Is college a scam?

>>139503605
College is a scam but the real redpill is population. Whatever is expected to make money will be saturated in 7 years, something new needs more people, and the cycle continues. But it's never going to go back to a point when most people had good work.

>>139503605
NO!

>1 year tech school
Those don't exist. You can go to a CC but rarely do they have trades programs other than something like Automotive Technology.

Or you can go to ITT Tech or some other bullshit private trade school that are even more expensive than the Universities

Apprenticeships ate highly competitive. You either to know somebody or you need a degree to stand out, which defeats the purpose

>>139503995
Kek

>>139503605
just be good at what you do, even the meager wage cuck can attain success by just applying themselves.

modern 'colleges' are indeed a scam and a weaponized blue pill.

>>139503605
maybe in USA. other countries were you don't get assfucked with debt is alright

>>139503605
>Megan is knocked by some nigger
>he run away soon after nigglet is born

>Mark patiently wait for some christian pure woman
>he build his own house and start family

>20 years later Mark is killed for wearing Trump hat he had since 2017
>he was murdered by grown up nigglet which turned to be Megan spawn

Well, shouldn't your country stop coming into my country stealing jobs then? You fucking retard, stay in your shithole.

In the US: yes, for the most part.

Within som fields things have gotten so bad that European institutions don't want to encourage their students to do an exchange year in the US.

>>139504315
I attended a 1 year tech school back in the 90's. It was basically voluntary 13th grade with narrow focus.

These things don't exist anymore? They had phlebotomy, computers, paralegal... all sorts of shit that make sense rather than going to college.

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>>139506097
Gib jobs

>>139503605
>Is college a scam?

It really depends on what you're attending college for. If your plan is to enter a field that requires that piece of paper, then no, it's the price you pay for admission.

If it's to get some generic degree or a degree in a field which doesn't actually require that degree, then yes, it's a scam.

>>139506556
I've tried looking up 'tech school' and 'trade school' on Google, all the results seem like very shady private schools which charge 20k to get some kind of certificate for things like IT and cosmetology. They just seem like big money rackets.
Community colleges would be fucking fantastic if they started offering more trades programs, but you're lucky if they have even 1 or 2 programs in things like HVAC, carpentry, plumbing etc.
I wish the US would step up its game and add job training programs that are available to everyone at a low cost, and place them everywhere, in every little city and town.

>>139503605
College/University is a kind of investment.

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>>139505173

Educated != intelligent, I think all the liberals today prove that.

University is for if you want to be an academic/researcher/professional; no everyone wants those professions. Also some tech school courses are more difficult than university ones, mainly arts.

I went to trade school. Not technically college but sorta similar. There's always gonna be a need for tradesmen. Well, for 10-20 years until we have better range on automated devices and we can send them out from some sort of headquarters.

plumbing is pretty fun, too.

>went to school for welding
>everything still requires 5 years experience
Fuck the trade meme

>>139512071
that's why you shop around for apprenticeships.

>>139503605
Today? Yes.
College campuses are modern indoctrination camps.

>>139503605

everything is a scam. I haven't called an electrician,plumber or mechanic in years, 90% of their job I can youtube and do it myself in an hour.

>>139512447
That's fine for piecemeal stuff, but if you ever have a major issue, home owners insurance won't cover that sort of stuff. You'll get royally fucked.

>>139506556
>These things don't exist anymore?
They do. He's mad because he's $100,000 in debt with a liberal arts degree.

>>139503605
college used to be for smart and talented kids only. They all got jobs.
in PC climate everyone is "smart", gets a trophy and a college degree. That is the problem.
Eliminate AffA, reduce the student volume by 70%, raise score levels, eliminate useless degree programs completely (fire their professors), and ban non-us residents/citizens from attending American colleges (they do tuition inflation).
After this all implemented, college will be made great again.

>>139503605
College is not a scam. Just don't be an idiot who attends an out of state college, or a private college. Also if you are really tight on money commute and go to a college where you know you can get a scholarship.

>>139512537

what's a "major issue"?

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>>139503995
Shalom

College is a scam for plenty of reasons. Everyone takes out debts that are guaranteed by the US government. This lets colleges raise their prices to absurd rates because the necessity of college is in the zeitgeist.

It's also a scam because colleges are far more of a business than an institute of learning. The customer is always right so if people scream loud enough the professor will capitulate. God forbid the school loses out on the $100-200k the student is going to give it over 4 years.

>>139512071
>welding
If you have the skill, then they'll hire you. In welding it doesn't matter how many years you worked because you're taking the same weld test regardless.
Just because they ask for 5 years experience doesn't mean that they actually mean it.

>>139503605
Just dont pick a shit bachelor or master its not really hard. christ. just analyze your countries market and slightly guess where itll be in a couple of years and combine that with something that mildly interests you, if you're not a median fucking loser you'll stand out anyway, fucking prole's I swear to god.

>>139506923
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>>139503605
Im an automotive tech. No way someone is earning 70k a year after 1 year let alone when they get there Journeyman. Either way college is a scam. Go get a trade at least at the end of the day you have done something productive.

>>139504836
This. Our government murdered tech schools to funnel students into the uni scam.

>>139512709
Well, as a for instance, a housefire. Without proper documentation of plumbers, electricians, or other servicemen being at your home, and say something like a breaker lit up, caught everything on fire? You're fucked. You did it yourself, they'll find whatever you did to fix it (even if it's good quality), find signs of the repairs somewhere down the line, find they're unofficial, and talk to you about it. It happens a lot in plumbing in particular, winter is really bad in arizona where I live, lots of broken pipes from older houses. People fix it up and cap it off themselves, all is well since they can't afford paying me $50 for a document and the supplies, but then I get a call when their insurance comes over and finds pvc cement slathered all over some pipe to keep it in place, asks who did the work, and cancels/revokes their insurance when they find that the person isn't going through proper means.

You put yourself at risk by not at least having someone come out to check your shit so you can say "hey nah these guys came and said everything was all good not even a year ago". Most plumbers and electricians will do checkups like that for a nominal fee, usually below $100.

>>139503605
No fucking way he's making $70k a year lol dream on. Where the fuck do you find these things?

>>139504315
They do exist jew.

>>139512071
That's just HR, they slap that bullshit onto every job to cover their arse. Just apply anyway, if you can actually weld and have the papers to prove it then you'll get hired

>>139503605
Yes, rather become a tradesman

>>139503605
So everyone should become a plumber or electrician? Retard

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>>139503605
CC, Universities and Tech schools are ALL a scam.

It's all about WHO you know, not WHAT you know.

Just make sure your friends or family can get you a gig, that's all that matters.

ie someone with a MBA and Engineering degree that can't find a job because family and friends think merit is a thing and are useless.

>>139503605
non stem degrees are basically heavy course cuckpill treatments
either learn a trade or just excel at what you do. people value talent more than paper

>>139503605
best education a person can get is a cert for repairs of specific electrical devices; I.E A/C repair.

>>139503605

Only applies if you're comparing worthless majors to trades. STEM majors and certain other non-STEM programs (PharmD, med school, law school if you can get into top 50) are absolutely better than any trade.

70k starting out is a fucking joke. Maybe after 30 years. Your body will also be wrecked by the time you're 40 so enjoy your painkiller addiction.

>>139503605
Well how else do I get a job?

>>139513254

I didn't say build the house yourself. Breaker problem would be on the company the installed it in the first place.

90% of a plumbing is simple shit like snaking/rooting. I'm not sure why I would ever need to make an insurance claim for a broken pipe, cut the water and fix it.

>>139503605
Yes, go to a trade school and look for jobs you don't want to do professionally. Plumbing, HVAC, extermination, caregiving, forest firefighting, all of these pay well and nobody wants to do it because millennials are fags

>>139514357
>forest fighting

What the hell, how do I start a career in forest fighting?

>>139513621
Bullshit. Try to work as an electrician without real knowledge.
You'll be dead/in jail/bankrupt in 3 years or shorter.

>>139514515
By learning how to read first

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>>139513161
That's because you're Canadian.

>>139514693
He read it right,
>forest fighting
Sounds fucking great dude lets sign up together

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>>139514857
He certainly did not, friend

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>>139504315
They exist but they're rare and kinda shit, most colleges in Canada expect 2 years in school plus a year or two of co-operative education (on the job training) to get a diploma, finding co-op can be awful and sometimes you need to travel somewhere pretty far away for it depending on your job, plus all this costs money, and can be quite a lot of money depending on the circumstances.

I went to a college for EE and I dropped out because it cost too much and I had a really hard time finding co-op within 100km of where I live, became a retail manager making $60k anyway after working some shit jobs for a few years.

Just apply yourself like a decent human being and you'll be fine, you don't even have to go to school, I'm becoming more and more convinced that poverty is for fucking losers. If a retard dropout like me can make it, literally anyone with a work ethic can, stop being pussies.

i became an electrical apprentice 4 years ago, it's a 5 year program. Cadillac health plan, pension, 401k, after I get my state license I work within the union for 5 years to pay off my "debt" for the education, or I pay cash, something like $18,000. It's $2,750 per year... math is hard.

>>139503605
Mark
> Will break his body and retire a cripple

tech schools don't take three years to pay unless it's some for-profit shithole that is exploiting you. There are grants in every state that make tech schools and 2 year degrees from community colleges practically free.

>>139514515

volunteer as a firefighter till a spot opens up and apply. some first aid/paramedic classes would help.

>>139512635
I have $0 debt, I never went to university. The only "trade school" near me is a community college that's an hour away, and it only offers HVAC and welding. Before that, I lived in AZ where the only program you could find at a real CC was for welding which has a shit salary.
If you don't know somebody, you're fucked. The job training in US is far behind other countries

>>139503605
college is for people who want to make a difference in the world!

>>139503605
>doesn't give a shit
This isn't a positive.

>>139515515
Specifically forest firefighting.
The local in town jobs are very few and very competitive, everyone wants to be a hunk who spends 16 hours a day sitting on their ass waiting to go save the day and get some trim. Pacific Northwest is full of forest firefighter jobs

Mark doesn't have a job either. Ernesto Gonzales hopped the border and works for peanuts and government gibs.

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Socialists and communists are telling young people that
1. they should embrace their individuality and study bs things because muh creativity and sheit
2. being rich and healthcare are human rights
thanks to that young people can't produce anything they could exchange for the material goods they need - houses, cars, food, yet they have high expectations. What can they do? What can do a person who cant create anything to gain the wealth he needs? He has to steal. That's why millenials support bernie and other commies. Stealing is their only hope.

Remember - the root of communism is not faggotry and degeneracy. The root of communism is society which cannot produce its own prosperity.

>>139503605
Increase taxes to make education free.. that way Mark and Megan would become more equal.

>>139515648
Living in MD, went to 0 school went straight to my local 26 union office. Looking at around 24$/hr "Learn while you earn". I'm an indentured apprentice for 5years/ 8,000 hours but then I'll have my Journeymens and will be able to make 50$/hr working on my Master electrician title. Just because AZ is a shithole doesn't mean the developed parts of the country are

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>>139505173
2 deep 4 me.

>>139503605

Yes

I have a coworker with a physics master and a friend with a computer engineering degree.
All three of us work as software engineers and I'm the one who makes most money out of all three.

I just have a high school CS diploma and know my shit.

>>139512990
This. That being said, have an exit strategy. There's a reason there aren't any old welders. It's hell on your body.
t. Mining Engineer.

>>139516339
>I do not buy things I cannot afford
>my student loans are not paid off
Fucking lel, a person who is shit with their finances pretending to be fiscally responsible, that's rich. If you have any student loan debt at all you are fucked and a retard, sorry.

>>139512071
The five years of experience are just a CYA in case you wish to say no to someone's application. A good chunk of trades and technical jobs are having massive shortages that if you appear to be a fit for the job, you'll be hired. Some places might even offer paid training if you don't have prior experience but appear clever/interested enough.

>>139515970
>Ernesto Gonzales can fix an ac unit
Wew lad

>>139514517
Germany/Europe has a good schooling system that actually teaches things.

USA tho is a fucking joke. I know complete idiots who get jobs because of connections

>>139506097

Kek, I was contacted by a ""prestigious swiss IT consulting firm"" as they called themselves and they tried offering me a shit contract where I'd even have been paid less than I am right now.

I had to refrain from laughing in their face.

>>139516001
And thats why communism is America's inevitable future muhahaha lol

>>139503605
>paid off school after 3 years
lol so even the trade schools are shit in america? anywhere else in the world you'd've paid the cost of that year in 3-4 months kek Why is america the only country with no free health care and no affordable education? what a shithole jesus

>>139506556
Pretty much all one years are just for the certification, which can land you a lower level job in the same field as a 2 year.
2 year is really the safest bet and still won't put you in tremendous debt because Tech schools cost about the same as a community college because they are categorized as such. My two years only cost me 18,000, which really wasn't cheap but I went to school after working for 6 years so I could pay it.

Of all the guys that did the cert, I believe only 4-5 still don't have a job. Meanwhile everyone who went for the degree (2 year), all got jobs within 2 months. That's my personal experience I don't know the real numbers but take that as you will.

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i don't have a degree, but i don't look up or down at people with degrees. several friends have phds'. i am a self taught computer guy. i had to learn everything from hardware, os, peripherals, networking, security. it wasn't until 2008 that i was required to have certifications. i focused primarily on the security part. got well paid, retired at 50.

>>139503605
>Good goyim you must base your life in whats useful to ((us)), you are nothing more than a cog in the machine, chase those green paper we print so you consume™ more

I will have the luxury of getting my useless degree and make the goverment pay for it :^)

>>139503605
For the US? Not if in-state school and STEM.

>>139503605
Yes all the info you need is online but since my parents could pay I am going through grad-school for the credentials and to not halve to get a job, I am a sociopath.

>>139512071

The 5 years thing is HRspeak for "we're looking for someone who can do basic shit without being spoonfed all the time".

The amount of """senior""" developers who can't throw 10 classes together without being followed every step of the way is depressing.
I have 18 years old interns that are more productive than people with 20 years coding experience.

>>139512709

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jYPp9w-0Uk

Journeyman welder
Apprentice electrician
No debt
No problem finding work
Vehicle, house, qt white gf.
"Shoulda went to college" LOL

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I got scammed hard as fuck when I tried to go to school
>just finished HS
>plan on going to a 2 year school
>pay $550 up front (my entire bank account) for a food plan
>tuition is covered by a grant, take out loans to help pay for supplies and what not
>school takes every single dollar I got from my federal loans and uses them to pay for the dorms (which they lied and said was covered in the grant)
>then demands I pay them another $800 so I take out another small loan for that
>the conditions in the dorms is fucking awful, literally prison tier rooms and prison-tier roomates
>drop out after one semester because I couldn't find a job to help support myself in the mean time
>they still want another 900 dollars from me

I'm 19 years old, 6k in debt and have no income

Just fuck my shit up

>>139516001
based korwin/michalkiewicz

>>139503605
Besides STEM majors, it's a scam.

>>139503605

these days, yes

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It's basicly free in Norway, so no lol

>>139516407
There's actually a lot of old time welders... It's an aging profession along with other skilled trades/labor. You're right though... It can get rough on the body. I'm not a welder, I just work with a lot of them (though I am 3g certified).
t. Automation technician

>>139503605
Na, they're just running a marxist, jewish, multi-billion dollar business out of the kindness of their hearts.

>Completed 2 years of Collision Repair in vocational school, wish I did electrical/diesel.
>Absolutely zero(0) auto body shops within a 50 mile radius of where I live, have great auto mechanic knowledge either self-learned or taught by my 62 year old master mechanic father but no papers to prove it.
just fuck my shit up senpai

>>139517216
Thats 14k less debt than most of your peers will have with the same amount of gains

>>139516872
>retired at 50

This is the real redpill. Only cucks are cool with working until they're fucking 70.
My personal goal is two fully paid off properties by the time I'm 30, then save&invest for 15-20 years and retire.

>>139516339
>Work 50 hours and get paid for 40
>virtue signal about it while undercutting wages like women have been doing since 1965

Why can't women into capitalism?

>>139503605

Some of it is still good. Much of it is not. Does it count as a scam if the people perpetuating it are delusional and dont actually see themselves as scamming people?

Either way its fucked and getting worse.

>>139503769
>said the Romans after the collapse of the Roman empire

>>139517324
I envy a colleague of mine. He took advantage of free University there, then moved stateside for cheaper living without the massive EU tax rates.

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>>139517216
>burgerland.gif

>>139517429

>0 body shops within 50 miles
>goes to body repair school

Are you actually retarded? How did you not think about this?

>>139503605
Unless you go to Harvard or equivalent, yes.

Even STEM now is bullshit.

> College is now sold as a 4 year life experience party time, rather than achieving something to better yourself
> Everyone has a degree, everyone having something makes it worthless.
> Everyone cheats
> No on takes it seriously
> You walk out in debt and learning nothing, and no one takes you seriously.

>>139517216
get a job, nigger

>>139503605
Just print off a degree. No one will ever verify if you went or not.

>>139506556
>>139507956
Is central California just awesome for community colleges, then? I'm in a Forestry/wildand fire program, which is either a one year cert (forest surveying, wildland fire, forestry tech combined) or a 2 year AS and there are a ton of HVAC, auto mechanic, machining, heavy equipment repair, etc 1 or 2 year cert/associate's degree programs here.

>>139507956
That's just the jewgle filter at work

>>139503605
It's not a scam, more of an all around shit-test to see who can outjew each other until the end. I fell for the "go to a dorm right out of high school hurr durr" meme and got hooked on drugs and fucked it all up. You really have to stay focused and not party 24/7.

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>>139503605
>be me
>be fag
>be college fag
I've an undeclared major, idk what I want to do. Law enforcement could be cool, maybe at state level, but from what I hear you need a goddamn bachelors degree.
Been think about trade, maybe electrician or HVAC, thinking Imight drop out after first semester and do that

>>139517429
Come to Michigan. Seems like there's one on every corner.

>>139517806
You could honestly do this if you are confident that you know how to do the job you're applying for, you probably don't even need to print anything off, just say you have a degree.

The vast majority of degree-holders are fucking retards anyway, you can't even tell the difference between a university-educated person and a non-university-educated person anymore.

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>>139517795
I'm white you fucking mongoloid shitskin

I've applied at every single goddamn business in this town of 20,000 people and guess what: there's not shit

Think before you speak, nigger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMr2BxA_HVU
http://www.martynemko.com/articles/we-send-too-many-students-college_id1543

>>139512071
Yeah as people said the "required experience" is bullshit.

I think the most stupid I've seen was 10 years experience for some entry-level engineering R&D/design stuff. Nigga, nobody does this job for 10 years without taking higher responsibilities.

>>139503605

>Mark has the spend the rest of his life doing physical labour and literally cleaning up other people's shit

>My geology degree allows me to make bank while doing shit that's actually interesting

>Mark later gets fucked over by robots in the future

>>139517448
you got it.
house=payed off
farm=payed off
2 tractors=payed off
2 cars + truck=payed off
no debt only monthly expenses

>>139518052

>uses (((these))) and memes
>writes on paper

wat

>>139518286
>this is what the STEMcuck actually believes
Yeah you keep betting on those magic robots buddy, some day they'll be real I'm sure :^), meanwhile everyone else will be out actually making money doing real shit while you are searching for the one geology job available in the entire continent of North America.

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>>139518286
>Robots taking over HVAC
Even if that were to happen, (which it won't) you would still need people to repair and maintain the robots, dipshit
>physical labor is gross
Bourgeois faggot

>>139503605
>be me, criminal justice student
>got full tuition scholarship from uni
>finished a year early
>zero debt
>4.0 gpa
>currently working on masters program at night while I work at the local courthouse during the day
>live at home so income goes to paying grad school outright rather than taking a loan
>plan to eventually apply for job with the Feds, where you get brought in higher up the pay scale for having more education
college can work if you know what you're doing

>>139517769
Courses are free while you're in high school, I took it just to get out of school for 3 hours a day. I was a dumb 16 year old in 08'

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Would a 2nd black death tier event be good for Europe?
Once it was all over there would be a lot more jobs available

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>>139517785
STEM isn't quite to the bullshit level yet, however it's so packed with superfluous bullshit that makes me wonder if I should have had my degree in three, maybe even two years. The swift kick in the balls came when I realized I was paying the same for a course on "race and Ethnic Relations" as I was for a class on Thermodynamics.

>>139518286
>physical labour
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I don't want to work!
>cleaning up shit.
Not even once, especially if you work new construction
>mark gets fucked by robots
I'd love to see a robot do all the work related to plumbing

T. A sad geologist.

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>>139518601
All that is required is to stop nigger immigration and the population will settle, birthrates are already low in Europe, the only factor driving wages down is immigration, but that is exactly what (((they))) want so good luck stopping it.

>>139518538
Yea, just a light letter to my friend in the army. Last one he sent me was something about his patience for niggers running thin and his allegiance to Hitler increasing, and all the (((soy))) (that's how he wrote it) they were feeding him

>>139518168

once saw a job offer that needed 5 years experience in a coding language ... the language was created just 2 years ago.

>>139518949
>the language was created just 2 years ago
I'm curious, could you please explain?

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>>139503605
>be me
>be English major in college
>never study or read, just drink and post on 4chan
>get into top law school
>corporate firm hires me after my second year
>180k starting

What the hell? I love college now.

>>139503605
That image isn't accurate. I didn't go to school at all and I now make 75k. How? I did my job well, was nice to people, swallowed my pride on several occasions, and made connections. It isn't hard.

>>139517229
Even the STEM majors are getting too full.

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>>139503605
>70k a year

>>139503605
It depends on what you do. I'm going to be a pathologist. That has worth... a woman's studies degree does not. Do something useful, you lazy bums.

>>139518949
It seems like they have HR or some other technology illiterates write the job description most of the time.

>>139519418
What do you do?

>>139503769
>college is a scam

maybe if people stopped getting stupid degrees

>>139503605
>Is college a scam?
Be me:

>Skipped college
>Learned a trade while getting paid
>Become licensed tradesman
>$0.00 debt
>Knowledge gained is sellable
>Made $74k last year and was off almost 3 months

t:Pipefitter

>>139519680
A lot of jobs have good mobility in the states. People in technical fields even more so.

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>>139503605
>be me
>get full tuition academic scholarship
>do my four years behind ideological bars, graduate magna cum laude
>no debt
>never use degree but it's on the resume

If I could do it again, I'd have picked some kind of engineering instead of psychology. I have a good job in a tech company now but that's all because I'd been programming since I was in elementary school. The degree just checked the box for "has bachelor's? yup."

Would I pay for that experience? Fuck no. That was six years ago. Things have gotten so much worse in college culture since then.

>>139504315
ITT tech closed down lol

>>139518286
Women here who go to university end up with government/council jobs. They do nothing for the economy

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College isn't a scam but it's become the end all/means to being a "normal" worker drone. The fact is there isn't enough work to begin with and that's being slowly eroded away by automation even in fields you would think. It's a red pill no one wants to swallow.
The other issue is a bachelors degree isn't supposed to pidgin hole you into a super specialized role. The whole idea with college was to turn you into a "well rounded person" with say a liberal arts degree

Case in point my dad who graduated with a political science degree started out doing help desk- sys-admin support in Wall St for firms like Merrill Lynch, Bear Sterns and others. Running AD and their municipal bonds IT support was very lucrative and the jobs were high paying $90-100k. The need in the late 80s-90s was so much that I don't doubt the "do you have a pulse and a college degree (in anything) to get a job in IT support or financial tech development on wall st. Hell he told me if you could do cltr-alt-del you basically got a job.

Obviously things have changed, it far easier to outsource that work remotely to pajeet, the software is far more stable and you don't need to have as many people doing that kind tech work anymore. Combine that with the slow growth our country is in and the unwillingness for business to invest long term vs short term gains.

tl;dr: having a 4-year degree even in "gender studies" is better then no degree but it is no longer a ticket to stable work even STEM majors. You shouldn't also focus your career identity on your college either because ultimately business and government doesn't care, they have need or they don't have a need to hire that's it.

>>139518052
>Writes in paper
>not cursive.

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>>139519895
I know burger bro - I was just asking what job he did in particular- thanks though

I go to a 'tech', this being the informal term in northern Ireland for post-school education which isn't university. Doing a HND in mechanical engineering. Not sure what the equivalent to this course is elsewhere in the world, but it is about the level of education of most of the engineers at my work. The bulk of the university degrees there belong to people in the HR/vaguely defined office jobs.

>>139513429
Electricians make ~70k with 2 yrs experience where I live, and I don't live in a big city.

>>139503605
Mark has no future, he is incapable of understanding the current job market is constantly shifting and the demands of the future will change. If he thinks he can keep his 70000 a year he is not just stupid, he is retarded.

>>139503605

If it ends in 'studies' it's a scam.

If it's STEM, you're golden.

>>139520546
Unironically American education
They took it out of the curriculum whenI was in 3rd or 4th grade, so I only got a year's practice with it
I've a good signature though, thank God

>>139516872
im in netsec and your image killed me

>>139520351
The other issue is no amount of school or college will make you prepared for a the way a business operates or train you for the actual task at hand.

Not all business are like this but there is almost no training in the private sector anymore. Companies do not want to spend the money to train workers and that's why you see stupid HR shit like 5 years experience on Win 10 or server 2016 which for obvious reasons you can see how that's not possible.

>>139520705
Mark DOES have a future, if he so chooses he can move to any given place where demand for his trade is high, perhaps another city or state, or even a new country such as Australia or New Zeland, where tradesmen are highly prioritized in visas.
While (you) are stuck as a wage slave

>>139503605
in russia and whole cis - yes

>>139518613
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Barnbaum
Gerald (((Barnbaum))) operated as an unlicensed doctor for 25 years, even performing physicals for FBI agents.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hamman
William Hamman secured millions of dollars in research grants and worked as a doctor for 15 years before his greed got him caught.
A reasonably high IQ and some restraint and you don't even need a stem degree for stem jobs.

T. College graduate who would have been better off investing the money spent on my education on a house, and entering the work force after high school.

>>139520779
Holy shit, i thought that was a meme.

>>139503605
Only if your parents can't afford it and you study a non-STEM major

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>>139521234
Unfortunately not, if you ever watch any of Sam Hyde's videos on college or education in general, it's dead on
>Japan may be churning out thousands of well educated, well trained students ready to enter the job force, but you know what they don't have? RUTGERS PRIDE! *whoooo* *yeah!*
- Sam Hyde Rutgers University show

If I could go back in time gor a 30 minute chat with myself at 15 it'd go something like this:

>start lifting, it's the best thing you'll ever do
>yoir first gf is fucking mental, pump and dump then get with that blonde qt at college
>fuck college and uni, get an apprenticeship as an electrician

>>139503605
Online degrees are far cheaper and you don't have to deal with leftist cucks.

>>139518052
Most Law enforcement agencies only require high school diplomas, just depends.

>>139520779
It takes less then a year to learn how to properly write in cursive within elementary.

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>>139503605
yes

>>139503995
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>>139503605
Nah, idiots just say that by pointing to gender studies as their example. College, done correctly, sets up a social network for life for easy jobs, and give you plenty of knowledge in your field. Since I was in STEM, nearly everybody I knew had a job lined up coming out of college making more than some idiot in tech is going to ever make. Not only that, if I get tired of my job, I just have to give someone who took shots off some chicks stomach with me a call and I've got a job. Trade school faggots can enjoy dealing with my sewage though, I'm sure that's fun.

>>139503605
Le networking meme is the only way brick and mortar schools can stay relevant. If you are an autist that can't into networking, there is little reason to go when you can learn everything yourself.

>>139521798
Like I said, I can write it, just doesn't look pretty save for my signature

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>>139503605
>Mark
>age 55
>still making $70k/year because blue collar work has zero upward mobility

>John
>age 35
>STEM degree
>started out making $35k/year fresh out of college, but now making $150k/year

>>139503605

yes is it is. I did what mark did I went to itt tech for 2 years then got a job with the gov. paid all my debit off in 5 years and saved money to start my own business. Then I left the gov to pursue that business four years later. At same time training myself in biochemistry.

Even if it does not work out I can still go back to the gov and get a new job at the pay grade I left at which was about $78k a year. Best thing to is I keep all my sick leave.

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>>139503995

>>139512071

take a short course in mechanic school, like a year max just to get basic papers, everyone in the construct fields is going to hire you if you know mechanos and welding, you'll start at 20/h, in 5 years you will be able not to only make around 60$h, you'll have plenty of knowledge to build a house

>>139521766
Really? I've looked online and have had cops come talk to us in highschool and what not, they all say you need bachelors or associate

>>139522185
>Chilean filename.

Explain.

>>139503605
> Be Asian
> Very good at computers
> Went to college using grant money
> Studied computer science with a focus on security, ethical hacking, and the usual core C++ classes.
> Graduated with no debt
> Working in IT making 60k a year with a side gig of making personalized programs for idiots.
> Dad still complains about me not being a doctor.
> Asks me when I'll get my masters.
> Mfw he's still disappointed.

Sometimes you can't win.

College trains you to work in a corporate environment. Outside that it's a serious waste of time and money.

>>139518601
If there were another plague level event in Europe the EU would import 100 million+ Africans to "pick up the slack" within a month

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>tfw cook
>tfw not making much but love the work I do
>tfw free food and cute waitresses all day every day
I do want to become a chef though
time spent studying? 0 days. No prior education at all for my work

>>139516339
she look cute why dont she just find a beta bux?
being a woman is fucking easy

>>139517806

That is actually a crime here. With jail time.
But no one will have the trouble of go to court because of it.

You'll get fucked if you do this here though.

>>139522454
>Be Hispanic
>Get degree. Become mining engineer, do well for myself.
>Dad upset I didn't take over the family business back home.
>Fuckload of cousins constantly asking me if "I have a job for them"
I suppose stereotypes don't form out of thin air.

>>139504315
Dumbass I live in the south and theres at least 10-15 trade schools within 2 hour drive. It depends on where you live but there are some trade schools in every state. That i promise you

>>139503605
>Be me
>Go to college
>Tell people who went to trade school what to do from day 1
>make 80k my first year
>Pay off loans in less than a year
>10k in retirement savings already

Where did it all go so right?

>>139503995
This tweet confirms its a scam.

>>139503605

I honestly can't believe you stupid tradie-meme faggots still have the audacity to open your fat mouths...The entire white race was just SHOAHed off the internet in under two weeks, and you retards are still shilling for the trades???

Let me break it down for your low-IQ, blue-collar, sub-human scum: The white race lost control of literally EVERYTHING (that matters) because white men chose to flood into trades job. Sure, they pay ok, sure they're low risk, sure they have a low barrier of entry, but at best you become a mediocre man.

All of the enemies of the white race flooded into college and took huge risks. Some failed, but many succeeded, and now we all live under their boot. (Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft etc etc)

Nice job faggots. I honestly don't care anymore, but I had to point this all out. The white race is finished. Between the trades, Christianity, and the fact that most white men are pathetic, fat, cuckolds, we have no future.

And it's the future we chose. So yes, go into the trades so you can fix toilets for powerful non-whites until you eventually die in a Muslim terror attack.

>>139523475

>still posts on 4chan

m-made it right?

>>139512071
Im currently attending trade school for my certs, but ive had a job welding for a year and a half now. You just got ask around man. Welders are always in need, and most production jobs will take on low skill workers.

>>139519113
programming positions sometimes hire based on prior experience in a specific coding language.
Apple came out with a language in 2014 for ios development
>looking for swift developers with 5 years experience

>>139508871

It's funny how the Jews are almost always right about nearly everything, and white men continue to ignore their advice and go into bullshit careers like trades.

The white race is getting everything it deserves to be honest. Which is a whole lot of nothing.

>>139514517
Not in the United States you won't. Get out of your fucking bubble.

>>139524037
Theirs nothing wrong with having a career in any trade.

>>139503605
>Be me, graduated from college a semester early, no debt
>85k starting job first week out of college (no vacation time for me I guess)
>Buy ETH and BTC with first few paychecks
>Made about 100k my first year
Who the fuck goes to trade school anymore when it's this easy?

>>139523663
>$0.02 has been deposited into your account

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>>139523663
Good God you're a faggot

College is an important cog in the liberal brainwashing machine.

>>139504315
They are real m8

>>139523040
But then she wouldn't be a victim and wouldn't feel good.

>>139516672
Whats wrong with helping your fellow citizens out? In time, if he played his cards right, he'll be a full blown professional, hopefully with a company of his own.

>>139523475
What did you get a degree in?

>>139524390
>>139524394

yeah I'm the faggot sure....Please explain to me sub-human blue collar scum, how exactly a bunch of fucking welders and toilet repairers are going to save the white race from total genocide at the hands of globalists?

We don't own any of the following: banks, mass media, mainstream news, education, colleges, tech is owned/operated by them, no social media, green energy, logistics, retail, law, politics, the courts, and on an on...

So yes, please explain it to me? How in the fuck are your bullshit blue collar jobs, limited income, your fucking Camaro, and you wasting time on bullshit hobbies trying to be a """good man""" going to compete with the billionaire non-white hostile global elites?

...Like I said you and every other white man is getting what he deserves. I've warned you lot countless times and you just whine and meme and talk shit.

>>139503605
For the ungifted - yes.

You shouldn't buy tires if you don't have a car.

>>139504315
Trade schools exist retard
Maybe not in your shitkicker state
But here in CA you can do
4 year UC/CSU/Private
2 year Community college with hopes of transferring to a 4 year
1-2 year vocational school


Ie there's one near my place where you can learn shit like HVAC, carpentry, welding, plumbing, cosmetology etc
And you get a certificate and that's what the OP picture is about

>>139524247

Yes there is. Its the worst thing that a man can do to the white race. It's a short sighted and greedy fucking decision that has already cost us everything. I outlined why in detail here:

>>139523663
>>139523663
>>139523663

Why did Google, YouTube, Facebook and nearly every other major company recently ban anything pro-white? The answer is: because they can. Because white men did the bare minimum by flooding into trade jobs. This shit is only going to get worse. I honestly hope they fucking shut down the Chans. Maybe you retards will fucking learn something the hard way.

>>139520066
Lmao, you went for psychology

>>139503605
Yes, it is ABSOLUTELY a scam. The world changes so fast and the average person changes careers 4-7 times. It makes MUCH more sends to get applied science degrees in relevant skill sets for the current state of affairs.
And GUYS, really... do you want to be stuck in a fucking office with the SJW cunts (or even normie cunts) listening to their fucking back stabbing gossip and whiny PMS shit every day? No you don't, trust me you don't. You want a life you will enjoy and work you can take pride in.
Either run a business, be in a trade, or be a white collar consultant and work from home. The less you are around these cunts the happier you will be.
>IT'S YOUR LIFE, LIVE WITH YOUR DECISIONS

>>139524394
>good goy, keep working in sewage, don't get educated

>>139503605
Depends. Some institutions provide really low quality education. Some don't even hide being diploma mills. Those are essentially scams.

Problem is that our culture encourages everyone to get an expensive degree, and you're not guaranteed to get a job afterwards (supposedly there are people who still think that degree = a job, but these days I doubt it) to pay off the debt. Combine with the fact that people flock to the most useless fields and you have a huge group of people crying about their shitty life decisions. It's not a scam, people are just retarded (but no doubt they'll claim they're smart because they have a degree).

>>139503995
Your sociology professor is smiling at you right now. Xe trained you well. GOOD GOY!

>>139523663
your time is up white boy, get over it. Do go silent into the night, make it easy for us.

>>139503605
If you get any B.A or anything less than a Masters, yeah. My class was the first in TN to get the TN Promise which paid for 2 years in community college. Its to be used to get a technical certificate for a skilled labor field or to complete your core classes and transfer to the local university and go from there. I'm starting my 3rd year of uni to become a petro. engineer with several more years to go while I have some friends already working at Trane making decent bank. You gotta be smart about higher learning cause itll fuck you sideways if you're not thinking about your future like all the old friends in highschool who wanted to be printmakers and artists and shit but now have to resort to being art teachers cause its a somewhat more reasonable job for the price their paying for the education.

>>139504315
Most 2 year AS/AAS degrees can be completed in 16 months dumbass. I have three of them and I only got them to gain knowledge not to get a job. I've been an employee 2 years out of my 20 years of working, business owner the rest.

>>139525614

I plan too. I'm not lifting a finger to defend these retards.

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>>139524923
A crash is coming and all those fake jobs created by the current (((system))) will be useless and nonexistent.
Trades are the future

>>139524923
Not only are you a faggot, but a damn moron as well. Lookie here autismo, when your car breaks down or needs service , your plumbing fucks up, you want to go to a restaurant to get a meal, who in the blue hell do you think does these things for you ? Shoot yourself in the face, you stupid fucking wastrel.

>>139524923

How am I, one person, supposed to save the white race?

>>139526029
This

>>139525417
How about we all stop working in sewage and see what happens to your stupid ass that probably can't change a toilet out of your life depended on it.
You'd be someone's bitch with a chain around your neck in a mad max scenario. Careful what you wish for and who you disrespect you weak, weak human with no valuable skills.

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The absolute autism in this thread is borderline contagious, consider suicide you wagecucks.

My undergraduate college tuition is entirely paid off by my grandfather, while my law school tuition is covered by my father. As it stands now I'm likely to get into a T3 with my 177 LSAT. Within 6 years of graduating from Harvard, Yale, or Stanford, I'll be making more money yearly than all the posters in this thread combined.

White poorfags are literally nigger-tier. Stop falling for the trade meme and strive for success, you autists.

>>139526564
This kyke gets it.

>>139525243
>psychology
I was a typical aspergy 4chan loser who couldn't talk to people like a regular human being. I could already out-program the computer science professor, so I wanted to round myself out and learn how people think so I could apply it to myself.

And it worked very well. People think I'm a normie now and it's been very useful. At the time I thought I wanted to go into either VR psychology research (phd) or tech law, and got accepted to the law school I wanted before changing my mind. Psychology degrees are actually more in demand for pre-law than a lot of other "nothing" degrees.

Sociology, on the other hand, is a joke.

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>>139503605

Am I gonna kms in 5 years for majoring in philosophy /pol/? Accruing debt at a small liberal arts school no less.

I don't want to be an engineer or an accountant. I don't know what I want to do, but not that. I thought about moving to a chink country and teaching with a TEFL when I graduate to pay down my debt but then I'd have to live in a chink country.

I've looked into most trades and they all sound horrifically unappealing. I've done my time in warehouses and other blue collar jobs and no thanks, I like being able to use my back

>tfw they say america is full of opportunity but it's really just filled with debtors

maybe i'll try to wiggle my foot into marketing or business but I'll be competing with all of China and STEMfags and they want you to have done a 9 year unpaid internship

just kill me family

>>139503605
College is a scam. I am in college to be a preacher, and its retarded levels of expensive.

>>139523663
What is a celestial event?
It is something that occurs, has always occurred, and will occur again, perhaps within your lifetime. One BIG solar flare homie...
And when your electricity doesn't work any more, and everything around you falls apart, all your digital currency goes POOF... don't be upset when we cull people like you because you are only a burden and have NOTHING to bring to the table to help us all survive. We will take your women though, so we can repopulate.
My god are you a stupid fucker.

Instead of going to (((college))), just invest all your money in the exchanges. It's way more profitable.

>>139503605
No, it isn't. You just have to pick a good degree

>>139503605
Depends, i paid $180 old usd a semester in uni.

>>139520154
>ITT tech closed down lol
you can thank obama and his marxist cronies for that. the left wing HATES private schools because they know it exposes their brainwashing

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>>139503995
> Mfw seeing flag

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>>139526878
>in college to be a preacher
Wha-
>Protestant
Oh
Nothing personal kiddo

>>139526499
How about we make the niggers and spics work in sewage instead? I'd rather you get an education and work in places that can change the world while the morons deal with our shit. Instead we have jews running media and silicon valley, which is quickly becoming more powerful than our government, so instead of cleaning up shit, join me and get an education so you can help.

>>139503605
Is IT worth it?

>>139526564
When you got more Attorneys than Auto Mechanics in the Yellow Pages, you know society has gone to shit. Who is in more demand, Shmuley ?

>>139526975
>be American
>go to college
>rack up 100k debt
>be Australian
>go to college
>most if not all paid for by govt

>>139517193
Jelly senpai

>>139527169
>Boomer detected
How about we have no niggers and spics to begin with and we take care of our own house? I'd rather have white sewage workers than nogs in my society to begin with

>>139527257
Yes, IT is a very good field

>>139505173
Are you the cross eyed raven?

>>139503605
>makes 70k/year
Look at that poor fag

>>139527497
College is not a scam. You just need to go for STEM. Non-STEM has become a joke.

>>139527169
>>139527497
Never gonna happen goy. The more you kick an scream, the more painful it'll be.

I went to college and did computers. Can confirm it was useless, learned everything worthwhile on the job but employers still insist on them. I didnt have to pay for mine though. If I had to fork out fees, I'd have gone the trade route.

>>139503995
/thread

>>139517429
Open up your own biz if you think you can handle it. Sounds like you have a good opportunity

>>139527624
I'm a non stem fag because I can't into math
>pls no bully

>>139527497
Guess what faggot, if we all did that, we're going to keep going down this path, the point is, we're too far down to turn back if we just keep to ourselves, so you take care of your house while the world burns down and the niggers come for their reparations and you get outed on social media for not giving it to them.

>>139527169
Do you have any idea how important sewage, sanitation, and water treatment is? Literally is what brought us in to the modern world, even if they tell you it was vaccines. It wasn't. It was cleanliness from sewage systems, sanitation systems, and water treatment systems. CALLED CIVIL ENGINEERING.
You want niggers and spic to handle it?
You want the fucking plague or something?
Holy shit you fuckers are scared to do man's work, because you aren't and never will be MEN.

>>139503605
Depending on what you study. For what I study I have a +80% chance to find a job. Don't study gender studies or similar memes.

>>139513429
Mate the sparkies and plumbers make 40k+ in London, even the bricklayers are pulling 50k because of demand

>>139527624
Finance is top tier

>>139503605
It's fucking shows how many retards and losers there are on this website, they are all bitter that they couldn't go to university. Anyway, people who go to tech schools or do apprenticeships are fucking retarded, this is literally what every dunce with a 95 IQ or less does after school, they end up making between £20-£30k a year for the rest of their life unless they become a manager and then they might make £40k annually, it is a dead end career path and one that only myopic dullards take.

>>139527834
so what? Just have your college-educated engineers manage the workers and make the decisions, just like any other industry.

>>139527834
Let's keep doing sewage treatment for our jewish overlords then goy, it'll be sure to please them! No need for god's chosen people to get their hands dirty, that's for us filthy goys to handle.

>>139512071
>every welding job in my area only requires a welding test
>get gud

>>139527916
Not necessarily true. There a lots of people in trades that make 100k+. America is a land full of opportunities. Its what you do, and who you know.

>>139527916
>hurr i went to a 4 year marxist indoctrination camp and it only cost me $100,000 you brainlets!
i bet you're a skinny effeminate little fella who watches chav girls go out and get fucked by real men while you jerk off into your anime pillow

>>139526010

>buh much crash!

Honestly you people are so stupid. It's no wonder the far-right has never ever succeeded at even the smallest task and why you don't have a single successful community anywhere. Let me enlighten you: there will never be a crash. Ever.

We will slowly descend into a Brazil-style culture where the intelligent realists like me, and the Jews, will rule harshly over the few remaining whites too stupid to evolve, and a horde of screaming black/brown savages.

That is the future. There will not be some epic overnight crash where all of a sudden white male tradies are suddenly going to be worshiped because they can fix cars and weld. You've been listening to too much Bruce Springsteen.

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>>139527829
>he doesn't deny being a boomer
You don't understand. There is nothing left to save, nothing left to preserve. America is a dead nation, the only feasible path forward is Balkanization or secession of sorts, and when whites are afforded their own nation state once again, we will need skilled people to build and maintain that nation state

20-30 years and you're going to see some serious shit, mark my words

>>139504315
My trade school was 7 months for 18 grand. Got a job after a week of looking, they also gave me a part time job to start paying of the debt before I graduated.

>>139527331
The majority of those attourneys that you see are for the purpose of protecting didndus from the law. They make less than the IQs of the people they're defending.

Graduating out of HYS would usually put the most competitive grads into the top tier biglaw environment, where salary right out of school is 180k+ a year and by the time they're 30-35 they will be at (if not approaching) 7 figures a year. Its likely I'll be selling my soul to Skadden because of my current network and slaving away there as a corporate lawyer for the rest of my adult life

>>139528257
>We will slowly descend into a Brazil-style culture where the intelligent realists like me, and the Jews, will rule harshly over the few remaining whites too stupid to evolve, and a horde of screaming black/brown savages

>implying this wouldn't breed the conditions for such a crash, a revolt if you will
The world is a tinderbox ready to burn boy, I can't wait to watch you squirm

>>139528224
>a lots
I doubt that. Unless we have a different view of what "a lot" means.

People who hate on trades, are ignorant basement dwelling bitter virgins. Not everyone can be doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. and that's fine. Remember not everyone is equal and that's ok. We need all types of people in society

>>139503605
No, I got a piece of paper from a reputable group of people that says I'm smart now. I just don't have a job because they don't value what I know, they want me to actually do the things I learned. Like, come on.

>>139526029

There are shitloads of non-whites who do those jobs just fine through out the entirety of the world. So no, you blue collar shitbag, I DON'T RESPECT you, I don't honor the fact that you CHOSE to do lowly, unimportant labor, you useless sack of shit.

You have made a conscious chose to be a lesser man, and in the power vacuum you (and those like you) have created, enemies of the white race have flooded. They are now in control of everything that matters, enormous wealth, and as we have just seen in the last two weeks, they are finally using their power to destroy us.

Again, anyone, please tell me how a bunch of blue collar people are going to wrestle back power from the globalists with your meager incomes and pathetic skill set? I'm all ears. Some one say something intelligent. Let's hear what your superior blue-collar minds have to say?

inb4
>Muh I have a great plan but I'm not telling you!!! you asshole!!!

(I've heard that stupid response before.)

>>139527169
And just FYI... I started as a residential house painter in summers as a teenager. Then a taper. Then a carpenter. Then a finish carpenter. Then an artisan floor mechanic. Then an architectural drafter. Then a project manager for wireless telecom. Can you hear me now? GOOD. Then a structural designer working on NATION BUILDING. Then a CAD manager at a huge firm. Then a GIS developer. Now a principal software architect and I guarantee I make shit tons more than you and I'm my fucking boss and have been for a VERY long time. But one thing I will always have is my truck and tools and no fear of getting dirty or sore muscles.
But yeah... go to university GOY. It'll work out for you. I promise GOY. PAY UP GOY.

>>139528670
are*

>>139528757
>There are shitloads of non-whites who do those jobs just fine through out the entirety of the world
Civic nationalist piece of shit, I want a white nation state maintained by whites only, I don't care if paco and Jamal can under cut them you slimy, money grubbing kike

>>139528227
No, chav girls are all 80 IQ untermensch, I only go with privately educated girls; but anyway, It's £30k debt here and if you are earning £70k at an Investment bank annually with your degree and then after 5 years of employment, well into the 6 figures you don't need to worry too much about your uni debt.

>>139528264
Do I have to deny such a bullshit claim? 24 years old with 3 years experience working in computer science, if it means that much to you, and I'm not going to roll over like a pussy and take it like that, if anything we've seen most of America isn't either, as evidenced by Trump's election. Even if that does happen, I'm taking engineers before I take people with a trade, anyone can google how to do plumbing and get that shit fixed within a couple of days, proper engineering is another story.

>>139527331
>yellow pages
Do they even print those anymore

>>139526233

Do exactly what the left has done but better. Build a real company with real wealth in one of their industries, then use your power and wealth to conquer them.

Google was built by two guys in a garage. So were many other powerful companies. But let's face it: you're an idiot. You're probably lazy too. I bet you have a bunch of stupid hobbies and frivolous bullshit you waste your time on, and you have somehow convinced yourself all of that is important. The fact that I had to actually tell you what needs to be done, tells me you aren't made to lead or conquer. You're meant to be a slave to the Jewish oligarchs.

>>139528209
Worked office side at a plant that did shit with pipes & tubes last year. They had no experience requirement, just had to pass a test, but they only paid their welders $12 an hour.

>>139528785
My man, keep it up. These idiots don't understand life has many routes. You can be successful in any career, so long as you work hard.

>>139529112
Isn't there this thing in America where every tech calls himself an engineer?

>>139528257
You won't be ruling over anything Fritz, much less anybody. You will make a good turd for a buzzard though, so I reckon you be of some use in the future.

>>139529112
>I'd take engineers over trades men
The point is trades men will be needed no matter how you look at it you impotent twat

>>139529103
>investment bank
wew lad. yeah fiat currency is just so strong these days lmao. you must love trump's cabinet picks

>>139526251

Stay mad faggot. Don't care. I'm dropping dank redpills ALL OVER this thread. I don't care that you don't want to listen. You're time is coming along with all of the other blue collar white scum who didn't want to listen.

I know too, many of you will remember this thread and when your lives are in ashes you'll think back to this moment. You'll remember that you were warned before, by a true Aryan, a man of keen intellect, and you made the decision to ignore his sage counsel. It will be a very bitter pill to swallow that day, friendo.

>>139503605
guys who didn't go to college aren't serious mate material.

>>139504315
Friend of mine is going to a trade school. 13 months if I remember correctly.

Not quite one year but you're still fucking stupid. Leave my country

>>139503605
yup

I'm an autopainter. I dropped out of highschool in 10th grade. I got a job at a body shop washing cars at 17. I watched and learned and within a year i was in the paint booth.

>>139519511
Agreed, the school and quality of the program are important too.

>>139529064
>I want a white nation state maintained by whites only
Thats completely fine. Except America will never be one. Non whites have been here since the very beginning, you need to accept this truth.

>>139528264
>looks out window, gazes across his 3 acres of mowed lawn, beautiful day
>Hears kids playing, hear lawns being mowed
>Realizes need to harvest more out of the garden as I look at it
>Hollers at dog to quit fucking stalking the chicken coup
>Looks in fridge, full of great meats and fruits and vegetables
>Checks on several white children in the house, all fine
>Looks in safe, still has gold, silver, guns, other things of diverse value
>Life in America is GOOD
America is not dead. YOU ARE. Get off your ass and make YOUR America great. If you can.

>>139529112
>anyone can google how to do plumbing and get that shit fixed within a couple days

Kek. The amount of botched DIY projects I've been called in to fix doesn't support that claim very well.

>>139526499

We have shitloads of brown people and SE Asians to do that work. Go ahead white blue collar dumbasses...Quit your fucking jobs. We'll replace you for half price in a week.

You're not special. Trades are done by non-whites in every country of the world. You CHOSE to become a lesser man in a lowly caste. You get ZERO respect from me or any other real white man. I consider every last one of you nothing more than a snow-nigger. Your thoughts and opinions are meaningless.

>>139528785
Just because you make more than me while being much older does not mean that someone will make more money coming out with a college degree. Anyone with a STEM degree at your age is making more than you, and I will be too. But keep thinking you're hot shit since you have your pickup truck and your tools, that's really cool to have those, maybe I'll go buy some tomorrow and I can be as cool as you.

>>139529664
>Except America will never be one
I know, I accept this

>>139524665
>Whats wrong with helping your fellow citizens out?

Everything, if said citizen is an idiot.

> In time, if he played his cards right, he'll be a full blown professional,

In time, not only he will made the business into ruins, in worst case, the normal, ACTUALLY HARD-WORKING people will be made scapegoats by him.

I know this kind of people too well to have fantasies about their professional level.

>>139527044
>the left wing HATES private schools
I'm a right wing conservative and I hate charter schools because too many of them can't even meet public school curriculum standards, the shareholders. Charter schools buy cheap land in urban areas by getting government grants and subsidies and other taxpayer welfare.

http://www.alternet.org/education/who-profiting-charters-big-bucks-behind-charter-school-secrecy-financial-scandal-and

The owners of the school are the same as the owners of the land. The same team of Wall Street investors lease the land to the school at inflated prices, and of course, being the owners of the school too, the charter school pays it.

There are many good quality private schools. But the ones in it for maximum profits are making public school that much worse.

>>139528264
Delusional faggot. This is treason, you'll be the first to hang.

>>139529709
The amount of shit that I've fixed supports it pretty well.

>>139526564

Literally this. I vote this "Best Post of Thread 2017".

Literally sub-human snow-niggers crying that their lowly jobs aren't respected. Get fucked tradies....Had you done real work (white collar) instead of the bare minimum, Google wouldn't be assfucking the entire white race these last two weeks.

>>139529434
No, I am actually a white supremacist and nationalist, I don't care much for Jews but I will happily work among them if it means I may become wealthy.

>>139529740


>We have shitloads of brown people and SE Asians to do that work. Go ahead white blue collar dumbasses...Quit your fucking jobs. We'll replace you for half price in a week.You're not special. Trades are done by non-whites in every country of the world

This is the attitude that got us in this mess in the first place. Good job

>>139529688
Exactly, this faggots just a depressed beta.

>>139503605
If you go for liberal arts in college, then definitely yes.

>>139503605
yes, obviously. colleges are pleasure island. you get to do w/e the fuck you want, so long as they get to sell you to the salt mines at the end of the day.

>>139503605
>FB_IMG_15040311436118917.jpg
And by the way, in 10 years when Megan is promoted to Director of Sales, poor Marky will still be sweating pipes in a blue jumpsuit.

>>139526932

Just shut the fuck up with the whole "collapse-meme" you fucking blue collar autist.

I'll hire a bunch of brown people to fix all that shit. Or asians. You think the rest of the world relies on white tradies? Nigger please. Trades are a shit job full of shit people with low IQs everywhere on the planet.

>>139503605

Yes and no, but overall yes.

Yes because it's dogshit and you dont learn a thing, it's made to brainwash you and adapt you to wage slave life.

No because it's necessary to get better paying jobs ( depends on where though )

Yes overall because being a top tier student will only make you a top tier slave of the system.

>>139519657
They just need something to jerk off their ego.

It's the global problem - faggots who have money, managers that enable that faggotry and all of them outright sabotaging shit done by the people at the bottom.

>>139527169

Exactly. Good post.

So there are exactly three intelligent white men in this thread and a ton of salty-snowniggers whining about how them cleaning up literal shit is somehow important work a white man should be doing.

>>139530319

>I'll hire a bunch of brown people to fix all that shit. Or asians.

>(((national)))-socialist.

>>139503605
College is not a scam. Especially if your parents pay for it or you get a scholarship

It is a part of growing up and you get to bang a lot of chicks. Good luck finding a girl on a construction job site. Just mexicans and shitty weather.

>>139529354
Yeah, the title engineer is thrown around a lot in the U.S.

But proper licensed engineers who went to engineering school are easily distinguished from some IT call center idiot who just likes the cool name.

>>139527497

Too late for that. Funny you should say this...Had white men not flooded into trades and assumed their rightful positions of power we wouldn't be flooded with niggers and spics in the first place.

Oh you didn't think of that did you? It's because you're an idiot with a trade school education. The trades-meme is directly responsible for the collapse of white society.

>>139511842

>literally dealing with sewage and other fluids moving in a pipe
>working with a bunch of spics
>fun

>>139503605
depends what you go to college for. I went for a BSc Honors Biochemistry program with thesis and everything. I can tell you right now that the experiences I've had and the people I've met along the way are amazing and I wouldn't trade the experiences I've had for anything.

>>139530261
>And in 10 years Megan will be an old maid, SAD!
Fixed it for you

>>139530337
This is the only sane a answer here

>>139529967
>calls himself a nazi
>sits behind a desk twiddling his soft girly hands together and talking about game of thrones around the water cooler
lmao. its hilarious...the american renaissance was started by a bunch of "subhumans" who didn't even have indoor plumbing and yet a child from the end of the civil war who lived into the 1950s saw the transatlantic railroad, the airplane, the radio, the television, mass production of light bulbs, the horse and buggy get replaced by the car, the isolation of radioactive elements, the atomic bomb and the transistor. so what have college cucks done from 1960 to present? marxism, marxism, and more marxism. keep patting yourself on the back buddy.

>>139530650

>Had white men not flooded into trades and assumed their rightful positions of power we wouldn't be flooded with niggers and spics in the first place.

Had fags like you not import subhuman filth to clean your ass, we'd not have problems with that filth in the first place.

Kill yourself, faggot. Do your nation a favour.

>>139530319
Principal software architect is blue collar.
OOOOOKAYYYYY THEN...
You fucks just expect the world to be handed to you because you showed up to uni class.
ProTip: NO ONE IS GOING TO DO SHIT FOR YOU IN YOUR LIFE EXCEPT STEP ON YOUR HEAD SO THEY CAN GET HIGHER UP. INCLUDING ME.

>>139513621
>getting a job in the 70's
>a fucking macbook air on the desk

>>139530650
Or it's because cretins like you come in who put capital above everything else, much like the jew

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>go to school for EE and CompE
>get told it's a scam and that electricians make more money my whole time in undergrad
>now a senior and juggling a bunch of $35-$50/hr offers from major companies and defense contractors
>am only 22
>trade losers will have to wait til their thirties or forties for that kind of wage, if they can even handle the job after decades of shitty physical labor and stress

Yeah I'll have some debt to pay off, but you fuckin' boomer boot licking Mike Rowe worshiping faggots can keep your shit-tier forever 20-an-hour meme trade jobs.

Fuck you

>>139530535
idk, a lot of engineers don't need licenses these days. If you want to stamp a drawing sure, but BIM modeling or project engineering etc many careers are free from that.

>>139530974
cool story karl marx

>>139527834

>man's work

Literally cleaning up shit? Hey idiot...The rest of the world gets on just fine without white male tradesmen.

You know who is not getting on fine anymore? The white race. That's who. Because white men gave all the powerful positions and shit to women, non-whites, and hostiles so they could dick around in sewage jobs. How's that working out? How are white countries doing right now?

It's going to be hilarious when the blue collar caste and their quaint little rural townships get flooded with violent Muslim refugees. We'll see then how important their sewage job is.

inb4
>muh guns!

We all know white men won't do shit. See South Africa. I'm tired of your larping.

>>139531001
But they all require a 4-year in engineering at the very least. If you don't have that, you're just lying to yourself.

>>139530974
literally this

plus u meet kawaii college girls and waifus that arent white trash meth heads.