/pol/ communism general

>>139512733
Kys, commie. Isn't the estimated 100 million enough dead people for you to realize that communism is a retarded system that only works in theory?

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>>139514045

>>139514045

also, communism has never been reached

>>139514309
That's an unfair comparison. Common sense and history tell me that if the whole world were communist instead of capitalist, those numbers would WAY higher.

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of rebolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism aggording to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

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>>139514394
Yes it has, faggot.

>>139515479
Fucking jpg, where's the gif version?

>>139515224
Great post, only reason I open these threads.

Didn't Stalin kill several million of his own citizens?

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communism will win

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>>139515944
53 million estimated. Wasn't able to beat Mao's high score, though

>>139516304
communist with an iphone...lol.

>>139512733
why the fuck do you keep making these threads?

people aren't flocking to the alt-right or whatever the fuck you wanna call it because of ideology.People see others like Milo,AleX jONes,Sam Hyde, Gavin McInnes,etc

People aren't going to waste their time reading boring Marxist literature.I expected a leftie out of all(who has maaaaaaaaaaaybe heard of Gramsci) to understand that this is a Culture War.

You have shitty memes, have no footstep in the current culture, are shit at critiquing it and many other things.The only cool guy on your team is SNIFFMAN.Slavoj is based because he secretly gives 0 shits about being politically correct and not hurting LGBTQQQ++ retards.He's a fucking traditionalist just look at his tastes.


I want to know who you are IRL.What type of individual wastes their time like this.This is not even shitposting, my man.

Come up with an interesting leftist critique of current evens and people will listen.Keep being the sort of cuck that secretly sucks bolshevik cock without having the experience of living in a communist country and you're on your way to the dustbin of history.

kys senpai

>>139516304
She could be 10/10 (which isn't) but that flag behind her makes her 1/10.

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>be communist
>be so retarded that you think that the best first step to a stateless/classless society is an all-encompassing government.

>>139516304
Eww, the nose ring indicates that she is an SJW whore that probably has gonorrhea.

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>>139516466
imagine writing all this lol

>>139516659
>she

>>139516745
>Imagine being a Judeo Communist
Why can't you just accept the fact that Communism is Jewish?

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>>139515944
>doesn't this happen in the first phase of every country to achieve full communism
>yes

>doesn't this faggots own messiah tell him him he shouldn't be able to own the telecommunications he's typing on
>yes

>"PEACE!LAND!BREAD!" - Lenin, between 1905-1917 revolutinos
>"PEOPLE BEFORE PROFITS!" -modern day communist hook line used to rake in naive liberal arts students
>Both before and after the USSR exported food to pay for it's military machine it literally wanted to conquer and subjugate the world with
>When China under Mao did the same thing, but for civil purposes
>communists have the most proven track record of famining millions of people for temporary economic gain

>inb4 when over two billion people try something and fail, you can't say it hasn't been tried

communism failed every time

>>139514045
dont bother discussing with them, they're braindead
it was never real communism in their mind

>In order that the true meaning of things may not strike the goyim before the proper time, we shall mask it under an alleged ardent desire to serve the working classes… Protocols of Zion VI

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>>139516745
>communism hasn't lasted in any country it's taken root in for more than a century
>they all either turn to capitalism, turn into dictatorial dynasties, or turn break up and fracture into small capitalist client states

>capitalism evolved naturally from the older economic mode

>communism claims to be the next step. Everyday it becomes more outdated
>communists therefore want violent revolution because their prophet fucked up

>>139517676
>>communism claims to be the next step. Everyday it becomes more outdated
No, more relevant

>>139517366
the confederacy failed every time

>>139517781
>makes claim
>can't explain why he's claiming it

>>139517781
>No, more Jewish
Fixed that for you.

Communism is Jewish, after all. Even you can't deny that.

>>139517966
>makes claim
>can't explain why he's claiming it

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>>139516390

>53 millions

yeah, stalin killed almost half the population of the USSR himself

>>139514309
stupidest comparison ever. you commies sure are dumb

>>139518051
>Acts like a Judeo Communist
>Can't explain why Jews aren't responsible for Communism

>>139518223
>Posts a picture of a Jew
>Claims Communism isn't Jewish.

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>>139516304

added to the collection

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>>139517988
Wow, those finely minted integers, relevant to your own cause.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Jewish_Labour_Bund_in_Lithuania,_Poland_and_Russia

>>139515224
>https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
love these. best thing about these communist threads

GAY.

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>>139518543
Fucking amazing, I actually didn't have that link. Will add it to my collection.

Thanks, comrade. ;)

>>139518051
I already explained all my claims to you. Are you actually retarded?

I could give you sources, for instance, the sources you're supposed to have already read, but I certain this religion has taken you. You're too in love with your messiah. Your ten commandments are your Ethics for the Builders of Communism. You're son of the haunting spectre, Marx has taken root and become your opiate. His successor prophets only enhance the effect.

>>139518051
claim (noun)- an assertion of something as a fact

No, his wasn't a claim in the same way that your's was a claim.

>>139512733
its also a stage where the efficiency of the work that people put in falls drastically

>>139518834
Why is communism outdated then? It has been around for a long time as political theory and isn't going away anytime soon. In fact socialism and communism are seeing rising support right now.

>>139518414
Just saying, I bet she also has gonorrhea.

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In political/economic theory, notably socialist, Marxist, and most anarchist philosophies, the distinction between private and personal property is extremely important. Which items of property constitute which is open to debate. In some philosophies, such as capitalism, private and personal property are considered to be exactly equivalent.

Personal property includes "items intended for personal use" (e.g., clothes, homes, and vehicles, and sometimes money). It must be gained in a socially fair manner, and the owner has a distributive right to exclude others.
Private property is a social relationship between the owner and persons deprived (not a relationship between person and thing), e.g., artifacts, factories, mines, dams, infrastructure, natural vegetation, mountains, deserts, seas, etc. Marxism holds that a process of class conflict and revolutionary struggle could result in victory for the proletariat and the establishment of a communist society in which private property and ownership is abolished over time and the means of production and subsistence belong to the community. (Private property and ownership, in this context, means ownership of the means of production, not personal possessions).
To many socialists, the term private property refers to capital or the means of production, while personal property refers to consumer and non-capital goods and services.

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>>139518786
>tfw we can use the word comrade without being corny pretentious shits

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>>139519092
>Why is communism outdated then?
Because it's Jewish.

> It has been around for a long time as political theory and isn't going away anytime soon.
Communism sticks the Jews like shit. As long as the Jews exist, so will Communism.

>In fact socialism and communism are seeing rising support right now.
Because the Jewish media is oppressing any opposition to it.

What does size the means of production mean?

>>139519317
>>tfw we can use the word comrade without being corny pretentious shits
That's because our race, heritage, history and culture unites us.

Unlike judeo communists who call each other "comrade" even though they share nothing but a destructive, jewish ideology.

>>139517162
Honestly the other states in Eastern Europe didn't kill millions. The worst killed tens of thousands over 40-50 years.

>>139519092
It's because of highschool and college propaganda, Marxist professors do a shitty job of teaching about communism.

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>>139519659
>do a shitty job of teaching about communism
Seems to me America has a pretty bad understanding of socialism in general

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>>139519905
>Seems to me America has a pretty bad understanding of socialism in general
Yeah, most people don't even understand that it's Jewish.

>>139514309
niggers have been surviving in africa for centuries by living off of the land, before they had any white people helping them out.

explain to me why they can't do it now, by themselves, without the help of white people.

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>>139519368

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>>139520283
>before they had any white people helping them out.
Thats a funny way to describe colonialism

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>>139519092
It ALWAYS goes away soon. All countries end up leaving communism in one of three ways, which I've outlined above already.

>In fact socialism and communism are seeing rising support right now

In proportion to certain other ideologies, I'd disagree that it's significantly increasing. It's just becoming more visible with the LGBTQP+ intersectionalists and antifa.

Communism is outdated because:
1)Utility value doesn't and can't exist. Read kapital. The example given is triangles fitting inside triangles to draw a relation between materials. They didn't consider subjectivity based on personal value, or that not all materials have the same intrinsic worth.

2)countries with flat tax rates have actually done better at attracting investment over heavily progressive or even slightly progressively taxed countries. Mostly in eastern Europe now(ironically).

3)ALL transportation and comms are supposed to be controlled by the government. Not just means of production. Including the thing you're typing on.

Numbers 2 and 3 are in the Manifesto, back of ch2 is the list of ten things. Some of them are give-me's, like education. I'm sure you'll handwave this all somehow.

>Which items of property constitute which is open to debate

No it isn't. It all belongs to the individual that crafted or purchased them. What's so hard about the social contract we have for you?

Also, you messed this one up. Homes, including land rents, are NOT personal property. They become annexed by the communist government. Owning homes,houses, etc is not supposed to be allowed. The elite in communist societies still had their dachas and estates however-highlighting the truth that people will never allow themselves equality when they have the upper hand.

How do you differentiate private and personal? It's up to feels. That's right, feelings is the basis for social arrangement. Like you "feel" that homes and land should be purchasable, but your own prophets disagree with you.

THE SOCIALIST ARE EVERYTHING SHIT FUCKING KILLERS AND ANTI-CAPITALIST

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>>139520484
>Communism
That's a funny way to describe Judaism.

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Hello gomrades! X_DDddDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of ebin revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. X_-DDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :-DDDDd
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all FUG. When capitalists run away we win and I gill you all. Eventually the fungtions of state stob and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/hiwherearethefood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
https://www.islamiggommunism.gom/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :-DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. (BENIS :_DD)

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage 4
Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry. problems werent. :-DDdd

>>139520484
i love how people bring up the past and trying to make it relevant today
when all the people during that time period have died

>>139520602
I have no idea what this picture is trying to say

>>139520806
both /sg/ and /ptg/ can't stand leftists

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>>139520806
That your retarded and gay

>>139520801
Colonial debt still happens

>>139519597
wut

>be Yagoda
>purge millions of christians and property owners
>nothing
>be Yezhov
>architect mass removal of communist insiders, about a million, and build on Yagoda's work, killing millions more

>both turned Gulags into death camps

>in Hitlers talk with Mannerheim, he said that the German commanders brought back reports of what the USSR was like. "they lived like animals"

>be Ukrainian
>government steals land
>famine gets worse
>Soviet government exports food to pay for military expansion and technology
>millions die

>no religious, speech, or expression rights
>can't own more than clothes unless belonging to elite tier of communist party


>"they dindu nuffin"-anon

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>>139520806
>I have no idea what this picture is trying to say
I bet you sat that a lot.

>>139521000
Communism is still Jewish

>>139521098
>I bet you sat that a lot.
I don't watch tv, I have no idea what its from

Fuck off.

Communism is even worse than jewish controlled capitalism. The 1℅ still exists, but there is no middle class, everyone is equally poor except the 1℅. Authoritarian communism is beyond retarded. Example - USSR e.g. bolshevism.
Anarchistic communism might work in a small village which has access to all natural ressources, but often fails because people are selfish (example - african villages). More talented individuals get dragged down by the stupid ones.

So fuck off. Commies literally destroy cultures and traditions, slaugther almost whole countries sometimes.

>>139520484
>that pic
Why are leftists so utterly incapable of producing dank memes?

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>>139521432
pic related, you

>>139521245
>I don't watch tv, I have no idea what its from
lmao....you're stupid you don't even know when you're being insulted.

You still can't disprove the fact that Communism is Jewish. No amount of ignoring my posts will make Communism less Jewish

>>139516390
>53 million estimated
by whom?

>>139516390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3WH79my90s

>>139521000
>Colonial debt still happens
what countries for example?
sources?

>>139521571
I don't give a shit who is or isn't jewish, I know that might shock you anon

>>139519289
You are nothing but a useful idiot. "Abolishing" private property translates, in the real world, to all private private property being owned by the state, which is in turn controlled by Jewish finance capitalists.

All non-Jewish Communists and socialists are nothing more than useful idiots who seek the fulfillment of an ancient Talmudic prophecy without even realizing it.

There is a reason why almost all Jews are either Communists or Libertarian ideologues; both systems, if taken to their logical conclusion, will result in the fulfillment of this Talmudic prophecy - All property will be effectively controlled by Jews.

>>139521740
http://www.globalresearch.ca/frances-colonial-tax-still-enforced-for-africa-bleeding-africa-and-feeding-france/5547512

>The article called attention to an ongoing practice by which former African countries are forced to pay a colonial tax to France – even today. In fact, France continues to thrive on the practice, which extracts approximately 500 billion dollars from African countries each year.

>>139521098
>>139520723
>>139520098
>>139519525
>>139519345

>durr communism is bad because it's jewish
>let's have jews own all the capital instead so when automation takes over they own everything while im left to starve with no jobs!

You sound like a fucking retard.

>>139521098
im stealing this, dont mind me being black for a period of time

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>>139521743
>I don't give a shit who is or isn't jewish, I know that might shock you anon
Well that's why you're anti-White.

You think there's nothing wrong with the Jews and Communism being Jewish.

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>>139512733

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>>139521859
>>durr communism is bad because it's jewish
Correct.

>>let's have jews own all the capital instead so when automation takes over they own everything while im left to starve with no jobs!
Capitalism is just as Jewish as Communism.


>>139521879
>im stealing this, dont mind me being black for a period of time
Go right ahead.

>>139521730
I'm sure it also include WW2 soldiers, which is somewhat unfair, but TBF Stalin used them as machines rather than treating them as people (therefore many died unnecessarily).

>>139521809
alright, these 14 coutries have it shit,
what about the rest?

>>139514309
> some bimbo is stupid enough to have three kids with a criminal
> she feeds them some poisonous shit
> she and the kids die
> somehow this is everyone else's fault for not giving them free shit and it's obviously not caused by idiots simply dying for lack of responsibility
> "muh easily preventable!"

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>>139515584

>>139522297
USSR lost up to 30kk in total during WW2. What about 20kk then?

>>139522533
Thank you.

>>139522465
Heres a paper, a little long though

http://trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1182&context=utk_chanhonoproj

The effects of colonialism are well documented and have effects to this day

>>139522052
>>139521884
I refuse to believe that any real person can be delusional to such an extreme degree.

>>139522892
>I refuse to believe that any real person can be delusional to such an extreme degree.
Anti-Semitism
https://marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm
http://archive.is/XxRXf
>In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

>>139522805
this paper is a nice source to show how the Europeans didn't start the slave trade in Africa, how nice
>The
Atlantic
slave
trade
existed
in
Africa
for
over
three
hundred
years
and
introduced
to
the
continent
sophisticated
systems
of
credit
and
exchange.
Although
these
markets
existed
prior
to
the
trade,
the
great
increase
in
trading
brought
about
by
European
demand
for
slaves
stimulated
their
further
development.

>>139523301
fuck you moron, you didn't read the paper in that time

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>>139516745

>>139522662
The other 20 million starved to death in man-made famines, mass executions, forced labor camps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

>>139523301
>>139522805
the paper also states that colonialism lasted about 80 years

>>139523415
that shit is on the 3rd fucking page you moron, in big thicc as fuk letters

>>139522805
You might have had an argument before America elected a black president who engineered the migration crisis, but now Africans legitimately owe France billions in reparations for shitting all over their cities, not to mention their genetic pool.

>>139519289
If people can't own what they make nobody will do shit.

>>139523700
Doesn't matter how long, the effects of something don't stop being felt as soon as the thing itself stops.

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"To each according to his contribution" is a principle of distribution considered to be one of the defining features of socialism.

The principle has its roots in the way that capitalism manages its affairs. That is, each is rewarded according to how much he produces. Remuneration increases as the amount of labor contributed increases. However within capitalism, the means of production are owned by a small minority who do not produce, but rather live off the labor of others. Socialism is said to remedy this by putting the means of production in common hands and rewarding individuals according to their contributions.

>>139523911

people own personal property

>>139523554
>man-made famines
No evidence. Famines in Russia were a usual thing before bolsheviks.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
According to Khrushev (who was trying to reveal "stalin's crimes") about 400k.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
So people dying in prisons can be considered as victims of the regime now?

>>139523960
yea thats the truth, after communism was abolished in Poland it still remains a shit hole compared to all the Capitalist Countries

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>>139523960
Here's an excellent example from Germany and how Communism did shit

>>139522892
>>139523193
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

The Jewish Autonomous Oblast, which, to this day is still the only autonomous oblast in all of Russia, proves how Jewish the Soviet state really was. While Jewish NKVD leaders starved scores of millions to death in famines and millions more froze in the Gulags, the Jews had their own autonomous region where the rules of Communism did not apply to them.

"Communism" is for you, and you alone, Goyim.

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>>139512733

>>139523415
This isn't even a rebuttal. Address what he said, you pathetic weasel.

>>139524493
What I was saying has ZERO to do with the slave trade or his comment you mong

>>139517842
Because it lost a war not because it's people starved to death and its economy collapsed you fucking retard.

>>139523985
>the means of production are owned by a small minority who do not produce

They arrange, organize and do the business required for the business to operate, they acquired the ownership of their "mean of production" (tools, materials, factory?) by either making it all by themselves or trading with the makers of such things.

Look at Locke's labor theory of property.

There are primal and non primal means of production, primal is when you built something, non-primal is when you exchanged something you made for it.

Capitalism runs on mass systemic trading as a result of a free people and free markets.

> and rewarding individuals according to their contributions.

Except this already happens in capitalism, your contribution is determined by it's societal value, i.e. demand, and you can bargain accordingly.

>>139524091
Click the first link, dummy. If you deny the Holomodor, then you're just like those who completely deny the Holocaust.
Here's a very long video on the gulags, I didn't actually watch it, but I thing the point is that the gulags were Soviet concentration camps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w84uRYq0Uc8

>>139524287
>Patton's baby did the best
He smiles down on the region, for his job is done

>>139524838
>but I thing the point is that the gulags were Soviet concentration camps
They weren't and they were also abolished shortly after the end of WW2

>>139524091
>No evidence. Famines in Russia were a usual thing before bolsheviks.
You deserve to starve for telling lies like this. When law and order breaks down in this country I will personally torture and execute anyone with your views, and I won't be the only one either.

>>139524091
>So people dying in prisons can be considered as victims of the regime now?
You hold Hitler accountable for every death that occurred in his prisons. Communists should be held to the same standards but of course you don't agree, because you don't really believe in equality. I know you think you do, but you're just lying to yourself.

>>139524070
In a socialist property system nobody will ever make something that they cannot immediately use, which will reduce people to only working for themselves, rooting out the specialization of skills produced by capitalism, were people specialize into making certain products with quality due to them being able to trade them for what they aren't good at making.

A socialist property system is inherently immoral due to the maker of a product having no right to it unless he can use it, which leads to the start of my comment again.

>>139524831
>the means of production are owned by a small minority who do not produce
That's exactly what the (((Politburo))) is.

>>139524070
Also personal property is subjective, what you consider personal vs private is up to different opinions and as such will lead to never-ending conflict.

>>139524655
im not even fully sure what we're debating
but while im at throwing shit at Africa
here are some sources considering Zimbabwe
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-132955/Mugabe-warns-white-farmers-clear-out.html


https://zimbabwe-today.com/zimbabwe-begs-white-farmers-return-country-plunges-famine/

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/zimbabwe-pleads-cash-stop-mass-starvation-160209181824106.html

Africa is and was a shit place, South Africa is having ideas to re-do Science without Colonialism doing everything from scratch, from the point of view of Africa

>>139525432
>im not even fully sure what we're debating
We weren't debating anything
I made a post about African countries being exploited by France.
You said it didn't matter because it was in the past, which is wrong, it happens now.
Then you asked about the non-french colonies, I linked a paper about the economic effects of colonialism in Africa.
Then you said something about the slave trade which is irrelevant. The end.

>>139525048
Fuck you. I know people who were in Siberian labor camps in the mid 80's. I knew a Soviet veteran who fought in WW2, who was thrown in a Gulag in the 80's for possessing Hollywood movies he bought on the black market. He was 90 pounds when he left prison.

I hope you've never pirated a movie.

>>139525375
Google time preference, retard

>>139525048
fuck you moron, you didn't watch the video in that time

>>139525432
Yeah Mugabe seems like a piece of shit, so?

>>139525800
I don't need to, I was replying to what he wrote, not the video

>>139525375
alright imagine 2 scenarios
both scenarios are about digging holes
each 1km of holes is worth 50$
1. scenario
you have a very small company (you're alone) and you can dig 1km of holes each day for that you get 50$
2. scenario
You join a company, they have heavy machinery, you dig with the heavy machinery about 5km of holes
the owner of this company gives you 100$

the worker made more money while doing less physical work, a win/win situation for both the worker and the owner of the company

>>139524838
>Click the first link, dummy
>implying I dont know what argements it contains
>If you deny the Holomodor
I dont. It took place, but it wasnt a man made famine as many try to portray.

>>139521730
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

>>139525756
I am pointing this out not for the (((Communists))) to read, but for everyone else. These subhumans will believe whatever they want and can't be reasoned with.

The only point in arguing with a Communist is to show everyone listening how stupid they are. They do not believe in logic, as this thread proves, so make a mockery of them and move on. Convincing them is a pointless effort.

>>139525928
That's me forgetting to change the flag. I was playing on >>139523415

>>139525375
The first one is smart enough on how to deal with people and organize free willed people to do business with each other in a way were he gets a cut.

The one at the bottom is a normal guy who only knows how to perform certain tasks, so he will do business and cooperate with other people organized by the business man and I get paid.

> my true creative potentials are stifled by the rule of capital but there are no other means of sustenance so I endure

If your creativity is so fucking shit and useless that it helps nobody so people won't pay you for it, then reconsider your "creativity".

Socialism is a selfish ideology, you don't get free shit because you think you're creative, if your labor is not wanted or needed by anybody, then nobody will pay for it.

Capitalism makes it so everyone has to fulfill each other's demand for trade to flow and the people to prosper.

>>139512733
lol you are in the wrong place to be a communist retard

>>139526219
>They do not believe in logic
Personal anecdotes are not logic

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Remember comrades

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If someone were to come to my front door and tell me to relinquish my private property any my rights to slave away for a vanguard party promising vague and ill-planned utopias, I'd say they're probably a cultist and they should get off my land.

Fuck off, we don't want what you're selling.

>>139525855
nothing, it's just cementing my views of Africa being a shit place

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>>139526388

Because you say so?

>>139526168
Nobody is forcing you to accept employment with someone who says he owns your work or your wife, dumbass. Take a different job if you don't like the terms somebody is offering.

>>139526501
>pic
Plenty of Irish fled during the famine, under capitalism

>>139525098
>I will personally torture and execute anyone with your views, and I won't be the only one either.
Or you will end up being tortured and murdered by leftists. Who knows.
>You hold Hitler accountable for every death that occurred in his prisons
Simply because nazis threw people in jails and camps just for being "subhumans". While the majority of gulag's population was ususal criminals.

>>139526168
Of course he is entitled to what you create if you've signed a contract with him. If you don't want this to happen, you can work on your own. This is about the dumbest thing I've seen today.

>>139526676
we cant even throw shit at Communist countries because you'll say not real Communism

>>139526191
Um, actually it was man-made. 16 countries accept that it was a genocide by the Soviets against the Ukrainians.

http://www.holodomoreducation.org/news.php/news/4

>>139525375
Also workers never get "less than the value of their labor" because the value of such labor isn't decided at the front sale but it's decided at the employment interview.

And of course, if the business man won't benefit from your work why should he hire you, both parties need to offer what each other wants in turn for an exchange to happen, you cannot expect your employer to hire you with a flat 0.00 margin of profit, he wants something so do you, so you compromise because you're both civil human beings who respect each others and won't point guns at each other like animals.

>>139526427
Proof you don't believe in (or even understand) logic. You think "slippery slope" is a "logical fallacy" too, because you are stupid and your understanding of logic is literally that of a sophomore in college.

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A communist society would free individuals from long working hours by first automating production to an extent that the average length of the working day is reduced and second by eliminating the exploitation inherent in the division between workers and owners. A communist system would thus free individuals from alienation in the sense of having one's life structured around survival (making a wage or salary in a capitalist system), which Marx referred to as a transition from the "realm of necessity" to the "realm of freedom." As a result, a communist society is envisioned as being composed of an intellectually-inclined population with both the time and resources to pursue its creative hobbies and genuine interests, and to contribute to creative social wealth in this manner. Karl Marx considered "true richness" to be the amount of time one has at his or her disposal to pursue one's creative passions. Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.

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>>139526676
>Emigration during the famine years of 1845–1850 was to England, Scotland, South Wales, North America, and Australia. By 1851, about a quarter of Liverpool's population was Irish-born. Many of those fleeing to the Americas used the well-established McCorkell Line.
If they were fleeing capitalism, they probably could have picked better countries to flee to.

>>139526168
And of course, if the business man won't benefit from your work why should he hire you, both parties need to offer what each other wants in turn for an exchange to happen, you cannot expect your employer to hire you with a flat $0.00 margin of profit, he wants something so do you, so you compromise and make a deal because you're both civil human beings who respect each others and won't point guns at each other like animals to get what you want.

>>139526676
The Jewish financed Oliver Cromwell regime is exactly why everyone hates Jewish lead political movements like (((Communism))).

>>139526822
>genocide by the Soviets against the Ukrainians
Hilarious. The ukranian communist party was the largest republican party in the USSR, but according to a bunch of retards they just genocided themselves.
>16 countries accept
Not an argument. Of course they did, just due to ideological reasons.

>>139527028
yea but you need AI advances as shit to create such Communism, like AI that wont be available during your lifetime, why create Communism now?

>>139527028
>ignoring the fact that there's absolutely no motivation to actually put any effort into the work one does

>>139512733
Thanks to spurdo-translate anon, it's impossible for me to read this post in anything but a stuffy nosed Spurdo mind voice. GG anon!
Btw you commies are faggets, if you're ever feeling froggy, leap little tadpoles >:^)"

>>139527028
>A communist system would thus free individuals from alienation in the sense of having one's life structured around survival

Survival is what life is about you fucking moron, you cannot just enslave people to work for others' "freedom".

> Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.

No, it's not individualistic it's egoistic, he wants others to work and maintain his leech lifestyle, just like he actually did in real life.

Fucking moron.

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>give me your redpills /leftypol/
Specifically, the work you do is always worth more than what you are paid, because the capitalist can sell whatever it is you produce for more than you were paid in wages. The productive forces of our society are controlled by a tiny elite instead of by the people, so what ends up happening is that millions of proles sweat their lives away while the porky bastards windsurf in Hawaii.
To put it in terms you might be more familiar with, capitalists are the ultimate welfare queens.
>my stance on hatred of jews and niggers will never change.
To say that your position on any topic will never change is to declare yourself to be beyond reason. That said, those "jews" and "evil niggers" are your natural allies regardless of what you think about them, because they are being exploited just like you are. The leftist position on racism is as much about pragmatism as it is about a commitment to equality.

The basic gist is that capitalism is inherintly broken.
Companies want to make as much money as possible which means paying works the smallest amount possible.
Eventually workers can't afford to buy things, meaning the whole system collapses.
Currently with automation we are going to see a huge loss of jobs that will make the concept of full employment obsolete - so who is going to buy things?
Communism isn't some grand fucking conspiracy about race or western civilization - its just a question of economics.

>>139520764
Thanks

>>139518133
If you sage then post an image you still bump the thread. I've tested this, it's true

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>>139526219
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...............What about the Khmer Rouge, an agrarian socialist state, that tried to do it, but killed 1/3 of its population in 6 years, killed everyone who was smarter than a 9th grader, and ANYONE who wore glasses, that banished hospitals, schools, trade, currency, religion, and any electronics, force people onto farms, dd a Year Zero where the destroyed everything before it, killed anyone of the following:
Smart people
Bankers
Ethnic minorities
Intellectuals
Old government people

And also had one camp that out of 20000 people, only 7 survived. It was one of 150
WHAT Went Wrong??????????????????????????

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This is from 1980..................................................hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??????????????????????????

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>>139516745
>They hated Karl, because he was their father, then four of them died, later two more killed themselves because they couldn't handle all the retardation.

FTFY

I would love to genocide communists.

>>139527487
>Specifically, the work you do is always worth more than what you are paid, because the capitalist can sell whatever it is you produce for more than you were paid in wages.

Of course, the employer also needs to profit. You work and he sells it for you and makes some use of it. It's a voluntary exchange. You can do this on your own if you wish.

>The productive forces of our society are controlled by a tiny elite instead of by the people
Those "elites" are also only people. You can join them if you got what it takes, but you obviously don't because you support communism and anyone who does so is usually retarded.

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Oh yeah, how come the word 'gulag' is a normal word

>>139528056
you cant kill them,
its impossible to kill stupidity

>>139526693
>While the majority of gulag's population was ususal criminals.
No, they were random people rounded up by police who acted like dog catchers so they could fill their quotas.

You complain that America has a prison system with a built in incentive to put people in jail, but you don't care that the USSR did the same thing on a larger scale.

Typical communist hypocrisy. You are so delusional that you say this AFTER you admit to the crimes leftist movements have committed repeatedly

>Or you will end up being tortured and murdered by leftists. Who knows.

You know damn well how leftists behave and then deny it in your next breath. Every argument with you scumbags is exactly like this. You don't care about anything but "winning".

At least I can find comfort knowing that you will be the first ones executed regardless of who wins in the long run. If I win we will certainly have you executed (precisely for being a subhuman) and if you win, you will be executed immediately for being an existential threat to the new authorities.

>>139528185
This map was made by a LABOR UNION. HMMMMMMMMMMMM, if unions did this, then you will contradict yourself. HMMMMMMMMmm

>>139528269
>you cant kill them,

I disagree.

alright imagine 2 scenarios
both scenarios are about digging holes
each 1km of holes is worth 50$
1. scenario
you have a very small company (you're alone) and you can dig 1km of holes each day for that you get 50$
2. scenario
You join a company, they have heavy machinery, you dig with the heavy machinery about 5km of holes
the owner of this company gives you 100$

the worker made more money while doing less physical work, a win/win situation for both the worker and the owner of the company
even while the worker is being "exploited" he earns more and works less

>>139527274
Maybe you're right, we can't really know. Still, if it wasn't man-made then it was the result of communism's inherent shittyness, since it was so incapable of feeding its people that 7-10 million people starved to death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

>>139528536
*shittiness

These leftist dipshits dont realize that capitalism is the SAME FUCKING REASON WHY YOU ARE ON /POL/ YOU MORON. THESE AREN'T MADE THE GOVERNMENT, BUT BY A PRIVATE COMPANY

>>139527028
http://gulaghistory.org/nps/onlineexhibit/stalin/crimes.php

>In the Stalin era, a person who arrived late to work three times could be sent to the Gulag for three years.

>>139528659
Also why do you think gulag is a word?

>>139528490
>the worker made more money while doing less physical work, a win/win situation for both the worker and the owner of the company
>even while the worker is being "exploited" he earns more and works less

Communists will say that the worker 'owns' the machine, because he puts his labor into it to create the final result.

Yes, they are retarded. Communists should all be killed.

>>139512733
pls leave, this is embarissing

>>139528630
This, everything is controlled by the government in communist societies.

>>139528292
>No, they were random people rounded up by police who acted like dog catchers so they could fill their quotas.
Indeed. I wonder where you read that.
>You complain that America
I dont. In fact, I dont really care about things inside America.

>>139528762
You give a group all power to dissolve it. By logic, they wont give it up, because why do they want to remove so much powerful, and be ordinary. Hm

>>139527274
>>139528536
It was man made, or at least deliberately exacerbated. Stalin deliberately refused to provide food aid to Ukraine even after he began providing it to the rest of the USSR.

Ukraine has a strong tradition of nationalism, which is a threat to Communism, so they had to be "brought to heel".

>>139529101
Thank you, I knew nothing on the subject.

>>139528762
>Yes, they are retarded. Communists should all be killed.
They belong in prison. It's exactly what they are asking for. Free shelter, free food, guaranteed employment and guaranteed equality of wages.

>>139528536
>result of communism's inherent shittyness
Russian inherent shittyness. And it took some time for the bolsheviks to fix it.
>>139529101
>Stalin deliberately refused
He actually ordered to provide help to famine ridden areas.
>which is a threat to Communism
Bullshit. Really, educate yourself regarding soviet history.

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Labour Theory of Value (LTV):

Non arguments:

>If I dig a hole in my backyard and then fill it in I used labor but made no value! Commies BTFO!

Marx clarified (unlike adam smith) that only socially nessary labor (labor used to produce a commodity with use value) creates value. This is also the case if you spend 1000 years making a bed.

>Nature can create value as well. If an apple falls from a tree then value is created without labor

Marx also noted nature could create value.

>if labor determines price why is coca cola cheaper than bottled water?

Labor doesn't determine price. It determines value (not exchange value or use value) and correlates with the equilibrium price. Supply and demand determine price.

Machines cannot create value. If I make a machine that makes diamonds out of thin air then the value of a diamond falls below that of bricks now that they can be aquired with no work what so ever. Price might not fall because you can still manipulate supply and demand but value certainly does.

Some definitions.

Use value = How useful an object is.
Exchange value = Market value of a commodity. Different from use value. You can sell a beanie baby for 200$ but it is almost completely useless.
Value = the amount of congealed labor withing a commodity.


Some evidence of the LTV
http://users.wfu.edu/cottrell/eea97.pdf

>>139528911
Yes, why do you think government businesses fail, because they have no need for innovation. They also don't cut costs, as they can spend as much money as they want to. In a business, you must be wise with your money, and create cheap, yet effective goods to maximize profit and quality. In the oligopoly or a monopoly, there is no need to innovate, and you can have the same shit but increase prices. You see the oligopoly and monopoly are what the communists call 'capitalism'. You see, there are laws to not do this and to create quality products, and for the buyer. So don't fucking use it as an umbrella term, as with communism, there are many types of capitalism. Such as corporatism, laissez-faire capitalism, state capitalism (China is state capitalist), Anarcho-capitalism, libertarianism. Don't treat us as a monolith

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>>139527042
But don't use history, facts and reason.. It totally destroys his argument.. KEK!

>>139529379
I just don't get it. They can work the same way they would in a communist state and get even more money, because communist economy is always much worse than the capitalist one. There is no difference from the viewpoint of the worker himself. Except for the fact that you are actually motivated to work, because the more competent workers get more money. So is it just jealousy? Or do they want to get paid for slacking off and believe this is sustainable in the long run? I just can't understand what goes on in a brain of a communist.

I've found it's easier to fight nazis if you suck all of the cum out of them first. Anyone else have some tips?

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>>139527042
>>139529949
No it doesn't. Tell me what non-capitalist country they could have possibly fled to

>>139529376
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

>The Ukrainian portion of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–1933 is sometimes referred to as the Ukrainian Genocide, implying it was engineered by the Soviet government, specifically targeting the Ukrainian people to destroy the Ukrainian nation as a political factor and social entity.[409][410][411][412] While historians continue to disagree whether the policies that led to Holodomor fall under the legal definition of genocide, twenty-six countries have officially recognized the Holodomor as such. On 28 November 2006, the Ukrainian Parliament approved a bill declaring the Soviet-era forced famine an act of genocide against the Ukrainian people.[413] Michael Ellman believes that Ukrainians were victims of genocide in 1932–33 according to a more relaxed definition that is favoured by some specialists in the field of genocide studies. He asserts that Soviet policies greatly exacerbated the famine's death toll. Although 1.8 million tonnes of grain were exported during the height of the starvation, enough to feed 5 million people for one year, Ellman believes that the use of torture and execution to extract grain under the Law of Spikelets, the use of force to prevent starving peasants from fleeing the worst-affected areas and the refusal to import grain or secure international humanitarian aid to alleviate conditions led to human suffering in the Ukraine. Ellman claims that Stalin intended to use the starvation as a cheap and efficient means (as opposed to deportations and shootings) to kill off those deemed to be "counterrevolutionaries," "idlers," and "thieves," but not to annihilate the Ukrainian peasantry as a whole. Ellman also claims that, while this was not the only Soviet genocide (e.g., the Polish operation of the NKVD), it was the worst in terms of mass casualties.[394]

>Current estimates on the total number of casualties within Soviet Ukraine range mostly from 2.2 million[414][415] to 4 to 5 million

>>139529857
That theory is flawed, as its supply and demand that is true, that's why Apple's iPhone is so expensive. It is because there is not that much around. Learn it, that is why Zimbabwe's money is shit, because there is so much.

>>139530196
probably something else than the country that is the fucking image of Capitalism

>>139530196
None, as there wasn't, dum dum

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Stop a communist, support a farmer.

>>139530461
>they probably could have picked better countries to flee to
Exactly my point. Thank you

>>139529675
>He actually ordered to provide help to famine ridden areas.
With the exception of Ukraine in particular. His "help" came only after the famine had become extremely severe and he still refused all aid to Ukraine even after approving it for the rest of the USSR.

>>139529675
>>which is a threat to Communism
>Bullshit. Really, educate yourself regarding soviet history.
LOL. You people will just say absolutely anything. You have no shame.

>>139530427
They went to America and England mostly because they are the two countries across the water in both directions, no other reason

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>>139530196

If there were no non-capitalist nations, then they couldn't of been fleeing Capitalism then could they!?! Q.E.D.

>>139530041
>So is it just jealousy? Or do they want to get paid for slacking off and believe this is sustainable in the long run?
I think it's a combination of these two things. Expecting to get paid for slacking off inevitably leads to jealousy and they probably reinforce each other.

>>139530553
its funny how you correlate capitalism to famine while today people are fat in capitalist countries
while people in socialist countries die not because a famine but because if socialism

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Why did Stalin kill so many farmers?

>>139530255
So they killed another 2-7 million people in Soviet Russia? The numbers don't seem to add up.

>The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Гoлoдoмóp)[a] was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 that killed an officially estimated 7 million to 10 million people.[11] It was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–33, which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country.

>During the Holodomor millions of inhabitants of Ukraine, the majority of whom were ethnic Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[12] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by Ukraine[13] and 15 [it says 16 on the side bar] other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet government.[14]

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>>139530553
No your POINT was they were fleeing CAPITALISM.. Which is total bullshit, by your own admission.

>>139531071
source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

>>139530713
>>139530754
>>139530805
>>139530841
This is probably a good idea at this point but we should replace the spiderman pictures with unrelated redpills. Default to lolocaust denial redpills or pizzagate redpills if you can't think of anything.

>>139530593
>severe and he still refused all aid to Ukraine even after approving it for the rest of the USSR.
Documents say otherwise.

>>139531049

so the people couldnt feed themselves with government.

>>139530805
KEK! Based Spidey!

>>139527042
Let me go further. The Potato Famine was caused by potato blight a fungus that was spreading across Europe, yet it hit it bad for Ireland as it was extremely dependent for potatoes, and this resulted in a substantial number of deaths and migrations to which, the population of Ireland still suffers from, and the reason why the migrated as the situation wasn't getting better, despite the fact that massive quantities of butter, wheat, grain, and bacon, and the British had laws banning corn imports. They escaped to escape the famine

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>>139531151

Even loser communists won't flee capitalism.

>>139531049
People who can produce their own food are independent and that is a threat to a totalitarian state. More importantly, however, Talmudic prophecy is not fulfilled if property exists in the hands of anyone other than a Jew, anywhere on earth.

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>>139531268
Why don't you show them, then?

>>139531151
NO DIPSHIT, they were fleeing a FAMINE, a FAMINE caused by a fungus.

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>>139529101
>Ukraine has a strong tradition of nationalism, which is a threat to Communism, so they had to be "brought to heel".
This is historical revisionism. Ukrainian nationalism only had a real presence in the recently acquired Western parts of Ukraine, where the famine didn't even touch. The famine mostly hit the areas that were culturally Russian and already loyal to Stalin.

The only people who were deliberately targeted were the Kulaks, and they were not exclusively Ukrainian. It was class warfare; he was targeting the wealthy land owners, in true communist spirit.

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>>139531186
Let's derail this idiotic discussion with random redpills

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>>139531381
Yes, as they are too dependent on the tit of the government, yet in the USSR, most stores were empty. You are so dependent on mommy and daddy, yet they work, unlike you brats/

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>>139531822
lets derail this discussion with a picture of a red pill

>>139531746
Leading to this conclusion->>>139528536

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>Capitalism
>Make so much food you can feed yourself
>your family
>Your animals
>Other people and animals
>Make fuel for cars
>Communists can't even make enough food to feed themselves
Anyone still want to be a communist?

>>139531706
They were allowed to flee, too, unlike in the USSR, where they forced you at gunpoint to stay in your starving villages.

He asserts that Soviet policies greatly exacerbated the famine's death toll. Although 1.8 million tonnes of grain were exported during the height of the starvation, enough to feed 5 million people for one year, Ellman believes that the use of torture and execution to extract grain under the Law of Spikelets, ***the use of force to prevent starving peasants from fleeing the worst-affected areas*** and the refusal to import grain or secure international humanitarian aid to alleviate conditions led to human suffering in the Ukraine. Ellman claims that Stalin intended to use the starvation as a cheap and efficient means (as opposed to deportations and shootings) to kill off those deemed to be "counterrevolutionaries," "idlers," and "thieves," but not to annihilate the Ukrainian peasantry as a whole.

>>139530907
I think you might be right. I always come to these threads looking for some genuine debate and argumentation, I want to be able to at least understand those people and get where they are coming from. But they all are a bunch of lazy, delusional idiots. I say let's go back to your original idea and lock them up somewhere, they won't be producing any value in their lives anyway.

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>>139531822

>James Alefantis of Comet Ping Pong and his former boyfriend David Brock, the head of Media Matter for America, are connected to the convicted child trafficker Laura Silsby, who was jailed for abducting 33 children from a Haitian orphanage, through the lawyer Max Maccoby who handled Alefantis' and Brocks' $850,000 blackmail case (gee, I wonder what that was about?). Max Maccoby sits on the board of directors of an orphanage called "Friends of the Orphans".

>According to an interview with Laura Silsbys own Lawyer, Jorge Puello, who was himself wanted by Interpol for sex trafficking crimes and was later caught and convicted, the orphanage that Silsby was caught stealing children from was called "Friends of the Orphans of Haiti".

>Hillary Clinton has inserted herself into the Silsby/Alefantis/Maccoby triangle in at least two separate ways. First, Wikileaks shows her campaign has done fundraisers at Comet Ping Pong; second, while Secretary of State, Clinton personally intervened to get Laura Silsby out of Haitian prison after she was convicted.

>This constitutes proof beyond a reasonable doubt that elite human trafficking rings exist which serve (and likely blackmail) politicians, wealthy businessmen and other influential people.

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>>139531672
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>>139532120
>Future
>tries to make Communism today
>wonders why people don''t like him

>>139512733
OP 1 question
if you got to political power, what would you do?

>>139532513

You can't create communism today, or tomorrow, it needs generations of global socialism first. One by one all nations have to become socialist states.

>>139532433
Something about migrant NGOs, and the Truth about the origins of Islamic terrorism

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>>139532975
THEN THE WHOLE WORLD IS A SHIT HOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW how pathetic

>>139532975
Venezuela became Socialist
that went well

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>>139532120
What a bunch of nonsense. How can a communist country even be directly democratic? Get back to reality, this is how a communism looks like, not like your picture.

Not sure if the right thread but, where can i find more about (i guess it is) communism without the all races are equal? I cant explain but i guess im thinking of a cleansed communism, where after the population has been filtered (no more people who cant survive capitalism and what else), it should change to a communist place. sorry bad idea expression, ill try to clarify if you ask

>>139532120
"Capitalism" we have today, isn't REAL Capitalism... Its crony capitalism infected by interest groups, primarily socialists!

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>>139533096

No they didn't, there is private property, most of it in fact.

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>>139533154
Nazbol?

>>139533230
shhh, for them there is only 1 version of Capitalism, the bad kind
who cares true capitalism creates more wealth than Socialism and Communism combined

>>139532975

>Global socialism
Why does it need to be global? Why aren't you good enough to it on your own? Seriously, do you understand that there are societies of people who cannot do socialism let alone agrarian, state run, capitalism, or any other type of system.

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>>139532505
Translation? Just because *eventually* Stalin provided food aid does nothing to disprove the fact that it was withheld, first from the USSR as a whole and later from the Ukraine specifically, nor does it disprove the fact that the famines severity was caused by Soviet policies of dekulakisation.

Yes, Stalin is eventually on record providing aid to the people he deliberately starved. Do you also give credit to the Chinese Communist Party for "lifting their people out of poverty" after they placed them in miserable poverty in the first place?

No need to answer that. Of course you do.

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>>139533230

We live in the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. And socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat.

>>139532975
Really, you fucker usually just promote killing anyone with any sense of wealth or ability.

What you some sort of pussy communist?!

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>>139533350
was it, dare I say it, not a true communism?

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>>139532433
John Podestas father was a pedophile.

>>139533350

Is this yet another no true Scotsman? Seriously, own your failings and take your punch on the chin. Venezuela was the beacon of hope for communists everywhere. Or are we going to pretend that never happened?

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>>139512733
>socialism
"i don't care if you worked hard your whole life for your wealth it belongs to everyone"

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>>139533602

>Proletariat
You aren't even employed, you aren't a proletariat.

>>139518558
Someone is actually spending money on a domain name and hosting to try and fight a troll thread

That's hilarious

>>139533558
>Translation?
It basically about providing food help. And there is a lot of such documents, I just posted 2 of them
>eventually
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>20 March, 1932

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>>139533602
This is a stupid description. In reality all you seek is to get ethnic minority groups to gang up on and oppress the ethnic majority in a given society. Check the heads of the NKVD, or the people leading your silly identity politic movements today. They are all jealous ethnic minorities being incited to violence by Jews against ethnic majorities. Everything you are saying is just a facade to mask the aforementioned reality.

>>139534227
big if true

>>139533816

social democracy is usually called socialism but it is not marxian socialism, is like when nazis call themselves socialists but they obviously aren't marxists. It's not my fault that people use the same word for completely different things

>>139533602
>dictatorship

Yeah, see that sort of thinking is the fucking problem.

>>139512733
Commies kept trying again and again their utopistic genocides, simply because they were not genocided...yet. This time to start doing that. commies have to be all massacred, and enanct laws to apply death sentence for advocacy for communism. Happily ever after.

>>139533350
http://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Latin-America/Venezuela/property-rights-index

https://panampost.com/trino-marquez/2013/10/15/venezuela-does-private-property-even-exist-there/

http://www.heritage.org/index/country/venezuela

ignore that it is from PragerU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCIdm3cM6zQ

sage you dumb gibsman

>>139534321
Its not a literal dictatorship

>>139534184
This kills the commun... oh wait, it wasn't real communism, the crisis has been averted.

>>139534227
I was going to use 'Tyranny of the minority'.

But using that sort of language makes these fuckers hard.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/335957/frances-brain-and-wealth-drain-veronique-de-rugy

>>139533468
it has to be global because capitalist countries would be doing better
duh?

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daily Mosley love thread

post your rare mosleys!!

>>139534055
>It basically about providing food help.

To Ukraine?
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>>20 March, 1932
And why would he need to provide this food help if, "According to British historian Alan Bullock, "***the total Soviet grain crop was no worse than that of 1931*** ... it was not a crop failure but the excessive demands of the state, ruthlessly enforced, that cost the lives of as many as five million Ukrainian peasants."

The Soviet collectivization policies lead directly to the starvation of millions of people, both in the Ukraine and in the greater USSR. When "The worst crop failure of late tsarist Russia, in 1892, had caused 375,000 to 400,000 deaths", there is absolutely no reason why a crop yield comparable with 1931 should have resulted in the death of five million people in 1932.

>>139516745
Imagine being such an ideologue you actually believed this.

>>139533378
Thanks for the answer anon, but i guess im too naive about politics and since i cant find anything online im still not sure

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>>139534531

They can try it all they want but it doesn't work. Minorities are still minorities, just look at the US. Communists have been trying to organize all the minorities that they can and they still fail. There is no way to unite these people, some of these groups conflict, these people are too dumb, poor, or stupid to compete. Then there are minorities like Asians who actively oppose shit minority groups.

>>139534478
Oppression of the singular.
Oppression of the masses.

Still the same fucking thing..

>>139535120
Ironically, the only thing that has been proven unsustainable so far is communism

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Got banned for posting spiderman yet commies run free. The absolute state of /pol/ is deplorable.

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>>139515224
pretty much this, communism is very appealing for losers

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>>139534478
Yes it literally is. Every single attempt at socialism has always resulted in a totalitarian state regardless of where in the world it happened.

That's literally what you want. A totalitarian state. You are only saying otherwise to gain points for your side in a debate. Stop lying.

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>>139534478
Yet somehow, all communist societies have been run by dictators and/or oligarchies. Today the "socialist" societies (which by the way only function in super-rich, low-population nations such as Sweden) are run by elitist libtard oligarchs.