Civic nationalism vs. ethnic nationalism. YOU MUST CHOOSE NOW.

>>139181126
ethnic nationalism
i'm going to /thread my own post to save time

/thread

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I choose....
A happening on this night...

>>139181277
Checked

>>139181126

for you as a nation of mutts there is either extensive race mixing so you all look the same poo brown and can then choose ethnic nationalism or civic nationalism with segregation.

>>139181126
Mayweather looks really stoked to be there with President Trump.

>>139181126
Civic.

>>139181126
>>>139109021
muh this is not the sports board retards

>>139181126
If i have to choose betwen a potato nigger and a nigger i have to pick the one who is a Trump supporter.

>>139181513
hes conservative, self made millionaire (owns his own promotion), no tattoos, doesnt drink or smoke, proud father, committed to his craft, proud of his country

potato nigger, on the otherhand, is an immigrant, millennial with shit tattoo and reddit beard and sense of style

>>139181729
don't try and stuff all that BBC down your face at once

>>139181126
Let the states decide

>implying nigs, spics, and asians will look out for white interests

Ethnic.

>>139182488

And all those White liberals in America sure are looking out for your interest right?

kys

>Irish people
>white

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>>139182594

>>139182640

These days a lot more white than you pakistan

>inb4 the inbred island monkey uses his impotent mongol meme
Still more white than you will ever be.

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>>139181126
Nationalism is for brainlets.
Globalism is the true redpill.

Just like race mixers get hung first so do traitors and Mcgregor is a filthy cuck soy boy.

>>139182900
Globalism is fine if its under a just rule, not the (((elites)))

>>139181126
Civic nationalism but with the goal of increasing the white share of the population. Canada is cucked but the states could easily ensure that whites don't become a minority and a solid permanent 75% white population.

All it would take would be some minor policy tweaking to raise the white birthrate ( hint tax program for people who live in rural (the places that are mostly white) areas). Deporting most of the illegal immigrants and common sense immigration reform that cuts the number of immigrants and ensures that the majority of them are from European countries.

Unlike the larpers this is 1) actually achievable and 2) would be reasonable popular with the general public if articulated correctly

>>139181126
Civic, muh skin nationalism is turbo-gay

>>139181126
Civic nationalism (because Americans) but with border policy similar to that of ethnic nationalist states.

>>139181126
Civic. I know it sounds dumb and reddity, but not every subhuman is a cancer, and i don't know how the Lord would feel about their genocide. Sending them to reeducation camps might work.

>>139182900
Correct. Fuck white nationalism. We need Aryan global imperium

Civic. NEXT QUESTION.

>>139183332
>it's all about the colour of your skin
thats not what ethnic nationalism is you fucking faggot amerimutt, but what do you know you are the inventors of the fucking muh white meme.

>>139181126
ethnic

>>139183399
>the lord
Kill yourself nigger

>>139183216
That's just ethnic nationalism by way of baby steps, which is what all ethnic nationalists except for the Nazi Larpers advocate.

>>139181729
I see you neglected to mention he beat his wife in front of his child and doesn't pay his taxes. But I'm sure you would try to spin those things you conveniently forgot to mention.

>>139182594
/thread

minorities are easily controlled; just look at past colonialism, all you have to do is take back control over them from the jews and liberal whites.

>>139181126
You can't get white nationalism without first having civic nationalism. If you really want white nationalism then you will support civic nationalism until we can finally shift it toward white nationalism. If you are actively bashing civic nationalism your end goal is the exact opposite of white nationalism.

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>>139183502
>

>>139183399

You send them back where they are from or they carve a nation state for themselves.

>>139183554
don't wast your time with him mate, atheists always come back to god one way or another.

>>139181395
>Boers are an ethnic group
>Quebeckers are an ethnic group
>Yankees somehow are not

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>>139181277
Can't believe this post is from a leaf, but here we are.

>>139181277
It doesn't fucking matter. If you structure policy correctly you'll get white again. Need low taxes and substantial incentives/disincentives, and good immigration policy. Brown plague is attracted to the gibs like honeybees. Go back to the original libertarian-ish early America. That's only for the white man.

>>139181126
This is why civic nationalism will always win

Stormfag cucks will side with some libtard just because he's a white nigger

>>139181126
the potato niggers comes off as gay

>>139181126
Ethnic
>>139181277
/thread

>>139181277
I never say fpbp, but this is it.

Races don't get along.

>>139182640
more white than the mayor of your capital mate

>>139183503
>That's just ethnic nationalism by way of baby steps, which is what all ethnic nationalists

thats the point. you don't admit it is ethnic nationalism

>>139181126
its not civ vs ethno tho
conner is a libtard
so its civcuck vs libcuck

>>139181126
delete this before you get banned

>>139183686
>Yankees somehow are not

Tell me what ethnicity you are guys are then? Is it 50% italian and 50% German or perhaps 33% celtic 33% nigger and 33% jew? or something else entirely?

>>139183873
Stormcucks would rather side with a white libtard than a black conservative

This is why ethnic nationalism will lose because storm cucks are triggered by skin color

>>139183956

I gladly go down as a martyr. Remember me, my name was Josh

Disgusting mcggaygor chewing gum with an open mouth giving an interview, absolute degenerate.
I hope based negro puncher kills him.

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I legitimately hate civic nationalists more than communists. You civcucks are just Reagan-era 2.0.

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Civic, because only larpers think ethno will ever become reality in a single bound. Civic is a starting point to pull the window to the right and have useful allies in the process. When the window is far enough over, then you the switch to ethno happens. RIGHT WING LONG MARCH WHEN?

>>139181126
Civic nationalism with a heavy focus on helping whites and improving their birthrates.

I don't know why these things have to be mutually exclusive.

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>>139181126

civic nationalism

People should be judged on an individual basis. Lift those who would lift the country up. And put down those who would tarnish it.

>>139181126
He is gonna get hit with the Trump curse isn't he?

>>139183992
New World Whites are largely descended of one primary group along with various other European immigrants who moved to the colonies.

White Americans are on average more British than anything else with some German and Scandi mixed in depending on what part of the country. The result is a divergent culture, not too far from the original Fatherland but distinct nonetheless. You think Boers and Quebeckers are 100% Dutch and French?

>>139183730
The browns can vote too, and are half the country and growing
Every day that "original libertarianism" is dying with the birth of every brown kid

ITT: people who were ethnonationalists two weeks ago but who gave up when the going got tough. CivNat. Is C.O.

>>139181126
Pan-Anglo Socialist Renewalism

>>139184349
You bet

>>139183819
You have to go back.

>>139184444
Quadruple quads confirm Pan-Anglo National Socialist Empire

I propose we snag the Cape and create Rhodesia 2.0

>>139184439

ethno nationalism is a losers game. it's like betting the housing market in 2008, the writing is on the wall.

>>139184639
>just give up on your race goy

>>139184353
>New World Whites are largely descended of one primary group
OKay so which homogenous ethnicity are you guys then
>with various other European immigrants who moved to the colonies.
Nevermind, you guys are all mutts of varying degrees

>White Americans are on average more British than anything else with some German and Scandi mixed in depending on what part of the country.
So what you are saying is you have no homogenous ethnicity as the guy next to you is german with celtic admixture and the guy next to him is a an italian with english admixture and the guy next to him is a guy with nigger and french admixture and the guy next to him is a jew.

>You think Boers and Quebeckers are 100% Dutch and French?
I don't think anything about them as I never made any claims about them nor do I know enough about them to make such claims in the first place. If they however posess a single homogenitive ethnicity that makes up more than 95% of them, even if it's half nigger tribe and half dutch then they have that what you don't.

>>139184639
only in the United States which is already shitskin majority babies
Europe has to remain white or else it's eventually war.

>>139181126
civic nationalism is Americanism
ethno nationalism is just another form of statist socialism

Go live somewhere else socialist.

>>139184639
So what do you propose we do about the hordes of non-White low IQ poor immigrants? Just resign to the elite's agenda and let our culture get swept away in a sea of shit?

It's yellow-bellies like you who make me sick.

>>139182900
Nationalism is for liberals
Globalism is for communist

>>139184815
t. Beaner
Is it too much to ask for Europe to remain european?

>>139184848
Why not let Darwin run its' course.
The meek shall inherit the shit.

>>139184815
Civic nationalism only works if the population agrees to uphold the law. Basically it wont exist if you import people who dont integrate.

>>139184923
Isn't Spain European
Beaners are Spaniards
Spain is in Europe

>>139185075
Agreed.
Locke says the same thing in the Second Treatise on government

>>139181126
We've tried civic nationalism for the past 50 years and it's failing. Ethnic nationalism is our only hope.

>>139182488
>Whites will look out for their own.

All those whitey lefties and cuckservatives are our allies guize! MUH SKIN COLOR

>>139184743
>So what you are saying is you have no homogenous ethnicity
What I'm saying is that there's a shared Colonial British ethnicity that's vastly underplayed and comprises a large chunk of White Americans' ancestry. Most people just identify with whatever immigrant group assimilated last. Non-Colonial Whites are in the minority and will probably have kids with someone who has Colonial ancestry

>>139185062
Because I refuse to let the labors of my forefathers be lost without a fight

>>139184743
>Australian and Canadians are an ethnic group even though they're a mix between English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish
>Americans aren't an ethnic group even though we're a mix between Germanic and Celtic

Civic for government for the sake of assimilation, and refuse anyone who cant assimlate. Ethnic amoung the family to prevent race mixing, I wont weep over some obese trailer trash who is stupid enough to burn coal. In fact it helps, I dont want people that stupid in the white gene pool.

Civic nationalism.

Tons of this shit tonight. Mayweather fight + stormer/stormfront mass immigration?

>>139185329
No we didnt. The country got hijacked by big government and corporate america. People need to come together and take interest in government and less on whats on the tube.
>>139185387
Whites dont look out for their own and i often find better company with enemies of my enemy. I hate white socialists

>>139181126
Ethnic, but I don't know who's to pick as an American.

>>139185723
>ethnic white america
>cleanse native Americans
>cleanse native Hispanics

You do their there are racist minorities as well, right? Maybe you are one yourself.

>>139183706
This, civicucks can not refute this

ethnic

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>>139181126
You can't realistically build a white ethnostate in America without spilling an ocean of blood.
>muh we'll just pay all the nonwhites to leave
And what happens when they fucking refuse that offer? Simple, you open fire. The ethno-nationalist movement, at least in America, would ultimately result in mass killings no matter how hard you try to sugarcoat it.

http://127.0.0.1:43110/0chan.bit/

>>139181729
holy shit, I had no idea of that. Mayweather is awesome.

>>139183512
Why would he have to spin tax evasion? Taxes blow and go to funding jew wars and sjw propaganda centers. Beating his wife in front of his child will need more context before I judge. Cheating on him is a different thing than forgetting to put the milk back in the fridge.

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>>139185985
Unfortunately you assholes are complete idiots. I guarantee you Abdul, no matter how white he is, won't agree with you.

>>139181126

> black trump supporter
> white trump hater

*wipes sweat from forehead in spandex meme costume*

>>139181586
They are talking about Trump, so I think it have to do with it.

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>>139186237
Then enjoy liberal shitskins engulfing you while your race slowly suffocates and dies. Let it be known that the civic cucks were alright with it as long as jamal was wearing a MAGA hat while outbreeding with white women.

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>>139183819
Mate...

>>139184240
I agree with you. Ethno can become possible after the first step but otherwise this nation is way too left and commie atm to go so far.

>>139186546
Why on earth does a person who doesn't give a shit about race have to support infidelity in your pea brain? I like the idea of people loving who they will. If I end up with an asian, mexican, black, indian, white, etc woman I could give a shit less about her skin color as long as she's faithful, kind, and not fat.

>>139181395
>a mongoloid calling anyone else a mutt

delicious irony.

>>139185535
Civic nationalism in the US doesn't have a problem with that. My property, my choice.

>>139181126
>Civic nationalism vs. ethnic nationalism.

>YOU MUST CHOOSE NOW
Yeah no. No one's political beliefs are black or white. Anyone who believes this is a tool. Also Reddit spacing.
Also sage.

>>139186546
>hurr just because I don't want to deport every single nonwhite from the US it means that I want hordes of shitskins to come into my country and rape my wife and daughter
Why is it that you fuckers can only talk in memes and strawmen?

>>139187214
>Reddit spacing

So tired of seeing this dumb complaint. Did it ever occur to faggots like that spacing it that way makes it more readable?

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>>139183992
We're whiter than Finns, is what we are. Feels good to be a "mongrel mutt", kek.
pic related

Well, seeing as McGregor is Irish and not American, then I fail to see how him mocking Trump has anything to do with ethnonationalism. America inventing this whole "white" "race" shit is the most pathetic yet destructive thing you've ever done.

>>139186955
Well if you're a shitskin that makes sense because you want to breed up. If you're a Jew that makes sense because you want everyone else to breed down to maintain your own power. If you're a white, that just means you're a cuckold, I'm not really for gassing the Jews, it's mostly cuckold perverts like you within our own race that we need to gas. Or maybe put into mental institutions if we want to be civil about it.

>>139187148
I agree with that sentiment, let all the Democraps house illegals and third-worlders.

But that isn't the country we live in, sadly. Drastic times call for drastic measures, it's by no accident that upwards of half of American children are non-White

>>139186546
>being so autistic and gay that you can't even imagine a nig without immediately thinking about him fucking a white woman.

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>>139181126

Yeah, the choice is clear...

>>139181126
shitty white people are why we are in the shit spot we are in now, ideas > race, no reason why Europe should be getting fucked right now and yet they still won't fight back

Tyrone McNigger beats Tyrone Maynigger, cap this

>>139187694
Yeah but the Dems were smart and co-opted the term liberal. They are showing their true colors as socialist authoritarians.

Let them turn the big cities into Sweden. We will kill the fuck out them when the try to take our shit.

>>139188165
Spencer needs to take it to Europe. America was always mixed and Europe was always white.

Civic "nationalism" isn't nationalism, it's state worship. Nation, from the Latin natio, refers to the people of an ethnic group. Serbia can have Serb nationalism, America can have Serb nationalism, but there can be no American nationalism because there is no American nation.

>>139188192
Yup weak socialist white europeans are why whites in america are chimping out about losing the race.

>>139188165
Spencer is pretty clearly an accelerationist. He wants to support the most self-defeating policies possible in the hopes that it'll cause a violent uprising against nonwhites disenfranchised whites, when in reality that angry mob will probably just be coming for him instead.

>>139188247
American civic nationalism is different. It is an ideology not a race.

>>139188427
*by disenfranchised whites

>>139181126
Is this even a question? Go be a civnat cuckold on /r/the_donald

Civic nationalism always for some ethnic nationalism in regards to borders and gdp per capita, and it sells way better with voters for obvious reasons.

>>139181126
all i see are dickless grifters that would sell the nation out for their personal benefit at the drop of a hat
i think you posted the wrong image, op

>>139188430
So it's not nationalism, it's state worship.

>>139187587
Not sure why being white and liking beutiful women means I'm a cuckold. Its just as likely that my marriage ends in divorce with white women as with anyone else.

>>139188583
We live in a constitutional republic. Our nations boarders are infinite.

>>139188622
>arguing with a stormfag neet
you should just make fun of them until they drive a dodge charger into a crowd of people and get their entire political movement blacksited

>>139188744
Yes, but there's no American nation.

>>139188805
America does have "borders" For now anyways.

I'm American. I want what is best for my country and no dramatically change things for the sake of inclusion or equality. Just on merit and what works.

>>139188915
>and not

>>139188879
So what?

>>139188583
We live in a republic not a state.

>>139188165
i get all of my eugenics ideas from someone that majored in english literature

>>139188971
You have a government you have a state.

>>139188955
So when are you going to stand up to the globalists? Will your children be fighting against the galactic empire as well?

>>139189106
What the fuck are you on about?

>>139181126
>skin color is more important than ideology and character

Stormcucks unironically believe this.

>>139189213
It's true. Look at how Liberia is going.

>>139189158
America owns this planet all thanks to free market capitalism. We exported it world wide and despite being only 5% of the total world population the consumer lifestyle here is the norm. People say its jews but its really a judo-christian alliance.

>>139189334
No, it's that the Jews who own your country own the banks. If you think Jews are on your side you'll soo n find our why you're wrong.

>>139189213
sorry i can't trust anyone that uses cuck over fag on this website
you must be 18+ to post here

>>139189081
So a corporation is a state??
or a bank?
They have governments.

>>139189412
Probably but ill be dead before any real effects take place.

>>139188755
Checked, too bad they're not Muslims driving into crowds instead, anti-trump people would quit chimping out.

>>139187349
Readable for you illiterate faggots over at /bant maybe.

>>139189498
They have governance, not governments.

>>139181277
>ethnic nationalism

lol dumb fucks. ethnic nationalism means accepting sjws who will just open the borders again

>>139184631
Yesh! RISE O VOICES OF RHODESIA

>>139189940
Oddly only a byproduct of white nations.

>>139189940
Other way around retard
Civic nationalism is obeying MUH CONSTITUTION
Ethnic nationalism means maintaining the ethnic demographics in place and not allowing in immigration
That also entails not being democratic so marxist agitators can't force change

>>139185175
>beaners
>Spaniards
Kek, /pol/ surprises me every day with its stupidity.
Beaners are native north Americans , not Spaniards. Completely different bloodline, beaners originally came from Asia through modern day Alaska
If you think speaking Spanish makes you European, does that make niggers European because they speak English? No, language has nothing to do with race.

>>139181126
Civic nationalism but combined with stringent standards, ongoing standards for citizenship.
You shouldn't be assured citizenship (in adulthood) just because your parents were citizens.

>>139190093
How many times was your stalinism tried and failed? People dont like being oppressed even by their own race.

>>139190255
Stalin is thought of fondly far more than Hitler and I doubt you vilify Hitler

>>139181126
Ethnonationalism is nationalism. Civic nationalism is a contradiction, just call it classic liberalism or something else.

>>139190093
>Ethnic nationalism means maintaining the ethnic demographics in place and not allowing in immigration
>That also entails not being democratic so marxist agitators can't force change

neither of which mean ethnic nationalism

>>139190592
Ethnic nationalism leads to monarch. Why the heck do you think america revolted? Taxes and authoritarian ship by their own race.
>>139190508
It doesnt work bub.

>>139190592
>being this retarded

acting like a nigger is worse than just being one

>>139190732
>Why the heck do you think america revolted?
Actually, the Jews led that revolution.

>>139191013
Naw it was the masons who are a sub sect of the Vatican who are working for the jews aka the devil. Still ethnic nationalism does not work. What a crazy world we live in thank god i get to die.

>>139190664
By maintaining ethnic demographic i mean the native one
And you can't really be democratic and ethno-nationalist

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i didnt have the guts to bet all 12 rounds

>>139182640
Stop trying to divide and conquer. European=white. Therefore Irish=white

THAT SETTLES IT. FUCKING SUBHUMAN ROLE PLAYERS GTFO NOW

>>139181126

Civic Nationalism, though I tend to stay away from nationalists all together.

>>139181126
You literally cannot surpass the Trump curse, its the final boss battle.

>>139181126
Ethnic nationalism, no question.

Civic nationalism is just Soft Globalism

All this potato nigger had to do was not publicly shit on Trump like everyone else. Instead he did just that and received the full force of the Trump curse vs Mayweather who supported Trump.

>>139181126
>>139181321

TRUMPED

Ethnic nationalism for European countries is beyond question, civic nationalism can work fine for countries like America

>>139183143
Who defines a Just Rule?

/ourguy/ wins again. Never forget that Irish isn't white

>>139181126
THE CURSE IS REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>139181126
Ethnic Nationalism

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DON'T FUCK WITH TRUMP

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>>139181126
pic related

Ethnic nationalism already died out. It was slowly becoming a thing. But now you guys are being framed as nazi larpers. How can you ever recover?

>>139181277
Noice. Ethnic nationalism is gods will.

Civic nationalism/multicult is the tool of globalist pedophiles.

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Still waiting for Mcgregor to go up against /ourguy/

civic nationalism in America because we have a complicated history with race. HOWEVER, however, it would be divided out into designated areas essentially like pacific northwest (No.Cal included) for white liberals, sell Mexico back So. Cal., the Indians get the state of Nevada, the south (including Texas just so we're clear) for white conservatives, the state of New York for the Jews, southeastern America for the blacks, and so on.

I am pro ethnic nationalism in other places though. Kick the brown skins out of Europe, kick the whites out of Africa, etc.

Rather than worrying about trying to convince cucked white liberals and conservacucks about the positives of ethnic nationalism we need to sell it to the other races. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. One pitch I've been thinking about using although it needs to be fine tuned quite a bit is: "Imagine all of Africa or a section of the United States belongs to you and your people. Imagine not having to be under the thumb of the white man & his rules which are made to give advantage to himself and his fellow white man. Imagine that the laws you are asked to follow are ones thought up by your own. Imagine never having to fear a white cop again because, they are no white cops around where you live. All this and more can be yours with ethnic nationalism!"

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>>139181277
In a hurry anon?

>>139183512
>puts his wife in her place
>avoids paying illegal taxes
Mayweather is based af.

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Civic nationalism is a meme - where in history has this post-modernist concept functioned long term?

You have all been conditioned/brainwashed from birth to buy into false narratives. Go check the Wikipedia page for Civic Nationalism - the concept is a joke. Ethnic Nationalism is truth, it is literally the status quo foundation of European Civilization that has only forcefully been changed in the last 60 years - a single human lifespan. The US founding fathers intended America to be for European descendants, which was the case until a Jew had a bill pushed through to change it. Every race/group has naturally forming hierarchies - each groups hierarchy will forever be preferencing its in-group and vying for dominance - this is the nature of the world, it is perfectly normal and you cannot escape it just because you suddenly decide 'we progressive now'.

Under the Civic Nationalism model you are basically saying that a nation is nothing but its territory, resources, infrastructure and laws - the people are an irrelevant interchangeable component. Our ancestors would laugh in your face if you tried to convince them of this. This is the cuckservative position because they cannot bring themselves to face the reality and what it means for the future - decline/conflict or segregation - there is no 3rd path, look to history for your answers.

>>139195417
>we need to sell it to the other races.

In addition and similar to this I also believe we need to publicly show our support of civic nationalist in other places. Give our moral support to the Mexican nationalists in Mexico, swallow our pride and give moral support to keeping Israel Jewish, give moral support to Japanese nationalist movements, etc.

Stop letting (((them))) make white nationalism out to be white supremacy.

>>139195850
>civic
i meant to say ethnic

sorry

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Europe, U.N. words

>>139181395
I'm fine with civic nationalism with segregation. But, without welfare. Communities tend to self segregate along race/ethnicity/class anyway.

>>139196200
So pretty much ethnonstionsliam

>>139183399

Reminder that letting (((Christcucks))) dictate national policy leads to moral and spiritual decline

>>139181126
An American beat the fucking shit out of a European, so I am content

>>139184106

well get used to it cuck. We run the show now.

>>139183554
Not an atheist, but god is not your lord and doesn't give a shit about you.

>>139189940
Id rather live with white liberals, than with conservative niggers

>>139196735

For 4 - 8 more years, until the norms realize you havent fixed anything, swing back to the left again, and vote in the next Stalin or something out of frustration*

>>139181126
I choose: dead shitskins

>>139196898
said no one ever

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>>139181126
Fuck Trump, though. Almost all his family is Jewish, he is a globalist and a conman. Hopefully he gets impeached.

Civic Nationalism, once the border is closed, all forms of socialism (welfare programs, affirmative action and taxation for use as bullshit studies and whatnot performed by colleges across the country including "why obesity affects the lesbian population more")

>>139181126
Civic. Ethnic nationalism fragments a nation and makes it weak.

>>139181126
ETHNO KEKS BTFO

>>139196305
Not necessarily. I believe in freedom of association. It's hard to argue that nog culture is different from white culture is different from spic culture. As long as we think and act different, there will be a lot of self segregation. Let it happen naturally, and throw race baiters out of helicopters.

>>139197294
The problem with civic nationalism is that you will still have successful minorities that end up polluting your gene pool

>>139182900
>globalism
>on a flat plane

Ethnic nationalists: REEEEEEE I NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO BAN SHITSKINS BECAUSE STACY KEEPS TAKING THE BBC INSTEAD OF DATING ME *autistic screeching*

Civic Nationalists: I have overcome my primitive tribalistic tendencies based solely on a person's skin and instead focus inwards into what truly matters. If you are willing to stand up for me, I will stand up for you.

>>139181277
>civic nationalism
Anyone who supports this ideology isn't really a nationalist.

>>139186976
>falling for the Finns are not white meme

>>139181126
Civic of course

On the left we have civic nationalists who keep winning

On the right we have a fucking loser

The choice is easy if you want to win

>>139181126

>chinese killer robots overrunning the earth

seriously we don't make anything in the USA. like nothing.

If everyone has to pay for themselves and you accept whites have higher IQ whites will win in the end. Free gibs needs to end

>>139197612
Too bad shitskins will overwhelmingly never stand up for you.

>>139197978
Why should we exclude the ones who do stand up for us, though?

>>139197777
drink bleach traitor
civic is doomed to failure with half the population blacked

>>139197458
No, if affirmative action and other programs like that (I mentioned in my post) were done away with than CIVIC Nationalism would work just fine and the actual best and brightest of the country would be celebrated regardless of race as opposed to now when people of minority groups succeed they are chalked up as an affirmative action receiving fraud who is simply where he is today based only on race. Success in a fair and unrigged system would truly show who the smartest people are regardless of which race they belong to (and I'm not talking about people like the transniggers *dolezal, king* and the transindians *pocohontas warren* ) I'm talking about legitimate race

>>139198116
>Why should we exclude the ones who do stand up for us, though?
why should we make a big deal about the 1/10000 niggers who do

>>139181126
someone add conor to the trump curse pic

>>139181126
>America falling apart
>every year it gets worse
>monopolization of industry getting worse
>c-c-civic nationalism is s-saving us!

>>139197978

Well yeah because they stand up for someone that isn't their skin color and they have stupid fucks calling them uncle toms and other dumb fucks like you calling them niggers and shitskins.I'd lose intrest in defending white people against blanket racism if it's met with shit from both sides. How about we don't meet them with racism and help them defend white people and make them honorary Aryans like Hitler did with Finns, some Jews, Arabs, and Japs?

>>139198266
What are we gonna tell them? That they're not allowed to support us? Or that we'll kick them out even if they do support us? What kind of meritocracy is that?

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>>139198232
this will never work and never happen
because the darker you are the less likely you are to be successful. Blacks are incapable of facing up to the truth that their race is simply at least intellectually inferior.


just give up on them
its been 150 fucking years
its time to stop. every time you give them a second fucking chance things get worse
no more second chances

>>139198198
Keep losing cuck

Your great white race wants to see you in chains

>>139198307
That's because don't fucking have civic nationalism. The establishment is globalist and has been for years.

>>139198396
youre logic is just fucking retarded
>OH MY LOOK THIS ONE NIGGER ISNT ENTIRELY SHITTY LETS JUST KEEP THE OTHER 50 MILLION I MEAN COME ON LOOK HOW COOL THIS ONE IS
>What kind of meritocracy is that?
hey cunt
sorry to break it to your delusional ass but there is no meritocracy, never has been, and never will be. I am only concerned with how to make my society less shitty

>>139198501
globalism = civic nationalism retard.

>we are one big happy earth people!

>>139198434
>Keep losing cuck
how am I losing
civic nationalism is the one losing you fucking moron, if anything minority attitudes are whats making it untenable

>>139198427
So let people stay based on merit. You'll have very few blacks left that way, but the ones who do remain will be intelligent Ben Carson types. I don't know how you can't get this through your head.

>>139198612
>LETS JUST KEEP THE OTHER 50 MILLION
When the fuck did I ever say that?

Civic nationalists should open a fucking history book and learn what happened to e.g. the late Roman empire.

Also, behavior is largely genetic, in the long term you can't just 'make' other groups believe the same thing you do.

This fight just PROVED civic nationalism is better than ethno nationalism

Ethno nationalists will back a weak libtard cuck as long as hes white, civic nationalists will back a conservative black man and win.

>>139181126
Civic in America, ethnic in Europe.

>>139197777
Checked.

>>139198694
>So let people stay based on merit.
I honestly wouldnt care if this meant leaving the top .001% of blacks.

But I think that plan is even more imaginary than mine is. Ultimately virtually every black's allegiance lies with his own race, and would viciously oppose even removing the lowest and least desirable tiers.

Its just not going to happen.

>>139198651
You're under the false impression that I don't think America needs to maintain a white majority. I strongly agree with that notion. I just don't think it's necessary to deport every single shitskin or kill them in some kind of literal MSM-tier genocide.

>>139198307
>america is civic nationalist

>>139198886
>Civic in America, ethnic in Europe.
despite america being something like 90% white only 100 years ago

>>139198785

Ethno-nationalists will only back a conservative white man, Ive never met an ethnonationalist who would tolerate a traitor.

Civic nationalists will back a "based black man XDXDXD" whose children will grow up to become your average street nigger due to regression to the mean, and ruin the country

>>139198785
>Ethno nationalists will back a weak libtard cuck as long as hes white
why the fuck would I do something like that

>>139198738

Wrong. Behavior is cultural. It's why scandis are autistic introverts but scandis who grow up here will be more extraverted

>>139198427
I totally agree with racism as a meme and think it's hilarious due to the reaction it gets from the populace which is deathly afraid of being labeled a racist, but when it comes down it, even though the overwhelming majority of shitskins support the democrats for the gibs, the smart ones who have taken any time to study the effects of democratic policy on minority groups then they know the truth, are fully red-pilled and actually advance the cause for the truth and conservative ideals to the greater populace better than just some other "white guy" does... It's GIBS AND GIBS CULTURE destroying America, not the people who are simply taking advantage of an option that is offered to them... The ideas that pervade these subcultures in America which are largely minorities, is the true evil, and these socialist policies are what divides America NOT the people who feel they are benefitting from a system designed to hurt them and force them to vote a certain way

>>139199170
>whose children will grow up to become your average street nigger
Nurture plays a part in that too, if they raise their kids right they'll probably be fine. And realistically it would take several generations to fully regress back to the mean. You're talking about throwing someone under the bus for something their great-great grandkids MIGHT do.

>>139198997
That's Hollywood tier thinking. I'm an ethno-nationalist but that doesn't mean I am for a genocide of non-white people.

The basis for ethnic nationalism is understanding that society, like any functioning organic body, is best when it is reduced to simpler and more direct forms. Therefore, a homogeneous society is naturally going to be more in harmony than a multiracial one due to very basic facts of existence.

I'm exhausted but really this is very simple to me. I have no intention of rounding up non-whites and killing them. I think, given the political power, I would set up a seperate government for, say, blacks and integrate them back over to Africa in their own ethno-state.

>>139199170
Then why didn't you vote for Jeb? Trump isn't conservative

>>139199461
It always makes me laugh that these types seem to think that only blacks can be welfare kings/queens, I mean just look at Boogie2988. And it boggles my mind even further that some ethnonationalists want to KEEP the fucking welfare state once they kick out all the nonwhites.

>>139199647
Boogie was a single childless male while he was on welfare, his cost compared to a single mother was like 1%...

That aside he's making 200k/yr+ now, he's paying more in taxes than enough to make up for it.

neither

>>139199518

Yeah you're right. That's why ethno nationalism is utopia.

Scientifically we're at our peak at around 250-350 members in a community. This makes it so that it's small enough to make climbing up the social hierarchy possible and big enough to make it worthwhile.

But le current year and an internet connected global society has ruined this so we must adapt

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>>139181126

National Socialism, but Civic Nationalism is a great Trojan Horse for NatSocs to talk to normies.

>>139199471

>throwing someone under the bus

thats a funny way of saying 'let the poor nigger live among his own people instead of being forced to integrate with whitey'. Have you, in your cucked little pea-brain, ever stopped and considered that maybe these people don't WANT your culture, or that they might be better off living in the plains of Africa with a lifestyle and climate theyre naturally selected for? You civic Zionists and your insistence on creating some multiracial abomination where nobody is happy or allowed to develop their own nations or cultures organically, disgusts me. And your whimpering "b-but itll take several g-generations to regress to the m-mean!" means nothing to me either, because I'm actually talking about building a society which could be sustained for centuries or millennia, scales of time which have probably never even occured to a short-sighted civic cuck like yourself.

>>139199518
I don't think most blacks would willingly get on the boat back to Africa, especially if their families have lived here for generations. They'll undoubtedly resist. I guess Malcolm X had the right idea, but trying to make a white ethnostate out of America at this stage in history would more than likely require bloodshed.

>>139200180

If they don't want our culture then they shouldn't come here. I'd say the same to some autistic Marxist German

>>139200281
Yeah I mean it's inevitable one way or the other. there will be another civil war in some form and people are going to die. there's just no other way around it i guess.

>>139199647
It pervades black culture to the highest degree but if you inspect it on face value the actual laws and ideas behind them will ALWAYS create a subculture of GIB ME's regardless of race, there would simply be a culture of "white trash"/"trailer trash" people using the programs and bilking the taxpayers then we would have an Arguement on here if "insert name of white people subculture of using gibs we invented" are "ACTUALLY WHITE?" As opposed to attacking the problem which is the fucking system which is set up to indiscriminately CAUSE this subculture to exist and strictly vote democrat to keep the status quo in effect,,, There is no "race war" it's a culture war of "cultural Marxism" (which will eventually grow to a rate unsustainable by the people the government robs to support them) VS "individualist culture" (which the entire founding of our nation is based upon) the 1965 immigration acts and welfare acts are the single worst thing that has happened to America (worse than all wars) due to its sustained attack on the basis of our ideals from within, these socialist policies will be the downfall of America, NOT minorities and white nationalists, the divide in this country is between people who think it's OK to rob you to support the life of a democratic voter and the people who believe in the IDEA of America, its founding beliefs AND the success of the individual based on his own free will to survive and be free to think/act as they please...

>>139200180
Read my previous posts. I actually want a white majority in America and understand why it's necessary, and furthermore I strongly oppose multiculturalism. But I also don't think it's necessary to kick out the few nonwhites who actually do adopt our culture and have a historical legacy here.

Anyone else notice that Reddit (i.e. the "Civic Nationalists") never talk about what type of society is most stable, or natural, or harmonious? Instead they do one of two things: they either claim out of ignorance that Civic nationalism is somehow the morally superior option (usually because thryre so inculcated in Leftist values like pacifism or blank-slate egalitarianism that theyve never even considered other systems of morality before), or they claim that civic nationalism is "better for optics" (i.e. it's closer to the status quo), ignoring that a society's culture can readily change when the underlying conditions change.

I think these people really dont have a grasp on the underlying issues and their severity, they may just be low-information bandwagoners who found /pol/ during the Trump campaign.

>>139200376
But it'll probably be a war between commies and right-wingers, not a fucking race war. Once BLM dropped off the map and Antifa took their place racial tensions in America seemed to simmer down a bit.

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>>139181126
Floyd doesn't pay his taxes, he beats his wife, and he also uses the race card. Typical nigger.

>>139181729
>beats wife
>doesn't pay income tax (which is theft btw)

Those things only elevate /ourguy/ status

>>139200669
Read some of my posts in this thread I think you'll agree with them, i also explain the source for these feelings of racial hatred from both sides by showing that it's literally the socialist laws that have been enacted causing this problem and not the people of any racial group, if we simply kicked out all the shitskins and didn't change our socialist policies with regards to GIBS then a white subculture would simply emerge in their place and all vote to keep the laws the way they are, then there would just be another "race war" against these "white subhumans" who were just created because what we really are fighting is Socialism invading our Constitutional Republic not any specific race of people

>>139200840
Yeah I am continuously amazed at how many civic nats are on /pol/ that seem to think they are informed.

>>139182900
Nationalism is a safe space on a larger scale.

>>139200840
>other systems of morality
>Dude let's go out and kill random niggers in the street that'll totally help our cause haha
I'm really starting to notice how just about everyone with a Nazi flag seems to be a hardcore LARPer. The race war hasn't started yet, and if we can reverse America's demographic problems without inciting one then I think that's what we should pursue.

>>139181126
I dislike Potato and Floyd, but Civic.

Every ethnic nationalist is forgetting that the white race is full of weak links. No matter what side you are on politically, there are always going to be a subset of people that will destroy their own identity and culture happily. They are going to oppose ideas and behave shiftily. Civic addresses this and eliminates this weak link.

>>139188165
Gosh if this dude isn't a CIA disinformation agent for the right then idk who is

>siding with an antifa-friendly leftist multiculti potatonigger over someone that defended whites when BLM was at its strongest

>>139201189
So's your house. The idea of a space-space being something unwanted is intellectually, paricularly in academia. It doesn't mean turn your neighbourhood into a non-safe-space i.e a warzone.

>>139200496

East Asians are more successful and more law abiding than white Americans and use the welfare system less. Do you want America to have an ethnic Asian majority?

>>139181126

Always civic nationalism.

>>139201383
By doing what?

>>139201383
This is basically Styx's argument against ethno-nationalism, the other being that it's stupidly easy to subvert and tear apart. You can get white nationalists to tear at each other's throats over the simplest issues, the most easy being who's white and who's not.
>Meds aren't white
>Slavs aren't white
>Italians aren't white
>Spanish aren't white
>You need [X]% of white DNA to be considered white
It's all so subjective and yet it somehow forms the basis of their entire cause.

>>139200840
These "underlying issues" and every single problem anyone has with minority groups all stem from the socialist policies which support them to live such a lifestyle. Look at Black families prior to the GIBS and even prior to desegregation, they are literally on par with the white family statistics of today... Our country is being destroyed and our minority groups are being destroyed by cultural Marxism infecting our government and laws NOT the people in these groups by genetics, the democrats only have any power in this country due to a huge base of people who simply vote for them hoping they will come out with new ways to rob the American worker and redistribute it among them and other likeminded people who "benefit" from these programs. If "benefitting" is living in a drug infested sewer where no1 works and no1 is educated then they sure as hell are benefitting. Their only responsibility in life is to go to voter booth and pull democrat, that is their use to the government and country as a whole so that it can steer towards communism slowly but surely

>>139181126
I choose Civic Globalism, it is the true red pill

>>139201696
You seem to be missing something. British, for example, is an ethnicity. "white", is not. They're related, but not the same and the distinction is important when talking about ethnic nationalism. It means, for example, British nationalism, not white nationalism.

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>>139181126
how about nien

>>139201285

You need to wake up to the reality that, regardless of what anyone does at this juncture, America is going to collapse and balkanize and millions of people will die. This is just a natural consequence of global population overshoot coupled with the unwinding of the industrial age due to resource depletion. If you wanted to avoid death, it's too late for that. That's just the reality of the situation we're faced with.

Perhaps this is the piece of the puzzle you're still missing. In conditions of strong economic growth, groups of people with radically different biological and cultural makeups can still sort of coexist in the same geographical area without being directly at each others' throats. Those times are coming to a close, and they will not return in the lifetimes of anyone alive today. You should look into what historically happens to ethnically diverse regions during times of economic stress, it's not pretty.

Times are not always good. Over the long term, if you want to have a nation which can survive under economic conditions less affluent than, say, those of late 20th-early 21st century America, ethnic homogeneity is a must, otherwise you DO end up with ethnic genocides, either way.

>>139194068
Ayy Lmaos

>>139181277
FPBP

>>139201696

Italians are Italian, Poles are Polish, Spaniards are Spanish, and Irish are Irish. They should all have their own nations, holy shit is this really that difficult for you people to understand?

>>139201656
Civic nationalism creates a uniformity and brotherhood by performing non "nigger" actions. There is a filtering out of cucks who hate who they are and is a more merit based judgment. The people who deserve respect will earn that respect.

I think the strongest argument against this thread is how once a majority opinion is made divisions of thought is most likely to occur. This criticism will be mitigated if a common enemy exists and lets be honest, that common enemy will always exist.

>>139201620
Easy for you to say.
German 65%
French 18%
Italian 10%
Romansh 1%
Other 6%

>>139202229
How does that work in America's context though? Aren't American whites just Euromutts?

>>139181277
/thread

>>139202404
And this is enforced how (and make no mistake, it will need inforced)? There's nothing there that I can see to stop people from "behaving shifitily and opposing ideas".

>>139202451
States, I imagine.

>>139181277
I'm with the one who fucks bitches.

>>139202451

America as it exists today is a non-workable country and nothing can save it now.

In this context, what will likely happen is balkanization and localliztion into at least a few dozen smaller states along rough ethno-geographic lines.

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Civic. I know I know "Diversity+Proximity= War" but that wouldn't be such an issue without Liberal white marxists instigating the fuck out of non-white communities. Even Malcolm X knew that much.

>>139202619
That's not the point though. Most white Americans' ancestry probably looks like something along the lines of >>139202424

>>139201606
Why would it matter as long as the ideals which you live by enforced, if you are free to do as you please and associate with who you want and work where you want and everyone has the same chance for success and YOU CAN LIVE YOUR LIFE however you want without being taxed to subsidize democrat voters lifestyle of not working then it shouldn't matter how many or what nationality of people live around you... The IDEALS are what create America, the LAWS are what dictate what you can and cannot do not the way your neighbors look, you can breed however deem fit and make beautiful white babies "East Asians" are successful here in America due to their cultural values and work ethic aligning with what the ideal American would be, not because they are inherently genetically better, their IQ's are higher due to being raised in a way which learning is celebrated and success is fetishized and failure is unacceptable, this used to be the American Dream before the democrats introduced socialist policies creating these subcultures which happen to be a majority of minority groups as members, you simply use different genetics to explain everything BUT that does nothing and attacking the CAUSE for all of this is important and it is the socialist policies and GIBS programs

>>139182900
i'll only accept globalism if ayy lamaos comes along

>>139181126
I'll take the one without the fags wielding tiki torches.

>>139183399
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn

>>139202517
The same way that a consensus is made in recognition about certain figures. A foundation in the ideology will be around doing your civic duty in a certain way.

If you want to question me further and ask how this enforcement will be possible than just look at the Republican Vs Democrat debate. If you point at one side and list the pillars of their ideas than you see that you can make people agree on things by making them hate the other side's options more.

>>139202747

The liberal white marxists exist because of the Jews.

What is (((Civic Nationalism)))'s answer to the Jewish question? Let "based Jews" continue to live in your nations (because, you know, Jews never lie, right)?

If so, you'll be dealing with those marxist agitators until the day they finally manage to bring down your country.

>>139181126
well if that potato nigger was a trump hater, fuck him. i'm with based black guy.

You Larping Larrys hurt your own goals just by showing up. When nazis and white supremacists talk about how much they love stopping immigration suddenly anyone who wants it for non racist rrasons is easier shut down.

>>139202834
Yeah, but that's not the point. You can say shit along the lines of "yeah well at some point we were single celled organisms, and we mixed with neanderthals" etc etc until everyong offs themselves from hearing you drone on.

The point is what works, and what works in this context is what people are comfortable with. It's not entirely logical at the face of it, but neither are we and it is humans we are dealing with.

>>139182900
you say this while living in the comfort of your upper middleclass home and surrounded by other like minded whites. You wouldn't saying this when muslims replace everything in your life.

>>139182900
move to an islamic ghetto, you stupid donkey nigger and see how long you last.

Civcucks need to explain why there is no historical frame of reference to fall back on and thus explain why it will work this time even if we did manage get rid of the marxists.

>>139203013
You're going to do a McCarthy, aren't you. A "commie" round every corner...

Well, I suppose it does work after a fashion. None of you feel more american than when there's a Them.

>>139203012

>God will take care of everything someday, so I can ignore the consequences of my shitty decisions right now!

This is one of the reasons why I don't like religious systems with a linear conception of time, it encourages a kind of fatalism that mentally divorces people from the effects of their own behavior (because everything will turn out exactly as prophesied no matter what I do, amirite?) There are certain sects of anti-environmentalists who use the same justification to continue destroying the environment without any regard for the long-term effects of doing so for future generations, too. It's a pretty fucked-up way of viewing things.

>>139203282
shut the fuck up you irrelevant islamic tea sipper faggot. we hate commies, and will until the end of time. get gassed.

>>139203034
Duuuuuuuuude... Fuck the Jews, forget about them for a minute. That kind of shit took root long before the damn jews. Abolitionism itself is rooted in Christianity.

>>139203327
>The point
>
>
>
>Your head

RIP white people
RIP trump
Long live the United States of African Americans

>>139181126
As an American, Ethnic nationalism is kind of retarded unless we are redefining ethnicity. I've always been a civic nationalist but I don't think ethno nationalist states should be destroyed unless they are literally firing up the ovens.

>>139203282
No, you don't have to unite people against your own countrymen like McCarthy. There are idiots in other places destroying their own countries and there probably always will be. Just create unity by rallying around those failures and enforce brotherhood in your actions. McCarthyism would be the stupid to use for that brand of Civic Nationalism.

>>139203337

Marxism was invented and propagated entirely by the Jews you colossal retard. And you do know that Jews were involved in both the slave trade and the abolitionist movements, right?

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>>139203282

Look up the Mitrokhin archives, Venona papers, and Vassiliev's notebooks. McCarthy was right about 95% of his accusations and he was trying to prevent the kind of stuff we're seeing to day.

https://www.academia.org/self-identifying-marxist-professors-outnumber-conservatives-as-college-professors/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/10/24/survey-finds-professors-already-liberal-have-moved-further-left

>>139201696
>This is basically Styx's argument against ethno-nationalism, the other being that it's stupidly easy to subvert and tear apart. You can get white nationalists to tear at each other's throats over the simplest issues

Do you pay attention to politics? This happens with literally every ideology. The Republican party is tearing itself apart because Trump said antifa is violent.

>subjective

The average white American is 99% European. This isn't that difficult.

>>139203519
Smacks of Idealism to me, but good luck I guess. I suppose when you need your Stalin when said idealism fails to live up to the hype a McCarthy is better than an actual Stalin.

>>139203552
Capitalism was invented and propagated entirely by the Jews.

>>139203717
I know, but irrelevant to my point.

>>139187583
shut the fuck up if they realize this we wont have the power anymore. Im cozy in canada but i will come down there and fucking silence you.

>>139203737

I haven't seen evidence for it, but I wouldn't be too surprised tbqh. It's a fundamentally materialist ideology, too, which views people as fungible units of labor and whose sole purpose appears to be the acquisition of capital. The incentives produced by that system also lead to undesirable outcomes: mass-immigration due to labor cost arbitrage, environmental destruction due to not factoring in externalities, and so on. So it wouldn't surprise me.

>>139181126
It's not ethnic nationalism if a fucking mick is your rep lmao. Irishmen are niggers.

>>139203730
It's funny you say that because to me because ethnic nationalism sounds like it has way too many problems to even be attempted in America.

Brotherhood and a clear opposition is what is needed to unite people. Skin color is something that is too superficial to ever unite people. I am guessing that you think that culture is brought about by skin color?

>>139204053
Sure it has issues, but we don't pretend otherwise and we are trying to work our way through them. You on the other hand walk over, point at those issues and then say "Hah! Idiots. What you need is my perfect system! It has chocolate shitting unicorns and rains beer".

>>139204248
forgot to finish that:

This is why I at least, and I suspect many others, don;t trust you as far as we could throw you. We've heard the same kind of shit before.

>>139204053

Race has little to do with skin color you closet marxist.

It has to do with very deeply ingrained genetic differences resulting from tens of thousands of years of natural selection of various groups of people living in completely different environments, who each had to adapt to these environments in their own ways. These differences result in significant differences in physiology, intelligence, disposition toward certain cultural ideas, and so on.

If you had lurked on /pol/ for even a few months before you started autistically frothing at the mouth with the stupid talking points you learned on r/The_Donald or whatever, you would already understand this.

>>139203221
Civic nationalism works. It got us through many wars. It's a form of pride that everyone can have knowing that your neighbor has your best interest at heart, and your home the nation you reside in is protected by these united individuals. That's how America was for many centuries. Color is only a matter meant to be kept in private, and the moment you treat it like it's the hottest shit since plumbing you start creating divides. People feel betrayed by the other and not know why. As generations pass this down it becomes the norm and people will start to believe the lies that they were told. Ethnic nationalism is just another form of globalization, because it brings in foreign ideas to a community that it doesn't apply to. You say it's your right to protect your identity and it is, but if the identity of yourself only extends to your skin then you're no better than a puppet. You're trying to destabilize your home because someone on the other side of the world told you. They will never see you, they will never acknowledge you, and they don't care what you did as long as you acted as you were suppose to. So why do you allow it to influence you?

>>139204248
If you can start a cultural movement than it sounds alot less fantastical than everyone is white so we are going to get along. I'm not saying ethnic nationalism is perfect, but it is something that can be defended unlike ethnic nationalism that breaks apart after a few criticisms.

>>139185985
No it's not

Put the father in the picture and you're on to something

>>139204511
>Everyone is white so we are going to get along
The goal is minimising conflict using the fact that people in general get along better with those that they can directly relate to. Only the supremely naive believe you can eliminate it.

>>139204504

America was a de-facto ethnonationalist state up through the Civil Rights era of the 1960s. Why the fuck do you think we had immigration quotas based on ethnicity, and explicitly racist laws? Also, the vote was originally only given to landowning white males.

In reality, post-1960s America is actually closer to the civic nationalism you people keep jizzing over, and in my view it has not worked out well.

>>139204624
>The only way to get along with people is to have the same skin color or ethnicity.

You get along better when you agree on the same things that they do. It is also natural to assume conflict in any solution so I'm not saying that civic nationalism is going to achieve its objectives in all cases.

>>139204971
>You get along better when you agree on the same things that they do
Not necessarily. You can disagree with someone, even on a lot of things, but still get along with them well. It depends on you sharing a cultural framework for your disagreement, and that framework is almost always drawn along racial/ethnic lines. In essence "black logic" and "white logic" are different, but equally "the way things should be" to each.

>>139204707
I'm not saying racial tension didn't exist, but that wasn't always the case and you know it. Tension only built up because enough people on both sides were told they were superior and are causing the hysteria in the current state of the nation. Ethnic nationalism is still a problem and always will be. You saying that it was a minor part in the development of our nation is like saying Communist are people too.

>>139183706
>Liberals:Race matters more than ideology
>National Socialists:Race matters more than ideology

>>139189940

If you get rid of the jews the liberals tend to calm themselves.

>>139205304
That because the different ethnics share different values and cultures that put them at odds against the other. If you can get a black kid and a white kid to first and foremost care about God then they can become the best of friends by discussing their shared values and faith.
>>139204315
Ethnic nationalists traditionally address issues in terms of skin color so I don't think its a stretch to assume that is the main criteria for the Ethnostate in America. If you say that it isn't than you would be contradicting what /pol/ advocates the majority of the time.

>>139205665
>That because the different ethnics share different values and cultures that put them at odds against the other.

Yup. And it is at least partially innate. A result of different brain wirings.

>>139183778
>/thread/thread
Error

>>139205493
Civic nationalism has NEVER worked, it is a post-modernist concept, it is failing in front of your eyes right now. A mix of European descendants with a large base of Germans as America was, is not your civic nationalism utopia. Your perspective is so narrow, the changes to US immigration post 1965 are basically yesterday in terms of history. European Civilizations without Europeans a majority backbone WILL fail. America will decline, fail and split up unless some significant white-nationalist orientated policy is implemented immediately, probably too late. This will become more apparent over your lifetime if you are young.

>>139206336
Who says I ever cared about Europe. The implications of the new immigration law will only benefit us. We take your betters to improve our own it is how it's meant to be. Europe can burn, and it is. Doom Paul us all you want but you can't deny that the EU tried to do what America did and failed.

>>139181277
fpbp