I don't understand how an entire generation can be so lazy.

>>139386954
says the neet in his moms basement

>>139386954
Fuck yeah alaska

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>>139386954
if Alaska isn't too cold I should move there

>>139386954
It may have something to do with our costly education system and demand for new hires to have experience prior to being hired into +$20k/yr jobs

>>139386954
More so they told all the kids who should have gone into trade to go to college.

College became inflated with worthless degrees to keep up with the people who should have gone into a trade, because everyone is smart and a winner.

>>139387419
It's below freezing 2/3 of the year

>>139386954
I finished the equivalent of high school.

I live in a rural backwater with nojobs.

I earn far better than the millenial median in the USA.

With full social security, pension fund, health care etc.

I get paid 14 wages each year.

And i still hate my job.

>>139386954
>florida 20k
make 3 times that

Thank god I'm not stupid or lazy.

floridian here,this is making me want to go suck dick in DC so i can send money back home to my family

>>139386954
>lazy
I dislike millenials as much as any other person but boomers who say this shit can also fuck off. In their time you could work at fucking retail and earn enough money to buy a car and a house at like 20. No need for college or anything either.

>>139386954
lol ill be making 100k after my masters. Millennials are fucking losers.

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>>139387992
This, best part is it massively inflated the trades market. Right now in Florida companies will pay to train you for any major trade and within a year you'll be making 60k to six figures. Compare that to the median income for millennials and it's just fucking nuts.

>>139386954
Protip: Even the states where they're making 'a lot of money' have an absurd cost of living.

See: New York, VT, and WA

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>>139388704
>In their time you could work at fucking retail and earn enough money to buy a car and a house at like 20. No need for college or anything either.

And we are the ones who take shit for granted.

>>139386954
>A map of the concentration of h1b visas

>>139389037
Don't post that image, it gets threads deleted

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>>139388109

So go up there and work during the summers. I did it for 3 summers from 2013-2015 and made 45-50k for 4 months of work each summer and then took the rest of the year off in CO doing nothing but shitposting, smoking legal weed, and playing vidya. The work was hard as fuck, 12 hour days of intense labor, 6 days a week. The money is more than worth it though. As soon as the work started to become a soul-destroying grind, the work season ended and I had 8 months of NEETing to unwind. Just when the NEETing was starting to get boring, it was time to head back up to Kodiak for the summer. Now I'm a full-time wagecuck and I don't even come close to pulling in the same amount of $ over the course of an entire year.

Robots and computers have taken over old jobs. Minimum wage has stagnated.


It has nothing to do with laziness.

>>139386954
because they're not counting benefits derived from their parents (e.g. health care, housing, food), and they're not counting benefits derived from the government (e.g. subsidized loans, NEETbux, food stamps)

BECAUSE FUCKS THINK THEY'RE ENTITLED TO THESE THINGS THEY DON'T COUNT

>>139386954
>Millennials always talk about how past generations ruin things all the while fucking shit up as much as they can for the next generation

>>139386954
Income was higher for young people in the 70s-80s when you factor in inflation

>>139389553
Why?

>>139389037
>Right now in Florida companies will pay to train you for any major trade and within a year you'll be making 60k to six figures.
There's no way that's true.

I'm a college dropout in WA state. it's not so much that I'm lazy, I just don't give a shit about much, school included.

I started working a shitty retail job after I dropped out, few years later I'm a manager of the store I started at. I run a business on the side. Make decent money, and overall I'm content.

cracks me up, I would say 70% of people that I interview for retail positions are either student doing some shitty degree, or graduates with shitty degrees. occasionally I'll even get a Phd or masters student interview for a retail position. fucking losers

college is perpetuated in order to keep people thinking that the system works. everybody thinks they will get a good job after they finish their degree, and if they dont, the reason is surely because they dont have a masters. so they get a masters. not surprisingly, this rarely leaves them any better off.

>>139390377
well that is generally how trades work.

You earn while you learn. The 60k not too sure about, but I've met some trade workers who make that much either starting their own company or working for a reputable company.

Im about to accept either an 45k or 51k job in Oklahoma. Im finding out that my chosen degree, Civil Eng, may not be the career I want indefinitely.

What are some alternatives that give dosh, semi blur collared, and work with men? No drug tests are a plus

>>139390377
I can promise you, you don't even have to be good at whatever trade you pick if you can sell or install.

>>139390779
>The 60k not too sure about
That's on the low end for plumbers which are on the lower end of the trade income bracket around here. You don't even need to work for yourself. 2 years as an hvac tech and I'm in charge of my own service department (aka the department that actually fixes shit).

>>139389647
What work was it exactly? Kind of curious and a place where staying indoors is the norm sounds pretty comfy.

Im a sophomore in college now studying Comp. Sci. Should I just say fuck it and join the military? I dont want to be fucked on landing a job once I graduate

>>139386954
we compete for jobs with the entire world
barely anyone wants to compete for jobs outside of the US

>>139390781
>degree
>"semi blue collared"

Waste of a degree.

>>139386954

This thread depresses the shit out of me.

Perhaps I will find a living abroad

>>139387419
>>139388109
Only niggers dislike cold weather.

>>139391676
So you're saying it's easier to land a job in another country vs in the US?

>>139390377
Of course it isn't true. The only thing with more lies written about it on the internet than STEM degrees are "trades".

I had someone swear to me that a carpenter in Ontario made $200,000 a year, out of school.

>>139390781
Look at literally any trade job (plumbing, industrial painting, truck driving etc.). The misconception perpetuated by the media is that these jobs are low paying and hard work. While in reality they are highly specific jobs that everyone needs someone to do so the pay is actually better than most people expect.

>>139386954
The dollar has lost 93% of it's value. You are slaves goy whether you admit it or not

>>139389236
washington's cost of living isn't bad at all. lived near downtown seattle for a couple of years a couple years ago. expenses were about $1k a month including food. dunno where people get that idea from.

now, california on the other hand...

>>139386954

There just aren't any jobs that pay above the poverty line.

They are like unicorns at this point.

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>>139386954
No wonder all those Cali fags are blowing each other for pocket change.

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>>139391519

Unskilled labor for a ground construction contractor, installing things like storm drains, water mains, fire hydrants, etc, as well as laying/packing foundations for roads(not paving though, that was separate contractor). The ground is only soft enough to work in from late May-early October so we had to squeeze a year's worth of work into 4 months, hence the insane work schedule. The pay was 48$ an hour though, and we typically earned about 20 hours of overtime each week, so you can imagine how quickly the cash piles up. We got paid every Friday and my average weekly check was about $2,500 after taxes.

>>139386954
Its called trickle down economics:
Treat your employees like shit, don't pay them, if they don't like it, start your own business.
Be thankful you have a job

>>139392063
Having worked around the world, the USA has a pretty unique corporate culture. It's based on your ability to be seen to be doing something. If you have your best effort face on and lie to other people about how hard your job is, you're well on your way to success. Things like working efficiently or independently are frowned upon. If you aren't that sort of person then it's much easier to go elsewhere.

Certain people in other countries drink the KoolAid but only in the USA do all levels of management seem to take it seriously. If two people get the same amount of work done the American corporate structure will favour the one who took a 60 hour week to do it as opposed to a 38. I suppose it's similar in Japan, but they seem keen to actually do something. In the USA a "12 hour day" will be three hours on the phone lying to someone, four hours watching PowerPoints, two hours sucking up to someone and the rest will be work.

>>139392092
>Of course it isn't true. The only thing with more lies written about it on the internet than STEM degrees are "trades".
First shop I pulled up on craigslist has full bens 25/hr (60 hour work weeks considered normal) with commission and they aren't even big guys. One of the most common form of install pay is percent usually at 8-10% with average ticket on system being around 6k. That's 600 bucks split between lead and helper so 400 a day for lead installers.

>>139390779
Sure, experienced tradesmen can make that much, but the average guy can't reliably go from zero to that in a year, with no school.

The average American plumber makes $50k/year. That's *average*, across their whole careers, and plumbing is a relatively complex, highly-paid trade.

The average American tradesman makes $35k/year. Again, average across their whole careers.

The average entry-level tradesman job in the US is $23.5k/year. So I'm being told here that any random dude can go to Florida, take a job offer, and be making triple that in a year. There's no way I believe that.

>>139391310
>2 years as an hvac tech and I'm in charge of my own service department
There we have it: you're not looking at statistics, you're looking at anecdotes, and probably exaggerating a little. There are always a few guys who are talented or lucky or connected, or just work 80 hours a week doing hazardous work in a remote location, and get way better results than most can expect.

>>139391659
Cs was a legit degree....20 years ago

Now my beta dad clings to his stagnant for 10 yrs 96k as he trains poos that make 1/10th that doing his job, while bitching that the younger generations are lazy and "don't hit the bricks hard enough" to get hired like he did.

>>139390781
find an overlap of civil engineering with something you like. Then build on that self-interest

>>139392627
Post paycheck?

I worked inspector for paving and utility crews, and had to serve forms to crews that signed off on if they are being paid appropriately (probably to stop illegals dragging wages down). Each county (in OK) had a personalized list of minimum wages for laborers. It was around $14-15/hr, 33% of your claim.

>>139386954
Serious question that no one ever answers: Why aren't these millennial men manning up and taking care of millennial women's sons?

Are you afraid to be a man and man up?

>>139392694
That's not a fucking thing and you nothing about how economics work or you wouldn't even say that pseudo-intellectual kike bullshit.

>>139386954
>I don't understand how an entire generation can be so lazy.
They were spoiled by their parents (boomers). They were told to follow their dreams. They were coddled by guidance counselors. They were given unlimited comcast cable....and so their dreams became memes. Now they all work for shit wages because they cannot grasp that EVERYONE they know lied to them.

>>139393407
my friends dad just got laid off because of a poo
he was making $140k/year
you cant compete with people who will take $20k/year for the same job

>>139389657
It does though. There are plenty of jobs out there that pay 50-70k+ if you're willing to humble yourself and sweat a bit.

>>139391659
My fellow intern when I was doing an internship in the US just got onboarded full time for 60k. There is still a massive IT market in the US, you just gotta stay one step ahead of the poos

>>139386954
I don't either. I didn't even graduate college and I make 50k.

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>>139386954
> Nevadan millenials make more than Californian ones
> Minimum wage here is over $2 lower than in California
> Housing princes in California several modicums higher than Nevada

How the fuck does this happen? A 20 year old schmuck living in a desert full of casinos makes more thank a 20 year old cuck living in one of the most expensive places to live on Earth? More proof that living wages are a state problem, not a federal one.

>>139390377
Join the electrician or elevator unions and you start around 40k and make 80k easy after a few years.

>>139393338
It's the 21st century gold rush. Bars across the Eastern Seaboard are full of out of work types telling each other about mythical $120k a year contracts for fitting pipes.

>>139393558
Have you considered the fact that they're lying?

It's the same with oil. I ran security for Rio Tinto in Mozambique. You couldn't move for 40 year old mining engineers with beer guts tripling their wages, to anyone that would listen. I have no idea why. Maybe they feel as if they deserve more than they get.

I've seen the same in private security. Kroll had a guy on their books they were paying about £85,000 a year for some very specialist work. On his first night in country he went for a few beers with the other contractors in the area from lesser companies. He stormed back to the hotel, picked up the phone piss drunk and called me from the other side of the world to demand why a bunch of glorified bouncers were pulling twice what he was for less work.

They weren't, they were just lying. Like they all do. No one hammering nails or digging ditches gets the basic rate of an Exxon Mobil CEO.

>>139393407
Fuck. I think one of the main problems with my degree is that major companies tend to hire out of country and provide visas. I think once this stops there will be a high demand. Im a white male from Texas not sure what the hell to do to land me a job once I graduate

>>139392825
None of this is even remotely true about the US whatsoever. No one cares if you work 30 hours a week so long as you get all your work done.

>>139394449
Finish the degree, go into Signals or Intelligence in the US military and gain about a decade of experience. Take your clearances (if they are transferable, some are not and are only for the role - not you as an individual) and go into the private sector.

>>139393990
>> Minimum wage here is over $2 lower than in California
explains it
more incentive for employers to employ, and no state financing makes people get off their lazy bums

>>139394495

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about kid.

Go put more nuggies in the oven and play your console games, adults are talking

>>139394495
>>139394774
The US is a big place. If you think you learned enough through personal experience to generalize about what workplaces are like in the country as a whole, you might be a moron.

>>139394774
I've been working in this country longer than you've likely been alive. It absolutely is true for those of us with real jobs. If you spend your days flipping burgers then yes you probably have to punch a time clock but those of us with salaries are expected to finish our tasks, not sit there for 60 hours doing nothing.

>>139387419
People tend to make more due to it being harder for goods and services to get into the more northern regions, making more expensive to live in Alaska.

>>139386954
Boomers ruined everything.

My entire generation is pathetic and socialist. Their parents were not tough enough with them, so they think working Americans owe them money or they will throw a childish temper tantrum. They don't even know what fucking bathroom to use. I can't believe these degenerate fucks are what all of evolution has led to.

>>139386954
>how can a generation comprised of 30% college kids with no income have so little income?!?!?!?!11??

>>139393338
>There are always a few guys who are talented or lucky or connected, or just work 80 hours a week doing hazardous work in a remote location, and get way better results than most can expect.
And if you aren't willing or capable to do something that most aren't, you'll be poor your whole life. It's always been that way and it always will be.

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People still complain about boomers earning more?

It's true but boomers also had to live almost their entire lives without the internet, video games. Not to mention the cost of travel was insanely expensive compared to today.

Yes they got paid more, but our dollar can still buy us more cool shit today than theirs could.

>>139390377
>There's no way that's true.
id agree, unless it takes 6 years to train you and you get $10 an hour starting

>>139395523
/thread

>>139394758
Thanks for the advice. Im definitely going to look into this. What branch of the military is siginals and intellignece under? Army? Marines?

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>>139386954
lol Cali faggots are poor and abused lol

>the country betrayed an entire generation

>blames it on the generation

>>139395650
>but our dollar can still buy us more cool shit today than theirs could.
This is literally, objectively, verifiably untrue. The dollars is worth substantially less than it was in the 70s and 80s, this is not up for debate.

>>139389657
I was a supervisor at a manufacturing plant from 2003-2016 and ya millennials are fucking worthless. Most of them have zero work ethic.

>>139396079
The dollar is "worth" less technically, yes, but it doesn't change the fact that there's way cooler shit to buy for cheaper than it was in the past.

The fuck you think your grandpa paid for his first color television? It was an arm and a leg. Not even to mention the cost of a computer or a cell phone.

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>>139386954
>works two jobs
>60 hours a week
>nobody wants full time because of obama

>>139395846
Every branch of the US military has those services. Obviously, Army and USMC Intel and Signals has a very tactical bent to it. They do not need to understand Russian nuclear strategy. USN is far more strategic. The USAF probably occupies the middle ground.

There's lots written out there about int and sigs work but you don't need to be a genius. You need a good work ethic (finishing the degree is step one) and an honest streak. You'll be telling people things they don't like to hear, and you'll need to be trustworthy. It can be isolated, often you're the only guy doing your job in the whole place.

Signals is a broad church but intelligence, or intel as you lot call it, can generally be split between linguists and non linguists. Best of luck.

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>>139395971
Boomers got theirs, they don't give a shit about what comes after.

>>139388352
>pension fund

hmmmmmmmmmm... he thinks government pension will exist in 50 years.

>>139386954
>55k
>fiancé makes 34ish
>both age 25
14/88

>>139396536
Thanks I appreciate it

>>139386954
Yeah, I was hoping Silicon Valley and its 6/upper 5 figure jobs would raise Cali's millennial income, but apparently less than half of Cali's millennials get Silicon Valley jobs.

>>139386954
I don't even make moneys

>>139395643
>if you aren't willing or capable to do something that most aren't, you'll be poor your whole life. It's always been that way and it always will be.
Oh, bullshit. Poverty isn't supposed to be the norm that only special people can escape.

Real wages have been cut in half compared to the job market the boomers started in, while industry efficiency has improved dramatically. Everything got shifted to favor the investor over the worker.

Remember the bail-outs? "Too big to fail"? Offshoring? H1Bs? Illegals? The shift from on-the-job training to going into debt to get minimum qualifications for a decent wage? The rise of two-income households?

This didn't just happen. It was done to us, by corrupt elites.

>>139386954
>The Britbong millennial on D.C. average even with shitty £

Noice

>>139394362
I work in the trades. I've heard the 100k exist working for some utility company workers like natural gas. This consist of being on call, double time on emergencies and some other crazy multipliers.
The nice thing about working for a utility is how overstaffed they are and how little they actually work relative to private contractor employees.

Another thing to think about it now that men are quickly turning back to the trades wages are going to go back down.

>>139386954
Probably because you cant get hired without affirmative action, parents connection, or already having 20 yrs experience at 19 yrs old.

>>139386954
I know plenty of people in their 20s with college degrees who are making 50k+. Not going to college is the biggest mistake.

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>>139386954
>mfw I make $25/k a year and I'm above average for my state
Feels bretty gud senpai

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>1970-1990
Go get a job fresh out of high school. Write down your name, your hobbies and your phone number on your resume. Turn it in to any place of employment on the street and get hired the same day for $13 an hour in today's money doing a job a monkey could do. Quit whenever you want, you can literally cross the street and get a different job that pays even better.

>2008 and onward
After high school, spend 100k+ on a college for a degree that will barely get your foot in the door. Send in 100 resumes a month to every place of employment in a 50 mile radius to get maybe two letters back that tell you to fuck off. Finally get a job as a barista at a Starbucks or a bagger at a grocery store, lucky enough to win against 100 other people (half of them immigrants). Work shitty hours making minimum wage with no possibility of an advancement or raise. Get fired because you're not a "team player" and start all over.

>>139386954

Lol. Suddenly my sweet 36k a year doesn't looks so shitty.

>>139398259
Blame the jews. They really fucked everybody on this one

>>139393990
No one wants to live in nevada, so the only jobs that can attract people to that state must pay well.

>>139393338
>The average entry-level tradesman job in the US is $23.5k/year. So I'm being told here that any random dude can go to Florida, take a job offer, and be making triple that in a year. There's no way I believe that.
I wouldn't have believed it either until I got into it. You also have to understand hvac is in insane demand. I can tell you 2 different shops that will take any warm body and train them to be a decent sales tech. I've seen it happen quite a few times.

>>139394362
Most guys flaunt their payroll sheets and check stubs, hard to lie there. I will say there are a fuck load of hours worked though.

> No one hammering nails or digging ditches gets the basic rate of an Exxon Mobil CEO.
There's a lot more to trades than just digging ditches or hammering nails, that's just unskilled labor.

>>139386954
86k a year. Didn't finish college.
35yo

>>139397948
That's a massive load of shit... Depending what you do. I'm an animator, and I've gotten every job I've ever had with ZERO help from my degree. Taking out student loans was and still is my single biggest regret.
For a boring field like business or some shit, it's probably different.

>>139395118

I'm 30, dipshit

>>139395020
>Only I, a Canadian, am allowed to have an opinion about America

I've lived and worked all over the US...and Canada. It's the same everywhere: few jobs, entry level positions pay fast-food wages and want years of experience, earning raises are not an option, working hard gets you no where, you clock in and keep your head down, over-achieving makes you the nail that stands up.

>>139391690
Who cares, they're worthless these days anyway. Anyone can take 4 years of Queer Studies courses there are no wrong answers.

>>139399751
>Anyone can take 4 years of Queer Studies courses there are no wrong answers.

>T. never went to college

>>139386954
What the fuck. I'm in a tier 2 state and I make 72k, granted I'm an older millennial but still.

>>139399112
Maybe for you because you're a lazy, incompetent, waste of space. I got a 10 thousand dollar raise just three weeks ago.

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totally just because everyone is lazy.... totally not because the economy is shit.... totally not because they have exported all the jobs over seas... totally not because they just keep printing money out of nowhere..... nope..... just lazy millenials.... just like those lazy pot smokin gen x hoodlums and on and on and on and on and on and on and on

stay ignorant you fucking pleb ass parrot.... go repeat your robotic shit tier slide threads on plebbit

>>139400084
No you didnt. You just upped your BJ rate (those kneepads were a good investment of yours)

>>139400084

No you didn't, Wendy's Chefs don't get 10k raises.

>>139386954
I don't get it. I'm 25 graduated 2 years ago with a masters in CS working in google getting 125k + bonus. There are tons of people in google with similar backgrounds. Fresh grads who just got out of college this summer. How are people making $20k a year? Just how? Literally go to college and get a CS degree, even the worst CS job starts at 80k

>>139400084
>Maybe for you because you're a lazy, incompetent, waste of space
Most people are. I'm always amazed when people act like 40 hours of work a week is a lot or by how little office staff actually do.

I'll never forget pulling cable at 19 and getting a 6k raise after the first month just because they liked that I worked hard.

>>139400514
>>139400533
I absolutely did. I started working in shipping for a consumer electronics company approximately three years ago making 10 dollars an hour. After two promotions I'm now the account manager for North Latin American and Australia/NZ for the international sales department and now make 50k a year.

Stop being a lazy, useless, bum.

>>139400612
>Literally go to college and get a CS degree, even the worst CS job starts at 80k
My experience is that a lot of young people don't know how to network to get their foot in the door anywhere and they avoid networking while getting their degrees. This is why they get shut down and have to send 10 million resumes out.

>>139401029
Networking nowadays is all social media/similar services. I don't use social media.

>>139390377
Unionized tradesmen in chimpcongo take home ~100k minus taxes, free healthcare, pensions etc

>>139399109
How is business a boring field? I have ADHD and studying business puts me in hyperfocus.

>>139401029
For CS you don't need to network. Go to the on campus career fair and hand out resumes, participate in any shit open source crap project online, whip up a nice looking personal demo webpage if you are looking for a front end job. And start applying online. It's not that hard. I've known ppl in my school who took memetier degrees and switched to CS in the last year, graduated 2 years late but landed a job at Cisco making 110k starting next month doing fucking java GUI work.

>>139400913

Look at Mr. 10 dollars an hour, and older than I have been alive, over here making 50k a yeah.

Keep shitting on my generation, education, and work ethics. I make almost as much as you working shit jobs, and will make far more than you when I finish my master's

>>139386954
Boomer parents making their lives too fucking comfortable

>>139386954

Because Boomers are holding onto their jobs with their fucking gnarled wrinkly hands and won't give them up until they drop dead all so they can keep buying more and more stupid shit by the tonne.

Their favorite game is making you jump through hoops and bark like a dog, then writing you a passive-aggressive email about how you didn't get the job because you didn't dress good enough but that isn't the reason, and then they go bitch to their friends about how millennials are lazy and don't want to work.

>>139401029
What is your advice on networking nowadays. I understand going to job fairs and talking to companies. Are there other routes you can go to network as a CS major early on?

>>139394362
120k doesn't sound too far fetched. garbagemen who probably can't even speak english are making $100k:
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/24/news/economy/trash-workers-high-pay/

millennials ARE fucking lazy.

>>139401370
>Networking nowadays is all social media/similar services. I don't use social media.
Not so much, when I wanted to do network administration I got in by actually walking into offices that were hiring and talking to managers. I still get IT job offers from customers because I get to talk to people face to face.

>>139401596
I should have also added that subject related projects are a huge thing I don't see people doing too. Most of the people I know that didn't succeed from college were the people who JUST got their degree and did nothing else. I can back up your statements though as I know a guy that recently got a job over at amazon at 68k just doing some god damn php bullshit simply because he stood out a little bit.

>>139393558
>Minimum wages
>in OK

>>139402128
Hackathon, dev conf, github Opensource projects, Stack overflow answering questions, personal web projects.

>>139402128
Always try to get a friend in the industry, even if they're just a worker they can go to bat for you. Fucking talk to every stranger you see and if someone does something that's related to what you want to do get their fucking number and make them your friend. Networking is easy.

>>139402556
also this type of shit, this guy seems on point.

>>139386954
Thats weird, I live in MD and am in the right age demo for this but I make something like 45k anally from my main job I mean I have a buddy that makes less with a college degree but most of the people I know like that have dumb degrees and insist on staying in their field of study, like oh yeah, work as a librarian because you got a history degree, that will help you pay off those student loans.

>>139401744
>I make almost as much as you working shit jobs, and will make far more than you when I finish my master's
This lol the university I'm at hires grad students to do tutoring with starting hourly pay ranging from $12-16. For a tutoring job with flexible hours.

>>139402858
>anally
Kek

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>>139386954
Not me senpai. I run a crew for a wood chipping company and make $35 an hour.
>Mfw most people my age are too lazy to swing saw all day and run tree for the green machine.

>>139402858
>45k anally
>anally
anon, what would your parents think about their child becoming an analwhore?

>>139402858
>make 45k anally
how's that ass feel, bro? you're probably going to need 2 wear diapers by the time you're 30.

>>139386954
wew I'm a milennial and I make more than all of those fags and cucks

>still no gf though

>>139403110
Maybe he's an Analytical Therapist?

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>>13938873
>muh masters degree
Lmao whatever. No onions on my burger, got that?

>I'll be making xxxx if if if if if x y z occurs! Poorfag.

Proof is in the pudding. The millennials got fucked so hard. And you kkow what? They arent going to take care of your ungraded old asses when you cant take care of yourselves in old age.

>>139402051
Gen X'ers could make the same argument and they don't

>>139402858
How many thighs have slapped against your ass cheeks for 45k?

>>139402976
>>139403250
>>139403110
My bad, long week, can't type

>>139403534
>Gen X'ers could make the same argument and they don't

Instead they bitch about the younger employees at the Target they assistant manage.

>>139388465
but you are gay, so who's really winning?

>>139403740
LOL i bet you cant walk either

>>139400050
>T. never

As long as you're not a white male how can you say anything wrong in these courses?

>18,000
dude that's CLP$ 11.304.097
only the best of the best earn that shit
average wage here is around 250k - 900k
which is fucking 400 - 1430 dollars
millenials are whiny arrogants.

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>>139391310
Where the fuck? I live in miami, chemical engineer here, fuck that i wanted to work with oil. Where are the trades and which one?
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>>139403947
>As long as you're not a white male how can you say anything wrong in these courses?

As a percentage of all degrees awarded every year how prevalent do you think gender&culture studies degrees are?

What do you think the average income is?

>>139403947
By telling the truth and not being a brainwashed moron like most collegefags.

>>139403994
take into account that 1 dollar = 628 CLP

TX Conroe
Make 82k no degree.
Get at me.

>>139392627
How did you find the job.

>>139387356
I think it has to be that high.
Shit up there is EXPENSIVE.

>>139403453
>no onions on my burger
pleb tier

You're right that millennials got shafted though. I could tell you all some stories about my overworked, stressed out, permanently tired and fast-balding friends in the corporate world. At least they can afford mortgages and girlfriends though.

Hard times create strong men. You just have to be one of the strong men and tough it out. Get in a position where you can manipulate your soft, slow-witted and intellectually bankrupt Boomer bosses who had everything handed to them.

>>139398259
>einstok
good taste, even if it is the porter and not the weiss.

>>139390377
its not. trades take at minimum 5 years before you male 60k. I'm a second year apprentice and make 14.44/hr. however, you do have full medical and dental with pension fund starting day one if you join a local union.

>>139404027
>Where are the trades and which one?

He's talking about very specific jobs with very few people. The average wage of a welder in the US, for example, is $17 an hour.

I know a lot more people working in trades or blue collar jobs making around that or less than I do making $100k+. And it's not easy work for high pay, it's shitty work where you risk permanent disability or death more often than with most jobs and by the time you hit 50 if you started young you're a broke dick with no retirement or skills you can use to make money without the physical ability.

Just like every other industry those "golden" jobs aren't nearly as prevalent as the people who hold them think.

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>california
>21k
>TFW I make more than that PASSIVELY after taxes a year with my side business that I established in highschool


seriously people are retarded. I maybe put 10 hours of work into that venture a month,

>>139389957
It's beauty is forbidden to behold

>>139404065
Yes, it must suck ass to be a chilean.

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>>139386954
>severe lack of high paying jobs available for new entry-level workers
>'can't believe how lazy these folks are not getting what isn't there'

>>139404425
what do you do

>>139386954
> CA 21k
Lmao can confirm that average person here is a fucking subhuman pleb low IQ monkey
That's the point, either we make shit wage or insane wages.
Either we live >ten to a house or <four

>>139404512
not really, you can easily maintain yourself with a monthly 400 dollars, and a family with 1430 dollars would have it hard by the end of the month but it doesnt matter, its pretty cheap, the dollar is the expensive one here

>>139386954
The economy is bullshit. No wages, only spend. Savings and planning are actively denigrated. It's not that the people in charge think we're retarded enough to accept this. It's that they're retarded enough to offer it.

PSA TO R*DDIT
THIS IS BAIT
NOW FUCK OFF

My generation is so fucked. I worked my way through school fulltime making 30k that's like 13 dollars an hour do harder work it pays better and builds character you mcpricks.

>>139399109
>american
>an animator
don't lie on the internet anon.

>>139404027
>Where the fuck? I live in miami, chemical engineer here, fuck that i wanted to work with oil. Where are the trades and which one?
Miami is a fucked market, a lot of spics and 2 guys 1 truck operations but you can still make bank as a sparky or in hvac if you can set yourself apart.

>>139404348
You're getting robbed. I started training at 15 an hour. Then again you're union.

>>139404390
No, I'm talking very broadly about trades in general.

>>139404536
Also
>import foreign workers to be able to pay them less
>Wonder why median income drops

>>139404151
Shut the fuck up, Bryan. Nobody buys your bullshit.

>>139402253
>garbagemen who probably can't even speak english are making $100k:
>http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/24/news/economy/trash-workers-high-pay/
Hmm... that sounds cherry-picked.

In the article:
>Nationwide, the annual salary for a garbage truck driver is $40,000

There's a story behind every ridiculously-high-sounding salary. Sometimes it's corruption, or money laundering, or a sweetheart job for someone's nephew. Often it means a job that seriously interferes with living a normal life and puts your life and health at risk, or requires you to live in a high-cost-of-living area where all of your money will go to rent for a miserable closet.

You might think, "Yeah, for that money, I'd drive a garbage truck." But would you drive a garbage truck on a route through neighborhoods the police won't go in, where the last guy quit because he got shot at twice last month?

There's always a reason.

>implying you'll ever get a job that pays well without knowing someone to get your foot in the door for you
You underestimate how much nepotism dominates the workforce.

>>139386954
This chart is bullshit. It does not take into account how much spending power a dollar is between states. A dollar is worth more in kansas than, say, new york

>>139402459
>subject related projects
Hey everyone listen to this guy.
Don't just have information, have skills.
The difference is in the execution.

>>139405041
Absolutely true, part of the good old boys club where I live, can work any job I want in this county.

>>139404779
>No, I'm talking very broadly about trades in general.

Then you're wrong. There is no one starting out in trades making 60k a year unless they are doing something very specific with a very small labor pool.

>>139404554
he sucks dicks

>>139404958
>But would you drive a garbage truck on a route through neighborhoods the police won't go in, where the last guy quit because he got shot at twice last month?
That kind of risk wouldn't scare me off a job. Is there a clearinghouse somewhere for work details that pull hazard pay?

>>139404390
That sounds about right too.
>>139404779
I'm hispanic so got that card for me.

Let me clarify I'm studying chemical engineer, and want to move to ND for oil related work

>>139386954
What's the ratio of good boy points to dollars?

>>139387356
>>139387419
Cost of living is also much higher.

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>>139386954


less money i make , less money the gov can steal via taxes to give to single moms and niggers

>>139392032
this

>>139403747
Holy shit I've seen this so often.

>>139404554
i own a drunk driving prevention program that also fronts as local business advertising to tourists and beach goers who use the service, cheaper and more hip alternative to bullshit uber and lyft fees.
I put in 6k my senior year of highschool and did door to door for adv sales, 80% clients stayed year after year, during summers between school I would go back out and try to bag a few more. now I am a graduate and worst case worst I will still have money to get by as the corporate job hunt continues.

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>>139405333
Wow. I'm surprised you're not freaking out over my bootstraps.

>>139405335
>they are doing something very specific with a very small labor pool.
I got there real quick and I think I was fairly clear that indeed the labor pool is fucking tiny. The amount of hvac techs is extremely low, the amount of hvac techs that can actually diagnose and repair equipment beyond basic electrical consists of maybe 10% of that group. Lead installers and decent sales techs will be making 60k easy. That being said sparkies and plumbers are killing it right now regardless.

The trade labor shortage is real and the demand has driven wages up a lot.

>>139405333
>part of the good old boys club

>not advancing through the tiers of networks and dropping the old ones

have fun being a middle manager your whole life. at least you will make enough to pay for your wife's kids' educations on gender queer theory

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>>139405737
Some people just don't know brother.

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>>139404390
Skills and jobs vary widely. My uncle was a welder for a power plant. He didn't have any special schooling, but he was a damned good welder and had the option to take however much overtime he wanted. He made a lot of money doing that work for decades, but he wasted a lot of it.

>>139389236

Western NY reporting, can confirm. I want to get out of Monroe county, the property taxes are insane here.

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why should I pay taxes to a society that wants to disenfranchise me as a white man?

Where the fuck is the work ethic? I'm 27, making 90k as an engineer. On weeknights I do freelance network IT work and teach kids karate for extra cash, and bounce at a country bar on the weekends. All told I clear over 105k a year working ~70 hrs a week. Tons of variety in my work and in my social circles with this set-up and I don't spend a ton of money on stupid shit. Why does no one employ the side hustle seriously?

>>139386954
Well... I'm doing better than average.

>>139406165
I am this poster >>139403076
no bitch to hold me down and no kids either, I do what I want. I am part mexican and refuse to make more mongrels. Enjoy your life brother, that is all you can do.

>>139405891
>and I think I was fairly clear

I read your posts as arguing that people should just "go into trades". Which isn't realistic for the vast majority of people whether it's physical limitation, no proximity to the existing labor pool (almost everyone I know who got into trades and blue collar jobs that pay well had an in with family or friends, and after a few minutes of questioning I tend to find most people who talk about breaking in will finally talk about their dad or friend who got them in), few apprenticeship opportunities, terrible quality control on trade schools and programs nationally etc.

As far as the labor shortage, I have to wonder how much of that is due to wage protection.

>>139406400
Delete this. Comrade Trudeau won that fight by TKO

>>139406508
Hey do what I do man, I'm half huemonkey got with a Polish girl. My kids look white af.

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>>139404260
oh shit, thats me....!! what can I do to milk some sweet bucks.

Ive already been paid 15K to learn to be a pro photographer

and I have a boss that cant set up an email client. with tens of thousands in the biz account.

theyre dumb as fucccck

>>139406444
>Why does no one employ the side hustle seriously?

There are a lot of people working more or the same hours as you making half or less than what you do.

Your circumstances are not representative of most people.

>>139387895
Bullshit. There are plenty of well paying trades out there that only require 6 months to 2 years of schooling to complete and only cost a fraction of the tuition a college degree does.

Stuck up little millenial fuck wads were just raised to think that jobs like plumbing and electrical work are beneath them, and working with their hands is scary.
There is a massive demand for those kinds of jobs, but only a trickle of new blood willing to do them. Some companies are so desperate for workers they're willing to pay for all of your training.
Christ, a carpenters apprentice makes about 20k a year just to LEARN the trade. Most millenials pay that much a year for their worthless liberal arts and gender studies degrees.

>>139406809
I know, the problem is that a lot of people doing multiple gigs aren't doing them in skilled or specialized areas. People stack unskilled jobs which still doesn't ount to much or they just work the one skilled job for meh wages. There should be drive to stack jobs with at least one being skilled

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>>139386954
>Lets poll a generation whom are still in college while working part time, or just graduating looking to get into their field!
>These shitlords make close to poverty! Lets use this as propaganda

>>139406770
I refuse to, if I do that I will regret it for the rest of my life.

>>139407155
I agree. You muddy genes should fade out of existence forever.

>>139388730
Sure, that what they all say

>>139407065
Millenials are finishing college while gen z are entering college.

>>139407065
most of millenials are out of college

94s-96s are pretty much the last ones

>>139406979
>People stack unskilled jobs

Because making rent is a reality. They didn't have generational wealth to pay their way through college or provide a safety net.

So when you have to make a certain amount to meet cost of living, and two unskilled jobs with very little hour flexibility meet that demand, you don't really have time to go out and get those skills. That's if your employers won't just fire you for trying to get those skills. A few of the service industry employers where I live (a city in central Florida) have openly said to people I know working there or trying to work there that they will be let go if they can't be on call 24/7 and won't be considered for in house promotion if they're in college.

>>139407155
Naw dude being a father is great and them having a Brazilian passport means they can vacation there freely and easy inherit my property there when I die

For a board full of nazis, /pol/ sure is happy to suck the dicks of rich Jewish businessmen and support their interests over their own.

>>139407407
>>139407354
Millennial is a more broad age range than you're thinking. It's from the mid 80s all the way to the year 2000. 17 year olds are considered millennials.

>>139407263
It's a terrible fate and it depresses me everyday but it's what is necessary.

>>139406788
What is that, 11 grand?

>>139386954
Conservative white people are the most fake and ugliest looking creatures on the planet!

Conservative white people are the most fake and ugliest looking creatures on the planet!

Conservative white people are the most fake and ugliest looking creatures on the planet!

>>139386954
Millennial here. Already made $462k this year from cryptocurrency just fucking around with some computers.

Lazy but rich.

>>139407611
Adding on: this survey was printed in 2014. So some of these millenials, at the time, could've been 14.

>>139406568
>I read your posts as arguing that people should just "go into trades"
Fair enough, I see how you could get that. At the end of the day I'm trying to say trades aren't for everyone but neither is college and the culture today has driven up trade wages to the point it's insane due to shortages.

>no proximity to the existing labor pool (almost everyone I know who got into trades and blue collar jobs that pay well had an in with family or friends, and after a few minutes of questioning I tend to find most people who talk about breaking in will finally talk about their dad or friend who got them in)
I will say I got in because I met someone who did hvac work but I'm not bullshitting when I say we will hire and train fucking anyone who's willing to do it.

> few apprenticeship opportunities
Not a union state but every shop pays to train anyone that so much as says they want to work. Knowing the business and management side of it now it's usually because I can't get lead techs for helpers instantly but I can always at that point refer them to one of the other shops who will take them (we all know each other).

>terrible quality control on trade schools and programs nationally etc.
Very true for hvac but there are some very strong programs for electricians out there.

>As far as the labor shortage, I have to wonder how much of that is due to wage protection.
Considering 30/hr with as many hours as you want is reasonable in hvac if you are so much as decent I think it's more so people don't know. I pulled cable then became a network admin, I had no idea the trades were as complex, engaging, fun, and most importantly high paying as they are until I got into them. Common culture on the sales tech end is to show payroll to each other and talk about money, I know I wont be believed but I was in rooms with rednecks and Puerto Ricans where we were all flaunting our 4k+ paychecks for the week.

>>139395940
Uncut cocks look hideous

>>139407559
Politics are a fucking joke but serious shit at the same time, despite your social and political standing not studying both is of the upmost retardation. Both affect your everyday lives and will continue to do so unless complete extinction.

nv has all the hookers makin that shekellllll tossin that pusssss

>>139406239
That y axis scale really sets a spooky mood.

>45k week job
>5k weekends
>25
0 savings
guess why??
>boomer parents
i should just ditch them desu

are there any trade jobs that you can work weekends only?

>>139407512
That really sucks, I've never done hard service industry like that but I hear it's cutthroat. a lot of places in other industries will help pay for school tho even when unskilled. Package/freight handlers, fast food chains, etc will all contribute yearly to school costs while employing you part-time. I went to school spending 4 hr a night after class mon-fri stacking boxes in trucks for UPS and they paid 3k a term toward my education, I hear it's higher now. Stacking employment to achieve your dreams is super viable you just need to use the Google and do your homework beforehand

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Why do you think I care? I'll never get married, raise a family or hold a position of power. All I like to do is go to museums, do some reading and attend church.

$30-40,000 is plenty for me to survive. There's not future anyway so why would I wage cuck super hard to put a higher number in my account? And you can't trust pensions or social security, they won't exist when we become middle aged.

>>139387259

says the spic in his gang's basement

>>139407749
Millennial here also. Already made 756 millions from lottery just buying a 1$ ticket.
Lazy but rich.

>>139403994
18,000 Per year Pablo. Wages are shown by year in America whereas I imagine they are shown by month in Chile.

>>139407968
I meant to add history to the post but I am drunk at this point.

>>139407512
>A few of the service industry employers where I live (a city in central Florida)
Lakeland? They can get a job doing membrane roofs or fucking air tomorrow making great money.

>>139396656
As if people weren't saying that very thing 50 years ago. You don't even know what you're talking about; just repeating what you overheard your mother or father say one evening whilst complaining about a lack of job security, hardship, stress, and the like.

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>>139386954
I'm literally making 5x the median income for millennials in my state and still can't get a girl, I thought they liked money!

>>139408352
>Lakeland?

In Brevard County in the Titusville, Cocoa, Rockledge area.

>>139408021
>are there any trade jobs that you can work weekends only?
Most of them, install crew as a floater.

>>139408029
That is a hard fucking job bro. Don't undersell it.

>One man gets 4 hours to frantically pack three trucks that 3 different dudes have 12 hours to unload while ripping butts and sipping ice coffee

>>139405891
>The trade labor shortage is real and the demand has driven wages up a lot.
Average tradesman salary is still $35,000/year. Average entry-level is under $24,000/year. Remember that because those are averages, and there are hard floors but soft ceilings, most make less. If one guy is making $200,000/year and five make $20,000, they're averaging $50,000, over twice the typical experience. The outliers tend to pull the average above the typical.

What you see happening a lot is that wages go up temporarily when there's a shortage of qualified people. So new guys enter that field, or someone develops technology so the job can be done without those specific qualifications, and soon there isn't a shortage, and the wages go back down.

For every tradesman bragging about how he made $90k/year for the last three years, and he only started five years ago, there's five with twenty years of experience who can't find a job in their trade, and are having to look at those $24,000/year entry-level options.

People aren't stupid. They aren't eager to go into the trades because they just aren't a very good career option.

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>>139406400
>cherry picking bad photos of Trudeau even though he wins every fight by TKO.

Sad, honestly.

>22k per year
>in California

Literally a state of old fags and Mexicans that live 10 per room. Top kek.

>>139408479
Close enough to the Orlando area. Orlando is top tier market, verticals (so easy work) and new construction left and right.

>>139408470
Start to lift, dumdum.

>>139408614
>For every tradesman bragging about how he made $90k/year for the last three years, and he only started five years ago, there's five with twenty years of experience who can't find a job in their trade, and are having to look at those $24,000/year entry-level options.
I have never met a sparky, plumber, carpenter, or hvac tech that is halfway decent that can't get work.

>People aren't stupid. They aren't eager to go into the trades because they just aren't a very good career option.
I don't agree with that, I see ignorance of trades everywhere and showing a paystub tends to be the best recruiting tool out there.

>>139408869

You're not taking opportunity cost into consideration. The opportunity cost being losing a sure job that makes ends meet to take a huge risk to move an hour away to a higher cost of living city to maybe get a job that you may or may not be qualified for.

You're tying to provide a specific solution to a specific group of people when that is just an example of a broader issue. Not everyone who is working multiple shitty jobs with little flexibility can just move to Orlando and get a specific job.

>>139387895
Fucking this. Graduated with a degree in biochemistry and every job with a 2 hour commute requires experience or a license (which im now working towards)

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>no jobs available

>lazy

pick one, boomer/genx faggot who got his job during a thriving economy

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>>139387419
Fuck off we are full

>>139409282
Bro, you wouldn't move to Orlando you just drive there. I've run Punta Gorda route for months and I'm in Tampa. I have honestly hired and trained new people when I was working for a shop that had an Orlando branch from that area. Trades don't usually require you to be anywhere near the city you work. In one day I did a commercial job in Ft Myers then a residential estimate in Deltona and hit a PM in Lakeland on the way back.

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>>139386954
just fuck my shit up OP

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>>139386954
I TRIED SO HARD

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>>139386954
gets better and better

>>139407611

With how fast our society is developing, generations should last no longer than 10 years.

I was born in 1993 and I barely have anything in common with someone born in 1980.

I make just over $100,000 a year. I have a good pension plus a 457 and a 401 that with Trump in office is making several thousand a month. I live in the midwest. I have an associate degree in a highly specialized trade that requires different levels of state tested licenses. My job is high skill blue collar. I work in a large industrial facility. I have to be knowledgeable and skilled at many different subjects. The job involves a lot of computer, and chemistry work as well as dirty, hot, noisy, hard blue collar work. I work on highly complex instruments, work with 12750 volts, developed complex spreadsheets, and slam on machinery with an eight pound sledge hammer. I must be both mentally and physically very strong. I own a nice home, have an above average number of children, my wife is a stay at home mom with a 2016 minivan, and I drive a 2016 4x4 pickup. We take vacations, and my children have a great life. College educated white collar people look down on people like me, but in reality, I'm smarter, better read, and better cultured than the vast majority of them.

>>139409708
>Bro, you wouldn't move to Orlando you just drive there.

You're assuming they have transportation that can make that commute reliably versus working in the same city or even neighborhood.

>I have honestly hired and trained new people

How many? What were they're backgrounds? Were they previously known to you or introduced by someone else you know?

Because it's not enough to make a statistically significant dent if you hired five people.

>>139407749
I know you're lying, But I started off with 100$ in Btc 2 years ago and now I have 250k

>>139410133
>You're assuming they have transportation that can make that commute reliably versus working in the same city or even neighborhood.
Every shop provides company trucks. I have never not had a company truck that I use as a personal since I started. I also don't even have a real personal phone anymore since every shop gives you free phones, tablets sometimes too.

>How many? What were they're backgrounds? Were they previously known to you or introduced by someone else you know?
In that specific area 3. Overall dozens which in our industry IS statistically relevant.

This is what I'm saying about ignorance regarding trades, people don't even know about these options.

>>139410117
>College educated white collar people look down on people like me

They really don't, at least not as some kind of cohesive singular entity. This is just culture war bullshit that your friends/family and popular culture have drummed into your head over your lifetime.

>but in reality, I'm smarter, better read, and better cultured than the vast majority of them.

You actually likely aren't, but that doesn't matter. Don't hold onto this complex you seem to have.

>>139407888
I have a friend who's dad owns a small hvac business and he makes very good money. From what I've heard the biggest problem he has with staffing is that it's really hard to get reliable workers. It's not uncommon for him to hire a guy who quits in a few months because the working conditions suck. The other problem is that many of the workers have substance abuse problems. Some guys smoke weed on the way to the job site and can handle it, but others think they can and manage to fuck shit up. The more serious problem is that sometimes guys want to huff freon. It seems like everybody who works in hvac long enough has a story about a guy huffing freon and passing out or dying.

>>139409186
>I have never met a [tradesman] that can't get work.

Oh no, wait, it's:
>I have never met a sparky, plumber, carpenter, or hvac tech ... that can't get work.
Hmm... that cuts out a lot of trades. But at least if you get into one of those ones, you've got it made.

Or wait, no...
>who was halfway decent
That sounds awfully subjective. How do you define it? By the people who can get work in a competitive marketplace? How many have you met who weren't "halfway decent" and found it a career dead end after investing years of their life?

But even then...
>I have never met a [person I'm defining by their job title who doesn't have that job]

>[No true scotsman] can't get work.
There we have it.

>showing a paystub tends to be the best recruiting tool out there
Looking at the statistics and history paints a very different picture than cherry-picking success stories:
$35k/year, career-long average, *if* you can even keep a job.

I can point out millionaire novelists, musicians, and athletes for you all day, but those are still terrible career choices for most people.

>>139410365
I was offered $2000 worth of bit coin 4 years ago and I denied it, Woulda coulda shoulda.

>>139410542
>Overall dozens which in our industry IS statistically relevant.

That's nice, but it's not significant for the whole of the labor pool.

>In that specific area 3.

There are ~18,000 people with a workforce of about 8,000 in Cocoa alone .

>>139407749
Congrats on your money but cypto's not going to last forever. It's a bubble. Go back to /biz/

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>>139386954
Sup m8s
I'm a millennial and I make $74,000/yr in North Dakota doing oil field shit

>>139392825
the usa is designed for anti social behavior. thats why schools push all those clubs on students. because after school and college the only social interaction youll have is with your coworkers or maybe the grocery store cashier. noone goes to bars anymore after college because theyre too far away and the applebees is closer so you just end up going there with some coworker. my point being americans waste time socializing at work because theyre soo deprived of human interaction any other time. its not like europe where you can ride the train or bus to work then hit the pub after work get drunk and take the train back home

>>139410649
>From what I've heard the biggest problem he has with staffing is that it's really hard to get reliable workers. It's not uncommon for him to hire a guy who quits in a few months because the working conditions suck.
True, but that's why we burn our helpers. It doesn't help that a lot of people are pussies.

>The other problem is that many of the workers have substance abuse problems. Some guys smoke weed on the way to the job site and can handle it, but others think they can and manage to fuck shit up.
Also true, I'm an alcoholic and the only person at my shop that doesn't smoke weed. Most of us do drugs.

>The more serious problem is that sometimes guys want to huff freon. It seems like everybody who works in hvac long enough has a story about a guy huffing freon and passing out or dying.
Refrigerant huffing is a meme and extremely rare. Literally have more problems with retards staring at UV lights.

>>139386954
i made 48k pretax last year stacking boxes and loading trucks in a warehouse

im also in constant pain from the physical nature of the work, havnt had back to back days off in 5 years let alone a weekend and work on avg 50 a week

does this mean im successful?

>>139392479
Most people who complain about high costs of living usually are spending or want to spend above their means.

>>139386954
how can i get it down to 10k?

>>139389676
Go fuck yourself
The fact that a millennial can't make a livable wage with one job in this country is DESPICABLE.
Of course they shouldn't count how much they get from their parents or subsidized loans (loans for college, the only real ticket out of their situation. And even that is a long shot)
The fact that young people today cannot sustain themselves is a failure of the generations before them!

We were sold a lie by the older generations, and you will pay dearly for what you have stolen

>>139410668
>That sounds awfully subjective. How do you define it? By the people who can get work in a competitive marketplace? How many have you met who weren't "halfway decent" and found it a career dead end after investing years of their life?
Halfway decent at this point literally means can maybe do their job 50% of the time.

>$35k/year, career-long average, *if* you can even keep a job.
Show the statistics because most likely they can be picked apart. I don't know anyone making that little outside of uncertified and unlicensed hacks that larp as tradesmen, the same people that GREATLY bring down the average earnings on any statistic report you can find.

I don't even side job for less than 120 an hour.

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>get a job
>there's old fucks that are like 70 still working there, taking up positions
>position opens up
>rather than hire a qualified white male such as myself, HR promotes some black aGender LBGTQ lesbian with pink hair because it covers a lot of affirmative action quotas in one go
>almost no room for advancement because they stay there until they die and I don't wanna stay at the bottom for 2 decades earning minimum wage

>>139410897
There are only a few hundred thousand hvac techs in the whole US. Adding three from a workforce of 8,000 is huge statistically.

>>139411584
they bought into the whole suburbia meme and that really fucked us to where we are now. america was pretty comfy when everyone lived in the cities and rode the trolley or some horse drawn carriage while those pompous rich assholes had their model t's

2 years community college plus 2 years in good online university costs $25K - $30K total (assumes your punk ass lives at home with mom and dad). Get CS degree. Make sure you learn real coding and tools.
Then entry level job for BigCorp in the midwest is $60K - $65K per year. Plus benefits plus 401K plus vacation.

>feel like a failure
>have an easy job where I make 50% more than my state's listed median income
Could be worse I suppose

Also this is somewhat unrelated but does anyone else get really sad when you see really old people in retail or food services jobs

>>139412462
only if theyre cleaning the bathrooms, otherwise they probably just want to be around people

>>139411871
Traditional cities are pretty comfy, but have two big problems: blacks and factories. Nobody wants to live near either of them.

>>139387419
Move to Anchorage. It's basically like Seattle these days. No cold, gets more rain than snow, full of spics and niggers and fags. Awful place. Fairbanks is where it's at. -40F keeps all the niggers and fags out.

>>139411845
Yes, for adding to the pool of HVAC technicians. It is not significant for the labor pool who are in those circumstances I described and greatly outnumber HVAC technicians (labor force nationally is about 204 million).

For the opportunity cost to those vying for those jobs you're looking at the wrong end. Just using Cocoa numbers those 3 jobs represent less than 1/10th of 1 percent of the labor force. How many do you think can justify the opportunity cost for that?

>>139412660
the blacks in the major cities are more chill, theyre used to city life and different classes of people of all races. its the smaller cities where theyre still stuck in some plantation mentality.

>>139388630
I make 110k in MD and my wife makes 80k and I still feel poor. The cost of living here is just really high.

>>139412593
>just want to be around people

>T. idiot

>>139388730
>I'll make 100k after my masters
You won't.
>I'll make 100k after my certificate in a serious profession
You probably will.

Reality isn't the bill of goods they sold you in commie college. I know a finance guy that went into Deloitte and still didn't make over 70 his first years.

>>139413096
so they didnt move to florida to drive under the speed limit is that what you want to aspire to be when youre old? moving to florida?

>>139412803
>For the opportunity cost to those vying for those jobs you're looking at the wrong end. Just using Cocoa numbers those 3 jobs represent less than 1/10th of 1 percent of the labor force. How many do you think can justify the opportunity cost for that?
As far as I see it you're looking at it from the wrong end as I as an individual am providing those jobs. 1/10th of 1 percent is a lot from one dude in Tampa.

>How many do you think can justify the opportunity cost for that?
I'm still not seeing the opportunity cost.

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>>139411770
>he works a woman job
lmao

>>139413342
>1/10th of 1 percent is a lot from one dude in Tampa.

I'm talking just for Cocoa, a small city.

>I'm still not seeing the opportunity cost.

Because it makes your argument inconvenient. The opportunity cost is giving up an already existing job(s) that pay cost of living for a potential job which represents less than 1/10th of 1 percent of the jobs in Cocoa.

What a pathetic generation. Sad! Stop jerking off and playing video games and working retail!

>>139386954

i make 32k but i feel extremely poor. how are these kids surviving?

>>139413730
im waiting for the jobs to trickle down daddy trump! i know youll make those brown people go back home so i can blow leaves on rich peoples lawns one day with my engineering degree and 80k of student loan debt.

>>139413648
>I'm talking just for Cocoa, a small city.
And I'm saying that that's still a lot of jobs from one dude. We could have more but no one wants to do it. You're approaching this like a child.

>Because it makes your argument inconvenient. The opportunity cost is giving up an already existing job(s) that pay cost of living for a potential job which represents less than 1/10th of 1 percent of the jobs in Cocoa.
No, it's giving up an existing job(s) which pays shit for a sure job. How many other people took said option which is available to basically every healthy male in said workforce is irrelevant.

>>139412980
Spend some time around blacks and you'll see this is very wrong. Rural blacks might have a plantation mentality, but that keeps them from getting uppity.

>>139413374
>destroying the environment
>man's job

>>139414276
not that rural, im talking overgrown towns where they think its a city but its just a shitty boring place.

>>139389037
Literally lying to them, it takes 5 or 6 years to get accredited and you start at slightly above minimum wage.

>>139413982
>You're approaching this like a child.

How ironic.

>No, it's giving up an existing job(s) which pays shit for a sure job

So you could hire 8000 people right now?

>How many other people took said option which is available to basically every healthy male in said workforce is irrelevant.

It is actually the literal exact opposite of irrelevant, that is it's relevant how much of a share of the labor force those jobs accounted for to those who would weigh the opportunity costs (which go beyond just what I've mentioned).

At this point you're just digging your heels in because you want to feel like you're right that the only thing holding everyone in the world back from having a comfy job making mid to high six figures with a low cost of living is that they just haven't pulled themselves up by their bootstraps like you did.

>>139392825
This was my experience working for USA gov job. Appearance mattered more than efficacy.

I make around 85k AFTER taxes because I take contract work as a healthcare provider. I am still extremely dissatisfied because the only upward mobility in my career is becoming middle management. How the fuck can I break out of workplace monotony?

>>139408155
Says the white virgin in his grandma basement

>>139414654
just like it did in high school. thats why things like columbine occurred because why the fuck do kids need to be so fucking concerned about trivial shit?

>>139386954
I honestly belive that the easyt and widespread use of social media directly contributes to a more lathagic and idiotic youth. Wherein if you were to do something stupid in the early 90's or earlier would only be able to show off (or gauge opinions on their actions) from a small group of peers and family whom cared about an individuals wellbeing, now days you can do something stupid and post it online to overwhelming praise. It does bad things to ones social perception and outlook on life, that they are encouraged (sometimes by millions) to act like an idiot and share it online.

Well, good news for me I guess, I'm nearly 3x the median in my state. Granted I lose like $500 every paycheck in taxes living in Chicago.

>>139414478
Took me 1 day of study to get a 608 and never touched minimum.

>>139414534
>So you could hire 8000 people right now?
Central Florida is in dire need of at least 1000 more hvac techs.

>It is actually the literal exact opposite of irrelevant, that is it's relevant how much of a share of the labor force those jobs accounted for
They should account for more but no one wants to do them, they'd rather make 12/hr and waste money on a car and cell phone that they can get free.

>who would weigh the opportunity costs (which go beyond just what I've mentioned).
The opportunity costs you mentioned were already countered, what opportunity costs are there?

>At this point you're just digging your heels in because you want to feel like you're right that the only thing holding everyone in the world back from having a comfy job making mid to high six figures with a low cost of living is that they just haven't pulled themselves up by their bootstraps like you did.
No, I'm just making my point that they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps if they want. That market is insane.

>>139413374
>these "men" can't even run a saw
Feels good to be a tradesman.

>>139406956
>t. Non college educated faggot talking out of his ass

>>139388730
Lol you'll be making well under that during your first years.

>>139415063
>Central Florida is in dire need of at least 1000 more hvac techs.

So now you're broadening out again.

So let's shift to the labor force of Florida, which is approximately 10 million. 1000 jobs for 10 million workers represents even less than the previous numbers I've outlined. That's .000009 or .0009%.

>They should account for more but no one wants to do them, they'd rather make 12/hr and waste money on a car and cell phone that they can get free.

You're simplifying again by ignoring other factors, such as opportunity costs to pursue work that represents .0009% of the work force.

>The opportunity costs you mentioned were already countered

They actually weren't, all you did was restate your argument. Do you even know what an opportunity cost is?

>what opportunity costs are there?

Again, already existing employment. There is also the opportunity cost of moving for employment which means moving away from a support network of friends and family.

>No, I'm just making my point that they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps if they want. That market is insane.

You're restating your argument, but you're not making any real point.

The "insane market" you're talking about represents .0009% of the work force in Florida.

>>139406956
>and gender studies degrees.

How many, as a percentage of total degrees awarded, gender and culture studies degrees do you think the average college awards per year?

I guarantee it is significantly smaller than you think.

>>139386954
I couldn't get a job of $12 with my biology degree, so I went NEET. Although I'm self-studying coding now with a Snakify site an anon posted last week.

>>139415881
>So let's shift to the labor force of Florida, which is approximately 10 million. 1000 jobs for 10 million workers represents even less than the previous numbers I've outlined. That's .000009 or .0009%.
I said central Florida but I'll concede that number is still quite marginal. I will however point out again that since these jobs are unfilled anyone is free to take them at this time but we still have shortage.

>You're simplifying again by ignoring other factors, such as opportunity costs to pursue work that represents .0009% of the work force.
You have yet to state said opportunity cost.

>They actually weren't, all you did was restate your argument. Do you even know what an opportunity cost is?
I'm starting to wonder if you do, it's a complex subject so you better bring up more than reliable transportation if you want to address it.

>Again, already existing employment. There is also the opportunity cost of moving for employment which means moving away from a support network of friends and family.
As I stated before, no moving necessary. Are you even reading?

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>>139398259
Too true. The country is going to hell.

>>139416370
>since these jobs are unfilled anyone is free to take them at this time but we still have shortage.

Because the job being available isn't the only variable people consider, which has been my entire point.

>You have yet to state said opportunity cost.

I actually stated the most important opportunity cost, which is already existing employment which meets cost of living. You are consistently ignoring it and "but what else"ing.

Potential loss of current income
Potential loss of support network
Time away from family on the road (to address your claim that there would be absolutely no relocation involved)

>I'm starting to wonder if you do, it's a complex subject so you better bring up more than reliable transportation if you want to address it.

Reliable transportation wasn't something I cited as an opportunity cost because that's not what an opportunity cost is. Reliable transportation was cited as an obstacle.

Just FYI an opportunity cost, as simply as possible, is something given up in order to do something else.

Which weighing those opportunity costs, even if we assume you are 100% correct that no one would ever have to relocate ever, against .0009% representation of the work force is still not going to be a strong, instant positive influence for someone to flock to these jobs.

>>139409734
paging Jimmy McMillan

>>139407968

You missed the point.

/pol/ LOVES Jews, as long as those jews are businessmen.