Is water a human right /pol/?

It's so abundant that it doesn't matter. It's like air: who gives a shit whether or not it's a human right because everyone can access it anyway.

Clean water is a different question. If I go through the trouble of removing the AIDS from a bucket of water, I will charge you for it.

>>139265995
positive rights don't exist.

>>139266314
Considering that for you to clean the water, that water has to be taken out of the collective water, the question there goes, did you paid or replaced that collective water.

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>>139266393

>>139265995
has this fucker not heard of bottled water?

>>139265995
I thought this was monstrous until I learned about the situation in Africa. Africans will not pay unless their arms are twisted and water is precious in Africa. Privatised water will help Africa more than public water which, in Africa is always doomed to collapse.

Also the west takes a cut.

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>>139266697
The only legitimate kind of border is a private property border. National "borders" are illegitimate. there is no contradiction leaf.

>>139266393
Flag checks out

>>139266891
>The only legitimate kind of border is a private property border
Hmmm, you seem to have forgotten to substantiate such a claim.

Fake! He said *free* water isn't a human right and indeed it isn't because otherwise WHY THE FUCK DO I KEEP GETTING BILLS FROM THE WATER COMPANY???

>>139266314
Fair point.

>>139266957
Are you going to use cohersion to force me into accepting that my land it's not mine commie?

>>139266314
This. Unless you live in a desert, water is practically inexhaustible.
>>139266510
>taken out of the collective water
Have you ever seen a river? There's no way you could drink it dry unless you were in a desert.

>>139266891
>government robs me of my tax dollars and buys land
>I shouldn't have a say in how that land is used and whom can access it
you're so close, hoppean libertarian white nationalism will come soon to you

>>139265995
dean kamen already cured water faguts

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>>139266891
Nice spook

>water was not invented by humans
>water is natural
>humans need water to live
>food sources need water
>humans need food to live

Removing the 'right to water' removes the 'right to live'.

>>139265995
Someone's gotta pay for the pipes

Nothing is a human right.

>>139265995
While it's a human right for basic survival I think the best way to keep people from wasting it is to have them pay.
In America it's best off privatized while the rest of the world it's best off owned by the communities.

>>139267155
Are you going to make an argument?

>>139267169
>I'm going to act retarded in the hopes that someone will argue with me. I need attention!

I hope it's an act at least.

>>139267169
I have actually drinked plenty of river water, but up there in the mountains were it's as clean as it's going to naturally be.

>>139267223
Who?

>>139265995
Anyone who denies water is a human right is outright retarded.

>>139266891
You ancaps should be shot in every cavity of your body

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>>139265995
>On August 30, 2012, Bulcke claimed that water is not a human right and should be privatized. He was quoted as saying ""If something isn't given a value, people tend to waste it. Water is our most useful resource, but those using it often don’t even cover the costs of its infrastructure. Fresh water is being massively overused at nature’s expense, but it seems only a global crisis will make us realise the importance of the issue. What is environmentally unsustainable today will become socially unsustainable in the future,"


Makes a decent point to me, I don't see why you couldn't claim ownership of water on your property or that you collect.

>>139266836
>Privatised water will help Africa
beign this cucked

>>139266314
>Clean water is a different question. If I go through the trouble of removing the AIDS from a bucket of water, I will charge you for it.
It tends to be undrinkable because it's polluted though, by the very same type of predatory 1%ers who claim it's not a human right & should be privatised.

>>139267320
Yes, people has a right to property cause it's implicit in the social contract, unless you don't believe in society in wich case we as society have no reason to listen to you.

has anyone else ever had ground water?

in 2nd grade we went to a landfill for a "study trip" and they had a pipe connected to a water supply, it tastes amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_pb6r8VNWk

bill burr talking about him

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>>139267284
The only right people have is the right to die in this current day and age...

>>139266393
Rights exist if they are backed by force.

>>139265995
There's no such thing as human rights

>>139267475
I never said helping Africa helps us.

>>139267709
In your mind or in reality?

>>139267553
>Yes, people has a right to property cause it's implicit in the social contract
The social contract that ANCAPS completely reject, so what the fuck is the point you're even trying to make?

>>139267284

>Privatize water
>Enact Carbon tax for (((muh climate change)))
>Control entire life cycle
>Make everyone pay to live

>>139267709
Then why did the UN declare that human beings have human rights?

>>139267805
where do human rights exist?

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>>139265995

How do you classify which water though? What if i collect rainwater? if a company owns the rain water do they pay damages in a storm? if i bore a well and start pumping water from an aquifer under my property how can you say that water isnt already mine?

>>139267679
Interesting thought. Eh, death certificates will be issued in about 10 years. The Jews will find a way to profit off a dead person.

>>139267455

This is how it works in most countries. If you own land and that land has water on it, you also own that water.
If you put land that has a lake in it, you own all the water in that lake. If you buy land that has a river flow over it, you own the water on that part of the river. You even own the right to have water flow through that river, so someone else cannot legally block the river upstream and deny you of water that would flow through it.

>>139267810
ANCAPS accept capitalism with their quirks and perks, cause money based economy relays on the concept of private property, unless you are talking about another ancap ideology.

How can a resource be a right?

>>139265995
"Human rights" as a political term has lost its impactfulness if not its meaning at all. Many claim absolute bullshit to fall within the scope of human rights, denigrating them to a gibsmedat veil.

Water should be dubbed a human necessity - it is something you must not deny to a fellow human (note murderous sandnigger actively trying to kill you might be an exception for obvious reasons).

That is why have a codex of morality: you may not be morally entitled for a sex-change operation, but putting a money barrier on a free-flowing spring, on water currents both on the surface and beneath it, on water meant for drinking and bathing in general, is morally corrupt by anyone's standards, be it an AnCap or a Turbocommie.

Everyone except this white Jew. That Nestle chairman should neck himself at the nearest lamppost

>>139267947
>durrrr where do my rights as an American exist?
In your constitution. Want to know where your human rights come from? The UN human rights declaration, unless your country happened to sign the Cairo declaration of human rights :^).

>>139267916
so they can be justified in regime changing any state who goes against their wishes

>>139266393
Positive rights do exist, but they shouldn't. Having a right to a good or service means you have a right to somebody's labor, and having a right to someone's labor removes others' rights to their own agency and freedom.

Water should be privatized to the extent that people can own access to the resource, just as people own access to any other resource. That doesn't stop others from buying/obtaining the resource on their own and undercutting their competition. The Nestle chairman is essentially making a statement in support of the free market.

>>139268214
>why did the UN say you have human rights?
>mumble mumble I don't have human rights mumble mumble mumble UN literally Hitler mumble mumble

>>139267591
>has anyone else ever had ground water?
I have sampled all the various types of water.

>>139265995
If it was, then (((their))) friends would be able to pump hormones in that shit to "fight toxic masculinity and racism." All they would need to do to get the bill past is to give some shekels to salon and a couple of dindus and they would all just blindly give it support then the bill would be signed in. It'd make it to easy for (((them))) to distribute it in white neighborhoods making more good goys and they'd purify it in Israel.

>>139268214
This

>>139267090
because you don't want water that has nigger shit floating in it

>>139268082
>legally block the river upstream and deny you of water that would flow through it.

Well that would suck.

It does make sense to distribute water in a private ownership model, it forces people to conserve the recourse especially atomistic people living in a consumerist society.

Water is already privatized. Every time you open a faucet, they're charging you for it.

>>139268007
you are impeding the flow of water, that water would leave your property if you don't capture it. literally detaining it against it's will.

>Man jailed for collecting rainwater in illegal reservoirs on his property

http://www.foxnews.com/real-estate/2012/08/16/man-jailed-for-collecting-rainwater-in-illegal-reservoirs-on-his-property.html

>>139266393
neither do negative rights

>>139265995
Is food a human right? Privatize and maybe we'll see cheap as fuck water. Fucking retards.

>>139265995
Rights exist in a negative way. You don't have the right to water, but you do have the write to own water.

>>139266891
I'm stealing this.

>>139268733
>the market solves everything

>>139268747
*right* FML - It has been a long day.

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>>139267903
we all need and do pay for our lives, but to whom is the question here.
We pay it if anything in struggle.

But when a man in his arrogance attempts to pedestal him self as an god like authority upon whom lives of other are dependent, that is when i call for immediate impalement

>>139267709
>There's no such thing as human rights
In that case there's no such thing as the rights of the ceo of nestle, so everyone is free to drink whatever water they want to.

>>139268733
It's a right in many countries.

>>139265995
This man should be shot.

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>>139265995
and for those that did not crack this simple puzzle.
no one is to be charged for natural resource, of any kind. what they are charged for is delivery and processing of that resource.

>>139268504
it taste amazing right? spring water came close though

>>139268824
>Food is a human right
Why doesn't the government run breadlines

>>139269196
Food isn't a human right though.

>>139265995
fucking jews

>>139269299
It is in some countries.

>>139269299
Self preservation is.

How do you expect humans to self preserve if they don't eat or drink?

>>139269464
Where? Venezuela? How's that going?

>>139266393
If you take someone prisoner and refuse to give them water haven't you violated the NAP?

>>139265995
I can't wait until they start charging for sunlight and oxygen

>>139265995
>not knowing we're actually 78% Gatorade™

>>139269556
It's my right here in right wing capitalist Ireland. If I ever have no money the government will give me money for food.

>>139269150
It's rich in minerals I believe, yeah it tasted breddy gud.

>>139269573
who gives a fuck, whos gonna charge you for violating it.

>Something that costs pennies a gallon is privatized
>Given out free by every single business out there
OH NO ITS PRIVATIZED. Also food is privatized yet most people in the 1st world manage to eat every day.

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>>139269468
You're missing something. SELF preservation, if a gov't forces people to provide for you than it is no longer SELF preservation

>>139269573
That's a product of right to life. If someone is deprived of the capacity to gather their own food (such as when they're imprisoned), they have a right to food because the food serves their right to life.

>>139269464
I'd like to see these rights in writing. A right to water and a right to access water aren't the same thing.

>>139265995
For the record, I actually live in a large, desert area. Because of the nature of the environment, there is enough water to go around, but it has to be managed appropriately to avoid going to waste and reaching all the useful areas.

The current mechanism for it works like this:
>Buy land
>Optionally buy water rights (or shares) which entitle you to water for use with said land
>Water is delivered via large canals from a hydroelectric dam
>Dam upkeep is paid for via electricity and property taxes
>You will own these water rights forever as long as you pay your property tax (~0.7% of property value annually in my area)

A more private system could exist, but this is really quite efficient as far as governments are concerned. I don't see a lot of ways a privately owned company would do it any differently.

Nestle would prefer to sell it by volume, which always works out to be far more expensive than the system I described because of the metering necessary. Despite less accurate measurements, the system I described is profitable, functional, and self-sustaining. Everyone involved has a vested interest to keep it working as-is.

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>>139265995
water should be banned and replaced with soy milk.
each soy milk canister will have an ad for your daily intake.
drink your soy up and then check out blacked.com

Water isn't a right anywhere. You pay for that water bill.

>>139269846
Homeless Irish families stay in hotel rooms. They even complain about it.

That's rich considering Nestle puts salt in their bottled water to make you thirstier and buy more.

>>139267488
>It tends to be undrinkable because it's polluted though, by the very same type of predatory 1%ers who claim it's not a human right & should be privatised.
It was undrinkable back in the middle ages too before there were chemicals to dump in water. Shit's always dirty.

>>139269299
Why not?

>>139269990
>Homeless Irish families stay in hotel rooms.
Show me this right to shelter in Ireland. In writing I mean.

>>139270077
Because that would imply any piece of food on this planet is your for the taking because it's your right to food, food in it's entirety.

Access to food is different. I'll drop your ass in a farmer's market: there's your access now you better have the money or you're probably going to starve.

>>139269961
It's a right here. During our recession they tried to privatise it and it collapsed. Clean drinking water piped to my legally built home is my RIGHT. Of course taxes apply to having a home so you could say I'm paying for it anyway.

>>139270040
If they have a shitty product and everybody knows it, make a better product and put them out of business.

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>>139270040
I'm looking at a bottle of Kirkland bottled water right now from Costco

INGREDIENTS: Purified Water, Potassium Bicarbonate, Sodium Bicarbonate, Calcium Citrate, Sodium Chloride, and Magnesium Oxide

>>139270264
Feels good to live in an ethnically homogenous mildly socialist state.

>>139270339
With that ingredient list they could have pulled that water from the great salt lake. Are you sure you're not drinking straight brine?

>>139270040
25mg of salt in one 500ml bottle. Go be delusional somewhere else.

>>139270040
Nestle's water is 1% sodium, it'd have to be +9% to make you thirstier.

>>139270339
to be fair, you need a balance of salt and water but everything is filled with sodium already that it's not as necessary

>>139270339
>>139270040
Actually water should have some minerals and salts in it as people who aren't intelligent can harm themselves pretty badly drinking nothing but pure distilled water.

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>>139269785
You can provide animals and in that case the animal provides for you, and no human i's being forced to feed another.

Our most famous socialist president created a program called the litter of milk per child.

He assured a litter of milk monthly to every child in the country regardless of their socio-economical conditions, this raised the countries IQ and it's a meassure that was never questioned no matter how neoliberal our economy became.

Something as simple as this can fix entire races, but you fail to see that because you are worried about ideological trenches that fail to improve people's existance.

>>139270483
Yeah until the gravy train has to make a pit stop for a while.

>>139267185
>shouldn't have a say in how that land is used and whom can access it

You have your opinion, but no one listens because it's a shit opinion.

>>139270040
proof?

>>139270296
The water company( state owned most of the time ) can cut your water supply if you don't pay your bill though. You aren't allowed to use infinite water.

>>139270577
Checked

>>139270520
1% sodium will make you less quenched than drinking 0% sodium. If you are drinking it to hydrate, then drinking 9 bottles will only hydrate you from excessive electrolytes as much as 8 bottles without, meaning they get to sell ~12% more bottles assuming people drink to a margin of hydration.

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>>139270577
Rapidly growing population and the fastest growing economy in the EU. We have some time to live in paradise yet.

Our population grows by 2% a year. Compare that to Germany that is having a refugee "crises" or the US with an effectively open border with Mexico. Both have population growth of less than 1% a year. Before you get upset, most of our births and immigrants are white.

>>139270484
>>139270548
>>139270557
I'd have to google these ingredients and why they're in this water. Not using google of course

>>139270747
WRONG!

Water is not metered. There is no bill.

>>139270852
Potassium Sodium Calcium Sodium and Magnesium are all necessary for biological functions.

>>139267185
I don't know what you're so happy about, Ireland is an irrevelent shithole and could collapse tomorrow if anyone really cared.

>>139270852
There is the argument that if you've been sweating you need minerals replaced. (the gatorade argument) However, most americans easily meet their salt needs with their diets.

>>139270947
Meant Chlorine instead of a second sodium

>>139265995

there's no rights

only privileges

>>139270068
>It was undrinkable back in the middle ages too before there were chemicals to dump in water. Shit's always dirty.
You have no idea what you're talking about, in it's natural state, without human pollution, most river water is drinkable.

>>139265995
>Daily reminder that Nestle is one of the biggest sellers of bottled water in the world
Fancy that the CEO is the kind of fuck who thinks the world's water supply should be sold off to corporations.

>>139265995
No. Otherwise rain is rayciss because it only falls in white countries.

>>139270909
Are you sure about that ? I find it hard to believe.

>>139265995
No, clean water isn't a human right.

>>139271071
Next you are going to tell me you have to pay hospital bills. I don't.

>>139270973
meant for>>139270839

>>139271017
>most river water is drinkable
Thing is you should boil any water that hasn't been treated by heat or chemicals. Animals die all the time from dysentery from drinking water contaminated by rotting biomatter upstream.

>>139270326
>If they have a shitty product and everybody knows it, make a better product and put them out of business.
Yeah but who pays for the roads, dickhead.

Why dont you privatize oxygen as well while you are at it.

>>139267591
Ground isn't water. Stop messing with my head!

>>139271187
Surprisingly enough, Ireland is the country with the lowest taxes.

The only way to support a welfare state is by strong capitalism.

Innate "natural" rights don't exist.
Rights are a product of the state protecting you from people stronger than you.

A right is whatever a group of people agree to protect themselves from. So he's not correct or wrong it's just his opinion. Of course it's easy to have that opinion when you're one of the wealthiest people on the planet.

>>139267679
Suicide is illegal

>>139271349
They don't see the comparison, maybe for them clean air isn't a right either and if you want clean air you should pay more in top of the price you paid to dirt that air, that just happened to not be polluted before.

>>139271491
Low corporation tax. Very high personal income tax.

>>139270815
Shut up, you Statist scum

privatize viewing the moon

put chips in peoples heads so no one can steal a look for free

>>139270947
>>139270990
I highly doubt I'm getting my required amount of that solely from water, and not from other sources.

>>139271218
>Animals die all the time from dysentery from drinking water contaminated by rotting biomatter upstream.
That's why I said most, not all, but my point was, rivers didn't used to be full of organophosphates & heavy metals & whatever other shit is in them now.

Fuck this Nestle executive. These are the same people that flex on governments to ban rainwater collecting on your own property. Also their bottled "spring water" is taken from PUBLIC utilities and purified with reverse osmosis.

Resources important to the survival of the species should not have a profit-shareholder bent.

Patents and privatization of necessities like food and water will lead to corporate-sanctioned resource rationing. They will have monopolies/oligopolies and scam the system til the torches come.

>>139271450
>Ground isn't water. Stop messing with my head!
Ever walked on ice ?

>>139266314
>It's so abundant that it doesn't matter
unless it's not.

>>139271529
So...

Under your paradigm the man it's the wolf of the man?

Water should be a right in Ireland where water is cheap and falls from the sky every day. Water should not be a right in Africa where is it scarce and needs to be carefully distributed.
It's just a matter of efficiency.

For example, warmth isn't a right in Ireland (unless you are a pensioner) but it's for free in Africa.

the wind, there's an untaped gold mine. no kite flying unless you pay

>>139271933
preach

>>139265995
Trump supporters will defend this.

Corporate EU monkey. That nestle guy is part of the problem.

>>139265995
It's necessary for life (which is a right), so it's a second degree right.

>>139271781
It's less about your required amount solely from water and more about safeguarding against "water poisoning". Natural water has enough minerals in it to maintain electrolytes but purified water needs to have them placed back into them or else it causes your electrolytes to get flushed out of your systems due to dialysis.
>>139271806
True, I was just making a reminder about water in a survival situation.

>>139271963
In my paradigm I ignore the entire idea of "natural law". I think it's idiotic.

Isn't private property a right? If water is not a right, it can't be privatized.

>>139272026
>For example, warmth isn't a right in Ireland (unless you are a pensioner) but it's for free in Africa.
They've got more than their fair share of the world's heat, and here we are shivering in the cold, greedy cunts !

>>139266836
> be me
> me be
> god damn
> i am

A canadian who spoke with an afghan uber driver who told me Nestle had came in years ago and opened up shop, trashed all natural aquifers creating a need for bottled water.

If faggot prince nestle accomplishes his cuckoldry of water then you will take those words back.

See you during the uprising.

>>139266314
You're not familiar with the concept of a drought, I take it.

>>139272219
All the food you eat is full of salts. You can drink dionised water without health risk as long as you eat like a normal person.

The problem with deionised water is that it tastes really bad. No one would drink it. So they add some minerals for flavour.

>>139265995
life/liberty/pursuit of happiness

you cant have life without water therefore its a right

>>139265995
Clean air in cities is not a human right, it should be privatized.

>>139265995

If that is how that company thinks, then it needs to be exposed. Saying that water isn't a human right is like saying that air isn't either. Plus how the hell can someone privatize water? How the hell can they stop the rain? Fuck them.

>>139272227
So you are willing to ignore the fact that clean water was avaible before industrialism, and that no one had to question if water was a right or not, until monetization of goods became a thing.

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>>139266393
Rights don't exist.

>>139272392
> a company poisoned all the water supplies.

That story sounds bad.

>>139265995
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Water is 100% vital to living, aka life.

Therefore, water is a basic human right. At least if you fucking retards actually believed what is written in the Constitution.

>>139272514
you cant live if you have cancer. cancer treatment a right?

>>139271030
Would you rather the water just sit there, unavailable to anyone?

At least if corporations owned the water supply, they would develop an effective infrastructure for its distribution and sale.

Or do you want your precious government to do that for you?

>>139271529
>Innate "natural" rights don't exist.
source?

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>>139265995
>privatising WATER itself

In Sweden it would be legal to get water yourself no matter who owns the land due to the Everyman's Right, where I think it would fall under the same as picking berries etc, as long as it's not someone's garden or is an economic exploitation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam#Sweden

>PS: Even if you have the right to WATER ITSELF, you do not have any right to force anyone to PROVIDE that water for you.

>>139268060
>Eh, death certificates will be issued in about 10 years.
That happens now...

>>139272512
It's not necessarily a bad thing to drink distilled water, but you wouldn't want to do it all the time. Besides, you're going to need to add in more minerals to your diet if you get rid of the ones in your water. Distilled water is acidic and one could argue that the taste is a way to let you know that its not a good idea to drink a lot but to me it's not much of a difference between distilled and filtered water in terms of taste.

>>139265995
>Is water a human right /pol/?
Doesn't matter. If might makes right and Rights are only enforced under threat, then by all means try and take water. You'd have an army outnumbering any corporate/national force over 1,000,000 : 1.
Anyone who tried wouldn't last an afternoon.
Desperate men are dangerous men

>>139272833
Probably how it works here too. No one can refuse me a toilet.

>>139272792
The rest of his post. You have the onus to prove such rights exist. Maybe you can start with how literally every human civilization outlaws murder

>>139267155
Have you created that land, Chile?

>Ancaps believe the property spook is an inalienable right
>Don't believe people have a right to clean drinking water

Have the memes gone too far?

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>>139272729
You have the right to drink water go out and get it yourselves, you just don't have the right to access water systems, pipelines, or for free bottled water that you don't pay for.

By all means, go get your water from a lake on public land.

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>People ignore the fact that many cities/population centers cannot exist without cheap water.
>Places like Las Vegas only exists because of the Hoover Damn, but that's soon not going to be enough, as they are draining Lake Mead faster then ti can refill.
>California had entire towns abandoned during the latest drought because there simply wasn't water.
>But we should still privatize water, so corporations can buy up all the lakes and rivers, then charge everyone for it because they HAVE to pay for it or literally die.
>Don't want to sell me that plot of land that gives the Nestle Corporation ownership over the lake? Well guess what, we're going to legally fuck you until you're forced to sell that land, then buy it anyway.
>Then they open desalination plants and charge 10x for all water and proclaim the cost is because it's more expensive to desalinate, even though less then a percent of the water sold would come from it.

Privatized Water would literally lead to water wars.

>>139267455

He is only making a point for his own agenta. His company is a producer oligarchie in some countries and products. ESPECIALLY FUCKING WATER. They bought plenty of land containing wells.

So guess what happens if it gets privatized, fucking profit.

There are other ways to make people stop wasting water.

>>139271933
>Patents and privatization of necessities like food and water will lead to corporate-sanctioned resource rationing. They will have monopolies/oligopolies and scam the system til the torches come.

That only happens when the free market is infringed upon by government regulation. Do you even know whose side you're on? Without government oppression, there's no reason you can't collect your own rainwater. When corporations lobby the government to attack people for playing too, that's a bastardization of the free market.

>>139271962
On the Moon, yes. On Earth, it's extremely abundant. There's a pond about 2 minutes from my house that I could go collect water from and then boil. I choose to buy water through the tap though. As another anon said, unless you're in a desert, this is a total non-question. If you live in a desert, fucking move. It's like saying we have to subsidise clothing for people living in Antarctica because they're cold. No. Just move somewhere warmer. Living in a desert is a choice.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with filling a bucket up with water and boiling it if you're poor and can't afford tap water. It gets the job done and is perfectly safe, so why do we need to pretend it isn't and that we HAVE to provide poor people with running water?

>>139273235
No it leads to an incentive to provide water and prevent people wasting water. Profit.

>>139273273
>There are other ways to make people stop wasting water.

Mkay like what? How are you going to stop people from overusing a free resource?

>>139272876
It's cute that you still believe this, but it's time to wake up anon. Look at the world around you. People will sit and take everything with a smile on their face.

I mean guys, you realise ALL rights are spooks right? They are just things people collectively decided to protect. You guys don't unironically think that community shouldn't be under the obligation to provide reasonable access to clean drinking water do you?

I mean, the community protects your property, and that's a much less important right than clean drinking water. You don't value property rights over the right to water... do you anon?

>>139272737
It is actually in first world nations.

>>139265995

Universal access to clean water as inexpensive as possible should be what every decent government should ensure. Whether or not that counts as a "right" I don't care to argue.

Did you guys know that the Bush family invest millions buying up aquifers around the south? Almost like they know that some day, clean water will be worth more than oil.

>>139272729
>Getting hit by a truck ends your life. Therefore, the government should be responsible to ensure I never get hit by a truck, by any means necessary

>>139268611
I was originally a good goy when that story first broke and thought that maybe there was a point when they first tossed out the 13 MILLION number, just shocked by its pure bigness. Then Fox gave their little analogy about it being 20 swimming pools (or about five of the pools at Al Gore's mansions.) Then I looked at saw how much water a full size pool actually holds. About 700,000 gallons.

It's literally nothing. Dude has less water than a fucking pond and the jew jailed him for it.

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>>139273850
Don't you have a protest to attend, leaf?

>>139267284
underrated!

I mean it's pretty fucking simple if I have a free pizza and offer it to people walking by it's going to get eaten pretty fucking fast.

If I charge a dollar for each slice it will be used more efficiently and get eaten slower. Seems like the same could be applied to any item whether oxygen, water, or soil, sand, etc...

>>139274011
Is that seriously a thing?

>>139266314
Only 2.5% of the water on Earth is fresh water, and then only about 1% of the existing fresh water is accessible to human use. Most of it is trapped in glaciers and ice fields.

So fresh water is not a abundant as you think. In fact in some places in the world they fight and die over access to water. But you would'nt understand that idea, living in a place with tons of rain, you fucking fog breather.

>>139273850
That's true you giant faggot.

>>139271017
People used to dumb their pish and shit in the rivers and wash their dirty clothes, shoes, dicks, cunts and asses there.
That wasn't as bad as now, but it wasn't clean either if there were any settlements nearby

No, it isn't. Water should be privatized.

>poisons great lakes and all other major sources of river in Canada secretly
>invent antidote and freely distributed it as a part of national Health Care
>offer to sell anti-dote to US for an astronomical sum

>>139274011
Jew detected.

>>139274523
Racketeering is against the law.

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>>139266314
>everyone can access it anyway.

>>139274485
>So fresh water is not a abundant as you think.
That's still more water than people can drink, water crops with, clean and wash with. It's also renewable and flows constantly out to the oceans.

The Mackenzie River dumps on average 10,000 cubic meters of water a second into the ocean. That's enough water for the whole human population to drink with lots left over.

Water itself, like all naturally occurring resources, should not be privatised or owned at any level.

Exploiting those resources, however, is a matter for private individuals or organisations.

>>139273325
No gov regulation isn't needed lead to the rationing. It will come through market prices that they dictate with a disproportionately large market share.

Yes, governments shouldn't be regulating and infringing liberties on your own personal private property. Water as a utility does need regulation though because companies will cut corners to increase margins.

Bottom line the fairy tale free competitive market doesn't exist. Those with money will attempt to influence any regulating entities, and the bastardization is inevitable.

>>139273158
Where in the fucking world is water pipeline free?
Everyone pays for maintaining it be it done by the state or a private entity.
>>139273850
That's called traffic laws, faggot

>>139265995
Since no one had to work to produce water except as processing plants which are tax payer funded...no, water is a human right as we would die without it.....

>>139275466
Traffic laws always ration the risk of loss of life against the economic reward of fast flowing traffic. Your life has a price in the eyes of the government.

If traffic laws were there only to protect your life, speed limits would max out at 20. There's an agreed-upon speed that society has come up with where the amount of deaths is deemed acceptable. You're very naive if you think otherwise.

>>139275009
>There's plenty in this place, so there is in every place.
Cherry Picking isn't a good place to start.

>>139276056
They also don't put in stop signs until a certain number of accidents/lives are lost.

>>139276057

So don't be a fucking idiot and settle in a place without a pottable watet source.

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>>139273012
Maybe in the sense that we made it a place were people can live.

>>139276290
Your argument was that there's plenty of water for everyone, and it was clearly demonstrated that isn't true.

So should everyone move to the Mackenzie River? All 7.5 Billion people? Because then you're getting into a logistics nightmare. Just admit you don't understand why privatization of water is a problem.

>>139265995
>die of thirst vs
>kill this bastard and take his privatized water
hm

>>139265995
He deserves to have a gas chamber named after him.

>>139276697
>be homeless vs
>kill you and take your house
hm. Where does your logic end?

>>139277005
>no water = no home
>you will die if homeless
nice edu leaf

>>139273490

Firstly it is not free, in germany for example you pay for l/m3, but it is a reasonable price.

You could make people aware, which works more than you think. Can't remember how often I've been told to take a paperbag instead of a plastic one by random people I don't even know.
The next thing is that water Isn't really used up anyways, it is mostly recycled.

>>139276531
>there isnt enough water for everyone!
>pay taxes and there suddenly will be!
lol

>>139274873
The victims don't live in the same country as the people comitting the crime, so it's okay. They can't stop us. If they go to international courts, we'll just say it's a trade action or something.

>>139265995
Go fuck of these are my clouds now and I'll make them rain only over my territory you other fuckers won't get anything say good bye to rain.

>>139273414
Haha no. It would incentivize profit but that's not how making profit works. They would be selling as little as possible for as much as possible while simultaneously encouraging people to waste or use as much as possible so they have to buy more. It also helps if they taint, buy up or otherwise make inaccessible any other forms of water available because monopolies are extremely profitable.

Oh and they would want to do this so bad because you can't just boycott water if alternative sources are unavailable. You can't trust companies to be in it for anything other than the money.

>>139278051
But what is more effective buying water from a profit driven private enterprise that will seek to reduce overhead and maximize their profits or a bloated bureaucratic state enterprise that is inefficient because people know they can fuck off with few consequences?

I honestly don't know which would allot resources more effectively I will have to study some data to see which works better. But I can say in my personal experience that people who work for the state often seem to perform poorly and offer poor service because they have no profit motivation to succeed.

>>139278561
This fellow has the right idea. Resource poor countries should learn to fear countries with an abundance of natural wealth.

>>139278817
Private enterprise has no motivation to keep people alive either.

I don't think that something that people can't live without should be in the hands of people that it's more worried about profit than human lives.

>>139266393
No rights exist except those enforced by power.
So many privatisation shills ITT.

>>139279184
>Private enterprise has no motivation to keep people alive either.

Well they might, like maintaining their customer base. The same could be said about government, a dead person equals one more person who payed their taxes and didn't use their social security or whatever other state program they payed into. I have seen stats that show that tax payers get like a tenth of the government services they payed for through their taxes.

It doesn't matter the motivations of the people what is more important is the end result, which system is more effective at producing the desired result of the cheapest best quality supply of water possible. Whether it's via a free market approach or a Communist or fascist or whatever approach do what works the best and fuck the ideology.

>>139274485
>>139276057
>>139276531
This burger is tearing the greedy kike shills a new arsehole.
>>139278073
Nobody cares about your opinion, you're a cultist and will argue for anything stipulated by your ideology, irrespective of whether it corresponds with reality.

>>139265995
In certain way YES..BUT the treatment level of that water NO.... cleaned water is Private!!!

>>139279878
Well during my lifetime, water went from public to private, and the quality hasn't improved but the costs sure did.

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>>139280189
Well I don't know all the factors associated with that, but if that is true then in that circumstance government control would be better. Ideology is just a tool to get shit done, gotta use the right tool for the job.

>>139265995
I have enough money to buy bottled water so I don't really care
If you can't afford water from a bottle, drink the free stuff out of public fountains

>>139266891
private property borders are only legitimate if they can be defended, same as national borders

>>139265995
No

>>139265995
Basic necesities ARE human rights, otherwise we go back to feudal europe times where the biggest breakthroughs were soap and not having incest.

>>139272737
Good point anon. Lets tax all the fuckin fish for using up our precious commodity, then compress a housing and food tax on top of that.

Also, if anyone pisses in our acquisitiones natural resources, even accidentally, throw them in prison.

This is such a hood argument anon. We should also create new jobs based off of this privitization for hunters, giving them a shoot to kill license for any wild life that even dares think to use our precious blue gold.

Any aboriginals who have land claims, fuck them too. Slurp out their supply from under them and then put them back in high security residential camps until they die from dehydration.

Anyone caught trying to extract moisture from any organics will be immediately sent to the fucking gallows, for tyranny.

>>139265995
>water is a human right
No.
>water should be privatized
No.

>>139280397
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271818045_Private_Water_Public_Good_Water_Privatization_and_State_Capacity_in_Chile

It was during the 90's and the private enterprise it's not to blame for the low quality, but the water code.

>>139280393
>the entirety of the United States
>your property
It's like you retards don't even understand the implications of still having communists and progressives inside your country. I let people illegal immigrants onto my private property which is located inside of your country, guess what?

Illegal immigrants "legally" entered your country.

>>139278073
Didn't even mention taxes you faggot. Nice strawman attempt.

The reality of it is that water is a finite resource that is absolutely vital to life. There isn't any other alternative to water. It's used for an ENORMOUS amount of things from food production and manufacturing to sanitation and entertainment. It's not about just getting enough to drink.

Lets look at Lake Mead and Las Vegas. Vegas was supposed to be sharing that water with a huge area, but guess what happened? The city grew too fast, tourism exploded, and now Las Vegas is literally draining two lakes worth of water now. When Mead got low, they started draining Lake Powell. Powell is now down 60%, and Mead isn't going up because water is in such high demand. And you know what most of the water in Vegas is being used for?
Fucking Fountains. Motherfucking Fountains. It's not even getting drunk. It's just evaporating.
Privatize water and you're just going to see things get worse.
>Drought comes along, we triple water bills but don't restrict use.
>Water owners see record profits.
>Rains come, but we have to maintain those profit margins since we've set them.
>Water doesn't come down in price, but there's surplus.
>You HAVE to pay for it. You will actually die if you don't.

>>139266810
>heard of bottled water
sure he has, his company got BTFO'd in my state, when they started getting greedy with our ground water. Fuck these euroslobs. Stay the hell out of our natural resources corpfags. Plus bottled water is the gayest idea ever. That shit stays in the back of semi trailers in 100 degree temps, and all those plastic molecules mingle with the H2o, tastes like shit, is shit, only a fool would waste money on it.

>>139281114
Then what?

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>>139265995
>Is water a human right /pol/?
No.

t. Nestlé shareholder.

>>139283092
Makes sense

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In Australia we have to pay for tap water.

Who still uses tap water for their main source of hydration?

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>>139267306
we do pay for water, we pay our local municipalities, and the more you use the more you pay, but the idea that some charlatan shekelmeister could drive up the price of water, so he could buy a new house is absurd.
>I have no right to the natural resources on this planet as an individual, of this planet.
Oh yeah? My constitution says life and liberty, are guaranteed me, as an individual, doesn't say a damn word about your corporation having any rights, nor does it mention anywhere that wealth trumps my thirst. Those niggers thought they'd come to my state and do as they pleased, like we were some third world country, but they got pushed back.

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>>139284102
>Who still uses tap water for their main source of hydration?
Me, well, tea is basically the only thing I drink.

>>139284547
remember to boycott these nestle niggers also.

>>139266314
>air
>be a private corporation
>decide to pollute the air no fucks given
>decide to sell clean air, and re-release pollution in the air

ENJOY YOUR FREE AIR

>>139269429
B-but at least it's not the government!

*choke on corporation cocks*

My water bill was $900 last quarter because I have a leak in my main.
I might as well shut off my main and use Evian for everything

>>139268210
>In your constitution
in a piece of paper? wew lad, so my hqs are real? omg i want to meet spiderman

>>139286608
>bro a piece of paper? like bruhhhhh piece of paper with words written on them don't exist lol

>>139273359
Never have I seen a more ironic post on /pol/

>>139265995
its provision out of its natural area is a service.

>drinking kike tap water in america

i don't enjoy growing bitchtits thank you very much

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There are no human rights.
Read Hobbes.

>>139265995
Kill a capie for daddy.

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>>139265995
>Be the chairman of a global company
>Say this outloud in public
God, he's fucking dumb.

>>139266393
Yes they do, and they're enforced by governments and militarizes, paid for by us against our digression

water should be socialized and paid for with our existing taxes

>>139278817
negro please.
private sector will squeeze every penny out of anything the people give them. look at hospitals and the shit they serve for food at prisons now.

>>139266891
>he doesn't think governments are just massive entities that privately own massive amounts of property

society is inherently ancap, the private entities that own them are just massive governments that bought all of the smaller entities with force, and defend said properties with force

kys

>>139267284
so, animals are nature and yet we have to pay for their meat
you guys are fucking retarded and not analizing what he´s saying

You watch people throw water down the drain, wasting it every time they can, yet you think it´s ok they don´t pay enough for it, fucking chinks are running out of water, many countries will too, commiefornia had a water problem, wha if they let a private company handle that problem instead of those dumb ass commies?
there are people inventing things to clean water so you can drink it, but that has a cost, are you willing to let your government to do the labour of delivering water to your home? just look at what they´re talking about adding some shit to the water so you faggots accept being cucks to immigrants, what about the shit polluted water that some cities recieve, what if they add some other shit that could turn frogs gay

>>139267903
you need to pay to live, even if you´re a hunter, you need to do some work to get what you want
are you a commie?

>>139266891
Property only exists because of the guarantee the nation you retard.

>>139265995
OP clearly doesn't know how rights work.

>>139289599
*of the nation

Nestle, and other companies like Pepsi and Kraft have put HEK-219 in their products. HEK-219 is a converted form of abortion cells.

If you doubt this...this very topic has been addressed in legislation, and President Obama even commented on this subject, saying this process is okay.

>>139265995
It is an absolute right as we die without it.

Being allowed to drink water is a fundamental human right. And even North Korea doesn't forbid it.

Making water safe to drink and transporting it to everyone costs money. So someone has to pay for that.

If you believe that nobody should have to pay for those services, then what you are saying is that other people are required to perform those services for free. Who shall we enslave to do this and from where will we confiscate capital for infrastructure?

>>139290430
Maybe they shouldn't disrupts the course of the rivers if they wanted not paying people to remain alive.

>>139265995
Humans have the right to whatever they can take and keep through use of force.

>>139265995
There's no such thing as a human right.
Nothing is right, only earned. The mere prospect of a "human right" is rediculous

>>139266891
Holy shit kys fag

who the fuck thinks privatizing water is a good idea?

water is a basic life need. it's beyond human need.

these so smart people who think privatizing water are so fucking stupid. deny anyone the access to water, something one isn't able to live more than a couple of days without and that's a guaranteed way to be lynched by a thirsty mob and dragged by a pickup truck and your family raped and burned alive and have your name listed in history books as some megalomaniac retard.

honstly good fucking luck with that business idea.

>>139291879
Rights are the privileges granted by our birth certificate. In exchange, we follow laws, most of which prohibit primitive behaviors like hunting and gathering in random areas or raping and warring.

>>139265995
yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcf9CLMQuRQ

>>139267455
Says the nigger that pays a dollar to suck an infinite amount of water out of the great lakes and sell it back to you for more than the price of a gallon of gas.

>>139284102
>thom yorke

lol wtf?

>>139265995
Chile privatized their water and they're doing just fine.

>>139266314
You can't drink salt water, yellow teeth

>>139265995
Reminder that you can kill for water under international law.

>>139274441
Yeah, turns out a bunch of fags in suits have been omiting foreskins from textbooks for decades so people dont understand their actual function then convince people that they dont need them so they get PAID to harvest organs then re sell the organs.

>>139265995
>is water a human right
No

But even if the govt decided to declare it as one, who would be forced to provide it and at what cost?

Public water is undrinkable and the free market already does a better job of providing it anyway

>>139266891
The government is a private corporation.

Your years of autistic sperging are over. Go outside now.

>>139300766
>the government is a private corporation

Really, because last time I checked private corporations don't enforce extortion to make you pay for their product/service

>>139265995
Well its illegal for me to practice my religion or get the medicine legally here so I can see them doing that.

>>139282014
>drought ends, but I keep the price of my water high.
>competitor lowers his price a bit cheaper, attracting all of my customers and still making a profit.
>I have to lower my price or no one buys my water
>water price returns to pre drought levels