>you wake up in a communist society

>birds in trees
but who is feeding them if nobody has more food than they need?

>>139621845
>>its 9 AM and its time to go to work
>>if you want to.
>>you decide you will go to work today.
that right there is your problem. good luck with people "voluntarily" running society
today I'll "voluntarily" perform my job as a garbageman while the other guy "voluntarily" goes out and fixes the power lines

>>139621845
I'm antisocial though so it sounds creepy to me.

>>139622277
>implying the garbageman has no garbage
>implying the electrician's power didn't go out with everyone elses

are you saying I won't fix your computer because nobody is going to pay me? well... that's what natural resources are for. and kne-epads...

>>139622277
>labor didn't exist before the industrial revolution
>the capitalist mode of production is the only possible mode of production
>money is the only motivation to contribute to society

???

>>139621845
You fail to realize that this would only work in a small very unified society. Jamal will not go into the grocery store and only take his allocated portions, he will rob the place like he always does.

Somebody actually typed that out and I actually read it. Just awful

>>139623126
If food is so scarce that allocated portions exist, involuntary rationing is also required
If food is not scarce, there are no allocated portions and Jamal can take what he wants
I don't see the problem

>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society
>The rain pours through your window of your grotty commieblock single room
>its 5 AM and its time to go to work
>whether you want to or not
>you decide you will go to work today at the barrel of an AK-47.
>you don't make yourself some scrambled eggs because the food had been redistributed and are frogmarched out the door
>the tractor factory you work in is only a few miles from your house so you have to to walk because public transport of fucked.
>you get to your job and a few of your co workers greet you with miserable faces
>you get to work immediately or you will be shot
>You pull out some weeds from a nearby alley for use as food later on and hope the commissars don't notice.
>18 hours pass as you work without a horrendous industrial accident happening to you today
>you wipe your brow and your guards decide thats enough for today
>you wave good bye to your co workers, they look sullen and downtrodden.
>its time for lunch so you walk 7 miles to the grocery building
>you walk inside and are given what the state thinks you need for lunch
>you grab some bread and cheese and make yourself a sandwich, or you would if there were any bread and cheese on the shelves. You settle for your weeds you picked earlier.
>you don't pay for it because money has been redistributed
>you walk out of the grocery building and to the dead park.
>you sit at a table and watch the birds in the trees coughing from the industrial waste being pumped into the atmosphere
>you get back on the trudge back to your single room commieblock.
>a man sits down next to you
>he has a gray beard and a wears clothes that looks old fashioned by todays standards
>suddenly you realize who it is
>its marx
>he places a parental hand on your shold

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>>139621845
>goods and services just magically appear because reasons
>but you can choose to do things yourself so you don't have to worry about your guilty conscience

I could fantasize about living in a utopia too. Shame it only works in your autistic head

>>139621845
>woke up in communist utopia
>gone to sleep right before the 1000 jähriges Reich

>>139621845
This is not how communism works. Its just how they get naive kids to believe in the idea.
Reality is
>You wake up in a communist society
>The sun shines on your concrete bloc and the sun pierces straight through your paper thin curtains
>Its 6AM And its time to go to work
>You have to go
>Only 1 small piece of toast for breakfast
>You go to work today
>The factory you work in is an hours walk away
>You wait for the bus but it never arrives, its broken down
>You get to work late and recieve a written warning
>You work for 12 hours
>You wipe your brow drained and hungry
>You get the bus back home as its working again
>Open cupboard and get can of beans
>Pour beans into pan and cook on hob
>Gas stops as you've used your allowence of gas this week
>Eat cold beans and then pass out from hunger and tiredness
I'd rather be a Jew in Nazi germany than a normie in CommieTown

>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society
>the obnoxious fumes of industrial waste creep in through your shanty front door
>it's 9 AM and it's time to go to work
>the leader of the local party section increased work time to 10 hours a day because we need to keep up with Western Imperialists
>you approach your kitchen and open all drawers in search of food, but remember that your rations for the week already ran out. Your kids are growing up and need food
>the industrial complex your work in is only a few blocks away from your house, so you will walk to work. Not that you have any personal vehicle to drive there.
>you get to your job and your depressed coworkers don't even watch you
>You immediately get to work, since your work shift is on and the local detachment of state security forces don't tolerate laziness
>You start shoving coal in the furnaces
>You wipe your brown and cough up a lung
>after what seems to be an eternity, a bell rings: your workshift is over
>It's time for dinner, so you walk the distance to the nearest food distribution center
>They seem to have clamped down even more on rationing, since there's nearly a on kilometer line of wait.
>you give up and start walking back home
>exhausted, you decide to catch an old and smelly public tram
>a man sits down next to you
>he has a gray beard and a wears clothes that looks old fashioned by todays standards
>suddenly you realize who it is
>its marx
>he places a parental hand on your sholder and says
>"Goddamnit, I really fucked up, didn't I? Sorry dude"

>>139622277
This is why the artists love communism. They think they can just paint all day and then get free item tickets. What they don't realize is that everyone would want to do those easy, fun meaningless jobs, and anyone stuck with a hard meaningful job would stop showing up to work. Then society would collapse.

> you walk out onto the street
> people are milling around happily
> buildings are no longer designed with imposing security features
> violence has all but disappeared thanks to sudden material abundance
> people are no longer forced to purchase a beverage just to sit down and talk in public places

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>>139621845
>>The sun shines in your window of your medium sized house
Sure thing buddy

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>>139621845
>wake up for real
>it's venezuela
>breakfast is spider web and moldy wood
>wish marx never existed

>>139623858

> the architecture has been redesigned to be more accommodating for pedestrians
> seating areas seem widely available
> people sit and talk amongst themselves
> even strangers seem capable of breaking into conversation easily
> you feel as if you've wandered into a massive public museum or some other noncommercial public space
> but even this comparison doesn't feel quite right
> you realize you've never been to a place quite like this
> you decide to take the train to your old home
> you're confused as you reach the train station and find the turnstiles have disappeared
> you walk in unobstructed

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>>139622161
>he motions for the commissar to approach us
>the commissar smashes my teeth in with the butt of his kalashnikov
>i swallow the jagged shards of my former incisors
>the commissar kicks me in the small of my back and motions toward the railcars exit
>i struggle to my feet and stumble out onto the platform
>KNEEL DISSIDENT SCUM!!
>the commissars voice rattles in my ears as the train let's a hiss and begins chugging away
>ANY LAST WORDS YOU FILTHY CAPITALIST!?
>it is my time
>i slowly turn my head toward the train and look where I was sitting
>i see him
>we lock eyes
>without breaking eye contact and with paper dry lungs, i whisper...
>sage goes in all fields.

>>139623926

> the screen indicates that your train should be there shortly
> you assume that you've arrived just on time
> you then realize that the track has been expanded massively
> automated maglev trains glide silently in and out of the station every thirty seconds
> no advertisements are pasted on the station's walls
> these have been replaced with noticeboards informing commuters of gatherings or work opportunities
> commuters occupy themselves with tablet-style devices
> unlike in the capitalist era they do not appear to be distracting themselves with facebook or games
> some seem to be reading complex scientific theories and philosophical treatises
> unburdened by mind-numbing hours of work they have the time and energy to expand their minds
> others seem to be watching live-feeds of independently produced entertainment
> total automation has apparently allowed people to spend their time more creatively
> you ask fellow commuter about recent events
> you ask about unemployment
> you ask about financial collapse
> you ask about austerity
> you ask about the wars in the Middle East
> you ask about the possibility of inter-imperial conflict
> he smiles wisely
> "Those are all things of the past now, comrade"
> he speaks with a thick German accent
> his snowy white beard makes him look like a professional Santa Claus
> his fashion sense seems anachronistic in this futuristic era
> it is then you realize who it is
> it's Marx
> you begin to sob as you feel a burden lift from your body
> a weight disappears that you didn't even know was there
> Marx places a paternal hand on your shoulder and then draws you into a loving embrace
> "I told you it was inevitable, comrade"

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>>139623401
10/10 accurate description of communism

>>139622832
Not necessarily money, but getting something in return. I'd still argue that most people won't go. What do they get out of it? How are they convinced that society gets more from them working in the greenhouse than say painting?

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>>139621845
SOON COMRADES, SOON
*tears up inside*

>>139621845
>>a man sits down next to you
>>he has a gray beard and a wears clothes that looks old fashioned by todays standards
>>suddenly you realize who it is
>>its marx
>>he places a parental hand on your sholder and says
>>"I told you it was inevitable comrade."
>you are then executed as an enemy of the state.

>>139621845
You know these kinds of posts on 4chan used to end with some kind of a twist back in 2006.

>>139622832
Yeah, it's usually goods or coercion you retarded fucking faggot.

>>139621845
>delusional idiots thinking things will magically change for the better if only X were to happen

>>139622771
Are you implying the garbageman will pick yo garbage just because there's still garbage? What's his insentive to do such a shitty job instead of painting?
Are you implying payment for services is a concept invented during the industrial revolution? That's always been a thing since society formed.

> You are escorted to the basement room.
> You walk through the door and enter.
> You look down and see the wet sawdust scattered on the floor.
> You look at the far wall and see the open scuttle window with a skid ramp extending down into the room.
> You hear the footsteps behind you, but before you can turn....
.

I kill myself.

>>139624454
Are you implying coercion doesn't exist in capitalism
Are you implying goods that the people are only produced in capitalism
Are you implying you even know the definition of capitalism
Are you implying that you aren't a shameless capitalist cock sucking shill?

>>139623858
What the fuck is wrong with you communists. More razor wire was made in communist russia than anywhere ever at the time

>>139624294
>read the first letter in every paragraph

ITS JUST FUCKIN GIBBERISh

>>139622832
Labor always existed, it was known as hunting and gathering.

>>139621845
Without money there's no profit/losses
Without profit/losses there's no market clearing, no signals that consumers are receiving something they value
Without signals that consumers are receiving something of value, nobody knows what to produce. Nobody knows which opportunity costs are worth taking.
One of the first things Lenin's regime did was abolish money/prices. It was terrible. They had to revert it after profound suffering.
You need to go outside more. Work a real job. Talk to real people.

>>139623401
10/10

>>139621845
>if you want to.
Kek
Please tell me.how communism.does not create lazyness

>>139625160
not really
what
There are multiple definitions.
Are you implying you aren't trying to bait me?

>wake up at one room commieblock
>commissars and soldiers break down the door
>send you and your family to gulag
>they kill your brother and force your family to drink his blood or they will kill you
>family agrees
>get killed anyway
yeah family history lessons are fun about communism, it totally works guys

>>139623351
Nice fantasy world youve created in your head.

>>139621845
>argumentum ad absurdum

>>139623732
This.
I never seen a blue collar communist. Plenty of intellectuals, artists, poets, musicians all from the upper middle class. I always wondered why it's always rich kids attracted to Communism. But it's not that they care about the working class but they want to make a living in what they love doing instead of working in dad's business

>>139621845
>communist society
>medium sized house
The cheka/KGB kicks your door down and drags you away due to you having said house, you are a kulak/bourgeoisie. You are never heard from again.

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>>139621845
>I wake up in a communist society
>immediately take whatever weapon there is
>kill as many commies as possible
>die a martyr

>>139621845
All you Utopian commie faggots need to die in a fire. Fuck off.
Remember kids, when encountering extreme faggotry, sage goes in the options box!

>>139621845
>he thinks he gets to have any choice
AhahHAahHA
You go to gulag citizen.

>>139621845
>you decide you will go to work today

So could I just choose to never work while you guys support me?

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>>139622771

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>>139626652
...
...
...HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!

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>>139626329
>Hardworking honest people notice the savagery and violence of capitalists
>Out of fear the communists kill all the cappies
>Capitalism goes into the dustbin of history like feudalism and slaving empires
Good plan

>>139626470
Gulag only existed for criminals and counter revolutionaries. In fact, the US has more people in prison than the USSR had. Now remove that flag and off to the gulag with you.

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>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society
>The sun shines in your window of your medium sized house
>its 9 AM and its time to go to work
>if you want to

>if you want to

Please tell me this is bait.

>>139626840
US also has a much larger population and most criminals don't die in prison here.
You're a cheeky comrade. I hope you go outside soon and see what the world is really like.
After all, do you really believe society will be run better with a totalitarian state breathing down your neck and making sure you get only what you need all the time? Don't be so silly!

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>This kills the capitalism

>>139624294
>and then my mama said your moving to L A with your uncle

>>139625160
voluntary system
incoherent statement/question
shifting the burden
nice try, faggot; you're the one sucking cock

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>>139626840
Away with you, Satan!

>>139627114
Higher percentage of prisoners to people. Prison is profitable don't you know. Gulag mortality rates were only high during WW2, you know the most destructive war in history, afterwards they went down. Meanwhile if you go to a US prison, you'll probably get raped and killed.

>>139627142
You know what doesn't kill the communist? Food.

>you wake up in a communist society

>fugg

>>139627249
Communism is more Christian than Capitalism. Where my ChristComs at?

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>>139627326
>this is what tankies actually believe

>>139627142
>so he pays you 75$ a day to tell him to work faster?
>no, he pays me 75$ a day to organize materials and support for him to continue working

>>139627142
>implying anyone is forcing the employee to be there

>>139621845
>wake up late
>walk outside to forced labor factories
>get shot in the back of the head for being late
>family now belongs to the state and will suffer the same fate
>thousands of bloodlines ended by some communist lunacy dictatorship
Fuck communism

>>139621845
Delusions. Pure and utter delusions. It's actually really scary.
No wonder communists and antifa are so violent and generally unstable.

>>139623401
Sounds more like capitalist society for everyone who's not in the ruling or administrative class.

>wake up in a democratic nation
>shitpost on /pol/

Fuck you commies, you're terribad like your counterpart

>>139627195
Back then that's what Marx would have said at the end of OP's post

>>139627326
So then we should probably take prison out of the hands of the state and introduce some healthy competition.
Sounds like socialization of the justice system is the real problem here :^)

You say in communist society you choose to work, when in actuality you're obligated to! In fact, you're given much more discretion in a capitalist society.
In USSR if you don't work you're put to death or prison or hard labor camp. In USA (not as capitalist as I'd like but it works) the worst that could happen is you get fired.
Silly comrade you need to go outside more. Work a real job. And better yet, talk to someone who lived in Soviet Ukraine.

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>>139621845
>(1)

>>139625160
You have your own retarded fuckboi board on cripchan, go back. You dipshit teenagers aren't going to convince anyone here to support your dead philosophy.

>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society
>The sun shines in your window of your medium sized house, you go to your personal home shrine and thank dear leader for making it rise
>it's 6 AM and it's time to go to work
>if you want to, but if you don't want to you're going to get "fired"
>you make yourself scrambled rats and walk out the door
>the green house you work in is a few blocks from your house, but you don't have a car so you don't have a choice
>you get to your job and your coworkers timidly salute you
>you talk for a little, looking over your shoulder then get back to the grueling work
>you water all of the plants and pull all of the weeds and somehow it's still not enough
>many hours pass and you're not even close to done
>it's the fault of some asshole called Lysenko, you used to do it just fine but then he came along and told dear leader we should be doing it differently
>you collapse, get carried outside by fellow coworkers
>you're hungry and it's time for lunch but guess what? Famine, thanks Lysenko and bureaucracy
>you'd pray if you could, but all religion is banned
>you get inside the building, ask everyone how their rat hunting would go
>grab a rat, proceed to put it in your mouth
>everyone looks at you aghast, then suddenly you realize
>"glory to the dear leader, thanks dear leader"
>as you glomp down on the food, a man sits next to you
>suddenly you realize who it is
>It's marx
>he places a hand on your shoulder and says:
>"I'm sorry bud, but this is not REAL socialism"

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>>139621845
Cringe. Unless it is supposed to be ironic. You never know commies are batshit insane

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>>139627346
Yes, food doesn't kill the communist because communists ate well. USSR had one of the highest consumption of calories in the world. USSR set the bar high for good eating.


>>139627431
>no, he pays me 75$ a day to organize materials and support for him to continue working
He doesn't do that either. Materials are gathered by other workers. You can see the hold of capitalism over this anon breaking right before our eyes.

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>>139627419
Communism is literally satanism. It operates through temptation and resentment against God and the natural order of things, turning humans into slaves in the process.

>>139621845
>wake up in gommunist "society"
>cloudy, depressing rainy day
>rain drops on your shitty mediocre house windows
>higher-up party member sees your house, wants it for himself
>get sent to gulag
>die of starvation or disease in gulag

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Then you wake up out of your dream to the sound of jackboots kicking awake the person sleeping in the rack next to yours as you begin your day of forced labour at the "re-education" camp for persons who criticise the perfect peoples' stateless state....

>>139626840
lmao this guy is delusional

he probably does it for the (((yous)))

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>>139621845
>its 9 AM and its time to go to work
>if you want to.
>you don't want to
>crops stay in the fields and rot
>everyone starves to death

The end

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>>139621845
>its 9 AM and its time to go to work,
if you want to
is that heaven

Nothing is more puzzling than an unironic 21st Century Communist

>>139621845
I made another one for the first phase of communism
>you wake up in a communist society
>The sun shines in your window of your medium sized house
>its 9 AM and its time to go to work
>you make yourself some scrambled eggs and walk out the door
>the green house you work in is only a few blocks from your house so you decide to walk.
>you get to your job and a few of your co workers greet you
>you talk for a little then get to work
>You water some of the plants and pull out some weeds.
>a few hours pass as you tend to all the plants
>you wipe your brow and decide thats enough for today
>you grab a labor voucher for 4 hours of work you just did
>if you were a skilled laborer you would have gotten more per hour
>you wave good bye to your co workers.
>its time for lunch so you get on a train and head to the grocery building
>you walk inside and select what you need for lunch
>you grab some bread and cheese and make yourself a sandwhich
>you give the casheir one labor voucher because the goods you bought took 1 hour to make
>you walk out of the grocery building and head to the park.
>you sit at a table and watch the birds in the trees
>you get back on the train
>a man sits down next to you
>he has a gray beard and a wears clothes that looks old fashioned by todays standards
>suddenly you realize who it is
>its marx
>he places a parental hand on your sholder and says
>"I told you it was inevitable comrade."

https://youtu.be/OO0hHz5n_ms

>>139627142
So why don't you just sell products yourself and buy your own machine? Oh i forgot. You can't do that. You need permisions, licence, cash register, some lawyer to deal with fucked up law and even if you succed with that, you will be so taxated it will take ages of hard work to get money on the machine so you are forced to be a wageslave anyway, hoping for some rise.

Hurray socialism

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>>139628371

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>>139628303
Nothing is more puzzling than an unironic wageslaving exploited classcuck porky cock sucking ponzi scheme loving 21st century capitalist

>you wake up in a communist society
>your belly grumbles.
>the green mist from the nearby industrial wastelands fill your lungs
>you walk to your daily work quot- oh wait, you already slept inside the factory
>your "Comrades" from the national security force grab you by your arms and throw you in front of a machine for being late
>you work your completely balanced 20 hours of work
>food is directly injected to your stomach by one of the best of the state's implants, that is completely not draining your lifespan from 60 to 30 years
>your comrades decide its your time to go to bed, so they grab you by the arms again and throw you in front of the factory, where your favorite matress is.
>you cry yourself to sleep, alongside the other 99% of the population
>repeat cycle

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>>139628704
Is this ironic shitposting or are you serious right now? Lol I can't tell

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>>139628554
>So why don't you just sell products yourself and buy your own machine?
That's what everyone did before capitalism. Now the only people who can afford means of production are capitalists. But they DON'T actually use it, instead they employ workers to use it for them. Wouldn't it be better if the workers controlled it instead of some shady shadow figure sitting at the top of a skyscraper counting his money?

>>139628371
So you worked making....something for 4 hours? What happens when a robot can make 100x as much as you in the same period of time?

Y'know, the reason there are fewer production jobs?

>>139621845
>choose to go to work
>expects the trains to run and there to be food in the store

hahahahaha

>>139626044
Commieblocks came later bro. But all in all pretty accurate description of the 40s and early 50s

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>>139628858
*shitposting intensifies*

>>139627142
https://heterodox.economicblogs.org/socialdemocracy21stcentury/2016/keynes-debunking-marxs-exploitation-based-surplus-labour

>you wake up in a communist society
>The sun shines in your window of your post modern flats
>its 6 AM and its time to go to work
>You have to.
>((They)) decide you will go to work today.
>you make yourself some sawdust and water then walk out the door
>the farm that you work in is only a few blocks from your flat, cars are banned so you walk.
>you get to your job and a few of your co workers greet you with false smiles.
>you get to work
>You water the few crops that are growing and harvest weeds, they can be eaten too.
>a few hours pass as you tend to all the plants
>you wipe your brow and decide that's enough for today
>you get beaten for under producing.
>its time for lunch
>you walk inside and select what you need for lunch
>Water
>Sawdust
>you don't pay for it because money has been abolished
>you walk out of the food bank and head to the park.
>you sit at a table and watch the birds in the trees
>you walk back home
>a man sits down next to you
>he has a military cap and a wears clothes that looks old fashioned by today's standards
>suddenly you realise who it is
>its Augusto Pinochet
>he places a parental hand on your shoulder and says
>"Fancy a ride..."

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>>139628843
>>139629056
>Damn it, looks like this anon is raising some good points against this random economic system that for some reason I have a football fan-esque attachment to
>Better post some random images to try to counter it

>>139627142
But who started the business anon? The workers? Where did all those machines came from? The workers too? Where did all the large amount of money needed to start said business came from? The workers?

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>>139628371
you never lived in commie country...

>you wake up in a communist society
>It's still dark outside of your concrete bloc
>its 3:45 becouse you have bad communication with factory they assigned you to
>no time to eat you just ate dinner before going to sleep
>no way you will ever get there by walking you need to go by awfully crowded bus since hardly anyone can afford car
>Everyone it tired and lazy at work becouse efficiency doesn't matter.
>yea you whine and complain all the time about shity situation
>not much plants in a factory
>a few hours pass doing same shit over and over again
>you don't decide when it's over you have assigned schedule with work time and free time
>you grab a voucher if it's available . If not you have to take care of you for yourself(probably steal somethin)
>they wave goodbye. it's normal in any country
>train is overcrowded and you got late, next is in 4hours, you need to find some bus
>it's time to lunch so you go to the shop to buy somethin
>reee there is nothing left except for bread
>you eat bread while walking home becouse you are tired
> you get in your assigned apartment you have to share with someone you didn't know before
>you finish your bread, drink some very light tea with no sugar
>it's 23:00 already time to go to sleep
>3:45 reapeat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9nNynd3ZoU

>>139627472
yeah I'm so oppressed here in capitalist US I already ate all my weeds today and I still have a barrel mark on my back from the guard's ak-47

>>139627472
>capitalist
>redistribution

>>139627952
>Yes, food doesn't kill the communist because communists ate well. USSR had one of the highest consumption of calories in the world. USSR set the bar high for good eating.
Dumbass

>>139628858
So... You want to turn businesses into democracies, basically?...

Are you fucking high? Have you SEEN how well democracies work? The only reason businesses work in the first place is because they're autocratic and NOT democratic!

who is going to wanna work over 12 hours aday when theres no reward?

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>>139629661
Those questions only make sense within the framework of capitalism. Outside the system, the questions become irrelevant. As for the machines, they were invented by inventors, designed by engineers, and built by workers. Porky bought the machines, put it inside the factory that he hired workers to build, and employed workers to use the machines to create goods that he sells.

>>139629710
>you never lived in commie country...
The people that have want communism back. The people who haven't, want socialism. Funny how that works.

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>>139623401
basically its what my grandparents told me about how ukraine was back in the soviet union.

>you wake up in a star trek society
>The sun is 6 billion miles away
>its 0900 Hours and its time to work
>if you want to, if not you go to the holodeck for some naked twister with super models
>you decide you will go to work today.
>you ask the replicator for egg benedict with coffee
>the hydroponics deck you work in is only a few levels from your quaters so you decide to walk.
>you get to your job and a few of your co workers greet you with a warm smile
>you talk for a little then get to work
>You analyze the ph of the nutrient solution. Record your results and make recommendations
>a few hours pass as you record and analyze your findings
>you wipe your brow and decide thats enough for today
>you wave good bye to your co workers.
>its time for lunch so you go to level 10 lounge and get some real cooked meals and some craft beer from Saturn Base 12.
>you walk inside and sit with some buddies from the academy.
>you don't pay for it because money is obsolete in the federation, only the (((Ferengi))) use money
>a man sits down next to you
>he has a bald head and a wears a uniform old fashioned by todays standards
>suddenly you realize who it is
>its Capt Picard
>he places a parental hand on your sholder and says
>"Make it so"

>>139630100
So who buys the product and how much does it sell for, what does "porky" do with his profits?

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>>139629936
Nice response sperg

>>139630029
Businesses report to their shareholders. People who may have no idea about the trade but get to be involved in decisions simply because they own a portion of the company. Also, since all the workers are specialized and highly trained in their field, they will have the tools already to make the right decision.

You think if the workers owned the company, shit like this will happen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ttxGMQOrY

>>139630427
>Nice response sperg
Nice use of >argumentum ad absurdum
Retard.

>>139630100
Porky didn't just pop into existence out of a vacuum, Commie anon! At some point he had to work to amass the liquid assets or capital required to start his enterprise. Alternatively, he made a pitch to a group of individuals who'd already built their own enterprises, convinced them that his proposal was sound a likely to generate profit, and decided to fund him.

>"The people that have want communism back."

Stockholm syndrome combined with rigorous mental conditioning by the state is a bitch.

>>139621845
>>its 9 AM and its time to go to work
>>if you want to.
>>but you don't because someone else will do it for you
>>but they don't either
>>you and them both starve

end communism.

>Wake up in a Anarco-communist society
>Head to my job, constructing tractors to sell to farmers outside the megacity
>As I Leave my designated commie block (Door2842 BlockD21) i Step on a rusty nail, left outside the door
>guess the janitor didnt feel like working today
>as i march alone to the train station i notice my foot is starting to hurt bad
>Decide to take the day off
>i notice that all my comrades seem to have decided to take the day off too, huh
>head to the doctor
>Xe tells me that i have an infection, need antibiotics asap
>Antibiotics in low supply since all workers at medicine factories take every day off
>Doc says he has one bottle left, Lets trade
>since i own part of the tractor factory i have plenty of tractors to trade with
>Ill trade one tractor for that medicine, i suggest, despite knowing that is not fair for me, no other choice
>doc says he doesnt want anymore tractors then decides to take rest of year off
>die slow agonising death
>at least there are no rich anymore

>>139630100
Who ensures that the people get what they want anon? The people? The state? The communist party? How do you ensure that the products they made is good quality?

>>139630100
>The people that have want communism back. The people who haven't, want socialism. Funny how that works.

No they don't. Those who do were the ones who were abusing the system.

All kinds of leeching, defrauding scum who just focus on stealing to survive
Those are the ones rewarded by communism greatly.
That's the commie mentality after all. Take from the one who has more so you don't have to work for it.

>>139630427
Comrade quit being silly. The last half-century has been a ceaseless trend of socialism and increased state control.
If incomes of the middle class have stagnated now, when they were constantly rising in laissez faire, it should indicate your programs do more harm than good.
If the uber wealthy get uberly wealthier under this system, it should tell you that government powers are not allocated to "the people" or "the workers of the world" but corrupt bureaucrats.
Your ideology stinks, dude. Why not just let the course of nature, guided by individualism, lead us to the promised land?
Why not live your life and let others live theirs?

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>>139630365
>So who buys the product
Wage laborers and other capitalists
>how much does it sell for
As many products as possible at the optimum price to reap the most profit.
>what does "porky" do with his profits?
Expands his business, buys out smaller business that can't compete eventually until he gets a monopoly. He can also live as comfortable as he can since he has extracted from the workers surplus labor. We don't need 40 hour work weeks anymore just like we didn't need 60 hour work weeks one century ago. It's just less hours means less profit for porky.

>>139630427

Greetings comrade I have a question for you, I've asked this to a lot of braindead fucking commies I've encountered but they never answer! Will you?

Hard mode: actually answer the question, and don't answer my question with another question (eg. "Why does that matter? :)")

How much money do you earn per year currently, and what are your current living standards (roughly)? You have place to live, food, etc.? Many luxuries such as nice PC, personal vehicle, etc. I assume?

And then once you and your fellow revolutionary comrades overthrow oppressive capitalism, how much money will you make, what will your living standards be like, etc.? Will you get a mansion/Ferrari and so on once we stop being oppressed?

Fuck your Marxist theory, tell me how your life will be objectively better after your hypothetical revolution.

>>139630100
of course 81% of serbs said it was good to them in yugoslavia, but you do not get that communism in yugoslavia was actually a project for greater serbia and that the serbs controlled much of military, police, law etc. it was actually a serbian hegemony on all other nations in that country.
also, you commie fucks deserve to be shot and buried without a grave ;)

>>139630427
>You think if workers owned the company, shit like this will happen?

It's truly sad what Globalism has done to hard-working American workers... The people of this nation really do need to unite and demand the implementation of the protectionist trade policies to prevent things like this from happening. All Americans must unite as a nation to defeat our enemies both foreign, and domestic.

I figured I try my hand at one of these.
>You wake up in a communist society.
>The sun is up and shines in your face
>It is 8AM
>A boot kicks in your door; looks like the state is mad you slept in
>You get your approved beating for not helping the state; they were kind enough to not kill you out of hand
>You smile, this is what you wanted for years
>You go to make some eggs for breakfast, but they all went to the local party head
>Gruel isn't that bad anyway
>You walk to the factory on a fractured leg
>They give you another beating for being late.
>You breathe in the nice dirty air, smiling as it gives you cancer
>Your co-workers look at you with distrust, you return the look
>Anyone could turn you in for some more food or a blanket
>You lose a finger in the machinery, at least healthcare is free
>They cauterize the stump and send you back to work, not bad for a break
>After a nice 12 hours of doing work in a safety free environment, you are free to go home.
>It has only been dark for three hours
>You rest at a park bench on the way home
>A man sits down next to you
>He places a hand on your shoulder and says
>'Come with me comrade'
>He wears the uniform of the state
>You go with him, to the local party building
>You are put in a room, and beaten
>Every few minutes they ask you to sign a confession.
>Eventually you agree
>They send you away in the middle of the night, you don't know why
>You never see anyone you know again, nor they you.
>But you smile, comrade, communism is upon you

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>Muh were my family and friends did they die in goolag like 95m other ?!

>>139627952
By some weird alchemy? Let's see... The mine owners start by saving money instead of blowing it all on frivolities, something that people with high time preferences are incapable of doing. They then take the money they have saved to open the business and usually have to borrow money on top of that, investing substantial capital in the mining operations (all of which they stand to lose if the venture is unsuccessful and goes bankrupt). They then pay the workers their wages upfront whether or not the business turns a profit. This is the strange alchemy Haywood speaks of. What similar risk did the laborers take? Did they defer their gratification and save money to start a business? Did they risk the shirt off their backs by investing huge sums of money into an enterprise which had no guarantee of profitability? Should the laborers have to pay their wages back to the owner if the operation is unprofitable?

>>139621845

>if you want to

>>139629881
Did you abolish taxes in America?

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>>139621845
Hah, no, this is more realisitc
>you wake up in a communist society
>The sun doesn't shine through your window ever since they built the factory next to your apartment complex, but it's lighter outside
>it's 7am and it's time to go to work
>if you want to
>you decide you don't want to be sent to gulag, so you will go to work today
>you find some stale bread in your kitchen from when you went to the bread line a few days ago
>eat a few bites of it so as to ration it
>the factory you work in is a few miles away, so you must run the whole way
>almost collapse from exhaustion on the way there
>You get to your job and immediately start making armaments for the war with Imperialism and America
>soldiers everywhere
>the comrade next to you falls over and can't work anymore. The soldiers start yelling at him, and eventually put him in a truck which drives away, presumably to a gulag.
>12 hours pass and your superiors decide that that's enough work for the day
>you rush out with your head down so as not to attract attention
>you realize the bread won't be enough for tomorrow, so you go to the grocery building to get a pound of meat
>you walk around the boxes and various retarders and find some meat that doesn't smell too bad in one of the retarders
>go home, it is now 9pm
>eat the rest of the bread, leave the meat in the coldest part of the house for breakfast
>you hear a knock at the door
>open it
>it's a man with a clipboard and a truck and several soldiers
>you've been placed under arrest for possessing a bible
>military man places a stern hand on your shoulder and says
>"I told you it was inevitable, comrade."

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>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society
>no sun in your commie block apartment
>no windows at all
>its 9 am and its time to go to work
>or you will be shot
>you decide you don't want to die today, no more than usually anyway
>you make yourself some gruel
>more roaches than usual
>extra protein
> you decide to walk because you are too poor get a vehicle
>the chemical plant you work at is right next door to your commie black anyway
>you get to your job
>coworkers inform you only 6 people died on the night shift
>slow night
>you talk about the glorious leader because anyone might be a spy
>you dump some chemical byproducts down the storm sewer
>a few hours pass and you decide you are about to pass out from the fumes
>wipe the blood out of your eyes and cough bloody mucus as you wave goodbye to your coworkers
>its time for lunch
>you don't pay any money because there is no food
>you stagger to the park hoping fresh air will stop your tongue from swelling large enough to asphyxiate you
>you sit on the concrete bench
>no birds
>glorious leader told you to kill all of them because they eat grain
>plenty of bugs to look at though
>you get on the train
>a man sits down next to you
>he has a gray beard and wears what looks like old fashioned clothes by todays standards
>suddenly you realize who it is
>its Marx
>he places a controlling hand on your shoulder as you loose consciousness, on your way to death
>"good goy"

>>139621845
you legit need help if you believe all this

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>>139623858
>people only work to produce materials if they feel like it
>suddenly the state has more materials than ever before
This is why people think Communists are mentally challenged

>>139630851
I see Catholic Turkey, America's most faithful lapdog, has brainwashed you well. Funny how it's ruled by the exact same leeching defrauding class too. I guess it just needs more capitalism.

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>>139621845

>The sun shines in your window of your medium sized house
>private property
>real communism
do commies even understand what communism is

Communism is all about working hard, it's made for workers. Only hard workers understand real communism.

>>139631263
>>>The sun doesn't shine through your window ever since they built the factory next to your apartment complex
But seriously, do you people have any concept of how capitalism is for poor people and especially poor countries? Because you keep describing it, this is like the 10th post that literally describes what happens in any American colony.

>>139621845
>>if you want to.
>>you decide you will go to work today.
Nobody likes to work ever, almosy everyone that works hard does it because there is money involved. Without some type of recompensation for work, you end up with people wanting to do things the easy way

>>139630100
Did you ever notice how all the people who didn't like communism either emigrated or starved to death?

>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society
Stopped eating right there

>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society
>you decide you don't want to work today
>commisar Rapess breaks in your room and executes you on the spot for violating regulation 25 comma 155 and revolting against the people
>your small cubicle is reassigned to worker #1516743278
>your wife is reassigned from housewife to a public sexual relief role
>your son is sent to the mines to pay off your debt

>>139621845
>go work
>if you want to.

XAXAXAXAXAXA!

>>139631616
It's called zoning laws. You can't build a factory next to a residential zone.

At least in America. That's to prevent the situation I just described from happening.

>>139622832
>What is the concept of bartering
>What are spices as an ancient form of currency

>>139631624
>Nobody likes to work ever
Really? In a normal society, human beings actually love working when they see the fruits of their labor and they see the results of them helping the society around them.

Work being tied to nothing but monetary compensation is a perversion of the natural order.

In all historical communities before mass scale exploitation people used to band together and help each other do farm work, build houses, barns, churches, municipal buildings, infrastructure, etc. Isn't it the way Amish and similar communities do it even today in America? Can't you understand how this is perfectly normal and natural?

>>139631974
>It's called zoning laws.
It's called paying the city council to change it, or just building it anyway and paying the courts to keep the case in a drawer until it expires, and so on.

>>139632118
It's called people not liking factories next to homes and there being almost no benefit to the factory to be there and be hated.

>>139631058
Unfortunately friend, will never get a serious answer to these questions. Why? Because, at the end of the day, communism for these people is not about improving lives and they know it. So what is communism about? Communism is about bringing people down and making them miserable. You see, those who promote communism are miserable and seeing people who are successful and happy fills them with jealousy and hatred. As the old saying goes, misery loves company. They want to drag everyone down into the cold, grey, soulless shitworld communism produces so that everyone becomes as lifeless and filled with hate as they are.

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>>139630100
>The people that have want communism back. The people who haven't, want socialism. Funny how that works.
go to any and i mean ANY fucking low tier mid tier city in rusky landia or ukraine or poland
those where the people that suffered
if you talking about old as fuck people like ex kgb oficials, or people that worked in high ranking jobs in moscow or saint petersburg kiev or warshaw of course they would want it back, they where the ones that got bribes for everything, they are the ones that took advantage of the system, common folk know that communism = poverty and hunger

>be mother
>studying in the university of Ternopil to become a doctor
>has to get up 4:30am to get a good place in the store line because if she wakes up at 5:00 there wont be any basic products like butter for example
>get to class at 6:00 after beein at the store line for 1.5h
>has to study for the next 8h
>get home and go to sleep because tomorrow you gotta wake up 4:30am again
>all this to become a doctor and realize that you need conections and bribes to get a good job
>end up having to travel 2h each way to get to the job you where asigned

i bet she wants it so bad. so bad that she ended up moving to NY ;)
go fuck yourself commie scum.

>you wake up in a communist society
>The commie blocs blot out the sun and you are woken by the community alarm
>its 9 AM and its time to go to work
>The commissar has decided you will work in the factory producing 7.62x39 bullets for glorious AK
>Only air to eat and water to drink because food shipment from the recent seized government farm has yet to produce eggs
>the green house you work in is only a few blocks from your house so you decide to walk.
>you get to your job and a few of the soldiers are waiting for their bullets to load into their gun so they can be more productive in threatening you with death if you don't work
>You read the signs on the wall "CAPITALISM IS BAD! NO TALKING!"
>You water some of the plants and pull out some weeds.
>You have worked 16 hours and the government thanks you by not throwing you in the gulag
>you wipe your brow and are ordered to leave
>you stare in the distance as you walk past the soldiers in complete fear of death
>its time for lunch so you get on a train that's packed full of starving people eyeing the slightly overweight man with cannibalistic visions of full stomachs
>you walk inside and are given state approved gruel
>you walk out of the grocery building and head to the park.
>you sit at a table and see great monuments of Lenin and the military parade
>you get back on the train
>a man sits down next to you
>suddenly you realize who it is
>it's a KGB official
>he places you under arrest and says
>"I know you've been hording caviar, Ivan."

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>>139621845
Theres so much wrong with this I dont know where to begin.

>Its time to go to work
>If you want to
What do if no one wants to?

>the green house you work in is only a few blocks from your house so you decide to walk
Not everyone will be able to work in a Greenhouse. How is it determined who works in a Greenhouse and who works at the assembly lines or in the Mines?

>you wipe your brow and decide thats enough for today
Same as before, what if no one goes to work or everyone just shows up for 5 Minutes?

>you grab some bread and cheese and make yourself a sandwhich
How? Who makes the bread and cheese if we all work in fucking Green Houses, and if anyone can work whenever he wants?
What happens if I load up as much of the Sandwiches and Cheese that I can carry leaving none for anyone else?

Someone has to make these things. And just because you dont want to work and earn the fruit of someone elses labour doesnt mean that no one has to, nor that you are entitled to that.
Jesus fucking Christ, you people are delusional.

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>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society
Time to leave.

>>139621845
The funniest parts are where he was able to eat

Isn't George Orwell obligatory read in most western schools ?
How fucking delusional do you hate to be in order to believe in something like that?

>>139627472
I read this while eating a pizza at my PC sitting in my 68 degree house listening to Rush on my smartphone. Later I'll go to work so I can afford to keep up this lifestyle

>>139632118
>Really? In a normal society, human beings actually love working when they see the fruits of their labor and they see the results of them helping the society around them.
How many years of brainwashing does it take for people to really believe this shit ?

>>139621845
Hey as you are shilling for communism and that you are what, 15000 or 20000 people loving this shit. Why don't you work a full year while living in your parent basements. Then go all purchase a piece of land in a cheap place with nobody around and show us how your society works.
Once you showed us that it is working, we can then consider starting your communist society. But please start first kek

>>139632230
Also, I might add, they'd be sued almost immediately and then they'd have to have no factory and pay off everyone who was involved with the suit.

And industrial zones literally can't be next to residential zones. There's no workaround.

You're just spewing shit, like most communists.

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>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society
>The sun shines in the hole of your medium sized hovel
>its 4 AM and its time to go to work
>if you want to.
>you decide you will go to work today as you dislike being shot
>you make yourself some delicious fresh Siberian air and walk out the hole
>the mine you work in is only a few miles from your house so you decide to walk.
>you get to your job and a few of your co workers are dead
>you talk for a little then <REDACTED>
>You haul some of the ore and pull out some corpses.
>a few hours pass as you gradually lose all feeling in your toes
>you wipe your brow and your blackened skin sticks to itself
>you don't wave good bye to your co workers, because you're not going anywhere.
>its time for lunch so you get back to work because there's no food
>you walk inside and <REDACTED>
>you <REDACTED> and <REDACTED>
>you saw nothing and sing an approved song about how great the party is to yourself, just in case
>you walk out of the area and continue to see nothing
>you sit on a rock and get a baton jammed in your kidneys for malingering
>you get back on the train
>a man sits down next to you
>he has a gray beard and a wears clothes that looks old fashioned by todays standards
>suddenly you realize who it is
>its marx
>he places a parental hand on your sholder and says
>"pwned"

>>139632523
I mean, 70 years didn't do it in the USSR.

Nobody likes working. You can find enjoyment from work, sure, but not cleaning shit out of sewage tanks.

>>139623858
>Material Abundance
>When everyone can do whatever he likes
>Suggesting that anyone would work 24/7 producing food so that spoiled brats who think they are entitled to doing nothing and painting all day can eat

>>139632523
I think it just takes not being a shit person. Wouldn't you like to help your neighbor and have him help you?

Of course, in present day your neighbor is likely a Somalian gangster, so it might be different in that kind of a society...

>>139621845
>you grab some bread and cheese and make yourself a sandwhich
>you don't pay for it because money has been abolished

Why not just take all of it?

>the people producing food give it away for free
What did you mean by this

>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society
>commit suicide

>>139632660
>you make yourself some delicious fesh siberian air

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>>139631264
kek

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>>139621845

>its 9 AM and its time to go to work
>if you want to.
>you decide you will go to work today.

Being unemployed for an extended period was literally illegal.

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>Be communist, fight hard to censor all opposition
>finaly win, time for all to come together and form a perfect utopia
>first day of REAL communism
> i wake up from my house and go to work
> i own a bakery, in equal share with my comrade who sweeps the floor
>a new comrade walks into shop, asks for bread
>since thre is no money we trade our goods
>he owns a horse farm
>we both struggle to concieve of a way to make this trade
>agree that one horse is equal to 900loafs of bread.
>um, right. Bake 900loafs, alone since work comrade takes the rest of the day off)
>I give bread to xer, xer gives horse to me.
>he leaves with a sigh
>wonder what im gona do with a horse since im a progressive vegan
>day continues and i make dozens of ridiculous unequal trades and end up with loads of useless items.
>prepare to take new items to house
>get home and realise it is inhabited by several other comrades
> remember property doesnt exist anymore and we all have to share

Cont

>>139632875
Human nature.

>>139632777
Yes, this is why in glorious capitalism, cleaning shit is a highly paid and well respected profession that compensates for its lack of glamour with monetary rewards and job perks that get you on a higher societal level than a doctor.

Oh wait, it's actually not, and people still do it. Hmm...

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>>139633152
>Human nature.
Look at all these ubermenschen.

>>139631387
Yes it does. You know that very well kike,
But many people will lose their bussines when socialism disapears.
And they are ready to defend their bussines.
That is why it is so hard to get rid of it.
You need support of a most of society and guarantee no other "democratic" country will join to make sure you are not "facist" or "nazi" or any other excuse.

Becouse corporations don't have nationalities.

>>139621845
Nice delusion, bro.

>>139621845

Time to become Commissar, greatest day ever!

>>139630987

It's not like the big bag disappears in some parallel universe. It returns in the way of investments and taxes.

>>139633358
Those are Amish.

Amish are far from communism. They would be hunted by commies for being too religious and not enough open to society and orders

>>139623401
The only reason I came into this thread was to read this, because I knew someone had done it. Well done.

I know the fallback argument of
>real communism has never been tried.
But that's bullshit. It's been tried over and over again, and always fails in the same ways. People will not work unless you give them a reason to do so. Most of the time you have to force them. You can do it commie style, by pointing a gun at their head. Or capitalism style by giving them money to buy nice things that they can own. The nice thing about capitalism is they can just keep the money, they're not forced to spend it.

I know op is baiting, but he's not far off of what retarded people actually believe. It's like they've never talked to anyone who's survived a communist society. I have, and the stories are always the same, and it sounds like hell. These people are not being paid to say it sucks dick, they're not shilling. It literally just sucks dick. Last guy I spoke with about it is Czech. They started training him as a truck mechanic at the age of 13. By 15 he spent all of his days working on shitty eastern European trucks. All day every day. He described the shop to me once. It was curricular, with the boss in an office in the center. He had 360 view of the shop. All he did all day was yell over a loudspeaker whenever anyone was taking a rest, or taking too long.
>anon, get back to work!
At all the workers, all day long, whenever he felt they were looking tired. They all wore the same clothes. They all had the same shitty tools, and the same food. If they were lucky enough to have a vehicle, they were all the same, and the same color.
He told me about when communism fell. And how fucking stoked he was to get his first pair of Levi's. He was dead set on the ones with the button fly. I think the 501s. As soon as it fell, the same day many shops opened up, including a place to buy Levi's. He got his jeans and it was the happiest day of his life.

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still trying your failed ideology?

>>139633451
>Time to become Commissar, greatest day ever!
You can be one right now, just weasel your way into the LGBTXPMYZ+ Commissariat and get assigned to an IT company for example.

>>139622161
How will communism ever recover?

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>>139633586
and this pic as well.
National socialism is the way.

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>you wake up in a perfect communist society
>you are a fucking ant
>you haul your ass with your fellow nameless drones for the glory of the hive and you die

>>139633622

I never see that kind of things in Marx, plz explain before get shoot Comrade

>>139633195
No, but it's a pretty well paid job for having little to no education.

Are you so deluded as to think that the people doing those jobs enjoy doing them?

>>139633586
Pot calling the kettle black

>>139630427
Shareholders get to make the decisions because they take on the risk. If you are a worker and the company goes bankrupt, you just stop turning up to work and find another job. If you are the shareholder then all of the buckets of money that you poured into the business just evaporate and there's nothing you can do about it.

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>>139621845
That sounds pleasant asf. Too bad it would never work.

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>>139633138
>After a few days the leaders decide to impliment a new system
>its still communism!
>now we use tokens with each purchase to make things much easier
>at work, horse farmer comes in asks for one loaf (other loaves stale by now) , i trade for three tokens
>He leaves and smiles, so do i
>go to market, trade my tokens for some fruit, havent ate fruit in days since no shopkeeps were interested in bread
>realise this token system is the obvious soloution to the unequal and ridiculous trade deals we had before
>smile whilst thinking about communism
>think about how evil money was
>think about how genious this new token system is

>wait...

>>139633749
You are aware that capitalism gave us the greatest prosperity any everyone was getting richer. Both jews and us. But 2 world wars and cold war broke people into being submissive...

If you give your gov right to decide for yourself what you can do with your life or free time, there will always be banksters who will corrupt those who decide. And in 90% cases you end up in a shithole and if you are lucky and most of your society is very smart, and you elect even smarter people you have a chane to have a nice facism. But it's like 0.001% chance, and it would need legalized guns.

>>139634236
Are the tokens transferable?

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and finally
>be 16
>be a Slavshit that just moved to usa
>have to go to HS
>learn the language enough to get out of ESL in less than 6 months
>have anger issues because i hate the school and the suburban enviroment
>lunch break
>go to the cafeteria
>see kid with a shirt of the soviet hammer and sickle
>finaly snap
>walk up to him and tell him he ether gets rid of that shirt or i will slap him real hard
>kid hears my accent and asks my why if i come from a commie country
>slap him
>we start to fight
>teachers separate us
>be at the principals office
>have to talk with the other kids parents
>explain to them how my mother's side of the family was sent to a gulag and only my grandmother was able to stay because she was married to a man there for considered to be a diferent family
>explain to them about how his kid is wearing something that simbolizes the genocide of 8 million ukrainians by starvation
>and promise tham that if i see their kid again with that shirt or any other commie simbols i will beat him up
>principal is outraged
>they call my parents in
>suspended 3 weeks
>kid never brought that shirt back to class
the kid looked like a fucking jew btw

>>139634402

Explain

>>139633831
It's the exact same principle, in every company you have a department or an employee that takes care of "the party line" and enforces PC and all the other contemporary ideological bullshit. Sometimes it's official and sometimes unofficial, you'll mostly find them in HR and PR. Tech company will usually have a rainbow haired tranny as their customer relations representative (i.e. dude who posts on forums) and they will take care of the PC culture being enforced in the entire company, or the company will face dire consequences.

>>139633960
>Are you so deluded as to think that the people doing those jobs enjoy doing them?
Are you saying that they're unhappy with their jobs? That they're perhaps "forced" to do things that they don't like in order to get money?

>be commie
>study for 9 years to become a brain surgeon
>you decide you will go to work today
>take bike to work
>"guess it's time to go home"
>someone else is using the town bike because property is for the gays
>take the subway
>come back home to a slice of bread and maybe even carrots
>thanks you Garl Marks

Paradise

>>139634589
Can I give a token to someone else and then they can use it to buy something or is it just proof I did labor for society (labor vouchers as marx described in Critique of the gotha programme)?

>>139634725
Yes, they're compelled to do things that they don't want to do in order to do things that they do want to do.

Are you saying that these things don't need to get done? Because if people have to be "forced" to do these things, why would they if they don't have to?

You tripped my trap, fucker.

>>139635052
So how is that different than doing it in LE BIG BAD GOMMY SOCIETY then?

Except the worker is actually praised as the main pillar of society in its ideology so they feel like they're contributing to something important instead of "hurp durp just doing it to survive fuck my life better get as much drugs as possible with this money"?

>>139622277
>>139623732
Unfortunately this is true. Nobody would voluntarily shovel shit for a living.

The only way for communism to work is if all the menial jobs are automated.

Hopefully that will happen in the next century or two.

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>>139621845
THIS IS WHAT COMMIES ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN!

I'm sure this has been posted here already but I want to write this out, if only for my own sake.

To the commies saying that people will do the shit jobs because "if they don't, they don't benefit from the services either." That doesn't mean that the majority of people arent going to sit around and wait for someone else to do it. Why do you assume that the workday as a farmer is from 10-3? Have you ever worked on a farm? Or do you assume that someone's going to volunteer themselves for the 4-9 shift? How do you ensure people are doing good work worthy of benefiting from the society, not leeching while doing the minimum when they're clocked in? How is it equal for the farmer who works at 4 to receive the same benefits as the one who works at 10?

UNLESS you say things like "different jobs get different perks" and "labor hours will be counted in labor tokens which prove your usefulness to the commune", both statements take you on the track to capitalism. OR "there will be a job that ensures people do good work" which ensures that you go the same way that all attempts at communism in history have gone.

>>139622771
So why would they not just fix their own shit and leave everyone else?

>>139628704
How can you talk about capitalism when you have 2 digit taxes in every country usually over 50% of earning, and shit like department of social protection or department of culture or deparment of education?

last time we've seen capitalism in XIX century and shit is getting worse with every year

>>139635006
I you work you are issued 'tokens'
These tokens have asigned value
They show that you have worked and are therefore owed something back by society.
You can then give these to other people instead of giving them an object such as a loaf of bread since they might not at the time want what you (as a baker for example) produce. This means you can trade with comrades easily even if you want something they have but dont want anything you have.
Instead you give them some 'tokens' of equal 'value' that they can then trade with as thry please.
Its the obvious solution, comrade ^-^

>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society
>you are very hungry

Roll doubles to eat your kid. Singles to go to gulag

>>139623732
>What they don't realize is that everyone would want to do those easy, fun meaningless jobs
Except back in communist times art was actually a pretty serious deal, from music to painting to movies or literature, the quality of art made in Yugoslavia hasn't been reached since the war in any of those fields and from what I know of other Eastern European cinematography at least, it hasn't happened there either.

>>139621845
moar liek:
>you wake up in a communist society
>it's raining, like everyday
>it's 4 AM and time to go to work
>you take the train
>due to fuel shortage the passengers have to push the train
>a man speaks out in protest and is taken away by the militia
>you arrive at the factory together with 10.000 workers
>nobody greets you, everyone is afraid to speak
>everyone has grey workers uniform
>at 1 PM it's lunch time but the director decided that all the workers "voluntarily" skip lunch and work instead to exceed quota
>work is dull
>at 6 PM work is supposed to be over but the director decides all workers do overtime "voluntarily" to exceed quota
>work til 9 PM
>director gets medal "hero of the working class" for exceeding quota singlehandedly
>as reward he is promoted into the politburo and his son takes over as director
>go home
>passengers have to push train due to fuel shortage
>conductor gets medal for saving fuel singlehandedly
>get home at 11 PM
>your assigned wife makes dinner, it's a potato
>your 4 years old son has made a political joke and has to go to gulag
>you have the choice to denounce and disown him or have your whole family go to gulag
>get to sleep
>wake up to alarm siren
>politcommissar felt like doing a emergency drill at 2 AM
>is rewarded for keeping up safety singlehandedly
>finally reach age of 65 and become a pensioneer
>finally 50 years of hard labour pays off
>get court martialled for simulating old age
>go to gulag

>>139635566
>Have you ever worked on a farm?

Dairy farms are worse. You have to wake up everyday, including weekends and holidays, at 4 am to milk the cows twice a day.

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>>139635680

>>139625160
Are you implying coercion doesn't exist in communism?
Are you implying goods that the people share are only produced in communism?
Are you implying you even know the definition of communism?
Are you implying that you aren't a shameless communist cock sucking shill?

>>139623401
>you decide you will go to work today at the barrel of an AK-47.

kek'd

>>139635650
In fact, thousands of years ago humans actualy invented this magic system
Wana know what the tokens were called?

>>139621845

>if you want to.

hahahaha nigga please

>>139621845
>You wake up in a communist society
>The sun shines through the smog in your dorm sized apartment
>It's 9AM and it is time to go to work
>if you don't the government will think you're conspiring against the workers
>You look in your weekly rations, and realize you have eaten all the food for the week
>The building you work in is a mile from your apartment complex, but you cannot afford car so you walk
>you get to job and everyone is silent
>You work and pull a lever all day
>A few hours pass and you break for lunch
>One spoonful of soup
>You go back to work until 9PM as the state needs more levers to be pulled
>You get off work and go home
>You are hungry, but no ration

Ah, fuck it. Long story short, you're fucked and the party comes to you.

>>139635798
You have 4am twice?

>>139635885
>Wana know what the tokens were called?

Shekels?

>>139635650
>open whore house
>must pay in tokens
>target the lonely losers more sex hungry than food hungry
>garble up all the tokens
>do this in every major city
>open up barter to token trade establishing our own pricing system

>>139631602
actually, only the hard workers despise communism. they despise it because the nonworking leeches steal the fruits of their labor.

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>wake up in communist society
>your stomach grumbles loudly, you haven't eaten in days
>reach out for your husband but then remember he was taken away months ago by the NKVD
>your door is kicked in
>a man with a machine gun is yelling at you to get up
>you get half dressed before he grabs you and throws you out of the door
>you see all of your neighbors in a group and join them
>you're marched off to the train station
>a commisar points his machine gun at you and orders you to get in the cattle car
>you don't know where they're taking you and everyone is scared
>suddenly gunfire is heard from behind you
>everyone screams and jump to the ground, the commisars run away
>groups of men appear, they're wearing grey uniforms and have helmets on
>they're german
>they ask if you're alright and begin unloading everyone from the cattle cars
>they give you food and shelter
>the communists have been driven away from your home
>for the first time in 8 years you smile
Based on a true story.

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>>139621845
>medium sized house

broke my immersion

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>>139628858
In capitalism no one forbids you to create an union with your neighbours and share stuff and use income to improve your little society. And invite and exclude whoever you want, anyhow you want.
But in socialism they can forbid you to gather, they can forbid you to make bussines without permission, they can tax you so bad you wont be able to avoid taxes like corporations with dozens of lawyers can do that.
Only way for you to not be corporation slave is to have a free market, free access to weapons and you can live on your own with people you like however you like it. If anybody gains too much influence there will be pogroms anyway.

You can't do pogrom in social democracy though. Becouse leechers will fight for their gibs

You are being ridiculous

>>139636028

First one is at 6 am and the second one at 6 pm. Or something like that. You still have to milk them everyday.

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>>139626840
There is an extremely stark difference between modern prisons and gulags. People were sent to gulags for a difference of opinion.

The soviet gulags are more like a concentration camp than a prison system. I am sure you will say you can do it better somehow. They always did and always will.

One day when you are on the chopping block in some socialist utopia, remember we told you so. There will be no one to blame but your own arrogance.

>>139635650
Instead how about if you work for a certain amount of time and and you are granted a token which allows you to get a good that took the same amount of time to create. If you work faster than average (above SNLT) you get more tokens per hour. Skilled workers also get more tokens because they had to put in lots of labor time in order to become skilled.

>>139621845
>Communist society with food
What a delusional fantasy

>>139621845

> I wake up in a communist society
> I open up a helicopter service
> FULL PINOCHET
> No more communism

>>139628858
>some shady shadow figure sitting at the top of a skyscraper counting his money?

you have the mind of a child

>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society
>The sun can't be seen through the cloud of smog outside of your window in your shoebox-sized commieblock
>its 5 AM and its time to go to work
>or else
>you decide you will go to work today because you don't want to get gulag'd
>you leave the house and wait in line for 3 hours for a loaf of stale bread
>you get to your job surrounded by total silence and sullen looks
>you stare blankly for a little then get to work
>you slave away at the massive factory for the next 8 hours making subpar shoes with absolutely no motivation or effort
>you wipe your brow and the comrade commisar decides thats enough for today
>you walk away from the soulcrushing factory in silence
>its time for dinner so you wait an hour and a half for a train and head to the grocery waiting line for another 3 hours
>you pay for it with 10 million monopoly money commiebux
>you walk out of the food dispensary and head to the concrete square
>you sit at a bench sullenly until two soldiers approach you for loitering and threaten to beat your ass
>you walk back home because the next train is coming in 3 days
>a man walks next to you
>he has a gray beard and a wears clothes that looks menacing by todays standards
>suddenly you realize who it is
>it's state security service agent no.992581
>he places a gun to your temple and says
>"Subversive thoughts are punishable by death"

FIXED THAT FOR YOU FAGGOT

>>139636153
>In capitalism no one forbids you to create an union with your neighbours and share stuff and use income to improve your little society. And invite and exclude whoever you want, anyhow you want.
Actually there are many rules and regulations about that specifically.

I would recommend looking into what happened every time when they wanted to make a white community in America, or for example how kibbutz communities have been ruined by the society around them growing more and more capitalistic.

https://ecpr.eu/Filestore/PaperProposal/e38eaf49-4653-45b1-9a78-468dce758fb2.pdf

You can't have a tiny ideological pocket in a world of a competing ideology, that everyone in your little commune is still forced to participate in, you can only LARP and that doesn't mean shit.

Even Alain de Benoist, who is basically a fascist philosopher, agrees with that, for an ideology to work and make people happy with participating in society, it has to be on a greater societal level.

I think you're unaware of how much propaganda a society member consumes on a daily basis.

>>139621845
food in a communist society?

DROPPED

>>139621845
>>you wake up in a communist society
>>The sun shines in your ripped and worn canvas tent
>>its 5 AM and its time to go to work
>>if you want to. You could always go to gulag.
>>you decide you will go to work today.
>>you make yourself half a piece of toast and crawl out of your tent
>>you decide to walk to work after realizing you have no other options
>>you get to your job and a few of your co workers make fleeting eye contact with you
>>you feign a smile and get to work
>>You water some of the plants and pull out some weeds.
>>a few hours pass as you tend to all the plants
>>you wipe your brow and decide thats enough for today
>>you wave good bye to your co workers.
>>an armed guard stops you and returns you to your work station
>>its time for lunch so you walk along the abandoned rain tracks and head to the bread line
>>you wait for a while
>>you grab the last piece of moldy bread, but it is taken from you by a soldier
>>you pay for it because you didn't expect it to be stolen so quickly
>>you walk away from the "bread" line and dead to the park.
>>you sit at a table and watch the birds in the trees
>>a man sits down next to you
>>he has a gray beard and a wears clothes that looks old fashioned by todays standards
>> he has food, and you offer him sex for it
>>suddenly you realize who it is
>>its marx
>>he places a parental hand on your sholder and says
>>"Die capitalist pig."

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>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society.
>instantly reach for the nearest gun and shoot yourself or you would if you had access to a gun.
>the commissar shoots you for being late to work.
Oh well better dead than red.

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Let me try.
>revolution comes
>gommies in power
>I sign up immediately to be a commissar.
>the only thing I hate more than the ideology is the people who put it into power
>"yes, it says here you voted Republican before?"
>"that's right. I've had a change of heart, and I'm well versed in communist theory"
>"enlighten us anon"
>"well, Marx said there should be a system of credit. No token bullshit. Also, the Soviet constitution paraphrases the Bible and says that he who doesn't work doesn't eat. Everyone shares labor, and it works because everyone gets a job(whether you like it or not you putrid fucks, I think to myself)."
>"that'll do"
>go on rampage, signing up for whatever gulags and patrols I can get on
>move up party ranks
>the day is here
>the day of the purge
>Trial of the 21 Million
>use it to destroy all gommies and their merchant benefactors
>enforce hate speech laws
>anyone who insults my ideology is now hateful and goes to death camp

>>139634590

Hahaha, where is my Tokarev in this bullshitery? And where is the ideal of a better humanity who's justifying the waste of bullets?

You can't be a commie with this kind of mind, it's again the greater good on a long term.

>>139636314
Well now this token system is evolving isnt it, comrade.
What happens when people accumulate lots of 'tokens' mabey we should have large buildings where citisrns can store there 'tokens in'

Mabey these 'token storage buildings' could even loan tokens out to comrades looking to make large purchases but cant quite wore up the value for a while

Huh i think this token system is pretty great
Dont you?

>>139627142
>a man is only worth how much labor he does

Literally anti-human.

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>>139636516
commies btfo

>>139636777
Recuring numbers can confirm

>>139636752
>And where is the ideal of a better humanity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGssbaktT1I

>>139636802
Economically how is that untrue?

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>>139621845
>you wake up in a comunist society
>you cannot stand up because some of your fellow gulag inmates has eaten your legs to not die of hunger
>you tell the guards and they kill you because you dont accept the "everybody owns everything" principle
>you smile while being eaten while dieing because you dont have to live in a comunist society anymore

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>>139621845
>you wake up in a communist society
>you get thrown in gulag
>you die
>marx laughs at you

>>139636575
>how kibbutz communities have been ruined by the society around them growing more and more capitalistic.

So are you saying "kibbutz" communities aren't economically efficient enough to survive?

You know about the Amish and Mennonite communities in the US that started in the early 1700s and still maintain their community today, right?

Question:
Is communism compatible with a monarchy? As long as you have a good king I don't see much of a difference. The king makes all the hard decisions while the people reap the rewards.

>>139621845
>then you get shot for not cheering loud enough at some faggy Marxist dictator's speech
>then the Jews that run the country let your family starve
Fuck communism, if my country ever became openly Marxist I would sperg out and go full Otoya

https://youtu.be/D4KROpdUkrM

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>>139621845
picture related is how Socialism works:
1.) vote what needs to be build on street
2.) people agree to build children's playground
3.) people hire workers or like in this case gather villages and they build it
Notice that mayor, government or private business doesn't decides anything, people run their money, people are owners of street, people own roads, people own bran new children's playground, people don't migrate.

>>139636980
You don't need humans for an economy anyway.

>>139637088
Good thing that the New Germans don't care about capitalism and communism, so they can prosper regardless.

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Could've added bit to this:
>>139636742

>Still commissar
>find good anon with the medium sized house
>inform him that all land rents and constructions are private property, they're being collectivized
>"c-commissar anon, I built this house myself" he lies
>"with what tools good comrade? the means of production belong to the people. You haven't checked any out according to my logs...? Are you hiding those as well?"
>that night at the Premier shekelbergs dacha in upstate New York
>"and then I told him 'what about our means of production'!"
>house full of elites laughs
>I laugh
>sip imported Chilean red wine
>eat 37% reduced meat burger
>cry a little inside
>tear falls on burger

>>139634571
Based, my Ukrainian neighbor.
Those western commie lovers will never realize what it means to starve and wait 4 hours in line to get some bread.

>>139637167
>So are you saying "kibbutz" communities aren't economically efficient enough to survive?
It's not exactly that, read the article, it's very interesting if you're not already familiar with how the greater society affects people in such communities.

As far as I know the Amish and such aren't doing that great lately with more and more outside influence seeping in.

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>>139621845
this is the gayest thing I have ever seen and I usually frequent /b/.

>>139637173
a monarchy implies that someone is more qualified than everyone else to lead = thus everyone is not equal = fuck communism

>>139637319
Nobody starved in Socialism, but you are just fat and stupid. People starve now.

>>139637173
>Is communism compatible with a monarchy?

North Korea

>>139637297
Picture and economy completely without human labor. Its just a bunch of robots that never wear out and take no labor to create making things. The things they make are as worthless as air because they are so abundant.

>>139637533
Monarchy implies you get 99% tax, starve and don't know how to read so they can tie you up like a fuck doll and use you, then you die and nobody knew you existed. That's practical monarchy, but maybe you played too many games.