UBI

I cannot live without my Walmart job.

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This. UBI and based alt right haircuts for all.

wtf am I supposed to do all day 7 days a week while getting gibs, please advice.

>>139489691
I'm sorry that you live in a third world country that does not respect it's citizens.

>>139489409
>From Wage-slave to State-slave
Such Progress.

Do you not understand that when everyone has more money, money is worth less? Can you really not get that simple economic truth through your head?

If every person, bar none, had thousands of dollars to buy all the stupid and wasteful shit they wanted, prices would skyrocket, leaving the poor in the same situation they started in.

>>139489917
I do not labour for my existence, therefore I cannot be a slave.

>>139489994
Your understanding of inflation is hilarious.

>>139490000
>If daddy state, doesn't give me my allowance I die.

>>139489790
I just barely get by. That's alright. I don't plan to live much into my 40s as life never really started.

Just a couple more years to go!

>>139490045
you're an idiot

>>139490074
Well, I don't die. I just become a criminal/sustain my own existence through other means that does not involving labouring for someone elses benefit.

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>>139490234
You slave your existence away to earn a pittance.

>>139490258
>Becoming a criminal at the first chance.
HELLO NIGGER.

>>139490359
I am without a doubt whiter than you, my third world friend.

>>139489409
I don't need free shit to get ahead in life and I sure as hell don't want to leave a slightly better-off-than-me family without money to buy their kids shit.

>>139489409
Bro... where would they get the money to pay us with...

>>139490550
You're still a nigger

>>139490983
t. wave-slave

>>139490045
>britbong doesn't understand that UBI would break reserve requirements that limit inflation

Is summer over yet?

>>139490550
>Claims to be white
>Would become criminal at the first difficulty

Questions
How will they distribute it?
Will single parent mothers or immigrants receive more depending on family size?
How much are they going to give?
What do they expect me to do with the hours that I work instead?
Will I be taxed on it?

>>139491112
>lolbertarian in 2017

Have you worked your way out your minimum wage job yet, wagey?

>>139489409
When can i quit my job and get free money? Put my house in trust rented to me in perpetuum. Free section 8 and food stamps and UBI... Sweet ass deal.

Yeah my landlord knows that in addition to the money I make from my job I'm now given an extra $25k/year. What do you think will happen to my rent at the annual cost of living/inflation adjustment?

/thread

>>139490335

We really need to cull the leeches of society.

>>139490550
>t. Mohammad Bin Smith

>>139489774
Fucking this, Am I just gonna have to start going to the gym for 6-8 hours a day like Arnold did?
honestly that'd be fucking sick, but I just don't see it working out, all those people with that much free time can't be a good thing most people don't use their time well not saying I would either.

>>139490550
Youre off team Civilization, go live in the fucking jungle you degenerate monkey

I wonder what kind of effects a basic income would have on society. Would it lower the crime rate? Would it improve health by lowering stress? There are probably a lot of good reasons for it besides freeing people from slavery. People seem to do a lot of things they wouldn't if they weren't under the constant threat of starvation and homelessness.

>>139491551
Just stop gibs in case they are not looking for work. When work is found, they have to take it, or no gibs any longer.

>>139489409
>If you're against stealing and you're not rich you're retarded.

Alrighty then.

>>139491551
This, death to the capitalists.

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>>139489409
Well the issue with universal income is the fact that it will most surely come from taxes which will only damage people who work and pay said taxes. When they are hurt with more and more taxes, people will then rely solely on welfare and the universal income (if UI doesn't count as welfare). When that happens more people will opt out of the workforce and the pool of people you can pull taxes from will decrease and UI and welfare will eventually no longer be sustainable.

Basically get a fucking job you lazy cunt.

>>139491695
How do you justify your existence, beneath the boot of those richer than you? Is it some sort of delusion where you believe that maybe one day you'll be like them?

>>139491256
We already have basic income, welfare. UBI is just expanding welfare to include more people. They would set a minimum income number, and those who do not earn that amount would be given the difference.

I am against all forms of welfare
that is the job of charities, not the state

>live socialist dream of UBI with no strings attatched
>enjoy a life of hedonism
>people using their newfound time fucking, drinking, smoking weed and playing video-games instead of working
>more and more people join the ranks of those falling to the pursuit of escapism
>"they don't work, why should I?"

>then one day, the lights go out.

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>>139489409
I have no problem with this as long as its ground rents being captured to fund it. Taxing income and other legitimate forms of property would not be right

>>139491604
It does sound like disaster, I think we'll see certain increase in more degeneracy. I think we'll start seeing mental cases rise as well.
I'd just save it all, buy a yacht and sail the fuck outta here

>>139491796
>wah why don't you want to slave your existence away to make someone else who has a far higher standard of life than me money

Get a set of balls.

>Mass automation is coming
>thousands, maybe millions will be out of a job.
>everybody here pretends it's about greedy and laziness.

>>139489409
kim taeyeon~

>>139491914
Are you a rich capitalist?

If not, how can you justify treating yourself this poorly?

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>>139491796
If you capture ground rents and other sources of unearned income you arent stealing anything. Land was gods gift to man and all of his children should share in its bounty.

Abolish all taxes except for that on land value

>>139489409
That'd be theft

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>>139492315
depends on how its funded

>>139491865
what about when all the minimum wage jobs disappear as they reckon is going to happen? I'm not living of basic income that gives me no ability to do or go anywhere, just to survive that is fucking disgusting. All of it would be absorbed by the costs of living.

>>139491817
>Implying the state isn't the biggest enemy of Capitalism.
I live in a country that which public transportation si actually a mess of multiple private bussiness when our goverment privated transportation and sold the routes for the biggest price. 100% of the owners are peruvians that just cashed out from this(most of them started when they got fired from national comunication company that also got privatized).
Since then the goverment has been losing more and more power and the quantity of entrepreneurs have aumented

>>139489409
test

>>139492315
And?

>>139489409
So instead of wage slave (actually debt slave). We are a state slave. How is that better?

>>139491743

No, you retarded chimp. I was referring to the literal wastes of space that live off government gibs.

This was obviously too difficult a concept for your leech mind to grasp. Not surprising since you exist solely due to government subsidy.

>>139492715
see >>139490000

>>139489774
You could still have a job if you wanted more than the basic income provided or you could focus on improving yourself or society. Study, do research, operate a farm, etc, or just masturbate all day, dealer's choice.

>>139492719
If you yourself are not a rich capitalist, you're pretty stupid.

>>139491817

It's sad that you are literally not capable of understanding the irony of this post.

>>139489409
'Cause we don't believe in "Robin' Hoodie", you fucking Bong.

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You collect ground rents via taxation

the government acts as a trust and distributes the rent to all via a citizens dividend

you abolish all forms of taxation but that on the real value of land

land prices fall and economy booms. Urban sprawl and all its problems are stopped

everyone now gets their 200 from passing go

>>139492745
If that were true you would either have a machine that provides food and water and never breaks down. Also you would not raise children or clean anything. Labor is labor. Whether you sell it or not is up to you.

>>139492431
You still have the option to work if you want more income. UBI would cause a ton of people to quit their jobs, so expect a lot of jobs to become available.
You can't expect extra money for travel or fine dining in the UBI timeline. Materialistic people will fight for the remaining jobs.

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>>139492932
It's sad that you literally slave your life away to make someone richer than you even more richer.

Don't worry, your master thanks you for your work.

>>139489409
>If you care about the sustainability of your nation's revenue and tax system, and don't want to bring the entire system to it's knees because of nothing except greed and selfishness, you're retarded

It's no wonder your country is becoming an Islamist infested hell hole - Brits apparently don't give a flying fuck about their maintaining their country. Sad!

Don't you need to go watch Abdul and jafar tag team your sister? Or is watching while you a cry a hate crime now?

>>139492991
No you're right, you believe in millions living in poverty because the top 1% tells you this system works and youre just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire

:--------------)

>>139492431

No one who is not a literal retard works a minimum wage job.

You can make more than minimum wage working at fucking mcdonalds you worthless monkey.

You are literally more pathetic than a teenager slinging fast food. Why are you still alive?

>>139493092
Just more Marxist stupidity

>Socialist bong ignoring my post.

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>>139489409
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDkHLPanjkQ

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>>139493092
if you dont do anything about the land monopoly all that UBI will be absorbed by rents

>>139489409
>I'm poor so stealing is okay.

>>139489409
How will you pay for it though? We don't live in a post-scarcity or automation heavy world yet.

>>139492802
What about when those jobs are gone like they say they going to?
Am I just going to be given UBI jat the bare minimum just to live so it's all eaten up by the cost of living? Fuck that I'd rather kill myself.
I save money I don't spend it, If I'm not able to save money then how the fuck do eventually leave this miserable fucking Island?

>>139493101

It would be a net gain for society if we simply eliminated you.

You're a perpetual leech on society and worse, you're actually proud of it.

>>139493192
I work in haulage/transport dickhead, bosses abuse minimum wage.
go suck on mommas teet

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>>139493327
You pay for it with a land value tax

>>139493191
You seem to think the people have no power. All they need to do is 6 months of bare consuming (food and water) pay debt and suddenly they are more wealthy than people whose are paid twice as much. Also are you calling povert poverty or is it envy. What is the difference.

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>>139493384
You're literally a brainwashed deluded slave. I hope your annual income is in the millions, otherwise you're just as sad cuck that works to make others richer.

Meanwhile my entire life is free-time. I don't have a master telling me what to do and when, just so I can make him more money.

Pathetic.

>>139489409
>DUDE FREE SHIT LMAO

>>139493663

You are beyond pathetic.

I'm not sure you even qualify as a human being.

Your entire existence is dependent on the good will of society. Let's hope it doesn't last.

>>139493663
It should be legal to hunt people like you

>>139493342
Adapt you idiot. The economy changes all the time, we don't have horse and buggy drivers anymore. If you want more income, get involved in another area. Go to school and become a mechanic to fix all the robots that will steal everyone's job.

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>>139493848
>wage-slave jealously and anger

Don't blame me for your life being garbage.

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>>139489409
Ok..... where's the money coming from?

>>139493549
Does Marx not understand that buildings cost money to upkeep? How big of a retard was that guy really?

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>>139489409
I have a bachelor's in mechy and electrical I'm more than capable of sustaining myself and my family when we've flushed out the kinks in full automazation. You're useless and thus nature dictates you and those like you need to die off. I'm not giving anything to you or anyone when there's to many people in the world already.

>>139494018
Amazon Inc. Lmao

>Socialist nigger still ignoring me>>139492444

>>139489790
>it's

Learn grammar.

>>139489409
>justify
I'm not a lazy fat fuck

>>139493973
This is why we need to apply eugenics, please give us fascism and eugenics, I beg.

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>>139494048
I dont think you understand what land value is

has 0 to do with whats built on it

location location location

>>139490550
Then fucking act like it and don't advocate for nigger-tier behavior

>>139494018
same place it already does:
the federal reserve's account that is all zeroes to begin with

>>139489409
as long as it's for the employed only, the unemployed should get fuck all, i don't pay my taxes for it to get given to ungrateful pricks

>>139494230
>the plebs should be genetically modified to be obedient wage-slaves

You ARE one of the plebs you stupid fuck.

>>139492618
And? Accepting that means theft is okay and I can take your income, retard

>>139489409

Why should society pay for your stupid ass to sit around all day and do nothing? Who is supposed to pay for this socialist wet dream of universal basic income?

>>139493973

My life is fine. You are literally a ward of the state and proud of being completely useless. Society could decide tomorrow to stop feeding you and then you'd be dead.

The really sad thing is that it would be a net gain for society in every possible respect. Resources would no longer be wasted on you and no one would have to observe your smug feelings of superiority of your utter lack of worth.

>>139494343
>wahh why don't you work to make other people richer wah

Grovel at your masters boots.

I just really hate communists

How to get a living wage:

1 join the army
2 go to war
3 get banged up
4 fight VA for years
5 get check

Wait. Earning benifits is a lot of work. You bitches better stick to welfare.

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>>139494365
You're just a living vessel of shit though so how does it make you any better lmao
I would of fed you to the pigs at birth

>>139494378
Nope, and I couldn't take yours either because you're not an exceptionally wealthy capitalist.

>>139489409
They'd just kill us all, when we are not needed.

The method is up to your imagination.

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You are all fools if you cant see how all of this comes down to land. UBI, minwage, housing crisis, poverty, high taxes. ITS ABOUT THE FUCKING LAND

UBI sucks, I was on UBI for a while and it sucks, they always ask you if you are looking for a job every week.

>>139489409
How do I get free money in Brazil?
Can I apply to this shit too, or do only you fuckin first worlders have this cushy ass deal.

>>139489409
I'm against "Universal Basic" anything. It's just a part of the zionist "One world (x)" plan. One world religion, one world government, universal basic income, one world trade center (we have that already, whoops), one world leader..etc

>>139494297
location location location
>has 0 to do with whats built on it

nigga pls, it has everything to do with whats built on it, whats built near it, the local government's taxes, the nearby demographics..

damn retard

>>139494567
The ruling classes would be more efficient just making worker drone AI and then wiping you and the rest of the plebs out.

>>139494597
why do you feel entitled to the wealth of someone else, commie shitbird?

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>>139489409
>Wage-slaves, justify your existence.

Why don't you justify your own existence? If you require others to take care of you and supplement your finances, what point if existing do you have other than being a drain in others?

>>139494486
t. unemployed 30 year old neet in his mum's basement
Why should I pay my taxes so you can be a lazy cunt?

>>139490084
>The United States in 2017

>>139494844
Because I'm not a cuck that kneels before those richer than me and begs for scraps.

>>139494881
Unless you're extremely rich, your taxes aren't paying for shit.

>>139495001
>This is what socialist ACTUALLY believe

>>139494914
Is this UBI shit exclusive to brit-bongs?

How the fuck do I get that free money motha fucka.

Look at my flag, I need it.

>>139494788
no faggot

im talking just real land value. something the wealthy have so well obscured to everyone that you cant even fathom it

Land Market Value is the land rental value, minus land taxes, divided by a capitalization rate. (1) Each of these terms is defined as follows:

Land Rental Value is the annual fee individuals are willing to pay for the exclusive right to use a land site for a period of time. This may include a speculative opportunity cost.
Land Taxes is the portion of the land rental value that is claimed for the community.
Capitalization Rate is a market determined rate of return that would attract individuals to invest in the use of land, considering all of the risks and benefits which could be realized.
Land Market Value is the land rental value, minus land taxes, divided by a capitalization rate.

>>139494803
I'm not bothered about the "ruling" classes.
If you had to brain and brawn you would be able to do it to but you don't.
If you aren't able to function in a capitalist society then that's your problem not the states.
You could start a company tomorrow if you had saved money instead of spending it on drugs and false achievement video games but nah you're not to blame are you obviously, the state is for your pathetic existence.
Fuck me side way.

>>139489409
Sadly, most of these people are incapable of understanding, let alone accepting too much change.

Hopefully the new generation will grow up to have the wisdom of conservatism and the logic of progressivism.

Wishful thinking, most likely, but we can hope.

>>139489409
I work for a living because the world does not give a flying shit what I support or why. It just works a certain way. I am the kind of person to take advantage of how a system works to be at the top. Even if there was basic income, I would break it somehow. I would trade real stuff, I would build things and take cash jobs.

I have more than you now and no system exists where you can vote yourself to be my rival because I will always put in more effort than you.

I am not a slave, I enjoy all life has to offer and can provide a future for my family.

You are pathetic cucks waiting at their parent's house voting to rob real men of their productivity. You think the system has failed you but you aren't even playing the game. You blame your failures on everyone else but really it's your failure to adapt.

>>139495084
It is coming world wide. Don't expect to be able to buy a new TV or anything, it just covers shelter and food.

>>139495083
It's actually true in the UK, unless you're earning over £35K a year, you're a net drain on society. Even if you're earning slightly over that, you're contributing next to nothing.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2215070/Are-contributor-burden-nations-finances--Squeezed-middle-increasingly-dependent-state.html

>>139495001
>commie economics
Where do you think the money for the budget comes from, the magical money fairy? Fuck off and pick up an economics textbook.

>>139494803

They'd be more efficient if they simply stopped feeding you, too. For some reason this makes you feel superior.

I'm curious. Which African nation are you from?

>>139494914

Except that is literally what you are. I'm honestly amazed that someone this stupid was capable of applying for government assistance.

>>139489409
im for it i dont care about that country all i wish is its death while im comfy

>>139494914
You really are a liberal scum...
>begs for state money
>"cuz im not a cuck that kneels before rich and begs

You really don't have any coherent argument do you? Get a job and learn how the real world works.

>>139495404
The government takes from those that are wealthy and gives some of it to me for nothing in return.

You can keep deluding yourself into thinking your 40 hour a week job is comparable to that, but it's not to anyone with a brain.

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>>139489409
Yes brother, I fully support it. Fuck wagecucks.

>>139495500
How much dough tho?

>>139495469
I don't beg for shit, the state gives me it out of the pockets of the rich.

If it came to it, I'd just personally steal it.


There is no argument, you are a cuck that lives in servitude to someone else, working only to make them richer. You are pathetic.

>>139495196
God you really are a fucking niggertard. Did you not read my post at all? "Rental value" is basically the location and surrounding infrastructure/market, land taxes is the local government, and fuck you for being an ignorant nog.

>>139489409
UBI would be great in an all European, no degenerate society, but in the reality in which we live it would just led to get gibs now on a scale never before realised.

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>>139495500
pic related
this is an example of someone with these views when they hit 50.
>where's muh life gone, looking into the bottom of the glass

>>139489774
Fap like crazy

>>139495726
>guy living as a parasite
>has the gall to call someone else pathetic

Yeah... okay...

>>139495500
>>139495726

>i am literally a nigger

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>>139495766
>A land/location value tax (LVT), also called a site valuation tax, split rate tax, or site-value rating, is an ad valorem levy on the unimproved value of land. Unlike property taxes, it disregards the value of buildings, personal property and other improvements to real estate.

derp

>>139495874
>wah wah parasite

You're not rich and it's not your money that I take.

>>139495726
>I am a nigger, please rape my face.

>>139489409
UBI assumes a doctor's work is equal to that of a mailman. It does away with the notion of demand and supply, and further devalues important positions. Who would want to be a doctor when you make the same basic income as a nurse, a janitor, or a clerk at a pharmaceutical store?

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>>139495880
>I spend what little free time I have outside of my wage-slavery crying about people who have better lives than me

WAGEKEKS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>139495874
imagine being such a brainwashed fucking idiot that you oppose being paid to do nothing

>>139496043

You legitimately deserve to die.

>>139495952
The level of stupidity you communists display really confuses me. How can you be so dense?

>>139496068
American wage-cucks have the least amount of worker rights of any developed nation for a reason. They literally spend their entire lives making those richer than them even richer. It's pathetic.

>>139496136
I'm not a communist and I'm pretty sure a lot of communist/socialists would kill/gulag someone who has no intentions of contributing to society.

>>139489409
they are just poo-in-the-loos
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/india-self-driving-cars-jobs-take-away-taxis-drivers-minister-nitin-gadkari-road-transport-highways-a7858576.html

it's gonna end up in a violent gibsmedat rioting if ubi doesn't happen and a critical number of jobs are automated in the next 20 years i.e truckers, transport drivers etc.

>>139489409
If we stopped pretending that Fiscal balance mattered fuck all in a fiat system, then yeah, strap that UBI up. as long as I can work and make the UBI at the same time.

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>>139496068
Imagine being such a weak disgusting beta pussy that you aren't capable of supporting yourself

>>139496305
Archive
https://archive.is/p5nHd

>stage 1: denial
Wagecucks right now

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>>139495952
if youre advocating stealing a mans legitimate property i cant stand with you. The only way to support a UBI is via a tax on ground rents as land is/should be a commonly held resource. The UBI should just be a payment to people for the exclusion of land that is in private hands.

This way lolberts dont get all shitty about muh natural rights and socialist idiots like yourself still get free shit without really caring about where it comes from.

everyone wins

>>139496025
UBI is not equal wages...

>>139489409

you know, if everyone had the same amount of money it becomes equally worthless as it was, right?

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>Sorry, I can't attend your wedding. My mastah wouldn't let me free for the day

>>139496348
but im doing it right now ? but if you pay me to do nothing i wont refuse ?

jesus christ what a brainwashed faggot you are

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>money for free? that's only for the children of the rich, not a poor pleb like me

>>139493549
Okay, how do you determine the value of land? Not all land is equal. You can buy 200 acres of forested land in michigan or wisconsin for under $100,000. Do you know why nobody buys it?

>>139489409
we dont need more incentive for people to be losers

>>139496643
Hey, nice to meet you! What do you do for a living?

>>139496789
Jews?

>>139496452
>Argentinian behaves like a nigger

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>>139496789
because its not valuable and the tax on it would be near 0 while urban land has high values and would fund the majority of the tax burden

The LVT would discourage people from speculating on land and bring overall costs down

land should work for man not the other way around

>>139489409
I have more money as a person who contributes to society than niggers and/or nigger-like trash such as yourself have as non-contributors.

I like it that way. So fuck your communist bullshit.

>>139497177
You're still poor as fuck and a literal nobody, who cares?

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>>139497066
>peruANO slave defending wagecuckery

>>139489409
Value is created through work.
UBI removes the largest incentive to work. With UBI only the ones with a strong work ethic and self drive would still work. Society would collapse near instantly.

You fucking mongs.

UBI only makes sense in a country with mass automation of labor and service jobs (greater than ~65%)

If UBI, nobody works.
If nobody works, there's no UBI.
Therefore UBI is retarded.

The fact that you didn't have enough brain capacity to follow this simple chain of consequences is very telling of the kind of people UBI appeals to.

>>139489409
>against Universal Basic Income
Hardly anyone is sincerely against this. But who will pay for it? It would be as much of a logistical clusterfuck as universal health care in the UK and Canada.

>>139497406
t. wage-cuck

>>139497345
t.Resistencia con Aguante

>>139497177
You will still have a lot more money even with UBI. People are only going to get like 600-800 in a month from a basic income deposit.

>>139489409
I make ~50k/yr

UBI is fucking retarded. If I could get UBI I wouldn't work. Why should I? I'd instead focus on bullshit that does nothing for mankind. Just for myself.

Why work if you can just get money from the government. The system will implode.

>>139497380
The only workers left are the ones with a strong work ethic and drive, so all the shit tier workers would stay home. Wouldn't this improve things?

>>139489409
>You're stupid for not willing to pay every jobless cunt a 30k yearly salary.

>>139497264
Because the society that you think is going to sustain a program like UBI requires people to contribute, which less people will do if their needs are met when doing nothing.

> a literal nobody
Well I don't intend to be one forever, and when I'm not a "nobody" I promise worthless drains on society like you will be the first to get the gas.

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>>139489409
Because I am smart enough to be able to make more universal basic income would be. I wouldn't try to climb the ladder and I would have remained on my comfy job without responsibility and not having to do hard work but for all the beautiful Shekels I can get for hard work I work hard. So why should I work hard if I don't benefit from it.

>>139497894
People are going to be doing nothing soon enough anyway. Your life is already becoming more and more worthless as the days pass if you're a wage-slave.

Realistically it'll be the pleb wage-cucks like you that will be getting gassed when you're no longer of any use to the ruling classes.

>>139495932
So then why would location mean anything if you don't take into consideration what's built around it?

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>>139497614
t. peruANO

>>139489409
It's a pipe dream you retarded "uni" student. Print more money and the money in circulation is worth less not more.

>>139497406
This. UBI would only be possible in a fully automated world. Pro tip: this will never happen.

>wageslave for 3 months on contract
>$15/h
>no time to do anything except the weekend, too tired to do anything after I get home

>leave job when contract expires
>$3k in the bank
>$2k in roth IRA
>live with my parents so no rent expenses
>do whatever I want at any time
>play video games 5-6 hours a day
>make music for 2-3 hours a day
>time and money to make my own food
>work out for 1-2 hours a day
>read for 2-3 hours at night until I fall asleep
>golf with friends on weekends
>see my gf whenever I feel like it

I'm philosophically opposed to stealing money from rich people and redistributing it to people who don't work, but goddamn being a wageslave is so fucking depressing
I could live like this for 4-6 more months before the well runs dry and I have to get another temp job

>>139498085
Well for starters I don't make a wage I make a salary.

If you think that a society free of the need for labor is coming within our lifetimes, you're a dipshit and need to get off of r/futurology.

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>>139498110
because whats built on it is a fraction of what the actual cost is

majority of your home price is land value not structures

>>139497075
Well, if you only tax land people will stop using it for farming. I'd be okay with your tax plan as long as an individual or corporation owned at least 500 acres of land. If you start taxing small farmers we will have a famine. Most already don't make a profit without subsides.

>>139489774
I mean you could just get a job and have even more money if you wanted

>>139497264
Why don't you quit being a nanny state slave and fucking become one of the rich you nigger? You're a fucking criminal to be proud to be nothing but a leech to society. The state fucking subidizes my pathetic existence and in no way can I be proud to be a fucking criminal. I physically cannot do anything, I'm stuck to a chair and can't go out and truly make worth of myself, but you can. Yet you choose to do nothing and be a fucking lazy nigger because "waaaah waaaah becoming rich is too hard". Grow the fuck up. It has been scientifically proven that within two generations of work, your family can go from being dirt fucking poor to one of the elites. That's what Donald Trump's family did, his great grandfather came to this country with literally nothing in his pocket, but went on to make his family one of the most well off in America, off of being a fucking barber, but investing his money. But I doubt you care about your lineage, nor will your virgin ass ever get even near pussy to be able to procreate (thank the lord).

You're a selfish psychopath with a lazy side to it. You're fucking mental

>>139489409
Great idea! Let's pay people for existing. That's not going to cause more automation, more people having kids for welfare checks, or more people dropping out of the workforce.

>>139493342
make your own company and own the means of production by buying the AI that stole your job

>>139498630
Who said in our life-times? "You" referred to the wage-slave underclass as a whole. Your "worth" is dictated by the wealthy people who's boots you lick clean.

Enjoy slaving your life away for a pittance.

>>139497395
Or massive oil exports. Welfare in Kuwait used to be like $60,000 a year for a family.

>>139498812
You will never be a multi-millionaire, grow up.

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>>139498753
No, it would help farmers. In the first place, the LVT would fall primarily on urban land, not rural land, since land values are concentrated primarily in urban areas. In the second place, the increased cost of paying a higher tax on land value would be more than offset by (1) the savings incurred from paying lower taxes on everything else, (2) the reversal of urban sprawl (and thus of the inflationary pressure that sprawl currently imposes on the value of farmland), and (3) the increase in income that would result from both a higher margin of production and a surge in overall economic activity.

http://schalkenbach.org/library/george.henry/pp093.html
http://schalkenbach.org/library/george.henry/sp20.html

>>139489409
It's the exact opposite. If you're against giving yourself free money you're intelligent because you know it's not free, there is a severe penalty for it

>>139497783
Because those are the very people who will not work if you're giving the lazy fucks the fruits of their labor.

>>139498749
how many acres is that? the asterisk doesn't have anything attached to it

>>139498909
>cause more automation
proponents of UBI would argue that UBI is a result of increased automation, not a factor of it
>more people having kids for welfare checks
UBI eliminates this by having a flat amount paid out, with minor increases based on family size and age
>or more people dropping out of the workforce.
again, proponents of UBI would argue that this is inevitable, and UBI is a safety net

>>139498630
Not free from the need for labor, just reducing the amount of citizens required to participate in labor. If you have a job you will still be miles ahead of anyone on UBI.

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>>139489409
>gibs medats for all
>don't question it
Yeah, I'm gonna need some deets on your basic bitch handout plan before I consider explaining myself to the likes of you.

>>139489409
As a middle class man with decent high-paying job, I'm pretty sure I'll be much worse off on UBI since it's basically communism-light, so fuck off. I guess it works for you if you're a NEET or minimum wage worker but that's it

>>139499129
>how many acres is that? the asterisk doesn't have anything attached to it

not entirely sure of the methodology but its generally agreed that land value has increased quite dramatically over the last 50 years

>>139499277
>high-paying

In the millions I presume?

>>139498909
how much money is the welfare chekc s

what's wrong w all that

>>139489409
Sorry. I don't steal. Don't need to. I've always gotten along just fine without doing so.

>>139499111
UBI: $750 per month
Worker: $2200 per month

>>139499177
Then we already have UBI under a different name. Just call it what it is, SNAP/food-stamps and welfare. A stinkweed by any other name would smell just as foul.

I'm not against UBI. I also wouldn't intend to stop working. I like selling groceries to people. It keeps me active and I get my shit when I'm done with my shift, feel like part of the community. People who intend to just leech off the society with UBI are no different now than they will be then, useless NEETs.

>>139489409
I'd support UBI on these grounds:

- Food stamps, Gone
- Social Security (all types), Gone
- Mediacade/care, Gone
- Rent assitance, Gone
- WIC, Gone
- Unemployment, Gone
- Min. Wage, Gone
- ACA/UHC, Gone

>>139489409
> not wanting free gibs at the expense of other human beings makes you retarded
My useless liberal welfare leech detector went off the charts.

>>139490045
Read a book you illiterate wanker

>>139499036
You're right, I can't but you can. Why are you okay with taking other people's hard work while you do nothing? How can you be proud of that, even if you're just bullshitting and this is all bait? You have to have a mental problem, a sort of psychosis and a lack of empathy to even rationalize such a thing. Maybe you're young, and haven't been stuck to a wheelchair with nothing to do for years upon years, just rotting away while trying to find meaning in false worlds like Videogames or literature. You don't know what it's TRULY like yet, but keep on going. See what happens as you find you've done everything you can do, and then become bored to the point of suicide.

>>139489409
I don't feel the need to live off of other peoople's hard work. I like working, it keeps me stable.

>>139489774

Trade crypto

>>139497549
In a country with UBI, wouldn't anyone who worked still be a wage-cuck?

>>139499361
If you think you can fund UBI by taxing ebil millionares you're retarded. The middle class will take most of the burden as always.

>>139498909
Automation is a good thing, I for one want a world where no one ever has to work. UBI would mean welfare isn't a thing anymore, so having more kids wouldn't do jack shit. And of course if there's no need for jobs, there's nothing wrong with being unemployed

>>139499488
Yes UBI is expanding welfare to include more people. Anyone relying on UBI only will still be poor as fuck, they just wont be sleeping under a bridge anymore.

>>139499614
Nobody in this thread will never be a millionaire. It's a pipe dream that's not based in reality.

I do not take from anyone other than the rich, which is fine with me. Why would I care about taking money from people with four mansions to fund my existence? They can cry me a river from their holiday villa in Monaco for all I care.

Living in servitude to the rich is beyond pathetic, it's something you can only do if you are truly brainwashed.

>>139499943
will ever*

>>139499488
>Then we already have UBI under a different name. Just call it what it is, SNAP/food-stamps and welfare.
that's the thing though
SNAP/foodstamps/SSI/welfare are all horribly inefficient
eliminate all of them and give EVERY citizen something

instead of
>Nigger and 10 children, $40k/yr in benefits from all across the board, makes $57k/yr gross
>middle-class white family of 3, does not qualify for anything, 36k/yr gross

have

>Nigger and 10 children:$18,500/yr in free money and 17k/yr earnings, $35,500 gross
>middle-class white family of 3, $16,000/yr in free money, 36,000/yr earnings, $52,000/yr gross
or something
just spitballing the numbers

tl;dr welfare is fucking gay but if it's going to exist at least TRY and do it right so it benefits people other than niggers

>>139499761
No, a wage-cuck is someone that couldn't quit their job if they wanted too because they're so reliant on the income

>>139489409
If Ubi becomes a reality, I'm never working again.
>t. Every productive white man who makes the earth spin
Now Mr. Genius OP, do you not see the massive disaster in the making?

>>139489409
UBI is one of the major steps to establishing a permanent consumer underclass that will be too poor to have upward mobility but just rich enough to sustain the corporations and the state, they will be smart to operate the machines but not too smart to escape the grip of hedonism and mass consumerism that is already so prevalent.

>>139499839
>extreme sociopaths and other mentally ill are no longer culled annually during winter
no thanks

>>139500176
See Fritz Lang's "Metropolis"

>>139499450
Again, we already have that in the U.S., under SSDI + other state and federal handouts for bums who don't want to work. Stop wasting our time with your brilliant plans to reinvent the wheel.
You antifa want to play like there is a naked capitalism with no social net in the west, when the truth is we went full socialism a long time ago, which is exactly why our civilizations are so fucked up and filled with dissatisfied people.
We already have your UBI, and what we should actually be doing is getting rid of it.
>>139499839
>they just won't be sleeping under a bridge anymore
Of course there will. The homeless problem stems from the deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill, and the reduction in the number of beds available at asylums, not a lack of welfare programs. The guys who sleep under bridges generally don't want to be helped, and have to be involuntarily committed to get them back on their meds and back off the streets. It's a mental illness issue, not a safety net one.
You are conflating two separate issues here, don't do that.

>>139500111
Except nigger pack will still get benefits on top of UBI, bc being truly equal means that whites are still superior, and -everyone- knows that deep down.

>>139498993
> implying i'm not wealthy

But hey, it's OK if you don't understand basic economics. It's explainable even to a retard like you:

> In the past, goods and services were traded in return for goods and services.
> This was called bartering.
> Sometimes people couldn't barter something they had for something they wanted, even though they had something of equal value because the person who had what they wanted didn't want what they had.
> These people set up a system where pure value could be traded, and is recognized by other people with goods and services of value.
> The means of measuring this value was called "currency".

And "currency" is what's known as money, which I trade my services in return for.
I then trade that currency for other goods and services.

My worth is dictated by how much demand there is for my services, and how many other people are capable of providing it. If I think I can get more value in return for my services elsewhere, I go elsewhere.

Too bad you're a literal nigger with no skills to trade.

>>139500172
If you want a house or car you still have to work. UBI is going to be a really low number.

>>139499943
Lol. I made 350k my 18th year on the planet. That was nearly 20 years ago.
Get off your ass and go fucking get it. No one will give it to you.
What's funny is you think a million dollars is a lot of money. My wife and I nearly pull that in EVERY YEAR.

>>139497763
why the fuck work to make money for some other retard.

>>139500474
I've never heard of anybody with sense simultaneously support welfare as we have it now in addition to UBI. It has to be one or the other, or else it doesn't help the problem of market inefficiency

>>139499289
No shit, alaska was bought for pennies and is now worth millions. It's called inflation. It goes up at about 3% per year. Land will always become more expensive with time because as population grows, so does demand for that land.

>>139500500
Your post was too long to keep me interested in the boring drivel you spout. Hope your enjoy your work tommorow, wagey.

>>139500660
>350K

So literally nothing in the big scale of things?

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A life without struggle is a life not worth living.

>>139500398
If the Country has 20M jobs but 40M citizens, aside from just culling the useless population, what do you do about them?

>>139500787
Confirmed troll. Sage goes in all fields.

>>139500682
I've only heard white suburban expats and jews talk about UBI. Once things begin to manifest, eventually niggers get involved, and the gears of the white guilt machine start to rotate.

>>139499943
Nobody here will become a millionaire, but you can lay the foundations for your family, for something greater than yourself. Your mentality is that "I was born therefore I am worth", but it's farther than the truth then you think. I'll agree with you, living in direct servitude to the rich is a pathetic existence (being a maid, etc.) but as for you you literally benefit no one. You've never created with your hands to know what it feels like, you simply take.

Grow up. Why don't you start up a business? If you really don't want to serve others, that's an option. But even if our conversation goes nowhere and no opinion is changed, I want to know what made you get to this point? What made you justify being entitled just because you were born? Did someone fuck you over and now you're bitter about it?

>>139500633
Exactly. Say $3,500 a month per a single person, 6000 per a married couple, 7500 if they have children.

Sounds like a lot, it'll keep you alive, fed, and sheltered...except, when you want a new car, a bigger house, a new iPhone, etc. Suddenly you're going to need a job to pay for your luxuries.

>>139500817
More than you're UBI will ever amount to. He lives in luxury, while you'll only live with the bare basics

>>139501006
the only real solutions to the worlds' problems are genocides

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>>139489409
Go play a game of monopoly with someone who owns all of the properties but gives you all their money at the end of the round. Let's see who still wins in the end retard. It maintains the status quo of the oligopoly and plutocracy, unfortunately you strike me as a retard and can't see that.

>>139500111
These people should not require any assistance at all if the economy was run properly. The reason there is so much need is because we are running massive trade deficits, and are papering over it with handouts made up of fed money printing.
Shuffling around the fed money printing isn't going to solve the underlying problem, it's just a different colored band aid on an infected wound that has gone septic and may kill the patient if we don't get it taken care of right away.
We must incentivize the solution of this problem, we must increase the tension by cutting these handouts of fed borrowed money programs, so the pressure to reform our trade deals and stop the bleeding, and bring the work being done overseas back here, is brought to bear and sorted out.
This UBI propaganda is something Soros is pushing hard to muddy the waters so he can finish looting us before anybody notices the patient is dead on the table. Don't fall for it.

>>139501163
That is fine, but I'd rather people who were not rich spoke about themselves as such rather than pretending they were. Earning more than the average wage slave =/= wealthy.

>>139501249
i'd be willing to pay someone 50 bucks a turn to keep playing the game though, if i was that far ahead

>>139501064
UBI is going to be under $1,000 per month. You will need a room mate to afford housing.

>>139501064
>implying society would remain the same under UBI
UBI would lead to massive communes where NEETs pool their gib-bux to buy low-cost land and live in tents. STDs, drug addiction, and absolutely nothing of worth ensue.

>>139501249
>>139501445
misread your post, ignore me : ^%))))

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two types of people support UBI

lazy commies and psychopath evil libturds who want people to be dependent on them

>>139501516
All good

>>139489409
>UBI
>creating anything but a generation of NEET failures

Kill yourself, bong.

>>139501064
Okay, so if everybody get 3k a month won't that mean a big mac is now $20 and rent on a 800sqft studio apartment is $2000? Giving out money will only increase prices.

>>139501249
play the game with an LVT and everyone wins actually

>>139501371
It seems like your justification of UBI stems from a hatred of the attitudes of those who have an excess amount of money, rather than a need for a basic amount which all people earn to live

>>139501365
will literally never happen until the extremist wings of every political ideology take to the streets and massacre every scheming fed kike

there's no bureaucratic or economic solution to the situation we're in right now
just trying to make the descent more comfortable until it's time

>>139501551
Think about it m8. Take the entire welfare budget, and just split it equally. Think of all the shit-tier gubmint jobs which are now obsolete.

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>>139501646
This.

why would they just continue to pay you? after a while, they'll either just give you less and less and you'll have to take it or they just purge the population.

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>>139500862
>If the Country has 20M jobs but 40M citizens
Then your government has struck some bad trade deals, friend, and you must put pressure on them to reform them before the shell game collapses.
Just look at pic related. It's no coincidence that Canada's middle class is being squeezed. Look at those currency outflows. Chinks bring that money back in, and buy tuition and housing for themselves, driving the prices of those goods through the roof.
The canadian middle class is hit with a double whammy - the jobs have gone overseas, and housing and tuition prices have been driven through the roof when the loonies they spend on foreign goods are brought back by asians to cash in.

>>139501551
There is one other type:

>hardworking people who naively believe that most of society has the same good work ethic

>>139501654
How so? You still own all of the property, so any redistribution just ends up right in your pocket again.

>>139501845
nope they will still need to assistance with medical care because they spend all their money on nikes and crack while their 7th baby starves.

>>139499554
My conditions:

- Niggers, Gone
- Jews, Gone
- Spics, Gone

Then we can start to talk

i prefer independence from the state.

instead of creating a universal basic income that creates dependency. Government should push a universal independence program.

Use the money allotted for basic income and automation technology to help people become dependant on themselves for basic needs. Food, Shelter, Water, Electricity etc. Off the grid. Free from government.

>Give a man a fish feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he feeds himself.

>>139501653
This is the most obvious critique of UBI, and I was a proponent of that way of thinking for a long time, but I don't think it would be anywhere near as severe as it seems at first
Yes, the price of every individual ingredient of a big mac would increase and the inflation of the currency would be significant, but in the end a corporations' main goal is to make their product cost as little as possible to increase market share and profits. They would go as low as they could possibly get away with, which would be maybe 10-20% more than what the inflation of the dollar would be.
Additionally, wages may stagnate even through the inflation of the dollar. Wages haven't moved in a very long time, and the push for increased wages would be significantly weakened due to all the no-skill niggers leaving the job market to collect their UBI checks

not saying you're wrong, but I'm not so sure on how it would play out.

>>139501973
in that case you would be a minarchist, libertarian or mutualist.

>>139501027
There is nothing greater than myself. My own existence takes precedence over anything else. There is nothing "entitled" to wanting the best life possible for yourself, it's just a logical conclusion that someone who has some self-respect and values their own existence arrives at.

The people that delude themselves into believing they'll work their waves out of wage-slavery are the ones that need to grow up. You are a nobody. Nothing you will ever do is important and you will never amass a wealth that means anything. Enjoy your life while you can.

>>139502085
Welcome, brother.

>>139502083
>they will still need to assistance with medical care
Doesn't exist any more. You spend your money on crack, that's your problem.

UBI is the final nail in the coffin for any hope of a middle class. Just look at Europe. Middle class will be looking at 70% tax rates, enabling no saving because other welfare handouts will have a phase out of like 2x UBI. Then the rich will have won.

>>139501646
Unless you're a multi-millionaire capitalist, you shouldn't care. You're a pleb.

>>139502239
so why not have the same philosophy with money? you don't earn any thats your problem..

>>139489409

Fuck off, you disgusting parasite.

>>139489409

UBI is just another way to funnel government debt into the hands of the super rich. This is how its going to go down:

1) UBI is implemented
2) People spend all their money and the super rich collect it all
3) The government doesn't tax enough, driving it deeper into debt, because government

>>139502511
Kill yourself you deluded wage-cuck slave.

>be 2070
>ubi implemented in murica
>few remaining White men comprise over 30% of high-skill labor output
>most of the remainder comprised of Asian men
>women augment ubi with YouTube/Twitch channels, selling panties, and writing for lifestyle blogs like Salon
>niggers complain about everything

>>139501845
The point of welfare is to entangle people and guarantee their votes. Who do you think your kidding about wise use of such expenditures? It's a dole for a class of permanent dependents, you may as well talk about fair and just use of protection money by gangsters, and you are missing the main point: your economy is being run poorly, otherwise people wouldn't need handouts.
If you want to be a good citizen, and drum up support for something actually useful for your fellows, put pressure on the government to reform their trade policies, and end open borders. Force them to work for the citizen, that's their job, and they only slack on it because you let them, and you do that in part because they've got you snared with fancy acronyms like UBI, and envy over who makes more.
A rising tide lifts all ships. Going after that is the best use of your time. This other is just the product of being duped, but of course we've all been there once or twice.

>>139489409
You sound like a lazy turd of a student.

>>139502541
>2017
>government debt
>mattering

if no one collects, no one owes anything

>>139502188
As someone who owns rentals I can guarantee that I'd be raising prices if ubi became a thing. All of a suddent that mobile home that cost $800 month is now $1700 because everybody can afford it.

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>>139502634
>people like this actually exist

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>>139502455
>No, don't care about your country's future if you're not a multimillionaire! That would be bad!

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>>139502228

>>139501676
No, it stems from not being a slave to the privileged classes. The reality for wage-slaves is that they are owned by their employers.

>>139502210
>There is nothing greater than myself
>You are a nobody. Nothing you will ever do is important
I'll let the audience take what you said here at face value, and make their own conclusions on the state of your mind.

And with that, I must bid you farewell. Hopefully one day you'll understand the meaning of true self worth and find real meaning in life other than false pursuits. I wish the best for you.

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>>139502920
>works 40 hours a week to make a tiny fraction of what his employer does

>>139502901
true, individuals and entrepreneurs would be more than willing to raise prices to whatever they felt would sell, but large multi-billion dollar multinational conglomerate corporations would be unable to do such a thing

>>139489409
KYS Alexander.

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>>139503038
We all know you're a leftypol shill, so fuck off.
SAGE

>>139502487
Because you'd get strung up by a mob m8. You can't live off the land these days. You guarantee people enough that they're not going to starve in the streets and they can work up from that without any rioting.

>>139502847

If no one collects anything, it becomes impossible to sell new government bonds. The price becomes worthless. If you can't sell bonds, there is no money to borrow.

>>139489409
So where are we going to get all this money to pay everyone?

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>>139502931
>the privileged classes care about anything other than their own gain

>>139497549
In your hypothetical situation, it would work as long as there were enough emerging economies with expendable income spending it on the things we manufacture. If everyone else starts catching up, it'll just devolve to communism.

>>139503151
Truth hurts, wagey.

Now, it's time to go to bed. Don't want to be late for work tommorow in case mastah decides to cut your slave-allowance.

>>139503054
Dude, a whopper is the same price in miami as it is in chicago. Do you really think they wouldn't raise prices just to make a profit.

>>139503289
That's his point. It's the middle class strivers who go to gulag first under communism, so they have the strongest incentive to fight back against measures designed to level the middle class and create a revolutionary proletariat, like gibsmedatUBI.

>>139503411
>raise price of a burger by $2
>immediately price 1.32 billion people out of the market worldwide
I'm not saying they wouldn't do it, I'm just saying they would do exhaustive amounts of research to go as LOW as they possibly could while still making a profit
economies of scale

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>>139503375
Do you even understand what youre talking about?
>mastah decides to cut your slave-allowance.
You must be either retarded or trolling.

>>139503238
You know all those gibs that niggers were getting?

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>>139503719
>Mastah... I was only five minutes late because of traffic! Please do not cut my hourly slave allowance!

>>139503719
He's only a troll. Not once the entire thread did he address a single point raised, spouting pure ideology the whole time.

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>>139503960
So how are you any better than a nigger living off gibs?

>>139503824
So, after we take their gibs, where are going to get their gibs from? Afterall, it is 'universal' so we can't just leave the poor oh-press-ed kangz starve.

>>139504180
How are you any better than them also? You're also some poor as fuck literal nobody.

>>139503824
Except people against this retarded idea are saying
>there shouldn't by any gibs
and not
>gib me nigger gibs
Notice the subtle differences.

>>139504314
Stop avoiding questions, retard. Your ad homeim is bigger than your ego. Also can you prove that I'm not wealthy?

>>139504224
National sales tax (9%ish) + funneling the budget from the replaced welfare programs into paying for UBI.

>>139504454
If you're wealthy, why would I care about what you've got to say? Of course you'd cry about me not being a worker-drone that serves to make you more money.

>>139502776
This guy fucking gets it, all his posts are 10/10

UBI would make parasites out of workers much the same way welfare does right now. And less workers means less productivity which means less value created which means less value per person, it would impoverish us. Like that boat and rising tide analogy.

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>>139504595
I asked you how youre any better than a nigger slave. So answer me you imbecile. So far you've proved nothing other than that you're either mentally challenged or have birth defects.

>>139501913
How else is anyone going to buy all the stupid shit their companies produce

I would support this for accelerationism

>>139504347
Yes, but gibs DO exist, as part of a huge complex system that's really inefficient and hard to change. If you take away the huge complex system tailored towards Laqueefa and the sebben niglets, it's much easier to adjust the actual payout without cutting everyone off at once, starting a mass chimpout and fucking everyone over.
Think of it as a dividend from society as a whole.