CHRISTIAN THREAD NUMBER 2

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>>139390529
>maldraw
No thanks that nigger burned all his bridges already

>>139390529
Why am I even wasting my time here

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>>139390529
All Christian denominations that follow the Nicene Creed are welcome! Pic related, God bless!

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>>139390529
Fucks sake, another one? Shall we just continue to shitpost in circles?

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Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

"saved through faith" well it looks like you don't have to do any works. "gift of God" you don't work for gifts you just accept them otherwise it isn't a gift. "not of works" well that's pretty clear you don't need to do works. "lest anyman should boast" just like the guys in
Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.(see John 6:38-40 for the Father's will)
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
It looks like those people were boastimg and relying on their works "done many wonderful works" AND they had faith "in thy name". But Jesus still told them to fuck off.
Looks like relying on your works like orthodox and catholics do has you NOT enter Heaven

Jesus said they work iniquity because thy rely on their works. Let's see what happens to people that work iniquity.
Matthew 13
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

>>139390972
Thanks for shutting up the autistic baptist, by the way.

>>139390529
>maldraw

Who's this faggot and why should I care? Is he that Malaysian fucktard that's been shitting up the board for a while?

god don't real

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>>139391282

>>139391412
yes

>>139391479
wrong

>>139390529
Praise the Lord

>>139391492
Whats this obsession with the KJV even based on?

>>139391492
>King Jew Version
Miss me with that shit

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Acts 16
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

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The path to the overman is without serfdom

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>>139391668
it doesn't suck ass like the shit new versions

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>>139391170
amen brah

>>139390529
Water is usually free, though?

>>139391668
Protestants are retarded and think it's literally the only real bible even though its creation was in the 17th century by a moronic English king

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Baptism
Need to believe.
Acts 8
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Fully submerged in water.
Acts 8:38
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Matthew 3:16
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
John 3:23
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

>>139390529
Fuck off maldraw we hate u

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>>139392162
U nigga be crazy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E34Oxc-lP6U

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>>139391170
Goddamn I hate Protestant monkies

>>139392471
Don't we all.

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>>139392471
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

>>139392162
Can I be a white male(with maybe 10% hispanic in him, can't tell, both parents were adopted) and race mix with a light skinned philipino girl? Shes the only christian virgin I met.

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>>139392223
>>139392262
>>139392308
>>139392374
notice how its mainly cathshits who say dont turn the other cheek be a violent dues vulter like me and go against jesus teachings

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>>139392471

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>>139392623
Races be shiet for de birds mang
Dont be belivin in kike lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buJDSuSey3U

>>139392636
Romans 12
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

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>>139392636
>TRIGGERED
ANIMU ONLY

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>>139392471

Talk about a victim complex.

>>139392601
This literally never happens
>>139392673
You prods are slack jawed, knuckle dragging apes who can't into logic and twist the interpretations of written gospels and scriptures to fit YOUR life style

>>139392636
Catholics have nothing to do with Jesus; they have their own Church of Peter thing going on.

>>139392946
>Christianity is a lifestyle.

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John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
>15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
>16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
>18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
>36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

>>139392944
I agree the sex abuse scandal is fucked as well as Vatican politics, but speaking purely on the grounds of theological argument, prods are cunts

>>139393167
This.

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>>139392946
>no argument

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Romans 4
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

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>>139393509
>>139392262
If the church canonized her i'd pray to her EVERYDAY

>>139393008
This is true. They ignore everything Jesus said. Meaning they ignore God.
>muh church fathers
>muh saints
Catholics, like Muslims, place Jesus in the 'pretty cool guy' category. They're not Christians.

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>>139392944
Da problem be dat dey be faggots an shiet. Der be nuffin wrong when u be fuckin snowbunnies when dey young. Honkey bitches be agin like milk.

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John 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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>>139393862
My brother, unless you have sought, discovered, and unlocked the wisdom of Ascended Master Yakub Ali, you cannot consider yourself #woke. Your third eye remains shut. You are sleepwalking in a white devils' world. You are like a child, shitposting memes when you should be reaching for the power of the Gods that is trapped inside you. You are pathetic. Only through wisdom shall you see what your Melanin can do for you, and will you climb.

reminder that the Bible isn't the "word of God", Christ is.

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>>139393854
Stop lying faggot
>see nincene creed

>>139394125
The Bible is the word of God
Christ is the Word of God

>>139394125
Bird be de word mang

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>>139393872
PLEBBIT
>>139393854
No church fathers, then no bible. No creeds, no incarnation, no trinity

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>>139394179
John 6:28-29: Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

>>139394221
No you dolt, the Bible is a compilation of scripture from the Old Testament and the written accounts of Jesus from the apostles. God does speak in certain places in the Bible but it was not compiled by God directly.
It was compiled by the Catholic Church around 300 ad or so
To deny this is to deny historical fact

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When I see tities on waifu, then I remember that Jesus Christ, God is MOST HOLY

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>>139394464
2 Timothy 3:16King James Version (KJV)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

>>139394471
Dat carton be flat like yo mommas ass

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>>139394679

What did you say?

>>139394619
and what scripture do you suppose Paul is talking about there?

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John 5:24: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

>>139394993
all scripture

>>139395069
including the letter he was writing to Timmy at that exact moment? Also, does that mean the scripture before or after the council of Nicea?

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Do you ever feel like there's coming a point where muslims will take over most of the world and you'll be given the choice to renounce jesus or die?
Do the right thing lads.

>>139391563
Wasn't he also the faggot who got paid to make Hillary Pepes/memes and posted them here? Didn't he also say that he didn't care as long as he got paid?

>>139395172
yes

no

>>139395319
Non-Christian here, would rather go out shooting than submit to that death cult.

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>>139395452

>>139390529
>maldraw
At least the gook is getting better at drawing and isn't spamming everywhere as much

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>>139395319

Dump your christ-chans

>>139395666

Needs to work on his dialog though.

Btw is he actually making money off this?

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>>139395810

>>139395319
>a christians wet dream

>>139390529

It aint gunmba suck itself

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>>139395953
Are you sure anon?

>>139395925
That right there, where you cross out NCV and substitute it with KJV is essentially Sola scriptura

>>139395953
Unironically yes, I've a thing for redheads so it's even better for me

>>139390529
i want to see that christ-chan's tiddies

>>139396206
yes, I am sure.
that armor was worn to kill whites btw.

>>139392262
>our Lord was making a pun
That has got to be the most retarded thing I have ever seen.

>>139390972
>Nicuck Creed
trash

>>139392262
gay

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>>139392471
>Protestants - 1517 AD
>Catholics - 1054 AD
>Orthodox - 325 AD
>Early Baptists - 33 AD
I guess those heretical early Christians went to hell for not worshiping Mary and praying the rosary, I presume?
I'd much rather strive to be as close to early Christians as possible. What's wrong with that? Why would I go to hell for not doing rites that were invented by men hundreds of years after Christ?

i wish some fashy christian would fuck the athiest gay out of me

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>>139397587
God damn that's retarded

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>>139397587
Nigga what?

>>139397587
and what was going on before 33 AD

how can any of you take this shit seriously when we all should have at least a basic understanding of history.

>>139390972
Catholics aren't Christian

>>139398033
Protestants aren't Christian, they're Jews.

>>139398190
>>139398033
you're both pseudo jews

>>139391170
>Pic
That's mormon propoganda, not protestant, you mong.

>>139398256
Not a Christian brah

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>>139397799
>>139397917
>>139397922
wtf I love catholicism now

Seriously though, answer my question. Did early Christians go to hell for not praying the rosary and worshiping Mary? The rosary was adopted hundreds of years after Christ to bait Pagans. The "queen of heaven" title was adopted to bait Egyptian pagans (Isis was called the queen of heaven). This is history.
>inb4 "lol u dumb" ad hom

>>139398604
just in case if you are muslim i want you to know that is even worse.

>>139398761
that's the thing
christianity is basically a scam gone too far.
no one burned in hell because abrahamic gods are a FUCKING JOKE.

>>139398761
Greco-Egyptians weren't worshipping Isis

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I'm lonely.

>>139391170
Do you know what faith is?
The Greek word means loyalty, not simply belief but loyalty.

When a Baptised Christian is willfully committing grave sin, would you say he is remaining loyal to his King?
Would it not be necessary to go and get those sins forgiven again?

>>139391668
The Church of England probably, it was called the authorized version first

>>139391808
Read the rest of it, he and his whole house hold were baptized

For we must be born of the water and the spirit John 3:5

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I am so tired of this denomination shit. I've been studying the history of the church in my search for truth for a long time, and it all goes back to one thing: no one knows what the first church was. You can argue that it was Catholicism or Orthodox, but no one will really know.
It seems like it is now a matter of if you submit to papal supremacy or not.
I am not going to venerate anything, there is no such thing as veneration. It is WORSHIP.

Don't delude yourselves into worshiping Mary or Peter. When the whole foundation of papal supremacy was building the church upon Peter, it is not enough for me to lay my faith down in the church.

Christ existed and was true, but all churches seem to be riddled with deceit and sin.
Help me, I want to find the truth.

>>139392219
Acts chapter 10, whole house holds were baptized

Acts 16, the same

Anabaptist theology on Baptism didn't exist until the 16th century

>>139399593
>The Greek word means loyalty
Pistis means the same thing as the English word faith. It refers to a knowledge or trust, or both.
>When a Baptised Christian is willfully committing grave sin, would you say he is remaining loyal to his King?
The saint sins mortally seven times a day.
>Would it not be necessary to go and get those sins forgiven again?
No, because as Romans 8:1 says, all sins are forgiven, past, present and future. No Christian is under any condemnation from God.

>>139392601
Yeah the Protestants were very civilized
A lot of Catholic saints and martyrs were made during the reformation in England

>>139390529
MIKE!
IT'S BEEN SO LONG!
HOW HAVE YOU BEEN!?

>>139390529
How do i find a church with trump supporters as the majority?

I live in washington.

>>139400639
Maybe they shouldn't have been attempting to overthrow the queen. Just saying.

>>139393008
Jesus appointed Peter
Matthew 16

>>139399986

>split off from Christ's One True Church
>wait a few centuries
>hurr durr I guess nobody really knows which church is the right one

That's where you're wrong heretic. You already know the truth, and which church was founded by Christ (hint: it's not any of the hundreds invented in the 1500's or later).

>>139398879
Not Muslim either brah

>>139393150
And the southern baptist convention condemned the alt right

Not reading at all is better than reading it wrong anon

Read John 3:5

>>139399290
The cult of Isis existed until the 4th century, before it was replaced by Christianity.
But that was just one of many examples. Fact remains: The early Christians did not have a rosary or worshiped Mary. It was arbitrarily added hundreds of years after Christ with no basis in any scriptures.

And you still didn't answer my question. Did the early Christians go to hell for not having a rosary? Will I go to hell for not having a rosary?

>>139393854
We were the first Christians before it was cool

Sola scriptura is circular

>>139390529
This doesn't even make sense

Why are you so retared, Mike?

>>139401048
I am well aware of the Protestant reformation. It is just as easy to say that the church was built upon Peter is a metaphor for his disciples to go out and spread the message of Christ.
It's the same as "if your eye causes you to sin, cut it out" yet I've never seen an eyeless Catholic. Metaphors exist in the bible.

Explain to me why I should bow down and worship the Pope and not just have firm belief in Christ and go about my life.

>>139390972
tfw got banned from server in 5 seconds

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>>139396513
EDDGEEE

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>>139394471
Christ was a messenger. Perhaps a prophet, but no God. No man is a God even in being descendents of Angels. They play trivial games, but they honor truth and justice before greed and gluttony.

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>>139401860
You're an Arian, and not the good kind.
How do you cuntsstill exsist?

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Stop molesting children

>>139401151

You seem to be confused. There is nothing in Catholic doctrine that requires people to pray the Rosary in order to achieve salvation. It is merely an act of devotion.
It was given to St Dominic in a vision, and the practice of saying 150 Hail Marys is reminiscent of chanting the 150 psalms, which many monks would do as an act of prayer.

You don't NEED to make devotions to Mary to be saved, but it helps. And us all being sinners, we need all the help we can get.

So no. Not all the early Christians went to hell for not venerating Mary. (Although, archealogical excavations of Christian tombs, catacombs and frescoes reveal that the early Christians did in fact venerate Mary. So it wasn't just the early Church Fathers who acknowledged the Theotokos, but all Christians.)

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>>139401511
Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. (Matthew 10:16)

Just a friendly reminder that place is for Christians only. If you are Christian, then I suggest create another account and change your IP and lurk more, fellow Christanon. Remember Romans 13 and respect authority where it's due. Don't give up! Jesus loves you!

>>139399593
>faith means loyalty
you're fucking retarded

>>139400754
Many were killed in the time of Henry the 8th the guy who started his own church because the Catholic Church wouldn't annul his marriage

If my bf and I masturbate each other but we're not married does it still count?

>>139400623
Were does it say that?

There are many passages that say that you must persevere to the end in order to be saved.
Now a Calvinist would say that Gods elect would persevere to the end because they are Gods elect,
Do you subscribe to that view?

>>139402500
Daily reminder that Henry VIII had a massive fuck up by seizing Church lands, he COULD have kept it to himself and solidified the power of the central monarchy in Britain, but instead he let the (((nobility))) take it, which in turn brought Britain out of the feudal system and into capitalism
TL;DR
Henry VIII not only ruined Christendom, he also ruined feudalism, what a fag

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>>139397587
4251 B.C.*

>>139402002
Sorry monkey. The red rose will live on.

>>139402372
https://youtu.be/Itsk944bufI

He is a Protestant scholar, article in the description

>>139403134
Neoreactionary in the house

>>139403134
This guy knows what he's talking about

>>139402284
So I don't have to do any of the practices outside the bible to be saved? For what specific reason are Baptists going to hell then?

>saying 150 Hail Marys
But Matthew 6:7 tells you not to do this. How can a vision blatantly go against scripture?
>But it's not vain
The second part of the sentence defines what is meant by "vain". You will not be heard for your much speaking.
And since you earlier said that it won't affect your salvation, why risk it? Wouldn't it be safer to not pray the rosary "just in case"?

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>>139390529
How many gods are there anon?

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>>139399593
What about when it says "whosoever believeth"?

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Romans 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

>>139403446
i don't need to watch a youtube video to know there word "faith" means "faith" and the word "loyalty" means "loyalty"

fuck off with your pseudo intellectual garbage you greek geek

>>139403671
There are a lot of reasons people go to hell, some Catholics will be there too,

1 not being in communion with Christ (John 14)
2 commiting apostasy

>>139404206
I'm always amused when prottie scum accuses Catholics of apostasy.

>>139404310
try not being such a roleplayer

>>139401549
nice numale pic, is that you?

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>>139404504
I prefer the original

Imagine being so ass hurt that you go out and pen and autistic thesis that only other autists (GERMans) could understand

>>139403878
What does it mean to believe on Jesus?
Does it mean to believe he existed?
Does it mean to believe he rose from the dead

Or does it mean to believe what he taught, which is to be born of the water and the spirit ( John 3:5),
And that those who persevere to the end shall be saved

Martin Luther believed in Baptismal Regeneration by the way

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Why morning /pol/ so shit for religion threads?
Every night we have nice threads but mornings are full of Redditors.

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>>139403860
It's best to not know whom God is. As he exists within. He just wants harmony. He has given truth, prosperity, freedom. all to be anulled by the way of greed. These beings do not see how foolish they are. They're takers, evil and wicked. Only two paths remain. Good and giving or Hell and taking. The time is near. Which side shall prosper hasn't been written. As the dwellings of infinity vs the title of Earth.

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>>139404009
Well it seems your mind is made up, you are not serving the God of the bible, but a God you have created in your mind

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>>139404496
Kek there is no such thing as a religious nu Male, they are all athiest, LIKE YOU NU MALE ATHIEST FEDORA PLEB

>>139404310
Oh sorry friendly fire

>>139404753
1 corinthians 15

>>139404908
you're delusional
faith doesnt mean loyalty
catholics, orthodox, protestants, baptists, etc all agree faith means faith

>>139404976
You are right Paul was not sent to baptize
That was somebody else's job in the ministry

>>139404753
protestantism is not a cult around martin luther

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>>139404804
>the church needs to be fixed
THE RENAISSANCE WAS FINE THANK YOU

>>139405013
Did you watch the video?
Or atleast read his article?

>>139405172
I meant you have to believe this

1 Corinthians 15King James Version (KJV)

15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time

>>139405290
But he posted a picture of Martin Luther
And that was a rebuttal

>>139405379
Acts 2:38
Repent and be baptized
For the remission of sins

>>139390529
If you celebrate christmas, halloween, or easter, you are not a christian, you are a christian-pagan hybrid.

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>>139404923
holy shit i remember you
you go full autism and start writing in all caps.

posting pictures of roman emperors and asking me why i don't worship them.

the absolute shit state of american christians

>>139390529
why did God forget to send a Jesus to the Mayans/Inca/Aztec/Natives/Etc...

oh because it is all bullshittt

>>139404206
>1 not being in communion with Christ (John 14)
>2 commiting apostasy
How are Baptists guilty of this?
I didn't abandon the faith. I believe in God and his word. I go to church and follow every word of the bible.
Do you think there are any Baptists that go to heaven? If not, what is it about "being a Baptist" specifically that will send me to hell?

>>139393854
Correct. If you do not have the Son, you do not have the Father. Just like Jews. Muslims. And papists. And Hindus. And Buddhists. Etc.

The Church will one day breathe with both her lungs again.

>>139394464

word of God.

Word of God.

Last hint.

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>>139405659
1. Faith is also the remission of sins
2. You have to believe to be actually baptized so you would have remission of sins anyways

>>139394445
>believe

This. This is your one job, people.

>>139405812
>follow every word of the bible
Must suck not shaving, not eating shellfish and not wearing mixed fabrics.

>>139405894
WRITTEN word of God

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>>139405758
>diCaprio
PLEBBIT

PLEBBIT DETCTED
>LELELELELELELLEELLELELE
No seriously why don't you worship Caesar?

>>139398190
Catholics are Catholics.
Christians are Christians.
Jews are Jews.

It's like your mentally challenged or something....

>>139403671

>But Matthew 6:7 tells you not to do this.

I've heard a well known Catholic apologist give this advice, and it stands up every time:
Whenever a Protestant quotes a passage of scripture in order to disprove something about Catholicism, make him quote the 15 passages before and 15 passages after. Because the passage takes on a diferent meaning when it is in context.

The vain repetitions thing was part of a criticism levied at Rabbis and pagans who make a public show of their prayer. It was against prayer that glorified the person, not God. Repetitive prayer is not bad in itself. Otherwise, Jesus would have not commanded us to use a repetitive prayer a mere two sentences later.

>why risk it? Wouldn't it be safer to not pray the rosary "just in case"?

Yeah, sure. Let's hold back on our devotions "just in case". Maybe our tradition is wrong. Heck, maybe all Christian theology is wrong. Maybe we shouldn't be doing overly Christian things "just in case". There are many different religions around, maybe we should be as vague as possible in our faith "just in case" one of the others is right. The Bible only mentions gatherings of Christians, not explicitly mentioning any sort of Churches or anything. Maybe we should all stop going to church "just in case" we all turn out to be wrong. Let's hedge our bets.

Sorry, but "just in case" is a pointless and meaningless phrase when it comes to faith.

>>139405971
>he doesn't realize those got changed

>>139399986
Don't be absurd. The Church has been the same as it is today.

The collection of all born again believers from Pentecost 32 AD to the Rapture.

>>139405971
I'm not a Jew, so levitical law doesn't apply to me. The bible itself makes this distinction.

>>139405971
Lol, there are actually some prod cucks who still follow ceremonial law ignorant of the fact that Christ's coming nullified it

>>139390529
Christian MOTHERFUCKER

>>139400867
No, he didn't.

Peter under inspiration of the Holy Spirit uttered "You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God."

That is the foundation of the church. That is the petra.

Not Petros. Not the one Jesus called satan that same day. Not the one who denied Jesus three times. Not the one Paul had to dress down in front of everyone for pretending to be kosher then the Judaizers appeared. Not the one who never claimed to be anything but an elder, which is below a bishop. Not the one who was sent on errands by the other apostles.

Jesus is the Head of the church.

>>139402284
The wages of sin is death.

Not rubbing pagan holy beads and uttering monotone prayers over and over and over again.

Death.

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>>139406445
S AL T Y

>>139404310
It's just a declaration of fact. You people eat and drink condemnation unto yourselves as you partake of the communion in the most unworthy manner possible.

>>139404753
Romans 10:9-13

>tfw you finally realize what Jesus meant when he said "the kingdom of heaven is within you" that heaven is a state of mind and consciousness which we access by living how Jesus taught us to live where our riches are and can never be diminished
>tfw you understand that to be Christian is to be christ-like and to actively model your behavior, thoughts and actions like that of Jesus himself

>>139405290
Papists set it up as a strawman.

Martin Luther was a catholic friar.

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>>139406352
>>139392262
for the 999999999th time.

Jews dont speak Greek. but EITHER WAY

>>139406599
>he thinks I'm Catholic
Top kek

>>139405659
They didn't even know that people could be saved if they weren't Jews until Acts 10.

Acts 2 is not doctrine. It's foundering and stumbling and bumbling church history.

>>139406655
>that heaven is a state of mind
You're a retard

>>139405788
check'd

Jesus reads the hearts of men, and makes good decisions.

>>139406638
Noiiiiice wit it! (Translation: Amen.)

>>139406056

Yes, written word of God.

Living, breathing, Word of God.

>>139406725
Martin Luther was a catholic who died an excommunicated heretic

The reason why Catholics shit on Luther is because many (not all) Protestants will use Luther and his teachings as a fall back to justify their arguments

look I just gotta say something protestants don't teach their kids enough about Christianity they send them to non-denominational schools and more often than not don't go to church. It's a Christmas christian religion that has lost all backbone since becoming the un-oppressed majority. It is now just a religion of disliking catholics.

>>139406133
How about you papists pull 2 or 3 witnesses to apostolic succession?

Or to Peter being the foundation of the church?

How about you establish things in the bible with 2 or 3 witnesses, like the bible says to do?

>>139406133
>Repetitive prayer is not bad in itself.

>It's not pagan when we do it!

The battle cry of the papist.

>>139390529
Mike how many times do we have to go over this. You can't draw. You aren't the supreme drawfag. Nobody will donate to your patreon. Nobody wants you here. Fuck off.

>>139406200
True.

But you're still dead, as you were born dead, and have not had the Holy Spirit bring you back to life.

So you do have that problem, because the dead are sorted out with the dead, in a lake of fire.

Regardless of being a Jew or not.

>>139407081
Nigga doesn't understand how we pray

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>>139406937
He died asking to rejoin the Roman catholic church, he called in a priest asking him to forgive him for causing the Reformation

FOR FUCKING REAL

>>139407081
He said use ye not VAIN repetitions
he did not say repetitions
OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN...

>>139406725
All novice catholic arguments boil down to some simple tactics:

>gross generalization (female gay pastors xd)
>strawmen (martin luther, calvin, zwingli, westboro, liberal christian denoms)
>hyperbole (le 30k denominations, even if there were 30k denoms, what would be the issue?)
>redefinition of simple terms to fit their agenda (ACKSHUALLY, FAITH MEANS LOYALTY)

>>139406760
The NT was written in Greek.

That you do not believe in the bible's inerrancy and authority is due to your being deceived by the whore of Babylon.

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>>139406851
Your words mean nothing. They are hollow and lack substance.

>>139406769
You talk as they do, and as only they do.

>>139406937
Nah, it's an attempt by Rome to remain relevant in the Christian world.

A false attempt. But most people don't do the legwork to see through the lies.

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>>139407276
>>139392262
Except that Petra and Petros are the SAME word in Koine greek, not attic
>thinking Jesus spoke in Greek, much less a dead langauge in his day
PLEB

>>139407178
Papist prayers are heard by papist within earshot.

And by nobody in heaven.

>>139407194
>It's not pagan when we do it!

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>>139407194
>he called in a priest asking him to forgive him for causing the Reformation
Sure he did

>>139407229
>FAITH MEANS LOYALTY
Gotta admit, this one was novel. Go right after the words that matter, and change their meaning unilaterally.

>>139406133
You missed the point.
I don't make cuts on things the bible doesn't mention at all. Anything "extra" to the bible is not the problem, the problem is when it directly contradicts the bible.
When it comes to other religions for example, I will go to hell for believing in them as it contradicts the bible. I will also go to hell for being an agnostic. What makes your example different is that you said I won't go to hell for not praying the rosary and that it is not necessary for salvation. And since there is a verse in the bible that says not to use vain repetitions, the rosary is "grey area" I'd prefer not to step into.

>make him quote the 15 passages before and 15 passages after
I read Matthew 6 and don't see your point.

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>>139407545
HALLOWED BY THY NAME

>>139407552
>he's too scared to look it up les it be true

>>139407485
You keep saying that.

It keeps being wrong.

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>>139407229
This

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>>139407669
PROVE IT EMPIRICALLY

>>139407485
Jesus did speak greek. He spoke loke 3 languages

>>139407485
Strong's Greek: 4073. πέτρα (petra) -- a (large mass of) rock

Strong's Greek: 4074. Πέτρος (Petros) -- "a stone"

See the difference, papist?

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>>139407508
Look fag, it was a priest who told me that prayer can't just be respective incantations, that shits pagan, we all know it.
HOWEVER
When you actually give thought to the words you are saying, if you're sincere in those words, then that is prayer

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>>139407659
because it's clearly not true

>>139407628
I think you're missing the point friend.

Human beings go to hell because Adam sinned, and all of his children were born in a fallen state. Spiritually dead.

You were born in a fallen state. Spiritually dead. So no matter what you say, think, or do, if you do not become alive, you will stay spiritually dead, and be cast into eternal separation from God.

Being separated from God into eternal punishment is what all men deserve.

So do you want what you deserve, or do you want to take the pardon that Jesus bought for you with his lifeblood?

>>139407659
He's not your father.

The pope is your father.

>>139407789
>>139407819

Different things are not the same.

>>139407809
Jesus spoke over 9000 languages; He is God. He can talk to quarks if He wants to.

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>>139407853
>give thought to the words
>repeat the same prayer 50 times in a row
pick one

>>139407853
Not when they are prayed to anyone but God, and only then in either a sinner's repentance, or by one of God's adopted children, a born again Christian.

The children of the devil do not have access to the throne.

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>>139407809
Prove it empircially
>>139407819
>>139392262
>googling petros
You're gonna need a better citation than google and an explanation as to why anon above is wrong with a citation and prove to me that it is koine Greek not attic, not using google

>>139408096
Prove it empirically

>>139408041
>eternal separation from God
Stop this meme

>>139408204
It's Strong's Concordance on the difference between the two words.

Petros is a man's name, a masculine word that infers rock-like qualities.

petra is a rock or cliff, a feminine word.

IN KOINE GREEK (which is just common Greek)

>>139408347
Never. Jesus said it, it's settled.

Eternal punishment. Outer darkness. Fire never dies. Worm never dies.

>>139408121
I mean ones he spoke when he was on earth 2000 years ago you nigger

>>139408204
Greek is an inflected (not "reflexive") language, which means that the forms of nouns change based on the function a word is performing in a sentence. When this happens, the base meaning of the word remains the same. The inflection communicates information about how the word is being used grammatically but not what it means.

In the case of petros vs. petra, the change is not an inflection. Petros and petra are two different words in Greek. They are similar because they are cognates (just as "president" and "presider" are cognates in English but are nonetheless two different words with different, though related, meanings). Because they are two different words, the inflection (change of form) of petros and petra is not what is at issue here. The basic meanings of the terms is.

Empirically proven.

>>139408452
Jesus never stopped being God.

>>139390529
>another cuck thread
Not tired of spreading your other cheeks yet huh.

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>>139408374
>But I used Strongs
This is what you did
1. use (((google)))
2. Type in petros meaning, petra meaning
3. Click on bible hub the first link that comes up

No you can't use google because that is what you are dong. You are not explaning why anon is wrong you are just asserting that I am wrong again using google, if you really want to impress me then cite the Greek lexicon that Strongs came after that was written by Hitler's literal right hand man. That's a fucking citation.

No it does not count you did not refute it. You said "no this is wrong" you did not explain WHY petros and petra mean the same thing. OF course Protestants will just deny the obviosu. Cite a Nazi or a classical schoalr insead

And No that is not correct Koine Greek. Strongs is also incorrect about the words Chamas and ADam in hebrew too

>>139408703
Did you forget to change your flag?

>>139408739
I cited strong's.....what does Bible Hub have to do with Strong's concordance?

Are you saying Bible Hub somehow changed Strong's Concordance?

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>>139408561
That's not empirical evidence, you can say what ever you want but it doesn't mean it's true. That's not empirical evidence. You stupid pleb

Again you need prove anon in screencap wrong, preferable with an athoritative source besides yourself addressing the issue discussed and then proving it with classical citatiosn showing that it is used the way protestants want it to mean.

>>139401320
the bible is circular

>>139408956
>strongs
HAHAHA. Real lexicons cite CLASSICAL greek sources in the ORIGINAL Greek.

>>139408817
>cuck cuck cuck cuck my ass raw?
Sorry I don't speak cuckstain.

>>139408956
You could not have gotten it from several other sources I can think of because it would be too diffiucult for you to get to the part where you can copy and past the greek letters. Bible hub is always the first one that comes on (((google))) may God destroy it. Amen. And it's the easiest to acess

>>139407170
>>139408041
What sin are you accusing me of?

>>139408739
It is obvious that if the reference were intended to [be] Peter there were only two alternatives available – which would have put the matter beyond reasonable doubt. The first alternative would be: Σὺ εἷ Πέτροςkαὶ ἐπὶ σὲ οἰkοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐkkλησίαν. There would still be a word-play here, in as much as Πέτρος would have been understood to refer to the well-known disciple, while at the same time the thought of building would have reflected on the meaning of Peter’s name, i.e., the idea of a bedrock on which to erect the ἐkkλησία. The other alternative, which is still better, would be: Σὺ εἷ ὁ Πέτρος ἐφ= ᾧ οἰkοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐkkλησίαν. Ηere, the word Πέτρος would have been understood doubly as the personal name of Jesus’ interlocutor and as the rock-foundation of the Church. In this case, there would have been no doubt that the rock was Peter. That Matthew chose to use Πέτρος and πέτρα, two different words, whose very collocation marks a conscious juxtaposition, indicates clearly his intention to contradistinguish the two terms… . It is this confession of Jesus as God’s anointed Messiah, a confession that sets Peter and the other disciples apart from unbelieving Jews, a confession which in Matthew’s context exercises a constraining influence on Jesus to come to terms with his hard calling, to direct his steps to the place of duty, seeing behind Peter’s words his Father’s affirmation of his mission and office, that lies at the basis of Jesus’ words to Peter. Peter’s words are not merely an honorific title; they are a challenge, the challenge of Messianic calling, of Messianic suffering, of Messianic community, of God’s kingdom, of reward and glory… . The πέτρα is the content of Peter’s insight, i.e., that Jesus is the Messiah.

>>139409413
Chrys C. Caragounis, Peter and the Rock (Berlin: Walter de Gruyter, 1990), 89-107.

>>139409396
Being born spiritually dead, reaching your age of accountability, and neglecting the only known means of salvation known to mankind.

I am suggesting you are sinning (missing the mark) of being like God through your Unbelief.

So, Unbelief would be your sin, which is readily and irrevocably eradicated by Belief.

>>139409053
>>139409413

>>139409299
So Bible Hub has no relation to Strong's Concordance whatsoever.

You just brought it up to confuse the issue.

Got it.

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>know that protestants are probably right about everything
>want to unite all people under one church and save the west
>only real option is the roman catholic

>>139409618
Try the anti christ nimrod kingdom, coming soon.

>>139409524
I do believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and repented of my sins.
Maybe you're confusing me with another person in the thread?

>>139409733
It never left.

It was always an alternative to believing in God, and doing things God's way.

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>>139409413
>>139409427
This is what I was asking for I HOPE to God you actually got that from a library and not (((gogle))) may God destroy it in Eternal Fire. Amen.
BUT again this man does not refute what Screencap anon asserts, which is that they are not different words in meaning, only in gender. Neither does he explain WHY they are supposed to be different in meaning, he only says that they are different in meaning.

That is not good enough. what I am looking for is for example a list of thre uses of Petra and Petros from jewish sources in like the 200 Bc - 200 AD range. All wall of text with a citation is not impressive it's what it contains that is impressive and who wrote it

>>139409584
LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE

>>139409618
>Protestants
>Right
If non-Christians can see how full of shot the theology is, it's not right.

>>139409754
My apologies. I improperly read your post about not having to follow the Law.

>>139409819
>LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE

So Bible Hub does have something to do with how Strong's Concordance is organized?

Please make up your mind.

>>139409819
>BUT again this man does not refute what Screencap anon asserts, which is that they are not different words in meaning, only in gender. Neither does he explain WHY they are supposed to be different in meaning, he only says that they are different in meaning.

Read it like five more times, because it does.

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>>139397587
This looks like something from Warhammer 40K, replace Jesus with the God-Emperor and Baptist with The Imperial Cult.

>>139409864
>non-Christians saying whay Christian denomination is correct
kill yourself

>>139409819
Moreover, Simon also bears another name, Κηφᾶς. This name is a Greek transcription of the Aramaic wordֵֹכיפָא .56 The word ֵֹכיפָא means “rock”.57 The Hebrew noun kēph is found in Jer 4:29, Job 30:6, and Sir 40:1458; the common noun kephā appears twice in the Targum of Job from Qumran Cave 11 and several times in the texts of Aramaic Enoch from Qumran Cave 4.59 In the Qumran passages, the word has the sense of “rock” or “crag,” a part of a mountainous or hilly area.60 For years it was thought that Κηφᾶς was not used as a proper name. However, Fitzmeyer has shown that kp does occur as a proper name in a Aramaic text from Elephantine that dates to the eighth year of the reign of Darius II, hence to 416 B.C.61 Thus Peter was not the first person to have had the name, and the existence of Κηφᾶς as a proper name at least makes more plausible the suggestion that a wordplay in Aramaic was involved.62 Κηφᾶς is used to reference Simon most often in the writings of Paul.63 It seems highly unlikely that Paul would simply choose to give Peter an Aramaic name, so it can be safely assumed that Paul knew that Peter was also called Κηφᾶς when he wrote his epistles.64 This would indicate a very early use of Κηφᾶς as a proper name, certainly prior to the composition of Matthew.65 This too would lend credence to the arguments that Jesus probably spoke to his disciples in both Aramaic and Greek.66

https://bible.org/seriespage/1-exegetical-examination-matthew-1618#P120_34396

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>>139409975
bible hub uses Strongs

>>139410015
No he doesn't you can say that he does all you want but its what I've seen time and time again
>yes it is yes it is different words

>>139409864
i'm roman catholic, but i think they're right in the sense that you don't need to be part of the roman catholic church to be saved. the bible seems to imply that being baptized, following the scripture, and praying is all you need to reach eternal salvation

>>139407628
But the extra stuff IS what contradicts the bible. Everything we need to follow is laid out within the scriptures. We don't need to add rosary beads to "enhance" our chance for salvation because once you are saved by Christ there is NOTHING that is higher than that.
By Grace through faith. Not by saying hail Mary, not by worshipping a pope, not by having a mediator between you and God. The only priest we need is the greatest high priest to have ever lived, Christ.

>>139410151
So because Bible Hub uses Strong's, Strong's has been compromised by Bible Hub.

Is that what you are saying?

You could not possibly have read it once, because both of your concerns were directly addressed.

>>139409754
You don't have to repent of your sins to be saved. You still should though but you don't have to.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YNX-bYcOco4

>>139410218
True, but it's Roman law that you must be in the Roman church to be saved.

If you want to see something funny, ask a Roman catholic how he was saved. If he is saved. How he knows he is saved. When he will be saved.

>>139410374
True, but please stay away from that man. He's a wolf.

>>139410218
You don't need to be baptized or pray to be saved

>>139399958
>For we must be born of the water and the spirit John 3:5

IOW, being "born again" = baptism

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>>139410149
That's very nice but he does not assert here that Peter's name is in any way different in meaning from the word rock taht Jesus uses the in the next phrase

>>139410475
how?

>>139409618
don't concern yourself with earthly kingdoms and "saving the west"

>>139405812
I can't say that all baptists are going to hell, and I believe that any baptism done in the trinitarian formula is a valid baptism, but I also have to stand with the fact that Christ founded a single church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, ( Matthew 16).

Historically the church has held pretty consistent views about baptism, and the authority of the church, and I think it would do you good to read some of the church fathers

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>>139410149
>bible.org
USING (((GOOGLE))) May God destroy that thing in eternal fire

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>>139410374
>Anderson

>>139410478
Stop being heretical. It specifically says that to be saved you need to confess your sin to God and repent, accept our Lord and savior Jesus Christ and the sacrifice he had given for us, and be baptized within the lifewaters of the Lord. This is exactly what is made mention of during the Lord's supper.

>>139405852
But we do have the son, he founded our church

>>139410594
It absolutely does.

>>139399986
>You can argue that it was Catholicism or Orthodox, but no one will really know.

It's not that complicated.

One has a pope - a successor of Peter - the other doesn't.

Jesus established Peter as the rock on which He would build His Church.

To summarize. If you want to be a member of the church that *Jesus* founded, join the one which features the successor of Peter.

tl;dr: The Church Jesus established is the Catholic Church.

>>139410563
>born of water
is in actually being born you faggot. If it meant you had to be baptized that would contradict what Jesus says later in the chapter
John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
>15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
>16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
>18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
>36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

>>139410681
by being a virulent anti-semite.

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>>139410833
Prove it Empirically

>>139410780
Your faith is in your church, and in your membership in your church.

Your church has nothing to do with Jesus.

>>139410864
Two legs on the same damned statue.

>>139410767
No it doesn't. You should do those things bit they aren't required. see >>139410880

>>139410713
>south park
>fascist flag
Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

>>139410910
Are you the person asking for other uses of the word, which I provided, with a link?

Prove you're not an ungrateful bastard. Empirically.

>>139410889
I guess Jesus is a wolf than

Revelation 2:9King James Version (KJV)

9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

I guess the thief on the cross is burning in hell for not being baptised, oh wait that was a unique dispensation, Christ was only talking to him, I need to be baptised just like the people under the law had to obey it to be saved.

>>139406352
A tortured misreading.

Jesus said: "You are Peter (= "rock"), and upon this rock I will build my church."

The church Jesus founded is, according to Jesus's own words, built on the rock of Peter.

>>139411129
>and are not,

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>>139392838
Praise cheezus!

>>139411168
It is obvious that if the reference were intended to [be] Peter there were only two alternatives available – which would have put the matter beyond reasonable doubt. The first alternative would be: Σὺ εἷ Πέτροςkαὶ ἐπὶ σὲ οἰkοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐkkλησίαν. There would still be a word-play here, in as much as Πέτρος would have been understood to refer to the well-known disciple, while at the same time the thought of building would have reflected on the meaning of Peter’s name, i.e., the idea of a bedrock on which to erect the ἐkkλησία. The other alternative, which is still better, would be: Σὺ εἷ ὁ Πέτρος ἐφ= ᾧ οἰkοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐkkλησίαν. Ηere, the word Πέτρος would have been understood doubly as the personal name of Jesus’ interlocutor and as the rock-foundation of the Church. In this case, there would have been no doubt that the rock was Peter. That Matthew chose to use Πέτρος and πέτρα, two different words, whose very collocation marks a conscious juxtaposition, indicates clearly his intention to contradistinguish the two terms…

>>139411286
Polish people sitting in Israel are not jews.

>>139411359
>indicates clearly his intention to contradistinguish the two terms…


Petros is excluded from being the petra

>>139405905
But it said entire house holds were baptized and it's safe to assume infants are in house holds.
Infant baptism can be officially traced back to the early second century in writing, and no one questioned it to the 1500s

Every church prior to the anabaptist, Catholics, orthodox, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Calvinists, Egyptian cop tics all baptized infants
So either people were all wrong until the late 16th century, or the baptist model is wrong

>>139411286
Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

1 John 2:22-23
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

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>>139411042
Anderson is a racemixer

>>139411079
Well I cannto give you my geneological records and my birth certificate on 4cahn but I promise that My mother and Father had me in wedlock and they were man and wife lawfully

>Link
bible.org
PLEB PLEEEEEB

>>139410682
i wish i wouldn't, but it's hard not to when you know that the further the west falls, the more and more people will turn away from christ. perhaps these are truly the last days