Redpill me on SSPX, is it /ourchurch/ ?

>>139240067
Let's archive it
https://unvis.it/salon.com/2013/11/17/meet_the_catholic_extremists_who_could_shatter_the_church

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>>139240067
Orders like SSPX, FSSP, etc are becoming less fringe over time, which is good. In fact I hear that SSPX seminaries are so full that they've run out of beds and have to build new buildings. Modernist influence is waning, young Catholics tend to be more traditional, even the clergy. The future looks bright

>>139241467
So do they have a presence in America? Where might I find a church to join?

Are they still in schism or not? I've lost track by this point

I know their thing in HK is some shit rented room or something, not much presence here, but they had a proper church in my hometown

>>139243169
http://sspx.org/en/community/priories
Their NYC chapter is based af. Their normie book has links to lectures on Cultural Marxism and the psychological/spiritual implications of porn.

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>>139240067
Lets hope. They are allowing LGBT public displays of affection in catholic schools these days. We need to drive the (((jesuit))) antipope out and reclaim our faith.

>>139240067
Ave Maria,
Deus Vult
https://youtu.be/BTQaTMTYla4
https://youtu.be/h56gxgwaVHw

>>139240067

Over the past few years SSPX has been expelling conservatives like Richard Williamson (2012). They are moving closer and closer to our current SJW pope. As a liberal liberation theology Catholic, I think this is great. Our current pope is the best one we've had since John XXIII.

SSPX is a small sect, and the sects trying to stay conservative are even smaller and more scattered and plagued by infighting.

>>139244764
I hope that's not true. I detest cultural marxism and want a zero nonsense church for my future family.

>>139240067
I go to an SSPX church in Utrecht. Ask away.

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>>139240067
Isn't SSPX an organization filled with kiddie diddlers? I vaguely remember a documentary about that... then again, (flag) Even our tax funded "impartial" TV channels are cucked.

>>139240067
>catholics are cu...

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Subtitled documentary on the SSPX in Sweden(and some elsewhere) if someone is interested.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av1uKMJ8X9w

>>139244956
Are they still as staunchly conservative and anti-sin as they're made out to be?

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>>139240067
Liberal media heretics at it again. They call all Catholics who hold on to all the traditional teachings of the church extremists. The southern poverty law center even put down Catholicism.org as traditional catholic extremists on their hate map just because father feeney held on to the salvation dogma and criticized Judaism.

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>>139244764

> As a liberal liberation theology Catholic, I think this is great.

>>139245369
I just want a traditionalist catholic church to take my children where they won't be led astray by liberalism and marxism.. Is that too much to ask in 2017?

What's the difference between them and sedevacantists?

>>139244920
Do you know about Marcel Lefebvre?

>>139245481
>liberal liberation theology Catholic
even worse, he's a sede

>>139245502
http://latinmassdir.org
Here you go. There are tons of parishes which offer it.
Also eastern catholic and ordinariate of at peter parishes are also good.

>>139240067
>I'm really want to convert from cucked protestantism to Catholicism
Only because you hate God's word and want to follow shiny human traditions that contradict the Bible.

Ye rather, blessed are those that hear the word of God and keep it!

>>139245835
No I do not

>>139245348
They are (way) more conservative than my local church. That's for sure. They're not the most conservative Catholic church I've ever been to.

That would be the sedesvacantist Dogmatic Union. Their priests consist of ex-SSPX priests that for different reasons left the SSPX because they deemed them too modernist.

In Holland SSPX is not anti-conventional Catholic, they just do and see things like 70 years ago. They are very very rich for some reason. Don't know why.

>>139244956
Which one? The website of their Dutch chapter says that they only have a church in Leiden and Gerwen.

>>139246433
I feel let down. The things Protestant denomination are acceptant of today are NOT biblical and I can't take it anymore.

>>139246649
https://www.trouw.nl/religie-en-filosofie/sint-pius-x-geloven-als-in-1962~a7c94afd/

Go to informatieblad.org and you'll see they recently acquired a third church.

>>139246691
I know that many protestant denominations are leftist cucks, but the modern Catholic church is not much better.

The best Bible believing Christians are essentially independent baptists in America. Check out Kent Hovind, Steven Anderson, etc. Just read the Bible and follow God's words. I admire Catholic aestethics, but I would never join them because soooo many of their traditions is in contradiction with the Bible.

>>139246433
>hey guise i found the ORIGINAL scripts i promise rome has never had anything to do with these lol i learned ancient greek at the catholic seminary btw

>>139240067

Protestant here, this article really underscores how BASED Benedict was and how cucked Francis is. You should probably just schism already and get it over with. Wouldnt be the first time you had two Popes calling each other the Antipope

>>139245598
>sedevacantists
they are the most fanatical, trading dissidence for outright schism. One cannot be in full communnion with the Roman See and reject the standing pope. Important to note: that doesn't mean you have to agree with everything the pope does as policy/teaching (with the obvious exception of speaking ex cathedra)

>>139246691
There are conservative Protestant denominations in the US like the Dutch Reformed Church. That information is of course only relevant if you're from the US. You could also consider Opus Dei if you look for something conservative.

>>139247080
Catholics don't even believe in their own Catholic Bible, so that's that.

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>>139247111
Honestly at this point the Catholic church may as well just split between a Western Catholic church that can join with the Anglicans and be the unitarian harlots they dream of being, and "Eastern" Catholics can be based in Poland or something and have closer relations with the conservative Orthodox denominations. Just a thought..

>>139247270
That's a meme invented by Martin Luther. Catholic bishops compiled the New Testament canon with the Greek Septuagint Old Testament into your bible. Saying that we don't follow it's teachings is ludicrous.

>>139240067
>>139243169
Take a look at Christian Identity if you're white.

>>139240067
>Catholic extremists

Those are called non-fag Christian priests.

>>139240067
I'm in a similar boat. White slav moving to Western Europe ( most likely France ) permanently very soon.
I'm orthodox by birth but more of an agnostic really. I'll probably never be a true believer but won't be a faggot either. Meaning I would be ok with going to church regularly, participating in other ativities and such. Not even going to lie, I mainly want to do it in order to find a trad waifu and a conservative community to integrate future children into.
Would I be welcomed? From what I understand it's similar to orthodoxy and I also have some catholic grandparents. But I haven't gone to church in a long time and I don't know what to expect. Yes, I am serious about all this.
My last experience was going to a protestant megachurch type of thing and I couldn't put up with that.
>inb4 try finding an orthodox church wherever you go
They would most likely have other slavs, I don't want a slav waifu I want a local.
>inb4 pls no bully

Okay, thats MY church.
THIS IS THE WAY FORWARD.

>>139247605
I already consider myself a follower of Christian identity but I didn't think it was an actual church I thought it's just a way of thinking, am I wrong?

>>139247582
Martin Luther was a Catholic priest.

Anyway, Catholics don't believe in the Bible because they contradict it in many of their pagan traditions. Venerating Mary, thinking she remained a virgin, sprinkling baptism, baby baptism, adding to God's word, calling priests "father"... just lunacy.

Ye rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God and keep it!

>>139246541
What do you think about my plan? >>139247790 I've heard they're quite based and in France at least homeschooling their children and such.

>>139246691
If you're looking for a church that observes the original meaning I would seek Orthodoxy before Catholicism. Catholicism may be more accessible, but there's so much wrong in theology and government that you would not be doing yourself a fair service if your hope is to grow in Christ.

>>139246555
>pitting catholics against each other
>implying the church is not rotten with gay pedo faggots
>implying this shouldn't be antagonized full force

>>139248014
Bearing false witness is a sin anon. Everything you have said is incorrect and slander

>>139247790
I've been in evangelical mega churches all my life and I just can't find anything spiritual or true in the sterility and shallow modernism and cringey attempts to be hip or adapted to the modern world. There's no Biblical meat to so much of what they make sermons out of nowadays, they talk about secular thinkers and memes and movie references and I may as well browse facebook to get the kind of shepherd protestantism has been offering nowadays. Not to mention the white guilt and tolerance of adultery that prevades it. AND THE IDOLTARY OF ZIONIST WORSHIP OF THE SECULAR STATE OF ISRAEL THAT MOCKS AND DENIES CHRIST.

I don't feel good bashing the church of my father but that's how I see it. I want to serve God and feel connected to the family of Christian Europeans that built the world I love. I want true communion with the kingdom of God, not a country club of rock music and pastors in t-shirts talking about memes.

>>139248014
This.
The only real Christians are Eastern Orthodox, everyone else is a blasphemer.

>>139248168
Yeah, you'll be welcomed. My church doesn't have any young women that attend but I'm sure in France that's different. I know Orthodox Christians are the only non-Catholics that are allowed by the Catholic churh to partake in communion. I'm assuming that keeping up attendance will be a challenge if you're not a true believer and you're more into it because you're conservative and looking for a qt pie.

>>139247790
Any real church is welcoming to newcomers, but Catholics won't share communion with you until you commit to the Catholic Church.

The slav myth is just that, I'm part of a parish that is American in every regard except for the iconography (which is byzantine).

>>139247946
I've just started looking seriously at it, and it's very compelling -- Not sure about the status of any unified church, etc., but there are certainly well-known online preachers (probably not the right word for them). Also, I have seen where they emphasize the importance of attending the feasts with fellow believers, so those gatherings must exist (and are numerous, as is my understanding). You should check out some of their websites before the ADL shuts them down cheers

>>139248458
>Bearing false witness is a sin
Indeed it is.

>And it came to pass, as He spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, "Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked."

>But he said, "Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it."

World's first Catholic, rebuked by Jesus Christ.

>>139248420
falling for hollywood propaganda, I see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Lefebvre#Political_positions

Political positions espoused by Lefebvre included the following:

Condemnation of the 1789 French Revolution and what he called its "Masonic and anti-Catholic principles".[54]
Support for the "Catholic order" of the authoritarian French Vichy government (1940–1944) of Marshal Philippe Pétain.
Support for authoritarian governments. In 1985, he spoke approvingly of the governments of Francisco Franco of Spain and António Salazar of Portugal, noting that their neutrality in World War II had spared their peoples the suffering of the war.
Support for the French nationalist leader Jean-Marie Le Pen. In 1985, the French periodical Présent quoted Lefebvre as endorsing Le Pen on the grounds that he was the only leading French politician who was clearly opposed to abortion.
Opposition to Muslim immigration into Europe. In 1990, Lefebvre was convicted in a French court and sentenced to pay a fine of 5,000 francs when he stated in this connection that "it is your wives, your daughters, your children who will be kidnapped and dragged off to a certain kind of places [sic] as they exist in Casablanca".[55][56]


he is /ourguy/

>>139248982
If you genuinely believe that the crimes committed by the so-called holy order of the catholic church are entirely fictitious, then you worship men and not Christ.

>>139248695
>I know Orthodox Christians are the only non-Catholics that are allowed by the Catholic churh to partake in communion
Awesome if true.
I meant what I said. I'm in this to get a partner with similar values. I'd never belittle or hamper her beliefs in anyway and would have no problems with going to church every Sunday, helping with other activities and so forth. I don't consider it larping and I wouldn't rule out embracing Christianity in the future. But it is unlikely.

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>>139249278
I've been shilling for SSPX for a long time here. I'm glad to see people are receptive.

>>139249450
"Catholic ministers may licitly administer the sacraments of penance(confession), Eucharist and anointing of the sick to members of the oriental churches which do not have full Communion with the Catholic Church, if they ask on their own for the sacraments and are properly disposed. This holds also for members of other churches, which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition as the oriental churches as far as these sacraments are concerned" (CIC 844 § 3).
https://www.catholic.com/tract/who-can-receive-communion

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>>139240067
>The Society of St. Pius X has a past of Fascist sympathy and worse.

tfw i went to Pius X school

>>139249450
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Nicolas-du-Chardonnet

Read the part of the 1977 occupation. Probably the most based thing SSPX has done so far.

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>>139250268
Where's the lie though

>>139249278

>he spoke approvingly of the governments of Francisco Franco of Spain and António Salazar of Portugal,

based af

>>139240067
To raise some counterpoints I haven't personally examined, the Catholic General thread stated Sex Abuse is a big problem, even more so than the regular Church.

>>139249012
>>139248644

>>139240067
Bible is scientifically wrong, why would you believe in religions?

>>139250799

> why would you believe in religions?

IQ above three digits is a good start.

>>139240067
I'd never, EVER, bet on it happening, but, I pray for a return to the Dark Ages

We have become so fucking fat and lazy with our god damn cell phones and McDonald's ready made food bull shit that we need to fucking burn.

Legit want to return to hunter/gatherer shit.

>>139244920
Cultural Marxism is New Testament 101 though. Maybe it's time to splinter off and write a new Holy Book like the Bible.

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>>139250799
Even if I had no faith, I would still support and practice the religious culture of my people as a foundation of identity and the family unit -- and general social order and morals. A man who is not accountable to God, whether as a concept or as a living Being, is little more than a beast.

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The X is for X-TREME!!!
We take communion with MONSTER ENERGY DRINKS while doing a kickflip, my dudes that's just how we roll.
Holy father who art TuBuLaR
gnarly be thy name

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>>139251117

Modernity is against us.

>>139250799
Thinking the Bible is a scientific textbook
What do Catholic anons think of Jordan Peterson? He was the one who got me back into thinking about faith, and then I started listening to Catholic Answers

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>>139250669
He's probably some kike that hates the SSPX kek.

I've never heard of any abuse cases within the SSPX in Holland except that one regular Catholic pedo priest joined the SSPX. He was quickly expelled once they found out he was smelling little boys booty holes.

>>139240067
Catholic here

Latin mass groups are the best part of the church right now. I HIGHLY recommend them to Catholics and to all Christians looking for the truth.

SSPX is moving away from schism..or at least its close to being in union...kinda murky and confusing

FSSP is within the church

SSPV is dangerous sede territory

>>139247790
Normally, catholics accept to share communion with orthodoxes, as they recognize the baptism of the Orthodox Church. However note that while the Orthodox Church usually does not forbid going to a Catholic Mass (especially if there are no Orthodox churches nearby) participating in a catholic communion is forbidden for orthodoxes. Furthermore I would advise you against participating in communion if you do not consider the eucharist to be the body of Christ.

I get the complaints on the Southern Baptists for example, like the "peckerwood" stuff (hatred of all alcohol, igornance, etc) but I still have to say they at least take a somewhat honest interpretation of the text. As in, they are pretty serious about that and don't play too many games which is respectable despite the weird alcohol hangup and other similar things) Now the Southern Baptists suffer from the same root problem as all denominations, a degenerate and sorry populace, however the Catholics, main liners, Presbyterians, etc. are so corrupted and pathetic from a theological standpoint it's sad. There are some Presbyterians that are still ok and some Catholics I'm sure, but the Catholics are either beaners or pinko leftists generally speaking, it's sad. The Southern Baptists might be peckerwood, but at least you won't see too many tranny pastors in little small Baptist churches and all. I mean at this point the main liners and the secular Catholics just need to go ahead and ditch the bible and just replace it with a little pamphlet that says "love, peace, and be a nice person plus gay rights." There is zero real doctrine for the main liners, and the Catholics are just this strange mix of old gaudy rituals and lefty nonsense and degeneracy plus beaners. If your after what I call "meme trappings I get the fancy Catholic stuff, but I think it's foolish imo. They are sort of a religion of nothingness these days, at the core, once you get passed the gold leaf and statues and costumes.

>>139240067
>The Anti-Defamation League describes SSPX as “mired in anti-Semitism.” The Southern Poverty Law Center ups the ante, calling “radical traditionalist Catholics” (including, prominently, SSPX members) “the single largest group of hard-core anti-Semites in America.”
>tfw atheist and will never join the single largest group of antisemites

>>139244956
Not really related but
French Flemish here. I'm thinking about going to the Netherlands or Flanders to live (next to a SSPX priory).
How cucked is your country (because here we have 20 millions of extra european) ?
Which kind of jobs can you get on the countryside ?

>>139252713
You must be from SC, or maybe Tennessee

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>>139240067
From what I can tell they're good.

>>139244920
You should look towards Christianity senpai. I would say something along the lines of Baptist. Catholicism is Carnel in practice and does not save your soul. Even after their outdated practice of drinking wine and eating crackers and confessing your sin to a priest, you are merely washed of your sin in the flesh, but your soul is still very unclean and in sin. You do NOT need a mediator between you and God. You ARE good enough to speak with Christ, and you ARE good enough in the Lord's eye.

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>>139253157
>Representing the Father

>>139252939
>French Flemish here.
That's a thing?

I thought Wallonia was a containment area for French Belgians.

>>139253158
If devout Protestants are heard by God I cannot imagine why He allowed the Confederate states to lose the war, and England to fall into such state of ruin in the 20th century.

>>139252939
We have 3 SSPX churces. Utrecht is degenerate. Leiden is conservative but you would never know it because there are so many students.

I can recommend Gerwen. It's in the country side and very few liberals or foreigners live there. Economy is doing fairly well. It depends what sector you're looking for work. It's also the main church of SSPX in Holland.

>>139253350
That's kind of off putting I'll admit.. The Father isn't even corporeal..

>>139252978
No. But I just think it's a shame there's not more practicing churches like the more conservative sect of the Presbyterians where you don't have to endure the backwater excesses of the Southern Baptists, but still don't have to be part of some leftist-augmented loose theology. Getting involved with the goofy costumes and trappings of Catholicism is not really an option either. So youre left with the Baptists as a result. For the record, I appreciate that the catholics are the theological ancestors of protestants, and I like certain parts of their service, like the more liturgical approach. I wish protestants would style their services that way, instead of having 30 minute mini-pope (pastor) sermons two or three times a week. Having said that, the Catholics have just abandoned too much of their doctrine and indulged too far in the fancy rituals etc.

>>139253685
So by that logic should Christianity have no institution or organization at all? I'm not trying to be contrarian, I just want to understand.

>>139253685

>Reminder that Catholicism is a practice in sin. You don't need a mediator between you and God, you don't need to commit "good works" as though it will purge your body of sin and misdeeds.

Perfect formula to create Lukewarm faggots.

>>139253473
There are many churches in today's sinful world that say they preach the word of Christ, but in actuality preach Carnel ways. This is way Methodists allow gays and women to become pastors. This is why people have such a distorted view of Christ. These are the same people that preach that "if you confess yourself to Christ, and believe in him, you will have an easy life and your sins will be washed away."
This is also where people see church as a judgemental place where people only feel as though they're "holier than thou."
Also, look to the book of Samuel, David was God's next appointed king after Saul, however Saul had pursued him EVERY DAY for TWELVE YEARS because he strayed from God. David strayed from God, went to the land of the philistines, dwelt with them and almost even went to battle with them, against Israel. The king denied David's request, and upon returning home found that EVERYTHING HE worked for was destroyed by the malachites. The Lord works with us, you cannot look to prospering nations and use that as an example as to why you should stray from God, because on the day of judgement, ALL NATIONS will be judged by Christ.

>>139247235
Dutch Reformed is one of the few I haven't tried but that's due to none being close to me. Out of all that I have visited Orthodox has been my favorite. Conservative Anglicans were pretty alright guys too but they're fighting a really uphill battle.

>>139247946
There are Christian Identity churches but they're small in number and usually in extremely rural areas. You'd be better off just joining independent Baptists or something and just believe Christian Identity on the side.

>>139254095
The trouble is I think this gives liscense for people to conjure all kinds of heresy and false beliefs trying to tailor the faith to their own liking. And I see protestants -- evangelicals in particular doing this the most. Especially with all this "New Age" bullshit.

The SSPX isn't a church. Its a society for priests. If you're confirmed by an SSPX priest, you're a member of the Catholic Church under Pope Francis. The SSPX position is: "The Catholic Church is the real Church, Francis is the real Pope, but because of all this Vatican II nonsense, we have a loophole under canon law where we can ignore them". According to Rome, this loophole doesn't exist, and SSPX sacrements are "valid" (i.e. the bread is really Jesus, the couple is really married, the priest is really ordained) but they are "illicit" in that they are being celebrated contrary to canon law (confession is licit, though, thanks to a recent decree by Pope Francis).

>>139244452
Francis cannot be an antipope because he was legitimately elected in the legitimate conclave. An actual antipope is basically just someone living in Arkansas who has convinced themselves that they are the official Pope. Where did this idea that antipope=Bad Pope come from? It's always been the equivalent of a pretender to the throne.

>>139253922
Christianity is the belief in Christ and the holy bible. The word in the bible is the proof that God is real. Catholics are not Christians. They split, just as the Jews did, prior to Christ being born. The time between the old testament and the stories of the new were about 400 years, and in that time catholics split from Judaism in their practices, and still went along with the first Tabernacle. The Jews adopted worldly ways, the Talmud. While Catholics and Jews and Christians worship the same God, Christians are the only saved of the three, because THEY accept the ONLY salvation (Christ dying on the cross for us).
The denominations of christianity merely came about because people interpret the words in the bible differently, and over time many started translating into sinful, Carnel ways.

>>139247111
What do you even think an anti-pope is?

>>139240067
Actually you DO NOT at all under any circumstances want to convert to catholicism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv2wUz_qrX4&t=601s

Go with the Orthodox, way cooler. Doesn't seem to have nearly as many pedophiles either.

>>139248204
Spoken like a guy who has no fucking clue what he's talking about

>>139254869
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bawden

>>139248945
Nice reach Protfag. Christ is saying "yeah that's all well and good, but you still need to do what my Dad saysl

>>139255569
Maybe you missed the word "RATHER" cathocuck?

>>139255694
Gotta go back to the original Greek or Aramaic for the right wording.. Who has it?

>>139253158
>You do NOT need a mediator between you and God.
Then what's the point in repentance if it's just "well I just had sex with 75 women, sorry God" while on your drive home? How demanding is that? How is that even the slightest bit difficult? Repentance should not be that easy, otherwise it becomes cheap, hollow

>>139240067
Pills, Pills, you motherfuckers sound like a goddamn tree full of parrots. STFU.

>>139254416
It's spelled "carnal," you dumb fuck.

>>139254869
Its the same logic as #notmypresident. Yes he is, he won in the electoral college. No you don't have to like him. Yes, if you break a law he signed you get fined or go to jail.

>>139255263
Exactly. He was not elected in the official conclave with the official smoke signals in the official Vatican in the official Vatican City in the official Italy. Ergo, he is not an official pope ergo, he is an anti-pope

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>Baptists: uhm, the Bible says Mary did not remain a virgin... why is that so important to you by the way?

>Cathocuck: SHE WAS A PURE VIRGIN GODDESS UNTIL HER DEATH!!!!! I DON'T CARE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>139256498
Not a goddess, never died, and the Bible never said anything of the sort about her not remaining a virgin.

>>139255569
Look the Catholics whole unlimited-payback plan is pretty sorry when you think about it. People should repent because they believe and they feel compelled to, if you just do a few Hail Marys and then go on, it kind of defeats the purpose in my mind. It probably encourages more sinning. Also it's something the cathaholic church basically just made up from whole cloth, it's not even really an interpretation thing. The text says time and time again that works won't get you into heaven, nor does it set up an earthly tax man.

>>139253158

Um, yeah I'm Catholic and I've never heard that I'm not good enough to pray directly to Christ even once.

I'm a convert and it's hilarious to see the difference between what I was told growing up Protestant about Catholics and how Catholics actually are.

>>139254476
That is what keeps me away from protestants, even when I know they have good intentions.

When I see people claiming obvious nonsense, exaggerations, taking about demonology, taking the bible literally... I don't want to take part in that madness. When you can pay to become a pastor. Hell no.

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>>139240067
>yes give us money so you dont burn in hell
>believing this

I really dislike catholicism because they are so entangled in their self made Saints, symbolism, their self made holidays, their self made miracles and dogmas.

>>139256587
So when Matthew 1:25 says "But he did not consummate their marriage UNTIL she gave birth to a son", it doesn't actually mean that?

I'll watch your squirm.

This SSPX sounds interesting, never heard of them before this thread

>>139256646
>yeah I'm Catholic and I've never heard that I'm not good enough to pray directly to Christ even once
Because modern catholicism is whatever floats your boat

Trinitarians ans unitarians clubbed each other to death, nowadays it's "eh, you think gays are not sinners and Muhammad went to heaven, eh, fine with me"

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>>139253479
I spotted this one yeah, since I'd prefer the countryside it's nice to know that.
Do you know if working as a butcher is something that can go well ? In terms of employability. I know thati n France there's a kind of shortage on butchers so they tend to search a lot but I don't know the Dutch situation.

>>139253431
well, we do have a part of the bigger Flemish territory.

>>139256644
The penance prayers aren't the point. It's actively making the effort to admit personally to another what your sins are as you absolutely do not want to tell anyone what horrible things you have done. God already knows everything you have done and just looking to the sky while sitting in a boat on the lake and quietly mumbling to yourself about it has absolutely no demand from you. Spiritually, it's like shitposting on 4chan vs actually telling someone your opinion in person

>>139254476
Why on earth would you follow New Age heretics? Go to a baptist church and follow the Bible. It's really not that complicated. The modern Catholic church is just as cucked as the satanic protestant denominations that love fags. The difference is that most Protestants actually believe in the Bible. Their heresies is something they'll have to reconcile. Catholics flat out don't care about the Bible and just do the opposite because it's "sacred tradition".

>>139249450
the Orthodox ARE Catholic, they are just in an imperfect communion. Make a declaration of faith and that's all it takes to be in full communion.

>>139256813
Protestants many times have replaced the pope with their own small regional popes called pastors ministers and preachers. You shouldn't be surprised that you see more variance, more wackos etc. You also shouldn't be surprised if you see more honest interpretations of the text, and more well meaning people. The Catholic church is a big monstrosity at this point, and if it sells up any more of its doctrine to stay pc, it will have nothing left to stand on.

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>>139255694
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>>139257332
>>139255694
>>139255997

>>139256813
This..

So many evangelicals live in this constant paranoid state.. Every weird noise coming from their car engine is a demon trying to keep them from church, every tax return they get in the mail is an angelic miracle. It's like so many of them have just degenerated into animism..

>>139244956
Lol dude no way me too sometimes

>>139240067

SSPX members make up the bulk of Generation Identity in France. Great bunch of Lads.

>>139240067
See the catholicism as organized crime in politics
Many shady things happen for the sake of profit, but you won't ever be able to prove that. Whereas this is clearly a manifestation of degeneracy, it shelters the religious' core from the external manifestation of the today's degeneracy we're all so accustomed to see

>>139253350
>tfw the agnus dei was included in the mass just to piss off the Byzantines who screeched about Jesus being depicted as a lamb

>>139244253
Nope theyre both good. Rome approves

>>139257042
Cute surface reading.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-case-for-marys-perpetual-virginity

>>139254447
Anglicans are not an apostolic church and have invalid sacraments, Catholicism and Orthodoxy are the only real choices.

>>139257390
>>139257332
Thanks.. That seems pretty straightforward.. What do Catholic anons say in response to this? This seems to pretty bluntly denounce veneration of Mary.

>>139241467
meanwhile less people attend church every year
stop lying

>>139256587
The bible was CLEAR that Jesus had actual blood brothers.

The only way this is possible is that Joseph, Marry's Husband, Jesus' adoped father, took another wife and just decided to leave Marry's pussy like 100% pure and virginal for no particular reason.

>>139257473
>muh conspiracies
So why is it that it is technically illegal for Mexican priests to wear their clerics in public if the Catholic Church allegedly rules everything?

>>139257565
I'll stick to what my Bible says, but thanks anyway.

>>139257183
I disagree, its an entirely ritual procedure, that simply puts things in the way of personal reflection on your sins between you and God. Now it's not like blasphemy-
I get what you're saying, but the point is time and time again the Catholic pathology is doctoring up what should be a straightforward and simple theology with all sorts of obstacles and foolish little symbolic decorations which just get in the way. Taken as a whole that tendency is a real problem for me.

>>139257819
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-case-for-marys-perpetual-virginity

>>139257649
why trust an individuals interpretation that isn't infallible when there is the authority of the church founded by Christ and given the authority to interpret scripture?

>>139257819
He'll probably give you a link to an essay from the High Priests about how what the Bible SAYS isn't actually what it MEANS. You see, you need a clerical council to tell you what the Bible says!

Now take a guess why Catholics insisted on have sermons in Latin that no one could understand. They forbade biblical translations even though the Bible says it can be used in any language.

Satanic.

>>139257848
Well, at least you should consider the reasons of your opponents. In every field.

It's what logical and reasonable people do.

>>139257861
Taken as a whole, eschewing it is a real problem for me. We are flesh, God knows we are flesh and became flesh to help make redemption physical, real.

To completely avoid all that "doctored up obstacles and foolish little symbolic decorations" is to completely avoid your nature as flesh. Flesh is not evil, for God created flesh and actively desired us to be flesh. It is the heresy of the gnostics to eschew the physical world like that

>>139256587
It is implied in that Jesus had siblings via Mary and Joseph as mentioned by related texts and parts of the Bible and apocryphal texts most people don't have read to them on Sunday (you know, the few chapters that get rehashed to death by preachers and priests).

>>139257938

Matthew 23:8-10 NASB — “But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. “Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.

What makes you believe anyone has authority to interpret? I don't subscribe to sola scriptura, but I do believe all traditions must agree with the Scripture. The Scripture says plainly that there is no earthly authority over Scripture for obvious reasons. Scripture is the word of God, and Christ is our authority.

>>139257900
>Scripture’s statement that Joseph "knew [Mary] not until she brought forth her firstborn" would not necessarily mean they did "know" each other after she brought forth Jesus. Until is often used in Scripture as part of an idiomatic expression similar to our own usage in English. I may say to you, "Until we meet again, God bless you." Does that necessarily mean after we meet again, God curse you? By no means.
Little weak

>>139257146
https://www.indeed.nl/m/viewjob?jk=1ea014c52ade4a38&advn=6765762425788167&from=serp&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indeed.nl%2Fjob%2Fslager-1ea014c52ade4a38&desth=b9895e94b5033d6b3c31b90052b1cbe5&prevUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.indeed.nl%2Fm%2Fjobs%3Fq%3Dslager%26l%3D%26from%3DsearchOnSerp&dupclk=0&acatk=1boikg7m692gu8v7&pub=6917c08ec3ecf6012dd26f3773156e870cace3277f6b99df

This is a vacancy very close to Gerwen. There's no mention of a butcher shortage in the Dutch press, only in Belgium. There's definitely demand though.

>>139258190
To have an official "temple language" so that everything is 100% uniform? You act as though no one was taught what the Latin words meant.

And how ironic that you hate on the Catholic Church will bearing the Templar flag

>>139258273
I've read most of the stuff on Catholic.com. Imagine my shock when they need a large essay to explain clear biblical doctrine.

When the Bible says that "Joseph didn't consummate his marriage to Mary until she had a son", they'd have you believe that what it actually says is "Joseph never consummated his marriage to Mary". Tough luck for Joseph, he thought he was getting married, lol!

Same thing with the veneration of Mary. There is literally a passage in the Bible where some blesses Mary for the first time, and JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF literally walks up to her and says, YE RATHER, BLESSED ARE THOSE THAT HEAR THE WORD OF GOD AND KEEP IT! Catholics will have you believe that Jesus didn't rebuke her... he just kinda told her to also hear the Word of God. Silliness.

As far as Jesus' brothers and sisters, Catholics will go to great lengths to debunk the clear biblical doctrine that Jesus had half-siblings. You'll probably find an equally long essay invoking the Greek or something. Idiocy.

>>139257841
>Mexican
the fuck do I know about mexicans? The catholic church doesn't rule shit but the catholic church himself. It's under everybody's eyes that something reeks of rotten but idgaf until they are our cultural roots

>>139256016
The proof of God is that we live in the word of God through his commandment. John 14:21-28 shows us this.

>>139258640
1 Timothy 3:15

"if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth."

>>139257405
Then I might've seen you. Pater de Beer haalt me op in Den Bosch vanuit Gerwen en ik rijd met hem mee.

Stupid schismatic movement. I was part of it for a while. It's hard to explain, but there position is inherently contradictory. To be a traditional catholic, one must follow the pope. In their attempt to hold to Catholic tradition, they've rejected the most important tradition of Catholicism, i.e., Papism.

Study the early church. Become Orthodox. Go to Rocor.

>>139240067
Easy solution. After several Cardinals questioned the Pope on what his intentions were in writing Amoris Laetitae, he responded, and his responses made it very clear he was going against canon law and the foundations of the Church, thereby making him a de facto heretic, and through that, as Catholics we do not have to abide by his teachings until he reverses his stance.

>>139240067
That's a meme. He actually was rewarded after war for helping to hide Jews. Whole story originates from a book.

>>139256169
Whoops. Autocorrect doesn't catch that. But you understood what I meant.

>>139258858
can you stop with this autistic bullshit

>>139258491
Look bud, let's keep this real simple. The funny costumes, flying buttresses, hand symbols, etc. they've gone too far. It distracts people. Once upon a time it stirred in people a sense of the sublime- of awe, however now people are much harder to impress and it there is no purpose behind the ritual other than tradition. It's all misguided, it just gets in the way of the religious text which was the point all along.

Catholics aren't Christians. It's a weird cult where Jesus is just a secondary character. And pretty much everything he said is ignored or even specifically opposed.

>>139258565
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-case-for-marys-perpetual-virginity

Language translation isn't 1:1

>>139259100
Examples?

>>139259100
t. (((usury))) enabler

>>139258680
Not really, he makes a point that scripture is not written with modern linguist sensibilities of "in your face everything is literal"

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>>139257690
What does it matter if less people are attending Novus Ordo, trad mass is what's important. Pic related is just the tip of the iceberg by the way, tons of priests offer trad mass that aren't on the official roster

>>139240067
orthodoxy or you're a faggot

>>139258950
Cool, I'm an expat and come once or twice a month, cool to have crossed paths
The service is really beautiful

>>139258962
We're not schismatics.

>>139258704
Thanks a lot, I'll have to learn the language first so I think it'll take a couple of years but I'll keep the website name for when I'll need it.

>>139259432
I enjoy the Latin Mass, because it allows traditional Catholics, no matter your nation or language, to come together. Only problem is that it's hard to come by.

>>139258771
>Imagine my shock when they need a large essay to explain clear biblical doctrine.
Probably because you assume that a book written in a different time, in a different culture, with different ways of writing should be easy to understand to someone from several millennia in the future who is from a culture where everything is expected to be laid out is blatantly as possible with absolutely no need to go deeper into abstract symbolism or metaphor.

The Bible is not that simple, just like the Epic of Gilgamesh is not that simple.

>>139259432
I love the but aesthetic isn't everything. even the novus ordo has better aesthetic than 1-3rd century liturgies.

>>139259494
Yeah it's very impressive. Including the choir in the back. Too bad there was no Mass today.

>>139259189
Just off the top of my head:
And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
Matthew 23:9

The priests of the RCC are called father. And of course the pope means father.

>>139259100
This. Catholicism is a spin-off on Babylonian mysticism. Do people seriously think that Catholics worship Mary as a virgin goddess because it's in the Bible? Of course not.

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>>139258656
>called Peter to be his chief shepherd

1 Peter 5:1-5 NASB — Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed, shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness; nor yet as lording it over fnthose allotted to your charge, but fnproving to be examples to the flock. And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading fncrown of glory. You younger men, likewise, be subject to your elders; and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, for GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.

2 things: Peter exhorts FELLOW elders, and chief shepherd (the ONLY use of shepherd with more authority than any other) is clearly referring to Jesus

No Protestant I've met denies the authority of the apostles. The point of protestantism is that the words of Jesus and the writings of the apostles obviously have authority over any other man.

Give me a single reason that the church's tradition at any point in history could stand opposed to the words of the apostles themselves, let alone Jesus.

Yes, Jesus did actually say not to call a man teacher or father. If you disagree, you're disagreeing with The Word himself.

>>139259719
well then I guess you better stop calling your dad father and stop celebrating father's day

>>139256016
Also, the price of repentance isn't cheap. Christ was the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. And life is never easy, sin and tribulations are always with you wherever you go, but when you walk with the Lord your burden is lifted.

>>139259614
The Bible is God's perfect word, purified seven times. If you can't read a very clear Bible verse and understand what it means, but need to re-interpret it to fit your own preconception of what it should mean according to church tradition, then you've clear strayed away from the Word of God, and towards the traditions of man.

>>139258886
Well then what's the point? How was it a challenge to "take up your cross" and follow me then if you describe it is being so easy you can put it in the back of your mind?

>>139259699
Cheers, off for the night now
God bless!

>>139257463
For us Catholic Southerners, is SSPX the way to go? The Church is too ingrained in our culture to just do away with it.

>>139259894
It's father as a title.

>>139240067
What are their chances of actually gaining control of the church?

>>139260072
yeah and calling your father 'father' is a title given for being your male biological parent

>>139259719
Easily dismissed as an error in translation, and the fact Jesus sometimes used rather roundabout language. More than likely, he's referring to not having false gods.

>>139259822
>catholics worship Mary as a goddess
We dont tho

>>139260037

Not sure, mate. I live in Barcelona - the church here is cucked beyond all belief. The only thing I should be doing it working, and letting migrants sleep in my house, and eat my food according the the priests here.

So I went down the the SSPX sermon, and it was in an odd apartment building near enough to the Nou Camp. Basically, treated me like a spy. Very very very odd experience. I've heard it's different in Ireland and France.

But I'm all for Generation Identity, and the SSPX make up a bunch of the French branch. My understanding is they own the land where they do their "training camps" as well.

So to be honest, Senpai. I have no fucking idea.

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>>139260363
it's no is arguing with them, once someone places human opinion over God's designated authority anything can be justified. although ironically through working with the RCIA program I've noticed that the most obstinate Protestants end up becoming Catholics.

>>139260213
I like how you're being willfully dense. Should serve you well in the RCC.
>>139260281
>Easily dismissed as an error in translation
Such a good little papist. The Bible is wrong, not the church. Nice.

>>139258238
It's quite an achievement, but that it honestly the most stupid image I've ever seen on /pol/

>>139260037
Yeah it pretty much is. Unless you wanna go full jihadi and become sedesvacantist.

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>>139260628
When prods can't into logic it drives me mad

>>139260628
lmao how am I being willfully dense? how is 'father' not a title when referring to your biological parent? this is a stupid argument just like how proddies screech over having images in church and then turn around and put up a nativity display.

>>139259858
Jesus is the chief Shepard, but this does not refute a papacy since the pope is not just "boss" he is the Vicar of Christ, so yes that section you quoted fits, also all Pope's are jubect to concern and council of Cardinals, saints, or any other group that is qualified to do so.

>>139240067
THEY ALLOW NONWHITES TO JOIN

FUCK THEM
>>139241467
People of pure origins don't believe much

>>139260627
>>>139260363
>it's no is arguing with them, once someone places human opinion over God's designated authority anything can be justified

The irony is astounding

>>139260906
There is no human authority over god, wtf are you talking about?

>>139260778
>go full jihadi and become sedesvacantist
sounds hilarious

>>139260037
Gonna give the French SSPX credit they think very low of immigrants including those from Portugal, Italy and Spain

>>139259951
The day you can prove god but until then the bible is just a collection of fiction and stories cut to control the masses.

>>139260906
not really, the Bible can be interpreted billions of different ways depending on each person, how is it far fetched that the church that existed as the only church for 1,500 years and was founded by apostles has the authority to interpret scripture?

>>139260627
Raised protestant. Converted catholic

>>139260628
Actually, it's humans that are wrong, because humans are the ones who translated it.

>>139240067
This is the true Catholicism before the freemasons took over the Holy See.

>>139257690
That's true neither in absolute number nor in terms of global population.
It's true in Western Yurop and that's about it.

>>139257602
LOL sure. Keep longing for a church that waffles on in Latin which you don't understand while we put Shakespeare's own language to beautiful use in the KJV and BCP.

Also, XXXIX Articles > Trent, faggot

>>139248718
>Catholics won't share communion with you until you commit to the Catholic Church.
Most won't check your Catholic credentials if you just show up.

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>>139259044
>The funny costumes,
Clerics.
>flying buttresses,
Artistic architecture done to draw your eye toward beauty and thus toward God because God is beauty. I have been to both the Catholic Cathedral and a Presbyterian Church, the latter was incredibly bland, it was just an empty room with very little color or anything to say this was a special, holy place.

>hand symbols, etc.
What hand symbols? You mean the sign of the cross?

>they've gone too far.
I beg to differ, I would say they haven't gone far enough considering the rise of traditional Latin mass where such "unnecessary things?" Perhaps that rendering temples sterile renders faith sterile and God knows we need such things? Why else would he have the Ark of the covenant be made of gold and have angels adorning it? Or having his temple priest square such extravagant "funny costumes?"

It distracts people. Once upon a time it stirred in people a sense of the sublime- of awe, however now people are much harder to impress and it there is no purpose behind the ritual other than tradition. It's all misguided, it just gets in the way of the religious text which was the point all along.

Could someone give me a quick rundown on SSPX?

>>139261063
>You must prove your claims but I don't need to prove mine
Typical athecuck logic

>>139260627
>I've noticed that the most obstinate Protestants
They love the Word of God and want to read it. Stop preventing them.

This is why I'm against study Bibles and footnote Bibles. People should read their Bible and have their alone-time with the Lord. They shouldn't have some pedophile Catholic priest tell them what the word of God "actually" means.

READ YOUR BIBLE, SIR!

>>139261224
This guy gets it.

>>139261047
So they're nativists? Sounds based.

>>139261144
We should ask someone who natively speaks aramaic to interpret it for us then

We can surely find one or two around

...

>>139260443
I'm sorry you had a shitty experience. The church I go to is stunning and I was welcomed with open arms by SSPX.

>>139261032
I went to a sedesvacantist church in Holland. They're not violent but they're so rigid that they have a hard time finding priests subscribing their beliefs that will perform Mass. They are very nostalgic about the crusades and anti-Islam so who knows?

>>139261440
Do you want heresy? Because that's how you get heresy

>>139261464
True Catholicism is nativist. It's included in the 4th comandement.

>>139260872
>>>139259858 (You)
>Jesus is the chief Shepard, but this does not refute a papacy since the pope is not just "boss" he is the Vicar of Christ

Where did Jesus or the apostles ever speak of this vicarship?

>>139261019
Why do you give authority to man when the word of God says there is no such thing? You have ascribed authority to traditions and organizations of man despite the Word.

>>139261101
and was founded 300 years after the apostles*

Do you just accept first and second century church history as fact without investigating it yourself? Even the Catholic church has contradictory history on the "succession of power" in those times.

Honestly do a study on the complete secular history of the Catholic church. It's nothing but atrocity after atrocity. For example, why would the church kill translators when Jesus said explicitly to study his word?

Is anyone surprised that Catholics forbade people from reading the Bible? They knew that if people actually opened their Bible, the Catholic house of cards would come tumbling down.

READ YOUR BIBLES!

>>139240067
Are SSPX and FSSP sacraments valid? Are they in Communion with Rome?

I'm asking this as a Catholic because I would like to attend one of their services someday.

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>>139261556
>Yeah, listen to the pedophile high priests. The Holy Ghost that indwells you doesn't matter!!!!

>>139261440
It's not even bait at this point, how come people got you so many (you)s?

>>139245210
Tackar

>>139261464
Their leadership used to be and even gave a huge support to early Nazi/collaborator filled Front National. Members are still nativistic, but leadership is cucked

>>139259822
What sources do you have outside of Hislop's book saying that? And how many of those sources just go right back to that book? How many secular archaeologists are there that study ancient Mesopotamia are able to back you up on this?

>>139261664
SSPX partially. Valid but until recently not licit. Now they're licit for the most part but you should consult your SSPX parish.

FSSP is 100% valid and licit.

>>139261618
>Where did Jesus or the apostles ever speak of this vicarship
Peter, you are the rock upon which I build my church...
>why is your church a structured hierarchy modeled after the kingdom of heaven

>>139261618
It's already in that screen cap, which means you never read it.

>>139261664
>SSPX
Valid but illicit
> FSSP
Valid, literally made as a way to re-integrate SSPX back into the Church's hierarchy.

>>139259945
But what's stopping the self righteousness of just confessing to the sky? At least when you go to the sacrament of reconciliation, you have to actually tell someone what you have done. Not to mention it actually requires you to go somewhere.

Protestant ideas of mercy just always come across as far to simple and exploitable. Since, you know, if you actively have to tell someone every single week at a certain time what you've done that week, you begin to be more aware of it and more accountable for your actions, desiring to avoid them less. Not to mention the belief that you get Grace from going to confession that helps make it easier to not sin

>>139240067
>www.salon.com

Don't believe anything this website every says, they're like an extremist version of CNN. Their aim is to make anyone who opposes them look more dangerous while making SJW's, Islam, communism, etc look harmless.

>>139262093
I thought pope Francis revalidated SSPX sacraments?

>>139260628
>Such a good little papist. The Bible is wrong, not the church. Nice.
You have no idea how translation works, do you? It's shockingly easy to make such simple errors in translation

The best cure for Catholicism? Read the Bible.

>tfw want to become Anglican but they are too cucked

I just want to venerate English folk saints senpai

>>139262093
>>139262215
He did. I think the only problem is with marriages now, they're licit but they need some sort of convalidation with the diocese or some shit.

>>139261627
There is no evidence that the church forbid people from reading the Bible. The closest you can get is forbidding them to interpret for them selves the Bible.

Which makes sense, otherwise you get people reading the book of Joshua and thinking it's OK to go commit genocide

>>139262508
The Bible isn't nothing but wet paper outside the Catholic Church.

>>139262215
They are valid like I said, but their illicit status is not entirely resolved and the issue is really going out in the weeds with Canon Law at this point.

FSSP is perfectly fine.

>>139241467
>SSPX
something about that statement bothers the fuck out of me.
Jesus and the disciples were not revolutionaries. They were the exact opposite.
The jews were looking for a violent Messiah to free them from Roman rule-- god gave them a Messiah but not one they were expecting. He did not want to overturn the worldly order.
Revolutionaries are always Jews

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>>139262612
Why is that, what's the explanation they give for it?
>>139262676
This

>>139261627
That's false. In fact the Scriptures were translated into vernacular languages centuries before Luther's revolution.

People just didn't know how to read for the most part.

>>139262612
What the fuck does that mean?

>>139261361
>It distracts people. Once upon a time it stirred in people a sense of the sublime- of awe, however now people are much harder to impress and it there is no purpose behind the ritual other than tradition. It's all misguided, it just gets in the way of the religious text which was the point all along.
Forgot to actually answer this one.
You may say that, but the mass is not there to impress you. You are there to impress it.

>>139261968
That doesn't imply anything more than apostolic authority

>>139261986
I addressed the screencap. Peter himself says Jesus is the chief shepherd.

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>>139240067
>Catholics
>not cucks

>"but how do I DEUSVULT without being a cuck?"
Start your own church.

>"Fuck you anon I tried really hard and I'm fucking Mormon now"
Well Christianity just sucks, then. Sorry.

>>139262676
It's good that at least some of you are not afraid to admit it.

>>139262810
> He did not want to overturn the worldly order
What are you talking about, yes he did. He sought to banish the dark deceit which ruled the world and bring in the light of truth

>>139240067
Read "An Open Letter to Confused Catholics" by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and you will be red-pilled on SSPX.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://fsspx.uk/sites/sspx/files/an_open_letter_to_confused_cath_-_archbishop_marcel_lefebvre.pd_.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwi3pL7ao_jVAhVM6CYKHXjQCi8QFgglMAA&usg=AFQjCNE5LRXJSRhF7uAnCphqLA2-Xf1aCQ

>>139240067
How about you actually form your own beliefs according to what you believe is beneficial/cultivating or not like an actual grown up rather than following cults in order for them to tell you what to believe like a child incapable of making his own decisions and needing a slave master to tell him what to do and what not! Especially since the cult you're talking about has definite and easily tracable Jewish roots

>>139262891
>and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven
Affirms apostolic succession.
The Church and its clergy are the successors of the apostles

>>139262831
>>139262866
Not sure. They're all 100% valid, they've always been. They were ilicit because the Holy See unauthorized them.

But the hole point of the SSPX is that the Holy See has no such disciplinar authority insofar they don't embrace Tradition again.

At the moment Francis has allowed them to give confesion licitly, and I think Masses too but I'm not sure.

But they're valid and as far as I can tell, the SSPX laits live their sacramental lives without much troubles.

>>139262984
Well you now know. If you don't wanna read just wet paper, become Catholic, which is what the Scriptures are meant for.

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>>139263105
>How about you actually form your own beliefs according to what you believe is beneficial/cultivating or not like an actual grown up rather than following cults in order for~
Stopped reading there. Hard. Way too hard.

"Few drives in a human can surpass his drive for finding an idol to kneel for"
t. Dostoyevsky.

>>139251152
It's already written senpai...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf

>>139251152
>Cultural Marxism is New Testament 101 though
The opposite. Cultual Marxism is about defining yourself in regards of your subjective feelings (e. g. I feel like a woman so I'm a woman and nobody can judge me).

The NT is about rejecting your falsehoods and accepting the objective light of Christ or else go to hell.

>>139263480
reminder that Dostoevsky was a devout orthodox Christian and his works are pro-Christianity even though lying kikes misrepresent them

People seem to think that we hate Catholics. We don't.

If the Catholic church actually believed what the Bible said and didn't contradict it in almost every major ritual and doctrine -- then we would be fine with the Catholic church.

Unfortunately, Catholics CONTRADICT the Bible. They GO AGAINST GOD'S WORDS!

Jesus says don't venerate Mary, he says she didn't die a virgin, he says baptize by submersion, he says don't baptize babies, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU MAYEST!

>>139251152
>Cultural Marxism is New Testament 101 though

I don't think you know what that word means.

Cultural Marxism is a buzzword for Postmodernism (specifically Post-Structuralism), and has nothing to do with the New Testament.

>>139258973
Typical internationalist christian, helping anti-whites and sabotaging any European efforts!

Not every Catholic likes every pope. Throughout history there have been far shittier Popes.

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Christ alone is the way.

Church in all its form is a disease.

Check out Pope Paul's audience hall..says a lot about who catholicucks are really worshipping.

>>139263993
That's kinda true. Dostoyevsky was a zealously devout Christian... but was also shitting regularly on the Orthodox Church. Kinda like Tolstoi.

But what's more important - they both were pretty much PROUD to be cucks in every possible and imaginable way. Hardcore pacifism, "always turn the other cheek" and all that stuff. Not DEUSVULT at all.

Considering the Pope said that migrant rights trump national security concerns, I can say that this pope is a false pope who is not infallible. After saying something like this, he is now partially to blame for all the inevitable mass terror attacks that will happen.

This pope will go to hell.

>>139264018
This is true. I want my Catholic brothers and sisters to be saved. Read the Bible. Throw off the mental and spiritual shackles the RCC has put you in

>>139263042
tl;dr

>>139264018
The Bible is not the Word of God. Christ is the Word of God, and the Catholic Church is Jesus Christ. That "religion of the book" idea is mahomedian, not Christian (not at least present in the first 1500 years of Christendom).

The Bible is nothing but a subset of Catholicism. It's impossible by definition for the Catholic Church to contradict the Bible, since the Bible only exists within the Catholic Church and for her. The idea that the Bible is somehow the supreme rule of faith over the Church is modern. By definition, your personal interpretation of the Bible is what is wrong.

You're free to believe me or not, but at least you'll understand why biblical arguments against Catholics are 100% a waste of times and a contradiction itself.

>>139264579
Popes aren't infallible. They, in very specific occasions, can participate in the charisma of Infallibilty that belongs to the Church as a whole. The 99.9% of the times Popes are expected to be good teachers and rules (unlike Francis, I agree), but not 100% infallibles.

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>>139264018
>People seem to think that we hate Catholics. We don't.
>proceeds to make shit up that justifies hating of us

>>139264315
>Christ alone is the way.
>Church in all its form is a disease
And upon this rock I will build my church.

>>139259044
>>139259044
>there is no purpose behind the ritual other than tradition
And that is bad how? You sound like a run-of-the-mill progressive. No wonder protestantism is called the father of atheism.

>>139264018
>he says she didn't die a virgin
Wrong. The "brothers and sisters" of Jesus have their own mother, mentioned in the New Testament (which is the Virgin Mary's sister, Mary of Clopas). In fact the Bible doesn't have a specific word for carnal brother or sister, it usually means cousin or just relative.

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>>139241467
Absolutely.
>protestant convert, abandoned Novus Ordo, exclusive TLM attendee
>married, five kiddos

>>139264911
>doesn't understand how hijacking works the post.
>doesnt understand infiltration the post.
>simple minded single meaning the post.
>ignores blatant physical evidence the post.

Romans 1:22
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools

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>Catholics are idol worshippers!

>Unlike the Orthodox!

>>139264819
KEK saved.

>>139264803
>>139265024
I never realized Catholics were so fallen.

>>139263105
You sound like some hippie college girl. "We don't need, like, structures, man." This is the kind of spoiled brat me-first thinking that lead to the mess we're in to begin with.

>>139247020
Tradition predates the writing of the gospels.
>>139248014
Yeah man, based Protestant only read the Bible...except the parts that disagree with them. Who needs James anyways?!?

>>139253158
>Just think good thoughts and you'll be saved, goys! Who needs to work at being a good person. It's not like Christ proved his divinity with works...

>>139256312
No it's not the same logic. Bergoglio is a heretic and is anathema to the Church and its teachings. He cannot be regarded as an authority for teaching directly against the church.

>>139256644
Contrition requires sorrow and a genuine desire to better yourself and cleanse your intention of the desire to disobey God and His commandments. What really doesn't make sense is thinking yourself into salvation.

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>>139265106
>"Church in all its form is a disease."
>Christ actively said he was going to create a church
>"no it doesn't count because it was all not counting because it doesn't count day mentioned it doesn't count???

>>139257565
This is a horrible explanation. And it's wrong. Joseph obviously had a nother wofe before Mary, making Jude and James his step brothers

>>139240067
>muh degeneracy
lmao

>>139258970
I'm not going to acknowledge it if anyone asks, but you pretty much sum up what I am personally thinking.

>>139261722
What, haven't the last several hundred years proven the other anon correct?

United Christendom is shattered; And Secularism reigns supreme. Meanwhile fundamentalism is rising again in Islam, and the west is not united to fight them off.

>>139265708
Correction, it was the college hippies that stole Nietzschean mentality and made it about avoiding taking responsibility and morality in life using the percieved inexistence of God as a justification. It was turning the idea of the Ubermensch into the absolute opposite, a slave-morality untermesch(basically a leftist). The original idea was about building a man who could take his life into his own hands and not grovel to Yanweh (Christians) or the Government (leftists) when you want something to happen to you. Other than pointing out that commie hippies have criminally stolen the idea, can you poke any holes in it? Why do you need an angry jewish god with a stick behind you to keep you in check and tell you what is moral or not (in the same time stripping you of all individual initiative and ambition).

>>139263219
I give to THEE the keys of the kingdom of heaven. THOU art Peter and and upon THIS rock I shall build my Church. Both singular senpai. He's talking to Peter here. Again you still have not read the screencap since it has more bible verses to quote

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>>139265308
BASED ORTHODOX

>>139264018
Blablablabla semitic religions need to be all wiped off the face of the earth

>>139266645
This guy gets it!

>>139266604
Why do you believe that you, a Temporel being with a finite existence, should be the arbiter of morality?

>>139266631
I wouldn't laugh about it desu; The Schism was a mistake and the fourth crusade lead to half of Europe being raped by Turks

>>139264018
>not a Catholic
>uses D.V. flag with St. Peter's Keys
You heretics are really a funny bunch

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>>139265837
It's right in front of you and you can't see it.
Every single time you look.
It perverts your senses.
You are addicted to it.
You actively defend it.
You are of your father and your father is NOT God.

>>139261722
>two people of separate churches claim that the Holy Spirit indwelling in them has shown them the true meaning of scripture and that the other's is wrong
Which one is right?
Protestants literally have no argument for the validity of their belief structure over other Protestants. Simply quoting scripture and then giving their interpretation of it is what has led to the thousands of splinter cults that have popped up in the last 500 years.

>>139266852
Who said I laugh at this? It only shows those muh based orthodoxy fags that this couldn't be farther from reality. Also, those are usually protestants who have no idea how superstitious the Orthodox are.

>>139267000
My father is a man, not a sky wizard

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>>139267000
See, when do you spout off like that you kind of sound like an asshole not worth listening too.

>>139266852
>the fourth crusade lead to half of Europe being raped by Turks

I'm not defending the Fourth Crusade, but Byzantine backstabbing and skullduggery fucked them over in the long run.

The Latins only participated because of the colossal unstable power vacuum that was the Byzantine Empire.

>>139266852
The seige by the Turkroaches was literally hundreds of years later. There was time to recover but typical Greece chose to focus on infighting.

>>139265024
This.

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>>139267273
>I'm out of arguments so heres a weak ad hominem

wake up.

>Its a "Protestants can't stop being assblasted at Catholics" episode

>>139267487
>what was the Seljuk Sultanate for 100

>>139267823
Brother it's in their blood to be revolutionaries and shake their fist at authority.

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>>139267000
>>139267273
Also, the all-seeing eye predates anything occultism, mitres aren't even Babylonian in origin (they actually originate as a mix of Israelite high priest turbans mixed with Byzantine court official garb), and that stick refers to the Nehushtan and is more of an Orthodox deal than anything else. Besides, do you take umbridge with the caduceus?

>>139267564
>out of arguments
>meanwhile I post pictures with dubious origins, not actually addressing what any of the iconography means or what cultural connotations they may have carried at their different printings throughout history and instead juxtapose them as a way to say that just because organizations use similar shapes, it must mean they are working in cahoots
>i'm totally not grasping at straws here guys

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>>139267823
Protties need to read some Scott Hahn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTMX4C169bg

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>>139267564
It's not really an ad hominem, you're just spouting off long strings of accusatory words. That doesn't really convince anyone of anything.

Also if you are that triggered by smug faces, why go on this site?