Trans ban

I don't care about cost, I care about stopping progressive marxists from fucking up the world, this is at the very least a clear line in the sand.

First i doubt those (((statistics))). Second, even if they were true i couldn't care less because i hate faggots. In fact i would be willing to pay more taxes to eradicate them all.

>>139436819
>why can it not be left at that?

Because I'm a tax payer and I don't want a single fucking cent going to a handicapped military that actively spends my own tribute to frivolous shit like allowing a man to think he's a woman or vice versa.

>>139436819

I'm against people with mental disabilities being allowed to serve.

Turning you dick inside out or grafting some ass flesh on the front is a mental disability.

You are making the assumption that "tremendous cost" is only speaking financially...

Not all costs are monetary, you moron.

This is an argument for getting rid of frivolous viagra, not including trannies.

>>139436819

>Haha wow there's government waste in this area so government waste in another area is justified

Good argument, fairy. Come back with something meaningful.

Its about not having suicidal sexual degenerates operating heavy equipment and weaponry. Fucking retard.

>>139437002
This, plus military job is to fight, not to change sexes.

Sage shit bait thread

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Don't fall for the trans-jew pol.

That 42 million dollar cost includes retired veterans and also Vets who have military related ED issues

>>139436991
Spbp

>>139437113
ED is a valid medical condition.

>>139436819
>putting demonstrably mentally unstable individuals into a situation in which others' lives rely on them fulfilling their role.

>>139436819
This isn't about the money. This is about sending a message.

>>139437113
>>139437648
It's also used to treat high blood pressure

>>139437160
This

Also the military should be 100% focused on combat efficiency not social causes

>/pol/ can't cite any arguments that make a sensible case for banning trans troops
>calls it waste anyway and defends the military industrial complex

I'm convinced.

>>139438057
we want an elite military. If /pol/ had any say, there'd probably be a lot more bans than just transgender troops.

Keep in mind, I'm no way suggesting that anyone on /pol/ would be welcome in the elite military, but at least he mindset lends itself toward not having people who can't do pushups on the front line.

>>139438057
How can Trans people keep up their dilation routine in the battlefield? Oh that's right, you probably don't even know about dilation. All you know is facebook has told you Trans people are victim heros.

>>139438057
SAGE
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>>139438226
What other people are not defending you to your satisfaction?

>>139438248
I'm aware of it. I'm not aware of that ever being an issue on the battlefield.

>>139438420
it's not that I don't appreciate people putting their life on the line while I sit here and eat pizza and jerk off, I'm just saying the military should have an elite mindset. It shouldn't be inclusive or be obsessed with diversity.

>well he can't shoot for shit, but he cut his cock off so let's make him a SEAL.

that's the slippery slope I'm a little scared of.

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>>139438420
They have to dilate for about an hour, several times a week, with multiple sized "medical" dildos, just so the self inflicted wound between their legs doesn't close up. And this needs to be a sterile dildo, you can't shove a dirty object into a wound without risking infection. Tell me how on earth are they going to do this in combat?
>pic related is a self inflicted wound that never heals

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>>139437449
What am I looking at here?

>>139436819
>guys wtf just pay for their degenerate surgery look how much other money you're wasting

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>>139436819
>mfw you reach such degeneracy that you PAY to be maimed for life

>>139438808
Thats a female to male trans penis.

>>139437083
This

And since when did $9 million dollars become frivolous?

>>139438946
Looks like they wrapped skin around a potato

>>139437648
What you want some beta's who can't get in up in your military too now? What happened burgerland?

>>139436819

You can't join the military with asthma or general anxiety, why the fuck should we allow people in who want to cut their dicks off?

Seriously, tho... what percentage of trans people don't have mental issues that require medication to alter their consciousness? How many are actually mentally stable enough to be in the service? Look at how well Bradley Manning worked out. No issues there.

>>139436819

>The ban is just to fuck with transgender troops

it was more about stopping republican infighting on a bill in the house. He was asked to do it by republican congressmen. Of Course the whole story never gets printed.

>>139438906
not only are you maimed for life, but you also have to stretch the wound every single day or else it will close up

>>139437648
not just ED but can also treat blood pressure issues

Who here honestly thinks we should have mentally unstable people in the military?
what is the justification for that?

>>139438586
You have to meet physically demanding expectations, have no history of mental illness, and be competent enough to pass basic training before you step foot on any battlefield. The requirements are relevant to what's needed in battle, anything else is just social experimentation and idpol.

>>139438699
For one that's only relevant for MtF trans people, and second post-op trans people would not be deployable as it is but can serve in other functions.

>>139436819
Trans are less than .5% of the military, and they cost almost 1/4 as much as a widely used item?

>>139436819

Not to mention 45% of trannies try to neck themselves.

Statistic would be even higher with the stress and shittiness of military life.

>>139436819
Syria strikes used missiles that were going to reach their end life expectancy. Only a Democrat would criticize the fact after hailing it.

>>139437113
Lots of that spending is through the VA also, as mentioned before it's not some recreational drug. PTSD can cause ED, now are you saying, it's wasteful for a 25 year old man who wants a family to be given a chance if seeing someone blow up causes him not to get a boner?
The viagra debate is to people who know nothing about medicine and just want to screech and avoid a point they don't have any defense for.

The skinny is, Mattis said, 1 thing matters, war fighting ability, they crunched the numbers and tran sexual members would reduce that over all. So it goes.

>>139439139
>The only people with ED are the ones who haven't joined yet

Leaf

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>>139436819
>Military spends $42 million on viagra
>military is 80% male, many of whom will need viagra when they get older

>Trannies are an estimated 2000-6000 active duty troops
>Cost as much to give them hormones as it does to give 18 million soldiers viagra

hmmmmmmmmmmm, I wonder which has a prohibitively expensive cost?

>>139439324
There is no justifying it

Trannies are freaks, full stop. It's a mental health problem, not a legitimate identity.

The efficacy of military personnel matters. It's not a place where you want incompetents. That's why it's a victory for trans people to be in the military. It uses the (supposed) standards of military fitness to "prove" that trannies aren't the freaks that they are.

Don't care about the expense personally because it's not about that. You shouldn't give it to them because it sends the wrong message.

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>>139439409
>that's only relevant for MtF trans people
This is true, and they make up the majority of the Trans population.
>but can serve in other functions.
Great, so the military needs to install extra bathrooms on all their bases and act polite and memorize the pronouns of all the sick people or risk a lawsuit. That sounds great for morale. I'm sure the people enlisted love having mentally ill people around they have to cater too.

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>>139436819
>$9
Unnecessary cost. Either foot the bill for all your pills and surgeries, or gtfo.

This is elective surgery. No one judges trans people any worse pre or post op. They are all scum.

>>139439750
>80% male
It's about 85%

why were mentally ill people ever allowed in the military?

>>139440068
This.

Men hace a suicide rate 6 times higher than women. So we should ban all men from the military.

>>139440068
Cause the jews felt like fucking with our conceptualisation of "safety" and "sensibility"

>>139439828
I've actually touched one of those skinsocks

I honestly just want to cut my hand off now but that would make me as bad as those trannies.

Can anyone provide a breakdown of the Viagra/Cialis cost and why it's so much? Are there no generics for this type of stuff? I don't want to deny men the right to start families because of PTSD induced ED but that's still a lot of money.

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>>139440068
because Obama wanted to be the progressive president

>>139436819
consider the cost per soldier of all that. The fact is that the military has greater conserns than being progressive or whatever, are they fat phobic when they discriminate against fat fucks, or sexist when they dont allow women in combat roles. If you can prove that there no difference in combat effectiveness and costs by letting transexuals in you have an argument but as it is right now its just another progressive cause to take not because it would make the millitary better or anything but because we have to move foward and foward,

>>139439046
0.0003% of public spending doesn't come close to showing up on the budget.

>>139439468
Closer to 1/6 than 1/4 as if it mattered.

>>139439594
Statistics are varied, but discrimination certainly won't help them.

>>139436819
No one wants these lunatics in the military anyway. They should come to terms with biological fact instead of trying to force everyone else into their game of pretend.

It's not the money.

It's that I need to be able to rely on the person in the foxhole next to me. I can't risk it if they're already at a baseline 40% suicide rate.

>>139440233

We need men to fight wars effectively. We don't need trannies.

>>139440233
If women were any good in combat I'd be right behind this idea.

>>139436819
That's 9 million PER TRANNY.

>>139440438
Actually roughly the same proportion of trannies (43% in the study i read) list themselves as "unhappy" about being trannies in thailand, the supposed tranny promised land.

The stability of the suicidal/unhappy proportion regardless of cultural perspective or "transition" status seems to indicate it's something endemic to the condition.

>>139436819
Anyone who needs a daily prescription is not fit to serve.

People who "need" a daily regimen of poorly tested hormones (that probably cause cancer, as they were found to in post-menopausal women) and are at serious risk of crotch necrosis without regular access to a doctor are REALLY not fit to serve.

Sometimes it's not about trying to put people down. Sometimes it's about not letting people put the lives of American heroes at risk for muh morals.

>>139442376
9 million total.

>>139442397
I'm not sure why Thailand is the "promised land" or how their happiness proportions are relevant to the U.S. military. I'm also not sure what study you found, but I'd like to know the sample size and the questions asked to arrive at that 43% figure.

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>BTFO cut your own dick off
why do you need government involved paying for every mental illness?

>>139436819
>not counting recovery time.

>>139438057
It's impossible to deploy if they have to worry about keeping their surgery wound open.
due to the fact that hygiene goes to shit when you deploy. I seriously doubt a tranney can go four days of just using wet wipes to clean themselves after walking around in 100 degree heat all day.

If your argument is "they don't need to deploy" then they don't need to join, because the only reason to even have military members is to deploy, everything else is just training.