aborted, the very act of aborting you kills you. No chance for survival. That's why it's called abortion, not premature childbirth.

>>139685103
well securing a "place to live" is the fetus' problem not the woman's

it's her body and if she doesn't want it there that's up to her, no one is obligated to be the host to another organism

>>139685335
The womb is the only place where the fetus can live. That's why it lives there.
If she does not want to become pregnant, it's her responsibility not to get pregnant in the first place.
Failing that does not give her the right to defer that responsibility.

It's all just abstracts to you, isn't it?
Just a parasite, not human
Just a fetus, not a baby
All very rational, logarithmic and completely devoid of morality.

Abortion is murder. Get used to it.

>>139685887
your rights don't change if you have sex

you can remove anything from your body if you don't want it there

end of story

>>139686058
The baby has the God-given right to develop and be born.
You cannot deny that right, for to arbitrarily revoke it implies the complete lack of value in the right in the first place.

You keep mentioning "the right to remove anything from your body".
Who gives people that right? What gives people that right?
I don't have the right to remove people from my society.
I don't have the right to remove you from the planet.
Nobody has the right to proactively kill.

Removing the baby from the body, kills the baby.
Ergo the act of removing him/her, is murder.
End of story.

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>>139645100
keks

>>139686939
>The baby has the God-given right to develop and be born
wrong, it's not a baby and it has no rights until it is born

>Who gives people that right? What gives people that right?
it is called bodily autonomy, it is a human right, everyone has this right, men and women

>remove me from society and/or planet
well the planet and society don't solely belong to you they belong to everyone, your body is different it is your's and your's alone

removing a fetus is just that, an act of removal, if the fetus can't survive too bad, it can't stay if not wanted

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>>139642291
murder is a point of view and God doesn't exist

see? I can meme too. fucking mark.

>>139687560
Well, here's to hoping you find a girl who can live with such catastrophic contempt for humanity.