UNPOPULAR OPINION

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>>139488344
Yep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poz6W0znOfk

>>139488344
Fucking this. The destruction of the old order, the German Empire, and the countless monarchies that got eaten up through both world wars is what set us on our current degenerative path. We'd have a traditionalist, cultured and Christian Europe if WWI followed by WWII didn't fuck it all up.

>>139488344
Hell yeah. Maybe we would be exterminating nonwhites from time to time to keep their population down. Muh muh human rights, fucking estrogen politics

>>139488532
Based Serbia right

>>139488344
>communism never would have happened
Depends on if the Germans won before/after they sent Lenin back to Russia to spread the communist virus

>>139488344
in regards to Alternate History, i always liked CP (Central Powers) Victory TLs. (Timelines)

also if the Central Powers had won WW1, there would be NO israel, NO saudi arabia, NO Al Qaeda, NO ISIS, and NO Americans going into the Middle East AT ALL. because the Ottoman Empire (also a Central Power) would still exist, and Middle East would be a peaceful and stable region. (inb4 Muh 6 Gorillion Kim Kardashians Gassed by Ataturk)

>>139488344
of course, and I would have colonized the moon on order form the King

>>139488344
>WW2 would have never happened, communism would have never happened
Probably. But something equally as bad or worse could have happened instead. So who knows.

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>>139488344

Empires > Nazi Reich > Democracies

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>>139489335
life is like a dice game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lshL_7PIRuw

>>139488743
Yeah, seems like that move backfired on them, didn't it?

anyone else try to prove me wrong on this Post:

>>139489190

>>139488344
>Basically, as the left wing is dominant in global culture, the right wing would be equally dominant in the other universe.
I've reached the same conclusion as you on this. I also think colonies would still be a thing in this alternative timeline.

>>139490145
You listed things that wouldn't exist, but think of the ones that could. There always will be groups and organizations you mentioned.
We are lucky, it could be worse. Think of ISIS, but bigger and nuclear armed or something.

Big bump!

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>>139490638
>You listed things that wouldn't exist, but think of the ones that could.

well for one thing, i dont think Ottomans would let jews in Palestine, so like i said, NO israel. and the Arabian Peninsula would be under Ottoman rule, so sausins cant take over, and they tool over thanks to the Brits IOTL. (in our timeline)

>There always will be groups and organizations you mentioned.

i dont think ISIS would exist, because there would already be a Caliphate, (Ottomans were the Caliphate) and Al Qaeda wouldnt exist either because Osama would be just another Camel Herder without (((Americans))) funding him or israelis (Mossad) recruiting him for escapades in the Deserts.

>We are lucky, it could be worse.

no we are not, OTLs Middle East since 1924, (fall of Ottomans) is utter shit.

>Think of ISIS, but bigger and nuclear armed or something.

are you implying modern Ottomans would be like saudis or ISIS but bigger?

>>139488344
but the thing is that ww2 would still happen, if we consider the fact that frogs would get bitter at losing against the krauts and they would fall to socialism, the same would happen to britain

>>139492515
pretty much all CP Victory TLs i heard of had WW2 with the Entente getting revenge at Central Powers.

>>139488344
The Slavs and Russia would create National Communism to resist oppressive German rule and supported by Britain and France they would rise in uprising and war that would lead to collapse of German Empire, probably recreating Wend States originally taken by German crusaders.

>>139492405
>well for one thing, i dont think Ottomans would let jews in Palestine, so like i said, NO israel. and the Arabian Peninsula would be under Ottoman rule, so sausins cant take over, and they tool over thanks to the Brits IOTL. (in our timeline)

"sausins"
"tool"

i meant SAUDIS and TOOK, but you get the point. im waiting for the Latvian to reply me back.

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>>139488344
If the central powers didn't start WW1, WW2 would never have happened, communism would have never happened, and Western nations would be exceptionally more traditional and conservative place

Basically, as the left wing is dominant in global culture, the right would be would equally dominant in the other universe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiXgOQ9_-RI

>>139492827
>National Communism

it sounds like: https://infogalactic.com/info/National_bolshevism

i dont think Russia would be Communist, because the Whites would win the Russian Civil War with German backing.

as for Slavs, i think all Slavic States would be German vassals, like a Big Poland having Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine, a Reverse Yugoslavia with Capital in Zagreb and a Habsburg Monarch, a Czech and Slovak states, and Bulgaria is Slavic yet was part of CP, so i guess they would still be buddies with Berlin if CP Won.

>>139488344
Well, Communism would still have happened. The Bolshevik Revolution would have happened anyway - the Germans allowed Lenin passage through Germany on a sealed train to Finland to destabilise Russia, and it worked. The Russians were beaten and Brest-Litovsk ensured it. The United Baltic Duchy would have endured, Finland may still have a king.

As for Austria-Hungary, that was on its way out for decades. Maybe if it won and if Magyarisation was more thorough, it could have survived. There would have to have been intense integration programmes across the Empire to alleviate the ethnic divides.

As for the Ottoman Empire, everyone knew it was dead. Atatürk would still have taken power.

The Triple Entente, though, would be broken. Germany would have exacted reparations from the defeated nations. France would be broken, we'd be fucked, America would lose a fucktonne of money. But at least there wouldn't have been a WWII, so by the time the nations have picked themselves back up, there wouldn't have been another war to waste money on. There would have been bitter people calling for revenge. Impossible to guess how much traction that would have gotten.

>>139492690
that doesnt make sense, considering that the germans basically own all of europe and africa and the losers wouldnt have any useful colonies left

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>>139488344
Woodrow Wilson was extremely stupid for getting us involved in WWI and forming the League of Nations. The LoN was the foundation for globalism, and letting nigger countries have power/influence over white ones.

During the 1800s, Europe and even the US basically controlled the world, and we did whatever we wanted. China tried to rebel against us during the Boxer Rebellion, so every major European power, the US, and Japan all bitch-slapped them.

Marxists basically ruined everything because they were weak faggots who couldn't be patient enough for labor reforms. Marxism caused the great divide between whites (left and right paradigm), and also the Soviet Union started funding rebellions in or colonial territories, causing whites to lose control there. Rhodesia would still be around today if not for Marxism and globalist liberals.

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>>139493317
>start

>>139489453
It's been going downward since the Fall of Constantinopolis

>>139492827
>Russia
No one is going back to Russia, especially if the monarchy stays intact. Even in satellite state mode, Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, and Belarus are definitely not going to want to be under Russian rule again. Besides, I don't know where you get this idea that German rule HAS to be oppressive. These countries would probably economically prosper under German leadership.
>Recreating Wend States
>Wend States
Ah I see, you're a Pole.

>>139493435
Germany would get more Colonies, but Entente countries would still have some of theirs, like Britain still having India or France still having Algeria, meaning that UK and FR are ready for round 2. even French General Ferdinand Foch said, "this is not a Peace Treaty, its an Armistice for the Next 20 Years".

Be very lucky the 20th century played out as it did. We could have easily gotten into a war that actually used the nuclear bombs we kept shit talking for the latter half.

If WWI and WWII didn't go as it did. Half of us could have been wiped out before the century ended.

hey, now where's that Latvian i talked with? continue our Mid East talks.

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>>139493433
>Bolshevik revolution would have happened anyway.
Maybe, but without the new USSR would still be pushed back further than it was in out timeline. Additionally, if the Kaiser won on the Western Front, he may have interceded in Russia to save his cousin (He did after all, hate the idea of even speaking to communists because he knew they would come for Germany and by extension him, next) but the military situation was desperate.
>Austria Hungary
If the new ruler continues along Franz Ferdinand's train of thought of a united Slavic provinces with proper representation to form a United States of Central Europe I think all should go well.
>Ottoman Empire
If it wins, it's not going anywhere for a while, especially while propped up by an even more powerful German Empire.
>Reparations
From France yes. From Britain probably no (They'd have no way to enforce it anyway) And even then, the reparations would be nothing like the Versailles Treaty because no fighting was actually done on German territory.
>America
America would lose a lot of money. I don't personally care for America. Wilson was a stooge of big business. America should find some other avenue to generate revenue than war profiteering like the Jews they are.

>>139492405
Don't be so naive. You think no new states would come up? And that societies would be immune to corruption?
And yes, any nation, group, or organization could become the alternative to Saudis, ISIS, shadow elites or whatever.
If there would be no globalists or terrorist states someone else you fill in their shoes in one form or another.
Greed and the lust for power is what made the world into what it is today. And those are thing you can't remove. It is in human nature.
>>139493941
Who do you think you are? You are not entitled to my attention.

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>>139493551
Nah, since christianity spread though europe

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>>139493490
>Confederate Flag

ever heard of Harry Turtledove?

https://infogalactic.com/info/Southern_Victory_Series
https://infogalactic.com/info/Harry_turtledove

the Population Reduction* never happened, but it should have happened, and will happen, Featherston did Nothing wrong.

*TL-191 Holohoax, but with niggers instead of kikes.

>>139489453

it's been going downward since the first civilization(that we know of) - the Sumerians.
Civilization is unnatural

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>>139489453
>>139494563
It has been going towards the shitters ever since when agriculture was introduced.

>>139488344
I couldn't agree more. I've been saying this to my friends in history class for so long.
WW1 shouldn't have happened and it's results brought degeneracy to Europe with the toppling of great monarchies like thr Germans'

>>139488743
True

>>139488344

The Communist/ radical random ideology bastions would be both France and Russia, the bitter losers in this scenario, surrounding a German-dominated Central Europe full of monarchies.

The UK would have been in a strange place: the central powers didnt want anything from the British empire, so it would have lost without lose anything important.

It's impossible to predict who the British would have supported in the case of a second war in Europe: The former enemy who share a similar ideology or the extremist old allies.

USA would have stuck with the Monroe doctrine, so no intervention in the old world as long the new world is left to them.

Anything further the 30's is impossible to predict anyway, but i think until that limit this is a really concrete scenario.

>>139493551
Russia was pretty close to conquering Constantinople had it not been for thr war since the turks were almost finished

Kaiser Wilhelm II was a hero. AND Franz Josef (a friend of his, and distant relative of mine) was given no choice but to protect Germans from Serbian attacks.

>>139488344
Wilhelm II was a moron though. Germany needed a leader with brains, instead he put his faith in Jewish bullshit with foreseeable results.

>>139495203

The british empire always protected Costantinople from Russian hands, and even during the war supported the option to make Costantinople an indipendent city-state under international protection. So the only way the Russian would have archieved it was a total war with both the UK and the Ottomans.

>>139488344
Implying this is unpopular opinion on /pol

>>139495267
Kaiser was the cousin of English Monarchy as well. And Russian monarchy. Truly, brother vs brother.

>>139494944
Can be argued that settlement and semi-urban environment decreases the intelligence, but agriculture and farming in European climate takes a lot of smarts and planning. Besides for a growing tribe and it's ambitions - you need a production of food (which can also serve as a back up when other means of gathering food are not working)

>>139494944
based snowmongol

>>139494535
>Don't be so naive. You think no new states would come up?

maybe, maybe not, but i still think a jew State in Palestine would NOT exist with Turkroaches still ruling the Mid East.

>And that societies would be immune to corruption?

not sure, but why not find out who is creating the (((Corrpution))) in todays World while were at it.

>And yes, any nation, group, or
organization could become the alternative to Saudis, ISIS, shadow elites or whatever.

well i think the (((Shadow Elites))) would still exist but they would be WEAKER in a such Scenario OP put out.

>If there would be no globalists or terrorist states someone else you fill in their shoes in one form or another.

really, who?

>Greed and the lust for power is what made the world into what it is today. And those are thing you can't remove. It is in human nature.

jews are the most Greedy and lusty.

and no im not asking for your Attention, just Opinions.

>>139494949
WWI was a direct consequence of degenerate monarchies. I know you crave something to believe in but suggest you don't try to make it any FAILED ideology.

Monarchic fail gave the world Bolshevism, Nazism, Maoism (though the Chink monarchy was mostly finished decades prior) and continues to give the world incompetent Muslim monarchies in the Persian Gulf.

Kaiserboos, Tsarboos etc never mention that Bolshevism only thrives on failure of other systems. You probably dream of pretty castles but forget the oppression and looting of the peasantry which built them.

The peasants didn't forget and killed or displaced their bad masters. That the replacement was often worse does not invalidate the reasons for revolution.

>>139495738
>Confederate Flag

>>139494773

>>139488344
It's not an unpopular opinion at all. These two videos on YouTube do a really good job of coming to the same conclusions that you do. Stop what you're doing and give them a watch.

Part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQW3VefRozc

Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBxLHCy_10w

>>139488344
its true, well done anglos, well fucking done

>>139495738

They fall because of an international war, not an internal collapse. a system is a true failure only if it's collapse without external interventions (just like the USSR)

>>139488344
> communism would have never happened
> forgets that communism is a german invention designed to destabilize and destroy other race's states
> forgets that Brest Litowsk caused the bolshewik revolution
Op is a faggot.

>>139488344

Communism rose from Russian serfdom. Makes sense since the old regime was much worse. Many people were actual slaves and had absolutely fucking nothing (by law).

Slavshits may claim otherwise but we all know how "Ivan the boyar" works.

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>>139488344
MFW Prussia would still exist.

>>139493900
Nuclear war in the 1960s would be somewhat better then liberals/jews winning (which they will)

>>139496339
Serfdom was abolished in 1861, about 20% of population (White one, who cares about shitskins lol) were serfs.

Many Europeans states had a higher % and cancelled it later than Russia.

Learn some history, gitano mauro the 4% nigger

>>139495570
I always forget how entwined they were. The Masons know how to puppeteer, I give them that.

>>139495697
This is very one dimensional thinking, but I'm too tired to sit here all night and argue. Make of that what you will.
Read Beyond Good and Evil by Friedrich Nietzsche if you want, maybe it will open your eyes as it did mine.

>>139494783
>Kaliyuga

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Israel has a right to exist and is the only moral alternative to the JQ. When Europe decides to get rid of their Jews, they have somewhere to go and will be made to stay there.

>>139488344
That's not an unpopular opinion here. What you're saying is essentially the summary of Pat Buchanan's Unnecessary War.

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>People calling the German empire the old order
>Literally a brand new nation

>>139488344
The eternal anglo should be best friends with germs. They both fucked europe over so many times

>>139497061
>Israel has a right to exist and is the only moral alternative to the JQ.
This desu. It's a shame they didn't go through with the Haavara Agreement.

>>139497061
That's the only logical conclusion. Palestine fags are shitskins, wackos and low iq morons (80% of pol)

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We should be striving for a nuclear-free world because MAD will not last forever (we'd be lucky if it lasts this century) and no amount of hypothetical conventional wars would surpass the prospect of blowing up the world forever, because that's literally the only outcome of all-out thermonuclear war.

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>>139497061
t. eternal anglo

>>139497524
Not an argument.

>>139497524
t. subhuman descendant of Syrian student to """""""""based"""""""" Warsaw Pact

>>139491686
Never has a collection of pixels so accurately summed up America

>>139488344
Communism uprising was already under way in Russia before WW1 was over. It would probably still have consumed Russia, but maybe been contained there. A slight change would have been on others to intervene in the Russian Communist vs. White armies clash on the side of the White armies - thus leaving Tzar in power - but I doubt any other nation would have been ready to fight for Tzar in Russia.

>>139494773
Yeah, I want to live in that timeline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BhBQWPCfkU

>>139497582
Israel is likely a puppet state of the US now. There is really no resources there, just an artificial state to make shit up and and a great possibiliy for the US to sell and try new weapons and "take care" of the Mid-East.
The jews should have assimilate and their religion should have gone extinct in the early XX c. because that was the tendency.

>>139497797
Achtung, achtung! We have found the Ashkenazi!

>>139488344
It isn't an unpopular opinion. We need to restore the monarchies. The aristocracy must be crushed for several generations because if we allowed it right now it would be a bunch of elitist jerk sjw techheads. But after a few generations of absolute monarchy we'd have a more virtuous class of nobility we could entrust the rule of day to day affairs. Democracy in general has to go though. We can still allow a sort of republic with votes and assemblies, but all must recognize the king's divine right.

>>139498219
If the Jews all lived in Israel, America wouldn't have nearly as much sway in the Middle East as they do or vice versa.

>>139488649
>estrogen politics
I'm definitely stealing this

>>139488344
This is common knowledge

>>139498650
>I'm definitely stealing this
you have to go back, faggot

>>139488743
That would have been a problem what would have been solved later in time.

>>139488344
If the central powers hadn't started the great war, the great war wouldn't have happened.

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>>139497524

>>139496604

>Serfdom was abolished in 1861

Sure. And Putin is a democratic elected leader. So is the president of Angola.

>>139488344
The Kaizer was an idiot who didn't know wtf he was doing and pissed off everybody. Germany died with Bismark.

The world would have been even better if ww1 never happened in the first place

If Germany won WW2 we would have more Communism. They probably would have tried to revolt in the UK and France

>>139499154
Ww1 I mean

>>139496604
you arent saying everything, anon. Russia was one of the last countries in Europe to abolish serfdom. Moreover it meant almost nothing to serf who gained freedom, but no land. Most of them still had to still work on field of their former masters because they have nothing.
Thats why narodniki threw bomb at Alexander II.
Former serf peasants were still deeply in shit well into 1900s and Lenin got large amount of them on his side by simply promising them land redistribution which they waited for over 50 years

>>139498637
It is more hypothetic than assimilating every Jew. Sincs the begin of the written history, there are jewish diasporas all over the world. Cf. Alexandria in antiquity

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>>139488344
>tfw stuck in this universe while some chad version of me is in the ultra conservative alt universe not shitposting away his will to live

>>139499287
You're wrong at any rate.

>>139492515
I agree but I think that Mosley would have gained power in Britain instead of any socialist leader. Can't say the same about France though

>>139497417
I literally want to get rid of nukes so just we can have mass conventional warfare again.

India versus China would be fun to watch.

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>>139488344
yeap

>>139499821
France had a very active fascist wing its intelligentsia, no?

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>>139499375
It literally isn't though, Jews will never ever give up their identity en-masse. It's far more likely that everywhere decides to tell them to fuck off to the Levant, like the 1930s.

>>139493511
Germany chose to attack neutral Belgium which was an Allie of Britain, the superpower of the time. And then britain called on her allies like Japan turning a European war into a world war

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>>139493317
>start

the war was inevitable, even without the dead Archduke Franz Ferdinand.
The Cold war between my Country and you Britbongs was the Big Barrel of Gunpowder, The Assasination was only the Spark.

In Fact, nobody who was part in the War is Unguilty (Besides Belgium and some other Neutrals)

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>>139499821
We need back the Capétiens!

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>>139488344
That's not an unpopular opinion on /pol

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>>139500294

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>>139493317
Start?

It was the butthurt french fags that went crying all over Europe for allies because they couldn't take on the Second Reich one-on-one.

>>139488344
Correct.

>>139488344
I fucking hate the germans
I will gadly die if i knew for certain germany will be destroyed in another war

>>139499084
Forgot to add to your sarcastic lines that "Portuguese are not mongrels". It was literally abolished, stupid nigger
>>139499320
They had plenty of option to progress even comparing to Western Europe and USA. In early 1900s Russia had the beset conditions for workers. Which is not really compliment to Russia, but rather a slam on worker's conditions.
Narodniki threw bomb at Alexander II because they targeted only politicians who were doing good. They deliberately asked within the terrorist cells to attack the most brutal police officers or corrupt politicians aka "let the state rot".

>>139500159
The French Republic outlawed communism a few years before WWII, so I'd say they weren't all leftcucks.

>>139488743
Remember that it was a Jew who worked WITH the German diplomat to send Lenin back.

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>>139500114
Can you edit out the turkic subhuman on the right? Otherwise GOAT picture

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>>139493317
Out of curiosity. Is there even a slight chance of the Tsars returning to Russia? I heard there was a politician trying to find the descendants of the Tzar.

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>>139500741

>>139500440
Because the Frogeater feared us after Bismarck kicked their Asses during the Unification-Wars.

They also wanted revenge, but as i said at my prev. post >>139500267 , everyone had done some shit

>>139500267
Germany's existence in part caused the great war by giving France a source of eternal anger and fear.
A united Germany was a mistake

Best Germany was > > >

Also, WW2 interventionists are the equivalent of modern neo-conservatives with hawkish foreign policies intervening in affairs that do not concern them.
>think of the women and children

>>139488344
I blame France for ruining everything

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>>139488344
I respectfully disagree as it was common practice to punish the looser and for the winner to extract a penalties. WW2 would simply have been Mosley in England.

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>>139500679
One and only.

>>139493641
>don't know where you get this idea that German rule HAS to be oppressive.
The Germans planned ethnic cleansing and massive economic exploitation of conquered countries. There were already riots and uprising against their rule during IWW.
All enemies of Germany would exploit this fact and basically any German Empire would face eventual insurgency and revolution.

>>139497148
Anglos and aryans are like ying and yang. 2 unstoppable and all powerful forces constantly at odds

>>139488344
>UNPOPULAR OPINION
>If the central powers won WW1,

> WW2 would have never happened,
Unlikely to be the case. Revanscism would still be powerf. Think Kaiserreich.

> Communism would have never happened
It was LITERALLY the german's fault and a plot to weaken Russia. Ffs, read a book.

> and Western nations would be a exceptionally more traditional and conservative place
Likely true. Hard to be more progressive than now, though.

>Basically, as the left wing is dominant in global culture, the right wing would be equally dominant in the other universe.
Unknown

>>139500904
>>139500741
>>139500625
>>139500789

>>139500625
>>139500741
>>139500789
The Roaches were not that bad back then, Habsburger

>>139500209
Well desu you are right on the idea that it would be better than now, but not a real solution since how can you force every Jew to settle down in Israel and you can count on the philosemites (like Károly Eötvös) everytime.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiszaeszlár_affair

On the other hand you can just ban the religion and there is no JQ after a while.

>>139493641
>Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, and Belarus are definitely not going to want to be under Russian rule again
Poles during IWW supported Russia more than Germany which offered them nothing. Ukraine was divided and Belarus as a nation was practically non-existant besides few romantics.

well yes, but consider following:
if napoleon had won, the plight of the power hungry anglo would have been removed from europe, and the world would have seen unprecedented glory

>>139500837
Unfortunately France thinkers in large part were inspirational to the creation of the USA so. As much as I love to harp on the frogs, they haven't ALL been retards.

>>139500734
No there is no such chance. They are literally those degenerates (most of them) who transform the europe right now.
http://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/g2898/modern-descendants-russian-romanov-family/

>>139500734
No. That bloodline cucked out. They belong where they belong. Nicolas II emancipated the tatars and build the hugest mosque in Europe. That's like a death certificate for Russian nationalist perspective. The only bad thing about killing his whole family is that it wasn't performed by pure blooded ethnic Russian in public square
>>139501009
>nonwhites alive
>good
But there is a truth to your statement

>>139501009
The aristocracy wasn't so bad since they were practically Europeans with a funky religion

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>>139493641
>Ah I see, you're a Pole.
Yes I am proud member of the nation that resisted Prussia and Germany for 300 years and eventually liberated itself, finally leading to eradication of Prussian state forever

>>139488344
Germans are fucking losers though. So not much can be done.

>>139488344
>>139501098
>>139501144
>>139501171
>>139501190
>>139501197
gommunism had to happen, just as fascism did. The forces at play demanded this. WW2 was just a WW1 round 2, but theres no telling how much crazier things would be had history not happened.

>tfw red alert

>>139501190
>>139501197
Wasn't Nicholas II anti-semitic though?

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>>139500807
it caused many Problems, thats true, but Bismarck did this because he feared that Prussia cant stand against 3-4 Global powers at once, so he created a new, European Superpower.

If Bismarck would be alive till today, none of those World Wars happend, maybe little territorial wars, but no Global Conflict.

But instead we got Wilhelm II and Adolf...

The Old Man knew what he done and the Risk, and he knew that the young Kaiser will ruin everything when he got fired.

>>139488344
History is not based on IF.

>>139501418
Further, the idea that you can shirk modernity on a global scale is absurd. History has a way of happening. Progress progresses.

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Pretty much. World War I killed millions and weakened Europe so much that communism was able to spread worldwide. All because of fucking Serbia. Good job, Serbia, and thanks for hating Austrians more than non-Europeans.

>>139501507
So is Hezbolah, and they are still not fucking White.

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>>139494944
>>139494783
This.

>>139493433
>As for Austria-Hungary, that was on its way out for decades. Maybe if it won and if Magyarisation was more thorough, it could have survived. There would have to have been intense integration programmes across the Empire to alleviate the ethnic divides.
Magyarisation was overblown after WW1, it was mostly effective amongst Germans living in Central-Hungary, Jews (yay) and the Rusyns and it wasn't really oppressive compared to the methods in contemporary countries. You can say a lot of bad things about Hungarians, but we were never really oppressive during our history, otherwise Slovakians wouldn't even exist nowadays for example.

Also a Federalization would have been inevitable because the Czechs wanted the same privileges as Hungarians got. Which we of course didn't want because we like to feel that we are better than our neighbours.

But the bad state of Austria-Hungary and it's military weakness was overblown after the war, there weren't many ethnic tensions in the military, as long as the commanders fielded them against nations they hated more than us (Poles vs. Russians, Croats vs. Italians), and the economy had the second best growth rate in Europe. Basically it was the last time this region was any relevant on the worlds stage and not a puppet to greater powers.

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>>139489453
The Great Northern War

>>139501569
The fact is that he died, like all men musty die. He had to realise that his power will come with a long-term cost.

>>139500965
You should read a history book. Destabilizing Russia would be fruitless had the rivalry not existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Freiherr_von_Wangenheim
>Also in Turkey at that time was the socialist revolutionary, arms dealer, and German agent Alexander Parvus. Wangenheim sent Parvus to Berlin in March 1915 endorsing Parvus' plan that Germany back the Bolsheviks against the Russian Empire
Alexander Parvus, what a good goy for supporting that, those damn (((Germans))).
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Parvus#Early_life
>Israel Lazarevich Gelfand was born to an ethnic Jewish family on September 8
Jews AND Germans worked together, Germans because they wanted to destabilize Russia, Jews because Bolshevism was like Napoleon's Jewish emancipation.

>>139488532
what we have now is better than "old cultures" who worship a dead jew on a stick

>>139501876
>fielded them against nations they hated more than us (Poles vs. Russians)
By WW1 Poles supported Russia more than any other partitioning power.Austria and Germany wanted to Germanize Poland, Russia offered us to regain Wielkopolska, Pomerania and Silesia.

That is true, but instead of communism things like monarchy would still dominate the world

>>139493433
>There would have been bitter people calling for revenge. Impossible to guess how much traction that would have gotten.
I think it's reasonable to imagine that a Hitler may have risen in France or the UK if they had lost imo

>>139501569
He was an undeniably powerful man. Of all the words of tongue or pen...

>>139502022
Indeed.

Not Bad....for a Nigger

>>139502182
Tradition, religion, and hierarchy sound awful

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>>139488344
Gavrilo Princip should never have been born.. Europe should never again fight against each other.

>>139500551
Russia had extremely shitty working conditions. it was true all over the world, but western countries improved living conditions of workers before things got too bad. In germany, for instance, "welfare state" was invetend as policy to outsocialze the socialists, thus turn them into irrelevant by taking their main platform. Russia was wild west of industrialization. Foregners came in, opened factories, gave workers nothing and tzar didnt care as long as he got money from the capitalists. Read Petrograd workers petition to tzar from 1905. And when the crowd presented this petition to the tzar, he ordered soldiers to shoot into the crowd. Nikolai II really did everything to push people into socialist camp, because he was so sure of his rule and thouth samoderzavie will exist forever.

Haш Цapь — Myкдeн, нaш Цapь — Цycимa,
Haш Цapь — кpoвaвoe пятнo,
Злoвoньe пopoхa и дымa,
B кoтopoм paзyмy — тeмнo.

Haш Цapь — yбoжecтвo cлeпoe,
Tюpьмa и кнyт, пoдcyд, paccтpeл,
Цapь-виceльник, тeм низкий вдвoe,
Чтo oбeщaл, нo дaть нe cмeл.

Oн тpyc, oн чyвcтвyeт c зaпинкoй,
Ho бyдeт, чac pacплaты ждёт.
Ктo нaчaл цapcтвoвaть — Хoдынкoй,
Toт кoнчит — вcтaв нa эшaфoт.

>>139502220
The best Politican the World ever saw.

>>139500734
there was a (fat) woman who claimed to be decedent of the tzar family . seen it on a youtube vid a while ago.

>>139502141
From what I've read Poles in the KuK army fought quite valiantly against Russians in hopes of freeing their homeland and maybe gaining a country of their own. And as far as I know from the three partitioning states Poles had the best treatment and least oppression in Austria. Russia was quite anti-Catholic and so is Prussia.

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Fucking dammit lads, why didn't we ally with Germany in WW1. We would still have our Empire.

I'm sorry Germany. Our King and your Kaiser would have made a good team eh?

>>139502652
>I'm sorry Germany
Cuck.

>>139490145
>Ottomans
>Being able to maintain ANY functional control of the Arab World outside of maybe fucking Kurdistan
The Ottoman Empire was too weak, and had been since the Tanzimat Reforms. The British and French taking their lands out of modern day Turkey was essentially a coup de grâce against an Empire who would've died with or without the war. The only thing that happened in the real world that probably wouldn't have it Sykes Picot and the Ottomans losing millions of soldiers in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere.

>>139502127
>what we have now is better than "old cultures"
Kill yourself leftist swine.

>>139502652
You only had to stay neutral for fucks sake, then intervene if the status quo gets too threatened. You fucked it up big leage.

>>139502377
he was just one member of terrorist organization. without him somebody else would take his place. the real redpill is that Franz Joseph should have died 10 or 15 years earlier

>>139502652
To be fair, Wilhelm II was an autist who only acted based on emotions and not logic. But I'm sure if George V had been there long enough for the times of Hitler, there wouldn't have been WWII.

>>139501876
I don't know about Poles but other Slavs were defecting in such large number that the Czechoslovak Legion was one of the biggest forces in the Russian Civil War.

>>139502652
All empires were on the way out eventually. It was never a practical long term endeavor.

>>139502515
You don't understand it, only Germany had anything better than Russia in those day for worker protection. Le West started to improve the quality of living only after Jew Bolsheviks couped Februarists

>>139502615
>From what I've read Poles in the KuK army fought quite valiantly against Russians in hopes of freeing their homeland and maybe gaining a country of their own.

Polish legions in Russia were the largest.
Central Powers weren't supported much because they couldn't offer us much and Germany wanted to annex a lot of territory from Russian Poland and expel Poles from there. Russian option was most favourable because it meant most of Polish areas united in one area.
Also by WW1 AH started supporting Ukrainian nationalists together with Germany

>>139488344
Niggas been playing waay too much Kaiserreich

>>139488344
If WW1 didn't happen, yes. As it occurred the aristocracy would still be ravaged and cause similar harm to our relative traditions.

>>139502797
It was an unpopular opinion I know.

>>139488344
This is supposed to be an "unpopular" opinion?

>>139503008
Grab a history book or three. Wow..

Autistic people calling scholarly dead world leaders autists. ha

>>139502652
Maybe, but the Cold war was denyng it.

>>139502941
>>139503008
>>139503100
Those.

>>139503088
>
>>139503241
I've never read about Polish mass desertions on the Eastern front. Czechs yes (though it got overblown) and Croats as well. On the other hand Croats fought damn well against the Italians on the most brutal and fucked up front of the war.

>>139503471
We could have teamed up against the commies

>>139503088
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Slavism

Neo-Slavism was a short-lived movement originating in Austria-Hungary around 1908 and influencing nearby Slavic states in the Balkans as well as Russia. Neoslavists promoted cooperation between Slavs on equal terms in order to resist Germanization, pursue modernization as well as liberal reforms, and wanted to create a democratic community of Slavic nations without a dominating influence of Russia.[1][2]

It was a branch of a larger and older Pan-Slavism ideology.[3] Unlike Pan-Slavism, Neo-Slavism did not attach importance to religion and did not discriminate between Catholics and Orthodox believers, did not support the creation of a single Slavic state, and was mostly interested in a non-violent realization of its program.[4]

>>139503263
>Kaiserreich
>le ebil Karl starts opperssing everyone in Austria-Hungary, takes all the privileges of Hungarians making it an ebil and miserable country
From what I've read about his life, he was a nice guy. Not really fit for a strong king, but definitely not a tyrant and he was very religious as well.

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>>139503263
Knock knock

>>139488344
How is that opinion to be considered unpopular?
Its just reason.

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>>139503525
>We could have teamed up against the commies

Dude.
DUDE

WE GERMANS CREATED THE COMMIES
we send Lenin with some Gorillion Reichsmark ($$$) and Rifles into Russia and let him start a revolution so we could concentrate on France and you Britbongs.

and i thought /b/ was retarded

>>139488344
>>139488411
>>139488532
No, because Germany would have put the same conditions on Britain and force a communist INGSOC revolution there.

>>139503429
Willy had a bad habit of not caring what the other powers in Europe think though.
>MUH SHIPS

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>>139488344
Maybe if they won straight away in 1914, but if if by win you mean in 1918 like the allies then some equally terrible thing would have happened.Communism was unstoppable by the end of the war millions were dead, even more left with no food or money.This would probably give way to more communist regimes all over Europe. Regardless of the outcome the fate of Europe was sealed the second Gavrilo Princip put a bullet between the arch dukes rib cage

>>139503429
Let me rephrase that post I deleted.
>Be Wilhelm II
>Call yourself savior of muslims
>Be very aggresive against France and Britain, which is the opposite Otto Von Bismarck did
>Base all of your actions in WWI emotionally
>Obviously fucking lose the war
>Not autistic.

>>139503515
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rarańcza
They consisted of the Polish Auxiliary Corps (known as the II Brigade of Polish Legionnaires up till the recent oath crisis), as well as some additional Polish units.[2] The Poles, having received the information about the treaty on February 12, and expecting, in the aftermath of the treaty further weakening of the Polish units, decided on the February 14 to join forces with the Polish First Army Corps in Russia by crossing the Austrian-Russian front lines.[1][2

>>139503910
Oh, I didn't know that. I apologise.

>>139503971
True dat

>>139504229
U must be 16 or something like that, because School should teach that shit in the Last Year

>>139488344
Here's a better one. The world would be a better place if the Treaty of Versailles wasn't about making Germany never recover. Fucking Entente.

>>139504335
They didn't teach us that when I was in school.

>>139503429
Care to recomend any good book, burger.
Wilhelm II was an autist. He was polio ridden cripple and everybody at court told him how smart he is, until he eventually started believing it. He believed he is great ruler and commander so he sacked Bismarck (who worked hard on european status quo) and started plotting a war, that eventually destroyed germany.
He was in fact so autistic, that he repeatedly asked Hitler to put him in power, and after fall of France he wrote to him "congratulation on taking france with my troops."
But when Hitler didnt put him back on throne, he then thrash talked him in British papers.

There is much more information of Willys autism in (you guessed it) history book

>>139504335
Our schools don't teach us historical events or figures. They only teach us about the deprivation and suffering of the average person in various historical periods. It's marxist through and through and has been that way since the 60s.

>>139504018
>openly ignoring request for help from last empire officials - tousends died near Estonia from starvation doing maneuvers against reds!
>supporting opposition
>No one budged to evacuate

>>139502880
Winning a world war against your greatest enemies, Russia, France, Britain would probable create a strong sense of nationalism and pride for the nation.

>>139504708
Right but what I'm getting at is even if the central powers won all of those things OP listed would still happen but instead in the allied countries. France even had to ban communism because it was that much of a problem for them

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>>139488532

>>139489416
^

>>139488344
Well, Germans sponsored revolution in Russia, so it's their fault anyway

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>>139504551
>>139504410
That makes me angry.

>>139500679
Here you go, posted wrong pic.

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>>139505745
Give pic related a read if you're interested. I think it's the third chapter that deals specifically with education.

>>139506288
Diana))
>abolish

>>139506552
What did it mean by this?

The original subtitle was "The Cultural Revolution from Lady Chatterley to Tony Blair" but it was revised for the US market.

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I thought if the central powers won WWI then we'd have seen a Syndicalist Uprising in France and Britain and Oswald Mosley would become leader of a totalitarian regime?

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>>139506832
>but it was revised for the US market.
>Diana
>US MARKET

I'm just triggered by Diana.

>>139488344
>;_; why doesn't the world just cooperaet when we declare war on everyone
Conversely, if Germany was destroyed in the aftermath of WW1 there'd be no WW2 either. There'd still be communism, unleashed upon Russia by the Kaiser, but that'd also be the case in your little fantasy. In fact, without communism Russia would've remained in the war until the very end and perhaps France would have an ally in its desire to downsize Germany significantly (rather than standing alone against an America that only had trade and profit in mind).

>>139506914
Ah, a fellow Kaiserreich player

>>139507409
Ah, I see that you're a man of culture as well

>>139507067
That's fair, so are we.

>>139488649

Eh..I think the farthest we'd get with culling nonwhite population would be sterilization..there'd still be radical leftists saying "we all bleed red," there'd just be less.

>>139488344
Too bad germany ruined it like always by getting the US involved

>>139505343
You just kill all of them, that's it. Or ban the movement, don't let it raise to revolution as it happen in Russia.
Revolution is not happening from nowhere and suddenly, revolution needs investment.

"It's not like central powers are that dumb."

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>>139502212
Not as much as you'd think.

The main issue with Germany is that it was blamed for absolutely everything just because it was the only country of the Triple Alliance that hadn't defected or collapsed. A Hitler wouldn't have arisen here. We had no grudge against the Germans like France did. Besides, none of our territory would have been ceded to Germany. Some colonies might have been, but nothing domestically to scar the national psyche and push it into revenge and fascism; no part of our country to carve up. George V wouldn't have abdicated, and there'd be no overthrow of the monarchy. We did that once, realised it was a big mistake and restored the monarchy after eleven years. No political void to be filled.

France is more likely, that I'll give you. They would have still been vexed about Elsaß-Lötringen/Alsace-Lorraine being German, but more so after their failure to take it back. The destruction of northern France, coupled with the French paying yet more reparations (they had to pay after the Franco-Prussian War) and the second defeat to Germany within fifty years would be a complete humiliation. Furthermore, as I mentioned earlier, there's the issue of colonial territories. Germany may have annexed French Dahomey into Togoland and parts of Congo into Kamarun. Maybe they would have taken Morocco. Domestically, they may have either taken the land around Nancy or demilitarised it as to further humiliate France for failing to retake Alsace-Lorraine. But for Germany to thrive after the war off of mainly conquests from France would further serve to create the conditions in which a Hitler would thrive.

>>139493317
please Mohammad, in detail, explain why France allied with Russia than? they knew there was beef between the German and Russian Monarchies, yet instead of staying out of it they agreed to ally and fight with Russia, when Russia mobilized an entire week before the Blank Check policy

>>139493317

>start

The alliances and military spending were in response to Germany's rapid ascent...it takes two to tango

>>139488344
>communism would have never happened
Germans literally funded Lenin and the revolution, naziboo.

>>139488743
Burgerland saved the commies, the French and the Britbongs wanted to shut down the Russian revolution, but Cuck Wilson and his corpulent colonial cronies didn't want a risk of the return of the Tsar and preferred the Bolsheviks.

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Should've conquered the world

>>139488344
Alternatively we should have destroyed the German nation and genocided the German peoples.

>>139500267
You were guilty of the sin of envy. You deserved hellfire.

We were Jacob, and you his brothers.

>>139493511
The first country to declare war was Austria-Hungary against Serbia. So yes, the Central Powers started WWI.

>>139500267
>inevitable
With hind-sight, yes. But many people thought such a war would have such large ramifications on the economies of Europe that it'd never actually happen.

>>139500440
See the first response.

>>139500734
Any chance of restoration died with Grand Duke Kirill.

>>139514304
France, after getting railed (pun intended) by the Prussians, needed strong allies. With Wilhelm ending the alliance with Russia, they were a natural choice as it'd open a war on two fronts.

>>139516130
>alliances
Alliances act as a deterrent to prevent war.
>military spending
A strong military is a necessity of a strong state, but a strong navy for a land power? An obvious threat towards British naval dominance.

>>139502520
There have been better politicians.
The only reason Bismarck is looked upon as great is because he is surrounded by German chimps.

>>139488743
>>139489749
Never realized how ironic the whole situation was

>>139488344
>communism would have never happened
Who sent Lenin on a train back to Russia again?
I'll agree with you on most other points.

>>139503931
You're playing too much Kaiserreich.

Even a victorious Germany wouldn't have the capacity to enforce a Versailles style treaty against Britain. Hell, Britain wouldn't have been able to enforce it against Germany in real life without the backing of the US.

>>139503931
Germany didn't want to control Britain.

Britain would probably have just conceded some of its empire, paid reparations and that would be it. It would still have existed as an independent country and probably would retain a sizeable portion of its empire. The most damning thing to happen to Britain would be Germany surpassing it in global influence.