Christian thread -- debating atheists edition

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Athiest here with my bible in hand. Ready to be turned catholic or something

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>>139500158
>>God is real according to pure logic and the Bible
I'm not even an atheist but that is not a strong start.

How can you be a racist like most people on 4chan and a Christian at the same time?

>After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands (Rev 7:9)

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>>139500370
>Athiest here
I still don't understand how anyone can be an atheist while looking at the world around them. We did not come from nothing. PERIOD.

>>139500158
I believe in god

I just don't think god is a very moral leader and his fetish for dualism is pointless. God's plan is literally using humans as currency and the creations have a right to disavow the creator.

Think about it, the god of this universe might not be the creator of reality. Our god could have been another mortal in another universe and we could be that mortal's creation.

It IS possible to kill god. If god ever damns me and you guys are okay with that and enjoy living like pampered pussies in heaven, then I have the right to collect the mystical magical gems and overtake heaven.

>>139500695
We Christians are not racists, but we believe that God made the different nations and divided mankind according to his will. We think that the Bible is anti-globalist and nationalistic.

>>139500158
>God is real according to pure logic
wut?

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>>139500770
Fuck I was actually thinking that you might have something worthwhile to say, but you've got to be fucking retarded.

Don't make me bring out my inner fedora because I do not want to be making the case for fucking atheism.

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>>139500885
That's where the Bible comes in handy, because the Bible says that God had a plan for us, and that we can inherit eternal life by believing in Jesus Christ.

We can't just hypothesize a scenario like that an impute it on God. Because if we believe the Bible we know that God is good.

>>139500370
>White Guy
>Attacking the basis for all Western Christendom
Doesn't add up senpai. I bet you consider your Marxist ideals to be "Red Pilled" too... smdh

>>139500770
Nor do i think that. I believe in the theory of evolution and that universe is nothing more then star dust and chemicals and gasses forming objects in space. Why is it hard to believe that "god" creating his universe was just him using the big bang as a method of creation?

>>139501086
I don't think you've seriously considered what I said.

Atheists contend that we came from literally nothing. It makes no sense whatsoever. It is physically impossible. The only explanation is God. Full stop. You have no logical argument against that.

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>>139500906
>different heretical denominations arise within different nations
Stop. Jesus may tolerate it, but a quick look at the catechism and it becomes obvious that God does NOT want a bunch of heathen protestants or off-the-rails orthodox polluting his kingdom with their insane offshoots.

>>139501068
A monotheistic creator is self-evident just from observation.

>>139501231
Where did God come from?

>>139500158
I want to cum in her hair.

>>139500158
god is not real.

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>>139501152
>literally been waiting days to have a conversation of the spiritual feeling behind mankind and its place in the cosmic universe
>instantly mocked

Middle eastern religions aren't white or western, get out of here cucks.

Also, "God is real because the bible is real, the bible makes sense because God is real!!!"

>>139501269
If someone claims to love Christ and reads the Bible and prays, then I have them as a Brother
t. Baptist

>>139501177
Okay, but the Bible says that we produce after our own kind, and macroevolution (families of animals literally crossing into other species and families) have never been observed. We've observed bacteria reproduce for thousands of generations, trying to force them to stop producing bacteria or moving across their own family -- it never happens. Never, ever, has an animal produced anything other than its own kind. Evolutionism is not a valid theory.

As far as the Big Bang, the idea that the entire mass of all things in the universe being condensed into a single dot of nothingness, and then all-of-a-sudden coming into existence for no apparent reason, is nonsense, utter Star Trek fiction.

The only logical explanation is that God created the universe, but I happen to believe that Big Bang was not God's method of creation.

>>139501328
but it doesn't apply to polytheistic creators because?

>>139501231
It is physically impossible for god to have come from nothing as well.

>>139501269
I'm a baptist, so I believe in the Bible.

>>139501337
God exists outside of space and time. He is omnipotent and omniscient.

>>139501642
Oi I wanted an answer, where did God come from?

>>139501231
So,where did God come from?

Christians are tools of the jews and are leading white races to extinction. Christians must be eliminated.

Atheist here, debate me into believing now.

>>139500158
>Cthulhu is real according to pure logic and the Necronomicon
>>The Necronomicon is the Word of Cthulhu
>>You will all die screaming when the dread lord returns (yes, YOU)

>>139501668
Really?So God can create a rock he can not lift?

>>139501618
Yeah, he exists outside of space and time, so he isn't affected by whatever laws of physics we adhere to today. Obviously.

Daily reminder that Christians are coalburners of the soul.

>>139500158
>>God is real according to pure logic
No, your imaginary friend is not real. "I think he's real and tgat means he is" is not logic, its just you declaring bullshit as fact.
>The Bible is the Word of God
Again, he isn't real, you retard.

>>139500370
I thought that was a tiny penis first glance.

>>139501670
I told you. He exists outside of space and time, he is not affected by whatever laws of physics that we adhere to. That's the only explanation for space and time coming into existence.

>>139501722
Free will can not exist without God. Yet we all have free will... strange how that is, huh?

>>139501328
Sure, I agree. But saying that the creator is the invisible man in the sky from your fairytale is just pure guessing.
Dont get me wrong, since there is no absolute proof you can belive whatever you want. I choose not to belive anything,.

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>>139500158
fucking kill yourselves.

>>139501998
Why do you assume we do?

>>139501811
Do you realise how fucking crazy you sound? You can make the Bing Bang sound crazy, and you could well apply what you said about God being omnipotent and omniscient to the Bing Bang.
>There was nothing it seemed
>Then there was something and it became everything
But somehow, you made that already crazy-sounding idea even crazier by saying
>It was a guy
>That guy happens to be inconceivably powerful

>>139501936
Yes I know you told me, look at the post upload times.

>>139501337
The "first cause" argument says he has no beginning or end. There must be a first cause right?
>>139501439
Yet here we are.
>>139501469
Well then you must be fully aware of all the torture your Christian forefathers endured to build the institutions you now take for granted and seek to destroy.

How was your childhood faith lost apostate?

>>139501773
Yes, since he can do anything, he can do that. Then he can make himself able to lift that rock again, should he wish to.

Christians debating are like that annoying kid on the playground when you're young, "No you can't kill me I'm bulletproof! I'm also explosion proof! I just am!"

>>139502069
>Cucktholics
>real christians

>>139502070
Because without free will there is no basis for a legal system or the rule of law.

>>139501571
Doesn't mean they're going to Heaven though

>>139501668
>God exists outside of space and time
So, he's not real?

>>139502148
>muh no true Scotsman

This is why we larpagans hate you. Your pettiness has cost millions in European blood.

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>>139500158
can we both agree that atheist and christniggers are equaly delusional?

>>139502252
neo-pagans are just as degenerate as modern christians,faggot

>>139502084
If he was not able to lift the rock,than that means he is not omnipotent.
>Dude only retards think something can be made out of nothing
>Btw God was made out of nothing,just trust me on that one!
Top fucking kek.

>>139502148
>#NotAllMuslims

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4259164/Pope-quietly-trims-sanctions-sex-abusers-seeking-mercy.html

>>139501337
https://youtu.be/EWiEVNqKhRc

>>139502074
>you could well apply what you said about God being omnipotent and omniscient to the Bing Bang
Except there still is no physical explanation for how the Big Bang actually took place, since all heat and energy and matter of the universe could not have been piled up in a dot smaller than the singular quarks that make up that matter. If we assume that this was the case, that state of everything being inside a "dot" could not change without an outside force adding energy or adding something to the equation to force a change of circumstances. That's just simple thermodynamics.

Then we have the question of where this matter comes from, because according to the laws of physics, matter can not create itself.

>>139500370
>Have the internet.
>Free access to objective truth.
>Want to convert to some fairy tale religion.
Conformity is easy, right?

>>139501576
You are thinking that a chicken will lay an egg and it will hatch into a different creature. The level of gradation to evolution is much more small then that. And we are not single celled organisms that reproduce asexually. We have to breed. With bacteria, they copy their own dna over and over. Unless introduced to new stimulus, theres no need for change.

It is not fiction because you dont understand it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

What do you believe to be the truth to how the universe was created?

>>139501611
The "first cause argument" dictates a supreme being and creator, so suppose the example of a polytheistic god/s, one would have existed first and aused the other gods creation and then existence as we know it.

>>139502275
Ladies and gentlemen, The centrists of religion.

>>139502197
Yes he is. Just because something exists outside of our perception of space and time doesn't make it not real.

>>139501998
>Free will can not exist without God
No, you retard, free will can not exist if there is am omnipotent creator. If he made everything and jnows everything tgen we don't make decisions, we just do what he made us to do.

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if yahweh or whatever is real, why isnt varg being punished? instead he lives with a white wife has white children makes blogs and table games and basically is a better person than the average christian/muslim/jew.

>>139502174
So maybe legal systems and rules of law have no basis?

>>139502388
I happen to believe in timelessness, so the same shit could literally be applied to the Big Bang, whereupon nothing became something. Beats creating an entire facade of some concoction of the human mind that we've made in OUR image.

>>139502462
>Except there still is no physical explanation for how the Big Bang actually took place

>what is red shift and blue shift

>>139502564
>Ladies and gentlemen, The centrists of religion.

agnostisim makes the most sense there are millions of gods how do you know you got the right one almost every riligeon has some form of hell too.
how can christfags/atheists even compete?

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>>139501773

Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R8viSgLTVM

>>139502174
Free will is in direct opposition of law and order. You spout sickening babble

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>mfw Catholic

Pls like me guys, I hate Muslims too

>>139502573
The Bible states that we all have free will

>>139500158
>God is real according to pure logic
im interested in hearing this argument.

>>139502275
One is to some degree backed by science and the other one is a completely made up fairytale. They are in no way equal.

>>139502334
https://www.gaychristian.net/

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Assuming Christianity is the right version of the worlds 4200 religions, which branch of Christianity is the right one?

If you are baptized wrong (sprinkling vs immersion) you are not even saved according to some branches of Christianity. Go to the wrong church and you are spinning your wheels, doing it wrong, and going to hell regardless.

Shouldn't OP wipe out all other branches of Christianity first to prove his flavor of god is the one true version? And then convert or exterminate all other faiths? Only then can he come around and prove his god is the true one (or at least had a better army) and pick a fight with the atheists.

>>139502732
>YOU CAN NEVER KNOOOOW!

>>139502506
> With bacteria, they copy their own dna over and over.
The theory of evolution states that we came from a primordial mix of molecules, so obviously that reproduction must have started somewhere and the "copying" must have turned into something else at some point. Scientists still have absolutely no idea how abiogenesis could have happened. The truth is that only God can create life.

>you dont understand it
Yes, I do. Even Big Bangers admit that they don't have an explanation for how the Big Bang was initiated or what happened before that, for matter to exist in the first place.

>What do you believe to be the truth to how the universe was created?
The Bible says God created the heaven and the earth and all living things, so far, that seems to conform with everything we know about reality. And God is still the most logical explanation to all things unseen. The Bible even says that. The proof of faith is the things unseen.

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>>139502741

>>139502573
He knows what you're going to do but doesn't make you do it

>>139502732
Our God said that humans had created other gods before

>>139502987
>god is real because i say he is.
just like how santas real and the tooth fairy.

>>139503036
>One is to some degree backed by science and the other one is a completely made up fairytale. They are in no way equal.

both cant anwser one qeustion what created everything? and what created god?

both need to rely on some blind faith.

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>>139502334
>he said based off nothing

Pic related, a neopagan.

>>139502469
>Conformity is easy, right?
Like blindly parroting what a million other retards say on the internet.

>>139502573
No, God gave us free will. Just because he knows everything doesn't mean he caused it. If I record a baseball match on TV and we watch it together the next day, I didn't cause the baseball match to play out the way it did just because I know everything that's gonna happen. God exists outside of time and can jump on the "timeline" to see whatever he wishes.

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>>139501571
Milo Y. Fred Phelps. the entirety of numerous cults that have directly arisen from christianity over a millennia of bastardization and heresy.

jesus may be able to afford to love everyone regardless of their shit, but humans sure as fuck can't. if an old friend does something incredibly stupid that harms himself/others and shows no sign of stopping his incompetency, you are a fool to continue being an associate of his, and an even bigger idiot if you consider him to be a friend in any regard. those who would continue to call their religion "christianity" even as they deviate from the original position are among these.

>>139502252
>forgetting that no true scottsman only applies for arbitrary factors that cannot actually be controlled, such as race, nationality, etc.
ideology is NOT an arbitrary factor you don't control, it is a conscious choice. if i claim to be a white supremacist but actively have sex with niggerbitches, then i am, in fact, NOT a real white supremacist

>>139502628
Fine, then you tell me what's the point in punishing people from crimes or even enforcing "laws", if free will does not exist and people have no choice in their actions.

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>>139501668
>everything in our reality must have a mover
>an initial mover must exist
>from where did the initial mover come?
>initial mover is outside the universe thus it can come from nothing
This argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
If there is some reality which allows for something to have no origin, why is it impossible that we live in this reality?
To put it simply, if you can assume God doesn't need an origin then you can also assume our universe doesn't need an origin.

>>139503122
>>YOU CAN NEVER KNOOOOW!

pretty much this whole debate of my sky dady can beat your big bang is a exercise in sheer futility.

>>139502723
Red shift and blue shift "prove" the age of the universe, it didn't explain what happened before the Big Bang or how the Big Bang was initiated. Even Big Bangers admit this.

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>>139500158
This is such a cute picture of Christ chan. Such deep blue eyes.

>>139503082
You don't have to be baptized at all to be saved but you should still do it

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>>139502148
>NotAllChristians

>>139503258
What? Source? The only things I've seen him write about religion are cursing the decline of Christianity.

>>139503300
If those speak objective truth then I'm on their side, if not then they're as bad as those who believe in religious nonsense.

>>139502862
No, law and order exist because we assume that people are free agents that are capable in their decision making and able to make rational choices.

>>139500695
>What is the Tower of Babel
>God's giving of the Land of Israel to the Jews
There is a fine line between being racist and, as OP said, believing that God made everyone to have their own homelands, their own countries and nations.

>>139502275
No, you've just created a strawman

>>139503337
So slave-masters who fucked their slaves but still believed they had a right to rule over them weren't still, at the core, white supremacists?

>>139503469
Do you have an alternative, Mr Englightened?

>>139503512
>You don't have to be baptized at all to be saved but you should still do it
According to just your local church. Your neighbor's version of Christianity says otherwise. Which of you is right?

>>139502987
Free will, morality, and matter can not exist without a God. That's the argument that atheists will never engage with.

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I just don't understand why, if omniscience and omnipotence are assumed, people choose to be "something" religious while condemning the rest of existence.

It's as if the most pious and devout believers were at the same time the most arrogant and diabolic ones.

>>139500158
JESUS CHRIST IS MY LORD AND SAVOIR

>>139503578
You can't criticize people for "conformity" then say "it's okay because they agree with me" when it gets turned back on you.

>>139503082
>which branch of Christianity is the right one?
Okay, so you're gonna go that path. The Bible contains the truth. It's up to you and me to reconcile with the truth of the Bible, so are you willing to concede that the Bible is God's word? Then we can have a theological discussion.

>>139501773
God has no limitation, and thus couldn't create a limitation for himself. Could God make himself not God?
>>139501867
blood thirsty kike detected
>>139502008
You have all the proof you need bouncing off your eyeballs and rning around in your consciousness.
>>139502178
How do we know any man is in heaven, even the saints? Thus why I only pray to Christ.
>>139502197
Something existed to initialize the big bang "pre-time", I call this God you call it nothing.

>>139501773
He did something similar to that. Is called "free will" an he gave it to the angels and to humans. That´s why the hell exists, because God never will interfere in your free will since he is God. But he is omnipotent, so when the Angels look at themselves ant think that they can beat God, then God comdemned them to Hell. Now the humans have fre will too, and they can choose to follow the good way of God, or the rebel way to hell.

>>139503232
Agree, agnosticism is the only rational standpoint.

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>>139503666
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqMb2zdfzwA

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ITT

>>139503634
>No, you've just created a strawman

not realy thats how these debates always end up atheist say what created god? and christniggers respond with what created the big bang did it come from nothiness?

to be fair to the atheist the have the upper hand in things like evolution and science.

>>139503641
>Do you have an alternative, Mr Englightened?

>wait for more information of the universe comes out.

>or become a LARPing pagan.

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>>139503666

>666

>>139503837

Agnostics are the hipsters of atheism

What's your opinion of Deism? The belief that God created everything, the universe, the world, and the stars, as a perfect machine to govern itself along the lines of science. I'm agnostic right now, but Deism seems to be the most appealing branch of Christianity to me. However, I'm not actually sure where Christ fits in with this...

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>>139503666
Lord have mercy

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>>139503641
>pollute your offspring's gene pool with the blood of someone supposedly inferior to you because you were a horny faggot
That's not fucking supremacy, that's just wanting the pussy b0ss

>>139503419
Because it pre-conditions others to not do so, not all of them, but most.

>>139503306
>Just because he knows everything doesn't mean he caused it
You fucking retard. Yes, the knowing doesn't mean he caused but creating everything knowing how everything would go means he caused it. It's the same retard shut every time with you people. Why are you so stupid?

>>139503837
>Agree, agnosticism is the only rational standpoint.

too bad its often associated with fedora faggotry and enlightened "centrisism"

>>139503877
But that's retarded. Europeans either converted themselves or in some cases where converted forcefully by other Europeans. The Norse, Anglo-Saxons, Irish, ETC. converted simply through contact with Christianity.

>>139503768
>so are you willing to concede that the Bible is God's word
Which bible? There are countless variations. Are we to assume your KJV is the one true bible and all earlier bibles had it wrong?

>>139503643
No, according to Jesus and his apostles.
John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
>15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
>16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
>18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
>36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

>>139500158
>Jsus died fopr your sins
m-me? b-but I didnt do anything wrong
s-see, im throwing the first rock at the infidels

I fucking hate Catholics.

>>139503657
I agree with the second and third point but how would freewill not exist without God?

>>139503894
YMMV but most atheists I've encountered don't really postulate a first cause at all.

>>139503786
That means he is not omnipotent,and he is clearly limited,since he can not create a limitation.Well according to people that believe in omnipotence,yes he can.And that's not even illogical.
>>139503793
How is giving free will equivalent to creating something can not lift?

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>>139503544
t. low-info pleb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vBZ5rPjPJk&feature=youtu.be&t=95
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WYw07n4Fgo&feature=youtu.be&t=427

>>139500158
When will you Christcucks unite Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox for the Final (anti-Muslims) Crusade?

>>139504074
>according to Jesus and his apostles
you're aware what your reciting has be compiled by several men through many ages after several translations right?
these might as well be the words of a random child molester drunkard shit.

>>139504036
KJV is best. The earlier ones are also good but they rarely print those now

>>139504175
>but most atheists I've encountered don't really postulate a first cause at all.


most atheist i met always respond with that when there desprate for arguments its basically the last ditch argument if your getting BTFU.

>>139504158
Neo-Catholocism or all of it? I agree the Vatican is utterly cucked right now.

>>139503438
>To put it simply, if you can assume God doesn't need an origin then you can also assume our universe doesn't need an origin.
Good question.

Because physical evidence points to the fact that the universe is not eternal. Time and matter has come into existence at some point. That's the entire point of the Big Bang theory -- it is to explain how the universe came into existence, because astronomical observations indicate that the universe has not existed forever. The Big Bang theory has other problems, but our physical observations conform with the Biblical reality of God creating the universe and creating the space-time that we currently occupy.

>>139502469
Religion is more like a club. I wanna see which one is most meaningful in my personal happiness. I dont do much

“Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment.”
Matthew 22:37-38 MEV

This commandment comes before all, before loving thy neighbor we must first love God and what God sees as transgressions, we must to see as transgressions for there is no greater love than what God has given us, if one does not believe in God and denies God so shall God deny him, God loves all but makes it clear that to be saved we must have all our faith and trust or in other words pour all our love to Christ, to believe the Word of the God Almighty has sent, that He atoned our sins through His righteous blood, to be offered a seat into the Lord's Supper, which is eternal life.

>>139502573
If I DVR the game and watch it tomorrow have I predetermined the outcome?
>>139502624
neither was Caine punished on Earth. You, like all men, will bow naked before the throan of God with all sins bared and be judged.
>>139502778
https://youtu.be/NgriVVhCM3c
>>139502904
Read your Bible and love Christ, and i'll love you as my brother.

>>139500158
I don't want to go to heaven, I don't want to live just meaninglessly in pleasure there.
I'd rather be reincarnated desu.
Why should I then be a Christian?

>>139504074
The necessity of baptism is one of the things that has divided the faith more than almost any other aspect of Christianity. "The water that dvivides".

You can't just cherry pick the bible verses that support your side that baptism is optional. The baptists with do the same to support the "baptism is 100% necessary". And that is assuming you are working off the exact same bible variant.

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>>139504389
All of it.

Please convert me to Christianity. Was raised Catholic, but never really believed and am now agnostic. For years now I've been having a low-level existential crisis and struggle to find any purpose to my life. I recognise the value of religion from a psychological and societal point of view, but I just haven't found any theological argument that I've found convincing enough. Feel like I'd be much happier if I were religious, but if you don't believe, you don't believe.

>>139504000
No it doesn't. If you went to the future and saw who wins the nect superbowl then went back to present time and watched it, did you make them win?

>>139500158
>God is dead
>I killed him
I dare you to prove me wrong

>>139504035
that is pretty much the same what is going on.
only this time there are even more shitskins and jews involved

>>139502275
There was always something, nothingness can't exist.

>>139503753
It would be sad if they don't want to agree with me, by doing so they reject the search for objective truth. However, if they do have additional info to enrich my knowledge I will gladly listen to what they have to say.

>>139502469
>tips fedora

>>139504158
tzhats wy you misinterpret the bible and end in hell, at least it doesnt include beeing raped by old gay man

>>139503986
That still does not explain why we punish criminals, which was my question. Let's assume we have the laws in place and someone commits a crime. Why punish that particular individual if he had no other course of action?

>>139500906
>Christianity is anti globalist
Pfffffhahahaha

The literal whole goal of it is to unite all people and corners of the globe to bow down before semitic kike god, literally saying put christ before your nation, holy shit there are people here who are this deluded lmaooooo

>>139504000
No, it doesn't mean that. If God is omnipotent he can create free will, and he did.

>>139504510
>If I DVR the game and watch it tomorrow have I predetermined the outcome?
Did you cause the game to happen? Did you create the universe the game existed in knowing it wouldead to that outcome? Fucking retard.

>>139504574
>cherrypick
It says "whosoever believeth" and "he that believeth" that would include people that weren't baptized

>>139504797
Please reply to >>139504718

>>139504550
Because you don't get to fabricate your own eternal destiny.

You only get to choose which one you want.

Well ok, got a somple one, prove that your bible was written by god and not made up by people.

>>139504510
caine was a jew whereas i am not. keep your jewish bullshit to yourself.

>>139504574
>The baptists with do the same to support the "baptism is 100% necessary".

No we do not, because we know about the thief on the cross.

>>139504898
It tells the story of the earth from beginning to end, which is something only God can do.

>>139504036
If we agree to the truth of the 66 books of the Bible I'm willing to have a theological discussion and a Bible study with you. Otherwise you're not here to have a serious discussion. As I said, the truth of the Bible is something that all Christians will have to reconcile with at some point, but we don't question the truth of it.

>>139504923
Cain was alive thousands of years before the first Jew.

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>>139504645
>Feel like I'd be much happier if I were religious, but if you don't believe, you don't believe.
I knew that feel a few years ago but somehow I managed to brainwashed myself into believing in God. I'm not good at converting people though.

>>139504797
Because we assume free will exists.

>>139504694
It's like you retards can't fucking read. Yes, the knowledge of the outcomes of events doesn't cause the events. But creating the conditions leading to those events does mean you caused those events.

>>139504885
Let's see the corpse.

>>139505010
Please reply to >>139504718

>>139504173
Because if God does not exist, everything in the universe is the result of a chemical/physical reaction taking place. If everything is the result of a chemical or physical reaction, then decision making does not exist.

no i'm not wasting my time with you fucking idiots anymore
if you don't know about the saturn moon matrix and that we descend from the gods of greek myth GO FUCK YOURSELF I HOPE YOU DIE

>>139504998
I can make up that stuff, why is this limited to God?

>>139500158
>God is real according to pure logic
So let me ask you this does free will exist? If it doesn't than how can god be just in sending people to hell if their fate was preordained? If you believe that free will does exists yet god also exists than how is that possible?

Put simply everything that exists due to previous conditions. All processes in the universe can in theory be predicted with absolute certainty if you have knowledge of everything, the location and direction of each atom, electron, perfect knowledge of the fundamental forces at each point etc. For practical purposes this is meaningless, sure you could predict the future but that requires that you know things that we cannot know at the moment, and the computing power to predict the future would require a computer bigger than the universe. However with the assumption that an omnipotent god exist means that these factors now have meaning, this goes double when said god is willing to punish you for all eternity.

Put simply since god is all knowing he already knew whether or not you would be converted and unless he intervened than he would condemn you to hell.

>>139505069
Just bloom where you're planted. Be salt. Be light.

>>139504485
Christianity stands for the coming of the God Almighty Himself, voluntarily, as a human to bring the good news that all who followed Christ shall be saved, and so it was when He was crucified on the cross, the Lamb of God eternally sacrificed, to atone the sins of all who were, is, and is to come. He was the ending of sin towards eternal life, to have our transgressions traded for His perfect life before the eyes of God Almighty at the final judgement. How many other religions say their god came to die not only for the righteous but for the sinners?

>>139505093
I was a fight on a metaphysical plane, I won, God disappeared now I proclaim with pride that God is dead

>>139503628
What is god giving Moses' sister leprosy for shitting on his Kushite wife?

>>139504645
Read your KJV Bible.

Romans 10:17King James Version (KJV)

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of

>>139504550
Because if you don't follow Christ, you will be punished for your sins. We Christians will have out sins imputed on Jesus Christ. There is not "pleasure here and now" and then dying. You will suffer for your sins, whereas we will not.

>>139505114
Pease reply to >>139504718

>>139505083
It means you caused the conditions, laid down the rules, and created beings with agency.

Personal responsibility exists.

>>139504389
ever tried old-catholicism, basicly the same as roman but wo pope
its pretty small and mostly focused around german speaking countries but they actually have their own state-colledges

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>>139504718
>a dead god lying around
Would eat.

>>139505155
You can make stuff up, but it will not come to pass.

30% of the bible is prophecy, and bible prophecy comes to pass 100% of the time.

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A debate with atheist fedora-Kikes? You have my attention good sir.

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Revelation 2:9 (KJV)

"And I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

>>139504299
Learn koine greek and read the original texts. Best version evar.

>>139504574
Case in point, it used to be normal for Christians to torture and murder each other while debating:
-How to baptize? (sprinkle vs immersion)
-Age of baptism? (willing adult who understands the importance of his baptism, or an infant baptized as a birth ritual)
-Necessity of baptism?

Your modern comfy church may feel baptisms are optional but other Christians were breaking bones and burning flesh to prove their view on baptism was correct. What if they are right and you were baptized wrong, and your local church leader was misguided?

How do you know you were not tricked into attending the wrong church? If the wrong kind of baptism or lack of a baptism means hellfire isn't it risky for a Christian to be the wrong kind of Christian? You gamble that god will just say "good enough, his heart was in the right place".

>>139505223
Are you 12?

>>139504998
ecxpt how you know the end is tru
if you belive falsly thats just as bad as beeing infidel

>>139504423
There is indeed physical evidence that the universe has an origin (big bang) but I believe a cyclical big bang system makes fewer assumptions than a God-inspired big bang.
The God-inspired big bang requires an origin for God while the cyclical big bang explains itself.

>>139504821
That's a lie from the pits of hell. Jesus came not to unite, but to divide. Revelation tells us that in the end times, Satan will come and unite all humanity under one Satanic banner, and everyone will THINK that he is the Messiah. Internationalism and globalism is satanic.

>>139505083
He created the planet but it's not like he dodn't create the stadium or the people that would play the game

>>139505235
Hamite, Midianite, not Cushite.

Because Moses was henpecked out of circumcising his son.

*grabs popcorn and scrolls down thread*

>>139505070
Exactly. And free will pre-supposes God.

>>139505039
>jews came from him
>but he is not a jew
???

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>>139505378
Forgot pic.

>>139504998
I can do that too and I'm no God.

>>139505114
God is God because there's nothing else. If we change words to describe this self-governing, "parmenideal" being to e.g. nature, your argument is moot.

>>139505376
Why fancy up a word that means "common"?

>>139505337
>Thinking this verse condemns Jews
It's condemning false Jews, which is noted by the phrase "and are not."

>>139505320
As I fought God, I pulled out my nunchucks of wisdom and pride, and mercilessly beat God, he rolled up like a little girl cowering crying as I beat him over and over again blood splattered everywhere, then I spit on God just to express my disgust and superiority. Then God disappeared.

>>139505333
Care to give some examples?

>>139504718
where's the corpse?
don't forget,the burden of proof is upon you

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>>139500158

>>139505378
Two churches.

One you are born into via baptism of the Holy Spirit, into the Body of Christ, into the family of God.

The other one is water, symbolic, and whatever church you feel comfy fellowshipping with, go there. Just make sure to leave if the Holy Spirit leaves.

>>139505471
>grabs popcorn maymay
Actually go back to plebbit, gaia, funnyjunk, or wherever the fuck you come from.

>>139500158
Stumbled across this on an obscure website:

http://www.thestandupphilosophers.co.uk/the-universe-is-nihilist/

What if the universe is without inherent meaning pol? That meaning, gods and religion are just products of anthropogenic minds?

>>139504821
Holy shit you're a fucking retard. When the world was as one nation God intervened and made them split up i to seperate nations and the antichrist will be globalist. Try reading the Bible you fucking retard

>>139505398
The wealth of past prophecies being true, and watching current prophecies come true, leaves me with no doubt that all prophecies will come true.

>>139505489
I said we ASSUME free will exists. We are still dont know if its real or not.

>>139505384
As I stood over the broken body of God and felt disgust for the wretched creature lying before me I realized life itself was the meaning of life, God was nothing I was everything

>>139503337
1 John 4:20
>>139503478
Prior to the 1960's, atheist consensus was that any notion of a creation event was considered a "religious" idea.
>>139504141
Mankind is inherently sinful and damned and the punishment is death.
>>139504202
>he cannot make himself "not-God"
this is your argument against omnipotence?
>>139504330
They have no opinion on first cause because that's admitting a creator.
>>139504857
You assumed free will didnt exist huh?

>>139505378
That was during the dark ages where everything was shit. Now we are against a single enemy (islamic terrorism). When we defeat islam we can get back to killing each other.

>>139505672
That was MY meme
I created it
I'm a leader, not a follower
*double dabs*

>>139505497
Jews did not come from Cain. Ham came from Cain. Ham's brother, Shem, is the father of the semetic peoples.

>>139505504
You cannot, actually. You can only delude yourself.

>>139505539
I had the impression this is how its referred, the hellenistic aka biblical greek.

>>139504550
There is no reincarnation, time is linear, and the soul of man is forever, the Bible brings this to the table in Revelations, that there will be a final day, when all are cast before the great white throne of God to be judged. You say heaven is meaningless, but you know not the glory of God, if you find and feel the glory, how much greater would it be in heaven where He will be with us? Or if you want seperation from God and you feel as if Gods not here now because you don't believe, how much more dread would you feel in the lake of fire, truly casted away from God's glory?

>>139505378
You see, here's the problem. You don't even believe the Bible to begin with, so to sit here and contend that the Bible is not true because people have different interpretations of it is nonsense. The difference is that Christians believe that the Bible is God's word. Whatever differences in interpretation we have between us is something that we will have to contend with and reconcile before God in heaven. If you're unwilling to accept the Bible as truth, as a pre-condition, then why even discuss Biblical theology with you at all?

What's your point?

>>139504898
https://youtu.be/3_2T47PAIkM

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>>139500158
Praise the thy lord be!
>>139500370
>Catholic
Anything but that

>>139505413
It does not require an origin for God because God is omnipotent and exists outside of space and time. Space and time are physical barriers. Obviously an omnipotent and omniscient God exists outside of these barriers. That's not making the sort of absurd assumptions that Big Bang requires.

>>139505814
You're a leader towards degeneracy you Pied Piper of bad memes.

>>139505635
>where's the corpse?
As I said earlier there was no corpse, Gods mangled body lay before me, as I was disgusted by the weakness of men that had brought God before me and forced this fight upon me. I spit on God to express my disgust for this creature of mans corruption and God disappeared
>>139505489
>>139505416
>>139505266
Please reply to >>139504718 Or are you intellectually unable to debate the slayer of God?

>>139505608
Daniel prophesied that 483 years after the proclamation to rebuild the temple was made, the Messiah would be cut off.

483 years, to the day, the Messiah was cut off.

Dry Bones prophecy: Dead pile of Jewish bones in the desert. They arise. They are given tendons. They are given muscles. They are given skin. They come alive.

Zion was prophesied to be reborn in one day, about 2700 years prior to the event. And on May 14, 1948, Zion was reborn in one day.

>>139505676
Then mankind has no hope.

>>139505661
>Two churches.
Why does god allow multiple churches and interpretations, and multiple bible variants (and biblican canon) if there is only one true word?

New age diet-Christians seem way too easy going and accepting. The believe in a god that is gentle and caring as they are. Sunday school level of faith that seems dangerous to me. The bible warns of severe consequences for fucking up and the rules seem pretty strict.

>>139500158
do atheists have an official waifu?

>>139505863
It is, sorry. Just a nitpick. Like the french calling snails "escargot".

>>139505841
I can say "it started, it'll develop, it'll end". There, I just wrote the entire history of everything without the riddles and meaningless symbolisms. We didn't mention an acceptable level of specificity, anyway, for our auguries to be considered as such.

>>139505982
Hmm spicy picture, I should couple that with some picture of Trump with a Kushner and some yarmulk, should be good.

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>>139506037
there is literally nothing degenerate about popcorn nor memes

>>139505907
>You don't even believe the Bible to begin with

That sounds like a personal problem to me. A personal problem that you have not attempted to overcome. At all.

>>139505775
Yeah, but why would we just "assume" that free will exists? Where does that idea even come from in the first place? Why couldn't we just assume that free will does not exist and instead have no laws at all?

This is the absurdity of atheism. We all know free will exists, and free will pre-supposes a God.

>>139504645
imho the more I learn about biology or the origin of life more I realize there must be a Creator. information being encoded in DNA just isn't going to happen without one.

>>139505907
Please reply to>>139504718
Do you fear the man who has killed your God? Do you fear the fires of the life I left after breaking both heaven and hell and leaving you with nothing to look forward to but a death of nothingness?

>>139505413
>while the cyclical big bang explains itself.

It does not, due to the noticeable lack of heat death we are currently experiencing.

>>139505788
>Prior to the 1960's, atheist consensus was that any notion of a creation event was considered a "religious" idea.
I am aware that the scientific consensus used to be that the universe was "eternal". Today we know better, and we know that reality will always conform with the Bible.

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>>139500158
Old Gods are real
CHECK EM

>>139505580
Try reading the Bible for once

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

1 John 2:22-23
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

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>>139506219
>trump
Dropped

>>139505815
they are all related therefore they are jews
why would you believe in fucking desert nonsense as a white person?

>>139505788
I clearly said he can make himself non-God,though,just that he can't do everything.Since he can not create a limitation for himself,he can't do that,and is hence not omnipotent.If he can create a limitation,than he has limits and can't do everything,hence not Omnipotent.You make it sound like being Omnipotent is the definition of God.

>>139505888
Time isnt linear, disproving bible. That was easy.

>>139506123
Only the first church matters.

The second church is for fellowship with like minded believers.

>>139504645
There are 2 paths to salvation:
1. Easy way - Blessed are the faithful
2.Hard way - Blessed are the meek (not recommended)
I choose atheism like you for a time, but it can be beaten. You have to find absolute humility, a broken state, in pieces, in a word humbled. Instead of cursing God at this moment, ask for his hand instead.

>>139505715
The world was never one nation you absolute fucking imbecile LMAO OOOOO

LITERALLY 60 IQ MORON GO BACK TO READING FAIRY TALES

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>>139506168
>do atheists have an official waifu?
Does the Amazing Atheist-chan count?

>>139506216
Yes, that's a wonderful tome, totally comparable to the 730,000 words of the bible.

Which detail said events.

>>139506050
Because you're a troll. You did not kill God because you can't kill God, because you're a puny human being.

>>139506275
I find that people who think DNA can just happen have no grasp on statistics whatsoever.

Like Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber: "so you're saying there's a chance!"

>>139506251
A man of God but nothing but a liar, you say
>We Christians will officially debate all atheists and Muslims in this thread.
But you cannot debate me, I am an atheist because after killing God I have given man the ability to either believe lies like the ones you spout or liberate themselves by embracing the divinity of life, by embracing the superiority of the ego.
You are nothing but a liar, like the God I killed

>>139506456
The Bible didn't predict I'd be wearing a black shirt today. Your point?

>>139501328
>self evidence

into the garbage we go

>>139506414
Genesis 11

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>>139500158
During the Mesozoic era, when dinosaurs flourished, where was Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Shintoism e.g. Did someone have to come along and think it up hmmm?

Wouldn't that make it just another man made idea?

Also why weren't dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible?

>>139506414
>The world was never one nation
Yes it was, during the Tower of Babel after the flood.

>>139506367
Again, Cain was about 4000 BC, and the first person who could be called a Jew, a son of Jacob/Israel, was about 2000 BC.

Lots of folks lived and died during that time.

>>139505907
>Whatever differences in interpretation we have between us is something that we will have to contend with and reconcile before God in heaven
How is that any different that an agnostic who is surrounded by similar but opposing faiths? Why can't an agnostic reconcile things before god in heaven as well? Why do you have to pick sides and give 10% of your income the fancy white and gold building down the street to help pay for the holy man's Mercedes?

>>139506376
And yet the bible says that a day is as a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is as a day.

Also stating that time is not linear.

>>139506569
>after killing God
Prove it!

>>139506502
>Because you're a troll.
I am no troll.
>You did not kill God because you can't kill God
I killed God and spit on the corpse to celebrate life in itself, to celebrate the ego, to celebrate freedom.
>because you're a puny human being.
I killed God and there is no heaven for you, there is no hell just nothingness. You can only lie o master of lies.

>>139506393
This is absurd.

There is one way to heaven, and it is through Christ Jesus.

>>139506624
>Also why weren't dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible?
they are
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rm0wfZ8Wbbo

>>139506032
You're setting up barriers for our universe then suggesting that there is one specific being they don't apply to.

>>139506414
All men were gathered at Babylon, on the Shinar plain, so yes. Babylon is the country of godless men.

>>139500158

Devout Christian and Nationalist here, I believe in evangelism, but I fail to see how you can think to win over rationalists and pagans with just Faith. "God is real because we say." Furthermore it's best to work within common bounds and physics, something as complex as a creator or intervention evolution isn't instantly impossible or necessarily heretical to our beliefs. Please don't make us all look like the two dweebs who say "God is/isn't real I have proof." This might as well be reddit then. Here's my take.

1
We can't prove God or the Christian Truth.
2
Evolution and the Big Bang don't disprove a sentient creator. In fact some people think our entire universe may just be a quantum simulation and it's ordered structure may reflect some level of design.
3
Biblical God is entirely for in group preference and the Bible stands as an Ethno-nationalist play book that Jew's fucked up and started caring more about tradition and Mammon than keeping fear of God.
4
Christ is the result of the Jew fuck up and instated a religio-nationalist system to replace it.
5
That system is both what brought forth Western Civilization (when combined with Grecco philosophy) and what is bringing its downfall (when perverted by Eastern Ideas like egalitarianism perpetuated by jews )

So you can argue that whether you believe or not a key to restoring Western Civilization may be restoring Christianity and traditions that protect the nation pagan or not.

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tl:dr but i just have to ask
Do any of these threads work at convincing anyone from the other camp to come over to the other on either side

>>139506575
Everything in the bible is true.

Not everything that is true is in the bible.

>>139506297
Who is to say the heat death is permanent and cannot lead to the next big bang?

>>139506740
You saw what I wrote to you? I killed God and spit on the corpse then God disappeared. By doing that I proved my superiority, the superiority of life and the superiority of my ego.
Why do you think a book written by men is more proof of God than the words I wrote describing how I murdered God?

>>139500158
I only agree with:

>God is real according to pure logic

>>139506830
They have to believe without seeing, just as every Christian for the past almost 1900 years has had to believe without seeing.

>>139506056
Have no idea what you're talking about. Can you summarize in simple terms? Whos the Messiah, what temple, Zion???

>>139506251
Because we as a civilization wouldnt be able to thrive, imagine the chaos lawlesness would ensue.

>>139506833
Yes, I have seen men saved on /pol/.

>>139506726
It is no different. That's why it's called "faith". At some point down the line, you will have to rely on faith alone. That's what religion means. The Bible says that salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ... It would be hard to have faith if God came down on this earth right now and proved himself to be real. That wouldn't require much "faith".

I'm just trying to tell you that the Bible is indeed God's word and that we will have eternal life if we believe in Jesus Christ. There is no way anyone could ever prove the absolute truth of that. You will have to come to that conclusion on your own, and if you do, the Holy Ghost will indwell you and be part of your life.

>>139506971
The loss of usable energy via every iteration of a Big Bang Big Crunch.

>>139501773
No, because God is logos and logos is God, and logic cannot contradict itself.
He cannot for the same reason He cannot make a triangle whose angles sum up to 181 degrees using eucledian axioms.
However, EVEN IF He could do the logically impossible it wouldnt matter to us since we are logical creatures in a logical world thus we wouldnt be able to comprehend such illogical actions so we wouldnt be able to talk about them or think about them since you cannot reason with nonsense.
This is my view. If anyone disagrees please share your objections.

>>139506560
right on, I'm also a programmer so the amount of information being encoded is not lost on me

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>>139506772
You also need the sanctifying grace (^:

>>139506833
Probably not, by rejecting their ideology/religion build on lies people would destroy their whole identity so they rather stick to what they're brainwashed into believing.

>>139506833
>Do any of these threads work at convincing anyone from the other camp to come over to the other on either side
There was a degenerate here who loved anime pron and claimed he was saved thanks to christposting. I am suspecting he is role-playing though but maybehe just turned his life around.

>>139506798
Yeah, because that's 1) an explanation for the existence of the universe, and 2) it's what the Bible says. Don't you see that faith is involved at some point, regardless of whatever belief you have?

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I don't think I could ever be religious
I was raised by parents who "didn't get it" and didn't bother with it, so I've always been pretty open to spiritual beliefs. But as I've gotten older I've settled on the idea that there aren't any gods or an afterlife because there doesn't seem to be a need.

No chariot to pull the sun across the heavens, no giant world turtle or wolf that will eat the sun. If you look back at different cultures in different times you can see they all had their own lore and no culture seems to be exempt from this, they all had stories and tales of creatures and things to explain what they couldn't understand because if there is one thing all people fear, it is the unknown.

So why would you think your lore and your stories are true when all others are ignorant falsehoods?

Two words; God Paradox.

>>139506976
Okay, but I asked you to prove your claims. Can you?

>>139506885
But that'd make my general history of everyting true too, because specificity is a non-issue. And I'm a mere human.

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>>139500158
To all Atheists. What is water and where did it come from?

>>139507086
Than he is not Omnipotent.

>>139506569
Whatever you killed wasn't God or we wouldn't be here. God is defined as the ultimate universal truth that came before all else and all is embedded in. The words truth and God were nearly interchangeable until around the enlightenment. If you killed truth nothing stands anymore, all our castles of logic crumble.

there is nothing to "debate"
your sky daddy is make believe
...the end

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>atheist here
God is fake and gay

>>139507023
>Because we as a civilization wouldnt be able to thrive
What is the point in "thriving" if free will does not exist and morality does not exist? There is no point. You can "thrive" by literally murdering everyone around you and taking all the women you can. Thankfully God gave you a moral compass.

>>139501618
>God
>physically
Uhhh

Also God as a nessesary being did not come from anything or something or nothing, since everything that exists came from God. He is nessesary and eternal.

>>139507023
Around 550 BC, Daniel prophesied that the temple would be rebuilt. That 483 years after the proclamation that the temple could be rebuilt, the Messiah would be killed.

The proclamation was made @ 455 BC by Artaxerxes.

483 years later was the passion week, that started with the Messiah (Jesus) riding into Jerusalem on a colt, to the cheers of the people, being examined and found innocent, and being crucified.

Jesus, overlooking Jerusalem, wept as He knew nobody was waiting for Him, that day, the day Daniel prophesied He would appear.

>>139507041
that's a beautiful thing. keep it up

>>139505223

You won ? maybe you need more refugees hans ? you lost faggot

>>139507381
>prophesied
kys
magical thinking faggit

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>>139506450

I hate preaching for atheism and I don't want people to turn to atheism because they tend to be lefty cucks. But you retards are forcing me to get a fedora.

>>139501998
Free will might not exist. But there are things that are truly random, like certain things in quantum mechanics, so maybe there is free will or some free will.
>>139500770
We didn't come from nothing. We came from processes that took a very very long time.
>>139501231
> Atheists contend that we came from literally nothing. It makes no sense whatsoever. It is physically impossible. The only explanation is God. Full stop. You have no logical argument against that.
What's physically impossible?
Assuming the Big Bang actually occurred, everything came to be from a singularity, marking the beginning of time.
If not, it's as logical to claim that the world just exists as to claim god just exists.

>>139507099
Confess out loud that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead, and the Holy Spirit will enter and sanctify a person.

The deal is only available by the grace of God.

The deal has to be entered into.

>>139507046
You can only talk to those who are weak, but you cannot speak to the slayer of you lord. O master of lies why should anyone believe anything you say?
I killed God and it was like he never existed.
You accuse me of lying instead of accusing me of my true deed which was the murder of your God.
I have murdered him, but you'd rather to talk to other people, you do not stand up for your dead master.
I stood up for myself and killed God, instead of acknowledging my deed you rather deny it and are satisfied with the answers your dead lord can never provide you with.

>>139500770
>I still don't understand how anyone can be an atheist while looking at the world around them. We did not come from nothing. PERIOD.
But the Bible says God created everything from nothing.

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>>139500370
Catholic church is shit tier, try non denominational house church.

>>139507231
True, and useless.

>>139507592
religion is shit tier
try logic and reason

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>>139500158
If god designed life, then why are there flightless birds? like ostriches and kiwis?

Why blind salamanders?

Why would god include genes for legs in a whale genome?

I'm a man a man of science who listens to fact and logic not a 2000 year old book, logic says that a man in the sky isn't real

>>139507564
>Assuming the Big Bang actually occurred, everything came to be from a singularity, marking the beginning of time.
Matter can not come into existence from nothing and the Big Bang can not be initiated from it's "original" state. Not even Big Bangers have an answer for this yet.

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>>139507551

If jesus attoned for all of the sins of the world, that means he knows of every sin that you will do. But we are also taught that we have agency and to choose the right, we can choose to be good or evil because we have the knowledge given to us by Adam and Eve after they ate the fruit... but God and Jesus already know who we are to be, and whether or not we belong in hell or in heaven.

This cannot be, and because the atonement is such an Integral part of the christian faith, it's easy to see it's entirely a fraud. However the values and morals of the christian faith are what this nation was founded on, and we are supposed to have god given inalienable rights -- remove the foundation of god and the entire foundation becomes weak and suspectable to damage (marxism or worse). Because of this I go to church, the lds church actually, with my family. But I don't pay tithing or practice fundamentally.

>>139507666
Piss of satan.

>>139505070
>>139505169
Would marionettes with out agency glorify him? Does a calculator make you feel loved?
>>139506369
>He can't make himself not omnipotent therefore he's not omnipotent
gtfo kid
>>139506056
Ezekiel 37 if anyones curious
>>139506251
Nicely put
>>139506275
My stem degree solidified my faith. The complexity of proteins are astounding
>>139506772
What is your point here? What bad incorrect assumptions did you make?

Okay, dispute this. Every single compound of which your body is made of, is not exclusively found here on earth. Rather, every atom and molecule can be found all throughout the universe, and by chance the molecules that form you found its way together. In a sense, your sense of reality is nothing more than the universe being aware of itself, so in that sense you could imply that the greater whole of the universe is in fact god. But the Christian god is a tool to manipulate people.

>>139507541
God knows the end from the beginning, and from time to time raised up a prophet to rely the end to mankind.

John the Revelator predicated that a 200,000,000 man army from the east, with hyacinth blue, sulfur yellow, and and fiery red, would march on Jerusalem at the end times.

There were not 200,000,000 people on earth that John could possibly have been aware of.

And he described the Chinese army perfectly.

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>>139507666
Logic and reason lead to the conclusion of the supreme being.

>>139507737
Just because God is omnipotent does not mean he caused all things on the earth to happen. The Bible says he gave us free will to ignore his law.

>>139507213
>Okay, but I asked you to prove your claims. Can you?
I proved them to you. I wrote that I killed God, my word should be as good for you as the word of the bible. But you can't debate the death of God before the Ego of one man, me. Instead you are asking for the proof that God made water to wine and resurrected from the dead.
>>139507280
I killed God, it was on a metaphysical plane it was an extended conflict and from which my pride and wisdom emerged victorious while God lay dead and broken to disappear into nothingness.
>>139507439
God is dead, I live, I won.

>>139507564
>everything came to be from a singularity,

And where did the singularity come from?

>>139503966
Christ is a literal and metaphoric combination of Man and The Divine. Essentially the ideal we try to attain by loving our people and turning our backs on those who turn us away. People conflate Christ as egalitarian but he isn't against the judgement of wicked and savage peoples. Look into Christ Conscious and Divine Evolution and then the Tree Of Life references in the Bible. Christ said any branch that doesn't bare good fruit should be discarded which essentially means wicked weak genes and bad memes that shouldn't be passed on.

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>>139507666
>Those trips.
Begone Father of Lies.

>>139507768
papist cocksucker

>>139507932
I'm a baptist.

>>139507364
>What is the point in "thriving" if free will does not exist and morality does not exist?

Why does there have to be a greater plan? Why cant you accept that you just simply are.