The older I get, the more I hate christianity. The meekness of

I will pray for you, anon.

I don't have to explain myself from heaven.

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>>139289855
Jesus loves you.
>>139289978
God bless.

>>139289855
Religion is basically the definition of stupid.

>>139289855
Don't mistake the trappings for the religion.

All institutions are susceptible to such nonsense, such as meekness. It is up to individuals like you to interpret the text and live it in your own vision.

>Not being a moral pagan but a cultural Christian

>>139290400
>it is up to you to ignore the facets of religion you don't like in what is literally the words of a god, so you can always rationalize your shitty behavior

>>139289978
I will do nothing for him, too.

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>>139289855
Here's my take on it. Christianity basically comes down to love your family and friends, and don't fuck up life for people around you. Jesus gave his sermons during a time before mass communication and globalization, so this whole hippy shit of "love everyone unconditionally" is bullshit. You can't love everyone, even if you did, love would become cheap and meaningless.

Love is stronger than hate, because love is good. God is all that is perfect and good, and god wants us to be good like him, because being good is the only way to lead a truly satisfying life. Jesus was God in the flesh in the sense that he embodied this goodness perfectly, or as perfect as a mortal could.

God exists in all of us, he is not some cosmic giant watching us from the clouds. God is the pinnacle of good, and he wants us to live moral lives because he wants us to be closer to him.

God is lonely because no one today tries to follow Jesus' example.

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>>139289855
We are not supposed to turn our cheek on people destroying our lives, society, values and take us away from God.

What they are trying to teach you with that is to not spend time on those who hate you but on better things and to be better than them knowing that this life is a temporary one and they are pissing their pants to keep warm by being cruel, its not a lesson about having to smile at the destruction of everything good and nice
Jesus took action when people overstepped

"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,"

he even flipped tables. If we kept our true Christian values instead of becoming atheist cucks then we would not have todays immigration problem for example.

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Reminder that Jesus wasn't about being "nice".

>>139289855
Everyone I know who is christian doesn't even follow the rules. The girls still slut around and cheat on their bfs. They still shoplift.

They just get mad when you say "fuck god" around them.

When Jesus returns he is dressed for Battle.
Meekness is having the ability to destroy yet withholding that power. He will not with old that power when he faces his enemies. Neither will we, mewhammy. This is one Christian that would have no hesitation of removing Satanic Islam from the Earth.

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>>139290824
well said anon
agreed

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>>139289855
Sorry for your total misunderstanding of Christianity. Will pray that you find the way. What you're probably seeing is a bunch of Protestants and fake Christians bending over and lubing up. It's not like that at all.

>>139290824
So you actually believe that a jewish carpenter was the son of god and that he came back from the dead etc.? That he could walk on water?

Don't dodge this question by spouting a bunch of nonsense about love.

These threads are a great antibiotic to heal your /pol/ addiction. Because they are evidence that the discussions and people are utterly ignorant, retarded, pseudo enlightened boomer children and that the truly enlightened are diamonds in a sea of dull stones.

And I thank g*d, for making me an atheist!

Some people believe in the old testament. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Christianity has the power to destroy Islam today. We allow you to worship your false God to give you the time God has given you to accept his son as Lord. One day that time will be out. Islam is on borrowed time from loving Christians. Be grateful most Christians withhold my hand. I dislike Islam above all religions and I want them gone yesterday. Islam, with their "creeping Sharia", is a cancer on Dearborn, MI. Islam must go away. Islam is the enemy of the American people and they stink.

>>139289855
Turn the other cheek is about not retaliating to petty insults/mockery in kind because nothing good comes of it.

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>>139291757
>Yes the guy that Jews had killed and then tried to kill anyone who saw his works like Lazarus is the true Jewish subversion

Get out of here you dirty Jew. Repent.

>>139289855
in fact you are lying in a bed in a coma for almost 10 years already
>he thinks some anime imageboard could have elected a US president by using memes
>he thinks that a forum full of autists predicted corectly islamic invasion, terrorist atacks and everything looks to confirm a start of the race war soon as well as WWIII
really, really??
>FUCK THIS STUPID SHIT! What kind of moron would believe all this?
kek

>>139291757
Do I believe that a woman was impregnated by thin air? not really, but I'm open to the possibility.

The miracles of Jesus are irrelevent, Like I said before, Jesus being named "the son of God," or "God in flesh," doesn't mean that God physically impregnated Mary, it means that he exemplified the virtues he preached. He lived as a perfectly good being would live if it were mortal.

It doesn't matter if he was magic or not, many of Jesus' mystical properties were exaggerated in order to convert pagans.

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>>139290599
All ideas evolve, expand, burgeon.

If you stay with dogma long after the environment necessitates its existence, you are no different to a machine.

Even the average fool understands that Christianity's institutions have undergone many revolutions. Look at how many denominations exist now.

Communism is no different. Neither is Nazism.

The only remaining consistency is the foolishness of man.

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>>139291757
honestly, you're falling into the same pitfalls that every 15 year old atheist falls into, you're paying to close attention to the envelope instead of the message within. You belittle Christians for believing in silly absurd stories, when in reality we don't take them at face value but treat them as parables, while ignoring the helpful guidance that can be found in these stories.

pic related is me, I'm kekking at your life

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Yeah, realizing religion is a bunch of bullshit so people who have to deal with their own mortality can believe they are going to get eternal bliss.

It's a cop-out, a way of saying "I'll be OK when I die" and having the magical thinking that everything happens for a reason when it really doesn't and the entire universe is one big accident.

Not believing in religion is a redpill, plain and simple. Also, Christianity and Judaism and Islam are all started by kikes, and believing in a god makes you believe in a jewish god.

Why do I have to keep posting this? When you die, it's like you go to sleep forever but never dream! Why the fuck are you scared for that?

It's the biggest redpill you'll ever see faggots. You're all apes on the third rock from the sun, who will die. If you want to live forever, go into genetic engineering and solve it.

>>139289855
You know what? ATHEISM FUCKING SUCKS DICKS.
Atheists are weak self destructive, subhumans.
Religion has accomplished empires, military orders, huge POWER, rulers of large empires, monarchies, kingdoms, doctrines, civilizations and social cohesion.

Atheism has achieved nothing but the fuckery, decadence and bastardization of societies morals, gender roles.
Under religion, we had woman at home rising kids and shaming whores, faggots, obscenity, promiscuity. Under religion we had conflictive views with Islam and Jews.

Atheism has only fucked society.

>>139292911
OK, I get it. You're not a "real" christian, you're just following the moral message that was preached by Jesus. You don't actually believe all the myths about him, Jesus is more like a philosopher to you. I can respect that attitude.

>>139293536
Fuck off with your bluepill facebook-like comment.

>>139289855
Jesus spoke Aramaic
Jews spoke Hebrew
Jesus called the Jews the children of the devil
John 8:44

>>139293578
that's because all religions, for their many faults, centers around the truths that life has meaning and goodness and love are the most powerful forces in existence. This rallies people and gives them hope, reaffirming their desire for survival and desire for achievement.
Atheism offers nothing other than the belief that life is meaningless, and that pleasure is the only good worth striving for, leading to a nihilistic and self destructive society.

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>>139290824
Exchristians are the weakest of all cucks, literally LARPing as males the rest of their lives because they have rejected the most patriarchical institution on earth

>>139293767
>>139293578

Right faggot. So I'm bluepilled for believing in that after I die, everything is going to be A-OKAY and ANGELS are going to take care of me.

In addition, you sound like a 14 year old mormon going through a life crisis because he's outside of his polygamous household where his father is fucking wives his own age.

Gas yourself you delusional fuckwit.

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>>139289855
What sort of retarded battle formation is that? Wait a second...they're supposed to be Celts, aren't they? Shit.

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>>139293536
>It's a cop-out, a way of saying "I'll be OK when I die" and having the magical thinking that everything happens for a reason when it really doesn't and the entire universe is one big accident.

If they're in it for this they're wrong. I know strawmen are easy to make when it comes to religion, because I was atheist in the past and I did the same exact thing. There's also no shortage of moronic "christians" who are just virtue signaling in the same way liberals do so that obviously gets stuck in your mind. Hopefully you at least believe a little bit of what some random anon is saying and take serious look. Look into orthodoxy for instance. Don't fall for the papal jew or any of the false crypto-papist protestants.

>>139293291
I thought the word of god was eternal? The prophecies were only meant to last for what, 500 years? Is that what you are saying?

Ideas can expand past the point where they bear little or no relation to the previous ideas. Humanism shaped Christianity into something palatable.

>>139294111
Are you calling me an Exchristian? because I agree with the left side of your pic far more than the right side. I believe in forgiveness of past sins, but only if the sinner actually strives to change his ways and never sin again. Like I said, to love every single person you meet unconditionally is bullshit made up by vagrant drug addicts during the Free Love movement. Spirituality is like hot iron that must be tempered through the teachings of Christ.

>>139289855
>Romans holding regular spears instead of pilum

Pleb tier historical accuracy

>>139293393
If you ignore the parts you do not like, even though it was the literal word of god, why not ignore the whole book?

>>139294120
As long as you have love in your heart when you die, yes everything will be ok.
Love is the key to heaven, hate and fear are the keys to hell.

>>139289855
I'm an agnostic but I like Christians because they tend to be right of center. Too many fedoras on the left.

Pope Francis is a turbofag though.

>>139294754
because I'm not "ignoring the parts I don't like," I'm finding the actual meaning behind the stories. Judging by your flag, I bet you thought Animal Farm was just a story about talking farm animals.

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All Catholics, including the winged hussars, Jean de vallete, and Richard the Lionheart, and King Baldwin

>>139294748
It is almost as if that there are so many contradictions in the Bible that you can apply any sort of morality system that you personally bear to it. And the parts that are not contradictory are vague.

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>>139294217
If you lifted all day your body never repairs your muscles and you would stay a weak faggot, dumbass.

>>139295062
>flag
Business Goy

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>>139294120
Yes you are blue pilled dumb shit.
Religion is about power, culture, social influence, history.
Not about >LELELELE XDXDXDXD LELE EPIC FAIRY TALES LUGIC FLAW XDXDXDXD.
Fucking kill yourself.

>>139294970
If Jesus did not turn water into wine, why have it in there? It is a deliberate falsehood to tell that story should it not have happened.

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>>139294872
Pope is a position that shouldn't even exist. Check out orthodoxy. Comfy and ancient. Survived the scourge of communism and the ottomans.

>>139294754
Unfortunately you don't understand it at all but I highly suggest looking more into it.

>>139294970
Do you believe that Jesus was the son of god, that he died for our sins and came back to life after that?

If your answer is NO, then you're not a christian at all.

>>139290824
To love your enemies is virtuous since there is no other reason to do it other than the goodness of your heart.

Even the worst man can love his followers. Loving people who love you is expected. Loving those who hate you is uniquely Christian.

However, don't mistake love for an excuse to let people off their crimes. Punish and execute if you must but do not do it out of malice.

>>139295259
If religion is about all of the things you say it is about, then why have the clearly untrue things in it? What is that adding?

>>139295278
I have looked into it. The rationalization of it has been poor.

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>>139295313
Parents punish their children because they love them. Same principle with governments

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>>139290400
>Turn your other cheek", BULLSHIT
For a thousand years Christians threw Muslims and Jews out of their societies, and banned homosexuality. It is the backbone of the freedoms and Western culture you enjoy today, at least what is left of it, and the negative things pol campaigns against are not a result of Christianity, they are a result of Marxist subversion. Anyone that tells you true Christians are happy to bend over and let Islam run all over their societies is a limp-wristed communist fuck that should be exiled. Jesus Christ is Lord, Hail the Risen King.

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>>139295062
>doesn't read the bible
>believes in a nihilistic system that never works
>hurr durr it's contradictory!

Rather than repeating the tired old line of;

>Christians! Justify and qualify your beliefs!

Ask the same of nasa, socialists and communists. Get them to explain in detail how their made up beliefs work, if you don't understand how banking/politics work in reality then watch some jt vids about it.

God is real, and he wants us to be good. Playing semantics doesn't change that.

>>139295365
>untrue things
To begin with it's impossible to prove or disprove God.

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>but the inquisition
>but witch hunts
>but destroying aztec temples and mosques
>but the crusades
>Catholics are pacifists obviously
Geez which one doesn't fit history?

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ETERNAL REMINDER

>>139289855

You're taking one tiny aspect of the religion and make it the whole.

The fact is that Jesus was referring to relations BETWEEN CHRISTIANS when he spoke of gentleness, etc. "When *a brother* sins against you..." etc. It has nothing whatsoever to do with relations with people you regard as non-Christian. I don't have to treat heresiarchs in this way, for example, no matter how much they profess to be christian. I treat openly homosexual Christians with utter contempt, for example, and I'm right to do so. They are a stumbling block for Christians suffering with homosexual lust. God hates such stumbling blocks, and they are to be hated.

And when he tells us to pray for those who persecute us, it's specifically in order to "heap coals upon their head" at the day of judgment. It's not practical advice, but spiritual advice. It's not to be taken literally, but spiritually.

I'm sorry that you can't accept the supernatural, but it's not my problem. God created water and the human body, it's not at all inconceivable that he could allow his Son to walk on water. If you're going to believe in God and the supernatural in the first place, these kinds of objections become absolutely farcical. You're doing the theological equivalent of "straining out a gnat while swallowing a camel".

>>139295008
The Arabs were starving to death and had already lost several battles against a Byzantine army that was very much alive and well, the Bulgars just finished the job.

>>139289855
Poor litteral anon.

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>>139290964
There is nothing to indicate actual physical violence against the money changers in the temple. Just that he made a scourge.

John 2:15
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

the bible says jesus didnt ever do anything violent one single time in his whole life

Isaiah 53:9
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

>No violence

the bible says god is love not god is mean. turn the other cheek means exactly what it says dont fight back. we are supposed to be nice and god says were not supposed to take revenge on people or be violent.

1 Peter 2:21-23
21For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Matthew 5:38-39
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

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>>139295419
I suggest looking into orthodoxy. You could read The Orthodox Church by Timothy Ware for starters. You could also pick up the Orthodox study bible to see some orthodox views on some of the passages you've maybe thought were goofy in the past. Or the passages that everyone uses out of context for whatever their anal lubin' ways come up with. I was a super hard fedora tipper in the past and I'm just trying to help even though you have a retarded commie flag that I hate.

>>139295365
He's wrong but there is a big difference between old and new testament. Jews basically ruined everything to put it extremely bluntly. They are not "the chosen people" as fags like to say. It's important to learn from the old testament though, there is tons of wisdom still there.

>>139295612
On the first day, god created light. On the fourth day, god created the sun. I have read the Bible - you assume far too much.

>>139295756
It is possible to prove or disprove whether or not the Jews were in Egypt, whether or not there was a King Herod, and what he may or may not have done, and whether or not a virgin can get pregnant. And if you can't prove it either way, that is the existence of a god, why is belief the default setting?

>>139295287
>>139295262

I already told you that "son of God" doesn't mean he's literally the biological son of god. Do I believe in Jesus's miracles? I don't know, I wasn't there to witness them. Does this mean that I'm not a christian? No, because I still try to follow the teachings of Christ in their purest meaning. The problem with you people is you come up with these retarded arbitrary boundaries for being a Christian, "If you're christian you must believe every single story in the bible at face value, Oh you don't believe in this physically impossible story, instead choosing to find a deeper meaning in it? Sorry you aren't a real Christian" instead of actually taking the time to learn what christianity is actually about. It's not as much as memorizing every line in them bible, as it is leading a life as Christ would have.

>>139295313
I already said that loving everyone unconditionally is bullshit. You can fight your enemies out of love for your family, or you could fight your enemies because you know that their path is self destructive, and stopping them is the best course of action for everyone. Both paths come from love.

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>>139289855
We had to create religion to separate ourselves from the animals. As Christianity goes away you all turn into degenerate animals.

>>139289855
I hate 99% of Christians, but the religion can be based in its most strictly orthodox interpretation.

>>139296359
I have looked into orthodoxy. It is the same bullshit rationalization, except the priests have beards. It is impossible to take any passage out of context, because many passages are vague or have the opposite meaning of another passage.

So if there is still wisdom in there, you have to pick and choose what is right and what is wrong? It seems like you just want to reinforce whatever beliefs you have maintained prior to reading any religious text.

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>>139296346
Isaiah 53:9
>And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, H2555 neither was any deceit in his mouth.

One shill keeps posting that this proves that Jesus never used the whips in the temple to physically drive out the (((money changers))) that he was just using it to scare them not actually physcially damage them. This is to prove that wrong by showing what the word means. "Violence" is the word "chamac" in hebrew it means "malicious intent" specifically. Strongs is H2555.

Chronicles 12
>And David went out to meet them, and answered and said unto them, If ye be come peaceably unto me to help me, mine heart shall be knit unto you: but if ye be come to betray me to mine enemies, SEEING THAT THERE IS NO VIOLENCE (H2555) IN MINE HANDS, the God of our fathers look thereon, and rebuke it.

- Note this is after David became King, long before hand he killed plenty of men, including Goliath (whose head he cut off for display); along with other brutal examples as seen below.

1 Samuel 18
> And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines. And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king's son in law: and the days were not expired.Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king.

1 Chronicles 11
>Eleazer was WITH DAVID at Pasdammim, and there the Philistines were gathered together to battle, where was a parcel of ground full of barley; and the people fled from before the Philistines.AND THEY set themselves in the midst of that parcel of land, and delivered it, AND SLEW THE PHILISTINES; and the Lord saved them by a great deliverance.

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Jesus is meek and gentle and hates violence

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Titus 3:2
To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

Proverbs 16:32
32 He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.

Psalm 11:5
The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.


Genesis 6:13
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Meek definition:
enduring injury with patience and without resentment : mild a meek child dominated by his brothers
:not violent or strong

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>>139296754
>>139296346
Genesis
>The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence (H2555)

Psalms
>The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence (H2555) his soul hateth.

Genesis
>And Sarai said unto Abram, My WRONG (H2555) be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.

Exodus
> Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an UNRIGHTEOUS (H2555) WITNESS.

Deuteronomy
> If a FALSE (H2555) WITNESS rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days...ect ect

Ezekiel
> Make a chain: for the land is full of BLOODY CRIMES, and the city is full of violence (H2555).

Joel
> Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence (H2555) against the children of Judah, because they have SHED INNOCENT BLOOD in their land.

Habbakuk
>Because thou hast spoiled many nations, all the remnant of the people shall spoil thee; because of MEN'S BLOOD (i.e. being shed profusely), and for the VIOLENCE (H2555) of the land, of the city, and of all that dwell therein.

Malachai
>For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence (H2555) with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that YE DEAL NOT TREACHEROUSLY.

Obediah
>For thy violence (H2555) against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever (genocided).
- Here the text says that this "violence" is betrayal against a benefactor and then murdering their innocents and selling the rest into sex slavery. Again it has to do with treachery and murder not righteous war.

>>139296359
>They are not "the chosen people" as fags like to say.

But they literally are. Romans 11 says "they are loved on account of the patriarchs" TO THIS VERY DAY.

I'm not saying you should like nation wrecking Marxist "Jews", but to hate those who remain faithful to the Law is to hate God himself.

>>139296477
If you do not believe that every story in the Bible is literal truth, then you can apply any sort of message that you want onto it. If god does not have divine powers, then him sacrificing himself for you does not mean anything. So why would all of the prior miracles be bullshit, but that one counts?

And you saying that this is not literal is just as arbitrary as me saying it is. You do not have any high ground here.

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>>139296857
>>139296346
wrong
>>139294748
>>139296754
>>139296921

>>139289855
>tipping this fucking hard
Euphoric/10

>>139296424
>light is the same thing as the sun and I only read the brand new easy to read translations where it calls things by names I know!

>>139290492
invert those
>>139289855
Well, you've gone from 12 to 13 so I'd expect someone your age to turn against religion at this point in your life.
>>139289978
Amen
>>139290181
Hello fellow Redditor! Did you see those posts on r/Atheism of late? Surely the madams of the future would have relished the chance to lay with such intellects as ours.
>>139294514
Then it is not an expansion.
Humanism is cancer because of it's hatred of humans.
It is so fucking easy to live for some dreamy ideal than the worthless fucking man who dreams it.
>Commie
Oh wait, you're retarded lol
>>139290599
>I will do nothing for him, too.
>he hasn't heard of the Macaw experiment

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>>139296754
meanwhile that passage in the king james says "no wrong in my hands "

1 Chronicles 12:17
And David went out to meet them, and answered and said unto them, If ye be come peaceably unto me to help me, mine heart shall be knit unto you: but if ye be come to betray me to mine enemies, seeing there is no wrong in mine hands, the God of our fathers look thereon, and rebuke it.

meanwhile the word of god said jesus didnt do anything violent and you dont believe it

>>139296649
No. Christianity is the box in which the last relics of our divine nature are held. Man is a fallen god. Christianity guards the only relics (metaphysical truths) which we can still carry with us.

>>139297138
When you get to make up definitions for words based on modern scientific understanding (despite how supposedly eternal your god is) you can come up with spurious reasons for lots of things.

>>139296731
Nope, it's the oldest church and as I already mentioned the orthodox study bible has explanations of all of this stuff. I know I'm some random dude but I'm telling you you're probably stuck on some protestant bullshit, because you'd be 100% right there.

>>139289855
>>139296477
What is kek saying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcf9CLMQuRQ

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Reminder that it was not people like Darwin that pushed for equality with subhumans and women. It was pushed by men that held Bibles and quoted scripture to push their agenda. They pushed the idea that all were "god's children" as an argument for "equality", race-mixing, and mass immigration. Then they went against nature's intents and artificially increased the subhuman population through charity and empathy rather then letting nature take it's course. Africa would not be on it's way to completely out breed Western civilization if it was not for all the welfare they receive.
As some say, Christianity is an inherently Communist Ideology.

>>139297183
Your belief is predicated upon the fact that all humans are inherently worthy of hell. You do not get to say that anyone else hates humans.

And there has never been a scientific experiment that confirms the power of prayer, I fucking assure you.

>>139289855
Fuck off muhammad.

>>139297345
>>When you get to make up definitions for words based on modern scientific understanding (despite how supposedly eternal your god is) you can come up with spurious reasons for lots of things.
>when you discover new meaning and the retards think you are making things up
>>139296424
By your reasoning, if The Sun were to disappear tomorrow then all the other stars would disappear too, and the lights wouldn't turn on, and the photons in all the universe would just magically disappear.
>>139296424
>why is belief the default setting?
Just because you are blind does not mean others can not see.
Please return to Plebville.

>>139289855
>What kind of moron would believe all this?
jews have been wondering this for thousands of years.

>>139290824
Not bad anon

>>139297010

John 8:37-39
John 8:44
Revalation 2:9
Revalation 3:9
2 John 9-11

And see my earlier picture of Chrysostom and read his homilies.

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>>139297090
>>139296921
>>139296754
if theyre the same exact word then why is the hebrew characters different?

it seems to me like one version means violence and the other means wrong

>>139297226
>jesus didnt do anything violent

Saying "Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees" is inherently violent, taking into consideration that Jesus was the Son of God and those words have meaning and ill intent.

Here he is cursing them with the mouth of God Himself, and you're quibbling over whipping some Jewish moneylenders trying to prove that he was a gentle little man after all.

Face it: Jesus is God, of both the Old and New Testaments: he is jealous, justly wrathful, hates sin and unrepentant sinners, and not above using violence to correct those whom he loves and destroy those whom he hates.

>>139295313
Correct.

>>139297545
>Your belief is predicated upon the fact that all humans are inherently worthy of hell
>your belief
You assume far too much.
>you can't critique humanism unless you are a humanist
I mean, that's retarded but k.
>you don't get to say that anyone else hates humans.
But... I do... and I will...
Humanists hate humans. It is that simple. that fact that you wont even let me speak about it attests to that lol.
>no scientific experiment that confirms the power of prayer
literally entry level psychology reveals the most basic power of prayer.
You are willfully ignorant.
>inb4 "NO U R IGNORANT RELIGUNTRD"
Just covering the flanks.

It's to show that God truly loves his people by having his most prized possesion, his son, go through the worst of society. Jesus was born to the lowest of the low and became a part of a low paying job. Even when people tried to kill him, he never acted like a complete dipshit. Jesus is the best example of humble

>>139289855
I know, all that and he couldn't stop a hurricane from striking Christland USA. It's a joke. Christians actually believe pain and suffering is good though, since it emulates their savior, so they're OK with it.

>>139296731
Orthodoxy is not too bad

https://mospat.ru/en/documents/social-concepts/ii/

I can't find much to disagree with on their stance on nationalism. They support blood and soil, which is enough for me.

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>>139297848
well then the bible was lying because you just accused Jesus of doing something violent

Isaiah 53:9
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

saying woe to the scribes i dont think means what you think it means where he was just a totally confrontational debator the whole bible talks about bridling your tongue

Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

James 1:19
Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

James 1:26
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

Proverbs 29:11
A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.

>>139297627
You clearly have not read any holy books. He separated day from night on the first day, which is meaningless unless there is a sun. And then, he created all of the celestial bodies on the fourth day, which produce light. So he created the Holy Lightbulb on the first day, and then just fucking chilled for a little bit?

In your response to the blind thing, I believe that you are a murderer. It must be true, because all belief is hereby validated by your stupid ass saying.

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>>139294111
>Condems organized religion
You catholic fag

>>139297745
>John 8:37-39
>>John 8:44

He was speaking here to specific individuals, not to all Jews everywhere. Irrelevant to this discussion.

>Revalation 2:9
>Revalation 3:9

Here he was speaking to specific churches facing specific persecution from specific Jews. Again, not all Jews generally. Romans 11 answers all of this, wherein god, through Paul the Apostle, says quite specifically that the Jews are not to be hated and the Gentiles are not to be arrogant toward what he calls "the natural branches" i.e. chosen people.

>2 John 9-11

I never said and would never advocate that Jews are right to reject their Messiah, but they are still "loved on account of the patriarchs", and you will still be cut off and thrown into the fire if you hate them or persecute them.

>Chrysostom and read his homilies

I will read them for interest, but they are not scripture and do not trump Romans 11.

/pol/ must repent of antisemitism. By all means hate nation wreckers of all kinds, but hating the Jews generally is a sin and God does not take it lightly.

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>>139289855
You are a faggot but God loves you anyway

>>139289855
The bible is just as much the old testament as the new, and when Jesus returns in Revelations he is anything but meek.

>>139297904
If humans are not inherently worthy of hell, then there was no point in Jesus dying for you.
No one suggested that you have to be a humanist to critique humanism. Your reading comprehension skills are poor, and you are creating straw man arguments because you suck at rhetoric.
Humanists do not hate humans. Your understanding of humanism is exceptionally poor.
Entry level psychology suggests that there is a benefit to maintaining status in a group, and a church can be one of them. Similarly, smoking pot produces happiness. These things are equivalent.

>>139297827
The characters are not different, the vowel pronciation change is very very slight, you need something more substantial than that to prove your point. And if you dont' then dont come back at all

>>139292090
I want to believe this but if you look at the numbers, Islam is Chad right now. Christianity will have a very hard time lasting another thousand years.

>>139298321
I ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS. STOP PRETENDING LIKE TIHS HASN"T BEEN DISCUSSED ABOVE ALREADY IN THE THREAD YOU STUPID CVCK

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>>139297827
>>139296754
BUt I did mistype Chamas, sorry.

>>139298404
I will look into this more I don't hate all jews anyways. I have some family that married into jews and they are conservatives and see the anti-white shit the same way. I'll have to look up some more stuff but I'm without the study bible i was mentioning earlier. I was under the impression Jesus wanted to convert the jews. He even had people preach among them first.

>>139297226
Except that its THE SAME WORD in hebrew

>>139298670
>humans are inherently sinful
they are
>you do not get to say
typical trash commie fascism.
>prayer
it's at minimun as good as meditation, but why are you requiring empirical evidence for something openly metaphysical? It's like you don't understand basic definitions.
>>139298670
Humanism is self-deification. All jews like you worship yourselves, it's your cringiest trait.
>humanists do not hate humans.
They hate 99% of them, other than the ones they don't worship or look up to.

Please God pass a judgement on this subhuman commie.

>>139297316
I was trying to simplify it. Basic words for basic people. You put me to shame though. When im right with God I (always) win, even when I lose.

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>>139297848
>trying to prove that he was a gentle little man after all.

The bible SAYS that Jesus was gentle. gentless is a fruit of the spirit

2 Corinthians 10:1
Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you:

being wrathful and angry is a fruit of the flesh

Galatians 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

>>139295445
The catholic church bring in refugees by the back door.

>>139289855
>tree hugger
Aren't you the epitome of "turn the other cheek"?

>>139298404
The jews you speak of here are not the seed of Abraham and have no difference to God than any other common atheist, they stand condemned before God..

>>139295073

>Mohammed
>Virgin

>Jesus
>Not a virgin

Christcucks make me want to throw up sometimes. This is your mind on religion.

>>139298355
>He separated day from night on the first day, which is meaningless unless there is a sun.
It means he created a non-void within void which means photons have a place to go when they are created.
>then just fucking chilled
He was making other things.
You then go on to make a false analogy.
>>139298670
>If humans are not inherently worthy of hell, then there was no point in Jesus dying for you.
To not go to hell does not mean one merits heaven.
The Bible speaks of a number of places and different parts of the afterlife. There is total annihilation, heaven, paradise, hell, valley of death, and "purgatory".
>no one suggested
You did, more so implied it, but even if you didn't then it's the same difference, that you are saying because someone is a Christian they couldn't critique humanism. Still dumb, senpai.
>you are creating strawman arguments because you suck at rhetoric
Strawmen are rhetoric. I'd be creating strawmen and using rhetoric if I was bad at arguments. Speaking of arguments I see no formal syllogisms here AT ALL.
>Humanists do not hate humans
yet they always despise religious men, moral men, wholesome men, restrained men, disciplined men, is it really such a stretch to presume they just hate men altogether??
You do realize humanism's main proponents despised the long history of men (civilized men) and uphold a non-existent history of men (the noble savage). Think Rousseau.
>these things are equivalent
Maybe, but probably not. I thought we were talking about prayer?
You aren't talking to me, you are talking to your perception of me, which is a caricature of me the archetypal "sheep", at least that is my analysis based upon your posts.
Correct me if I am wrong.

>>139300396
The Law of Sin and Death vs. The law of Spirit and Life
It really is beautiful.

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>>139300396
Meek in greek does not mean what you think it does you flaming homosexual

>>139300079
>they are
Then you hate people.
>Typical blah blah blah
Logically, what you said was totally incoherent. Your argument is inconsistent
>Openly metaphysical
You are moving the goal posts here. There was no point in invoking entry level psychology if you do not believe in empiricism. Say that argument is fallacious, or you have no integrity. And it would be fine if you had suggested from the start that meditation was good, but you have conceded that point, so you are left with no recourse but to change it.

I understand the definition perfectly fine, what I do not understand is how you got to be so fucking stupid.

Humanism is not self-deification. It is the radical notion that humans are worthy of respect, and are allowed to have dignity. Humanists have been at the forefront of every single movement to empower human beings, unlike religious people.
>le cringe XDDD
Ok, so I am talking to a 12 year old. Nice.

>please god pass a (sic) judgment on blah blah blah
Which god? Be specific.

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>>139300946
first of all it says meekness and gentleness so one way or another you have to be gentle

but meek means this

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/meek
Meek definition:
enduring injury with patience and without resentment : mild a meek child dominated by his brothers
:not violent or strong


_________

deal with it /pol/ hates that because they want to be violent strong wrathful dues vulters but the bible condemns that

its ungodly and fleshly

you want to be like the muslims when christians are supposed to be the opposite

Hijacking this thread, I am going to start RCIA In a few years converting from judaism to catholicism, I have a few questions.
1. Is it a mortal sin to miss mass if you live a 1 hour drive away from any church
2. How long is the RCIA process?
please be serious anon

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>>139301243
>Humanists have been at the forefront of every single movement to empower human beings, unlike religious people.

I think you're missing on some vital information on even some of the shittier churches out there. I could give many examples but a big one around when Henry VIII wanted a divorce and started seizing Catholic churches. The poor who were being helped by the churches were part of the huge peasant revolt against him. "Humanists" are just nihilistic retards and commie jews filling water into a leaky bucket at best.

>>139289855
I feel you bro.

I despise Christians. When I hear about my people attacking them I laugh.

>>139301299
>koine Greek of the new testament written around 2000 years ago can be summarized by the merriam webster dictionary and my retarded pictures show you how smart I am

Go bend over in a refugee camp

>>139289855
Take the pagan pill

>>139300799
>he created non-void within void
No, he created light. This interpretation has no correlation with the book of Genesis. You are creating a hole just big enough for your shitty rationalization to fit through.
>he was making other things
That is fine. Day and night do not have any meaning unless there is a Sun, and the Earth rotates.
>to not go to hell does not mean that one merits heaven
That is fine. Jesus died for our sins. That means that we have to have sinned, which means we are inherently bad. You can point to all of the other things that you want, but it does not matter.
>You implied it
It just seems wildly hypocritical to say that humans are inherently worthy of everlasting torment, and then go on about how someone else hates humans.
>strawman
You are bad at arguments, there is no if and or but. If you fail to see any poor reasoning, then you do not understand reasoning.
>they despise
No, they dislike hypocritical people, but I would not say that they hate them. And I fail to see any connection between religious people and 'good' people. Yes, it is a wild stretch to say that they hate men altogether. I am thinking Rousseau, and I do not see any separation of religious thinking with the idea of a noble savage. A god created man - this man is by his nature close to that god. Hell, the first man of your religious text did not even know about good and evil. Religion has far more noble savages than humanism does, and there is no association of humanism with Whig history, or anything like that. What on earth are you talking about?
I am talking about prayer, and the falsely applied positives you are erroneously attaching to it. Your arguments are wildly inconsistent.

I am 100% talking to you. Talking to an archetype is like prayer, in that its functions are limited.

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>>139301990
>/pol/ has extrapolated turning the other cheek to importing millions of muslims into your country as equivalent

truly the biggest cucks and changers of gods words

i feel bad for them for falling for that bullshit

meanwhile when this country was 100% christian the blacks were seperated and the women were not seen as equal

-________- LEL. it was 100x more conservative back when this country was christian and you try to say this bullshit

>>139293536


I agree you are not blue pilled.. you are jew pilled. The world is not what you think. The bible tells us what and how the world is/came to be.

You are just blinded by jew science and jew media to be atheist. Funny how universals logo starting in 1923 was of a globular earth when they had NO CONFIRMATION of this until NASA went to the moon in 1969.

lets look at a couple things...
* earth is on a 23.4 degree tilt, leaving 66.6 from a 90 degree angle.. hmm, 666
* earth curves at 8 inches per mile squared, or another way of saying 66.6% of a foot
* earths speed around the sun is 66,600 mph... 666 again... hmmm
* humans are carbon based life forms or in other words.. 6 protons, 6 neutrons, and 6 electrons.. hmmmmmm

dont believe in christ or any religion, idc. but dont act like you know the real answer that the jews want to you believe to be true, its not

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>>139301763
And I could point out a million more cases where the church as an institution did terrible things. Its entire existence in the middle ages was based off of the siphoning of wealth from the poorer classes. The church could not have helped anyone without first expropriating their wealth.

>blah blah blah humanists
Name a humanist. Go.

>>139289855
Forgiveness is a strong virtue to have

Communists, socialists, and all other sorts of degenerates are almost all broken in some way or another. You have to be open and willing to forgive their misguided ways rather than use violence as your first tool.

You're right anon, it's bollocks. All religious texts are cos science.
Still think that morally, the 10 commandments are a good starting point and nutritious food for thought though.

>>139289855
>The meekness of it and the sheer stupidity of it. "Turn your other cheek", BULLSHIT.
That's what I mind most about it. If people would understand that Christianity isn't the largest religion of the world because it was so meek but because they fucking converted the shit out of everyone.
As a cultural brace that keeps Europe together it's quite useful. But the current pope is such a disgusting swine. Hope he gets killed by lightning.

>>139301243
>you hate people
I take it you concede that all humanists hate 99% of men since you didnt offer a counter. I personally hate the sin, love the person as best i can, and embrace my brothers in Christ who repent. I give no house to sin.
>basic definitions
>what is prayer derp
You're having a hard time here. I assumed you knew what empirical and metaphysical was, apparently not. Or maybe you just judge prayer on your past unanswered prayers, who knows when you debate such an immoral and unknowledgeable "person" who can't even track who he's responding to.
>humanists don't self-deifify
You openly worship yourself though. And you just invalidated your claim that you don't hate all people by hating the faithful men and women responsible for Western Christendoms founding and generous contribution of the majority of human knowledge.
>which god
The one with a capital 'G' that you yourself probably rejected last year when you turned 14 kid.

>>139302429
I am not against Christianity I am against it's subversion. I am researching Orthodox and attempting to understand Greek translations of things because it is actively getting dumbed down and complete meanings are being changed.

>>139302981
>the Ten Commandments
...what? It isn't a good starting point. It is from the vantage point of a jealous divine being, and fails to mention things like rape. Hell, it is broken within the same fucking book (thou shalt not kill) and the act of killing is considered good.

>>139302799
>You have to be open and willing to forgive their misguided ways rather than use violence as your first tool.

This. A lot of Christians misunderstand this as "never using violence", though

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>>139302587
Nice

>>139302609
Catholic church and others. Notice how I referred to them as "shittier churches" and I keep shilling for orthodoxy.

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>>139301299
ACTUALLY,

>>139294748
Meek is used as a PRIME EXAMPLE OF BEING A SOLDIER. BY THE DISCIPLE OF PAUL AND PETER

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>>139301337
1. It's nota sin if it's a genuine transportation issue. That's understandable. It's a mortal sin if you know better and it's deliberate and it is witin your power to get to easily.
2. About a year

>>139303416
From what I understand the greek word used for "meek" is more akin to some kind of trained war horse but I am still learning.

>>139303196
I wish I remembered well enough to tell you exactly where to look to find the answers for what you are seeking because I used to be a lot like that as little as two years ago and I was completely wrong.

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>>139303416
someone makes a elaborate picture all based off being mean and wrathful and angry and violent

all which are works of the flesh

because they are violent men

its sad to see them try to justify it

because they dont have the self controlled

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>>139289855
Remember, there's a part where Jesus fashions a whip and beats the shit out of the Jewish money lenders for being in the temple.

>>139302429
Blacks ARNE'T equal. they're BEASTS, all non whites aren't human

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>>139303968
no there isnt >>139296346

>>139303097
It was so fatuous that I did not believe I had to counter, but hatred of men would go against the belief that humans are worthy of respect. I had mentioned that before, but I failed to recognize how shitty your attention span was.

I am well aware of what empirical and metaphysical is. I was responding to a post in which entry level psychology was mentioned. Psychology is an observable science. Because you failed to disavow that, I believed that you wished to continue that trend. No one mentioned past unanswered prayers. There is no proof that prayer is even remotely effective in changing the material state of the world. Is that true, or false? Any other benefits exist within the six or so inches between your temples, and nowhere else.

>you openly worship yourself
You have made the term worship so broad as to stretch its meaning beyond its limits. Do people worship the Miami Dolphins? Do people worship their brides? Nowhere did I say that I hated religious people. And I do not believe that I have the power of any god.

The fact that religion 'contributed' to human knowledge was more or less a function of them being wealthy in the past, which had a lot to do with their efficacy in taking money away from laboring people. And the church's contribution was highly exaggerated.

You capitalize it? I did not know I was talking to a Jew. Shalom.

>>139301337
The pope is illegitimate consider Orthodoxy. There have been some good popes in the past but that doesn't make the position any better.

>>139303946
THAT
SPACING
What
is
this
FUCKING
HAIKU
?
!

>>139301337
Nice to hear you've been gifted with faith anon.
1. Missing church regularly is sinful. You should go and be around your brothers in Christ. The church is the bride of Christ. Would you attend a party when the invite was for you, but it said to leave your wife at home cuz they hate her?
2. Dunno, i'm not catholic, but i have an ethnic jewish lady at my Baptist church who says she basically found her faith in Christ all at once and got to know him by lurking the Bible study groups and reading scripture. I think the process the catholics use is a remedial course and would amount to how much knowledge of scripture you have. Good luck, you'll be hated, but blessed are ghe persecuted.

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>>139303887
Meek meant to submit to the proper authority and know your place in society.

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>>139303946
Go back to plebbit and take your shitty 3d waifu with you. 3D is for shit. Pleb

>>139302522
Note this poster is an atheist subverter trying to discredit while desperate for you's.

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>>139289855

WE WUZ ROMANZ AND SHIT

>>139304258
Aha so if that's true then I was kind of thinking the right thing anyways. People now just say meek and everyone seems to think of pathetic wretch or something I don't even know any more. That and everything else was so pathetic it's part of why I turned away from religion for 10 years and am only now finding my way back after discovering so many were wrong.

>>139289855
You sound like a filthy Jew shill trying to destroy eurocentric culture with the ultimate goal of white genocide through nigger fucking

>>139304602
Meek and kindness (helpfullnes) both have been subverted

>>139304258
>>139304602
Except about the pope. The current position of the pope I cannot get behind. Councils of bishops etc and if the pope were a "first among equals" position it would be fine but not the way it has become.

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>>139304258
>>139304602
>>139304774

https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/dictionary-of-bible-themes/8305-meekness

MEEKNESS

An attitude of humble, submissive and expectant trust in God, and a loving, patient and gentle attitude towards others.

i mean just go off any definition in any dictionary. it means something that is all throughout the fruits of the spirit. theres no way around being nice and gentle and loving to people thats what the bible expects.

you cant just change it to mean the opposite of what it means

is that pathetic? was jesus pathetic when he died and didnt say a word and refused to defend himself as a lamb

no. the problem is you wanting to be a violent man.

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>>139304956
>biblegateway
HOW ABOUT SOMEONE WHO WAS TAUGHT BY PAUL AND PETER

DISCIPLE OF PAUL AND PETER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shitty protestant website 2000 years after he died

>>139304952
The Pope is the vicar to Christ, it is a kingly throne, and remember just because High Priest Caiaphas crucified the Lord Jesus, it doesn't mean he was no longer high priest, God still regcognized his position and still recognized the authority of his office, as corrupt as he was. Also Jesus said I give to THEE the keys o fthe Kingdom of heaven, not to the disples, PETER. ANd he said THOU art Peter and upon TIHS rock I shall build by rock, again SINGULAR

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>>139290824
Terrific post, thanks anon

>>139304956
Nope a few posts ago you were posting cuck definitions from merriam webster... fuck off

>>139304774
Thank you for the additional info I'll go over it further later. I'm off for now I need to get some reading in before sleep.

>>139289855
Buy a sword nigga

>>139305407
>ye merry gentlemen
Ye is plural. Thou and thee are SINGULAR

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>>139305461
good night anon

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>>139305407
oh so youre a catholic so its no wonder you constantly advocate violence

just stop posting those images where you change the word of god to mean the opposite because it does damage to yourself and other people


>>139305461
use any definition i thought i was being more fair by going off a more biblical definition

theyre all cucky. but its not a bad thing

jesus said if someone asks for something give to them and dont even ask for it back

thats allowing yourself to be taken advantage of and run over in this life a clear principle of jesus which nobody cares about because they think thats "weak"

>>139304044
>humanists don't hate all men
Just the religious empowered. You pretend to pity the poor when they'd be the first to die in your commie utopia.
>prayer
>there is no empirical proof
You have literally proven me right. You truly dont understand basic definitions. Saying "I need empirical proof of something entirely metaphysical" just makes you sound like an uneducated child. You are 18+ right kid?
>worship
You have no doubt many false idols. None as big as yourself though.
>i dont hate
You clearly do. Dont pretend you are unique among teenaged nu-atheists. You wear your contempt and hatred for 99% of humanity on your sleave.
>history denial
I can't make you read now can I?
>jew
Most atheists like you on /pol/ are jews. There is little difference. Calling Christians jews is sad though, it must hurt you just a little bit to do that.

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>>139289855
thats what was supposed to work if the jews didnt kill christ and proceed to fuck the whole world
when our enemies are burning in hell, then we can be all nice

>>139289855
Uncivil hatred of humanity, the forgiveness schtick they got going is just an excuse to mindlessly police behavior according to bitch-minded sentiments.

Christcucks are a bunch of pussy fags who couldn't handle how hardcore Judaism was so they made a shitty great value brand of Judaism.

>>139306531
Also true.

>>139295259
It's fan fiction.

I don't think it's possible to be red pilled and be a Christian. There is too much anger that comes with the red-pilling. Too much anger at all that is unjust. It's impossible to find faith in a higher power to see us through this.

>>139289855
Explain it without using the Bible as your source.

>>139289855
Turn the other cheek is for your community. This is the sense I get when I consider The Bible as a whole (reading more than just a few lines here and there, reading entire books etc.)

"Turn the other cheek" is meant to inspire. It's meant to make your community better. If your brother wants to hit you, let him. Show him the futility of it. But if your brother does not change, "treat him like an outsider" The Bible will tell you.

Islam is not going to change from us "turning the other cheek." They are foreign invaders. God appointed men like David to protect his nation, and David killed hundreds.

If a wolf bit your cheek would you turn the other also? Of course not. The wolf won't understand what it did wrong. Islam is a pack of wolves, and we must be like Lions and remind them.

Not only that, but Christianity is the latest fad. It's funny how it suddenly became the religion du jour and if you were not in the club, you could get killed for it. The fact is that humans thrive in groups/clubs and some of them choose religion as the charter of their group membership. It's also hilarious how there's a hierarchy of leadership--man as a mammal can't deviate that far off from its biological imperative. Almost everything he does, regardless of how dumb or smart it may seem, is an expression of the attachment he has towards fulfilling his natural needs.

>>139307454
Reality and knowledge of current year truths doesn't dictate atheism or preclude you from loving Christ. It's a lot easier to know your brothers in Christ are absolutely with you, while the atheists from from both sides are absolutely against you. I think it's the other way around: You can't be red pilled without Christianity. Not only are you a jew for denying Christ, but you ally with everybody you claim to hate (sodomites feminists muslims) in tearing down the church aka the core of the western world.

>>139307454
On the contrary. Dealing with injustice all around you is a central theme of The Bible.

Read The Bible and you'll see how related to /pol/ it is in feeling. The writers knew how fucked the human race was. When you are redpilled, that's when you realize God is a necessity. Humanity doesn't work without it.

>>139308068
Yep, I agree, it's for your brother in Christ. Letting evil run roughshod over family and homeland isnt the intent. That's why they've destroyed any community bond that was gained through the church and knowing your neighbors.

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>>139289855

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>>139289855
Christianity is anti white.

I've never understood how Nazi's could be jew loving chritfags. If you fly a nazi flag and worship a jew, you are conflicted as fuck. Get a better religion with better symbols [like Buddhism, Aryan religion and uses the swastika]
Jesus was a jew that stole the teaching of someone else- he wasn't a good teacher, he was a good thief.

>>139308998
*tips*
>>139308345
>i'm so above it all

>>139309107
White cucks worshiping a jew X'D

>>139289855
Just become Luciferian.
That sounds right up your alley already anyways ;)

Read mysteries and deceptions of the bible - Its all symbolic

>>139309107
I see no reason to hold Moses, Jesus, or any Jewish prophet as holy, and my ancestors never worshipped Jews, they crucified and enslaved them.

>>139309502
Satabism is Jewish.

>>139309225
You are a jew for denying Christ anon.
>>139309107
Christians are the only whites that get married and stay that way and have big families.

>>139304128
Thank you!
>>139303858
So If I'm about a hour drive away from the church in jerusalem is it a mortal sin or not?
I didn't quite get you

>>139309551
They arent good for me nor true therefore Abraham is not my father.

>>139309225
Because Jesus talked a lot of shit about corrupt elitist Jews, nigger.

Honestly, Jesus gave us a lot of redpills about Jews 2000 years ago and they all still apply today.

He told Jews usury was a sin (handing out loans with interest)

He told Jews to stop lying about people and spreading false gossip (modern day MSM).

But eh, whatever, I'm pretty sure you have your mind made up.

>hurr durr he was a Jew, we hate all Jews, right guys hehehehe

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>>139289855

how does this sound to you then, goy

>>139309663
>christians ate the only whites
If whites werent christians but simply waiting for a positive faith then their nature would not change, most of "christianity" is traditional European non Abrahamic culture.

>>139309551
WE

>>139309886
WUZ

i am god. i imagine what i can do.
this is entertaining.
- the reminder you put here.

>>139309276

how is he fedora'ing if he's stressing that God still exists but Christianity was a deception?

>139309276
>>i'm so above it all

You have to be. 'It' is replaced eventually by something else and 'it' always has retarded cultish elements. There's no harm in refusing to be part of 'it', especially when you are part of another 'it', as we all are. I am in the apathetic 'it'.

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>>139309963
>It's not atheism GAAWWSH

>I believe in Marvel superheroes.

>>139293393

If you legitimately think many christians don't treat the bible as literal world history, then you're in more denial than you realise.

>>139310089
I dont worship many Gods, I am monotheist, if you were a true Jew you would not celebrate christmas or hal

>>139309924
KANGS

>>139289855
You're growing dumber.

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>>139305765
This is the guy who is CALLED BY PAUL IN THE BIBLE AS A MAN THAT HE TRUSTS, THIS IS BEYOND DENOMINATION

>>139310159
I see no reason to worship a book of non whites.

>>139310450
I have my own faith of salvation.

>>139310271
Of course Jews hate Christ.

He was red-pilling people on Jews.

That's why the Jews had to kill Him.

>>139309770
I didn't say anything about hating all jews, I just think worshiping one is the pinnacle of irony, although I do concede that you made good points about Jesus talking shit about corrupt elitist Jews.

We're never going to do away with Muslim Fundamentalism if we can't even do away with Christian Fundamentalism (that's been exposed to the Enlightenment for hundreds of years). Stop LARPing.

>>139310825
My bad b

>>139310733
Jesus is a Jew.

>>139309502
Satanism is a troll religion created by skeptics to fuck with Christfags via the constitution, don't be a dunce, it's not the opposite of the Judeo-Christian religion.

>>139310906
Yes He was.

I don't hate all Jews.

>>139289855
You're just going through a faze like an emo kid who grows out of it if you don't give up

>>139290599
You already do nothing. Praying would actually be doing something useful.

>>139309663
I'm a jew for denouncing Jewry? Sounds like an advanced type of jewry you're trying to pull here.

>>139311041
I dont vare what you hate, you have a religion of non europeans and you worship a non european thus have nothing to do with europe.

>>139311022
Except some people do ironically start sacrificing babies and making deals with unclean spirits, trading their souls for earthly wealth and fame or power.

Here's a video about unironic satanic jews in the USA (and they are prominent families).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFVHqp4CdHQ

>>139309696
all sins leads to death, sin is sin when you want perfection so what are you even on about talking about "mortal sin"?

also: catholics are satanic, just read a bible if you are interested in faith.

>>139311041
You just worship one.

>>139311041
You want me to worship a Jew, hold Jews as holy, Jewish culture and history superior to.my own, and Jewish heritage as superior, I habe my own faith that involves none of that.

>>139309818
Jews are 99% atheist. The ones who claim Judaism are just deists. None of them even believe Noah existed. They are irreligious Talmudists.

>>139311242
That's the point I'm making. Why do you not accept the Aryan religion of Buddhism, people?

>>139311242
Christianity has a lot to do with the growth and spirit of Europe though.

I mean, the pagan Europeans were basically living in mud huts, having gay orgies, sacrificing their own, and cannibalizing on them. Literal nigger tier.

>>139289855
Why is it that when you fags preach your bullshit against Christianity the only thing you can ever mention is "turn the other cheek!" For fucks sake try reading the Bible and stop being a fucking cuck

>>139311288
You weren't alive in the 80s were you?

Hint:
It was bullshit. These are people who thought D&D brought upon a portal to hell, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse

>>139311556
Because I seek the truth and it lead me to the bible and not a "you can save yourself, lol" buddhism, it seems narcissistic and satanic to me

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>>139311575
Christianity has 0 to do.with Europe, Europe ctucified and banned the semitic desert cults.

>>139290824

>Love is stronger than hate, because love is good.

Im not a big fan of hating things without good reason or anything, but the fact that someone unironically typed out such a trite and platitudinous statement as a defense of their worldview actually upsets me a little.

>>139311575
That's a bunch of nigger lies. Europe was for more civil at the time of Christ than Israel was, the Roman empire was already vast and great, don't give me that shit that all whites were on nigger tier shit. Ironically the Germans were the ones on that type of shit.

>>139311575
Christianity dragged Europe down. It was the Enlightenment that brought growth and spirit to Europe. Christianity was the Dark Ages and Sunni/Shia infighting. Also, pretty much anybody who wasn't brainwashed with it, knows it's garbage.

>>139311746
Semitic Desert cults invaded and plagued Europe from the fall of rome till today, approximately 1,000 years or so.

>>139311610
Because a bastardized version of that injunction is used to justify inaction in the face of all the violence unbridled immigration brings to your countries.

Cherrypicking commandments is how the radicalized left that surged in the 60s has manipulated Christians so far.

>>139311873
Catholics are satanic so don't consider them a part of it
the dark ages are misunderstood and with a lot of propaganda on top

>>139311873
Exactly, the Enlightenment is where our civilization's ideology came from, not from the illiterate scribblings of idiotic desert tribes.

>>139311398
Jesus said a parable that seemed to suggest Jews were no longer the Chosen people (another reason Jews hate Him).

It was the wedding banquet parable. Basically, God prepared a great big feast, but the original people He had invited to come and enjoy the splendor would not be making it any longer, so He's going out to find others that will take their vacant spots.

Jews were the ones that were originally invited, but will no longer be in attendance.

I do believe the spirit of God found European Christians instead.

That's the great big plot twist of the Bible. The Jews are the evil ones now. (Not all, just the ones that refuse Christ and curse His name). That's why Jews don't like the New Testament.

>>139311950
The dark ages lasted until.the Goyim.snappped out of semitic worship and started their own culture and continuation of greco rome non abrahamic pagan culture.

>>139312071
If God is all knowing, how is that he just, 'finds' them at some point? He either knows everything and it's going according to his plan, or he's not god.

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>>139289855
The ancients believed that religion is indissolubly related to the race and ethnicity of a people. Once an individual, family, clan, tribe or nation divorces itself from the foundation religion of their ancestors they face the prospect of initially a loss of identity and then ultimately extermination as a distinct sociobiological entity… The christianisation of the northern European peoples resulted in a gradual loss of racial consciousness which followed an inversion of their spiritual values and a suppression of their beliefs. Today the Germanic and Celtic peoples of Britain are experiencing anomie, a lack of values and norms. Feeling cut off from their spiritual and cultural roots many of them turn to alcohol, drug addiction, gambling and vice as a palliative cure for their feelings of rootlessness.
The adoption of Christianity at the point of the sword and the fire brand has caused Aryan man to adopt a set of anti-values which denigrate the hierarchical nature of human society which is a reflection of nature. False ideals of humanitarianism, `democracy` and equality have psychologically weakened the Aryan peoples so that they now lack the will to resist the genocide that awaits them perpetrated by the alien and semitic religions of Christianity, Islam and Judaism. The adherence to a universalist religion which denies the validity and primacy of race and ethnicity is a form of race treason.
Only by responding to the call of the blood will we as a race deliver ourselves from the disaster which awaits us as a race.

Wotan’s Krieger, “Religion–A Question of Race and Identity”

Germans and Celts unite against the Christian/Progressive horde

>>139311170
You deny Christ, ipso facto you arre a jew. You say this denial with spit flying out of your mouth like a jew. You team up with jews against Christians to destroy the church which is the centralized heart of the west, you team up with all your other marxist allies the sjw, the sodomite, the liberals to attack the west.

You are a jew and an enemy of every western man.

>>139311746
WE WUZ ROMANS N SHEEIT.

"Europeans" were druids back then. Literal white niggers before Christianity uprooted them and made them into a real empire. Christianity is the white man's religion. Europe, USA, and even Russia became huge because of Christianity.

Romans weren't white. They were some sort of Middle-Eastern ad-mixture.

>>139312208
Many of them are just LARPing. They know it's bullshit. They just want pre-packaged meaning, even if it's bullshit.

>>139312373
> Christianity is the white man's religion.
Lol, no.

>>139312208
What's to say this is not His plan?

When I say the spirit "found" us, it's not what you are thinking I mean.

More like "I find these people favorable now. Jews lost their way."

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>>139312357
Christianity - and this is its greatest merit - has somewhat mitigated that brutal Germanic love of war, but it could not destroy it. Should that subduing talisman, the cross, be shattered, the frenzied madness of the ancient warriors, that insane Berserk rage of which Nordic bards have spoken and sung so often, will once more burst into flame. This talisman is fragile, and the day will come when it will collapse miserably. Then the ancient stony gods will rise from the forgotten debris and rub the dust of a thousand years from their eyes, and finally Thor with his giant hammer will jump up and smash the Gothic cathedrals. … Do not smile at the visionary who anticipates the same revolution in the realm of the visible as has taken place in the spiritual. Thought precedes action as lightning precedes thunder. German thunder is of true German character: it is not very nimble, but rumbles along somewhat slowly. But come it will, and when ye hear a crashing such as never before has been heard in the world’s history, then know that at last the German thunderbolt has fallen. At this commotion the eagles will drop dead from the skies and the lions in the farthest wastes of Africa will bite their tails and creep into their royal lairs. There will be played in Germany a drama compared to which the French Revolution will seem but an innocent idyll. At present, it is true, everything is tolerably quiet; and though here and there some few men create a little stir, do not imagine these are to be the real actors in the piece. They are only little curs chasing one another round the empty arena, barking and snapping at one another, till the appointed hour when the troop of gladiators appear to fight for life and death.
And the hour will come. As on the steps of an amphitheater, the nations will group themselves around Germany to witness the terrible combat.
— Heinrich Heine, Religion and Philosophy in Germany: A Fragment

>>139293643
Christian means "little Christ"

>>139312514
Look at you, denying when whites actually were the leaders of the world and going back to roman times, because tanned guys with black hair and brown eyes are Aryans, right?

WE WUZ ROMANS N SHEEIT

Let's ignore the time Aryans were ACTUALLY KINGS underneath a Christian template.

>>139312373
Yes, the USA.is a pefect reason why Christianity must be eradicated, completely culturally mongrelized abomination easily controlled by Jews.

>>139289855
I just know that if i dont obey the law, fuck up on purpose or be a criminal i get into shit loads of trouble. Of course i can interpret a god into this but deep down i know its my fellow men that would execute me straight forward and not some invisible force. So i better be a good boy that behaves and promotes good values rather than being a degenerate nigger. Therefore i can just go along and believe in the jew as he teaches to be a good boy, so its ok.

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>>139312578
When, for instance, the belief in the God Wotan vanished and nobody thought of him anymore, the phenomenon originally called Wotan remained; nothing changed but its name, as National Socialism has demonstrated on a grand scale. A collective movement consists of millions of individuals, each of whom shows the symptoms of Wotanism and proves thereby that Wotan in reality never died, but has retained his original vitality and autonomy. Our consciousness only imagines that it has lost its Gods; in reality they are still there and it only needs a certain general condition in order to bring them back in full force.
— Carl Jung, letter to Miguel Serrano

>>139312527
There's no freewill with an all-knowing God. If God is all-knowing he knew your end-fate BEFORE he created you when he could have created you differently or not at all (and he then created you as such). Your end-fate was decided BEFORE you were ever created, by him. Freewill in compatible with an all-knowing God. Learn critical thinking.

>>139312418
You're the one LARPing in your denial. You know perfectly well what I meant.

>>139312743
You can't blame Christianity for what is happening today. We are mostly a nation of atheists now. We have been for at least a few generations now.

Christianity serviced this nation very well. It was the reason the puritans even migrated here in the first place. Christian thought is what separated the Europeans from the Indian savages here and led them to kill them all. Until the 1950s, America was GREAT. We're all atheists now, and we're depressed as our nation is falling apart.

Coincidence?

Christianity is so fucking gay
we need a white religion, atheism is not the answer. Atheism and Christianity are two sides of the same jewish coin.

>>139312761
Being all knowing and creating something with free will are not mutually exclusive.

You're the one that needs to learn critical thinking.

Imagine a powerful being that creates something and gives it free will. Now this same powerful being has the ability to look into the future to see what it will do.

There are actually no contradictions here at all.

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>>139312759
>>139312578
>>139312357
"For the ancient Nordics, racial purity was regarded as sacred. A Nordic woman bearing the child of a foreigner faced punishment by death, for women were the repositories of the racial spirit or soul and miscegenation meant racial death.
Roman historians such as Tacitus observed that the Germanic women would sooner perish than be taken captive by Roman or foreign soldiers. Tacitus in Germania said "I accept the view that the peoples of Germania have never been tainted by intermarriage with other peoples, and stand out as a nation, peculiar, pure and unique of its kind".[52]

>>139312989
The puritans had nothing, only post retutn.to greco ronan non abraham did a semblance of civilization exist, the muslims eradicated the christian mind poison and it was great for them.

>>139312065
>>139312132
>>139312036
>>139311873
>the Dark ages is a real thing that actually happened
>European culture didnt exist until the 1700's
Are (((atheists))) this uneducated or just this desperate?

>>139313183
Only through the immigration of non puritan enlightened Europeans did civilization begin to form in the US.

>>139290824
>Jesus gave his sermons during a time before mass communication and globalization, so this whole hippy shit of "love everyone unconditionally" is bullshit

If your god isn't omnipotent, is it really a god?

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>>139313178
>>139312759
>>139312578
>>139312357
More recently Sarich and Miele, although multiracialists themselves, have given a concise summary of the racialist solidarist perspective, intermarriage is an act of race war. Every ovum that is impregnated by the sperm of a member of a different race is one less of that precious commodity to be impregnated by a member of its own race and thereby ensure its survival". With contempt for his/her race the miscegenating individual seeks to end his/her racial family line. This is worse than murder: it is genocide. [55] It is time to return to the racial philosophy of the ancient Germans. [56]

>>139312418
>>139312578
Single Parent Household huh.

>>139312989
The founders were largely theological liberals which is as close to Atheist as you could go at the time. Jefferson cut out the Resurrection and other "miracles" from his Buybull.

>>139313183
Early America was Christian. The puritans were Christians. I'm not even going to debate this. I've read books by Puritan authors. Their society was deeply Christian, and early America in general was deeply Christian. America's foundation was built on Christian values. So was Europe.

Romans were not whites. Rome wasn't even a good place to live. Actual white people were nigger-tier before they became Christians.

>>139289855
I believe in a higher power.

I just don't have faith in it.

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>>139313449
I'm Polish so nah. I just thought I would post some interesting quotes before bed.

>>139313564
Early America was not civilized.

>>139313140
He knew what their end-fate was BEFORE he created them (and he could have created them differently or not at all). Remember God hated god hated Esau before he was even born.

>>139313444
Sause?? T. H I CC

>>139313673
Puritan towns were very civilized.
If you headed out into the untamed West, yes, you get shit, but no, early Puritanical towns had schools, proper ladies, everyone was nicely dressed, etc. I mean I've read books by Puritan authors and I've seen illustrations of what it all was like. America was built on Christian foundations.

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>>139313786
No idea m8. Night!

>>139290599
>it is up to you to ignore the facets of your ideology you don't like in what is literally the fundamentals that it is founded upon, so you can always rationalize your shitty behavior

Cute, coming from a commie.

>>139313883
>early puritan towns had schools
No, they just read the bible and lynched people.

>>139313883
Jefferson cut out the Resurrection from his Buybull. The Enlightenment dragged Christianity kicking and screaming.

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>>139289855
GOY NO!!!
CHRISTIANITY IS BASED , TRUST ME!
Dead kik- I MEAN JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD GOY

>>139313178
>For the ancient Nordics, racial purity was regarded as sacred. A Nordic woman bearing the child of a foreigner faced punishment by death, for women were the repositories of the racial spirit or soul and miscegenation meant racial death.
nordics were truly based in the past, too bad they let themselves be fooled by jews, niggers, spics and muslims

>>139313684
I'm not seeing any contradictions here.

If God created something in a fair way and it decided to be bad, should God necessarily tweak the design? Why? If He predisposes you to be good, you are like an android. You might as well not have any free will and be like a robot. He created things in a fair way and gave them free-will. The fact that He can see the future and see Himself being displeased with His creation's choices are not contradictory. It just means we don't understand God, nor do we see things as He does.

>>139313444
who wears makeup when they are exercising?

>>139313970
>No, they just read the bible and lynched people.
So they were based, and you're here complaining about why you can't lynch the niggers and the jews, while your forefathers would have done it in a heartbeat.

Atheism and being ok with degeneracy for so long is what make us weak.

>>139313978
I guess Jefferson didn't believe enough. For shame. Were all the forefathers atheist?

>>139313990
Read a bible friend

>>139314269
Someone who knows she's going to be filmed.

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>>139314159
NORDICIDE
Although the figures for interracial marriage may seem prima-facie "good news" for White racialists, this ignores the particular danger which such statistics have for defenders of the Nordic (Northern European) type. The statistic ignores the marriage of Nordics with other "Whites" such as Southern Italians, Oriental Greeks and Arabs. Such mating obliterates the fine-grained recessive gene qualities of Nordics (fair hair, blue eyes, light skin, etc.) as surely as mating with a Black or Asian. Thus, the pinnacles of Nordic beauty - White or ultra-blond hair - has now virtually disappeared from Western populations, to be seen mainly in young Nordic children before their hair darkens. The few women, and men, with such hair, are explicitly targeted for passive genocide by out-breeding, with those that are dark. Red hair seems to be the next Nordic quality for genetic elimination. In particular it is a matter of common knowledge that colored males looking for a trophy wife typically choose the blue-eyed blond-haired all American girl. Here is Benjamin Ginsberg [49] quoting from C. Bruck's The Predator's Ball, [50] about the 1985 Drexel Burham High Yield Bond Conference where the Jewish financiers gets the blond American girl:
"The sorts of beautiful women that the financiers must have dreamed about in high school but were unable to attract. No explanation is given for this youthful failure but the reader can easily surmise that the Jewish financiers could only attract the blond Gentile women of their dreams when their bank accounts had grown large enough to overcome their more undesirable Jewish characteristics. Students of popular culture might also note that the behavior and instincts attributed to these blond gentile women have changed markedly over the past century. Whereas in nineteenth-century works describing Jewish avarice the blond heroine was usually repulsed by her Jewish suitor despite his wealth.

>>139314361
Christianity is anti civilization.

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The God Most High is the Creator, the God With Us, and the I Am.

God has given human civilisation an opportunity to repent from the evil of not knowing Him. One day, much to the unbelievers surprise, God's grace period will be over for those who reject God and you will see that God and his followers are not the cucks you say we are.

>>139314646
And what were whites up to before Christianity.

>que up the WE WUZ ROMANS N SHEEIT. Even though Romans were tan and had black hair and brown eyes. Yeah. Real Aryan.

>>139313786
>>139313444

This is Katja Zwara.
She's Polish.

>>139290181
Atheism is basically the definition of retarded.

>>139314193
He knew the future and then created them that way (when he could have created them differently or not at all). Everything you do and your end-fate was already decided upon BEFORE you were ever created by him (when you could have been created differently or not at all). True freewill is incompatible with this.

>>139314661
Why do you do this?
I have faith in salvation that doeant involve Jews

>>139313596
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/120132023/#120132023

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>>139314418
We study it in school

>>139314880
Religion is really stupid though. I mean really. A literal Adam and Eve = Bullshit. There goes Protestantism. The Catholic Church is corrupt, everyone knows this, they thought the Earth was the center of the universe because of some Bible verses. How about you actually think objectively? Muslims believe much of the same garbage (literal Adam and Eve, literal Noah's flood, how great it was that Abraham was going to kill his son [what Eid is based on], etc.)